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little tales from the couch for you. We're gonna

1:52

do two games and really spend a lot of

1:54

time on the headliner and that's Minnesota at Denver.

1:57

Not only a preview of what could happen in

1:59

the playoffs. more importantly, at least right now,

2:01

because I still think seating matters. I think seating really

2:03

matters. If Denver can get a home game, a game

2:05

seven in the Western conference finals. Uh,

2:07

I would think that's something that you want to, don't want to do.

2:09

And the way Denver had the West last year, it's just different. Like

2:11

they've got to play strong the rest of the way. We'll talk about

2:13

the schedules. I don't know that we get super in a match-ups because

2:16

the stuff could change. Just a matter of 48 hours. So,

2:18

um, the biggest thing that I look for

2:20

when Denver's playing Minnesota is just kind of

2:22

how both coaches work, the yokich,

2:26

naz matchup, along with Ruygber and Aaron

2:28

Gordon. So if you look at this,

2:30

the original assignment, the way this game

2:32

will start is that they want naz

2:34

read on yokich and they want

2:36

Rudy go bear on Aaron Gordon, and

2:38

this is good for Minnesota because Minnesota can

2:40

use Rudy as somebody who's going to float.

2:42

Now, if Gordon wants to play in the

2:44

perimeter to try to grab Rudy away

2:47

from the basket, then Minnesota is going to live with

2:49

that. Like, all right, fine. Aaron, go ahead and take

2:51

shots. A shot from the perimeter from Aaron. Gordon is

2:53

a win for Minnesota one because Gordon's not shooting well

2:55

this year. It's not really who he is. Uh,

2:58

number two, it's a

3:00

shot that yokich and Murray are not taking. Um,

3:04

and one of the best parts about Denver's

3:06

offense this year against most teams is that

3:08

Gordon runs the baseline in that dunker spot.

3:10

So whenever the help comes to yokich, then

3:12

Gordon's eating for free. I would point you

3:14

to the Gordon game that he had against

3:16

Boston, the one in Denver where you're like,

3:18

okay, well, you have to figure out a

3:20

way to recover, but it's just hard to

3:22

recover when you don't have that size. If

3:24

you're big guys are already on yokich. But

3:26

in this case, the second biggest guys on

3:28

yokich, Rudy's left to kind of float. Now,

3:30

when I think about defensively, like the floating

3:32

big Rob Williams, when he was with Boston,

3:34

they put up these terrific defensive numbers, but

3:36

it was very much based on like Rob

3:38

Williams assignment, if it was a

3:41

non shooting. For then they'd

3:43

be like, go ahead. Just like Aaron Gordon, like

3:45

go ahead, do whatever you want. And then we're

3:47

going to let Rob Williams come to the rim

3:49

and crash and deflect shots and all these different

3:51

things. Like Rob Williams is not as good of

3:53

a defensive player as Rigo bear is, but he

3:56

was really good at that thing. And

3:58

in this matchup, it's almost. allowing go bear

4:00

to be like, Hey, you get to just

4:02

kind of come and help. And I think

4:04

it's a lot easier as the second defender

4:06

actually to play defense because you're not on

4:08

the man with the ball. You're not worried

4:10

about, especially with somebody like Yochitche, the toolbox

4:12

of skills that he has at getting

4:14

free right around the rim. You can just sort of wait

4:16

until the shot goes up. So what

4:18

I look for is the substitution patterns

4:21

on how Mike Bologna wants to get Gordon in

4:24

there or out of there. And I think last

4:26

night was really telling with this. So

4:28

when you look at Gordon's numbers in his four

4:30

games against Minnesota, he's averaging 9.3 points per game.

4:33

It's his third lowest points per game against any

4:35

NBA team this season. He was subbed out at

4:37

531. Um,

4:40

and then Minnesota

4:42

actually brought Nas out as well. And

4:45

if you look at him coming out, Gordon at 531,

4:47

he averages nine minutes

4:49

a game in the first quarter. All right. So

4:52

we can get into substitution patterns with most

4:54

teams are pretty rigid on this kind of

4:56

stuff, unless the game itself, like it dictates

4:58

or foul trouble, that kind of stuff. So

5:00

then you have Rudy on Yochitche and you

5:02

could see when it was just those two,

5:04

Yochitche doesn't really have any fear,

5:07

uh, at going at Rudy one-on-one. I'm

5:09

not saying it's easy, but he's

5:11

not deterred at all. Uh,

5:13

Minnesota actually close with Kyle Anderson on the Yochitche,

5:15

uh, in the first quarter, and again, the Nas

5:17

foul trouble probably played into some of this where

5:20

maybe Minnesota would have used him a little bit

5:22

more straight up on him, but the reason he's

5:24

in foul trouble. Granted, it's just, Yochitche is that

5:26

tough. Um, I

5:29

think the most important thing on the Gordon sub

5:31

stuff and we'll move on from

5:33

this, I promise is that Gordon was subbed out at 731 of

5:35

the fourth quarter, he never came back

5:37

in. And

5:39

that's when Denver's offense started

5:42

to look like Denver's offense again. You

5:45

know, watching Denver run away from Minnesota in

5:47

the fourth quarter, just surgical in

5:49

that fourth quarter, we'll get some of those plays. Uh,

5:52

I don't know that it was just because Gordon wasn't

5:54

out there, but it was, it's

5:58

a combination of a lot of different factors. I

6:00

mean it turned into a dunk contest at one

6:02

point there for the Nuggets But we've seen the

6:04

Nuggets throughout the entire season be like,

6:07

okay It's go time

6:09

this game is over but to do it against

6:11

Minnesota who I thought did a really good job

6:13

in the first half Where the games close at

6:15

the half? It's 52

6:17

49 Minnesota at the half, but it felt like

6:19

it was kind of a clunky offensive half for

6:22

the Nuggets It didn't it didn't look the way the

6:24

Nuggets are supposed to look and that's a credit them

6:26

This sort of is the best defensive team in

6:29

the league. So the

6:31

other matchup would be Jaden

6:33

against Murray and It's

6:36

just not the freedom the level of freedom that

6:38

we're used to seeing with Murray have on offense

6:40

where you can kind of dribble And get into his

6:43

stuff Because McDain is gonna

6:45

pick him up as you know, it's tight as

6:47

he can That's why you get to the foul

6:49

trouble because he's so aggressive on the ball But

6:51

I think it's probably worth it. You

6:53

could get into the debate of You

6:56

know how smart some of the fouls are

6:58

and I think it'd be fair criticism They're

7:00

also the overall factor of like how soon

7:02

the opponent's getting into the bonus if he's

7:04

taking some bad fouls there But I think

7:06

you take that with him because

7:08

he's just so aggressive and he's

7:10

fighting the entire time It's

7:12

not like Murray gets shut down I mean he

7:15

had 20 last night when they got it going

7:17

with he and Jokic when they're pulling away in

7:19

this game, it started to look

7:21

more like Denver's offense But he

7:23

was 8 of 13 But he didn't take any

7:25

free throws last night So a lot of the

7:27

Denver work to get Murray free is like you almost

7:29

have to set two screens Because

7:32

Jane's gonna fight through the first one or if you don't get

7:34

a good angle on it He's clear like there was a lot

7:36

of stuff they were doing with Murray where it was like All

7:38

right, they have to set a couple screens here. Just try to

7:40

get him free Fourth quarter

7:42

as I mentioned surgery 88 87 with 846 to go then six minutes later.

7:45

It's 110 94 Christian

7:51

Brown had a dunk on Rudy. That

7:53

was just nuts I mean

7:56

he goes up looks like he wants to go to

7:58

his right hand. He's on the left side So

8:00

then get clear of it and hope he can not

8:02

get it blocked. He finishes with his left hand.

8:04

He had another dunk in there that was sick.

8:06

Peyton Watson's activity. I don't know if he's gonna

8:08

be a star, but the way he's coming in

8:10

and impacting these games with his defense and his

8:13

energy. And there's still, you can see he wants

8:15

a little bit more offense or

8:17

a little bit more freedom. He's just a

8:19

freak out there, man. It's awesome. And

8:22

it's a credit to Denver's front office for finding somebody

8:24

that you're like, you know what? Cuz

8:27

if you looked at some of his summer league stuff, you

8:29

go, okay, there's way more offense in there, but there's just

8:31

not enough room in an NBA game

8:34

for the five guys all to get to do what they

8:36

wanna do on offense. Those are the tanking teams. But

8:39

Watson in a limited

8:41

version of him, cuz I wonder if there's

8:43

this other version of him that will exist.

8:46

I just loved his game last night, but Brown

8:49

gets the dunk on Rudy. A

8:51

question about Christian Brown. Does he look like a guy

8:53

you would go to summer camp with that would lie

8:55

about his father having a helicopter? All

8:58

right, a couple numbers here that

9:00

I actually found a little surprising. Because

9:02

you can very simply go, well, that's

9:04

Minnesota. They struggled again, laid offense. And

9:07

I do think it's a real thing

9:09

that I'm going to worry about in

9:11

the playoffs. And that's why Cat at

9:14

least allows you this other offensive

9:17

option that's super efficient that

9:20

another team has to game plan differently

9:22

for. But the way they've

9:24

survived is that Nas Reed has

9:26

been incredible, this whole

9:29

run. So when

9:31

you look at their records and you look at

9:33

their number post-Cat, you're like,

9:36

wait, there wasn't really that much of a fall

9:38

off. Is that like we have cat debate, we've

9:40

already heard my version of the whole thing, but

9:44

here's what surprised me a bit. I was looking at

9:46

the fourth quarter offensive and defensive efficiency numbers for the

9:48

league post all-star break. You know, as the number one

9:50

offense in the fourth quarter after the all-star break,

9:53

Minnesota, as the number

9:55

one defense, Denver. So

9:58

if we look at the field goal attempts. for Jokic, depending

10:00

on the defensive assignments, Nas of his

10:03

20 field goals, six were against Nas,

10:05

eight were against Rudy, five

10:08

were against Kyle Anderson, and then Luke Garza there

10:10

at the very end. Let's talk a little bit

10:13

about Ant. He had zero points

10:15

in the fourth quarter, went zero for three after 15,

10:17

I believe, in the third quarter. And it was

10:20

Christian Brown on him. But it wasn't like Denver

10:22

just said, okay, we have to stop

10:24

Ant. Let's blow up our rules and

10:26

stop Ant. It was

10:28

just very passive from Edwards. And I know what

10:30

you're saying, Minnesota fans, don't worry, we'll get there.

10:34

There was, I went back and watched your possessions

10:36

this morning, standing in the corner,

10:40

action running the opposite side of him, not in the play.

10:43

There's another play where like, it gets,

10:45

he swings it, it was the right basketball play.

10:47

So he swings it, somebody else, they missed three.

10:50

I felt like some of the guys went early. Instead

10:53

of him, he just wasn't really

10:55

aggressive. They ran him, they had Edwards

10:57

bring it up. They ran horns, he

10:59

switches into a Murray, three where Murray

11:01

wasn't up on him. So it's like,

11:03

okay, this is open. But it

11:05

just wasn't very aggressive. He had one layup where he drove

11:07

kind of one on three. It was really tough to even

11:10

pull it off. And that's when they called the foul and

11:12

then overturned it. So it just

11:14

was slow. It wasn't necessarily this incredible

11:16

design by Denver to like face

11:19

guard them off the ball or double him on

11:21

everything and then forced the ball out of his hands.

11:23

He just wasn't really aggressive. And I know what you're

11:26

saying for some of you, Hey, he had 51

11:28

two nights ago against Washington

11:30

and maybe they shouldn't have played him that

11:32

many minutes. I think he played 38. They

11:35

got into Denver at 1am after that game because

11:37

that game was in Minnesota. And that's the whole

11:39

reason I just hate the default.

11:41

You've heard me say this. I hate the default. Well,

11:44

it was back to back. Okay.

11:46

All right. But you know, that

11:48

game kind of played out the way I think

11:50

a lot of us feel about the West as

11:53

deep and as unpredictable as the

11:55

West may feel like Denver

11:57

just dismantled them in six

11:59

minutes. On offense against the defensive

12:01

team that just looks terrific and look there were

12:03

a few moments there where we didn't see enough

12:05

of it with Yokoj and Murray where

12:09

You know, they got Rudy in a spot

12:11

where? He's kind of

12:13

playing two on one. They get enough

12:15

people out of the action We're now

12:17

it's Murray with the ball and Yokoj.

12:19

It's very simple, but it's incredibly effective

12:21

Hey Just keep going towards the rim So

12:23

Rudy has to think about you on the

12:26

other side of the lane as Murray is

12:28

coming down one side With the ball in

12:30

his hands Murray had a floater on one

12:32

then they ran it again was out of

12:34

bounds It was Denver's basketball And

12:37

then Yokoj put a spin move on Colbert that was

12:39

just filthy. So if we look at the West Denver

12:42

is now one game up on OKC in Minnesota.

