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Welcome back to another episode of the Root

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of the Matter . I am your host , dr Rachel

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Carver , and today we have Dr

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Elizabeth Boham with us . She is the

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director of the Ultra Wellness Center in

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Lenox , massachusetts , and I'm

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very pleased to have her come on and talk

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to us a little bit about functional medicine

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. What is the difference between functional

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medicine , traditional medicine and

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how we really can try to

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get at the root right If we're always looking

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for the cause of disease ? And

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Dr Bohim , welcome , thank you . Maybe tell

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us first your story and how you went

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from traditional medical practice

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into something a little more specialized ?

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Thank you , dr Carver . It's really great to

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be with you and all your listeners . It's so

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fun to be having this conversation

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today and getting to the root of the matter

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. I love it . So I

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am board certified in family

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medicine and I am FMCP

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so that's IFM certified and

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I practice functional medicine at the Ultra

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Wellness Center in Lenox , massachusetts . And

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I've been practicing functional medicine for

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, oh goodness , like 20 years or

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so . But I

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was always interested in nutrition

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. My undergraduate and graduate degree

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was in nutrition and exercise physiology

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, so I was always interested in prevention

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and wellness . And then I decided

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to go to medical school , and medical

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school was a little tough for me because I

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really had no idea what I was getting into

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. Everybody in my family are PhDs

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or I didn't have any physicians

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in my family , and so I

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was like , oh , I just want to learn more about how the body

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works . And so when I got into

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medical school , I'm like , oh , this is not what I was

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thinking I was getting into . And it was

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because I was all interested in prevention

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and wellness and everything . And and

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then I'm spending nights in the ICU and

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doing acute care medicine and which is also

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very important but it was taking me away

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from where my passion was . I

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ended up , though , finishing medical school , getting

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certified as , I'm sorry , I'm board

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certified in family medicine but in the middle

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of my residency I actually

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developed breast cancer . So I

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was 30 at the time , no

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family history of breast cancer , and

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I thought I was taking care of myself as I said , I was

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exercising , trying to eat right

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, and then all of a sudden , I

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got this aggressive breast cancer during

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residency . And then , of course , I had to

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go through all this treatment . And

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when I got through all the treatment treatment

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and there was a few years afterwards where

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I was lucky enough to , my periods

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came back and I was able to have a couple of kids

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. And then , at the other end of the whole thing , I'm

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like , oh my goodness , I just had

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breast cancer and I'm all into

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prevention and wellness and I

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was very well taken care of in conventional

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medicine circles , but I really

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was wondering why did this happen to me ? Why

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did this happen to me ? Why would somebody so

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healthy and back then , when you're

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a 30-year-old , with breast cancer was really rare

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? Unfortunately , you're seeing more

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and more cancers in young people , but

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this was 24

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years ago and it was even rarer

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for a 30-year-old right , especially somebody

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who thought they were so healthy . So

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it really took me . It really opened

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my eyes in terms of I've got to think about

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health , disease , wellness in

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a whole different way , and I was blessed

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I ended up getting a job at Canyon

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Ranch in Lenox , massachusetts , and

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that's when I met Mark Hyman and Kathy

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Swift and Todd Lepine and Cindy Geyer and

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all those wonderful people I still

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work with today , and I

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was sent on my first

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training program for functional medicine

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and I remember going

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to the week-long course in functional

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medicine and it just blew me away

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. I was like , oh my goodness , this is

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amazing . This is exactly what

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I want to do . Now . I understand

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more about how to think about

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the body and health and wellness and how

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to think about how all the systems

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in the body are interrelated . And

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it just opened my eyes to

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really help me for myself

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, figure out what I needed to do

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to be healthier and

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even though , as I said , I was doing some of the things

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right , but there were some things that I really needed more

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support with . And

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then it really helped me with my patients practice

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when we're looking for that root

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cause and not just looking

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at a symptom and suppressing it with a medication

4:28

, but really understanding that individual

4:30

person and personalizing

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their treatment approach and looking for

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that individual person and looking at , okay , what

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is out of balance in their body . What

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do we need to do to shift

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the terrain in their body so

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it's healthier ? Do

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to shift the terrain in their body so it's healthier . And so it's great to

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be talking with you today , because we know the mouth is so important and

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the teeth and the gums are so important for

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our overall health and wellbeing . And

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actually it was something that I had to

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pay attention to as well , mark

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Hyman , when we were working together , after

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I went through all my cancer treatment , and

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he would look in my mouth and he'd be

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like and I had like at least 11

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silver amalgams still and he was

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like , liz , you've got to get those out . And I'd

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be like , oh , yeah . And a year

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or so later he'd be like , liz , you got to get those

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out . I'd be like , yeah , and

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I realized , after I went through the process of safe removal and really focusing on my detoxification

5:27

system , how much better my immune system worked

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, how much better I felt , how

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much better my cognition was

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and my energy . I didn't get sick

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as much , so I know

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it's such an important area , both for

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myself and my patients , that we really are paying attention

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to .

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Yeah , and it's great . Dr Bohum and I , we will

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work together on a couple of patients and it's so refreshing

5:49

when a doctor understands

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how connected we have such

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great urgent emergency care

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in this country second to none in the world

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and so thankful that we have that

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. When it comes to chronic disease , which is

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becoming more and more problematic

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, we really need these root cause

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solutions . That's great we have . I think one of

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the problems we have so many super specialists

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, right . So somebody has a symptom

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, maybe your family doctor doesn't really know . They

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send you this specialist , who sends you to this , and

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it becomes so specialized

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that we forget that everything

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in the body is totally connected . So

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it's wonderful that you have people

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, but it has to take the village right

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. That's why I work with you , you work with me

6:30

. We have all other therapists too , right

6:32

. I love the ultra wellness center that you have the

6:34

mental , spiritual part too , like in your very

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first appointment . It is not an

6:39

eight minute appointment when you go to the ultra wellness

6:41

center . You're spending a good part of your day there

6:43

because you're meeting with all these different

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providers , which is absolutely

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key to wellness . Right , there is

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. There are so many facets for wellness . We talk

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about all these different facets on this podcast

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because it's important , but you've got

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to have . You have to have that MD

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. Some people shun the MD

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, no , they don't get that . But there are

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wonderful functional medicine people out

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there and who have all the knowledge

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and all that really background to understand

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all the intricacies of our biochemistry

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. So again , we have to have

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this whole team . So it's great when

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we work on this and that's the thing

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that's . One of the reasons I really want to do this podcast

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is because most people don't think about their mouth

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that much , because it doesn't hurt . I

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had a patient just yesterday and

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he has this tooth with a major infection on

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an upper tooth that is right on the sinus

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and hasn't done anything about

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it . And I'm trying to say like , I know it's

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so hard to think about removing a tooth when

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it doesn't bother you , right ? But

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we don't understand that impact of all

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of that infectious material , all the byproducts

7:46

that these bacteria and fungus are

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passing through our lymph system , into our

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bloodstream , into the nerves

7:52

. We know Dale Bredesen has been doing some amazing

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work on reversing dementia and one

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of his main categories of a cause

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of dementia is infection , oral

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infection , right up there as number one

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and think about an upper tooth . There's

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a very thin membrane between the tooth

