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some Tatum stuff coming off of game two and

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2:30

Boston takes a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals. How

2:32

did we get here? Let's start

2:34

with a couple different things. I want to talk Tatum,

2:36

I want to talk Luca, and why the Celtics remind

2:38

me of Glengarry, Glen Ross. So we

2:40

figured it wasn't a great matchup, basketball wise for Dallas.

2:42

I think a lot of us felt that way. But

2:44

I still felt with Luca and Kyrie going off, the

2:48

offensive capabilities of what those two guys can do.

2:50

And they went off last night, the box score. Kyrie

2:52

had a terrific game. A lot was tasked on him

2:54

with Luca fouling out, which

2:57

of course we'll get to. So Kyrie responds. You

2:59

can see from the beginning of the game,

3:01

much more assertive looking to attack from the

3:04

first possession. So that wasn't an

3:06

issue at all. But I thought

3:08

with the combination of those two guys and what

3:10

they're capable of, and the improved defense that we've

3:12

been looking at as a major factor at the

3:14

end of the regular season in carrying on through

3:16

the playoffs, and the Boston stuff. The

3:19

stuff that if you've watched the Celtics all season

3:21

long, if you have Celtics

3:23

fans that are friends of yours, where

3:25

they're like, yeah, you know, they're really, I mean look, the

3:27

stuff that Bill and I have talked about all year long

3:30

about just those moments where you're like, what is

3:32

up with these guys? Well, we got a full

3:34

fourth quarter of it after a small sampling of

3:36

it at the end of game two. But

3:39

when I look at Dallas's problems and there's

3:41

a long list here, the others is one

3:43

of the headlines. The others meaning

3:45

if you look at the third, fourth and

3:47

fifth leading scores for the Mavericks through the

3:50

three games in the finals, they've combined for

3:52

twenty nine point seven points per game. And

3:55

that means others, depending on who that

3:57

is, because there's like four or five guys you can pick

3:59

from that group. where Dallas can't, Boston's

4:02

group is outscoring those three leading

4:04

scorers by 20 points, almost

4:06

20 points a game, they're averaging 48. PJ

4:09

Washington was Grayson Allen against the Thunder, hitting

4:11

47% of his threes, went for 25% against

4:13

Minnesota. So

4:15

you're like, okay, maybe you just had the bad shooting night

4:18

because there still looks. Boston's at 29%.

4:21

And when I watch PJ, when I watch

4:25

Derek Jones, Gaffords,

4:28

not somebody really gonna be trusting to like, give

4:31

you something offensively, even though they tried that

4:33

late in game two, because Tatum's his primary

4:35

defender. If they're not bringing Tatum up into

4:37

the switch, it just looks

4:39

like these guys are just uncomfortable and not

4:41

even thinking about the rim. There's

4:45

just a group

4:48

of possessions where even

4:50

if somebody else gets a catch, it's just like, I don't

4:52

want anything to do with this. And then you factor in

4:54

the cleavus clearly hurt, not even thinking about shooting, which you've

4:56

already touched on in game two. Dallas

4:59

in the finals is now 28% overall from

5:01

three, 37%

5:04

on the regular season. They

5:07

were searching last night, big time. They

5:10

played 11 guys in the first half. Gafford,

5:13

who's been such a big part of this defensive

5:15

resurgent in this kind of Dallas 2.0 version, he

5:18

played 16 minutes last night. He put only 14 minutes

5:21

in the first game. So you could say, well, first

5:23

game was kind of a blow up, but like he's

5:25

just played 50 total minutes through three games. And

5:27

it's clear that Kidd is just not trusting him

5:30

the way he just wasn't

5:32

either exploited or was just having better games

5:34

because I think his life was just a

5:37

lot easier in a non-Boston matchup.

5:39

If you look at Dallas's defense, before the

5:41

finals was actually only seventh overall in the

5:43

playoffs at 111 points per 100 possessions. Now

5:48

it's eighth through three games in the finals. The number's

5:50

basically the same, but that's a massive departure from where

5:52

they were at their last 15 games of the regular

5:54

season where they were number one in defense. You could

5:56

say it's too small of a sample, but that's the

5:59

thing that kept. making you feel like you

6:01

have to throw out the season long stats from Dallas, which

6:03

I still think is the right thing to do. But

6:05

that number was like five points better at

6:08

like 106. Now, you

6:10

could even argue that their playoff number

6:12

is lower because they faced

6:14

the Clippers, although a diminished version,

6:16

a terrific OKC offense, which still

6:18

just didn't have enough around SGA

6:20

and then Minnesota that

6:22

was was in a majority of those games in

6:25

the Western Conference Finals. So this the resume

6:27

of teams that they're facing are tougher than

6:29

than anybody else. So maybe that number is

6:31

going to go down. But you factor

6:33

in that they're also now collectively shooting way

6:36

less from three. I mean, these are just

6:38

all a lot of problems are all coming

6:40

to head in the NBA Finals. Okay,

6:43

the Boston angle, if you remember

6:45

Alec Baldwin's terrific monologue, they're

6:48

sitting out there waiting to give you their money.

