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Are we there yet? We

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know who the candidates are, but they're

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still such a long way to go

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until November. And one of the things

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I've noticed about the questions that while

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habits and again as that you're starting

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you think Trump is going to pick for V

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to influence voters? You're asking about different

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people What makes a swing state? Different

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races. I was curious

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how other elections this

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year's senate elections gov

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Congress be affected by

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the fact that this

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year is such a

1:17

high stakes presidential election.

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answering your questions by setting the

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main characters of Twenty Twenty Four

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aside and talking about people who

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candidates, summer officials, and some

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the road to Twenty Twenty Four. Were not

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there yet but we are getting a

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3:43

questions and they're mostly focused about people

3:45

who aren't biden or Trump, but can

3:47

still have a huge impact on this

3:50

race in November, and I figure that

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we could go through some of them.

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4:23

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am now calling a run up tradition work

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in a use the wheel which if people

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don't remember the last time we answered listener

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4:37

talked about what was going on in the

4:39

race, the time and so what I've been

4:42

here is I've kind of you know compiled

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some specific names and that's kind of speak

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to some of the listener questions that we've

4:48

got. but to. Be. Clear and all of these

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the race who are not named. Joe Biden

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4:57

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Kendrick Lamar, Taylor Swift's

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be baldwin. Yeah. I

5:46

mean. I'll take this one. I

5:48

mean, we were just in Wisconsin and

5:50

one of the things that really came

5:52

through which I think it's further reflective,

5:54

And the New York Times polling that

5:56

we got about swing states and battlegrounds

5:58

is that for a lot of them,

6:00

the crowds. There's a lot of good

6:03

signs once you looked underneath the presidential

6:05

level. And so someone like Tammy Baldwin

6:07

is the senator from Wisconsin who was

6:09

running for reelection in his race is

6:11

considered. Pretty. Critical for the hopes

6:13

of democrats trying to hold on to the

6:15

senate. But. In a state like

6:17

Wisconsin, parliament's fans pretty unique see one.

6:19

her last senate race by a significant

6:21

was causing significant margin think was more

6:23

than double digits and then when we

6:25

talk to people this year there every

6:28

once in pretty much agreements that Baldwin

6:30

is in a pretty good position to

6:32

win reelection. And I think that speaks

6:34

to a kind of larger dynamic happening

6:36

right now where if you look at

6:38

the Democratic party to the lens of

6:40

Joe Biden there is all of these

6:43

problems you can talk about and all

6:45

of these signs of dissatisfaction. In the

6:47

Rose and and and when and I

6:49

were and Wisconsin's a couple weeks ago,

6:51

there was a couple we met outside

6:53

of a Walmart and Malachy. Yeah, We

6:56

actually taught them as they were finishing up their shopping. For

6:58

our have long have you been and with thousand the

7:00

you have a long time badger. I'm a long

7:02

time dead to I was born in Wisconsin,

7:04

I love Wisconsin and this lady was a

7:06

very enthusiastic Democrats. She was wearing a pin

7:08

for Climate Change in voting networking about twenty

7:11

hours a week to get out of. Oh.

7:13

Wow Wow. I'm determined

7:15

level that. Are

7:18

my brothers? I'm retired, can't. Be

7:20

tired of us and you

7:23

know. She supported by than that I'm

7:25

aware she really lit up was in

7:27

when we asked her about the down

7:29

ballot possibility it's will be asked her

7:31

about, will be heard from Governing Eve

7:33

or is about a more moderate future.

7:35

For Democrats and Republicans of the

7:37

I wonder what you all think

7:39

of that likes you all think

7:41

that there is or something in

7:43

the air where people want more

7:45

bipartisanship one more modern races? Are

7:47

those corners so rigid that. That.

7:49

Seems like a pipe dream. Where we

7:51

appreciate Tony Versus and thought Tammy

7:53

Baldwin is also running for senate

7:56

again. Her three issues

7:58

as a three Ws for with guns. Wellness

8:01

Water and Work. And.

8:03

So she is trying to his

8:05

at medium message that could have

8:08

to all people and I wish

8:10

you well. Tammy Baldwin I'll be

8:12

supporting and donating to use. And

8:15

the only reason someone like a Baldwin

8:17

can win in the state of Wisconsin

8:19

buy a bigger margin that we typically

8:21

from presidential level is because there's some

8:24

people who are willing the crossover and

8:26

vote for a republican and someone like

8:28

her arm for that as a democratic

8:31

senator. and so she does better and

8:33

rural communities than we seen a lot

8:35

of democrats typically do, keeps the margins

8:37

fairly low in suburbs that are considered

8:40

armed republicans and then a along with

8:42

that motivates a democratic base. Problems.

