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Twenty years ago. To Political

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Pollsters Published a book. That

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sounded like a romantic comedy. What?

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Women really warm. It.

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Was written by Kelly and Karma a

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republican and so when the Lake A

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democrat. And. I had a simple

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premise. That political

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parties needed to take seriously that particular

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concerns of women who make up more

1:01

than fifty percent of the electorate. More

1:04

poised to become the country's dominant voting block.

1:08

Part of taking them seriously, they

1:10

argue, was recognizing that women voters

1:12

value integrity much more the male

1:15

voters. But this

1:17

week. As a jury in

1:19

Manhattan deliberate about whether Donald Trump engaged

1:21

in a criminal skinny to silence an

1:23

adult film stars account of a sexual

1:26

encounter that he feared will cost him

1:28

the Twenty Sixteen election, I found myself

1:30

wanting to return to the authors of

1:32

that book. And to it's

1:35

assumptions. Because. A lot

1:37

has changed since Two Thousand and Five. For

1:40

instance, news. Of charms conduct

1:42

with women like the Access Hollywood

1:44

tape did not cost him the

1:47

election. In fact, he outperforms with

1:49

why women. Also

1:51

bro was overturned

1:53

and. In. The years since

1:56

they teamed up to write that book Kelly

1:58

and Conway and so Linda Lake. I

2:00

become leading figures within their respective

2:02

political parties. Carloway played

2:05

a major role in getting Trump

2:07

elected and sixteen a late was

2:09

one of Bidens lead posters. And

2:11

Twenty Twenty. So

2:13

this week. I wanted to bring

2:15

Lake and Todd way back together for an

2:18

updated book. Top of sorts. And

2:21

ask. Has their understanding of

2:23

female voters changed since Two Thousand

2:25

and five? And do they still

2:27

agree on what women really want

2:29

when it's only for. From

2:32

the New York Times. I miss that Herndon.

2:36

This is a runner. I'm

2:42

can you both introduce yourselves and will start

2:45

with cylinder. And cylinder like

2:47

and the democratic. Pollster or to

2:49

on the biden even were done

2:51

abiding Human Twenty Twenty and I

2:53

had the great privilege and fun

2:55

of writing a book with Kelly

2:57

and Conway. And what leaning really

2:59

want? And I'm telling

3:01

a Republican pollster, Added

3:04

our team Fortress L L C

3:06

A longtime friend and colleague. Going.

3:09

To lead and I wrote a book in two thousand

3:11

Five Cause what women really want helping them with? Think

3:13

Elizabeth about sex and run out and buy it and

3:15

been. Killed

3:19

his email pulsars target about different kind

3:21

of figure. Yeah, I

3:23

guess I wanted the origin story. Tell you I

3:25

can you tell me how this came together and

3:27

what you were trying to topless. Flips.

3:30

And I knew each other. In

3:32

an industry polling which at the

3:35

time I think even still as

3:37

relatively few women. Who thought

3:39

we kept running into each other on

3:41

the set? a television were. In

3:43

speeches that we were asked to give

3:45

army found that we clicked. Personally,

3:48

I always like to say I hope that for

3:51

Linda succeed wildly and everything she works on doesn't.

3:53

On as the chest. That

3:56

same terms as women in my life has

3:58

always been. Complaining that I'm

4:01

working harder. Than. Most.

4:03

Of the rest of us and I've always

4:05

respected her work. And the idea

4:07

for a book. Came. To be

4:09

because we are. Discussing.

4:11

Data. A Sexy Women

4:13

and being affected by women particularly

4:16

and the political arena. Again

4:18

and again. and of course we can

4:20

agree on the data. We just disagree

4:22

on the strategy about how to messages

4:24

or how to. Compel.

4:26

Different Boulder Co worker to support in

4:28

my case, Republican party and eventually Donald

4:30

Trump adjoining sixteen and fond of case

4:33

of course the Democratic party and the

4:35

many candidates as she has worked for

4:37

I think most recently and most. Of

4:39

robustly President Biden. I think he has

4:41

an abiding one in large part. And

4:43

twenty twenty because of Flinders advice and

4:45

the decades that got hurt. To.

4:48

Do that on my point. I'll make on

4:50

as an excellent and I are seen as

4:52

political posters but I think our gifts is

4:54

really that were cultural anthropologist. We.

4:56

Look at women, not just through the prism of politics,

4:58

but we look at where women through the prism that

5:00

they look at their own lives. And.

5:02

So people wake up in the

5:04

morning. They may say I'm worried

5:07

about money or security. everyday affordability?

5:09

maybe a rising climb? didn't wake

5:11

up. And Sam a Republican or

5:13

democrat? I'm a liberal or conservative.

5:15

Necessarily such. our job to sort

5:17

of reflect what they're telling us.

5:19

And bring that to the policy makers

5:22

and the political candidates as well. I

5:24

mean someone that you put that. To. Me What

5:27

We put the book in the context

5:29

of two thousand and five when you

5:31

over coming together to write this and

5:33

on this topic how unique was that

5:35

is and what was the motivating factor

5:37

for you to get involved. Or

5:40

it was very unique and at I mean

5:42

first of all again as trillion said, there

5:45

weren't that many women in their fields who

5:47

own their own companies. Both of us it

5:49

started and own Darren companies and everybody wanted

5:51

to us to write a book and it

5:54

was. A process where the future

5:56

has gone with the media every what he

5:58

wanted to write a book on. If agreements

6:00

and we said no, no, no,

6:03

this is a book about agreements.

6:05

Any three women in America can

6:07

agree on more than Congress does

6:10

even then, and it's certainly true

6:12

now and doubt we found that

6:15

the agreements far outnumbered the disagreements

6:17

and unfortunately what we see me

6:19

as women's voices and women's agreements

6:22

have been more polarized and our

6:24

politics has become a lot more

6:27

polarized that he women in particular.