6:51

That's what the Celtics do. And

6:54

boy, did they try to do it in the fourth quarter. It

6:57

was 85-70 after three. At that point, Boston

7:02

at the start of the fourth quarter after Derek White

7:04

three in a timeout, it's 91-70. Boston has a 41-19

7:06

advantage in the

7:11

second half. And then

7:13

Boston invited Dallas back

7:15

into this game because

7:18

of the way they just somehow

7:20

cannot help themselves from avoiding these defensive

7:22

stretches, where you're like,

7:25

what are you guys doing? Here's a collection

7:27

of my favorites. A Peyton

7:29

Pritchard ISO jumper granted late shot

7:31

clock. A Jaylen Brown

7:33

no dribble three point attempt with eight seconds

7:36

left on the shot clock switched on to

7:38

lively. Another Peyton

7:40

Pritchard ISO jumper, where he

7:42

tried to hit a step back against

7:44

PJ Washington. Again, another late shot clock.

7:47

Tatum had an ISO against Kyrie. And

7:50

Kyrie actually held up terrific defensively, but

7:52

it's that left elbow swing

7:54

around up and down back. I don't even know

7:56

if it was a fade away jumper, whatever it

7:58

was, it was a that really

8:01

had no chance. Jaylen Brown later

8:03

on has a step back three against Luca

8:05

with nine seconds left on the shot clock.

8:08

For whatever reason, he took that one. Horford

8:10

travels juggling the ball after Luca had fallen down

8:12

that play that we'll get to. So it was

8:14

five on four and then Horford somehow travels. You've

8:16

got a Jaylen Brown turnover in there. I mean,

8:19

look, I list the entire game log. I'm

8:21

not gonna do that for you. There

8:23

was that Luca, Jaylen

8:25

Brown collision where

8:28

not on the sixth foul for Luca, it was a

8:30

different one. The ball got loose, Tatum grabbed it, and

8:32

then Drew Holliday decides to take a three. That's not

8:34

even close to like what you'd expect from him in

8:36

his game with 15 seconds left

8:38

on the shot clock. All

8:40

right. It was

8:43

possession after possession where they're either so determined

8:45

to run down the clock that they didn't

8:47

care about the look, but that's

8:49

what I can't stand about. All

8:51

basketball at all levels

8:53

is really the way I should say

8:55

it where it's like, don't become so

8:57

obsessed with running clock that you're just

8:59

inviting yourself into these awful match-ups or

9:01

shot attempts. I don't think Pritchard decides

9:03

to go, hey boys, it's

9:05

Pritchard time. So those shots

9:07

again, as I point out late in the shot clock, but

9:10

it just keeps happening over and over and

9:12

over again. At one point,

9:15

Dallas had gone on a 22 to two run. Boston

9:22

from when it was 91, 70 in 53

9:24

seconds scored

9:27

two points over the next

9:29

eight minutes. And when they got

9:32

it to 93, they didn't score

9:34

any points for

9:36

four minutes and 37 seconds. Again,

9:40

they're waiting to give you their money. I

9:43

knew if I were a Dallas fan after game

9:45

two, I'd be like, they were terrible from three.

9:47

They were up nine, even though Boston was six

9:49

to 30 from three. And then they

9:51

had that brutal stretch towards the end. This

9:54

was almost the entire fourth quarter.