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and your sinus and then a thin membrane between

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your sinus and your brain . Again , these things

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don't hurt , but they can

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impact you , and both Dr

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Bohan and I were so big on prevention . We

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don't want it to come to the point where now you have

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dementia . It's a lot harder to

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peel back those layers and to try

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to come back from something . You were so fortunate

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with your situation that you were young and

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had your health going for that . You were

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able to recover . So maybe I'm

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just curious what did you discover ? Thinking

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you're healthy and this is a conversation that comes up

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a lot for me , when people are talking to me

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and they'll do a consult and say I eat healthy , I eat healthy

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and I'm like what does that mean when we say

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we're really healthy , we're exercising

8:47

and we're all unique and our digestion

8:50

, our microbiome is all unique

8:52

. So sometimes , okay , these certain foods

8:54

may not be good for you

9:06

, but it was broccoli and cauliflower and all

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these . What ? All the ? But how am I going to

9:10

get my sulfur ? Isn't that supposed to be the healthiest food

9:13

? But in my body those

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foods were not benefiting me

9:17

, so it was kind of that's that's interesting

9:19

. So that's why sometimes we do these food sensitivity

9:21

tests . I've done that in the past . Lettuce

9:23

always comes up for me . I'm like lettuce . How

9:26

can my body not want lettuce ? So

9:28

interesting , but that's why . So

9:30

sometimes , when we think we're eating healthy , but we're

9:32

always eating the same thing all the time , maybe

9:35

that's not beneficial , right ? Maybe we

9:37

really when we talk about the rainbow right

9:40

, we shouldn't be eating the same , Even if we

9:42

think it's the healthiest thing on the planet . We really need

9:44

the variety , right .

9:46

Oh , diversity is key , right .

9:48

Nutrients right . It's really interesting , but

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maybe tell us a little bit about what

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you thought was healthy but maybe wasn't

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benefiting you as well .

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A couple of things that you pointed out that I

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want to just touch base on and then I

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can circle back to my personal

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health . But you're absolutely right , when somebody

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comes in to see us , we have a

10:08

really long gathering

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period , right ? So we're gathering all

10:12

of that person's history . So we have

10:14

them fill out these forms that have a

10:16

lot of information about their health

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history , their timeline of when

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things shifted in their body , and

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then they meet with one of our

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nurses or PAs to

10:28

do an intake where all

10:30

that information is brought together just

10:32

to help the physicians , when they meet with the

10:34

patient , have a really good timeline and

10:36

history and understanding of that patient . And

10:39

you're right , it's so important to

10:41

ask lots and lots of questions

10:44

, because sometimes

10:46

people just say , yeah , I'm healthy , I'm fine , I'm doing well

10:48

there . So we ask a lot of questions regarding

10:50

your intake of foods , as well

10:52

as your health history , and a

10:54

lot of questions regarding the mouth

10:56

, because we know there's such that important connection

10:59

with your oral health

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and your overall health . And

11:03

then when people come in to see us , they see the

11:05

physician first and then they

11:08

go on and see a nutritionist

11:10

. So every patient who comes in has

11:12

to see a nutritionist , because we recognize

11:15

how critically important food

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is for your overall health and wellbeing

11:19

, and one of the things you pointed out , dr

11:22

Carver , so importantly , is the importance

11:24

of diversity and how important

11:26

diversity is for feeding

11:29

all the good microbes in your mouth

11:31

and in your gut and in

11:33

your whole body . And mixing it up and

11:36

really getting a lot of different plant

11:38

foods , eating that rainbow

11:40

. Lots of different . Don't always for your red food

11:43

, don't always have red peppers , right , mix it up

11:45

and sometimes it may be beets and sometimes

11:47

it may be an apple and sometimes . So mixing

11:49

up your all of your colorful fruits

11:52

and vegetables and we're really recommending

11:54

that you're getting eight to 12

11:56

servings of foods that have phytonutrients

11:58

in it , which includes your vegetables , your fruits

12:00

, your spices , teas and coffees in

12:02

a day just

12:05

to and mixing it up for that diversity , because that will really help

12:07

feed a healthy microbiome . So

12:10

that's really key for for everyone

12:12

and we get . We ask a lot of questions

12:15

, right . So we ask a lot of questions about antibiotic

12:17

history , for example , because we know antibiotics

12:20

can shift the microbes in your

12:22

mouth and in your gut . We ask a lot

12:24

of questions about different lifestyle and different illnesses

12:27

, and that really helps us put together a personalized

12:29

plan for our patients . For

12:32

me , when I went through learning about functional

12:34

medicine , of course you apply it to yourself

12:36

and you figure out , okay what was out of balance

12:39

and in functional medicine at the base

12:41

of the matrix , right ? The matrix is a way

12:43

that we organize that

12:46

person's information so it can

12:48

feel especially for a new functional

12:50

medicine provider it can feel

12:52

overwhelming sometimes because there's all this information

12:55

you're gathering . But when you organize it

12:57

around a matrix , which is just a way

12:59

of putting together that person's information

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, you can get a sense of where you need to

13:03

focus and concentrate . So it really

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helps us as a practitioner figure

13:07

out where to focus . But at the base

13:09

of the matrix there are your personalized

13:12

lifestyle factors . So that includes

13:14

is that person getting good sleep

13:16

, exercise , nutrition

13:18

, stress management and relationships

13:20

and networks ? That's the base of the

13:22

matrix and called the personalized , modifiable

13:25

lifestyle factors . So for

13:27

each person who comes in you

13:29

focus a little on their lifestyle

13:31

factors differently . So for

13:33

me I had a pretty

13:35

good healthy diet . Maybe , if I look back

13:37

on it now , maybe a little too high in some carbohydrates

13:40

, but I was young and in general I think

13:42

it was a pretty good healthy diet and

13:44

I was a definite exerciser . But

13:46

what I wasn't very good at is

13:49

my stress management . And I

13:51

was in the middle of residency

13:53

training and , as I mentioned early

13:55

on , I was frustrated

13:58

with the whole training process because it

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wasn't what I thought it was going to be , and

14:02

so that kind of shook me . I had made this decision

14:05

to go through medical school and residency . I thought it was going to be , and so it . That kind of shook me . I had made this decision to go through medical school

14:07

and residency , but it

14:09

was different than what I thought it was going to be , and

14:11

so I was angry with my decision

14:14

. I was angry with myself . I was like I

14:16

don't think this is the right thing for me . And

14:18

I had , on top of that , I

14:20

was never very good at managing stress , so

14:23

I had , I never had any tools

14:25

for managing stress . I don't think I really even understood

14:27

all the stress that I was under or how

14:29

much it impacted my health , and

14:32

so for me that was really critical

14:34

to understand , to

14:36

really understand how much that anger

14:39

was impacting my health , how

14:41

much that frustration with my own decision

14:43

was impacting my health , how much that stress was impacting my health , how much that frustration with my own decision was impacting my health , how much