12:44

So that's the one two and three seed

12:46

right now Denver finishes at

12:48

San Antonio at Memphis you'd

12:51

expect that that's not gonna be the hardest thing

12:54

OKC's home against Milwaukee in Dallas

12:56

and Then

12:59

Minnesota is home against Atlanta With Trey

13:01

Young back for the first game last

13:03

night since February 23rd and then Phoenix

13:06

So I don't know what kind of jockeying

13:08

that we're gonna see there at the very end speaking

13:11

of the rest of the West I don't

13:13

have to spend a lot of time on

13:15

Dallas because they just Destroyed Miami in the

13:17

first half Miami did make a push there

13:19

late and Dallas closed the door on

13:21

them That was

13:23

so impressive from Dallas and I know

13:26

Miami didn't have Roger and then I'm

13:28

Duncan Robinson But I've actually liked Miami

13:30

better after the all-star break Than

13:33

I did before but you never really know what to

13:35

do with them. Are they just coasting? It doesn't really

13:37

matter I thought that game kind of mattered for Miami

13:39

and Dallas looked like a complete level above them When

13:42

I say everything worked I think Kyrie and Luca had

13:44

40 combined in the first half the

13:46

defense of rotations the effort

13:49

just simple stuff Like hey a guy has a

13:51

catch at the rim. He's not my guy, you

13:53

know, Clebas walled up Gaffords walled up

13:55

So let me just reach in the

13:58

deflections and then Dallas wants to

14:00

go fast. They go fast and get right

14:02

up in the court and get a really

14:05

easy shot. I'll never understand why teams don't

14:07

at least want to off a

14:09

miss, push the ball, see if you

14:11

get a nice, you know, after the

14:13

break free. You know, there's just

14:16

open shots out there waiting, waiting for

14:18

you. Take them take their

14:20

money. I know

14:22

understand why there's teams that just were like,

14:24

Nope, let me let me just some of

14:26

the point guards that drive me crazy where

14:28

it's like, all right, I want defensive rebound,

14:31

pass it to me every time so I

14:33

can stop what we're doing and then

14:35

make sure I get in high pick and roll. And then that

14:37

way I can decide if I want to take a shot or

14:39

if I get an assist. So everybody thinks like I'm this awesome

14:41

team player because I have a ton of assists. I

14:43

don't understand doing that. Like, and if Dallas

14:45

wants to run the half court, they're going

14:47

to do that to you. And now you

14:49

can't sell out and double against Luca the

14:51

way other teams have in the past because

14:53

Kyrie's absolutely cooking and then Gaffer, who apparently

14:56

just doesn't miss any shots anymore with two

14:58

absurd field goal, make streets that he's had

15:00

this season. So if

15:02

it's tough to watch them and not

15:04

be like, God, like, am I

15:06

gonna, am I going to get dangerous

15:08

here with my wife? I wonder if anybody's

15:11

if Dallas, you know, continues it's like moving a

15:13

couple games to go here before the regular season

15:15

is over. I wonder how many people may

15:17

actually pick Dallas to win the West. I'm

15:19

not there. I'm, you know, look, this isn't

15:21

breaking news. I'm just going to pick Denver again.

15:23

I think I would have picked Denver again, even if Minnesota

15:26

got them last night and that season series,

15:28

it is a two a piece. And even Minnesota, you'd

15:30

be going, Oh, they'd won last night. They're up three,

15:32

one. They've got Denver's number. We saw it last year

15:34

with the injuries and the guys that were out last

15:36

year in the playoff series, even though it went to

15:38

five games. I feel like Minnesota gets so much credit

15:40

for that five game series, uh, in

15:43

the annals of NBA history. So

15:46

we've covered Dallas. I mean, a

15:48

couple more numbers here. Last 15 games,

15:50

Dallas is 13 and two. Number one, defense in the

15:52

league rebounding rate is up their eighth

15:54

and pace their fifth and shooting. They

15:56

just check a lot of that boxes.

15:59

And even when Miami would try to sell

16:01

out against Luca. It's just he's so big. It's like,

16:03

Oh, cool. You're going to double team

16:05

me to the sideline 30 feet away from

16:07

the hoop. All right, cool. I'll just back up here a little bit

16:09

and then I'm going to throw a pass right over the top view.

16:11

And now it's four on three. It's

16:14

going to be a lot. I do not envy

16:16

the coaches trying to figure out defensively, like what

16:18

they think they can go to there and Kyrie's

16:20

a little bit more locked in defensively. Jimmy Butler

16:22

came into the game fourth quarter. You're

16:24

like, all right, is Jimmy Butler going to get it going here? Nope.

16:28

One field goal attempt in the fourth. He

16:31

came in. They immediately were looking for Kyrie. They

16:33

were hunting him. They switched to Butler and do

16:35

them two or three times right away. And then

16:37

Butler was like, now I'm good. Like this

16:40

game's over. I'm not super into it. Butler's

16:42

not a huge field goal attempt per game

16:44

guy. I mean, he's 13 for his career.

16:46

You know, sometimes he'll sneak up a

16:48

few beyond that, but he's never been like an

16:50

18 or 20 shot guy with a

16:52

team. And part of that is offset

16:54

by how many free throws he always takes. He's always

16:56

at like seven or eight because he's just really good

16:58

at doing it. Remember, we tell you on this advanced

17:00

scouting Butler, don't go for the extra update

17:03

that he gives you that other players don't give

17:05

you. And that's just a huge part

17:07

of his game, but he just wasn't super engaged. I keep

17:09

kind of waiting to see him take over. Maybe we're all

17:11

going to have to wait for the play in playoff, whatever.

17:15

I do wonder if 76ers fans blogs

17:19

are jealous of the

17:24

irrational MVP, Luca push right

17:26

now where it's just

17:29

really shitty. Luca

17:34

look, he's been awesome.

17:36

A vote for Yokich is not a bad vote

17:38

Dallas fans. It's okay, but that's

17:41

not what they're going to do. That's not what we do around

17:43

here. And then Dallas with this,

17:45

with this run, I don't think anyone's going to

17:47

pick the Clippers if

17:49

that's your final matchup, which it likely is

17:51

going to be. Will anyone

17:53

pick the Clippers or, and I have this just thing

17:55

in my head where I'm like, will the Clippers just.

18:00

trick everybody. Like, okay, we know

18:02

what we can do, we're good. And it depends on health, because

18:05

we're already seeing whether it's the honest injury, and

18:07

I may do this next week, just going through

18:09

like the last 10 years, because it's basically like

18:11

two major injuries that

18:14

derail a couple

18:17

teams and sometimes derail what our

18:19

preconceived notions were about who was

18:21

gonna win either the East

18:23

or the West. And the honest part of it

18:25

is really scary for Milwaukee. And

18:27

the Clippers like, you never know. Like,

18:30

I hate game one. Oh yeah, two guys are actually out. Like,

18:33

wait, what? But I don't think it'll matter.

18:35

I think a fully healthy Clippers with how

18:38

great Dallas has looked and how they're gonna

18:40

close the season. I

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times and then it didn't but J.

21:31

Kyle man of the ringer joins us

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one of our favorite Basketball guys. So

21:35

Rudy really likes our guy here. So

21:37

we're making it after you I

21:39

love so yeah So that makes me happy anytime

21:42

it's Rudy just starts waving his hands and talking

21:44

about the Orlando magic I feel like he just

21:46

this geyser of pressure to talk about them builds

21:48

up and then he sees me We were in

21:51

freaking Sweden. So Rudy starts talking my

21:53

ear off about the magic I'm like look at

21:55

this beautiful terrain Steve, but he's passionate like him

21:57

back. Appreciate it This land's

22:00

reminds me of Jalen Sugg's shoulders.

22:02

You're a Kentucky guy. You're a

22:05

Kentucky guy and it's official now.

22:07

Cal goes to Arkansas. It's

22:10

funny because I saw Musk at the

22:12

Lakers Warriors game, the new SC guy.

22:15

So I was like, what's up? And

22:17

he said, hey, I did. I did

22:19

say hello. Because

22:21

at one point somebody from Arkansas invited me down to

22:24

San Diego to watch him play or something. And I

22:26

was like, yeah, that's not gonna happen. What

22:28

do you think about his intensity in LA? Do

22:30

you think it's gonna line up? Because that's kind

22:32

of his thing behind closed doors. People are like,

22:34

muses a lot. You know, like, how's that gonna

22:36

go? You think if Mick

22:39

Cronin can make it work for a

22:41

stretch? True. That's true. Then anything's possible

22:43

because I always think the,

22:46

the culture part of it is

22:48

like incredibly overrated when you hire

22:50

somebody. All right. And when

22:53

you think about Cronin, who I'll

22:55

still never forget, like a Jamie

22:58

Dixon Cronin matchup at the XL

23:01

center, I went to a game there and

23:04

Stanford Steve and I were sitting in like

23:06

the press row area and we

23:08

couldn't stop watching both coaches. Like,

23:11

oh my God, this

23:14

is out of control. Like it was one of the funniest things

23:16

I've ever seen in the game. It had nothing to do with

23:18

the game. I think I was there to watch Vander blue and

23:21

good use of your time.

23:23

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I lived in

23:25

the, my apartment at the time was connected

23:27

to the XL center. So

23:29

it was so weird that one time when I first moved

23:32

there, I went across the street and grabbed a pizza and

23:34

then I looked, it was like, oh, I think I'd get

23:36

into the building this way. And

23:38

I ended up like in the arena and it

23:40

was closed and I was trying to find a way

23:42

to get back to my actual elevator from my

23:44

apartment. But I ended up in like a freight elevator.

23:46

I know this is why everybody tuned in, but

23:48

yes. I always think like the culture

23:51

part of it is, is like

23:53

a cool thing at the luncheons and

23:55

the intros and maybe there's a longer

23:57

leash with the coach. If you're like,

24:00

He talks like us or he's one of us or

24:02

all that kind of stuff. So I'm not worried

24:04

about the most part about this. Let's just go

24:06

to Cal though. What went wrong? What

24:08

ultimately went wrong other than the wins

24:11

and losses, which is a really easy way

24:13

to probably answer this question. I

24:16

think it's a number of things. You

24:18

know, there's you could go with the stylistic. I

24:20

always tell people that I feel like 2015 was

24:23

sort of a pivot point for a lot of things

24:25

that kind of overlapped at once. Cal

24:27

was ahead of the game

24:29

with the dribble drive stuff. You know, Vance Wahlberg

24:31

comes in. He's who's coaching at Fresno State now

24:34

and you know, Cal is ahead of the game

24:36

and he overhauls the system and he puts the

24:38

situation, this system in that's like guys

24:40

attacking off the catch, fewer ball screens, beat

24:42

your man one-on-one, get to the rack, get

24:44

foul, throw it up on the glass, get

24:46

a dunk. Very fun when you have, you

24:49

know, and that style works to recruit the

24:51

best of the best when you have these

24:53

like incendiary downhill point guards. And he had

24:55

those guys for a while from that stretch

24:57

from like, you know, 2000, honestly,

24:59

the early 2000s all the way up through, you

25:01

know, that run and, you know, as basketball started

25:03

to change, this is just one of the reasons

25:06

I think he started to have an issue is

25:08

he liked to play that way. He also liked

25:10

to pound it inside, beat you in transition, be

25:13

more athletic than you. I

25:15

heard somebody say one time they were like,

25:17

if Cal could recruit the NFL combine, he

25:19

would, he prefers speed and size over everything.

25:21

And then I think as the game started

25:23

to kind of change, I think that 15

25:25

game that he lost against that like five

25:27

out Wisconsin team that, you know, could, you

25:29

could switch everything and it was fine. They

25:31

had a guy that could, you know,

25:33

at all five positions, they could shoot dribble pass.

25:36

He lost that game. I've heard people say

25:39

that like personally that took a big toll

25:41

on him, that that was, you know, the

25:43

epitome of his style link size athleticism

25:45

and they lose, you know, almost

25:47

seven undefeated season. And

25:50

you know, and then he does evolve slowly

25:52

over time. He finally led

25:54

to this past season where he started to just

25:56

kind of really embrace the five out stuff like

25:59

aggressively hunting. threes and things like that. But

26:03

when you start to look at the other part

26:05

of it, I think early on in his tenure,

26:07

he adopted the one and done thing first, he

26:09

acts like it was some big like idea that

26:11

he had that coach case stole from him. It's

26:14

not like it was some like crazy schematic innovation

26:16

that you know, only one person could think of

26:18

he was just like, Hey, let's get the let's

26:20

take the kids that are only

26:22

going to be here for a year and do

26:24

it was a different way to coach and he

26:26

got really good at it. But as I like

26:28

I think like Lance, the landscape of like agencies

26:30

and things like that shifted with the LeBron and

26:33

clutch stuff going away from the world why West

26:35

part of the world, I think that affected his

26:37

pipeline of talent. And then I think, you

26:39

know, he just sort of got into

26:41

this mode after 2015 from,

26:43

you know, in 2019, where

26:46

he was trying to recapture the glory kind of

26:48

thing. So you start to you know, you start

26:50

hiring old staff members and things like that. And

26:52

you think it's going to be the exact same

26:54

way it was. And it just wasn't. And I

26:56

think at the end of it, I think his

26:58

desperation kind of made teams tight.

27:01

You know, there are a lot of questions about

27:03

their preparation down the stretch, like staff members pulling

27:05

their weight, things like that. There's a lot of

27:08

that out there that you go find if you're

27:10

interested. But I think

27:12

that he just kind of stayed a

27:14

little too long. So you know, I think it worked out

27:16

the best way that it could because you

27:19

know, if they'd had to fire him, I think that

27:21

the stench would have been the sting would have been

27:23

a little harder to bear. But

27:25

since he went on his own, I think ultimately his

27:27

legacy will be okay. But it just he just stayed

27:30

a little too long, I think ultimately is what it

27:32

came down to. First three years

27:34

and we see this with a lot of guys when they

27:36

get the job, right? Like the destination

27:39

dream job first three years, a lead a

27:41

final four champs, the next 12 years, one

27:43

final four is last week 16 was six

27:45

years ago. I think the player development part

27:47

of it, he's, he's a little underrated towards

27:49

the end, like we know the headliner names,

27:51

whether it was maxi or quickly. And I

27:53

know you were locked into every one of

27:55

those. But I remember before the draft and

27:58

look based on where they got drafted. I

28:00

think there was like, okay, who, who are

28:02

these guys? Like what exactly are they? And I

28:04

think Casey Wallace, who obviously got drafted higher. So

28:06

Preston his track record, you're like, okay. So they

28:08

see something there. Like all of these

28:11

guys are really good. Like if Wallace is on a different

28:13

team, he'd be putting up like real numbers

28:15

right away. And so the

28:17

player development part, like I remember when Cal got

28:19

all that shit of like, Hey, I had five

28:21

first rounders and the lottery picks like that's better

28:23

than a national title. He came on with Van

28:25

Pelt and I very soon after and like was,

28:27

was kind of selling that. And I always liked

28:29

him. Like when we had him in studio, it's

28:32

hard not to really like him, but

28:34

what did Kentucky fans think of him getting

28:36

the Arkansas offer after Kentucky's debating whether or

28:39

not to even keep them around based on

28:41

the bio. And then asking

28:43

if Kentucky wants to counter it. Like,

28:46

is that just the way all

28:48

of them are wired, the way Cal's wired? Cause that'd

28:50

be like, even if I liked Cal, but I

28:52

was a Kentucky guy, I'd be like, Hey, fuck off. Yeah.