8:45

Up by nine percent in the latest

8:47

New York Times poses forty nine percent

8:49

of registered voters and have the only

8:51

has forty if you're up I nine

8:53

percent in Wisconsin. That's basically a blow

8:55

out, at least at this stage. And

8:57

so when you're seeing Republicans really focus

8:59

their synod efforts and places other than

9:01

with concepts that sort of a tacit

9:03

recognition that Baldwin as a candidate and

9:05

the Democratic Party there as pretty much

9:07

position someone to have an individual brand

9:09

outside of what we think of as

9:11

the problems with the National Democratic Party.

9:14

Just a probably. Applies to more in a

9:16

candidates than just pod. When I'm thinking about

9:18

like the testers of the world. He

9:21

does. It does absolutely. And there's

9:23

another element of those Baldwin race

9:25

ancestors. Race is the Democratic senator

9:27

representing Montana, which is a pretty

9:29

red states that has sent him

9:31

back to the senate ten again.

9:33

although he has let's get a

9:35

the it's has that all up

9:37

this year. But another element that

9:39

both of their races have in

9:41

common is this is the kind

9:43

of Republicans that they're running against.

9:45

Man. This. Year: Republicans

9:47

really tried to recruit

9:50

well see candidates who

9:52

could put a lot

9:54

of money into their

9:56

own races but aren't

9:59

super. Dead on a

10:01

national stage. Eric have the who

10:03

Tammy Baldwin is running against in

10:05

Wisconsin is one of these types

10:07

of candidates Timothy see He who

10:09

tester is running against in Montana

10:11

is another on and so were

10:13

in Twenty Twenty two. There were

10:15

some like really messy republican primaries

10:18

and sometimes the kid is it

10:20

that emerged from those wasn't seen

10:22

as the most like electable. This

10:24

time a republican party got a

10:26

lot of the candidates that they

10:28

wanted but now they're starting. To

10:30

find that because the As Republicans

10:33

aren't super tested not so much

10:35

was known about them. They're happy

10:37

to contend with some like stories

10:39

that don't make these candidates for

10:42

great learning experience. Yeah, they're

10:44

inexperienced, their new, their untested and

10:46

that may also be what's at

10:48

play here with Tammy Baldwin Sig

10:50

lead on and we'll see how

10:52

that plays out in Montana in

10:54

Ohio where Sherrod Brown is trying

10:56

to hold the democrats see their

10:58

in a pretty red states and

11:00

some other shoe. And his. You

11:03

know, I think back to what Mitch Mcconnell

11:05

was saying in the Twenty Twenty Two midterms

11:07

about candidate qualities. We were talking about it

11:09

so much in relationship to Donald Trump, but

11:12

it's really the story going forward and overall

11:14

so that's the challenge Republicans have is even

11:16

if you know perv, the New York Times

11:18

Battleground Polling Donald Trump is leading and several

11:21

of those battleground states we did not see

11:23

that translates to Senate and other candidates lower

11:25

on the ballot. That could tell you that

11:27

and makes it easy for Biden the make

11:30

up. That room. By. That's really

11:32

not the full story here. The other story

11:34

is that the people running in those states

11:36

have individual brands that it's been harder for

11:38

Republicans to really tarnished at this point. Yeah.

11:41

Okay, let's keep rolling.

11:45

Spending. Ssssss

11:57

the next. Hogan

12:00

just some allegedly day but. Since. You

12:02

actually spent the day with him for your news. Stories

12:04

your it's ah. So Larry Hogan

12:06

was the very popular Governor of

12:09

Maryland. He was elected and Twenty

12:11

Sports Team handily reelected and Twenty

12:13

a T. And he is a

12:15

republican who managed to make himself

12:17

really popular in a deeply state

12:19

in large part by. there are

12:21

a lot of reasons first popularity

12:24

but one of them is that

12:26

as Trump rose and Twenty Six

12:28

T and Hogan made it very

12:30

clear that he wanted nothing to

12:32

do with him, he didn't support.

12:34

Him and sixteen and once

12:36

from became President, Hogan repeatedly

12:38

clashed with him and much

12:41

like we talked about how

12:43

democrats like Tammy Baldwin of

12:45

distance themselves from the National

12:47

Democratic France, Hogan did that

12:49

with the National Republican brand.

12:51

However, he is now running

12:53

for Senate and. This.

12:55

Race is really gonna be a

12:57

test of whether a prominent Trump

13:00

critics a guy has really made

13:02

himself out to be kind of

13:04

One is a more prominent never

13:06

trump earth in republican politics right

13:09

now. If there's any path forward

13:11

for someone like that, even. In

13:13

a deeply. States He decided earlier

13:15

this year to jump into the

13:17

Senate race after kind of flirting

13:20

with the idea of running for

13:22

President ah possibly on the No

13:24

Labels ticket was she also mutely

13:26

decided not to do former. Of

13:28

just we talking about that. Yes, Yes,

13:30

absolutely so. So the weeks at

13:32

a Senate and border deal collapsed,

13:34

he got a call from George

13:37

W. Bush saying please run for

13:39

Senate, we need your voice Kind

13:41

of like almost like it's like

13:43

to to figures he represents. It's

13:45

kind of bygone era of republican

13:47

politics, saying less, get the band

13:50

back together and and see if

13:52

we could do something going forward.