14:45

that stress was impacting my health , and

14:47

I took three months off of residency

14:50

. I was really blessed the

14:52

residency program I was in was I

14:54

got three months off and it really gave me

14:56

a great time

14:58

, a chance to pay

15:01

attention to my health again and

15:03

pay attention to my body and try to listen

15:05

to my body again , cause that was another thing

15:07

I had to learn how to do . I was a worker

15:09

, I was moving through this process , I was like

15:11

, and so I had to learn how to listen to

15:14

my body , learn how to rest when my body

15:16

needed rest , learned learn

15:19

how to do things like breath

15:21

, work and understand

15:23

how important it was for me to engage

15:25

my parasympathetic nervous system and

15:28

the calming nervous system in the body

15:30

, and I had to learn how to . I did

15:32

a lot of gratitude journaling , which changed

15:35

my life completely . It changed my

15:37

outlook , it changed the way that

15:39

I was looking at this whole process

15:41

. As opposed to fighting my

15:43

training , I started to recognize

15:46

the wonderful things I was learning and the joy

15:48

and the and , even if it wasn't exactly

15:50

what I wanted it . There's a lot . There was a

15:52

lot of good to it and gratitude

15:54

was really instrumental in changing my mindset

15:57

, which was which was always fighting

15:59

and struggling and stressed . In

16:01

addition , I did a lot of integrative things

16:03

, like I did a lot of acupuncture and

16:05

I did Reiki . My mom gifted

16:08

me with a weekly session of Reiki

16:10

and that just was

16:12

wonderful in terms of energy healing

16:14

and calming my body . And then

16:17

I started , as I said , when I went through

16:19

functional medicine training . I started to recognize

16:22

that there was a few areas in

16:24

my matrix , in addition to

16:26

the stress management , that I had to really focus

16:28

on , and one was my

16:30

microbiome , because I was on

16:33

antibiotics my whole childhood pretty

16:35

much . I had chronic urinary tract infections

16:37

. I was treated

16:39

for them again and again with antibiotics

16:42

, which ended up messing up my

16:44

microbiome . I ended up having a lot

16:47

of issues because of that and that needed a lot

16:49

of support . And then I also

16:51

realized I really needed to focus on my

16:53

toxic load . I realized through

16:55

testing that I had a lot of excess

16:58

toxic exposure . I also genetically

17:00

wasn't as good at mobilizing those toxins

17:03

, and so that was those

17:05

two areas In addition to the stress

17:07

management I really did a lot of work on , and

17:09

one of the things when I did a test

17:11

on which which helped , even

17:13

though I do always listen to Mark Hyman

17:15

for whatever reason him

17:18

telling me to get my amalgams out it seemed like this

17:20

was like this huge thing and

17:22

, oh , do I want to spend the money ? And

17:24

whatever . So there's one test

17:26

that we do a lot at the ultra wellness center

17:28

and it's the quick silver tri test

17:30

, and it looks at level of inorganic

17:33

mercury , methyl mercury and total

17:36

mercury and then how are you mobilizing it

17:38

through your hair and your urine ? And

17:40

my inorganic mercury

17:42

was really still

17:45

very high , which indicates that some

17:47

of your mercury is still getting secreted

17:49

from those silver amalgams , and

17:51

so that kind of helped me feel

17:54

more convinced that , again , I always

17:56

listen to Mark , but they convinced me

17:58

to take that step and to go

18:00

through the safe removal and then realizing

18:03

that I had to really focus on lowering my

18:05

toxic load and supporting my body's

18:07

detox system . So those were the areas

18:10

that , in addition , I needed to focus on for my

18:12

own overall health .

18:13

Yeah , that's great . I feel like you're telling my

18:16

whole story and that's again

18:18

why the history is so important

18:20

. Right , because what happened in your childhood

18:22

, not just what's going on in the last five years , because

18:24

same for me . I had acne as a teenager

18:27

, so I was on loads of antibiotics

18:29

, right , and then didn't really

18:31

help that much . And then I was on birth

18:33

control , then Accutane , like all of

18:35

these things that just totally destroyed

18:38

my microbiome , really affected my liver

18:40

, and I too have poor detox

18:42

capabilities . I did one tox

18:45

test . I think I had outrageous

18:47

levels of ddt in my system . Now

18:50

ddt was banned three years before I was even

18:52

born . So crazy , right

18:54

again , we've talked about this a little bit on the podcast too

18:56

. So you , I could have inherited that from

18:58

my parents . What my first couple years of my life was

19:00

on a military base . My

19:02

dad was like , oh , we used to spray everything

19:04

all over , so I'm sure they were still using the banned

19:07

substance , who knows . Crazy how these

19:09

things were born with . And especially

19:11

today , these babies now are born

19:14

already with their buckets half full . Could

19:16

, this be part of the reason why autism and all

19:18

these other things on the rise . I 100%

19:20

believe . So it's all of a sudden

19:23

. My daughter said to me

19:25

the other day Mom , I really don't want to have a kid with

19:27

problems . And I said it starts with you . I'm

19:29

like when you're old enough and you're ready

19:31

and willing to do the work

19:33

, because now she's a teenager she wants nothing . I

19:41

just ran blood work on her and she , she's got so much omega-6 , her omega-3 balance

19:43

she's way off . She doesn't have enough antioxidants , all the stuff , because she's eating all the

19:45

processed stuff . But she's not ready at this point . But it's

19:47

interesting that she's noting that and she was listening

19:50

. So I'm like , okay , we'll get there right

19:52

eventually . But that's a really big

19:54

part of it for me too . So my microbiome

19:56

I didn't really have one . I'm lucky that my

19:58

kids are as healthy as , because the first

20:00

, when I was pregnant with them , I was working in dentistry

20:03

and I didn't know about safe removal

20:05

. So here I am , day in , day out , five

20:07

days a week , breathing in all

20:10

this and my mercury I don't know where it is

20:12

, because when I do those tests , like nothing ever

20:14

shows up , so it's sequestered somewhere

20:17

in the brain or something . But that's

20:19

what I always have to focus on too is the microbiome

20:21

and the detox which

20:24

is . And for me , even before detox

20:26

, I think I ran into problems trying to detox

20:28

so much , but my drainage

20:31

pathways weren't great , right , so

20:33

my liver was always a little cloggy , my

20:35

bowels I always tend more towards constipation

20:37

. That's where we always work too right

20:39

Before we can push things out . How

20:42

are those working ? And again , why the history

20:44

is so important , right ? If I never told

20:46

you , yeah , I get constipated

20:49

more often than not . And

20:51

then if the doctor doesn't really know that and they started

20:53

giving you a lot of stuff to detox

20:56

, it has nowhere to go . So again

20:58

, that detailed . And why

21:00

functional medicine has an advantage because

21:02

you go to your regular doctor and what do they have for you

21:04

? Eight , 10 minutes . It's like just

21:07

the way the model is in conventional

21:09

medicine that they have to push through

21:11

so many patients in a day , so it's very

21:13

hard to have

21:17

. And so many people when they come to me or have a consultation , they just want somebody

21:19

to listen Right . Have . And so many people when they come to me or have a consultation , they just want somebody to listen

21:21

right , and so I've had

21:23

to learn that skill because

21:25

for me , like as a practitioner , I always

21:27

want to jump in and say , oh , do this , do that ? But I'm

21:29

like , oh no , I just have to listen , because

21:32

, one , you understand , you learn so much just

21:34

by listening , right and against

21:37

. I had somebody come in the other day and

21:39

he had a lot of problems

21:42

and I'm just trying to tell him why

21:44

, but he didn't want , he just wanted to keep talking

21:46

. So finally , after a few minutes , I'm like I'm just going to shut

21:48

my mouth and just let him go for 20 minutes

21:51

, just let him get it all out before

21:53

I intervene . And I

21:55

think that's one important

21:57

thing that I think we've lost in modern

22:00

medicine , dentistry today is that

22:02

doctor-patient relationship , because it's become

22:05

almost transactional . Now you come

22:07

in with your symptom , here's your medication

22:09

, and we've lost that . And patients

22:11

just want to be heard . And that's why so

22:13

many people are turning away from

22:15

traditional and looking towards all of these I

22:18

don't like the word alternative medicine but more

22:20

holistic modalities , because they know

22:22

the conventional model is broken .