6:29

today. you're. In for the time

6:31

when people could work together. To

6:33

get things done and try to find out

6:35

from Isis and solutions? Just yes. Well before

6:37

we get to kind of the substance of

6:39

bug adjustments as like you know obviously politics

6:42

of saints a lot since Two Thousand Five,

6:44

I hear that you are maintain that mutual

6:46

respect. I've not been contact since then since

6:48

the book. We. Have and

6:50

that thanks to Kelly and we sit

6:52

on Fox together and then some other

6:54

things. Ah, so we have and not

6:57

as much as I would have liked.

6:59

But I've this is a great African it off of

7:01

our lives of rage it together I mean I would

7:03

love to go through. What you are just took is

7:05

generally a things from the book that you think really

7:08

stick through to now. Is

7:10

it seems that the time that

7:12

women were more I think pigeonholed

7:15

into what we call the see

7:17

clustered issues Socialists using Social Security

7:19

or other societies healthcare education are

7:22

incredibly congenitally perennially important. To.

7:24

America's women and sometimes not talked

7:26

about in the polls where everybody

7:29

now discussing inflation, economy. Border.

7:31

And. Immigration and some farmhouses men were

7:33

seen as the we clustered issues war

7:36

and economy. And I think we broke

7:38

through that. By. Saying well, guess what? women

7:40

are not as you thinkers to knots English

7:42

voters arm. Fast forward to Twenty Twenty Four.

7:45

I see abortion as a. Vote. Motivator

7:47

and turnout intensify or for the democrats his

7:50

time but it's also one of the only

7:52

issues is not and some of it swing

7:54

states away and creamy or tensing see polling.

7:56

It is the only issue where President Biden

7:59

size. As. Limited advantage over

8:01

President Trump and Democrats have an advantage

8:03

of are republicans right? yeah down ballot.

8:05

And. Will we found in the book and we know from

8:07

all of our work The for instance. That.

8:10

If we're narrow casting to any group,

8:13

particularly women who are naturally multitaskers were

8:15

multi issue thinkers more the issue voters.

8:17

There's a risk in any one party

8:19

doing that. There was a risk for

8:21

the Republicans and twenty twenty two not

8:23

finishing their sentences. Same. Inflation

8:26

Crime coup in Ukraine Biden.

8:28

Com. Ela border. Those

8:30

aren't Sentences are rarely words that you have

8:33

to finish your tested. It has been a

8:35

women can take it that not only will

8:37

they accepted to takes. Full.

8:39

Blown Solution Very know what the

8:41

problems are. They want solutions, not

8:44

the shopworn soundbite. And I will

8:46

say that. We. Have about ten million

8:48

more voters that a female than male

8:50

to women literally decide who are presidents

8:52

are and people may say well then

8:54

why are they voting for down? So

8:56

why did he can republican for any

8:58

reason. I. Think was different and twenty

9:00

twenty four that we cannot predict in two thousand and

9:02

five. Is that younger

9:04

voters? And. Younger female voters

9:06

and younger voters of color are right

9:08

now fraying away from in everybody's Bowling

9:11

Green in your Times poll asked. the

9:13

third are migrating away a little bit

9:15

from Joe Biden and Com or Harris

9:17

and naturally the wild cards Me: Will

9:19

they stick with Donald Trump where they're

9:22

giving him higher poll numbers now? Will

9:24

vague return home to Joe Biden Or

9:26

will they stay home and all? And

9:28

I'm a big the democratic participatory on

9:30

a gal that I am detecting from

9:33

some of these voters that the question

9:35

for them. Is not presume to vote or

9:37

the threshold question is whether to bother at all.

9:39

And. Years ago in is Linda and I grew

9:41

up and I think she probably agree that when

9:43

we were growing up the idea that you would

9:46

not lose the idea that a woman were not

9:48

though when we just got the right and nineteen

9:50

twenty. The. Idea that we wouldn't vote.

9:52

Would. Have been a little bit. Shameful.

9:54

And embarrassing. I think this day and now people

9:56

use it as a point of pride. Why

9:58

would I encourage them to eat? The. To

10:01

try to issues like the handling of. Israel,

10:03

Hamas, Gaza excedrin creeping up on

10:05

the democratic Party, but agree among

10:08

younger people. You. See voters of

10:10

color migrating toward Donald Trump and he had

10:12

to had ballads mainly based on the economy

10:14

and border security. so all of these are

10:16

wild cards. It simply didn't exist in. Two. Thousand

10:18

and Five you know other posts a similar

10:21

says he has a basically those the same

10:23

bus new album. Face. You are.

10:25

I think there are as three things

10:27

that really stand out to me from the

10:29

book that carried forward. One, he is. In.

10:32

The book was really emphasized that

10:34

women were focusing kitchen table economics.

10:36

They were very focused on what

10:39

affected their families and we really

10:41

see that on steroids and Twenty

10:43

Twenty Four and I think it's

10:46

been hard for the Democrats to

10:48

grapple with said that. Aggregate

10:50

Statistics: The Gdp: He may look good,

10:53

but women who go. To the grocery

10:55

store on average three times. A week see

10:57

the price of eggs and milk and

10:59

have cardiac arrest. Prices have gone up

11:01

twenty five percent. In on

11:04

food since the Twenty nineteen and

11:06

women really notice it. So the

11:08

focus of women on every day?

11:10

Economics, Kitchen table economics, how issues

11:13

affect them and their families with

11:15

something that really was emerging in

11:17

two thousand and Four and it's

11:20

really true on steroids right now

11:22

and makes the vote of women

11:24

and certain. The second

11:26

thing we emphasized in the book

11:29

was that women are not monolithic

11:31

as there is a gender gap

11:33

in every group of women, that

11:35

women are not monolithic and we

11:37

have lost white women even though

11:39

we've lost and by less than

11:42

white Nan as Democrats and it

11:44

is women of Color and younger

11:46

women as Chilean was saying that

11:48

have really have produced the margin

11:50

of victory And the formula for

11:52

a democratic victory in almost every

11:55

close race is. To when women by

11:57

more than you lose men and that's the

11:59

real battlegrounds. Can you underscore that? Last point

12:01

is a. Bird. Democrats. The.