9:56

There was also another step back

9:58

three from. him

10:00

later where he's trying to put the game

10:02

away where you're like what is what is

10:04

that now drew holiday may have

10:06

had the play of the game jaylen brown hit a turnaround

10:08

shot later that was kind of game but drew holiday at

10:10

98 92 when he made it 98 92 it

10:12

was almost like he just thought all

10:15

right enough of this shit drives baseline

10:17

throws a ridiculous pass Derek white hits a

10:19

three so Luca had fouled

10:21

out at four

10:23

twelve on the hoerford travel play

10:26

that i mentioned there's also another hoerford turnover in

10:28

there where you got a rebound and decided to

10:30

bring the ball up by himself for whatever reason

10:32

and turn it over it's just unbelievable how great

10:34

this offensive team is how great they are defensively

10:36

how great all the stats are over and over

10:38

and over again and you're like wait if this

10:40

team is this good why do

10:42

they do stuff like that for like eight straight

10:45

minutes when it's the difference between likely closing out

10:47

your opponent with one more game to win and

10:49

four more chances versus dallas going

10:51

all right we survived it historic comeback

10:53

it's 2-1 and persingas

10:56

may or may not be coming back

10:58

you know building some confidence all of

11:00

that like that entire quarter is about

11:02

two very divergent paths and

11:04

boston just decided to put on one of the

11:06

worst displays of offense that we've seen in the

11:08

playoffs so luca is a

11:11

big topic as well because all

11:13

of these things end up massive

11:15

referendums on the biggest stars so

11:18

when he drives on tatum

11:20

at 93 87 he flops

11:22

goes into the baseline seats it's five on

11:25

four luckily they get the hoerford travel but

11:27

that's a huge possession obviously in that moment

11:29

but luca's so mad about not getting the

11:31

call that he just hangs back he

11:34

fouls out at four twelve when it's 93 90 i

11:37

think it's a terrible decision with five fouls

11:39

to put yourself at risk of trying to

11:41

get a charge on kind of

11:43

a scramble play uh where

11:45

tatum's bringing it up in transition there's just

11:48

not even if you're going to get that

11:50

call you can't risk it being your sixth

11:53

where you're like wait i'll add to this

11:55

when i'm sitting at home much like you're sitting at

11:57

home watching that game you're thinking are they really We

18:00

got the Alliance finally. And

18:03

now the line sits at Boston minus a

18:05

point. So we'll see if that moves at

18:07

all. That one feels a

18:09

little tougher because you just don't know if Boston's gonna

18:12

be like, eh, I don't know. But here's the thing,

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don't want to spend a couple thousand dollars in a

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van and whatever tools I would need to realize that I'm

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severely under qualified and can't do it. Since

1:06:09

y'all seem more experienced with this stuff, would

1:06:11

it be feasible to go from zero experience

1:06:14

to renovating a van? How much

1:06:16

would I have to spend on tools to get it

1:06:18

done? Is van life by yourself in your early 20s,

1:06:20

a dumb idea and investment in general? Also, I do

1:06:22

not have a car. Should I

1:06:24

buy one before this? Maybe start with

1:06:26

a vehicle. I had

1:06:29

to get my dad on the pod for this one. He would have all

1:06:31

the answers. I don't know. I

1:06:35

mean, look, the way you framed it out, pun, this

1:06:40

sounds like a bad idea. You

1:06:43

think? I have no experience doing any of these

1:06:45

things, but I want to do it. I

1:06:47

will say the van thing is oversaturated.

1:06:51

What? Van bubble? Well,

1:06:54

there's just too many people when I scroll on

1:06:56

my Instagram, TikTok, whatever on YouTube that are just

1:06:59

doing the van thing. I don't

1:07:01

care if you do it. If you want to do

1:07:03

it, go for it. I just don't think you need

1:07:05

to be a vlogger because there's just too many of

1:07:07

those already. But whenever I see it. Sounds

1:07:09

like vans are in your algorithm. Sounds like you're

1:07:11

watching a lot of van stuff, buddy. Maybe you're

1:07:13

too close to this subject. Well, you know how

1:07:15

you get the stuff in your feed that you

1:07:17

don't really want? I got a bunch

1:07:19

of gnarly accident videos and I'm like, what is,

1:07:21

now they're all in my feed. Well, you stop

1:07:23

for one second and then they're like, oh yeah,

1:07:26

he's a big accident guy. So that's

1:07:28

where I'm at. But I had a big van thing

1:07:30

for a while and those vans, some of them are

1:07:32

like really nice. I'd

1:07:34

imagine, I don't know, maybe the YouTube money is probably

1:07:36

pretty good if you're doing that, but again, it seemed

1:07:38

kind of late to the party. So I don't know

1:07:40

anything about renovating them. I'd imagine if you have zero

1:07:43

skill, it's gonna be a big

1:07:45

problem starting from zero. Can

1:07:48

you just like do an Airbnb thing? Like I had a buddy

1:07:50

that just kind of traveled to a bunch of different cities when

1:07:52

he got out of college. Didn't have a van, he just Airbnb'd.

1:07:54

And he didn't spend a ton of money on housing

1:07:57

and stuff and just figured out what city he wanted to

1:07:59

live in. he did. Why can't you just do that? Yeah,

1:08:02

I mean, we're definitely a pro bet

1:08:04

on yourself podcast, but this seems like it might

1:08:06

take years and then you might not complete it.