22:25

Oh , absolutely , Unfortunately it is , and I

22:27

know it's frustrating physicians as well

22:29

as for the patients , right , Having that

22:31

limited amount of

22:33

time and having to create

22:37

these notes to appease the insurance company

22:39

and use these certain medications . It's very hard

22:41

for physicians as well as the patient

22:44

, and so I feel blessed to have

22:46

that time with patients so we

22:48

can really get to understand them and know where

22:50

they're coming from and understand their history

22:52

and their timeline and where

22:54

we have to focus for them . And I think

22:56

what functional medicine is really working

22:59

to do is to work

23:01

with conventional medicine and work to shift

23:03

the way we're doing conventional medicine

23:05

, because we all know it has to change . The

23:08

way that we're doing things now is not

23:10

sustainable . It's also

23:12

just as you said we can do

23:14

a good job with acute care medicine , but when we're dealing

23:17

with all this chronic disease

23:19

, we have to change what we're doing

23:21

and it has to be a more comprehensive approach

23:23

where we're getting to understand our

23:25

patients and looking upstream and not

23:27

just putting a Band-Aid on

23:30

the situation . And what's fascinating

23:32

, like when people come in to see us

23:34

, I'm always looking in their mouth

23:37

. That's like the one thing that I'm always doing

23:39

. I'm asking them questions about their

23:41

. Like you said that antibiotic history

23:43

is important to know . But also

23:45

, what is your history when you go to the dentist ? How

23:47

often are you going to the dentist ? What do they say

23:49

about your gums ? Is there any infections

23:52

? So we do a really

23:54

detailed history but also examine

23:57

the mouth and that's important to see

23:59

because it's important . Your teeth are so critical

24:01

for what you can eat and chew . And

24:03

then , of course , all that inflammation

24:05

that can come from the mouth and impact

24:07

the body . And what we

24:09

always do with every patient who

24:11

comes in is we check some markers of inflammation

24:14

. So we'll check . There's different markers

24:16

to look at , but we look at things like C-reactive

24:18

protein and if that's high

24:20

, it's telling you there's something in the

24:22

body that's triggering inflammation

24:24

and you've got to do . That's what

24:26

we are . We're detectives . We're looking to see where

24:29

is that inflammation coming from , and

24:31

it could be coming from their poor diet

24:34

or weight gain around the belly , but

24:36

it could be coming from imbalances

24:39

in the microbiome and whether that's in the

24:41

gut area or

24:45

in the mouth . So we are often working with you , Dr

24:47

Carver , and sending patients to you , and it's

24:49

important to have that good relationship with

24:52

a dentist so they can help you investigate

24:55

, Because , unfortunately , inflammation

24:57

is one of those things that sometimes takes

25:00

some investigative work and we've got to figure out where it's

25:02

coming from , because we know that

25:04

chronic levels of

25:06

inflammation always high , can

25:08

lead to so many different diseases , from

25:10

heart disease to stroke , to cancer , to

25:13

metabolic syndrome , insulin resistance , prediabetes

25:15

and so dementia . So it's really

25:18

important that we're looking for signs of

25:20

inflammation and then working to uncover them

25:22

. So it's an important

25:24

area for us to look at . We know that

25:26

with gingivitis and

25:29

physicians know this , we've known this

25:31

forever that inflammation in

25:33

the gums is tied to heart disease . Right

25:35

, I'm sure you've talked about this on this podcast

25:38

we know that there are bacteria from

25:40

the mouth found in plaque in

25:42

the arteries in your heart , and

25:44

this is not new . This is not new

25:46

information . But so often

25:48

physicians don't have the time to even

25:51

think about that and delve into

25:53

it when they're working on helping a patient

25:55

reverse their chronic disease . But

25:57

it's critical because it is a strong

25:59

driver for heart disease . But we also

26:01

know that gingivitis is a strong or

26:04

inflammation in the gums is a strong

26:06

driver for dementia , as you just mentioned

26:08

, right , Alzheimer's disease , dementia

26:10

, certain cancers , rheumatoid arthritis

26:12

, other autoimmune disease , definitely

26:14

vascular disease , increasing risk of stroke

26:17

. So it's critical that we're paying attention

26:19

to this . But unfortunately , when

26:22

you have eight to 10 minutes , you

26:24

don't have time to go down that pathway and

26:26

think about those connections

26:28

. You're just putting out a fire or putting

26:30

a Band-Aid on and it's not . It's

26:33

not . The patients don't feel great afterwards

26:35

and the doctors aren't feeling great afterwards . We know

26:37

the system has to change .