13:54

So he decided to run and

13:56

the question is gonna be can

13:58

someone like him. Who. The left

14:00

office with seventy seven percent approval

14:03

ratings on back at the beginning

14:05

of Twenty Twenty Three convince them

14:07

moderates. And Independence and Democrats

14:10

of Maryland to vote for

14:12

him. And I think it's

14:14

gonna be really tough going

14:16

because. Voters. In Maryland want

14:18

there to be checks and

14:20

balances on the power of

14:22

Trump should he be president

14:24

a second time and I

14:26

think they're going to be

14:28

really move to give republicans

14:30

another vote in the senate.

14:32

So as much as Hogan

14:34

has. Built. His own reputation

14:37

In Maryland, he is going to

14:39

be running against Trump and the

14:41

idea of Trump's power as much

14:44

as he is against the democrat

14:46

who will be. Running against him. Yeah,

14:48

I thought it was interesting that Larry Hogan

14:50

even got in the senate race, considering that

14:53

when we were talking last time. He.

14:55

Was so. Frankly, Paint

14:57

by the Idea. Of

15:00

the price of where the Republican party

15:02

has gone. Like. When you talk

15:04

to him. How. Was he trying

15:06

to. Wrestle with. His.

15:10

Kind. Of consisting criticism of a

15:12

republican party while now existing in

15:14

In and a candidate were. So

15:18

I six a whole give

15:20

it away like hope. Springs

15:22

eternal. Yell He told me that

15:24

he comes from what he calls the

15:26

Republican wing of the Republican party. Yeah

15:29

yeah, yeah, he. Says that he understands

15:31

that Trump controls the party but

15:33

he thinks that see it can

15:35

be a reasonable republican to kind

15:37

of like bring common sense back

15:39

to the party and he is

15:41

right there He is talking about

15:43

going back right? He's talking about

15:45

going backwards. He something about the

15:47

encouraged with that he gets from

15:49

George W. Bush and it's just

15:51

not clear to me how these

15:54

figures see the path forward and

15:56

I don't know who is is

15:58

gonna work but it's it's. It's

16:00

lot of of. I mean. We

16:02

have asked the never trump republicans. What?

16:05

Is the plan at this point?

16:07

Like. For years.

16:09

Like Like For years.

16:12

Of we've been waiting on this sort of plant. And one thing

16:14

that I don't give. The keeps being

16:16

this like. Point. Down the

16:18

road, right. The plan is all once he

16:20

loses. and twenty twenty, the party's gonna move

16:23

on. Or as then, that twenty twenty primary.

16:25

this gonna move on. Or when there's a

16:27

conviction, there's gonna move on and. More.

16:29

So than me saying that that's an impossible

16:32

thing happened at this point. journalistically, it's a

16:34

thing we have no evidence of half a

16:36

day as I'm like. For

16:38

Larry Hogan. What? Are you

16:40

pointing to to say. That

16:42

the Republican electorate is looking for

16:44

a non Trump opposite. And

16:47

that that lane has shown harder

16:49

and harder to actualize. Then.

16:52

That is true and work. So we know that

16:54

there's donors were anti Trump's We know that there's

16:56

individual voters who are anti Trump. We did a

16:58

you know an episode fully about folks who did

17:00

one of oh for Trump's you know, some of

17:02

which were with the Santas and some of which

17:04

were with Haley. But when you ask, both of

17:06

them, are you willing to give up on your

17:08

principles in order to stop Trump? And

17:10

join together. Said answer was no. right?

17:13

And so I'm like. I. Don't know.

17:15

What? The Republican Coalition looks like

17:18

going ahead with out Trump. And.

17:20

If you're Larry Hogan. Yeah. Know

17:22

you kind of neat that to emerge,

17:24

friends. After

17:31

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so the next name is Kendrick

19:32

Lamar. Assess Assess Ah, I just

19:34

I got this live. As a

19:36

long time kung fu Timmy fans

19:38

I you know it's been a

19:40

real couple weeks here, but I

19:43

think on the specific political angle

19:45

we are talking about something that

19:47

happened. Last. Week. Where it's

19:49

is that in the wake of

19:51

Kendrick Lamar's very famous feud with

19:53

Drake which has now come and

19:55

gone as Drake has accepted his

19:57

very obvious l ah. Ah,

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thing been about clinics that if they played

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they play Kendrick Lamar's he Forgets His Tracks

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20:27

the think I think this larger than

20:29

you know tins of Lamar or or

20:32

anything else. I think this also speaks

20:34

to the kind of like pop culture

20:36

moments. And how are campaigns try to

20:38

see themselves as a both ah policy

20:40

and politics, ah entities but also ones

20:42

that are looking the go viral and

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Thompson create just as much as anything

20:47

else. I mean you've seen this in

20:49

the way that the binding campaign is.