12:03

Numerical gold a lead to our goal is to when

12:05

women by more than they lose man. That's

12:08

right, I'm gonna. Lose the man and

12:10

you can't lose them by too much

12:12

or winning can't make up for it.

12:14

But under Chi hands leadership honestly and

12:16

and the try sixteen Trump campaign was

12:18

triumph and in as the Republican party

12:20

has gotten a lot better at targeting

12:22

women voters are than they were. Before

12:25

and I think that's something

12:27

that has democrats. A

12:29

little flat footed and then the last

12:31

seen the book showed was that. Women:

12:34

Have the capacity to worry about laugh at

12:36

things at once. and Kelly and was referring

12:38

to this as really funny because. We.

12:41

Ask! In another study that we

12:43

get on women's leadership is multitasking.

12:45

make you a leader and the

12:47

voters said no multitasking, Meet you

12:49

a woman. It hasn't made sure

12:51

the lucky for her necessarily and women

12:53

have the capacity to worry about lots

12:55

of things at once and they are

12:57

deathly doing that. And that's hard for

12:59

politicians and I think both of us

13:01

have emphasized that to was have a

13:03

party. I get asked the question all

13:06

the time or women gonna get tired

13:08

of the abortion issue and it's like

13:10

not know As people get tired of

13:12

Sacks of Things, you've earned a good

13:14

side. Of the abortion issue. Of. People

13:16

have the ability to be worried

13:18

about kitchen table economics and the

13:20

abortion issue as well. One of

13:23

the most telling questions for the

13:25

Twenty twenty Four election he is

13:27

We find it we have a

13:29

serious deficit as democrats on the

13:31

economy, but when we asked. Who.

13:34

Will be better for the economic

13:36

wellbeing of you and your family.

13:38

Those numbers. Are on the are tied. And

13:41

it's women voters said switch. From the

13:43

aggregate economy to the micro economy

13:45

so of very very important lesson

13:48

there for democrats. And. I

13:50

want to go back to tell you I'm

13:52

specifically on something that you just said The

13:54

think that partially due to her advocacy, Republicans

13:56

have gotten better at targeting when we can.

13:59

You take us through the specifics of like

14:01

what you have pushed either Trump Campaign and

14:03

Twenty Sixteen or the party broadly to do

14:05

that improves the stand Targeting. Now and

14:07

I appreciate her saying that. Much

14:09

as let's go back to twenty sixty.

14:12

As. I like with President Obama

14:14

is gender gap was so significant

14:17

as well as over Mitt Romney

14:19

for example. That and certainly John

14:21

Mccain that I thought. Well. Maybe

14:23

when I'm looking for outsiders? Yeah.

14:25

We are a majority the voters, but

14:27

we are nowhere close to being a

14:30

majority The candidate office holders and donors

14:32

in politics. And so in

14:34

this political system we still feel many many

14:36

women feel that they are on the outside

14:38

of the glass with their nose pressed against

14:40

that looking insane. But what's in it for

14:42

me? But what I said to Mister Trump

14:44

as a timeless. The. You need to

14:47

win a majority of women. You. Just

14:49

need to do less poorly. Than.

14:51

Other republican candidate had and you need

14:53

to run up the total. Among

14:56

men and see was seen as

14:58

an outsider. Not unlike the

15:00

way. Senator. Obama was seen as

15:02

an outsider and both times the Hillary Clinton's

15:04

inside a sad A see. The irony is

15:07

the woman the first woman he would have

15:09

made history. Was. Seen as

15:11

the insider so that was important. Thing is

15:13

you have to be consistent with women. We.

15:16

Are great barometers and not some honors

15:18

of inconsistency of hypocrisy of a lack

15:20

of genuineness. And where do you like

15:22

it or not? Many. Women

15:24

as country saw Donald's on. As. Authentic

15:26

himself and as consistent on the issues.

15:29

So. We were very intentional.

15:32

And we also were trying to regions and

15:34

not just non college educated women a white

15:36

women so to speak for evangelical in those

15:39

are all very important. but the also reach

15:41

out and try to close the gap a

15:43

little bit. Among other women,

15:45

college educated women. Women:

15:47

In the suburbs. Urban Women.

15:50

I. Told presence of the beginning. You're going to

15:52

win them. But. You

15:54

also should not. Feed. Them. As.

15:57

Amusing. Even when President Trump is saying you know

15:59

each other, the different people that it's vice presidents

16:01

have taken. He and he alone will make that

16:03

choice of He makes it very clear. But.

16:05

It as he quote need a woman That's a terrible

16:08

way of looking at it. If he feels

16:10

that. A woman. Who's.

16:12

Qualified happens to help him win help and

16:14

governed and would be ready on day one.

16:16

Terrific! But. If you

16:19

think Joe Biden is impact on his policy

16:21

goal of the Colonel Harris is numbers and

16:23

I think we're paying the cause and consequence

16:25

salary every day of Joe Biden choosing her.

16:27

I think she has and founder of putting

16:29

in any major portfolio issue perhaps abortion the

16:31

last. And that's really I think

16:33

that's costing the democratic party because he probably

16:36

thought they could lean on. The. First

16:38

female Vice president of color. To.

16:40

Help them shore up. The. Justice.

16:42

It's among some women and voters

16:44

of color and young people particularly

16:46

and needs winners back. And

16:49

I are going to come back to some

16:51

of that particular your characterization about Trump and

16:53

his consistency Buffalo be good stewards of the

16:55

response to the characterization about Hillary and Twenty

16:57

Sixteenth. What lessons did you take from that

17:00

Alexis that may have updated with you are

17:02

kind of understanding about the electorate is specifically

17:04

women from two thousand and Five I bought

17:06

one the start their an awesome follows after.

