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El que.com tonight Look into. Welcome

1:36

to NBA obituary season. I'd like to treat this

1:38

a little bit differently maybe than some others do.

1:40

When I look at the West and I look

1:42

at some of the potential endings and the ending

1:44

we had last night in the first round to

1:47

the Lakers. I'm more along the lines of like

1:49

hey this conference is loaded. These top three teams

1:51

are all pretty special. Okay sorry

1:54

you know it didn't really work out so what does it really

1:56

mean? A lot of times I think I'm just gonna look at

1:58

it and be like hey you lost to a really good team. And I

2:01

think in the case of Denver, LA, we'd all agree. LA

2:04

lost to a better team in Denver, right? It's not

2:06

exactly breaking news. If

2:08

you wanna talk disappointing, if

2:10

the Celtics can't get out of the East this year,

2:12

even with a Prozingis injury that does change things, limit

2:15

some of the things that they'd be able to do,

2:17

a stretch five that the other big guys that they

2:19

would go up against that would have to chase a

2:21

little bit more than say the way they use Horford,

2:23

although he's certainly a stretch five as well. Some

2:25

of the lineups where they played both of them

2:28

together. And the fact that Horford at this age

2:30

is now gonna take on all these primary minutes

2:32

until we know what's going on with Prozingis long-term

2:34

here, but it didn't look good last night. But

2:36

if Boston with the way Milwaukee has fallen apart

2:38

here with the four or five matchup, probably not

2:40

scaring you all that much. If Philly were to

2:42

come back somehow, I'm just throwing them into the mix.

2:45

But if Philly with Embiid going like, what would he

2:47

look like in another couple of weeks? Would he be

2:49

in better shape? Would it be worse shaped physically? And

2:51

then ultimately it really is Brunson because they look like

2:54

the best remaining team in the East. You'd think Boston

2:56

would have enough perimeter defenders to be able to throw

2:58

a Brunson to win four of seven games against York.

3:00

That's how I feel today, but the Prozingis thing limits

3:02

them. But as far as bad endings,

3:05

like there's a potential bad ending for Boston that'd

3:07

be way worse than any of these teams that

3:09

I see in the West

3:11

because of the competition. So

3:15

let's talk about the Lakers because the Lakers

3:18

are a team that is

3:21

covered obsessively locally, which makes

3:23

sense, but also nationally. It's kind of the way it

3:25

plays out and LeBron still being the

3:28

biggest brand star in the league. It makes

3:30

sense. Locally, it's kind of like

3:32

the Armageddon stuff the next day, like all these things

3:34

need to change. I always joke about how we shouldn't

3:36

actually talk about the Super Bowl after the

3:39

Super Bowl. We should talk about it

3:41

a week later. Clearly that

3:43

would never happen, but like whatever happens in that

3:45

game, the recency bias of all of these eliminations

3:47

that are about to happen in the playoffs, it's

3:49

like that 24 hours, everybody's so upset. These

3:52

start like almost becoming irrational

3:54

about some of the things you think the team

3:56

needs to. But if we look

3:58

at the different things, the Lakers are... looking at here,

4:01

whether it's Darvin Hams future, LeBron's

4:03

contract, trade partners, potential stuff that

4:05

could happen this summer, D'Angelo Russell's

4:07

player option. There's a few things

4:09

here that

4:11

I want to touch base on. So

4:15

the rumors of what LeBron

4:17

wants are three

4:19

years and 164 million. That's

4:23

what we know, at least publicly, is sort of like, yeah,

4:25

that's what it'll take for a new deal for him. I

4:27

thought he was really good last night. The

4:30

shot making for him is incredible.

4:33

Once AD got hurt with that shoulder injury, which

4:36

at the time you were like, wait, he's down

4:38

from that collision, but shoulders can be a little

4:40

weird. I thought LeBron cranked it

4:42

up. He knew then I was worried, oh, is

4:44

he going to crank it up during him trying

4:46

to save this with AD lingering here? Is

4:48

he going to be worn out at the end? And he wasn't.

4:50

He was still really good. So the

4:52

production continues to be absurd for him. Season

4:55

21, Reggie Miller. It's

4:59

the second best shooting percentage of his career

5:01

at still a 30% usage rate. Something

5:05

I was looking at him over the years where I felt

5:07

like his three point attempt rate was going up. So if

5:10

you look at how a guy plays, be like, how often

5:12

is he getting to the free throw line? How many of

5:14

his attempts, what percentage of his attempts overall

5:17

shots? Like you'd say you've taken 10 shots

5:19

a game. How many of those are threes?