26:39

Yeah , it's true , and the exciting

26:41

thing for me as a dentist is that the mouth is super

26:43

accessible . Right , it's a lot easier

26:46

to treat the mouth than the gut . Right , I

26:48

can see directly in the mouth

26:50

Now with the 3D x-ray , the cone beam

26:52

. Wow , the stuff that I see , the things that I'm

26:54

seeing in people's sinuses , and they have no

26:57

feeling of it . They've got these

26:59

big . I don't even know what half the

27:01

stuff is . You know it could be . I had one patient

27:03

a couple of weeks ago . The entire sinus

27:05

was 100% full of fluid or

27:07

something they're like . Really , I don't feel anything

27:10

. I'm like , oh my goodness , this is not good . There's

27:12

, you know , is there a fungal ? And we know there's a lot

27:14

of , you know , thought

27:17

that fungus is a pre-cancer to cancer

27:19

. So if we can and if it's in the mouth

27:21

, it's in the nasal cavities , we have ways to try

27:23

to deal with that . But taking out those

27:25

old amalgam fillings that have lots of different metals

27:27

in them , that's relatively easy to do

27:29

. Taking out infected teeth for

27:32

a dentist relatively easy to do , and

27:34

in my practice it's biologic . I'm using the

27:36

ozone and all the things that also helping

27:38

to detoxify the patient before we do all the

27:40

pre and post , depending on the patient

27:42

. Some patients are going to need a little bit more

27:44

pre and post support because

27:47

their immune systems are already or they

27:49

have very high levels of inflammation . We

27:51

know we need to support them with more oxygenate

27:53

, more liver detoxification , drainage

27:56

like those are really important before certain

27:58

an amalgam removal or removal

28:00

of a tooth we really got to you

28:03

know again , treat that patient . That's why that history

28:05

is super important , knowing how do they heal from certain

28:07

things and they'll need some more post-op

28:09

care . But again it's , the

28:12

trickier ones are what we call like cavitation

28:14

lesions , right ? So if you've had a wisdom tooth

28:16

. So right , that's an important part of the history

28:19

too . Have you ever had wisdom teeth removed

28:21

? Because even though the gum tissue may

28:23

heal and feel fine , sometimes , for

28:25

whatever reason , the bone

28:27

may not fully heal in those extraction

28:29

sites and it leaves a cavity , basically

28:32

a hole in the bone where things

28:34

like Lyme and parasites

28:37

and fungus and bacteria , all sorts of things can

28:39

go and hang out right , so a nice cozy

28:41

little den . There's no blood supply there

28:43

anymore , so the immune system can't

28:45

see that . All these things are there and they're

28:47

giving off their bypass . But all of those toxins

28:50

that they give off are draining right into

28:52

our lymph system , getting into those arteries

28:54

, all that kind of stuff , and

28:56

but they don't feel anything . So that's another

28:59

important thing on these 3D x-rays that we try to

29:01

look for in illicit history . Interestingly

29:03

, a bunch of my cavitation patients they will

29:06

have had maybe head and

29:08

neck issues , nerve issues

29:10

, trigeminal neuralgia , all

29:12

these kinds of things , and often the most common

29:14

one I see is a lower wisdom tooth removal and the patient

29:16

will feel like they have pain in the upper teeth

29:18

. But if you look clinically you're like

29:20

I don't see anything but because the nerve branches

29:23

into the five different branches of that facial

29:25

nerve . They all can come from that area . Those

29:28

toxins and everything can creep all along those

29:30

nerves . Very interesting , something that we really

29:32

need to look at when

29:35

again we're searching for that source of

29:37

inflammation . What else could it be ? Some

29:41

of the things , obviously the amalgams infected teeth , those are more obvious

29:43

, but the cavitation lesions , those are a little trickier . Somebody

29:45

would try general neuralgia . I'm always thinking

29:48

all right , what is the

29:50

? Usually some kind of toxin , right

29:52

? I think a virus is more like toxin

29:54

. So that got in the body . Where is it

29:56

? So how can we go after that specific

29:58

toxin with binders and drainage

30:01

and all that kind of stuff ? Can we use

30:03

ozone and procaine and all these things to

30:05

try to heal that nerve ? So a person

30:07

doesn't have to ? Because traditionally we think , oh

30:09

, that's something you're just going to have forever .

30:11

You just have to deal with it .

30:14

Maybe not especially . The sooner we can get

30:16

to it , the better , but there's always in

30:18

my opinion I'm sure in yours there's always a reason

30:20

for a symptom . Absolutely you

30:22

cover that you know unpack it , yeah , and it

30:25

is you

30:27

said being a detective . I think that's the most

30:30

fun . When I've become , this biology dentist is unpacking

30:33

all these kinds of things . Somebody will come to me with a toothache

30:35

. Clinically , I'm like I don't see

30:37

anything , so I'll pull out my tooth meridian

30:39

chart . You're like all right , what meridian is that tooth

30:41

on Right ? Hey , okay , that's on the

30:43

stomach meridian . Are you having any reflux , any stomach

30:45

issues ? Have you been treated for H pylori ? Any

30:48

of that ? And that is the fun thing when you

30:50

and so often patients will be like how did you

30:52

know that ? Yeah , guess what ? The whole body is connected

30:55

.

30:55

I think you brought up a really important point

30:57

about how we have to support patients

31:00

through these treatment processes

31:02

and

31:08

I do think that's really important to pay attention to and to really echo for anybody

31:10

who's listening that when we decide that somebody has to

31:12

have their silver amalgams removed

31:14

or it's really important that it's

31:16

done in a safe manner with support

31:19

whatever your individual support needs

31:21

are and done to prevent

31:23

that mercury from getting back into the body

31:25

, it has to be done safely , and

31:28

we are always working to find

31:30

we get patients from all over the world . So definitely

31:32

when they're local , we'll work with Dr Carver

31:34

, but if they're not local , we're looking for

31:37

biological dentists that will really think about

31:39

how can we remove this safely and work

31:41

with you to support that person's detoxification

31:44

capacity . Because sometimes when

31:47

people , like you said , if you jump in too

31:49

fast to either

31:51

the removal or these detox

31:53

protocols

31:55

, sometimes if they're too aggressive , you

31:57

feel worse

31:59

, and so it's important that we don't put too

32:02

much stress on the body and there are certain

32:04

times that we have to be really careful about

32:06

not putting extra stress on the body If

32:08

somebody is dealing with active cancer . You really got to

32:10

think . You're doing things carefully , with

32:13

lots of support so you're not putting

32:15

extra stress on the immune system Because

32:17

, as I mentioned , these toxins from the environment

32:20

really put

32:22

a lot of stress on the immune system . Unfortunately

32:25

, we know that many toxins , including

32:28

mercury , but lots of other toxins

32:30

as well have been shown to

32:32

suppress the functioning of the immune system

32:34

, and so how easily somebody

32:36

can fight off a cold or a flu

32:39

or a virus or some bacterial

32:41

infection when they have high

32:43

levels of toxins , they might get sick more frequently

32:46

or they just they get cancer

32:48

. They just can't fight off things as well . We

32:50

also know that toxins can really cause

32:53

imbalances in the immune system

32:55

, like trigger an autoimmune condition

32:57

in certain people who are susceptible . So

33:00

it's and , like you mentioned , we

33:02

are unfortunately seeing so

33:04

many different toxins , from

33:07

the forever chemicals , pfoas

33:09

, to the endocrine disrupting

33:11

chemicals like the plastics , like

33:13

BPA and triclosan

33:15

and parabens , and then

33:17

, of course , there's the heavy metals and pesticides

33:21

and herbicides . It's sometimes disheartening

33:23

and scary

33:26

, but we know that's definitely

33:29

impacting . Like you mentioned , that increase

33:31

in autism is definitely impacting the increase

33:33

in cancer . There's just an article researchers

33:36

don't know why so many young people are getting

33:38

colon cancer and getting cancer

33:40

. We do know we

33:42

have dumped what is there like 95,000

33:45

registered chemicals

33:48

that we're putting in the environment that we're not

33:50

testing properly . We do

33:52

know . We do know we've been sticking antibiotics

33:54

into us as well as into our food supply

33:57

that's messed up all our microbiome . That is

33:59

absolutely related to this increased risk

34:01

of cancer . So those endocrine disrupting

34:03

chemicals , those toxins , the antibiotics

34:06

are absolutely disrupting

34:08

our immune system . So I think it's just

34:10

an interesting statement .