17:09

Yeah and I also want to follow up on

17:11

by says an area. That's where I was gone after

17:14

the Anelka. Here, let me start with

17:16

that because I think she's been

17:18

a huge asset to the ticket.

17:20

Vice President is the worst roll

17:22

out there other than maybe for

17:24

for Haiti and we have a

17:26

stellar one above. But the images

17:28

of presidents and nice presents merged

17:30

together in most cases and devices

17:32

and a Harris has been a

17:34

big ass that actually with younger

17:36

voters Teacher said on the abortion

17:38

issue huge asset honor student loan

17:40

issue and I think it took

17:42

awhile for the administration to. Understand

17:44

how to utilize her dad had

17:46

as a model in their head

17:49

the Obama Biden presidency and there

17:51

was one of the most spectacular.

17:53

Teams we've ever had in history. A

17:55

really work. Together really respected each other,

17:57

really complimented each other. But in she.

18:00

They're all. The. Vps doesn't have

18:02

an independent image of the present.

18:04

that's true for republicans or democrats

18:07

but I think them are vice

18:09

president years. It's been a huge

18:11

asset in articulating as Joy and

18:14

said the strongest issue. For us

18:16

out there, which is the abortion issue,

18:18

but the question I think to see

18:20

brought up about representation and the idea

18:22

that choosing someone I was inherently help

18:24

in these groups. I mean I do

18:26

remember some democrats in Twenty Twenty kind

18:28

of positioning far as someone who could

18:31

exist outside of the president's individual identity.

18:33

was that? What about that peace Because

18:35

it doesn't seem as if if she's

18:37

broken out of that. Well.

18:39

I would say two things about

18:42

that. First of all, Vice President's

18:44

usually create enthusiasm when they're first

18:46

nominated, and she unquestionably get that

18:48

it's hard to remember that of.

18:51

And yes, and she really mobilize

18:53

young people. She really mobilize women

18:55

of color is she created enthusiasm

18:58

in the Bay, so she so

19:00

it's very successful in that, very

19:02

much in the way that Vice

19:04

President can increase to seal the

19:07

deal for Trump with evangelical. Christians

19:09

and I think it was a very very smart.

19:11

Kick and I credit Charlie and

19:13

with that tries from what I

19:15

read. The second thing I would

19:17

say though is I do think

19:19

the vice Presidents are going to

19:21

be different this year and I

19:23

think it's a new terrain for

19:25

both parties. Voters franklin god willing

19:27

know this as happen no matter

19:29

who's nominated, but voters are not

19:31

convinced that either Trump or Ride

19:33

my last four years so they

19:35

are paying more attention to the

19:37

vice presidential pick than they have

19:39

in the past. So I

19:42

think everyone is struggling with what

19:44

is the role of vice Presidency.

19:46

You see Donald Trump struggling with

19:48

who's the best pick because it

19:50

is a little bit different this

19:52

time than before. One of the

19:54

things I will say at that

19:56

Lessons from the Hillary Campaign up

19:58

and down. The Cheyenne had some

20:00

really astute analysis of that. I

20:02

think Ah Hillary paid some price

20:04

for being perceived as an insider.

20:06

On the one hand people always

20:08

say although for women if she's

20:10

qualified people never fab vote for

20:12

man if he's qualified And since

20:14

they've been doing such a bang

20:16

up job we can understand why.

20:18

Nobody questions. Their qualifications and being

20:20

facetious you know, or against

20:22

Atlanta. But I think said you know

20:25

on the one hand we need is a

20:27

really qualified nominee and a d What was

20:29

depressing for about a democratic women was will

20:31

never have a Woman. Has provided some a

20:33

request months for president. But I

20:35

did make or less of a change

20:37

agent, but it was also two things

20:40

that were challenging. One was women don't

20:42

just go for a woman whether the

20:44

vice president or presidential nominee, The second

20:46

kids, Hillary Clinton had a lot of

20:49

trouble. With. Men at it's like

20:51

whack a mole right? You. Have

20:53

to keep men in range for women

20:55

to. Take you over the top

20:57

and. Man really had trouble with Hillary

20:59

Clinton. My own view of it is

21:01

I desperately want a woman breasts at

21:03

the hands of my own view of

21:05

it. He is in twenty Twenty eight.

21:07

I think we should bow right now

21:09

on his podcast as both parties nominate

21:12

a woman and then authorities will have

21:14

no choice but to give us the

21:16

woman President. Is if it

21:18

does you no coherent Euro in two

21:20

thousand and Five book that more than

21:22

sixty five percent of women across party

21:24

lines say the integrity of a candidate's

21:26

is more important than his or her

21:28

intelligence or abilities. I was wanted to

21:30

do put that in the context specifically

21:32

of Donald Trump. You know, obviously we

21:34

know that this is someone who the

21:36

back from Twenty Six team has been

21:38

in Er up until now has been

21:40

accused of sexual saw caught on tape

21:42

saying vulgar things about women's side with

21:44

allegations of affairs And it doesn't. Seem

21:46

as if for a least a segment of

21:49

conservative women that has been seen as invalidating

21:51

house it. I understand that in the context

21:53

of the books which makes a kind of

21:55

clear data case that integrity or kind of

21:57

personal convictions have any amount of more. Then

22:00

intelligence or abilities. But

22:03

advancing for in there's no question and as

22:05

it has to fact check your little bit

22:07

on made been accused of sexual thought that

22:09

he never been convicted of that are charged

22:11

with as far as I know. Less.

22:13

I can do before. it was a farming of

22:15

liability about sexual abuse and. Let's let's

22:17

not do that. Yeah, we're changing the word,

22:19

so let's not do that at that time,

22:21

because by the way, the voters look past.