28:55

I think, I don't know if it was

28:57

quite that strong, but the administration maybe felt

28:59

that way. I think people just kind of

29:02

like had this feeling of

29:04

really, like really. And I think the

29:06

reason we felt that way is he

29:09

just had a, he got to the point

29:11

where, you know, I've always said this, that like

29:13

climbing Cal was like a whole different animal. I

29:15

always referenced this. There's this, you

29:17

can go back and watch this. There's this Martin

29:19

Luther King town hall meeting that Cal

29:22

was like the only white guy that was a

29:24

part of it. And he's, he's up there and

29:26

he's got his big watch on and his nice

29:28

glasses and he's slick and he's got a nice

29:31

suit on. And he's selling this dream of delivering

29:33

generational wealth and like just, you know,

29:35

working with families. And you can see his appeal

29:37

and things like that. You can see why he

29:41

was such a radical figure, like so appealing

29:43

as a recruiter and things like that. And

29:45

when he was climbing, his energy was he,

29:47

you know, he's willing to talk to anybody.

29:50

He he'll go out. He's available all the

29:52

time. You know, Cal at the top, once

29:54

he had stopped climbing, you talk about getting

29:56

the dream job, he gets to the top

29:58

of the mountain. I think he

30:01

kind of put up walls and almost became

30:03

like a militaristic dictator where he

30:07

was like, he became paranoid,

30:09

I think. He became really obsessed

30:11

with criticism. He became obsessed with

30:13

petty criticisms of him and stopped

30:15

talking to people. So I think

30:18

what happened was there was a

30:20

disconnect between him and the

30:22

temperature of the fan base. So

30:24

you're talking about him being surprised. Him even throwing

30:26

that counter offer, I thought was like tone deaf.

30:28

It was just like, no, man, we're waiting for

30:30

a reason for you to be out of here.

30:32

Like basically they came out and held hands on

30:35

TV, him and the AD because they had no

30:37

choice. There was a 30, there were $33 million

30:39

left on his deal. The school wasn't going to

30:41

pay that. They knew that he kind of wanted

30:43

to, you know, obviously he wanted to get that

30:45

money. Our guitar came in

30:47

and frankly saved the day for them. For them

30:50

offering him that job was a nice way out.

30:52

He violated his contract by not telling the AD

30:54

that he was talking to them. So that was

30:56

a nice like, you know, wipe the sweat. Wow.

30:59

We dodged a bullet there. Um, so for him to

31:01

come with a counter offer, which just like, it's like,

31:03

it was laughable. I laughed. I was just like, I

31:05

mean, it's weird that he's gone, but, uh, it

31:08

worked out the best way that it could. So

31:10

Izzo made some comments recently being like this

31:12

job, right? And I had left go on

31:15

Tuesday and he was talking about how like

31:17

Jay Wright had to have this out of

31:19

body experience to understand how miserable

31:22

he was, even though he was incredibly

31:24

successful. It's probably not the right word.

31:26

Like he emphasized how tired he was

31:28

and how when Jay stays and

31:30

talks to coaches when they were on the road

31:32

and Jay would just leave the

31:34

meeting and be like that coach is like losing it. And

31:37

you know, Saban speaking out about

31:40

where college athletics are headed. There's

31:42

no, especially I

31:44

it's, I would say in

31:46

the media and depending on your age, there's

31:49

like no one going, Hey, good

31:51

point. Guys are like, fuck you

31:53

guys. You've made millions and millions of dollars.

31:55

This entire system has been rigged and

31:57

finding the players are getting compensated even

31:59

though It's still limited in comparison to the

32:01

NCAA keeping all the money the transfer

32:03

portal part of it's opened up I

32:06

like to look at things a little differently and say hey if

32:09

you work in an industry 20 30 years

32:11

and all of a sudden It's completely different. You

32:13

wouldn't be thinking about the money you'd be making

32:15

you'd be thinking about like, okay What is my

32:17

job right now and the NIL stuff is probably

32:20

Comically overrated in comparison to like what's

32:22

really happening with some of it, but

32:24

at least it's happening So I'm I'm

32:26

in favor of it It

32:29

I don't feel like that's the Cal part

32:31

of it at all because he just took another

32:33

job and Arkansas is going to be full Of

32:35

all sorts of energy people that didn't want to

32:37

get involved financially before now gonna get involved. So

32:39

it's a complete win for Cal It's a win

32:41

for Arkansas. It's all those things. But like it's

32:44

a sport that you love and I

32:47

feel better about what's happening for

32:49

the players, but long term

32:51

I don't think these staples of the

32:54

industry are like Completely wrong about

32:56

their fear of the future. Yeah, I think

32:58

what we're gonna see is I think we're

33:00

just gonna it's it's sort of gonna Accelerate

33:03

it's sort of similar to what's what's happened

33:05

in the NBA with like the pace and

33:07

space thing if you watch the guys Who

33:09

are over 30 the numbers have really changed

33:11

a lot because the game changed so radically

33:13

I think what it's it's similar to what

33:15

we're we're gonna see a new era of

33:17

coach who's just more equipped and ready to

33:19

do This it's not gonna be as much

33:21

of a system shock for them to come

33:23

in And I think we're gonna continue to

33:25

see a lot of that change even more like,

33:27

you know I've talked about I thought if Kentucky

33:30

in particular was serious about evolving and changing they

33:32

should hire a GM I think that that pipeline

33:34

is gonna open up I think because I think

33:36

one of the things that coaches are complaining about

33:38

is that it's a lot for one person to

33:41

handle And I don't think that that's that's wrong

33:43

and not that they aren't handling a lot as

33:45

it is But you know year by year recruiting

33:47

your guys to stay figuring out ways to compensate

33:49

them that are like very, you know On

33:52

the ledger and above board and everything you got to make I

33:54

know that Kentucky in particular had a lot of problem

33:56

with that This year, I know you bring in somebody

33:58

that handles that that handles

34:00

identifying talent, that makes sure that their

34:03

deals are in place, so that they

34:05

work with the coach and then the

34:07

coach can coach. I don't think that

34:09

you can introduce significant compensation into the

34:11

equation without really radically changing the

34:14

way the org chart works for some of these.

34:16

But I think that we're going to see fewer

34:18

and fewer of the long time

34:20

established icons like Izzo and Cal. I just

34:22

don't think it's going to happen as much

34:25

because it's going to move quicker, in my

34:27

opinion. So, who does Kentucky

34:29

want? They

34:32

think they can get Dan Hurley. That's what

34:34

a lot of the Kentucky fans are saying, whether that's

34:36

realistic or not. I

34:39

would say they want Hurley. I

34:41

personally think they can get Hurley. The message boards

34:43

are one thing, but I think they're

34:45

going to do the comical thing of forcing them

34:48

to say no, which always go up to the

34:50

prettiest girl to dance and make her say no

34:52

and she'll just be like, no. That

34:55

language always makes me laugh. Have

34:57

the conversation. I mean, I think a lot of

34:59

people want Hurley and they see him as the

35:01

best in the sport. I

35:04

don't know. I'm a little dubious of that

35:06

too because Donovan was, before him

35:08

was the last guy to repeat and

35:10

you look at what happened after he repeated.

35:14

Sometimes I wonder sometimes about

35:16

over rating the moment in the staff

35:18

and the particular players that you have.

35:20

And it's like over rating how replicable

35:22

that is. It's like, because

35:25

Donovan was good a few more times at Florida, but

35:28

he never quite got to that level again. So that's

35:30

kind of one thing that I've kind of had conversations

35:32

with Kentucky fans about. I'm like, don't be certain that

35:35

he's just going to come in immediately when titles

35:37

back to back again. I

35:39

think Billy Donovan is another guy that's kind of on the radar.

35:41

I have some concerns about him

35:44

putting in the, you know, he's the guy who came from the other

35:46

world. Like I was just talking about how

35:48

quickly can he get into it? But past that, I mean,

35:51

you just start to enter a list of guys that

35:53

I think Kentucky fans have a lot more reservations

35:56

about and there's a little more desperation in the

35:58

air that makes me a little queasy. rather

36:00

than somebody coming in who's like attacking the job and ready

36:02

to do it. There are some guys who want to attack

36:05

the job, but I don't think like the Bruce Pearls,

36:07

the Rick Patino's, I just don't know that

36:09

that's a good idea right now. I

36:11

don't know why they wouldn't just hire

36:14

Pearl. He can recruit,

36:16

he can coach. He's not just the

36:18

recruiter who can't actually like, when

36:20

I watch his teams play, I'm like, man, and I know

36:23

they lost to Yale this year in the whole deal. Like

36:25

that's the thing too, is if he made it to a

36:27

C16, he's probably the Kentucky coach right

36:29

now. But- You think so? I don't know. The

36:32

show cause is a big deal, I think,

36:34

to the ADA UK, I'm pretty sure. You

36:37

know way more about it than I do. I

36:39

just feel like since you

36:41

already got the job after the

36:43

show cause, like doesn't it just

36:45

make it easier? It's

36:47

like the guy who gets in trouble and it's like

36:49

once a team signs them, then the next team's like,

36:51

well, somebody else already signed them before us, so it's

36:53

fine. Or like the SEC transfer

36:56

in college football, where it's like,

36:58

your guy's awful, he got kicked out of the school. He's

37:00

like, well, now he's on your campus. Like, hey, I think

37:02

we're going to win the division. Yeah,

37:04

again, you know it better than I do. I

37:06

just think that Pearl has the personality for the

37:08

entire thing. If you're telling me the AD has

37:10

an issue with his history. Okay,

37:13

I don't know. I think

37:15

he has the personality to do it. And

37:17

I was telling somebody this earlier today, and

37:19

if people don't know what's going on, I

37:21

mean, Scott Drew apparently, they tried to, as

37:24

I understand it, Scott Drew wanted

37:26

the job. Nate Oates wanted the job, by the way,

37:28

too. And that's a fact and just kind of walked

37:30

it back. And then, but Scott Drew's

37:32

family apparently just kind of had the

37:34

Baylor coach had reservations about

37:36

coming up. And I think Kentucky tried

37:38

to convince them that it was going

37:40

to be okay. And ultimately, they decided

37:42

not to do it. But

37:46

I think this is a job you have to attack. You

37:48

can't let it attack you. So I think

37:51

you have to have a certain level of person.

37:53

I don't know if you saw this, but Drew

37:55

tweeted a picture of himself at a Mexican restaurant,

37:57

just like eating chips with a booster. And

37:59

apparently, thousands of people called that restaurant

38:01

from Kentucky and like got on their yell page

38:03

and flooded it so and you know you

38:05

get the flight Tracker stuff. It's it's like

38:07

SEC football There's not

38:10

many basketball schools that I think behave the way Kentucky

38:12

does They're really the only ones

38:14

that do or football schools like the in the most

38:16

memory in the SEC She's have to

38:18

kind of be wired for that and ready for that and so

38:20

that's the kind of person that they're gonna have to look for

38:22

the problem is I Don't

38:24

know how many of those guys are out there mark Pope.

38:26

Maybe I don't know from BYU So

38:29

the search is about to get Interesting

38:32

I hope in a good way Yeah Now

38:34

when you're talking about Pearl you're are you're not talking about

38:36

craft in that one you're talking about the Chuck person part

38:38

of it for hesitation in

38:41

Kentucky His show cause

38:43

I'm pretty sure was for that. Yeah, they had

38:46

and then he got one for craft, too

38:48

Didn't he? Yeah, he got one with for

38:50

the Polaroid at at Tennessee So

38:53

there's that so he's kind of but also

38:55

I don't know it's it's what is cheating

38:57

anymore I don't even really even know I

38:59

mean like because they the more they investigated

39:01

the FBI thing the more it was just

39:03

like What's going on here? Was there like

39:05

a Syracuse grad involved in this investigation like?

39:08

It's all ridiculous. Like I I've said over and

39:10

over again Like I don't I

39:13

stop caring about cheating like with like

39:15

the eight and thing. It's like yeah this

39:17

workforce That's being like stepped on for decades

39:20

Wants to be compensated when they're clearly needed

39:22

and their value is what swings, you know

39:24

millions and millions of dollars changing hands Yes,

39:26

they need to be compensated. I honestly don't

39:28

even know what cheating is anymore Yeah,

39:31

if you think of like the Kelvin Sampson

39:33

stuff and then use

39:35

today's Like way of

39:37

like look it was illegal

39:39

to do what he did then Because

39:42

of text messages and now you're like

39:45

wait What and they're in craft

39:47

stuff with Pearl is a joke the person stuff

39:49

with Auburn's like just so weird but

39:52

like I've watched all these docs I still love

39:54

all this stuff and I Remember

39:56

when the Louisville thing was starting and

40:00

the way that was being teased. I remember one college

40:02

basketball writer essentially saying like, we may not see

40:04

a final four this year or something. And you

40:06

were like, yeah, it's probably not going to happen.

40:10

That's, it was like, Oh, it's the biggest coaches.

40:12

It's the biggest programs. It's the biggest things like,

40:14

all right, well, like, I dunno, the guys probably

40:16

going to just get a job in two years

40:18

somewhere else because, you know, and

40:21

that's exactly, I'm petino. It took a little bit longer to

40:23

come back to, uh, to the big East, but I

40:26

think the lesson in this is the lesson that I

40:28

always try to remind everybody. And it was when people

40:30

wanted to horrible out at Michigan. It's like, okay, fine.