20:51

Use tic toc to try to jump

20:53

on latest trends even if Congress passes

20:55

legislate sense that could result. In the

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banning of the app, but it's feals.

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and way to drive headlines. this is

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the new version of earned media that

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you know more than a singular television

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ad. These. Campaigns are also looking

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21:17

recently listen to an interview with

21:19

abiding Campaigns Vigital Director and he

21:21

was saying really explicitly how you

21:23

know they have the prioritize more

21:25

traditional media in favor of China.

21:27

Make sure that they find themselves

21:30

in the places that people are

21:32

going that are less interested in

21:34

politics as I think we can

21:36

see these things like this tracked

21:38

a tick tock, Viral thirsty. Miss

21:40

Content as part of that. But.

21:42

I also think like you know my

21:45

brain also thinks back to and Twenty

21:47

Twenty when democrats got a lot of

21:49

flak for how are they you know

21:52

now to Kente Cloth after the murder

21:54

of George Floyd and that kind of

21:56

seems like an inauthentic message for this

21:58

party to be. Delivering, I think

22:01

back to when Hillary Clinton says that

22:03

she had hot sauce in her bag.

22:05

Ask their beyond say formation video and

22:07

for the record I'm pretty certain we

22:10

couldn't actually did love hot sauce and

22:12

the was legitimately cancer ban came off

22:14

and it became this kind of likes.

22:17

It became just like moments that supposedly

22:19

encapsulated the party's relationships to blackness and

22:21

black culture. So many did the Donald

22:23

Trump this and relationship with Kendrick Lamar's

22:26

Euphoria track last week's The huge response

22:28

on line was about. Oh, here

22:30

they go again. trying to use stuff for

22:32

both. It went viral in a somewhat negative

22:35

random on characterize the whole responses, that's But

22:37

that was a lot of the responses, and

22:39

I do think that that's something that's in

22:41

that air. There's a very thin line between

22:44

leaning into pop culture and coming off as

22:46

an authentic, particularly when the candidate at the

22:48

top of the tickets is eighty one years

22:50

old, right? No one in here. No one

22:53

in both countries thinks that Joe Biden actually

22:55

knows what's happening in the Kendrick Lamar, Drake.

22:57

The and some of that's okay, right? They

22:59

understand. It's a campaign, and voters

23:02

understand that. But I think

23:04

there is a sense that

23:06

political parties have only dealt

23:08

with our community, that the

23:10

margins really. Without. Any

23:12

substance. And. So I think

23:14

that that's what you know. These

23:16

moments kind of exemplify is the

23:18

tough road that campaigns have in

23:20

terms of trying to speak in

23:22

an authentic language to communities that

23:24

don't feel like they have represented

23:26

them. Ah, this is often

23:28

true around what type of events people

23:30

do in. I've seen like people

23:32

try to have taco trucks for Latino

23:35

voters. Like is that responding to

23:37

a legitimate desire? Or is that a

23:39

panda. And I think the line between

23:41

that is just if it comes off as

23:43

authentic, and if just if it feels like

23:46

it's in the natural language of the candidate

23:48

in campaign. And right now you

23:50

know I think that's hard to say for

23:52

Biden Aura Trump, right? Like when Trump

23:54

engages with those communities everyone knows it's a

23:56

photo of fry of I Expect Cdc. Very.

23:59

He very true. Here at least deals

24:01

very disposable. He with these communities blessings democrats

24:03

try to do is try to make it

24:05

seem deeper. I just I'm not there. Are

24:07

we succeed right? Absolutely. And don't let the

24:10

by to get by with Mccain the rest

24:12

of get through the bars. Weird because if

24:14

that's Lilith truth is that you could spend

24:16

a democratic and citizen of of that. it's

24:18

assistance and. Ah,

24:20

let's have that. The

24:33

next name is Judged. can and ah destiny help

24:36

us out here. Yeah, absolutely So

24:38

Judge Irene Ten and is

24:40

the judge overseeing Chance Florida

24:42

trial related to the Mar

24:44

A log out and who

24:46

can forget those photos of

24:48

the documents in the bathroom,

24:50

the classified documents that federal

24:52

investigators asked for repeatedly and

24:54

he would not give back

24:56

and eventually were taken from

24:58

his house at in a

25:00

raid on. So there have

25:02

been a lot of things

25:04

this has happened in Trump's

25:06

trials. Where he just

25:09

kind of seems to get

25:11

lucky break after lucky break.