34:12

We don't know why there's such Eye

34:14

roll eye roll . Okay , we absolutely know . But

34:17

that is another important part you said like , for

34:19

instance , I had a patient yesterday with cancer

34:21

. One of her old amalgam fillings

34:23

didn't look great but I was like I don't , I'm not

34:25

touching that right now . She's in the midst of treatment

34:28

, why , and even with all my mitigation

34:30

techniques and we minimize , if

34:33

anything , I don't want to take the risk

34:35

that even one little molecule

34:37

of mercury is going to upset

34:39

the healing there . So that's why , ideally

34:42

, dr Bohemond , always have prevention

34:44

. Let's one try

34:46

to do these things before we're sick . Two

34:49

, have such good oral care

34:51

that we never need a filling in the first place

34:53

, right ? Sometimes I look at patients and

34:55

I think I'm much more conservative

34:58

where some people like they see the slightest shadow on

35:00

an x-ray and boom , we need to do a filling . Even

35:02

with the best biological we are

35:04

still have chemicals in

35:06

dental materials and

35:09

so I don't want to put that

35:11

. Can I and I know the body , the teeth

35:13

, mineralize , demineralize all day , every

35:16

day . I would much rather try to focus on

35:18

can we do hardcore

35:20

nutrition and special my little

35:23

kits that I have to try to enhance

35:25

that environment ? Can we do that first , especially

35:28

when a patient is asymptomatic ? It's just an

35:30

enamel . I do not , and once

35:32

you cut into a tooth it's forever Until we have

35:34

figured out how to regrow an enamel . It's

35:36

not like you can do a filling . Even the best

35:38

dentist in the world . That filling is eventually

35:40

going to break down , especially if you get it when you're a child

35:42

. It would be wonderful if it could last

35:45

forever . That is , I have to say , one advantage

35:47

of the amalgam fillings . They do last

35:50

a long time and again , and

35:52

that's why some of these tests that you will get at a

35:54

functional medicine , like this mercury test

35:56

, because I have plenty of 70

35:58

year olds and they have a mouthful of amalgams

36:01

and they appear to be healthy as

36:03

horses zero medications , zero chronic

36:05

ailments and so do you need to rip them all out

36:07

? No , I don't think so , because

36:10

their body is doing a great job

36:12

, and that's why we're in biologic dentists

36:14

and functional medicine doctors . We

36:16

are looking at the individual right

36:19

. So we know okay , an amalgam filling has 50

36:21

mercury in it , but some people have

36:23

great . It's really interesting when you take out

36:25

an amalgam filling , sometimes under the tooth

36:27

is completely corroded . It looks black

36:30

underneath there . You know , oh my gosh , that has been

36:32

leaching right into the body . But

36:34

sometimes you take out a silver filling and the dentin is

36:36

the perfect beautiful chalky

36:39

yellow and you wow , that's so interesting

36:41

. Why did it corrode on this tooth and not

36:43

on that one ? And again , it makes me always think about those

36:45

energetic systems , how the tooth are related

36:47

. Or you'll see one tooth

36:50

right budding next to the other one

36:52

. There's cavity on one side , not on the

36:54

other . How can that be If they're in the exact same

36:56

environment ? Shouldn't ? they have the cat

36:58

, right ? No

37:04

, because they're on different energy meridians too . So , again , you're thinking about that whole body

37:06

and how that's working . The other thing about people who are of the older generation right , they

37:08

were born before plastics , right Before these 95,000

37:11

chemicals . Right , so their immune systems

37:13

, our immune system , doesn't fully develop till about age

37:16

three , right , so they

37:18

didn't have any of that , those terrible

37:21

stuff . Their immune systems were much

37:23

more robust , whereas today

37:25

not so much . We're getting so

37:28

much more into our bodies before

37:30

age three , so none of our immune

37:32

systems are as robust as they were

37:34

. So that's again that individuality

37:36

when you're coming up with a treatment plan

37:38

is really important . When you're coming up with a treatment plan is really important

37:40

?

37:40

Yeah , 100% , and I'm always thinking

37:42

about the toxic load

37:44

, because it's not just one toxin

37:47

, it's

37:52

what is that person's toxic load ? You mentioned

37:54

it earlier the bucket , right . How full up is their

37:56

bucket and how are they able to detoxify

37:59

? How are they detoxifying toxins from their body

38:01

? How is their bowels working ? How are they

38:03

pooping ? How is their liver working

38:05

? Are they eating enough protein ? Are

38:07

they eating enough phytonutrients

38:09

and minerals and vitamins to support

38:11

their liver ? Are they sweating ? Are they

38:13

drinking enough clean water ? All

38:16

those things that are really critical for detoxification

38:18

. And what I work with people on all the time

38:21

is okay how

38:23

do we lower your toxic load ? Because if

38:25

you just think about all those chemicals

38:28

that we've been talking about , as I said , it can be pretty

38:30

overwhelming and daunting and sad

38:32

, but we want to work on what

38:35

can we do to lower our exposure and

38:37

what can we do to support the release

38:40

of these toxins . So both ends

38:42

it's really important and

38:44

that's where we see things get out of whack

38:46

and , like you said , it's not always

38:48

you have to remove every silver filling

38:50

. It's looking at what is that person's toxic

38:53

load , what can you do to lower it and

38:55

work to support their detoxification capacity

38:57

.

38:58

Exactly Like in our last 15 minutes . Let's really

39:00

, let's focus on this . What are your

39:02

favorite tests . Maybe let's say a

39:04

patient can afford to do two tests

39:06

. I have my favorite ones . To look at this toxic

39:09

load . What do you think is a good way to determine

39:12

some of ?

39:13

that . So there's a few that I look at

39:15

. So I look at GGT A GGT

39:17

is a test that you can do at

39:19

any lab . It's a conventional lab

39:22

test and it gives you a sense of your body's

39:24

glutathione demand , and glutathione

39:27

is a really

39:30

important antioxidant for the body

39:32

and it's very important for our detoxification

39:35

capacity . So GGT

39:37

can give us an understanding of

39:39

. It's not perfect , but it can give us an

39:41

understanding . And then we often

39:43

do something like a Nutri-Eval . A

39:46

Nutri-Eval which has

39:49

organic acids in it will

39:51

look at things like markers of oxidative

39:53

stress , markers of toxicity

39:56

, markers of even glutathione , and

39:58

when you can look at all of those together

40:00

to get a sense of somebody's

40:02

toxic load . You said two

40:05

. We sometimes do more than that . Right , we'll look at different

40:08

tests that measure toxins , which sometimes

40:10

can be helpful . I mentioned the one regarding

40:12

mercury , but we'll look at blood levels

40:15

of all sorts of different heavy metals . We

40:17

sometimes look at a test that looks at many

40:19

different parabens and phthalates

40:21

and glyphosate . We'll

40:24

look at genetics that look

40:26

at how well somebody can recycle

40:29

their glutathione , and

40:31

so you can look at somebody's genetic SNPs

40:33

or variations that can give you a sense

40:36

, and then I guess I would look at all

40:38

of that , together with the patient's symptoms

40:40

, and get a sense of how I

40:46

went over two . I'm sorry , no , no

40:48

that's okay .