22:24

Snarky. Comments like that from the media

22:26

and love the idea, the obsession with Donald

22:28

Trump. Over the last ten

22:30

four years now is consuming to me

22:32

and I'm very close in that work

22:35

in his campaign. This time we talk

22:37

frequently enough. At. The fact

22:39

is that is is everybody has spent

22:41

a fraction. I need a fraction a

22:43

scintilla of the time. Focus on the

22:45

Trump voter. At the obsessed over

22:47

Trump's himself, things may be a little bit

22:49

different. This. Act is it. People

22:52

saw him as coming up with. Plans.

22:54

And talking about issues that no other quote politicians

22:56

have the courage to do, I want me to

22:59

enter say to you Now and Twenty Twenty What

23:01

I said and twenty sixteen after the Access Hollywood

23:03

tape is. He gives you

23:05

the back. Here is a huge difference in

23:07

this country. Between.

23:09

What offends us and what a

23:11

success! We like to complain, kebabs

23:13

and converse. All. The wrong. About.

23:16

What a sensor! And we both mostly

23:19

according to what affects us. And

23:21

why would you vote according to what a sexy Why

23:23

wouldn't. You both. To. Improve the

23:25

cost of living everyday affordability. And

23:28

the feeling of security and some other issues

23:30

that are very important and these two candidates

23:32

will be judged mainly. On the. Binary

23:35

choice you have. On.

23:38

How was your life with this one of ours

23:40

way for that one is that nonsense eating I

23:42

need to have we as a country and certainly

23:44

in in all of our lifetimes is the first

23:46

time I've even able to just put these president

23:49

side by side and the strip away everything else

23:51

and take a look at them. Are

23:53

here that distinction between what offends

23:55

folks versus what affects them? I

23:57

will post the same questions you

23:59

cylinder. The books. As you know, issues

24:01

of integrity or morality are essential to

24:03

women, and choosing a candidate has your

24:05

understanding of that shifted in terms of

24:07

seeing. Ah, you know how many women

24:09

are coming back or conservative and are

24:11

coming back and supporting Donald Trump even

24:14

amid all of you know said scandal.

24:17

I think is a distinction

24:19

between personally integrity and. Public

24:21

into oh gosh interests and. I think

24:24

that people processed a it's inconceivable

24:26

to me, but I think it's

24:28

disqualifying the people. Process. That

24:30

hollywood save a process. Some of

24:32

the court cases that have happened

24:34

in people think of this is

24:36

Adam want to be married to

24:38

the guy but that's not what

24:40

we're talking about here. I think

24:42

the case of the Democrats the

24:44

To Make is how this affects

24:46

you and your family Kelly and

24:48

it's right about that. And I

24:50

think in his latest trial it's

24:52

actually problematic that it's getting characterized

24:54

as the hush money trial rather

24:56

than the election Integrity trial will

24:58

actually interference trial. The strongest

25:01

court cases Where the court cases

25:03

where. There was interference

25:05

in the election. I will also

25:07

say this that I think the

25:10

strongest case for the Democrats is

25:12

supply forward. What does four? More

25:14

years ah, Joe Biden look like?

25:16

And what does four more years

25:18

of Donald Trump look like? And

25:21

people are not vertically enthusiastic. Honestly

25:23

about either one thought. They really

25:26

worry about the cure for the

25:28

public character of the present. Will

25:30

it be the Solutions Presidency or

25:32

will it be of injection and

25:35

revenge presidency? Who's gonna be the

25:37

more chaotic leader And you see

25:39

that being a real debate in

25:42

the voters' minds? So I think

25:44

that the modification I would make

25:46

his character still mammoth. But it's

25:48

character in the way. It affects

25:51

your allies. Publicly affects

25:53

Solutions: Assess the focus of

25:56

exercise of leadership affects the

25:58

respect affects division. The

26:00

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26:02

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26:04

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27:25

O'kelly under seems to be an open

27:27

conversation among the Republican party specifically on

27:29

the issue of abortion since the Fall

27:32

of Roby Way than the Dobbs decision,

27:34

we've seen conservatives from Donald Trump to

27:36

Carry Lake kind of back away from

27:38

certain pro life positions, and we've seen

27:40

a kind of open debate in the

27:42

party about were to fall on this

27:45

issue. Can you just take me through

27:47

how you think that discussion among Republicans

27:49

is going to affect them specifically with

27:51

the electorate and with women? Sure,

27:54

So is it just fifty years to

27:56

overturn Roe versus Wade subsidy? Back in

27:58

eyes, it's going to take more than

28:00

thirty minutes or fifty hours, or even

28:02

fifty weeks to explain what that means

28:04

and more importantly, what it doesn't mean.

28:07

I'm one hundred percent pro life that I

28:09

respect to understand why people are pro choice.

28:12

And knowing.how do we build towards

28:14

a culture of life? I think

28:16

that. We. Should have a more

28:19

science based conversation Now I think

28:21

the conversations around religion and morality

28:23

or always important and women south.

28:25

Pole quota always important. So.

28:27

What I would say is. Fifteen. Weeks

28:29

specifically me national minimum standard I think

28:32

would do two things: One.

28:34

Is it would really dialed back.

28:37

Some. Of these feats that as

28:39

we sit here now have abortion

28:41

on the books long after viability.

28:43

Frankly, long after babies in his

28:46

feet are being born prematurely and

28:48

not just surviving, they're thriving. So

28:50

abortion anyone anytime anywhere. Should.

28:52

Not be a position in my view

28:54

of a major political party and Twenty Twenty

28:57

Four and our country. that is essentially the

28:59

position. I challenge anyone. To show me

29:01

differently, I've read the Abortion platform for the

29:03

Democratic Party and memorize the first part of

29:06

it, and so did we have to

29:08

have both parties weighing in his conversation. But

29:10

I tell you, I've never seen the party.