25:13

and one of those lucky

25:15

breaks was dead. Cnn Being

25:17

assigned to oversee this trial

25:20

after she had previously made

25:22

some favorable rulings to Trump

25:24

that really made you know

25:26

high seas and legal observers

25:28

raise their eyebrows to appointed

25:30

her to the federal bench

25:32

is relatively inexperienced us for

25:35

being a federal judge. And

25:37

just about a week ago see is

25:39

it a decision delaying the start as

25:42

his trial? She had officially had a

25:44

May twentieth trial start dates and she

25:46

is. is this ruling that basically said

25:48

there is just too much stuff to

25:51

work thrills before we can start this

25:53

trial. So I mean this: graph the

25:55

trial delay and not even seventy one

25:57

because we just don't Now. The

26:00

moment with a real victory for

26:02

Trump because once again at his

26:05

lawyers strategy to just delay and

26:07

delay and delay his trial, throw

26:09

all kinds of motions at the

26:12

judges in the trials on. Has

26:15

has worked. Yeah, I mean I think

26:17

back so much to the episode to

26:19

be dead late last year. I'll call

26:21

his Trump going to prison at that

26:23

time. It seems like his January six

26:26

trials will be starting first and that

26:28

that was the one and was Trump

26:30

lawyers least want it to happen before

26:32

the elections and arm and the one

26:34

release worried about was this New York

26:36

taste and we've seen it develop over

26:39

the several months where the New York

26:41

cases the one that's taking place And

26:43

while historic. It does seem like

26:45

a big victory for Trump. That.

26:48

Be beings that seems most politically threatening

26:50

be the case in Georgia this case

26:52

in Florida would such can and or

26:54

the other federal case on January six

26:57

are now as he say very unlikely

26:59

to happen before November. A lot of

27:01

polling tells us that some voters would

27:03

say is down from was convicted of

27:06

a crime before November could change their

27:08

feeling about them but we don't really

27:10

have answers on if that depended on

27:12

which trial with first as I think

27:15

it's an open question about whether whatever

27:17

happens. In New York actually changes his

27:19

political future. but what is on question?

27:22

Is. The. Donald Trump Legal

27:24

Team and Political Team. Wanted.

27:26

To delay these trials particular till

27:28

after he was the officially nominated

27:30

Republicans per the Rnc convention and

27:32

to delay them after the November

27:34

General election where they think the

27:36

heat and when and would be

27:38

much harder to prosecute can make

27:40

the sitting President. And both

27:42

of those delays. Are.

27:45

Seeming. To be things that my come to

27:47

fruition. Ah

28:00

right, Salem's Sms the Princess of

28:02

Pop or sell ssssss Mrs. Assess

28:05

as a lot of words, are

28:07

you okay with that? Because this

28:09

has come up in the last

28:11

couple months As we remember around

28:13

the Superbowl types, there was an

28:15

idea pushed by some Republicans that

28:18

Taylor Swift was being intentionally kind

28:20

of blotting out all of pop

28:22

culture because she was a liberal

28:24

who had previously endorsed by then

28:26

and that they were setting her

28:28

up to be one of. The

28:30

most impactful celebrity endorsers of the

28:32

Twenty Twenty Four Election. Now there's

28:34

an open question about the impact

28:36

of celebrity endorsements in general, but

28:38

if anyone may matter in this

28:40

race it is likely to be

28:43

the person who's every utterance seems

28:45

to be news and ah and

28:47

seems to be at the center

28:49

of American pop culture. And ah,

28:51

we were thinking about this actually

28:53

when we were as see pack

28:55

and Talk To Jack for so

28:57

Big who was one of the

28:59

Trump supporting commentators with famously. Popularized

29:01

other conspiracies like Pizza Gates,

29:03

and has dabbled in really

29:06

kind of messy, icky stuff.

29:09

But. Was one of people pushing this idea?

29:11

That. Taylor Swift was a democratic party

29:13

or plants frankly and we ask them

29:15

about it. Last was a habit like

29:17

we've also blown up as like that

29:19

Taylor Swift's guys who what how that

29:21

the summer M V really think they

29:23

were with a part of a government

29:26

conspiracy whatever city for the government conspiracy

29:28

the other people have said thing that

29:30

made you know me that added on

29:32

to what I said. What I said

29:34

was that a that the biden and

29:36

been mugged by the campaign was unsafe

29:38

and the Democrats would be very smart

29:40

to work towards. Getting an endorsement and

29:42

actually I was talking about ballot harvesting.

29:45

ah using Taylor said as he has

29:47

in the past without them of these

29:49

calls for voter registrations endorsed by Harrison.