1:08:11

If we're doing an alliance on this, my pick is going

1:08:13

to be like, you give up on

1:08:15

this after several years and then you've got a

1:08:17

half completed van that might not even be done

1:08:19

correctly. I

1:08:21

think it'll just be like a story where people ask

1:08:23

me like, how are those rabbits doing? You hate in

1:08:26

your life. They're going to be like, how's the van

1:08:28

guy doing great? You're

1:08:30

the guy with the money pit

1:08:32

van. You're spending your Saturdays just

1:08:34

like scratching your head, trying

1:08:36

to figure out what this part is that you need to

1:08:38

find or where how'd I get to it? That happened to

1:08:40

me. I inherited like a riding tractor mower because I was

1:08:42

like, yeah, I'm going to do this in the backyard. It's

1:08:44

going to be awesome. Belt popped. That thing's been in my

1:08:47

shed for like two years. Think I'm fixing

1:08:49

that thing? Nope. I

1:08:51

didn't realize we had such a

1:08:53

great van resource though. You're on

1:08:55

the show. You

1:08:58

said something that I think kind of confirms it

1:09:00

for me that you shouldn't do this is I

1:09:02

don't know how to do any electrical. I don't

1:09:04

know how to do any plumbing. I only did

1:09:06

framing and some

1:09:09

flooring, shingles, roofing. Anybody

1:09:11

can do roofing. I wouldn't say

1:09:13

well. Shingles, you just kind

1:09:15

of have to have an eye for it.

1:09:17

Dex, that was

1:09:19

great. But there

1:09:23

were things I would look at and be like, I have

1:09:25

no idea what's going on there. Okay. And I think I

1:09:27

was pretty handy at one point because I was able to

1:09:29

do some of those things. But

1:09:31

it's a bit like a foreign language where then

1:09:35

I have the tools and I thought it was cool to

1:09:37

have like tools. I bought a circular saw when I was

1:09:39

in Connecticut because I was like, oh, this is the bright

1:09:41

one to get. I'm like here and never use this. That's

1:09:43

what men do. Yeah. Yeah. What are you going to do?

1:09:45

Build a deck? Like you didn't even

1:09:48

have any land. Get some land first. Circular

1:09:52

saw guy. So the

1:09:55

reason I, I, there was a couple things

1:09:57

that I would do later on far removed

1:09:59

from the that point in my life where

1:10:01

I was like, man, your skills are, uh,

1:10:04

your skills are a little diminished here. And

1:10:07

if you have zero going into this, um,

1:10:11

and you're admitting that you're kind of a dumbass

1:10:13

with this stuff, like this takes incredible

1:10:16

patience. And I wouldn't say

1:10:18

like an engineer's mind, like

1:10:20

you could probably figure it

1:10:22

out, but I'm doing a

1:10:25

poor job of explaining this. I

1:10:27

think it's, I

1:10:30

think it's like the guy in your group that

1:10:32

it's, you just don't trust to hold something versus

1:10:34

the guy that you do. Right?

1:10:36

Where do you have

1:10:38

a habit of just breaking

1:10:41

shit? Do you have a habit of

1:10:44

somebody lends you something and then you

1:10:46

returning it damaged? I

1:10:48

just think that there are people, whether it's

1:10:50

caring about other people's property, respecting the property,

1:10:53

or sometimes even just respecting or caring about

1:10:55

the condition of their own property. I

1:10:58

think you have to be wired

1:11:01

in a way that gives you

1:11:04

an advantage going into this so

1:11:06

blindly. And if

1:11:08

you, I don't know, as simple

1:11:10

as you fall down, you know, am

1:11:12

I making any sense here? Here's, here's

1:11:14

a perfect example. When you leave your apartment with

1:11:17

your suitcase, do

1:11:19

you always fucking smack it into something and

1:11:22

leave a mark like Chip and Nick, surrutides,

1:11:26

or, or do you like

1:11:29

go, okay, let me get the right angle. Let

1:11:32

me take my steps patiently and let

1:11:34

me make sure I don't smash my

1:11:36

suitcase into my walls.

1:11:39

Like, here's another example. I had a friend staying with

1:11:41

me and I set him up in the guest room.

1:11:44

There was a little Ottoman deal in the corner and

1:11:47

he put down a suitcase and he opened

1:11:49

up the top of it and he just

1:11:51

flapped it right open and it dented both

1:11:54

corners of the sheetrock. He

1:11:56

was there 30 seconds. And

1:11:59

I was like, dude. Yeah,

1:16:01

I've just seen people paint like everybody's like

1:16:03

I'll just grab some brushes and then I'll grab some

1:16:05

paint it's like I'll I'll figure

1:16:07

this out and they kind of think they killed

1:16:09

it and Then anybody that

1:16:12

actually knows how to paint a contractor. Yeah would

1:16:14

look at it and go. Oh my god, like

1:16:16

what the fuck is this? I Give

1:16:19

them in three months. Yeah, right. Okay

1:16:23

We did do this one before go ahead.

1:16:25

What'd you have? No, I was just saying we did obviously we were

1:16:27

just super negative there So, you know, I mean we're not trying to

1:16:29

kill everyone's dreams, but but just trying to be realistic I

1:16:32

think we did him a favor. Yeah, he takes

1:16:34

our advice not what you want to hear but sometimes what

1:16:36

you have to hear So

1:16:38

we did did we do this one about the full

1:16:40

frontal on the work zoom call? I think we did

1:16:43

I Don't know. I feel

1:16:45

like that would ring a bell and unless it already happened

1:16:47

to a very famous dude at CNN I've don't this thing.