40:32

Like make your argument, but then who are you getting?

40:34

And the same thing with the frustration of Ryan day

40:36

losing at Michigan three years in a row, it's like,

40:39

okay, he wins all the other games and granted Ohio

40:41

state had massive advantage talent wise throughout the big 10.

40:43

It's going to change now with expansion, all those things,

40:45

but it's not going to be really good. Um,

40:49

like the list of people that you think

40:51

will take your job tomorrow is

40:54

not as long. And it's not the names that

40:56

you think that it's going to be. And in

40:58

a vacuum, you're like, who wouldn't want the Kentucky

41:00

job? And now with all of the bullshit that

41:03

has nothing to even do with Kentucky, it has to do

41:05

with the landscape. The list is just

41:07

shorter. It's just shorter of people that are

41:09

like, I actually don't need to sign up

41:11

for that. Even though I think these guys

41:13

are so competitive growing up. I

41:15

used to always think that if you're competitive, you've

41:18

grown up in this competitive field, like that your

41:20

industry is competition, you'd want to see

41:22

how you would do at

41:24

the elite of the elite. And now you're

41:26

like, I dunno, like I'm making

41:28

a few million here and I don't need

41:30

to do that. And that's why I just

41:33

think it's a good reminder for some of these

41:35

blue blood programs and both fall or football and

41:38

college basketball, it'd be like, all right. Fine.

41:40

You want your guy out. Who do you

41:43

actually think you're getting? Because it always ends

41:45

up being like just a

41:47

less impressive list of potential

41:49

real candidates than I think the message boards

41:51

ever want to believe. Yeah. And then

41:53

you get the wave of the

41:55

fan, the power that the fans have today. I

41:57

mean, like I've joked that like. She,

42:00

she on owed has become a word

42:02

term these days. I mean, like a

42:04

Kentucky's football coach apparently was like lined

42:07

up to be the Texas A&M, you

42:09

know, the next choice for them. And

42:12

the fans just revolt revolted,

42:14

you know, so it's, it is, it's a

42:16

lot of pressure. It takes a certain type

42:19

of person. I think Kentucky's been really lucky

42:21

to have like double presidential term coaches more

42:23

than once who've won titles. And that's pretty

42:26

unusual. This next time might be a shorter

42:28

term. That's the thing about Danny

42:30

Hurley is if whoever convinces him or if someone

42:32

did convince him to, to take another job, I

42:34

don't, I don't even think that it would be

42:36

for a long term. I don't, I don't even

42:38

know if he's wants to be like the long

42:40

term, the Don at UConn, because he stated that

42:42

he wants to be the coach of the Knicks,

42:44

which I feel like is perfect.

42:48

Danny Hurley is the coach of the Knicks

42:50

just feels perfect to me. So yeah, it's,

42:52

it's more of a stress than

42:54

it's ever been. So maybe that's a Donovan, maybe at this

42:56

stage of his career, he wants to go back and do

42:58

that. But in order to do it, I think that he'd

43:00

have to really, really radically change

43:03

the way, you know, a

43:05

program has run specifically at Kentucky. Anyway, before

43:08

we let you go, I know you released a draft

43:11

show with KOC. Uh, I did

43:13

some thoughts on Edie and then Clingan cause I've

43:15

watched enough of them in the tournament. I have

43:17

not even touched on stuff, but if you watch

43:19

the first, the arguments for the

43:21

first potential picks, you're going to go like, what?

43:23

Like even with Clingan, I was talking to Sruity

43:26

about this earlier where I'm like,

43:28

okay, he was thought to like, at best be

43:30

like the 10th guy, kind of that 10 to

43:32

late lottery range. And now ESPN had him up

43:34

to three. And I was like, I like him,

43:36

but man, three. And then it's a

43:38

by-product of what the draft is. And where the other

43:41

side of it is like, I remember the Jonathan Isaac

43:43

class where I did all the work on those guys.

43:45

I'm like, Jonathan Isaac's going to go behind like four

43:47

people. Like this is nuts

43:49

because what he was as

43:51

a prospect with his ceiling before all the injuries

43:54

and then kind of being limited to

43:56

a more defined role with what Orlando has and its

43:58

roster. Now, like there was stuff Isaac was doing. doing

44:00

at Florida State, we're like, wait, in no

44:02

other world would this guy even last. So

44:04

a lot of it is based on the class. So I'd ask

44:06

you this, are you starting to

44:09

just the human nature part of it, spending

44:11

more time with these guys and knowing that

44:13

you watch college from wire to wire, are

44:15

you talking yourself into more of these guys

44:17

now just because of the familiarity? I'd

44:20

like to think it's not like a familiarity bias

44:22

when you were talking about, I

44:25

know you said you with the prep, there's a guy

44:27

Alexander Saar that I'd be interested to get your thoughts

44:29

on because he's kind of in that class of that

44:32

Jonathan Isaac, Jonathan Bender. I know you were, you had

44:34

to, Ryan, you seem like you were like probably a

44:36

big Jonathan Bender guy back in the day. Is that

44:38

true? Just get knew it, knew it. Bullseye. Are

44:41

you kidding? Now, granted, I

44:43

was loving him with the limitations that

44:45

we had back then. Like, it's just

44:47

so silly to me to feel

44:50

comfortable talking about Jonathan Bender while I

44:52

was a bartender, being like, that guy's

44:54

awesome. And then the truth is, how

44:57

much did you watch him? And

44:59

it's like, I only saw what

45:01

was available at that

45:03

time, which was almost nothing.

45:07

And yet I was totally confident just sitting there with anybody

45:09

else. And that's the draft thing that always kind of drives

45:12

me through, like, barely watch

45:14

the kid fell in love with him

45:16

and told people that he was

45:19

going to be good based on nothing, really.

45:21

He was going to be good though, to

45:23

be fair. Yeah, you're on there with the

45:25

embedded Windows Media Player clips. Kids

45:27

don't know what they have today. Like I'm watching

45:29

like, yeah. Just a. Because I

45:31

wasn't working then. Again, it was

45:33

years before I thought that I was even

45:35

going to do any of this stuff. And

45:38

I would just scramble and then I would

45:41

sit and watch. I

45:43

would sit and watch the draft and try to keep

45:45

track of what was going on. And then

45:47

you'd see those clips, you'd be like, no, this guy sucks. You

45:50

didn't watch him. You didn't do anything. You're

45:52

only watching the draft broadcast. I

45:54

just think it's kind of funny how

45:57

comfortable we all were with our opinions with

45:59

almost zero information. Oh,

46:01

I was way cockier. Like I was way here

46:03

before. I feel like the more I know the

46:05

more doubtful I get. I think that's pretty normal

46:07

or the more inform access to information. I think

46:10

I, you and I sometimes should talk about this,

46:12

like the impact of video. I loved your synergy

46:14

pod by the way. Uh, cause I'm, I'm on

46:16

there all the time too. But um, you asked

46:18

me about the familiarity and the players and things

46:21

like that. Um, kind of coming around

46:23

too. And I said a little bit of this on

46:25

the draft show, but I'll say it again that like

46:27

when you're coming into a draft, we have this idea

46:29

of like, okay, who's the number one pick? And

46:31

we have in our mind the idea of what that

46:33

is. We're like, okay, it's probably a greener to agree

46:35

with this. It's usually we're looking for

46:38

a hub. We're looking for a guy who's going

46:40

to be like an inefficient volume producer who can

46:42

like spread the love with the attention they get

46:44

and share the ball. That's usually what we want

46:47

from a number one pick. And if it's not

46:49

that, it's probably going to be a big time

46:52

defensive anchor or whatever it, I don't know what it

46:54

like, or a big who seems undeniable or a creator

46:56

guard, something like that. We don't have anything in this

46:58

class. That's like a surefire thing. We have some guys

47:00

that are like, uh, pretty, pretty

47:03

alluring like creators. Like if you watch Rob

47:05

Dillingham, like who played for Kentucky, he's like

47:07

one of the more talented on-ball guys we've

47:09

ever had here, but he's probably more of

47:12

like a second unit flamethrower type guy. Like

47:14

he's probably like a Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford

47:16

type unless something changes. Uh, and

47:18

then, but for me, you know, I'm looking

47:20

at this class and I'm like, one

47:23

of the guys that I've really come

47:25

around on is Clingan. That's the thing.

47:27

Um, I Clingan is defensively and my,

47:29

my, my rationale for that was, you

47:32

know, a couple of years ago we were, you know,

47:34

Walker Kessler came at, this is the one I've just

47:36

been saying, um, he was a guy who was like

47:39

in a redraft would have come up a lot higher

47:41

and just because he's like an impactful rim protector. Well,

47:43

I think Donovan Clingan is better than Walker Kessler. So

47:45

I was just like, okay, well, you know, if we,

47:47

if none of us are sure who,

47:50

who is like the sure fire number

47:52

one pig, no, no player in this

47:54

class fits what I was talking about

47:56

our typical expectation. Um, I'm going

47:58

to go with like a high floor. a certainty. You

48:00

know, I know people love Stefan Castle. I'm just

48:02

unsure he's ever a creator in

48:05

a real reliable way. But I know what Clingan is

48:07

and I do think that he's going to get better.

48:10

That's a high level of room protection that I think you're

48:12

going to get. Now, there's some people that believe in SAR.

48:15

There are some people who believe in a few different

48:17

guys in this class. But I think if you're going

48:19

to roll the dice, it'll

48:21

depend on me too. But I think that he's somebody, I mean,

48:24

are you in on him? Do you like him at all? What

48:26

Clingan? Yeah, I

48:29

do like him. And I

48:31

like the Kessler conversation you have about that. I

48:33

feel like Kessler was just because

48:36

of what Auburn was doing.

48:38

We didn't get to see enough of him too.

48:41

Like I've already covered all the Jabari Smith and

48:43

the Auburn guard trauma that

48:45

I had PTSD when I

48:47

was watching. He

48:50

should go nameless like Star Wolfen

48:52

as they're down to Yale late,

48:55

misses a free throw. I was like, this is

48:57

the epitome of what I've seen

48:59

from. I like

49:03

it, but it's

49:05

just like it's kind of the ED conversation all

49:07

over again. Because my whole point on Tuesday was

49:10

it's not even about his defense, which is all everybody's been

49:12

talking about for years. It's like, are you actually going to

49:15

run enough offense with him to take advantage of what

49:17

he has? That's not really what anybody does

49:20

anymore. So if you're

49:22

going to be drafted that high, to your point,

49:24

you have to provide some

49:26

kind of defensive anchor. Like if you're going to be

49:28

big and not an

49:30

offensive like top option, then that

49:33

means you have to rim run and you have

49:35

to protect and you have to be able to

49:37

come over and help and all those things. And

49:39

Clingan has obviously a far better chance of doing

49:41

those things than ED does. But

49:45

I think it's a byproduct of this draft and

49:47

the uncertainty of like the three or four

49:49

guys that are considered in the mix for the number one

49:51

pick where with Clingan,

49:54

you're like, what's the offensive ceiling though,

49:56

in comparison to the

49:58

other guys. And

50:01

even if you don't like the other two guys

50:03

the foreign guys, you know watching him and again, I

50:05

just haven't done enough I'm

50:07

like, I don't know what clinging is

50:10

gonna be offensively because right now like

50:12

what it what is it? I don't think

50:14

it's gonna be overly complicated. I think he's a

50:17

rim runner. He is a lob thread He catches

50:19

lobs pretty well now and when you compare them

50:21

offensively, you know, Edie's two years older than him

50:23

I don't have the exact age in front of

50:25

me. It looks Yeah, I

50:27

mean but in a couple years if he was

50:29

just I was joking about watching

50:31

them warm up if he shoots, you know Jump

50:34

hooks non-stop for the next

50:36

two years. I think he'll be

50:38

pretty solid in that area I mean, I don't know that

50:40

he necessarily needs to be complex because I think he's gonna

50:43

be fairly scheme versatile Like I think

50:45

he moves pretty well for his size. The

50:47

other thing is just health with him. Can

50:49

he stay healthy? Yeah, Clinton's gonna be he's

50:51

almost 21 now, but I don't know that's

50:53

one argument You know as you dig into

50:55

it, I we can we can pull it

50:57

apart more but I Like

51:00

him I've come away just you saw the

51:02

way he impacted. Did you watch the Illinois

51:04

game like just his presence Basically

51:07

shook them beyond belief in that in

51:09

that game. Yeah, I watched it. It

51:11

was horrifying if you're an Illinois fan

51:13

I mean, I even mentioned on a Tuesday to go

51:15

50 real minutes without a bucket But it seemed like

51:17

they were like, hey, we're gonna just keep attacking clinging

51:20

and we're gonna get him in a foul trouble And

51:22

that's gonna work. It's like for he's gonna block every

51:24

single shot When you go up there, so

51:26

I would look I like him I like him But

51:28

that's kind of the lesson of this draft is you're

51:30

gonna find a pretty significant flaw with a lot of

51:32

the top ten picks And that's the whole point so

51:34

we could talk about depth from 11 on down

51:37

or hey I kind of like this guy or this

51:39

guy or whatever but like the headliners for this one

51:42

like the the first

51:44

impression with some of the players

51:46

it's Like Raza. Shave

51:48

you're just like alright, you know, I haven't

51:51

done again I don't want to start sitting here telling you

51:53

have definitive opinions on these guys like it's Jonathan Bender all

51:56

over again So and speaking

51:58

of Vander blue Marquette wasn't

52:00

in the game that I was talking about, but I did go to

52:02

the XL center to watch Andrew blue because he was,

52:04

uh, he was a big name at

52:07

the time. So I needed to correct that. Uh,

52:10

I didn't even get some mistake. If you one

52:12

guy that I want to Kevin

52:14

McCuller is my other guy that I like, that I

52:16

think is just, is just hiding in plain sight. And

52:18

if you, I'll, we'll have to circle back if you

52:20

haven't gotten to see him, but he's one of my

52:23

favorite players. I feel like he's going to pop in

52:25

like a similar way to that. Like Jaime, hot kids

52:27

did this year. He knows how to play. He's going

52:29

to be ready to go. So I just wanted to

52:31

toss that in there, but, uh, all right. Early

52:34

territory on, uh, on that position.