29:51

The past. That being said though because

29:53

people that whoa are you attacking gel

29:55

or citizen and attacking shows up. In

29:58

fact I would love for telescope. The

30:00

come to see back the sweaty and

30:02

com as well fully open door if

30:04

they wanna get on board because they've

30:07

seen the policies of this administration and

30:09

they know the four years ago was

30:11

better for I think in that we

30:13

hear some of the recognition of Taylor

30:16

Swift's importance in part in kind of

30:18

power in pop culture and a real

30:20

our understanding that some of these people

30:22

who have such platforms tens rise big

30:25

interests. I remember when Taylor Swift's weeded

30:27

out that vote.org registration think I'm ever

30:29

beyond say endorsing. Beddoe right before

30:31

that Us Senate race in Texas,

30:33

and I think particularly in the

30:35

Trump years of Twenty sixteen to

30:37

twenty, there was a lot of

30:39

pressure on pop him seekers and

30:41

concerts to speak out more about

30:43

politics. I one time interview Le

30:45

Bron James about his efforts with

30:47

more than the both to really

30:49

push voter registration and they were

30:51

also during a campaign to have

30:53

people work as poll workers and

30:56

that was actually fairly successful. You

30:58

saw likes Battleground States really have.

31:00

An influx of poll workers partially because

31:02

of the attention that was placed on

31:04

this now bothers open ton of questions

31:06

around how much celebrity endorsers moved the

31:08

literal needle in terms of votes. I

31:11

do think they can be reflective. Of.

31:13

A larger calls for a moment

31:16

where people in the spotlight. Galvanize.

31:19

Others to point their attention at

31:21

politics. and if we go farther,

31:23

I do think there was some.

31:25

and twenty sixteen to twenty some

31:27

galvanizing around anti Trump miss to

31:29

say that this was an America

31:31

that this in represent larger values.

31:33

I wonder if celebrities and people

31:35

who are going to be willing

31:37

to step in it and the

31:39

same way. And twenty twenty fourth,

31:41

you know the wins around that

31:43

stuff have changed the little the

31:45

current democratic president is pretty unpopular.

31:47

there's pressure. Around whether you're going to

31:49

speak out about things like our international

31:51

conflicts or even some domestic issues and

31:54

the same way that I think that.

31:56

Anti Trump Miss was a safe space for a

31:58

lot of celebrities. The land in a

32:01

more liberal Hollywood's It's gotten a little

32:03

more complicated than that, and so you

32:05

know Taylor Swift and very well. Baker,

32:07

Biden Harris Twenty Twenty cookies again for

32:09

years later. And maybe that counts as

32:12

the same level of endorsements, but I

32:14

bet you have. See, where did you

32:16

that this time? People that some more

32:18

questions. And I think that is

32:20

a kind of thing that's happening furtively

32:22

among celebrities. Is there's been of our

32:25

i feel as a retrenchment from Social

32:27

Justice as part of Brand, partially to

32:29

avoid some of those questions. What do

32:31

think? Just like the think by the

32:33

end of this we get like you

32:36

know superstars for by their north or

32:38

even on the other side. I think

32:40

about the ways that Trump has you

32:42

know, low way called I Black lot

32:44

of like rap endorsers Tiny West famously

32:47

Like How much do we think? The

32:49

Hollywood. Ecosystem is gonna play in

32:51

this presidential race. I

32:53

think that sets as. Good

32:55

as survey said an important point

32:57

like I think the reason that

33:00

see his cell. In else sought

33:02

after his yet see his. See is

33:04

so famous. But I think a big part

33:06

of the reason that see a suicide after

33:08

for the Biden campaign is like this is

33:10

a year where the same two guys are

33:12

running against each other voters and know who

33:14

Trump is. They know what he's like, They

33:16

know who biden as they know what he's

33:19

like and it's Sunni. Them Sea ice. Exactly.

33:21

he nice sized that he also

33:24

needs that as since this Oleksyn

33:26

needs her and less on like

33:28

convincing persuadable voters, convincing swing voters

33:31

to come out for Biden or

33:33

Trump than it is in persuading

33:36

low propensity voters, people who have

33:38

not voted for, for people who

33:40

are feeling kind of apathetic about

33:43

the less sense to to come

33:45

out and sell. And I think

33:47

that's where a figure like Taylor

33:50

Swift could be seen. As helpful

33:52

lesson convincing people who are

33:54

considering Trump to go for

33:56

biden and more just in

33:58

convincing people. Sure they were

34:00

gonna vote or what. really thinking about it and

34:03

kind of putting it on their radar and getting

34:05

them out. One thing that

34:07

Donald Trump is pitching quite explicitly

34:09

in this campaign is a rejection

34:11

of elites. And. When

34:14

the I would say it I would be interested

34:16

in about celebrity endorsers. Is.

34:18

If the tenor in the air. Is

34:21

to intentionally provoke a class of

34:23

people who has not been responses.

34:25

There's a part of the Trump

34:27

premise. That kind of immune. To.

34:29

This because one, he's kind of the biggest

34:32

celebrity of all. And. But to.

34:34

I think what he's pitching. Is.