1:16:49

This is the first time I heard him It's

1:16:53

not from him to Yeah,

1:16:57

so I Guess

1:16:59

I'll read it again. I think we did because I

1:17:01

remember the The

1:17:04

shout out that she gave because she was a big

1:17:06

Michael Porter junior fan Because

1:17:09

she played hoops. Yeah,

1:17:11

she played hoops in college. So Here's

1:17:14

what she sent us months ago work

1:17:17

for a Sizes company New York

1:17:19

City with this company work closely with a team

1:17:21

about 20 about two weeks ago in an internal

1:17:23

zoom meeting with 12 people one of my co-workers

1:17:25

will say mark was talking to my boss about

1:17:28

a project We're working on is their discussion discussing

1:17:30

the project a guy who is new ish here

1:17:32

We'll call him Ken 45 years old I

1:17:35

guess somehow accidentally turns on his camera now everyone

1:17:37

can see Ken is completely naked with his dick

1:17:39

right in view of the camera To make it

1:17:41

worse. The camera is facing his bed and in

1:17:43

the distance. There's a naked woman in the bed

1:17:45

So we're all looking close up with this. Yeah

1:17:47

worse. Yeah, what's that? I don't think that's worse. I

1:17:49

think he's got a better alibi than before. Yeah, at

1:17:52

least it's an excuse I don't know like just

1:17:54

being naked for no reason but

1:17:56

anyway Interesting and

1:17:59

thought of it that way Does it make it

1:18:01

better? She had written the email

1:18:03

and said, and to make things slightly better,

1:18:06

I don't think anybody would ever write it that way. So...

1:18:11

But to improve the situation... At

1:18:14

least. Yeah,

1:18:16

I don't... I

1:18:19

think I'm agreeing with the email and her version

1:18:21

of storytelling here. So we're

1:18:23

all looking at a close-up of Ken's genitals and

1:18:25

a woman off in the background in the bed.

1:18:27

I know Ken is divorced. Mark,

1:18:29

who was talking, stopped mid-sentence and said, what the hell

1:18:32

is going on here? After about

1:18:34

30 seconds of discomfort, my boss goes, Ken, please turn

1:18:36

off your camera. Ken turns his camera

1:18:38

off, then turns his mic on and says, sorry

1:18:40

about that, guys. What

1:18:43

are you supposed to do? You have to leave

1:18:45

your job in that situation. You can't be there

1:18:47

anymore. Unless it's

1:18:49

really impressive, and then

1:18:52

you could probably stay. But... Anyone

1:18:56

have any questions? I

1:19:00

don't want to read into it that much, but

1:19:03

that woman in the background looked very satisfied. Can

1:19:05

I just ask before we move any further, what

1:19:07

kind of angle do you need to have... This

1:19:10

thing's already a mess. I'm sorry. What kind

1:19:12

of zoom angle do you need to have

1:19:14

to see your crotch and your face? Or

1:19:16

maybe his face wasn't even there. What

1:19:20

kind of angle would you have to have to

1:19:23

be sitting at your computer and I

1:19:25

could see both your head and standing,

1:19:27

I guess. What if

1:19:29

he's standing and she's off to the side? It could be. You're right.

1:19:32

It could be. I don't know. Maybe his

1:19:34

face wasn't in there and he's

1:19:36

just got deniability. He's like, I don't know. I'm hacked.

1:19:41

What if he says, oh, my kids are messing around

1:19:43

with the backgrounds again? We're

1:19:48

a pretty liberal family. We're

1:19:51

laid back about all this stuff. Okay.

1:19:56

I love the commentary. Can

1:19:59

please turn off your camera. Sorry about

1:20:01

that guys. The meeting continued and ended at its

1:20:03

regularly scheduled time to end. The next day, Mark

1:20:05

sent an email to our boss and copied HR

1:20:07

saying he no longer wants to work on projects

1:20:09

with Ken because he quote, showed up to an

1:20:12

online meeting fully naked with another person in the

1:20:14

background. Our boss emailed back and said

1:20:16

he and HR looking into the incident will decide

1:20:18

how to proceed. Since this everything has, since

1:20:21

this everything has been business as usual. Side note,

1:20:23

one of our other coworkers was on the call

1:20:25

and said he didn't know what was going on.

1:20:27

He just thought it was quote, a finger and

1:20:29

some hair. I

1:20:32

don't think we, why is the Michael

1:20:34

Ford Jr. thing making

1:20:37

me think we read it? And then now that

1:20:40

line. No way have I heard this before,

1:20:42

a finger and some hair. Kyle would

1:20:44

have tried that. I

1:20:46

am one of the few girls in my office

1:20:48

and on my team, I worked in a male

1:20:50

dominated field. My seat in the office is very

1:20:52

close to Ken. Since the incident, I don't feel

1:20:54

comfortable being around him or speaking to him. I

1:20:56

don't know if that person or actions has happened.