29:12

More. Divided on any issue, I think

29:15

there was an argument that the democrats

29:17

will over by illness, not because it's

29:19

not important, but because it's eclipsing. Inflation

29:21

secured all these other nagging concerns that

29:23

America's women had as they go to

29:25

the polls. we are not single issue

29:27

thinkers were not seen. Was she voters

29:29

last point. Same. For the Republican.

29:32

If they think they don't need to address

29:34

abortion because you're only going to talk about

29:36

inflation and crime and the border and Ukraine

29:39

in the Middle East and biden a. Mental.

29:41

And physical agility ability, acuity. that's

29:44

a mistake to so everybody I

29:46

think ignores the fullness of all

29:48

these issues at their. Peril. Cylinder

29:50

I would love for you to respond to

29:52

that. I mean to grow years Points Empoli

29:54

would say that abortion access is one of

29:57

the few areas in which the electorate prefers

29:59

Biden Old. Trump? Is there any

30:01

risk of the Democrats limiting their

30:03

paid to women specifically to an

30:05

issue when overplaying and him. Now

30:09

I think it's a very salient issue and

30:11

if anybody's ever played their hands, it's been

30:13

a lot of republican legislature in the states.

30:16

I mean, seats have been in

30:18

for bands and republican elected officials

30:20

and candidates have com for bands.

30:23

No exceptions, even for rape and

30:25

incest. only. talk about so call

30:27

late term abortions every pregnancies unique

30:29

at any point in pregnancy. Something

30:31

he'd. Go terribly wrong. These abortions

30:34

are only. One percent of abortions

30:36

and they are usually have wanted

30:38

children were something has gone terribly

30:40

wrong in that situation. The last

30:42

see you need is some unknown

30:44

politician interfering. That is a decision

30:46

that needs to be made by

30:48

the family and their health care

30:50

provider and politicians should stay out

30:52

of it. So I think the

30:54

states of than way too far.

30:57

I think the proof of the

30:59

putting was Donald Trump try to

31:01

come out for state thrive and

31:03

forty eight hours after Donald. Trump

31:05

said let's leave it to the

31:07

states Arizona goes back to not

31:09

nineteen Sixty, but eighteen Sixty and

31:11

the voters included Some of the

31:14

states are absolutely insane when I

31:16

gonna leave it up to the

31:18

states, so I think public opinion

31:20

overwhelmingly on our side. The number

31:22

of voters who are pro abortion,

31:24

probe, personal decision making, pro freedom

31:26

in making these difficult for some

31:29

decisions has increased dramatically and down

31:31

we have the ability is democrats

31:33

as. President. Obama said we

31:35

had a walk and chew gum at the

31:37

same time were able to do that to

31:39

talk about the economy and to talk about

31:41

abortion and that those are two major threats

31:44

to the democratic. Campaigns Okay. the one constant

31:46

I'll post the both of you is what's

31:48

that each candidate be doing? And Twenty Twenty

31:50

Four two better appeal to women. I

31:53

think that that Joe Biden should be

31:55

taught you that your kitchen table economics

31:58

really, really emphasized price gouging. Really emphasize

32:00

rising cost of living. Not say that

32:02

things are good. Say we've worked hard,

32:04

fought hard to make them better. We've

32:07

gotten lost. Or to do and

32:09

where any keep on fighting and

32:11

kill families. Can thrive and

32:13

prosper and that there are important

32:15

freedoms and rights and courses of

32:18

control that should not be decided

32:20

by politicians. And we have a

32:22

Supreme Court that has overturned a

32:25

law that was in practice and

32:27

we had no problems with for

32:29

fifty years. We should not. Be

32:32

going backwards and co he i'm are because

32:34

the same question to you about from other

32:36

cities that margin with women down. President.

32:39

Trump needs remind America's women,

32:42

as was the. Economic.

32:44

Situation and the security situation was

32:46

when he was president. Said.

32:48

This is a binary choice. Yes, it's a

32:50

referendum on Joe Biden three and a half

32:53

years as President, but it's also a binary

32:55

choice. Did you like your life? Mister Trump

32:57

or Under Biden and you to look at

32:59

any series. Of issues and made that decision

33:01

for yourself. What? Do you like

33:03

down some for not a lot of people this country

33:05

do not like. Be over prosecution that

33:07

is the of him. If he's

33:10

so harmful to the body politic

33:12

in why you still there and

33:14

they feel that attention and resources

33:16

are being diverted away. Can

33:19

be very obvious, clear and present

33:21

need of America as women. Away

33:23

into these court cases. Go.

33:26

And beat him. Let the judge and jury be

33:28

we the people. In November. And

33:30

I think be again. I'll say it again. For.

33:33

Women a new President Trump's She Beach and

33:35

such of and his policies remind them. Of

33:38

the economy to energy independent that

33:40

we had. More. Security.

33:43

In. Our cities. Certainly. Abroad,

33:45

foreign policy, national security wise, and in

33:47

their pocketbooks to everyday lives. And he's

33:49

and stick with his position on abortion.

33:51

That is we need to the states arm and

33:54

then I. I think the question for both candidates

33:56

is how much to the energy and enthusiasm each

33:58

didn't get. Terry. Down ballot. Paper.

34:01

Look at it did not do well and twenty

34:03

twenty two we didn't see or read wave. I

34:05

think they they miss great opportunities so the question

34:08

for women are going to decide in the next

34:10

president. Excellent! It. Do. You want divided

34:12

government to continue. Or. Not enough gets

34:14

done Or do you want there to be one

34:16

party? Or control where he abuse

34:18

to feel there's an opportunity to have more

34:20

things pass it affect her everyday life. Is. Your

34:23

slice of the electorate of women that you

34:25

think is the target area for the Trump

34:27

Campaign? I mean you are. There were some

34:29

us discuss sense and twenty six teams about

34:31

white women by white suburban women and the

34:33

numbers that went to Trump's Are You? Is

34:35

it about holding that together and minimizing losses

34:37

among women of color? Do you think the

34:39

Trump Campaign as new opportunities with a certain

34:41

slice of women of color will have to

34:43

get more specific. Is. The Linda there.