34:38

To say ask you to that class

34:40

of people And so thats the mood

34:43

the electorate is Ann. Taylor.

34:45

Swift will now overcome. Isn't. Isn't

34:47

yeah? Are I Last but

34:49

not least, Community

34:59

activists. Crickets was.

35:06

A fourteen month old

35:08

wire haired pointer belonging to

35:10

Kristi Noem who is

35:12

now the Governor of

35:14

South Dakota who met her

35:17

untimely end in a

35:19

gravel pit after a

35:21

failed hunt. On and

35:23

we know about this. Not because

35:25

anybody asks Chrissy down if she

35:27

had ever saw her own dog

35:29

in a gravel pit. On know

35:32

We know that this because she

35:34

told us he put it in

35:36

her memoir for all the world

35:38

to see the story of her

35:40

euthanizing her own fourteen month old

35:42

dog and a billy goats who

35:44

is unnamed. For good measure.

35:47

Wait so I've only tangentially fall

35:49

of the story why to Kristi

35:51

Noem tiller dog and why might

35:54

imagine. She

35:56

killed her dog Cricket because she

35:59

had cheated. God in it had

36:01

come to her from a different home where

36:03

cricket had had a heater or problems. And

36:07

Gnome goes out with some

36:09

visitors on this hunt with

36:11

some of her kind of

36:13

more experienced dogs. And the

36:16

dog cricket and and cricket

36:18

is just. Bad. At this,

36:20

I guess it is important if you

36:22

will are a hunting dog to like

36:24

not run after the birds too soon

36:26

as I have not scare them. Out

36:29

of the footage was or that for the life

36:31

of are no doubt. So apparently

36:33

Cricket scared up all these birds

36:35

before the hunters could get into

36:37

range. The day of hunting was

36:39

ruined and on her way back

36:41

with with cricket see loaded a

36:43

bunch of these dogs into the

36:45

back of her truck in kennels.

36:47

Cricket did not have a can.

36:49

Also, Cricket wasn't restrained to south

36:52

of her neighbor's house. Cricket jumps

36:54

out and like kills all these

36:56

chickens belonging to her neighbor and

36:58

then known decides that that this

37:00

dog is untrainable cannot be six.

37:02

And she takes her get new

37:05

and her gun to a gravel

37:07

pit and and kills or. Or

37:09

the governor South Dakota kills her

37:11

dog for being mildly annoying. I'm.

37:15

A lot of like. Why

37:17

does that matter? For November? Well.

37:20

Donald. Trump once said he could

37:23

shoot someone on Says Avenue. And.

37:25

It wouldn't matter. And it

37:27

turns out that that privilege is

37:30

not extended necessarily see while the

37:32

people that he is considering for

37:34

vice president so he is known

37:36

is one of the Sig years

37:38

has been in the makes his

37:40

talked about as a possible vice

37:43

presidential nominee for him on sees

37:45

it kind of combat as. Governor

37:47

of South Dakota since a very

37:49

specific about it feels like a

37:51

job about in. This is is

37:54

it. Out combat as ah, murderous said

37:56

dog However you are but it says

37:58

see the brass computer. South Dakota.

38:00

She's been very, very loyal

38:03

to Trump's is always talked

38:05

in, Op's is always kind

38:07

of backed him to the

38:09

hilt, and this story, which

38:12

just didn't seem to go

38:14

away widely resonated. and her

38:16

likelihood of being chosen for

38:18

his vice presidential pick was

38:21

not that high to begin

38:23

with. But.

38:25

Whatever chance she has, Ah

38:27

from our reporting seems to

38:29

have. Dimmed further. Yeah, I

38:31

mean she's been on television

38:33

china explain the dog away

38:35

over the last couple weeks,

38:37

and in doing so, has

38:39

only dog the pit deeper.

38:41

Ah, rather, thank god the

38:43

gravel pit. Rest. In Peace

38:45

Cricket Even deeper do we know

38:48

who the absence of Vice President

38:50

Trump is more likely to pick

38:52

instead of Gov. Know? Yeah,

38:54

so when I think about

38:56

the kind of options that

38:58

Trump has in front of

39:00

him, that for Vice President,

39:02

I'm thinking about like a

39:04

seal, different categories. There's a group

39:07

of kind of political veterans, not

39:09

people who com with more

39:11

experience, people who come with their

39:14

own constituency. Somebody like Sen. Tim

39:16

Scott. As South Carolina, he

39:18

ran for President Trump, and Scott

39:20

kind of never really locked horns

39:23

during that. Primary they never really

39:25

thought with. Each other directly. Ah, Scott

39:27

was very careful to not make some man.

39:30

He. Was he was very careful to

39:32

not make Trump mad and some

39:34

other people who I think fall

39:36

into that category of political veterans

39:38

of someone like Sen. Marco Rubio

39:40

of Florida who might be seen

39:42

as like a little bit more

39:44

as a palatable to slightly more

39:46

moderate voters figure on the ticket.