1:20:58

I saw him in the hallway. He said, sup

1:21:00

boss and reach out to give

1:21:02

me knuckles. Boss

1:21:05

Ken's doing fine. Ken's

1:21:08

guys. He's not. I

1:21:11

gotta tell you, there are times in life,

1:21:13

like maybe the ultimate goal is to be

1:21:15

unfeasible. Ken has reached it.

1:21:19

Sup boss. I responded

1:21:21

by saying nothing and practically slamming myself on the wall

1:21:23

and attempt to dodge him in his hand. My question

1:21:25

is showing a full frontal on zoom is absurd. Shouldn't

1:21:28

Ken be fired? Should I reach out to HR as

1:21:30

well? Or just ask for my seat to be moved?

1:21:32

If it's two plus weeks, why is

1:21:34

my company not acknowledging this? God, knowing how things

1:21:36

go, I'm surprised you didn't just ask for a

1:21:38

promotion and you would have gotten it. You

1:21:41

definitely could have asked for your seat to be moved. That's

1:21:43

a no brainer. I mean, you

1:21:46

basically on the sup boss knuckles exchange,

1:21:48

kind of let them know with body

1:21:50

language that you weren't exactly down to

1:21:54

be his friend. So she

1:21:56

sent us an update after

1:21:58

four long and uncomfortable months. our work flashers

1:22:00

finally been fired. He was not fired for

1:22:03

the obvious reason of the flashing incident. He

1:22:05

was fired because he did not show up to work

1:22:07

on Monday. He told some coworkers on our boss, he

1:22:09

had a funeral. My boss was skeptical because of his

1:22:11

flaky attendance in the past. My boss

1:22:14

had IT look into his computer log hours and

1:22:16

as it turns out, he had a golf outing

1:22:18

on his Outlook calendar to make it even worse

1:22:21

when he came in the day after he told

1:22:23

people about how sad the funeral was. Unfasable. You

1:22:26

know, there was like 1% of me that wanted to

1:22:28

be like, alright, Ken was naked on the Zoom. He

1:22:31

may be fucked up, maybe he's not. Is he automatically the

1:22:33

worst dude in the world if he screwed up? Clearly he's a

1:22:35

little bit weird. But now that's

1:22:37

gone. Alright, this guy sucks. It's

1:22:39

gone. I think I just wanted

1:22:41

to read that. There's not really anything else to add, so

1:22:44

we should do one more. Yeah. Speaking

1:22:46

of a golf outing. Alright. Sup,

1:22:48

boys? Uh, 5'10", no impressive gym stats,

1:22:51

but a 4'2 amateur jujitsu record. Mmm,

1:22:55

look out. Let's get to the

1:22:57

chase. My office was out yesterday for golf outings.

1:22:59

It's a small business. What if this guy's Ken?

1:23:01

I recently got

1:23:03

fired. Yeah. Like,

1:23:06

he chimes in. He's

1:23:09

like, 4'0". Everyone's so sensitive today. I don't know what

1:23:11

to be dealing with. 275, 315 dead left. Did

1:23:16

show my dick on a Zoom at work once. Alright. Alright,

1:23:21

small business. We had to go to two separate

1:23:23

outings because they were mistakenly scheduled for

1:23:25

the same day with me being the newest guy. And

1:23:28

by the way, how about the Pat's Hall

1:23:30

of Fame induction ceremony during the NBA Finals?

1:23:34

Should WIC have issue with the Kraft family? Did

1:23:36

you not believe in us to schedule this

1:23:39

during the NBA Finals? Alright.

1:23:42

Yeah, I thought there could have been a bad day. I agree. Yeah.

1:23:45

Yeah. What's going on with

1:23:47

Brady? How about this? Yesterday was 6'12".

1:23:49

Do you think that has something to

1:23:51

do with it? The statue's going to

1:23:53

be 12 feet, Kyle. When are you going to go visit it? Probably

1:23:57

the first time I set foot

1:23:59

in Massachusetts. So that'd

1:24:01

be cool. I think that's a great use of

1:24:03

time. Okay. All right. So we had to

1:24:06

go to two separate outings because they're mistakenly scheduled for

1:24:08

the same day with me being the newest guy in

1:24:10

the office of 15, five guys that can golf meant

1:24:12

that I went with the other salesman who's

1:24:16

who golfs the least of

1:24:18

all of us and went

1:24:20

to the lesser golf event. The other salesman in

1:24:22

question, let's call him Dave mid 40s, burn along

1:24:24

his buddies from high school round goes fine. We're

1:24:26

smoking. We're drinking a little smoke and a little

1:24:28

drinking. We can we

1:24:30

use most of my balls in the scramble.