34:46

Are seats. He stepped away and so this is a good

34:48

just my last by seventy. I five is exciting

34:50

when I get no actually, I

34:54

didn't sound has pockets of opportunity

34:56

among. Female. Voters.

34:59

That did not exist in Twenty

35:01

sixteen. When. He was running against a.

35:04

Woman: New many people saw.

35:06

Will. Be the first female president I'd states.

35:09

And. That he are available to him.

35:11

In. Tony. Tony. Even. Cruz

35:14

Younger women. Women of

35:16

Color. Politically independent

35:18

women. Some. Of whom are last

35:20

democrat. And many of

35:23

whom are just independent. Why Bolland has

35:25

to do with everyday affordability? Feeling.

35:28

Of Security. And. Also has

35:30

to do with the mishandling by President

35:32

Biting My Size and Harrys on the

35:34

Democratic party. On. This

35:36

situation in Middle East. And

35:39

President Son has a tremendous opportunity

35:41

among non college educated women. Of.

35:44

All races us as economic backgrounds

35:46

whether they married, not married children

35:48

in the house know shudder in

35:50

the house because that is the

35:52

biggest demarcation I was during a

35:54

panel recently this Van Jones scene

35:56

and commentator work B C for

35:58

President Obama. How did he was

36:00

president by into when. And he

36:03

me an excellent point that I wanted to reflect your

36:05

head thought about it quite this way. He

36:08

said every time the Democrats talk about

36:10

suburban women, Suburban women, Suburban women. The.

36:12

Missing an opportunity to to young

36:14

black men. A young men

36:17

of color. Who. Feel my

36:19

words Down Somewhat disenfranchised. The

36:21

Democratic Party. There's. Something to

36:23

that. Politics and resources

36:25

are finite. And

36:28

so was your overly. Talking.

36:30

To quote suburban women, many of whom

36:32

are white. Then you're not

36:34

talking to. Men: And I

36:36

would say women of color this

36:38

election is very employer has goes

36:40

college educated non college educated. And

36:43

when you when you see many these

36:45

countries which he truly. Hispanic men

36:47

not how Jesus garlic men are

36:49

throwing their to a lesser extent

36:51

but very measurable. The data. Non.

36:54

College educated African American men.

36:57

You. See that the War

36:59

Coalition. That biden Harris scaffolding

37:01

together to each it out. And Twenty

37:04

Twenty. Is fraying and

37:06

strain. In a way that should

37:08

cause I'm more concerned and alarm the may seem to

37:10

have. The question remains. Will

37:13

they go all the way over to President Trump? And

37:15

he needs earn that. And he is earning that.

37:18

On by. His

37:21

messaging, but also his delivery meaning showing

37:23

up in places and spaces and make

37:25

him unafraid to court. And he famously

37:28

said in Detroit and Fourteen sixteen. Why?

37:30

Did he ask the lose you the running for

37:32

Democrats? Wherever? He works a little bit

37:34

then he from work a lot more. In.

37:37

Twenty Twenty Four. Thank

37:41

you so much for your time! I really appreciated

37:43

and will be back and guys out as. It

37:45

has been so it is about making launched from

37:47

for having both of us winning the law. But

37:49

thanks again for your time. So.

37:58

The reason that cylinder got lied and. There

38:00

was that our conversation and got started the

38:02

bit late. And she had to jump

38:04

to another car. But. I still

38:06

had a couple questions for her. I

38:09

wanted to know whether their particular demographic

38:11

groups a female voters they're by then

38:13

so be targeted and also I wanted

38:15

to know more about her friendship with

38:18

Kelly and Conway. Had.

38:28

Only just in a separate room at Hi.

38:30

how are you from Don't good? So on

38:32

Tuesday night. I. Call her back. You.

38:34

Know one of the things that stuck out

38:37

the Us is that when you go through

38:39

kind of what you are, We're talking about

38:41

every Democratic nominee from Obama, Clinton the by

38:43

Dance as one the majority of women's vote

38:46

for every republican nominee has one more white

38:48

women. Do. You think democrats

38:50

have a problem with or a

38:52

messaging mismatch? were specifically why When.

38:56

Now. I seen Sat We

38:58

do remarkably well. It's white women

39:00

are white, women are more conservative.

39:03

Them are likely be married. We

39:05

do better with and married or

39:07

unmarried voters. Still, we do quite

39:09

well with white linen compared to

39:11

White Net. Obviously we alternately would

39:13

love to win them, but we

39:15

didn't very well with Light Went.

39:18

And I think it's actually improved over the years, right?

39:20

Yeah. I've got yes, purchases more

39:22

white women can a college education, and

39:25

the marriage rate has gone down among

39:27

white women. Who you are On the

39:29

flipside of when it's acts about Biden standing

39:31

with some women of color I know that

39:34

those are a not monolithic groups but we've

39:36

seen and polling as I'm sure if

39:38

you say that Biden is particularly having kind

39:40

of approval problems wrong young people Now

39:42

my voters non college voters are good some

39:45

presumably of course include a lot of

39:47

women are side of the solutions you outline

39:49

for Biden already like focusing on abortion

39:51

rights or Kitchen Table economics is anything the

39:53

campaign he specifically due to speak disease

39:55

more marginalized groups of young women are not

39:57

college. Women are we sort of a broader mess. The

40:00

Women Voters. Will. Also appealed it

40:02

is more specific groups we seems to be having more

40:04

trouble with. Well. I think

40:06

that and the blue collar when in

40:09

ah will be very very appeal to

40:11

buy kitchen table economic and getting rising

40:13

costs down. And the way we need

40:15

to talk about the economy is not

40:18

a million jobs created. Or

40:20

Gdp. But what bills

40:23

you had to pay? What to find?