52:37

Uh, thanks man. Appreciate it. Always good to be here.

52:44

This is kind of cool. I don't know what's going to

52:46

be cool for him. Michael came with a PGA tour joins

52:48

us now getting ready for the masters. Uh,

52:51

so we're going to do a little golf here. I imagine doing

52:54

a Thursday pod with me is not as

52:56

great as teeing off at Augustus. So I

52:58

don't know if this is kind of a

53:01

bummer for you. So thanks. I don't know.

53:05

It's not as good as

53:07

a, uh, not as good as

53:09

playing in the actual masters, but this is a,

53:11

this is a close second for, uh, for

53:13

a guy that's, uh, the listeners to your pod all

53:16

the time. Right. And you would send in

53:18

a life advice. Was it during homas life advice

53:20

or was that just its own? And that was

53:22

during the visit with home. All right. That was,

53:24

uh, my visit, uh, those, the visit with Homa.

53:27

Um, he's a, obviously a good friend of mine.

53:29

We played in college together. So that'd

53:31

be, be fun to kind of put in my,

53:33

uh, life advice in there. It

53:35

worked. It was good. All right. So let's get to, we'll

53:38

do some master stuff here delayed this morning.

53:41

Um, you played in five events

53:43

this year. So how does it work? Like, I

53:45

want to ask some dumb questions here. I went

53:48

through the 19 ways you can

53:50

qualify for the masters and looking at it this

53:52

morning. I had an idea on some of it,

53:54

not, but like, where is it for

53:56

you right now? Like, how does it work for you

53:58

when you realize, okay, like I

54:00

didn't qualify because of this. You

54:03

know, for me as a PGA Tour Pro,

54:05

really the easiest way is to win a

54:07

PGA Tour event. That

54:09

is, other than kind of

54:11

like getting really into details,

54:14

that's probably the best way to get

54:16

it in. Otherwise,

54:18

it's top 50 world

54:21

rankings. For me,

54:23

those two are probably the best ways

54:25

to get in, which I unfortunately wasn't able

54:27

to do. But, you know, always next year.

54:30

So you played in 2019. Tell

54:35

us the stuff you were thinking about that you didn't

54:37

want anyone to know, when you're actually like, I'm doing

54:39

this and it's real. I was

54:42

for sure just freaking out on the inside. Yeah,

54:45

I get there Sunday. You

54:48

just don't want to over prepare, but

54:50

the practice facilities and you feel like

54:53

you have to do so much homework.

54:57

I played with Zach Johnson, who had won there before.

55:00

So you're just writing down note

55:02

after note, just trying to

55:04

get comfortable, trying to get a feel for that place. But,

55:07

you know, at that time, my game

55:09

was in a really bad spot. And

55:12

so I'm trying to get my game ready. I'm trying

55:14

to do all this homework. And,

55:17

you know, to be completely honest, I probably

55:19

knew I wasn't going

55:21

to play well that week. So

55:24

you've got all these emotions going,

55:26

like, you know, maybe I might

55:28

play well. I

55:30

hope I can make the cut. It's

55:33

kind of the thought process that was going through my mind at

55:35

that time. God, that must have been awful.

55:40

I imagine if you're like a basketball player,

55:42

it's like you're playing the NBA

55:44

Finals. You know you're going to be in the rotation,

55:46

but you know you're not going to make anything

55:48

once you get in there. I

55:51

tried to enjoy it as much as

55:53

I can, but, you know, from like a professional

55:56

game aspect from my game, I was in a

55:58

really bad spot. Did you? friends know,

56:00

did people close to you know that you were like,

56:02

it's probably gonna be great. I

56:04

mean, I'm, I wasn't playing

56:06

very well up to that point. So I

56:08

felt like my my agents and my my

56:11

coaches, you know, the real inner circle guys

56:13

that kind of knew what was up, probably

56:15

knew probably I wasn't at

56:17

that time, wasn't exactly like

56:19

open with how bad my game was

56:22

at that point. So the

56:24

close, the really close guys, you know, so

56:27

is Zach. Because

56:29

it's your first time. And you

56:31

know, you have a really nice

56:34

resume, you know, coming out of the amateur ranks and

56:36

winning player of the year at Cal. I,

56:38

but golf

56:41

is weird in that way. Like I just got back

56:43

into it this year. I'm not very good. And one

56:45

of the things I always think is kind of silly

56:47

about it is you have to compliment the other guy,

56:49

even if he sucks. And

56:52

it's a way to kind of break the tension. But

56:54

there's no tension. It's like, we're not playing in anything

56:56

that actually matters. But if you get paired up somebody,

56:58

you don't know. And you

57:00

screw up, and then your approach doesn't hit the green. And he'd

57:02

be like, Oh, well, you know, with that lie, you got it

57:04

out pretty well. I'm like, dude, you just like, I

57:07

suck. Like that wasn't none of that happened.

57:09

Does that happen? I imagine it's who

57:11

you're paired up with. But does Zach like realize what

57:13

you're going through? But at the same time, like he's

57:15

gonna worry about his game that day. Yeah,

57:18

you know, at that time, golf is so weird

57:20

in that like, you can have a really good

57:22

practice session on the range. But as soon as

57:24

you get onto the golf course, it's like, completely

57:27

different. And, you know, in

57:29

the practice rounds, I was able to hide it pretty

57:31

well. And then tournament

57:33

starts and you know, it

57:37

wasn't it wasn't the best. I

57:39

remember I played with Ernie Els

57:41

at a tournament a

57:43

few weeks prior, and I

57:45

was just hitting it all over the lot. And,

57:49

and he's like, he's like, So

57:51

what have you done in your career so far? Kind of

57:54

just, you know, making small talk and I was like, Oh,

57:56

I actually want to won the

57:58

John Deere classic, you know, last year

58:00

and whatnot. And, you know, I'm sure it's

58:02

probably hard to believe right now. And

58:05

Ernie kind of gave me the Hey, man,

58:07

I've seen it all. I've been through it

58:09

all. I know exactly what you're going through.

58:11

It's it's it happens to all of us,

58:13

even even even a guy like me. So

58:16

that was pretty cool to hear.

58:18

It's your golf is such a

58:21

crazy mental game as much as it is that a

58:23

fit it is a physical game. So

58:26

I've been there and I always

58:28

say like as a non hardcore

58:30

golf guy, it's it's it's a

58:33

place that I've been lucky enough to go to with

58:35

all the places I've gone to through my career that

58:37

it exceeded expectations and the expectations probably have never been

58:39

higher for something that I was going to and you

58:42

know, I didn't even really want to leave I'd given

58:44

my tickets to my college roommate for the last day

58:47

and I was like, I gotta get back home anyway,

58:49

you know, NBA, right. And then

58:51

when I was leaving, I was like, I kind of wish I hadn't

58:54

done that because it was that amazing.

58:56

So explain to us, I

58:58

don't know, this is probably maybe it's boring. I don't know.

59:00

But I'm over everybody

59:02

being like, Oh, you're a scratch golfer at

59:04

your club. Well, you'd shoot 100 here. Okay,

59:07

we got it. We fucking got it. It's hard.

59:10

What is it though, about it

59:12

that maybe separates it. And

59:14

I know conditions can play into some of

59:17

the rotation of the US Open stuff and

59:19

the scoring there has sometimes been comically high

59:21

in comparison to what other majors would be

59:23

at. But what is it about this layout

59:26

in this course that just the guy who's

59:28

like, really good at his club

59:30

doesn't understand? I think it's just

59:33

all the crazy amount of slopes. Everyone

59:35

talks about it. It's

59:37

way Hillier than than it looks on

59:39

TV. And I feel like in recent

59:42

years, TV has done a better job

59:44

of how how to explain it. But

59:47

you know, just like the

59:49

shots of the lie itself

59:51

doesn't match the shot you want to hit. So

59:53

for example, like 13, the

59:56

balls above your feet. And when

59:58

when the balls above your feet the

1:00:00

ball wants to draw more, but the way the

1:00:03

green is shaped kind of left to right, you

1:00:05

actually want to hit a fade. So

1:00:07

there's all these like weird little mismatches

1:00:10

that makes you want to hit a

1:00:12

certain shot, but it doesn't agree with

1:00:14

what the golf course requires in a

1:00:16

sense. And so

1:00:19

it's kind of like that for 16 out of 18 holes

1:00:21

or 15 out of 18 holes where the par three

1:00:26

is you have a flat line and it's fine, but the

1:00:29

course just gives you so many weird interesting

1:00:33

lies that you have to

1:00:35

hit shots that the

1:00:37

lie doesn't want you to hit, if that makes sense.

1:00:40

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You

1:00:43

talked about pairings and as soon

1:00:45

as the pairings came out for the first round,

1:00:49

you saw that Brooks Kepka,

1:00:52

who's plus 1800, if you're

1:00:54

looking at that part of this, he's a

1:00:57

Brian Harmon who's slow. So is it plus

1:00:59

500 that Brooks will punch him? I

1:01:06

don't know exactly, but I don't know if

1:01:08

they have like, they've played on the Ryder

1:01:10

Cup side together last year.

1:01:12

I'm sure they're fine. I'm

1:01:15

sure Brooks understands.

1:01:18

And if you're a

1:01:20

fast golfer on the, he's

1:01:23

on lift, but if you're a fast golfer

1:01:25

playing professional golf, you understand that you're probably

1:01:27

paired up with a slow

1:01:29

or a one and you kind of know what

1:01:32

to do if you're just waiting around all day.

1:01:35

So the pace of play

1:01:37

part of it though, like can

1:01:39

you, because I've

1:01:41

been to a few events where

1:01:44

I'll watch kind of how the

1:01:46

guys interact and there's very little

1:01:48

interaction until you're

1:01:50

either teaming off, you know, most people are not taking

1:01:53

the same path to the green,

1:01:55

but are

1:01:57

there times where you get paired with somebody where you're like.

1:02:00

Awesome or like this sucks.

1:02:04

Oh, yeah, there's a I mean, there's

1:02:06

200 odd members on the PGA tour

1:02:08

there's gonna be guys that you like and there's

1:02:10

gonna be guys you don't like and

1:02:14

You get the pairing on Tuesday usually

1:02:17

around noon and you're either

1:02:19

like, oh great I'm let's say I'm playing with

1:02:21

max max. Homa. It was a good friend. That's

1:02:23

great Or you get pair with another

1:02:25

guy and he's like, oh man He's slow

1:02:27

and he complains a lot after every golf

1:02:29

show. That's gonna be that's gonna

1:02:31

be a little tough to play with for the first two

1:02:33

days and You

1:02:36

know, I this is like my tenth year

1:02:38

as a pro So so

1:02:40

there's definitely certain guys that I enjoy

1:02:42

and certain guys that that that you

1:02:45

know You don't necessarily want to be paired

1:02:47

up with all the time Okay,

1:02:49

Homa Did you

1:02:52

like being paired up with him? Oh,

1:02:54

yeah. Yeah Like

1:02:56

I said, you know Max and I we played

1:02:58

together in college so and he's not slow or

1:03:00

anything like that and Yeah,

1:03:04

I've played countless arounds with them so

1:03:06

super comfortable playing with max not

1:03:08

too chatty No Actually

1:03:13

Actually like during term it itself. He's

1:03:15

not like the most he's not chatty

1:03:17

by any means like he's kind of

1:03:20

In doing his business. I Probably

1:03:23

came up to him and talked to him more

1:03:25

than more than he comes up to me So

1:03:28

were you better than him at Cal? Freshman

1:03:33

year he's a couple years

1:03:35

older. So freshman year he's a junior. He

1:03:37

probably he was better sophomore

1:03:40

year I Did win player

1:03:42

of the year? So I guess

1:03:44

I was a little a little bit better than him Yeah,

1:03:47

but he won he won NC a's he won Pac-12

1:03:50

I think he was like second or third in the

1:03:52

voting anyway, so it was it was close for sure

1:03:54

I always wonder like human nature and I

1:03:56

was gonna sound like I'm trying to get something out of you

1:03:59

And this won't be the breakout video. This

1:04:01

is actually a terrible question. I shouldn't even ask it because

1:04:04

I just think of like some of my friends and I

1:04:06

know that if I had the

1:04:09

background that you and Homer had like some of

1:04:11

my friends would be so happy for me if

1:04:14

I were Homer and then I

1:04:16

know that there'd be other friends that if I

1:04:18

had played with them professionally they'd be like, fuck

1:04:21

him. I

1:04:23

don't expect you to sit here and say like,

1:04:25

yeah, I'm actually kind of annoyed that that Homer's

1:04:28

you know done this well recently and you know I'm on a podcast

1:04:30

with you right now. Actually this is terrible. This is one of the

1:04:32

worst questions I've ever asked but I think I have to leave it

1:04:34

in as punishment. No, no, I think

1:04:37

it's you know

1:04:40

Max is really like a real good

1:04:42

friend of mine so I'm

1:04:45

really happy to see how well he's done

1:04:48

and you know Max has had his fair share of

1:04:50

struggles and I

1:04:53

think he came on the pot to talk about it

1:04:55

a few years back. So you know

1:04:57

when you've seen a guy that has

1:05:00

been down but really

1:05:02

worked his butt off to get back

1:05:04

to an even better than where he

1:05:06

was before it's super

1:05:09

admirable and I'm absolutely

1:05:11

totally happy to see him have

1:05:13

all the success that he's had. Yeah,

1:05:16

I almost feel like I need to explain it to the

1:05:18

audience because we can see each other right now but I

1:05:20

knew there wasn't going to be an answer where you were

1:05:22

going to be going like, oh hey, but I think about

1:05:24

the competitive part of it but Max is just so likable

1:05:26

like I do love the guy. We're

1:05:28

all rooting for him. I went to go see him

1:05:30

at one of the programs at RIV and he let

1:05:32

me and my buddy just follow him for the entire

1:05:34

time. He's like, hey come up to RIV. He's like,

1:05:37

come on Wednesday. He's like bring a friend and

1:05:39

then we'll just hang out and I was like,

1:05:41

are you sure? He's like, yeah dude, it's Wednesday.