1:24:33

He said in parentheses, though I was clearly

1:24:35

the fourth we're or the throuple the whole

1:24:37

time. And when we got

1:24:39

to the 12th hole of our round, the three of

1:24:41

them mentioned they have to go to various practices for

1:24:43

the kids that we should leave early, not

1:24:45

wanting to play by myself or six holes in the middle of

1:24:47

a log jam. I also left. Now I come in this morning

1:24:50

to greet my project manner. And she asks, how was the round

1:24:52

to which I reply with the previous. She

1:24:54

then gets pretty upset and informs me. I

1:24:56

should have to tell the CEO of our

1:24:58

small company what happened. Turns out

1:25:01

the golf ball sponsors of the event

1:25:05

were expected. Turns out the golf ball

1:25:07

sponsors went of the event were expected to stay for

1:25:09

the dinner after not communicated to me

1:25:12

that on top of leaving early of an expensive

1:25:14

outing for the business was not seen as kosher to

1:25:16

say the least. As much as I could throw this

1:25:18

dude under the bus, I don't think it's really necessary.

1:25:20

I feel I can say the

1:25:23

round went well. My boss wouldn't care and move on. Though

1:25:25

my project manager clearly thinks differently. What should I do? And

1:25:29

do the boys have any company golf outing

1:25:31

stories to share with Saruti using his high

1:25:33

school golf experience to hustle some ESPN execs?

1:25:35

Want to take that last one first, Saruti?

1:25:37

No, definitely not. I played in the ESPN

1:25:39

tournament a couple of times, but nothing. There

1:25:42

was nothing crazy. Trying to

1:25:44

think of which execs would even invite you to golf. Yikes.

1:25:47

Ouch. I'm

1:25:49

just being realistic. Well,

1:25:52

I'm not. Jesus Christ, dude. I

1:25:55

don't know. I mean, I didn't really try to think. What?

1:25:57

Hey, I know how the place operates. Rudy.

1:26:01

No, not because of you or your personality, but just

1:26:03

like the fact that somebody high up would be like,

1:26:05

you know what? Who's working behind

1:26:07

the glass today that I can golf with? It's not 30

1:26:09

yet. Yeah, they're trying

1:26:11

to golf with JJ Reddick. Sounds better when you explain

1:26:14

it, but we'll always have the clip. Sorry.

1:26:17

They heard a little bit. Look, I think there's a couple

1:26:19

people that got like three contracts out of that place just

1:26:21

because they played at Avon. Smart

1:26:26

thing to do. I could do it all over again.

1:26:28

Join Avon. Probably

1:26:31

not though. Okay. So

1:26:35

here's my main concern. If

1:26:37

the project manager freaked on

1:26:39

you about a potential CEO freak out,

1:26:42

you have to tell the CEO now. You

1:26:45

definitely can't lie and say everything was

1:26:48

fine. So my

1:26:50

guess would be, well, I don't

1:26:52

know. I don't know how everybody's different with

1:26:54

this kind of stuff. You're supposed to go to the dinner

1:26:56

after, but nobody told you. The

1:26:59

problem is, is now somebody else knows what

1:27:01

happened and it's going to get around. And

1:27:04

sometimes people love just sharing stuff. It's

1:27:06

not because they're evil, but

1:27:08

it it's this like, Oh, Hey,

1:27:11

I get to bitch about a coworker right

1:27:13

now. And it's somebody underneath me. He's like,

1:27:15

Oh, did you hear what Brad and the

1:27:17

guys did at the golf outing? They left

1:27:19

early. You know, so now she's

1:27:21

getting the first word in. She's

1:27:23

getting the opening statement and the

1:27:26

closing statement before you even addressed

1:27:28

it. So I

1:27:30

know the easier thing is like, why even

1:27:32

put yourself out there? But there's a mole

1:27:34

now there's a mole. And if

1:27:36

she was upset, that means she thinks it's important.

1:27:38

And that means she's probably at some point going

1:27:40

to share it, whether it's like a direct thing

1:27:42

or it's just going to come up at some

1:27:44

point down the road. And so

1:27:47

you could maybe save yourself by never

1:27:49

saying anything. But if you lie, then

1:27:51

it becomes way worse with the

1:27:53

whole deal. So maybe

1:27:55

you can find like a casual setting if

1:27:57

it's a small business, maybe the next

1:28:00

work trip. I don't know if you're at the

1:28:02

Hotel Marriott just experiencing life

1:28:04

together. You say, Hey, dude, I

1:28:07

don't know if you heard, but I kind of wanted

1:28:09

to explain what happened to this golf outing. And

1:28:12

now that I see like I can see where I've set, but

1:28:14

you have to understand like my intent or

1:28:16

the things that I did not intend. And

1:28:18

by the way, nobody even told me there was a dinner

1:28:21

after the fact. And so I was just playing by myself

1:28:23

and I was kind of in everybody's way. So because I

1:28:25

golf, I was like, well, I don't want to do this.