40:49

No , that's a great framework . I think

40:51

there's two that I like to use , and one is the organic

40:53

acids test . I really like that

40:55

one . It's urine , so it's super easy

40:58

, you don't have to poke anybody with the needle

41:00

and you get a lot of information

41:02

from that . Like you said you can see , and

41:04

the difference in urine versus blood

41:06

is you're actually seeing the metabolites . So

41:08

sometimes if you just draw blood , something

41:11

may be in your blood . But is that actually getting into

41:13

your cells ? We don't really know

41:15

about that . Things are in the blood transiently

41:17

. So when you're having , when

41:24

you're looking at metabolites , you're really can see how is the body utilizing their your vitamins

41:26

and how is your Krebs cycle

41:28

right inside of your mitochondria , which we

41:30

know are so crucial for health ? How

41:32

are all of those areas working

41:35

? Are they working ? Okay , because we can look at metabolites

41:37

of all those different things and then we can see

41:39

your detox , right . And yes , there are more

41:41

specific tests we can do . But and

41:44

I do I like the genetic testing just to

41:46

see how well . My kids are super fortunate

41:49

, they're both homozygous for the MTHFR

41:51

, so that means that they cannot

41:53

I'm like this totally beat the genetic odds

41:55

. Like no fair . Their detox enzymes

41:57

are only 30% . Mine are

41:59

at 70 . So I'm like , oh , so I'm always on that when

42:02

they want to eat Twinkies and this and that . And they're like

42:04

no , that's not fair , like you just need a

42:06

little more support . So for them it's

42:08

challenging . So I get frustrated when they eat

42:10

all the junk because for them they

42:13

can't get rid of that as easily

42:15

. But organic tests and then I love any kind

42:17

of like tox panel , like you mentioned

42:19

. Vibrant America has one . I've been

42:21

using real-time labs to look for

42:23

the mold toxins

42:25

. Right , that's a nasty one . You talked about before how

42:27

certain things can depress our immune

42:29

system and mold is one of those really nasty

42:32

ones . It's really hard . I just

42:34

did one of lots of those lovely things and

42:36

I got to figure out where that's coming from , and I

42:38

hope it's not in my house . I just ordered

42:41

some mold testing for that Because I'm

42:43

like , oh , my eczema flared again . Am I breathing in

42:45

too many of those toxins ? Something's getting at

42:47

my system and you can look

42:49

for other kinds of microbes in

42:51

those toxin sets . But then all the plastics

42:53

, herbicides , pesticides I think it's nice to

42:56

know . Like I said I had done , one previously showed super

42:58

high levels of DDT . So

43:00

let's say , we get these tests

43:02

back and it's showing , okay , maybe our

43:04

detox , which I think I

43:06

read somewhere in some genetic thing that almost

43:09

50% , if not a little more , have

43:11

these SNPs in the MTH

43:13

. Everybody says , oh , mth , and to

43:15

me it's almost like it's more normal to have

43:17

these SNPs . And

43:19

I started to think the other day , like for

43:22

my children , why and I have to be

43:24

optimistic , right , you talked about the whole gratitude and

43:26

thinking that it's a blessing Instead of being so depressed

43:29

that my children have this , this dysfunction

43:31

. I'm like , interestingly , if they're so

43:33

poor at detoxing , they're going to get symptoms

43:35

a lot faster , right ? So

43:37

in this world of 95 000 chemicals

43:40

, the faster you get a symptom , the faster

43:42

you can deal with it .

43:43

So that's my optimism .

43:45

Maybe they selected for it because of this

43:47

toxic world . We'll be able to recognize

43:49

things faster so they can clean themselves

43:51

out before something more serious

43:54

develops . Perhaps that's my positive spin

43:56

on it . But let's say somebody

43:58

has these genetic defects , so they're

44:00

not that great of a detoxer . How would you

44:03

tell them to support their detox

44:05

systems ?

44:07

Yeah , I mean , we always start with nutrition . Not

44:09

only was my undergraduate graduate degree in nutrition

44:11

, but , as I said , we have nutritionists that meet with

44:13

every one of our patients , and so we

44:16

are making sure that people

44:18

are not wasting their calories on

44:20

junk foods . We call them junk foods because they

44:23

are devoid of having . They

44:25

don't have enough vitamins and minerals per calorie

44:27

. That's exactly what it is . So you really want to

44:29

be having that whole foods diet , because that's

44:31

when you're going to be getting all of the vitamins and minerals per calorie . That's exactly what it is . So you really want

44:33

to be having that whole foods diet , because that's when you're going to be getting all of the vitamins and minerals and phytonutrients

44:36

and protein that your body

44:38

needs for adequate detoxification

44:41

. So we focus on

44:43

that . We focus on a diet that's really rich

44:45

in the phytonutrients

44:47

that help support detoxification

44:50

. You think about the allium

44:52

vegetables , like the shallots and

44:54

the onions and the garlic , but also

44:56

the vegetables that contain

44:59

the glucosinolates . You brought this up earlier that

45:02

they have glucosinolates that can get converted into sulforaphane

45:04

, which helps the body make glutathione . So that includes

45:07

your cruciferous vegetables , your broccoli

45:09

, cauliflower , cabbage , kale , broccoli sprouts

45:11

, and how critical and important

45:13

those are for helping detox

45:15

pathways . So I always start with food

45:17

. If people need more things

45:19

for support , we might add in some supplements

45:21

like NAC , that helps the body make glutathione

45:24

, or sulforaphane , again , which helps

45:26

the body make glutathione . And

45:28

then I think about all the other ways that we

45:30

detoxify sweating

45:33

whether we're recommending exercise

45:35

with sweating , sauna use , lymphatic

45:38

massage to help with mobilizing

45:40

toxins , pooping regularly

45:43

, making sure they're not constipated , making sure they're

45:45

having a bowel movement every day , lots of

45:47

fiber to support that good

45:49

breath , work for detoxification , as

45:52

I said , clean water all of those real basics

45:54

can make a big difference while

45:56

at the same time we're working to lower the

45:58

toxic load .