1:05:43

It'll be fine. Nobody's gonna care and you could

1:05:45

just walk the course

1:05:47

with me the whole time and I think that there

1:05:49

is a parallel there for you and why I hope

1:05:51

so many listeners are going to start rooting for you

1:05:54

after being on the pod is that you

1:05:58

had to go through it. You know, you lost a lot of time. the

1:06:00

card, you get it back, you're trying to find

1:06:02

your game again here. And I

1:06:04

imagine that's probably one of the coolest parts of the

1:06:06

Homa relationship is that you guys can understand, like I

1:06:08

love talking to other people that are on the air,

1:06:10

because there's only a handful of people that can, I

1:06:12

can really talk to you about the stuff that I

1:06:15

go through. And I imagine that's probably

1:06:17

the coolest part of your background. I know in this guy

1:06:19

for a decade. Yeah. Um,

1:06:21

it's weird, like he and

1:06:23

I have had like

1:06:25

similar trajectories where we both weren't like

1:06:28

the most highly recruited guys out of

1:06:30

high school. We go to

1:06:32

Cal together. Um, you know,

1:06:34

we both do really well and

1:06:37

we get our PGA tour cards relatively

1:06:39

quickly in a couple of years. And

1:06:41

then, you know, we both go through

1:06:44

some deep, deep struggles and, you know,

1:06:46

he's basically come gone all the

1:06:48

way back and, and far up and, you know,

1:06:50

I've. I feel like I'm on

1:06:52

my way back up. Um, and

1:06:55

so it's, it's been weird to, to see

1:06:58

how our careers have kind of followed

1:07:01

each other's, um, but you

1:07:03

know, at the same time, like he and I have

1:07:05

never really like super talked about like

1:07:07

the ups and downs on a deeper level for

1:07:10

some reason, and it's like, it's

1:07:12

almost like I can talk to you about,

1:07:14

about these certain struggles, but because he's such

1:07:17

a close friend, I almost struggle a little

1:07:19

bit more talking to him at times, even

1:07:21

though he, he knows exactly

1:07:23

way more than way, you know,

1:07:25

what, what we've gone through and, you

1:07:27

know, kind of the thoughts and, and all that. Cause

1:07:31

it's such an individual sport. I imagine a lot

1:07:33

of golfers like, Hey, I'm, I'm your buddy and

1:07:35

I talk about it, but like, I don't want

1:07:37

to get my own head while I'm sitting here

1:07:39

in therapy sessions with you, uh, I

1:07:42

always felt like, and I don't know if there's anything in

1:07:44

golf that's close to this or sports, cause it's just cooler

1:07:46

and more important. But when people ask you about on air

1:07:48

stuff, I was like, I don't think you ever become a

1:07:50

great into, you're just like, Hey, I'm good at this. And

1:07:53

now I'm going to stop thinking about every

1:07:56

single little thing. So I'm not

1:07:58

saying I'm not comparing. the two,

1:08:00

but I wonder with you

1:08:02

getting the card back and feeling like

1:08:04

you're coming back, the

1:08:07

skill is all there, right? The skill is inside

1:08:09

of you. You know you have the skill. What

1:08:12

is that process like to

1:08:15

get to taking it

1:08:17

easy on yourself and then probably playing your

1:08:19

best golf again? It's weird. Do

1:08:21

you think like, I thought like

1:08:23

when I won my first PGA Tour event,

1:08:26

like, you know, from that point on, it's

1:08:28

like, I don't have anything to lose. It's

1:08:30

kind of rainbows and everything

1:08:32

from that point on, but it's

1:08:34

weird how golf, you still

1:08:37

feel like every shot, it's like you're

1:08:39

living and dying with every par-pah, with

1:08:41

every, you know, key shot you hit.

1:08:45

And you know, now that I've had

1:08:47

my downs and now I'm back up,

1:08:50

you think that like, you know, I've, you

1:08:52

know, I'm way more humbled. I have

1:08:55

way more gratitude in playing on the

1:08:57

PGA Tour, but at the same time,

1:08:59

like that urge of like, you

1:09:02

know, caring so much about every little shot

1:09:05

never really goes away. And it's,

1:09:09

you know, I hired a mental coach last

1:09:11

year and, you know, talk a lot about

1:09:14

kind of acceptance of like, you know,

1:09:16

the shot may not

1:09:18

go the way you want, but you know, at the end

1:09:20

of the day, like, that's a possibility. And you kind of

1:09:22

have to accept, accept all

1:09:24

the, all the good and

1:09:27

bad results. And it's just

1:09:29

hard to do, you know, practice. I've

1:09:32

played golf for 24 years, I've been a

1:09:34

pro for 10. And it's

1:09:36

just hard to kind of, they

1:09:38

say kind of get out of your own way.

1:09:40

And it's a part of that. But

1:09:43

it's, it's like, I feel like

1:09:45

I'm going against every cell

1:09:48

in my body, just going against human nature almost

1:09:51

by let by trying to let go. Scotty

1:09:54

Shephler's plus 400. I mean, that's a

1:09:56

pretty significant gap between him and Rory when I was

1:09:58

looking at Fandall this morning on it. where Rory's

1:10:00

plus 1000. I know Shepler won

1:10:02

it two years ago, but what is it about his

1:10:04

game right now that he'd be considered such an overwhelming

1:10:07

favorite? He's just the ball

1:10:09

striking machine. Um, he had to super

1:10:11

long and straight. His iron

1:10:13

game is, is incredible. Um,

1:10:16

and really his only weakness right now has

1:10:18

been his putting, but it

1:10:20

seems like the last couple of years or last couple of

1:10:22

weeks he changed to a different

1:10:25

pattern and that's helped him

1:10:27

out a ton. And, you

1:10:29

know, he's, he's basically

1:10:32

either one or been second in his last few

1:10:34

events and, and,

1:10:36

um, I think, you know, what

1:10:39

he did on the final round of the players

1:10:41

shooting, like, I don't exactly know what number, but

1:10:43

maybe seven or eight under to come, to come

1:10:45

back and win the putts he's

1:10:47

made. Um, I mean, he's just firing in all

1:10:49

cylinders right now. Who else do you like

1:10:51

this weekend? Um, I really liked

1:10:53

Xander. Um, I know he gets a

1:10:55

lot of crap for not being able to finish, finish

1:10:58

out tournaments and win more often,

1:11:00

but he's playing such good golf.

1:11:02

Um, he's had good success at

1:11:04

that tournament. Um, I

1:11:06

think he finished second in 2019 to

1:11:09

tie your, um, or

1:11:11

something around that. And, you know, he's

1:11:13

been playing awesome. Um, and

1:11:16

I know he's definitely one of the favorites there too. So

1:11:19

if you had, you mentioned

1:11:22

Shepler just as ball striking, like, I think the

1:11:24

answer is always, Hey, if you could be a

1:11:26

lead at any part of the game,

1:11:28

everybody's going to pick putting, uh,

1:11:31

unless, unless I'm wrong on that one, I'm, you

1:11:33

can correct me. Uh,

1:11:35

that is the, you know,

1:11:37

the old, old saying is the driver

1:11:39

show putt for dough. Um, stats

1:11:42

will actually tell you it's actually the quite

1:11:44

the opposite. Okay. Now I'm

1:11:46

interested. Tell me. Um,

1:11:49

if you look at, you know, there's this

1:11:51

thing called strokes gained metric. It's, it's

1:11:53

much better stats than it's like advanced

1:11:55

metrics in the NBA. It actually shows

1:11:57

you instead of just kind of your

1:11:59

standard. field goal percentage and whatnot.

1:12:03

And if you look at the

1:12:05

most important metric is actually your

1:12:07

iron game. That is the most

1:12:09

important for success in

1:12:12

golf. And then right after

1:12:14

that is driving. Then after

1:12:16

that, it's around the green, pretty similar to

1:12:19

driving. And then putting is actually kind of

1:12:21

last. But to win

1:12:23

a tournament, you do need to

1:12:25

make a lot of putts. So it's a weird,

1:12:28

it's kind of weird, but for

1:12:31

overall consistency and to be

1:12:33

like top of the top

1:12:36

of the leaderboard week in and week out, your

1:12:39

iron game approach to the green is the most important.

1:12:42

I didn't realize this until it just happened, but

1:12:44

a homeless pair of a tiger later today. Have

1:12:48

you played with Tiger? I have not.

1:12:50

I have not. I've had lunch with them a

1:12:53

couple of times just because he was sitting next

1:12:55

to another buddy of mine and I kind of

1:12:57

just joined him as an

1:12:59

excuse. But I unfortunately have never been

1:13:01

paired with Tiger. I think

1:13:03

as a professional golfer, you have a bit of a, you know,

1:13:07

you're on train and that conversation is a little

1:13:09

bit easier than the rest of us. So I'm

1:13:12

sure that was fine. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I'm

1:13:14

excited now to make sure I dial that in a

1:13:16

little bit later today. So if

1:13:19

you look at, because I saw an interview where you

1:13:21

were talking about like your interest in coming over from

1:13:23

Seoul and coming to the States and being in San

1:13:25

Diego and it's like right around 2000 tiger blowing up

1:13:27

your dad gets you to golf the whole deal. And

1:13:29

then it's like, okay, you know, you took it really

1:13:31

seriously to get the point of Cal and beyond everything

1:13:33

we're talking about here. But like

1:13:36

tiger obviously introduced a new version of golfer

1:13:38

where you're like, Hey, you might be even

1:13:40

better at this sport if you actually work

1:13:42

out and shocking,

1:13:44

you're stronger, it's better. Flexibility,

1:13:48

strength, big carrier body. These things all apply

1:13:50

to this sport too. So we've

1:13:53

had a long run now of

1:13:56

golfers all taking this really seriously. And

1:13:58

you know, the equipment. Advances are just always

1:14:00

going to happen because that's what happens you get idiots

1:14:03

like me to be like, yeah I'll try those irons

1:14:05

out. So What

1:14:07

I'd ask is like in basketball because I know

1:14:09

you're a big basketball guy You

1:14:12

wonder if the game has been solved

1:14:16

but also broken with What

1:14:19

we prioritize, you know, then

1:14:21

you can either the aesthetics of it, you know baseball certainly

1:14:23

struggling with this stuff, too But

1:14:26

I don't know what the next step is and

1:14:28

there will be some other advancement But I'm watching

1:14:30

basketball now in the NBA. I'm like, I don't

1:14:33

Go all of a sudden we have something where it's like

1:14:35

hey actually this whole three-point thing didn't make any sense I

1:14:37

don't think that that's going to happen. It's just gonna be

1:14:40

maybe a more pronounced version Maybe even more seen now.

1:14:43

I remember when Daryl Morey there he was theorizing like

1:14:45

with his G league team He was like I want

1:14:47

to just see maybe like they're only allowed to shoot

1:14:50

threes and then see what happens and everybody thought he

1:14:52

Was not you know, like actually there was

1:14:54

probably making like a pretty astute point Just like

1:14:56

let's get in the test lab here with it.

1:14:58

Just go ahead shoot 83 is a game Has

1:15:03

golf kind of maximized like

1:15:06

this generation of golfers like is

1:15:10

this kind of What

1:15:12

it is like I can't it can't

1:15:14

be beyond physically what? Your

1:15:17

generation is doing now, right? Like I don't imagine

1:15:19

we're ever gonna see this kind of jump from

1:15:21

what we had in the 90s to what we've

1:15:23

seen in the last 20 years It's

1:15:26

definitely similar Like whether you

1:15:28

want to talk NBA NFL or even

1:15:30

baseball where like the numbers have dictated

1:15:32

how we play the game You know

1:15:34

with with threes in the NBA or

1:15:37

throwing more NFL or you know, kind

1:15:39

of going for home runs and now in baseball

1:15:41

It's you know for

1:15:43

golf it has meant You know, we

1:15:45

hit a way more drivers than than

1:15:47

we used to even

1:15:50

on on holes where like,

1:15:52

you know you just hit like a foreign and

1:15:54

like on a shorter hole you just hit lay

1:15:56

up with a foreign and to your hit it

1:15:58

to your number and try to make greens

1:16:01

or make birdies that way. Now

1:16:03

it's what a lot of

1:16:05

these guys call bomb and gout. We just hit driver

1:16:07

as far as we can and

1:16:09

kind of go from there because the

1:16:12

number shows statistically like that's the

1:16:14

better way to play because that

1:16:17

forearm that you're trying to hit in

1:16:19

the fairway doesn't go in the

1:16:21

fairway 100%. Now you're really behind the

1:16:24

eight ball. And

1:16:26

so there was this distance

1:16:29

boom along with the

1:16:31

technology that lets us hit driver a lot straighter

1:16:33

than we used to before. And

1:16:36

I'm sure, well, they

1:16:38

are talking a lot about rolling the ball

1:16:40

back, making the ball go shorter, maybe making

1:16:43

the driver be less

1:16:45

easy to hit. And

1:16:48

so the rules might kind of come back

1:16:50

on that. But I do feel like we

1:16:52

are trying to play the game as

1:16:58

efficiently as possible. And I don't know

1:17:00

if there's another massive step that we

1:17:02

can take. Yeah, that was an awesome

1:17:04

answer. So far, what's the best

1:17:06

point of your career professionally? Probably

1:17:10

the two week stretch of me winning

1:17:12

the John Deere Classic. And then that

1:17:14

automatically got me into the British Open.