39:48

Whether there's an actual swing voter

39:50

who would be swayed by Marco

39:52

Rubio presence on the ticket I

39:54

I I don't know, but that

39:56

kind of would be the theory.

39:58

Their job at least. The Phonic

40:00

is another political veteran who really

40:02

has switched her wagon to Trump,

40:04

has transformed from more of a

40:07

republican moderate to someone who just

40:09

kind of blasts out his message

40:11

at every turn and then you

40:13

can sink more about kind of

40:15

the second category than that, That

40:17

that I think of is like

40:19

that. The Trump and Loyalists, someone

40:22

like Jays aunts who initially in

40:24

his career as a writer, was

40:26

pretty critical of Trump and has

40:28

really just. Utterly transformed and

40:30

made himself someone who defends Trump

40:32

at every turn. Ah, Sarah Sanders.

40:34

She is now Governor of Arkansas.

40:36

She was one of Trump's press

40:39

secretaries during his presidency and so

40:41

it was literally her job to

40:43

go out, talk to the media

40:45

about him, talk about how great

40:47

he was, how loyal she was.

40:49

See him on any group of

40:51

kind of like younger, up and

40:53

coming, it tight, say gears and

40:55

that someone like Representative Byron Donald's

40:57

of Florida on he's a. Second

40:59

term Congress man. He is one

41:02

of not a lot of black

41:04

republicans in the house on so

41:06

he could bring some racial diversity

41:09

to the ticket at a time

41:11

when Trump is trying to ah.

41:13

Make inroads with. Black and

41:16

Latino voters on and then there's also

41:18

some of my to Zach Ramaswamy Who?

41:20

Who? you. Made. A

41:22

name for himself in the primary

41:24

by being Trump to point out

41:27

in away and never ever say

41:29

anything bad about about former President

41:31

Trump's and so ah so yeah.

41:34

So they get about the veterans,

41:36

the wireless and the up and

41:38

comers X Generation. Sensors that

41:40

but not the dog. Taylor

41:43

Swift. The probably. Not the dod

41:45

killers although I was talking to her

41:47

colleague my bender last week and he

41:49

says you know Trump loves a redemption

41:51

story. He loves when people come to

41:53

him and kind of say I did

41:55

something that was Roger I am still

41:57

with you add So it an hour.

42:00

Whatever, but it seems unlikely.

42:02

I did see a have something

42:04

on the Vp search around the

42:06

idea that Trump will be considering

42:08

Nikki Haley. Ah, that.

42:11

Was. Immediately squash down by Trump.

42:13

What? Happened there. So

42:16

that was very interesting because

42:18

whatever the possibilities the I

42:20

have to run through really

42:22

do is reach a constituency

42:24

the Trump has a problem

42:26

with and that is. Moderate.

42:29

Voters right? like like going back

42:31

to the kind of Larry Hogan

42:33

ask Republicans of the world's there

42:35

are not enough of them to.

42:37

Run. The party there are not

42:39

enough of them to to have

42:42

their pack become the presidential nominee.

42:44

For there's enough of them. The Saints: his presidential

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campaign. Exactly. Exactly. And

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so were he to look at

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Nikki Haley who said while she

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was running for President that she

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was not running for vice President

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that she wasn't interested. Were he

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to look at her he would

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be finding a way to tensely

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to bring along the in some

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cases twenty Twenty five, thirty percent

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sometimes even more of republican voters

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in sixties who were backing her

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who didn't like Trump who are

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uncomfortable with has tended to see

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that. Liked the way she kind

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of just throw back to as

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a pre trump tradition of republicans

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so are. You can see I they

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and help each other solve some of their

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problems. Tried provides her a sort of future

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or See provides them an outlet to voters

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who are currently ah luke warm with him.

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said on to sell so she's not under

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consideration. Yes, Trump said I'm to

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social she's not under consideration. There's a

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lot of. Bad. Blood there. Ah.

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going back to Taylor Swift. And

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and and. He. May or never

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ever getting back together. They. Are never

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ever getting back together? exactly?

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I'm just thank you. So Mods I

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you know this was. We how far

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and I think we're gonna help tech as

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a lot of boxes around the people who

44:04

might matter in this race besides by than

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trump and it's also just been hanging out

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so thank you for joining the run up

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and I can't wait so we have more

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listener questions and we can do this another

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dinner party with all the people we just talked about. Success

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Breaking News this morning. President

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Biden moments ago. Thou any.

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Seven. And again in

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September. Some details

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are still being worked out, including

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format and the choice of moderator.

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to head matchups without their party

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presumptive major party nominees are polluting

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against them. Meanwhile,

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an incoming face to face as the man who.

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Gov. Larry Hogan in November?

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