40:25

You had to accept much food Price

40:27

can shoot a damn what we did

40:29

about it. How that credit card Ray

40:32

is gonna come down when you're trying

40:34

to buy her nephews graduation present? It

40:36

needs to be translated into how real

40:39

people live their lives and how his

40:41

sexual people. In terms of young people

40:43

they are very pro abortion. They are

40:45

also go birth control their very solidly

40:48

in support of medication abortion. They are

40:50

the ones who are. You are

40:52

contemplating idea of sister having

40:54

issues are having a child

40:57

does this agenda is very

40:59

hairy central to them. So

41:01

for the non college women

41:03

I think it's economy. And

41:05

of course of course. Is part of

41:08

it. and for the younger women.

41:10

Abortions? Really? really? Sale? For

41:12

hims, I hear that when we look ahead

41:14

to think that's what we've been hearing from

41:17

buying campaign messages that focused on kitchen table

41:19

economics. Does the campaign have a problem when

41:21

we look at natal as women or other

41:23

groups that the numbers would tell us or

41:26

less hot on biden than some others? Sliding

41:29

Democrat said had a problem for

41:31

some time. And we'd been

41:33

increasing our vote with college.

41:35

Educated women and declining with non college

41:37

educated women and I think we'll see

41:40

the same focus on we need to

41:42

see the same focus reiterated. And right

41:44

now college educated America is to snowing

41:46

the said you know a lot better

41:48

than non college educated America who are

41:51

really pressed with rising prices, really looking

41:53

for a side hustle to add to

41:55

that job to try to make ends

41:57

meet. Really feel that they're falling behind.

42:00

And we need to. Be in touch with that.

42:02

We as democrats, not just the ministration,

42:04

but with democrats do something about. As

42:07

the last cause I'm willing to ask you

42:09

is about something that really jumps out to

42:11

me as you while we're talking which is

42:13

is that how close you all seem to

42:15

be. It took me back since I'm in

42:17

politics where those kind of cross party relationship

42:19

seem to happen more often but you know

42:21

it. Also I was reminded of you know

42:23

some of the criticisms people are made about

42:25

Washington politics saying his attitude tommy between these

42:27

and ours I want to suppose that question

42:30

to you like what does he think are

42:32

the values of those cross party relationships and

42:34

being friends with someone who is also your

42:36

maybe political. Rival. Well

42:39

first of all, as a pulsar,

42:41

I think it's a lot easier

42:43

because Adidas the data and if

42:45

our data really differs then we

42:47

would be worried about that. We

42:50

would wanna compare notes and we

42:52

might wanna do different things with

42:54

the data. That the data is

42:56

the data I think. Also, both

42:58

of us started when there weren't

43:01

that many women in our respective

43:03

fields who's and so on. Lead,

43:05

balance, family and work and caregiving

43:07

responsibilities and so. Are We

43:09

just had a very very deep respect and

43:11

I think one of the the beginnings as

43:13

ending the polarization. If we have to listen

43:16

to each other, we have to respect each

43:18

other. We have to look for common ground.

43:21

I was is that hasn't gotten any

43:23

harder in the Trump era. I mean

43:25

I hear President Ariana here. Democrats kind

43:27

of making it clear argument that you

43:29

know the other Side represents more than

43:31

the kind of existential threat to the

43:33

political system, but also to the lives.

43:36

Of. Women obviously tell ya. Com was one of

43:38

the chief architect of Trump's rise and message. I

43:40

guess I wanted to ask like. Most.

43:42

Americans outside the beltway take seriously the

43:44

idea that mega Republicans are danger to

43:46

the country. Score. The Democrats inside is

43:49

about way. Seem. To be friends with them. How

43:52

that's an interesting question unless I don't

43:54

see myself as a friend of mega

43:57

Republicans. Ah, in that I work very

43:59

very hard to be in every case.

44:01

And I by the way, I don't

44:03

think mega Republicans to the same thing

44:06

as republicans. I was born and raised

44:08

a republican on a ranch of Montana.

44:10

I was a teenager has look in

44:12

office souls. I have a lot of

44:14

Sam is it is so republicans but

44:17

this is a new game in town

44:19

but that's different than in individualize working

44:21

relationship and I think that how we

44:23

can recognize that and I think if

44:26

there were more of that and less

44:28

of the polarization we'd be. Better off

44:30

and I hear you, but it has gotten harder

44:32

in the Trump era. Oh,

44:34

it's just like that in Harder In the Trump. Here. I

44:38

think it's intuitive, but is there a wise their

44:40

moment you remember? Is there an example of that?

44:45

I see instead. You

44:47

know we. We always knew we

44:49

disagreed on the abortion issue when

44:51

that's why we didn't put it

44:53

in the book. But obviously the

44:55

dogs decision was a very hard

44:57

moment because you know I am

44:59

old enough to remember when abortion

45:01

wasn't legal issues and so that

45:03

was series. So and I think

45:05

that you know ironically, the binding

45:08

vote and the Trump voter all

45:10

about Trump and I think that

45:12

for democrats, Trump is just such

45:14

a different kind. Of candidate difference

45:16

in any republican we've ever had,

45:18

different in any candidate we've ever

45:20

had. Any tests the boundaries of

45:22

racist and he test the very

45:24

basis of our democracy and it

45:26

makes it harder to be friends

45:28

with one of it's he advises

45:30

for him. but I still respect

45:32

Chilean very much as a mother,

45:35

as a woman, as a strategist.

45:37

But. The poster. And

45:39

as someone has been a woman in a

45:41

tough field. Thank. You so

45:43

much! I appreciate you following up on our questions

45:45

and taking some time out. Thank you again for

45:47

your time. Outside Thank you so much

45:49

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