1:17:16

And so you take a plane from

1:17:19

the John Deere straight to where

1:17:21

it was Carnoustie, played

1:17:23

well at Carnoustie. Just

1:17:26

that two week stretch was definitely like,

1:17:28

golf was actually easier for

1:17:30

just about two weeks at that point.

1:17:32

That was definitely the best. Well,

1:17:35

we're rooting for you, man. And I appreciate your support

1:17:38

on the pod over the years. And Max

1:17:40

had told me, he's like, oh yeah, you gotta have them on.

1:17:42

And it was just random. I hit you up, I was like,

1:17:44

yeah, you gotta come on at some point. I know it wasn't

1:17:47

the next day, but this was good timing.

1:17:49

And hopefully we'll see you in the field next year. So

1:17:51

thanks so much, dude. So appreciate it.

1:17:53

I'm a big fan of you guys. Thanks. details?

1:18:00

Bye. I drive a

1:18:02

Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's

1:18:05

up? I

1:18:07

have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.

1:18:09

I have every toy you can possibly imagine.

1:18:11

And best of all kids, I am

1:18:13

liquid. So now

1:18:15

you know what's possible. Let me tell

1:18:18

you what's required. The email

1:18:20

addresses is lifeadvicerr@gmail.com. What is

1:18:22

up to Ceruti and welcome

1:18:24

back Kyle in a non-video

1:18:27

friendly shirt pattern. Wow.

1:18:29

We're off to the races. It's really great to be back.

1:18:32

Is this not good for video? Stripes.

1:18:34

Yeah, it's tough. No stripes

1:18:36

on matter. Wow. Sorry. So

1:18:39

we'll write that one down. No stripes on video. At least

1:18:41

not for these guys. Alright. It's

1:18:44

not really a rule. It's just an option. Kind of like

1:18:46

is drug rug an offensive term because that's kind of the

1:18:48

material it's made out of. I don't know what it's actually

1:18:50

called. I'm not a fan. I don't know. We're about to

1:18:52

find out. Get

1:18:55

IT on that. Yeah. How long were

1:18:58

you guys gone? How like how long were

1:19:01

you in Phoenix? I felt like too long.

1:19:03

It felt like too long. I

1:19:06

think it was four days. We

1:19:09

went Airbnb route, saved the company some money. Had

1:19:12

a putting green, which I mean, I spent like

1:19:14

that though. Love that. Yeah. You and yeah, I

1:19:16

was gonna say that's probably awesome. Love

1:19:19

that. Dudes came over. Harry came over. You know,

1:19:22

as you guys know, Harry

1:19:24

the Harry. Like Harry. What's

1:19:26

his last name, Harry? Against the law, Terry. I

1:19:29

just know AO Harry. Yeah. Yeah. So

1:19:31

he came over. It was great. Chef it up.

1:19:33

Got some nice steaks from Whole Foods on the

1:19:35

grill there. It was really,

1:19:37

really nice. The Airbnb people were like, yeah, do what you

1:19:40

want. Like it wasn't like there was no like, you know,

1:19:42

long list of rules. It was just the people

1:19:44

in Phoenix are pretty chill. It's

1:19:47

like a work bachelor party. Anything

1:19:49

get broken? Nothing got broken. Not

1:19:51

one thing. Let's talk about

1:19:53

the video that I retweeted Kyle in

1:19:55

the wild, where it's you

1:19:58

doing a bit of a good film. as run

1:20:01

through... Little tracking shot there. Yeah,

1:20:03

tracking shot you with

1:20:06

Tate and you're in

1:20:08

that nice kind of cool guy section

1:20:10

of all the media row stuff

1:20:12

and then the first row of the actual

1:20:15

people in attendance. So you're cutting through there,

1:20:17

you've got your passes, so clearly you're

1:20:19

verified. And then you say

1:20:22

hi to Ian Eagle, who's terrific. All

1:20:24

right, my last encounter with Ian Eagle, I

1:20:26

saw him at Net Celtics, said hello after,

1:20:28

what's up? Sarah Kustak, huge fan

1:20:31

of Tom Cruise in the Survivor Series. And

1:20:34

so when I said hello

1:20:36

to Ian, I was like, hey, can we get you on

1:20:38

the pod before the final four? He's like, I don't want

1:20:40

to do that. He's like, maybe after. And I

1:20:42

was like, well, we're not going to want you after. He's like,

1:20:44

exactly. Yeah,

1:20:46

dude. Which

1:20:48

was just an awesome back and forth. It was

1:20:50

like, all right, we're done here. Even

1:20:53

though I've casually known him for a

1:20:55

very, very long time. You, madam,

1:20:58

you were really excited. I think that's

1:21:00

the most excited I've ever seen anyone to

1:21:02

meet Ian Eagle. Then what happened? Well,

1:21:05

my flight was down and I didn't, it was

1:21:07

like, you know, it was the first run

1:21:10

into the arena. And I was like,

1:21:12

let me definitely use the bathroom before. And I

1:21:14

don't know, I just was like, was that not a great

1:21:16

zip? Let me check now that we're like through the scrum,

1:21:18

because the thing I did right before that was, you know,

1:21:21

leave the bathroom. And I

1:21:23

was really happy. And, you know, we were mic'd up,

1:21:25

obviously. But like, we didn't know if I was going

1:21:27

to recognize us. He's been on the pod twice. And

1:21:29

he said nice things about tape. But you know, like,

1:21:31

maybe I'm just like on autopilot there. And he doesn't

1:21:33

even know who we are. We're like, this is a

1:21:35

good test. He does it. I'm very excited. I

1:21:37

think I was something like that's a win or we were

1:21:39

very happy. And then I just

1:21:41

kind of like, you know, raised down to just like, let me

1:21:43

just check that would be crazy if my fly was down, right?

1:21:45

It was the last thing I did. And lo and behold, it

1:21:48

was open. And you know,

1:21:50

just not what you want. Not what you want when

1:21:52

you're with the capital J's at the

1:21:54

Final Four in the nice section. So also,

1:21:58

in hindsight, the Harley Davidson shirt probably could have probably

1:22:01

could have been picked a little differently.

1:22:04

So glad we got there. It was a relatively new shirt. This

1:22:06

is obviously a new shirt. I'm just a new shirt guy. I get

1:22:09

it. And I feel like I got to wear it around. You're

1:22:11

in a new shirt run. I've been there. I love it.

1:22:13

Just got a suit for the wooden awards the other day.

1:22:15

So I'll be in a suit tomorrow. Are

1:22:18

you nominated for something? No, we just think, you

1:22:20

know, we, we got a longstanding relationship with the

1:22:22

wooden rewards, uh, one signing podcast. So we're a,

1:22:24

he said that I performed well last year. There

1:22:26

was no, no issues. They have a fantastic open

1:22:28

bar. No questions out. Um,

1:22:31

and everything we kept it all in check and they

1:22:33

like this and they have a, they'll have us back.

1:22:36

So if you're any like Edie scouting things, I'm sure

1:22:38

he'll be there. Where

1:22:43

did you get the Harley Davidson? And that's

1:22:45

not just a Harley Davidson t-shirt. That's like

1:22:47

the Harley Davidson. Performing fishing gear stuff. Yeah.

1:22:49

Yeah. Yeah. That was in Vegas at the,

1:22:52

uh, fat Sal's, uh, like Vegas watch

1:22:54

party week one. I bought it. Uh, it was

1:22:56

actually the same comedy club we were at. And

1:22:58

I remember like, Oh, I got to check out that Harley

1:23:01

Davidson store. That's right by the thing. I got it popped

1:23:03

it on mid day to just did a complete outfit change

1:23:05

and everyone loved that shirt. I

1:23:07

got a Harley connection. Do you really?

1:23:09

Yeah. And Cape Cod. Yeah,

1:23:11

no, he's, uh, my guy,

1:23:13

Bob Cape Cod was talking to

1:23:16

me the other day. I really liked the specific

1:23:18

Harley shirts. Like the one like some from like

1:23:20

weird someplace in like Florida or something. And it's

1:23:22

like Harley Davidson of the Everglades or something. It's

1:23:24

those are, that's my jam. Do

1:23:26

you have any followups? Sruity? Not

1:23:29

particularly. And obviously shockingly, not a Harley

1:23:32

Davidson guy. Um, not that

1:23:34

I'm, you know, anti-motorcycle, whatever, just didn't grow up

1:23:36

with and didn't know not my style, but honestly,

1:23:38

you know, Kyle is, I've noticed a lot of

1:23:40

camp collars for Kyle. Is that a camp power

1:23:42

too? Like, like the lay flat kind of thing.

1:23:44

Yeah. Yeah. Like lay flat tower guy. Just

1:23:47

max and relaxing at all times. Tommy

1:23:49

Bahama, uh, Harley

1:23:52

Davidson, that kind of what, like, I don't

1:23:54

even know what Kyle's like. Oh, it affects a large man.

1:23:56

Oh, well. Hello for that. Yeah. Okay. That's there. Same with,

1:23:59

same with Nautica too. Yeah, it's good stuff.

1:24:01

Simple guy. Yeah, my guys are over

1:24:03

at Cape Cod. Harley Davidson, Tom Racillo

1:24:05

sent you. Will do. 15% off. Yeah,

1:24:08

I'm thinking about it. Probably not. Probably

1:24:10

not. Maybe

1:24:13

a high five and how you doing? When

1:24:16

Kai was walking around, and I promised we could do a couple

1:24:18

emails here, but I just think this is too good. And

1:24:21

you see this and then everyone loves it.

1:24:23

Your approval rating is very, very high. I

1:24:26

have a theory about like publicly consumed things,

1:24:28

no matter what it is. There is the

1:24:30

unobtainable universal praise

1:24:33

where you may have it for a little while, maybe

1:24:35

Morgan Freeman, and then there's a branch of universal

1:24:37

praise to wait. Is

1:24:40

this guy actually good doubt that Zags

1:24:42

the universal praise? And then there is

1:24:45

zero praise. And

1:24:48

then there is not what you are. The

1:24:50

worst category, irrelevance. That's

1:24:54

what I think about the Caitlin Clark stuff of her being

1:24:56

criticized by all these other players, which I feel like is

1:24:58

just, Hey, we do a lot of the same stuff. We

1:25:00

can get into whatever category you

1:25:02

fall into, but ultimately like a lot of us do

1:25:04

all of the same stuff. And to me, that was

1:25:07

a moment of like, Caitlin Clark arriving. You're like, Hey,

1:25:09

it's just like the NBA. All

1:25:11

these other people are going to be threatened by you and dump on

1:25:13

you. And then people try to tell me that I was wrong because

1:25:16

it was a specific category of that. No,

1:25:18

she's in college and then that doesn't happen. And then immediately

1:25:20

Draymond Green shit on Zachary like 48 hours later. And

1:25:23

so the point is, it's like, no, I'm like,

1:25:25

I'm not wrong on this one. You'll find something

1:25:27

that is right. And then immediately go, well, here's

1:25:29

how you could potentially be wrong. Send,

1:25:32

uh, which is what a lot of us do. The reason I

1:25:34

give you that whole three

1:25:36

slash four tiers of publicly

1:25:38

consumed content,

1:25:41

whatever it is you're doing is

1:25:43

that your approval rating was incredibly high in

1:25:45

the Harley Davidson shirt. Also

1:25:47

with your fly down being pumped about I and Eagle,

1:25:49

then trying to adjust your crotch as

1:25:51

you headed to the tunnel with tape. Everybody

1:25:54

loved it. Everybody loved it. I was

1:25:56

thinking about like the Kyle in the wild series,

1:25:59

but I think This is the part that would happen with

1:26:01

a talent department with Kyle, is they would say, we

1:26:03

don't know though. Is he a one? Is

1:26:06

he a one? He would say he's not a one. And

1:26:08

maybe that's the kind of one you need though. It's like

1:26:10

the guy who- You don't think you're a one? You

1:26:12

think you're a two? Do you think you're a three?

1:26:15

I mean, I don't think I would be lower than

1:26:17

a three, but I think there's definitely a debate to be had

1:26:19

about a two. Yeah. So

1:26:21

you know you're not a one. That's what you're saying

1:26:23

right now. Yeah, yeah. I haven't pitched the

1:26:25

Kyle show. You know what I mean? Like, I don't...

1:26:28

The other thing is like, I don't envy

1:26:30

you guys at all for like having to have opinions. You

1:26:32

know, I can kind of be like, I don't really know

1:26:34

anything about that. And people are like, yeah, check it out.

1:26:36

Like, that sounds right. He doesn't know anything about that. And

1:26:39

he's not saying anything about that. So like,

1:26:41

that's kind of where I like to be. And you can't really

1:26:43

be a number one with that sort of attitude. So

1:26:45

you know. Okay. Now, Saruti,

1:26:47

you're kind of also in management, which

1:26:50

is one of my favorite things about Saruti. Give

1:26:53

us your talent scattering report on if

1:26:55

Kyle's a one, two, or three. Um,

1:27:00

I think your instinct is right. I

1:27:02

think... Because sometimes I feel

1:27:04

the same way too. Like I, you know, I

1:27:06

posted a show before. I posted many shows before.

1:27:08

I don't always feel like a one either. Sometimes

1:27:10

I feel like I'm better. It's like a complimentary

1:27:12

dude. Kyle, I think, is the ultimate complimentary dude.

1:27:16

Everybody likes him. Whenever he's around, vibes are higher. And

1:27:18

he says funny shit. So like, there's... Like,

1:27:21

it's the perfect... It's like,

1:27:23

make your corner on three. You're not an asshole,

1:27:25

but you're like the Draymond Green. You're just the perfect role

1:27:27

player of whatever you're asked to do

1:27:29

in these situations. So that, you know, not to say

1:27:31

that like, you should... Your ceiling should be any lower

1:27:33

or whatever. I don't think like that. That's just... I

1:27:35

think you're good at doing what you're doing. And sometimes

1:27:37

knowing that you're good at what you're good at is

1:27:40

kind of half the battle. So I agree with

1:27:42

Kyle. Was that just a nice shut

1:27:44

up and dribble? No, I'm kidding. No. That's

1:27:47

a joke. I... When

1:27:49

you say though, like, I... That was a three joke,

1:27:51

maybe not a two joke. Nice.