46:00

Yeah , like you said , the sweating

46:02

I know when I was first going through my journey

46:04

. I never sweat . I could go in the sauna for

46:06

20 , never sweat . So not good

46:08

. Right , that detox pathway was blocked . If

46:11

I'm constipated , that detox pathway

46:13

is blocked . So you need to really focus the

46:15

lymphatic you just mentioned . People don't really

46:17

know exactly what that

46:19

is and how that feels , but , unlike

46:22

the circulatory system , our blood

46:24

gets pumped around . The only way that lymph can

46:26

get moved around is by , like you said , manual

46:28

massage , movement . This is one of the reasons exercise

46:31

is important moving that body . And exercise

46:33

can be vacuuming your house , going

46:35

up and down the stairs . It doesn't have to be where

46:38

you're going and doing the whole

46:40

aerobic exercise at the gym or something

46:42

. Just movement in general is

46:44

how you get that lymph moving Breathing

46:47

. We've had just the last couple of podcast episodes

46:49

talked about with a postural restoration

46:51

person and somebody who was talking

46:53

about the fascia and

46:55

that diaphragm making sure so much of us

46:57

now we're at death all the time we're hunched over , right

47:00

, and that diaphragm is

47:02

one of the biggest muscles in the body , right

47:04

, it needs to be able to

47:06

move and to stretch and when that

47:08

gets stuck , that's one of the reasons we can have acid

47:11

reflux and all sorts of other chronic

47:13

issues breathing properly . We I've

47:15

been researching lately sleep apnea

47:18

, just if we learn how to breathe properly . Do

47:20

we not have because so many people can't tolerate that

47:22

, c-pap , and I have a laser treatment for it

47:25

. It's not necessarily curative , but it's expensive

47:27

. Hey , our breath , it's free . It's free , we have

47:29

it . If we can utilize that . Learning

47:31

how to breathe properly , that's another way we move that lymph

47:33

, and lymph is where all the kind of toxic

47:35

waste goes , and so we

47:38

need to get that moving so it can get flushed out

47:40

of our bowels . So we've got to get those bowels

47:42

going . Get that movement is absolutely

47:45

vital , right ? So there's

47:47

so many . So that's why going to someplace

47:50

like the ultra wellness where you have all the different

47:52

team members who are supporting

47:54

you because a lot of this can feel very overwhelming

47:56

and , oh my gosh , where do I start ? And then people get so overwhelmed

47:59

they say forget it , I just I can't

48:01

do it . So you have to have the support

48:03

system . It's very vital

48:05

in trying to do okay . Maybe we need

48:07

to do all 10 of these things , but how about we

48:09

just start with one , right ? What's something

48:12

that you can incorporate in

48:14

your daily right now , and maybe

48:16

it's just after dinner . I'm going to go for a third . It's

48:18

starting to get warmer here , but the Northeast maybe

48:21

we have a lot of snow in the last week . Can

48:23

I just go for a 30 minute walk after dinner

48:25

? It's , having a little bit movement after

48:27

you eat is a really great way to

48:29

help digestion and

48:31

moving everything along , especially at nighttime

48:33

, because if we just eat and then go sit on the couch

48:35

and watch TV and then go to bed , sometimes

48:38

that's sitting there and that can lead to other

48:40

problems . Movement , key , key , great

48:43

. So we're going to detox and

48:45

again that nutrition diet has to be the cornerstone

48:48

, as Dr Boham mentioned

48:50

, that we've got to get , and it's challenging . And

48:52

for me , who even who knows what we're supposed

48:54

to do I'm busy working and running around

48:56

with the kids it's a challenge . So for

48:58

me , I try to plan ahead Sunday

49:01

. All right , what's the week look like ? What

49:04

are we going to do for dinner ? Because if I don't plan ahead , then

49:06

I'm going and I'm grabbing something

49:08

that's pre-made or something , or we're going

49:10

out to eat because I'm just tired . It's

49:12

tricky with modern life planning

49:14

ahead and actually I think when you eat a

49:17

whole foods diet it's much less expensive

49:19

. Just going to fast food

49:21

. Today you go to Panera for four people . You're

49:24

almost a hundred dollars . I don't even know how anybody

49:26

can afford to eat out anymore .

49:27

It's 100% and also it's less

49:30

weight . All the studies have shown it's

49:32

less expensive per nutrient when

49:34

you're eating a healthy diet . So people are like

49:37

it's less expensive . It's less expensive to

49:39

eat processed food per calorie

49:41

, but none of us need calories Some

49:44

every once in a while , but most of us just need we're

49:46

deficient in nutrients . So if we're looking

49:48

at what is the cost to get enough zinc

49:50

and the cost to get enough B12 , absolutely

49:53

eating a whole foods diet is less expensive

49:55

and I think people don't appreciate

49:57

that . They're just thinking about the cost

50:00

per calorie and that's not really

50:02

where we need to be focused . That's for sure

50:04

.

50:05

Exactly . Think about we're going to have . Let's

50:07

roast a chicken breast , have a salad

50:10

and have boil up some green beans . One

50:12

takes less than 30 minutes to make

50:14

right . If you've got everything and

50:16

you're getting the whole foods and it's much

50:18

less expensive than going to Burger King

50:20

, I promise you that and then you're not

50:23

getting the toxins , you're getting all

50:25

the nutrients . It's , it's such

50:27

a good bang for your buck's

50:29

yeah , we've been so happy .

50:31

we've been supporting our local , a local

50:33

organic , regenerative farm doing a farm

50:35

share , and it's so fun because every

50:37

week you get new and different vegetables that you may

50:39

not have . When we're talking about , we're going

50:42

to circle back to that diversity at the beginning , right

50:44

, like how important that is sometimes . When

50:46

you get a farm share , then they'll give you different things

50:48

each week and you get to try different things and

50:50

it's organic and it's regenerative . It's good

50:52

for us , it's good for them and it's

50:54

really a fun way to support

50:56

the local farmers of

51:10

miles away .

51:10

So maybe it's organic , but the time it's got to your table it's lost probably

51:12

half , if not more , of the nutritional value . Find your local , go to the local farmer's

51:14

market and one way absolutely

51:16

especially these regenerative farmers . This is the

51:19

future of farming and the future

51:21

to secure our food supply . We've got

51:23

to do some more of this regenerative stuff . We

51:25

raise our own animals right here . We have chickens

51:27

and beef and pigs and it's

51:30

great because we know , okay , this didn't have

51:32

to go , we know how it was raised , we know

51:34

what it was fed and it didn't

51:36

have to travel far . So we're not losing some

51:38

of the nutrition there .

51:39

I have to say my brother and sister saw .

51:40

I do most of the work . I just leave the benefits . So

51:42

I got to give a shout out to them . But yeah , that's such

51:45

a great point and you really will . But

51:47

it does require planning , right , because I

51:49

get it when I'm tired from work . I'm like , oh gosh

51:51

, I didn't do . I have anything in the fridge

51:53

or the freezer that I can pull on . Oh , now I

51:55

got to wait an hour because we don't have a microwave

51:57

in our house so I don't have the defrost

52:00

capability anymore . So , anyway , such such

52:02

awesome points , I hope everyone got

52:05

a lot of great insight here . Is there anything

52:07

as a wrapping up that you want to leave

52:09

our audience with ?

52:10

No , it's really been . It's been a pleasure

52:12

. It's been such a pleasure , dr Carver , being with

52:15

you today and such a pleasure

52:17

working with you with our patients . That's really

52:19

been a lot of fun . I've been learning so much

52:21

, even more in terms of the connection

52:23

with the mouth and overall health , and thanks

52:25

for being a detective with us to

52:27

help our patients . I love it .

52:29

That is my dream is having . I wish we could

52:31

have more and more providers who had

52:33

the time and really , because I think that's

52:35

sometimes where the

52:38

patients they know they need to get this done but they can't

52:40

find the provider , or the one

52:42

provider maybe isn't as supportive . Again

52:44

, one of the reasons we do this podcast is just creating

52:47

awareness and the more I feel that

52:49

the people , the patients , start asking

52:51

for these things , that's how we're going to change

52:54

the tide . All of this information is out

52:56

there . We just need to create more of that

52:58

awareness . So , everyone , if you enjoyed

53:00

this episode , please share it with your friends

53:02

. Tell the world , because we can

53:05

make a difference , but we have to do it together . Thank

53:07

you for your time today and tell us how

53:09

we can find you at the Ultra Wellness Center

53:11

.

53:12

Yes , the Ultra Wellness Center website is ultrawellnesscentercom

53:15

. My personal website is drbohamcom

53:18

, and on Facebook

53:21

and Instagram I'm Elizabeth Boham MD

53:23

, and the Ultra Wellness Center is

53:25

just the Ultra Wellness Center on the social media

53:27

pages . So it was really . It was so

53:29

much fun being with you today . What a great conversation

53:31

. Thank you for having me .

53:33

Well , thank you . It's a pleasure working

53:35

with you guys . All right , everybody . That'll

53:37

wrap up this episode . If you enjoyed

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