1:28:27

And it would never mean

1:28:29

that I was ever doing it, not

1:28:31

appreciating what you were doing or being

1:28:33

disrespectful. It still may not work or

1:28:35

he may not care, but I

1:28:37

still feel like those two avenues are

1:28:39

way better outcomes than you certainly

1:28:43

ignoring it. And worse than that lying about

1:28:45

what happened. Well, where

1:28:48

everyone in his foursome was working

1:28:51

for the company or there, didn't he say something about high school

1:28:53

buddies or were they, they high school buddies

1:28:55

that also worked for the company? Like, was there any outside

1:28:57

guy in this group? Yeah,

1:29:01

see, there's one salesman and then

1:29:03

he brought his buddies from high

1:29:05

school. So that means, yeah.

1:29:08

So he doesn't want to throw him under the bus, Kyle.

1:29:10

There you go. So I hear it. Thinking about the other

1:29:12

guy. You've got a couple options here. A, you say nothing,

1:29:14

which you're saying maybe, maybe would hurt you in the long

1:29:16

run. B, if you

1:29:18

do try to say, which what I was going to

1:29:20

suggest was saying, listen, like I didn't even know we

1:29:23

were allowed to still play. I thought we needed to

1:29:25

have our full thing. And, you know, I just,

1:29:27

I left because I thought it was, it seemed like,

1:29:30

like you said, things were log jammed and I was,

1:29:32

I was alone and I just thought the rules were

1:29:34

different. But then, you know, then some

1:29:36

people don't like when you throw other people under the bus, like

1:29:39

even in an explanation, like, Oh, this guy, it doesn't

1:29:41

own your shit. I think sometimes when you do make

1:29:43

a mistake, the best thing you could do is own

1:29:45

up to it. Be like, Hey, I got nothing to

1:29:47

say other than I'm sorry, there was a little miscommunication,

1:29:49

but that's on me. So maybe

1:29:51

that maybe that's the move. Although I

1:29:53

could understand saying, listen, there were some outside guys that really didn't

1:29:55

care about this. And I just didn't think it was an option

1:29:57

for me to stick around. Like I thought there was real rules.

1:30:00

here. Can we get some

1:30:02

clarification on the like the

1:30:04

leadership hierarchy? So the project manager

1:30:06

is mad. The CEO doesn't know

1:30:08

but then they say that he didn't think the

1:30:10

boss would care or that it would be that

1:30:12

big of a deal. So is there like a third I'm confused about

1:30:14

that. See,

1:30:17

I just don't like where he says as much

1:30:21

as I could throw this dude under the bus, which

1:30:23

I again understand why you wouldn't want to I don't

1:30:25

think it's necessary. I feel I can say the round

1:30:27

went well my boss wouldn't care and move on. Yeah,

1:30:30

I don't know the project manager is the

1:30:32

flaw in your entire deception game here. If

1:30:35

she was upset, she's going

1:30:37

to tell on you. In that case,

1:30:39

I would tell the boss what happened then. Be

1:30:42

like, Hey, project manager got real upset. Now,

1:30:44

by the way, she might be overstating her

1:30:46

whole deal with some

1:30:48

fucking ridiculous corporate structure power

1:30:51

play thing of like, I

1:30:53

can get mad at you because of the

1:30:55

hierarchy. This is unacceptable. Yeah, probably words. I'm

1:30:58

going to make this right. I'm going to

1:31:00

make this a way bigger deal because most

1:31:03

of the shit I do here is pointless. So

1:31:05

I'm just going to get on your case about shit. Because

1:31:08

that's what I like to do. Instead of solving

1:31:10

problems, I like to add I like to layer them on

1:31:12

like a cake. So you

1:31:16

know, you should have said anything. Obviously,

1:31:18

you screwed that part up. You should have just told her

1:31:20

what you plan on telling the CEO, but you

1:31:23

don't have to necessarily throw the other guy into the bus. You could

1:31:25

just go to the other guy and be like, Hey, do you know,

1:31:27

she got like pissed. Now he might say, why did you tell her?

1:31:29

So now you have to deal with that. I mean, ultimately, this thing

1:31:31

is not a do you do a good job? Are you awesome at

1:31:33

your job? If the answer is yes, no

1:31:36

one's going to give a shit about this. So

1:31:39

maybe they're mad for a little while, but I would you

1:31:42

have a rat. You have a rat. Yeah,

1:31:44

I think inside. I think owning shit like that is

1:31:46

better than like coming off as a little bit of

1:31:48

a weasel or a rat about it. So I think

1:31:51

people do respect that if you're just like, I'm not going to

1:31:53

try to tell you seven reasons why

1:31:55

this didn't go well. I'm sorry.

1:31:57

I understand. Yeah.