1:27:55

When you say I envy people who don't have to give

1:27:58

opinions, like that's... You know,

1:28:00

that shit, well you see that stuff in the timelines of

1:28:02

blowing up and like your email, your Twitter's blowing up because

1:28:04

you said something or did something wrong. That sucks. And

1:28:07

like that's how you end up. Yeah. Three times

1:28:09

a week you're gonna have to do this for X amount of hours. If you're

1:28:11

a two hour show guy, that's a lot of, that's a lot of thoughts you

1:28:13

gotta have. Yeah. If you could

1:28:15

find a lane where it's just like, I say a couple of

1:28:17

funny things and people like me and like, you know, I'm a

1:28:19

good vibe, good hang. Like that's, that's like, that's awesome. I

1:28:22

think a lot of people are happy or not trying to

1:28:24

be ones. Like if you know you're a two and you're

1:28:26

like, Hey, I'm a two. Like Saruti was a two on

1:28:28

his radio show. He didn't, you wanted to be a zero.

1:28:30

Like I just want to do this man. The

1:28:34

Saruti joke of she didn't even go here that

1:28:36

I never get every single time. Um,

1:28:40

as somebody that was told to his face, he was never going

1:28:42

to be a one and was only a two. Like

1:28:45

that was the worst thing you could have said to me, but I'm

1:28:47

happy somebody said it because they're like, you're

1:28:49

kind of a two. I was like, no, I'm not.

1:28:51

Well, you just hear even like in my early like

1:28:54

pod, like producing stuff, there was just like those producers

1:28:56

that like clearly think they should be in front of

1:28:58

the mic. It's like, everyone can see it. No one

1:29:00

likes it. Even if you're like not saying it overtly,

1:29:02

it's going to be like the things that you do.

1:29:05

And I'm like, all right, well make sure that's never you

1:29:07

because that's the last brother neuros of content. Yeah. Tough.

1:29:10

Nice. Uh, all right. Let's

1:29:13

get to some emails here. But look, Kyle, I'm just

1:29:15

telling you if you ran for office, if

1:29:19

you were elected, I think it would

1:29:21

be the real test of your approval rating. But

1:29:24

I, luckily we're never going to have to find out

1:29:26

because I'm a big, big number two guy and that

1:29:29

didn't come out right. Let's get to some emails. Nice.

1:29:32

That was a number one joke. That

1:29:36

was good. Okay. Uh, let's

1:29:39

get to some emails. This one is about

1:29:41

hinge. The

1:29:43

two married guys, you guys, I'm going

1:29:46

to need one of you to get divorced, to get

1:29:48

back out there so you can help with some of

1:29:50

this stuff. So just maybe playing that seed. Uh, what's

1:29:53

up guys? Five eight player

1:29:55

comp, a short tie Jerome. I love

1:29:57

Ty Jerome's game. I'll

1:30:00

get right to it. I'm 25 single, pretty opposed to

1:30:02

dating apps. However, recently a couple of my friends convinced

1:30:04

me to download hinge. There's a bunch of prompts you

1:30:06

can fill out to describe yourself a bit. One of

1:30:08

them has a poll where you could write in whatever

1:30:11

topic you want and have options to vote on. Do

1:30:13

you guys know about this? Um, I

1:30:15

think I'm not on hinge. I had

1:30:18

a small thing with hinge or more, more familiar with

1:30:20

Tinder. One of

1:30:22

the most popular polls from the girls is Ryan

1:30:24

Gosling versus Ryan Reynolds who

1:30:26

votes for Reynolds in that option. Anyway,

1:30:30

you'd honestly be shocked. Uh, probably probably.

1:30:33

Yeah, she did. She, yeah.

1:30:35

Good point. Counterpoint. You'd

1:30:39

honestly be shocked by how many girls have it being

1:30:42

a huge sports guy and fan of the pod and

1:30:44

perhaps hoping for a little self sabotage. I decided to

1:30:46

include the third option, Ryan Risillo, my

1:30:48

thinking essentially being if some girl ever votes Ryan,

1:30:50

she's going to be the one, right? So

1:30:52

far, you guessed it. No votes for Risillo, but

1:30:55

we can consider not even like an

1:30:57

ironic, I don't even know who

1:31:00

that is vote. Like a classic

1:31:02

guy, bad looking. I'm just

1:31:04

kidding. Uh, no votes is

1:31:06

low. That's about the lowest number you

1:31:08

can make curiosity about. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

1:31:12

But we can consider that a team

1:31:14

failure, uh, as I'm sure the rest of my

1:31:16

profile has something to do with it. Oh wow.

1:31:18

Taking blame a leader here. Basically,

1:31:21

is this the dumbest prompt you can imagine or should

1:31:23

I stick with it and hope there's a 25 year

1:31:25

old Risillo stand out there for me. Um,

1:31:28

and PS, we are going to say this. If

1:31:30

you're a mid twenties girl in Charlotte who loves

1:31:32

the pod, maybe reach out to life advice and

1:31:34

Kyle will be nice enough to connect us. You

1:31:36

know what? We will. Hell

1:31:38

yeah. We'll do it. Chances

1:31:41

are nine of them will be fake, but

1:31:45

we'll try to sort through those a

1:31:47

little bit stricter. When

1:31:49

you count the wide net, I mean, yeah,

1:31:52

right. Yeah. So we'll, uh, we'll try to

1:31:54

help you out if you're out there. All right. Hmm.

1:31:58

Okay. This, I think we have, two good

1:32:00

ones and we haven't really even started. So we gave you a lot

1:32:02

of Kyle because he missed them. 28, 5, 10, 170, 200 bench, 275

1:32:04

squat, big home gym guy, basketball comp, poor man, Shane

1:32:10

Larkin. Shane Larkin was a fucking

1:32:12

athletic kid. Yeah. Yeah. I hope you know what

1:32:15

you're talking about. I got married

1:32:17

this past fall to my long-term girlfriend. We met

1:32:19

right at the end of our freshman year of

1:32:21

college. I've been together ever since. I'm a lucky

1:32:23

dude. She's a high lottery pick type when it

1:32:25

comes to what you're looking for in a partner,

1:32:27

always a good time, minimal drama, a kind person,

1:32:29

a full on smoke show. We live in a

1:32:31

city where a majority of my friends moved to

1:32:33

post college. We have great late 20 social life

1:32:35

with happy hours dive, but if the rest of

1:32:37

the emailers are not depressed, um,

1:32:41

group dinners, occasional house parties,

1:32:43

but mainly like everything, what's

1:32:45

the guy's problem? But mainly with my core

1:32:47

group of guys and their girlfriends and wives,

1:32:49

her core group of girls live in a

1:32:51

different city across the state. Okay. So it's

1:32:53

his core group is the social structure. Our

1:32:56

girls are somewhere else. And it sucks for

1:32:58

her that we spend most of our time

1:33:00

around my friends. She doesn't like the wives

1:33:03

rotating group of girls, uh, that

1:33:05

my friends are with, but it's just

1:33:08

not her main group. We do travel to see her friends

1:33:10

as much as we can. Did you get the point? Yeah.

1:33:12

Life. Six months ago, one

1:33:14

of her best friends moved about an hour away

1:33:16

from us for a job in a

1:33:18

much more suburban area than ours. She

1:33:21

doesn't know anyone there. So as a result, she'd

1:33:23

been spending a shitload of time at my house. She's

1:33:25

a solid hang and makes my wife happy to

1:33:27

have around, but it started off with just a weekend

1:33:29

every month or so and it snowballed into every

1:33:31

weekend. She now even

1:33:33

throws in the random weekday night sleepover when she

1:33:35

has a date in the city or at a

1:33:37

random event, it's going to be too much. Even

1:33:40

jinxes, she should just move in another layer during

1:33:42

the first few trips. I would pick up her

1:33:44

dinner tab and drinks throughout the night and that's

1:33:46

fine every now and then, but it's become expected

1:33:48

that I pick up her whole tab. God, the

1:33:50

first transaction is always the one that sets its

1:33:52

own, right? Which is

1:33:55

probably encouraging her to

1:33:57

take, continue and increase the

1:33:59

frequency of her visits. I think you understand

1:34:01

what we're trying to say there. I'm overall happy.

1:34:03

Yeah, right. I mean, she's fucking an IL deal.

1:34:07

New in law. So I'm

1:34:10

overall happy that my wife has a good friend to

1:34:12

hang out with. My desired outcome is not that she

1:34:14

never comes over, but how do I go about getting

1:34:16

this dialed back without hurting my wife or offending her

1:34:19

friend? She sends a picture

1:34:21

of both to confirm,

1:34:24

but also to show us that they're

1:34:26

both really hot. So

1:34:28

congrats. Definitely. Definitely. That was a part of that pie

1:34:30

chart. Yeah. It's like, Hey, by the way, they're wicked

1:34:32

hot. Here's a pic. It's

1:34:36

probably a lot of guys being like, this is, you're depending

1:34:38

on the tax man. Sorry. Have everything else as a tan

1:34:40

in your life. So, you know, things are

1:34:42

zero. The miscommunication is that she's getting the

1:34:44

full host treatment, right? That's the issue here.

1:34:47

Like it hasn't been dialed back and

1:34:49

it's like, you know, like at a

1:34:51

certain point, you're not like, Hey, can I get you

1:34:53

anything after, you know, you're here every weekend and, you

1:34:56

know, sometimes on Wednesdays. So I think

1:34:58

there's got to be some sort of way that you can like, not

1:35:01

explicitly say, but like set the tone where

1:35:03

it's like, you're not, you're not a tier one

1:35:06

guest here. You're like, you know, you're like not

1:35:08

really knocking anymore. You're kind of just opening the

1:35:10

door. You know what I mean? So like,

1:35:13

maybe there's a way you can, I don't know.

1:35:15

Start making jokes. Like, can you, can you like say,

1:35:17

Hey, like, wow, you really are on scholarship at this

1:35:19

house for the last few, you know, like make a

1:35:22

couple of subtle jabs at her. Like, don't be a

1:35:24

dick about it, but like make it known that, wow,

1:35:26

you're really kind of like just a part of this

1:35:28

thing now and see how

1:35:30

that goes. Maybe talk it over with your wife first,

1:35:32

but you got to get a shift over here. Yeah,

1:35:34

a couple. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:35:37

great. Great call.

1:35:40

Yeah. Just give her a pile of laundry and say,

1:35:42

Hey, you know, I can fold itself. Hey, when you

1:35:44

come over this weekend, you think you could get those

1:35:46

big contractor leave bags? Cause we've got a big project

1:35:48

coming up. The, they're picking up the leaves on Sunday

1:35:50

and I just really could use some help. So when

1:35:52

you show up on your normal time, can you just

1:35:54

come with those big bags? Like maybe there's something you

1:35:56

could do to be like straight up after if she

1:35:58

wants to split the cable. You know,

1:36:00

you're kind of part of the family, right? This

1:36:03

one's tough, but it starts with the wife. You can't

1:36:05

go to the friend first Yeah, you have to like

1:36:07

him up my wife if your wife is this cool

1:36:10

It's starting to add up like what

1:36:12

are you more worried about the poppins that

1:36:14

it's every weekend? I mean, especially when it's

1:36:16

new and it's your wife

1:36:18

Like you don't want somebody there all the

1:36:20

time like it was probably stop having sex

1:36:23

in like five years But I

1:36:25

would guess that there's just all different things

1:36:27

that are happening right now Where

1:36:29

it's like I just started my life Even

1:36:32

though you've been with her for a long time. You'd be 20

1:36:34

announced I mean she's been with her for like 10 years But

1:36:36

like you've just started the adult phase of your life in this

1:36:38

whole thing and you would hope the

1:36:40

other person is at least self aware enough

1:36:42

to realize but she could be selfish because

1:36:45

she's Really

1:36:48

upset how bored and lonely she is so

1:36:50

far away right in the beginning. It's like

1:36:52

oh cool. She has her friend But

1:36:55

if you're thinking about her perspective is like

1:36:57

the only social outlet I have is to

1:36:59

go over there But you hope you get

1:37:02

that figured out later in life like we've

1:37:04

already covered this of the couple

1:37:06

times where I was just so young that

1:37:08

I didn't even understand like what a Take are I

1:37:10

was being and just say my buddies who actually have

1:37:12

real nine-to-fives and I'm visiting from another town and I

1:37:14

still Don't really have anything going on in my life

1:37:17

and it's like yeah, I'm gonna go off four nights

1:37:19

in a row And yeah, I may like bring somebody

1:37:21

back and like what do you what's your problem? What

1:37:23

you guys know about Billy Bob's get some good getting

1:37:25

some good reviews Riley Bob's on Thursdays. What's wrong? Yeah.

1:37:28

Yeah You guys aren't going

1:37:30

out on Wednesday. Like I'm in town. What's wrong with

1:37:32

you guys? They're like cuz I have a fucking job

1:37:35

you know, so This

1:37:38

is a little different, you know, cuz you're you're getting

1:37:40

closer to 30 year But she may not

1:37:42

have anything else as far as the tabs. You can just

1:37:44

go to your wife and go. Hey look, I Shouldn't

1:37:47

have to like take everybody out.

1:37:49

Maybe you make up some stories. Yeah, like

1:37:51

my husband Your wife goes to

1:37:53

friends like he got murdered day trading this

1:37:55

one murder Alright, so at

1:37:57

least there's some weird fake excuse All

1:38:00

of a sudden you'd hope that she would kind of figure it out

1:38:02

But then of course that some people just are like

1:38:04

they're psyched to be takers. They're just thrilled

1:38:07