5:21

Well, he was trending towards leaning on the

5:23

three point shot attempts more. But

5:25

this year, it was the lowest three point

5:27

attempt rate in six seasons. Combining that with

5:30

the best he's ever shot at from three.

5:33

She's like, God, and he still has

5:35

the ball all the time. He

5:39

does float a bit. And

5:41

he still puts up the numbers. The defense

5:44

is not a plus if he's on the ball

5:47

and he has to do something. OK, but

5:49

if he's off the ball, he's not going

5:51

to move a ton. This

5:53

isn't new, but I've just heard some people,

5:56

you know, say, oh, he's still out there as this two way

5:58

play. He's not. He's not any of those things. okay,

6:00

because I can't even believe he's this offensively at

6:02

39. The energy

6:04

he needs to battle with Aaron Gordon on the

6:07

glass in some of these moments late, it's

6:10

not a great match for LeBron, you

6:12

know, and there's just some guys too, just be like,

6:14

look, I think I probably need to use more of

6:17

my energy on offense anyway to get us a better

6:19

look than making sure I'm dialed into

6:21

every single rotation. And as I say,

6:23

these things are like, wait, did someone in

6:25

the media both praise and critique a

6:28

high profile athlete? Has that ever happened before? Yeah, that's what

6:30

we just did. We just did giving you the full scope.

6:33

So I wouldn't love the idea as

6:36

great as the production is then of giving

6:38

LeBron James 164 million

6:40

because of like, what's

6:43

it going to look like in three years? Now, three years

6:45

ago, I wouldn't have thought it was going to look like

6:47

this, but I mean, look, at some point, I think we

6:49

have to be reasonable. Like what will that look like? What

6:51

will that number mean? And will it matter

6:54

or the Lakers like, I don't know. Who

6:56

cares? So it'll look bad in three years.

6:58

Maybe these next two, if you add a

7:01

piece here, tweak there, this team can really contend

7:03

in the West. Um, it

7:05

could also, and it likely is a public

7:07

tactic of negotiating like, wait, just throw out

7:09

what the maximum number is there and

7:12

then let them know that that's what

7:14

we want and you know, we'll see what happens. I'd love if

7:16

you were running the Lakers, if you were genie bus, if you're

7:18

playing, could just go, Hey, we want you back. We're

7:20

going to pay. Is there any way we don't have to pay you

7:22

like the full thing? Because

7:25

of the other teams that have cap space, do

7:27

you want to go to Detroit, Orlando,

7:30

Toronto, Utah, Charlotte,

7:34

Philly's out there lingering with a huge amount

7:36

of cap space, but would LeBron going to

7:38

Philly. Whatever else they

7:41

did, which is unknown at this point, would

7:43

that actually be better position for LeBron to

7:45

continue to contend for championships than what the

7:47

Lakers have right now? I don't

7:49

know. That's a tough one to hit your wagon.

7:51

It beat, although you could say the same thing about AD,

7:54

but he ended up healthier this season. So that's just

7:56

the results of this season. You could

7:58

argue, all right, well in the East, he probably. they have

8:00

an easier path than what we have right now

8:02

feels like a stacked West. So

8:05

I'd be shocked if he opts out in

8:07

leaves. He may opt out of

8:10

his player option. He

8:12

has to make that decision by June 29, but

8:15

he could opt out of it, get the new deal

8:17

or he could opt into it and then add two

8:19

years in the extension. And you

8:21

know with LeBron, there's always going to be the crazy

8:23

stories like two years ago when he was kind of

8:25

floating the idea of like, yeah, I see myself coming

8:27

back to Cleveland one more time. Well, that was about

8:29

leverage. That was about putting pressure on the Lakers. He

8:31

loves doing this stuff. Sometimes I think it's a complete

8:33

waste of energy and totally pointless. Or like when he

8:35

was flirting with New York, if that's even what it

8:37

was before the trade deadline, he

8:39

of course wanted him to trade a pick, throws

8:42

on the Knicks towel. We all talk about it for two

8:44

days. As if any front office would be like, well, kind

8:46

of on the fence if we should do anything. Wait, he

8:48

put on a Knicks towel? All

8:51

right, let's move him first for Daffyred. Knicks

8:53

towel. The funny

8:55

thing about not using any assets to just add to

8:57

a team that probably was going to beat any of

8:59

the best teams in the West anyway, and maybe you

9:02

disagree with that, but we'll get to it. Is

9:05

that now they're armed with maybe enough stuff to outbid

9:07

somebody else for the next guy that is on the

9:09

move, whether it's the rumor names that we know about.

9:12

It seems like everybody thinks Trey Young's done in Atlanta. That's

9:15

just what everybody keeps saying. But

9:18

you know, you're reading the same stuff I am. I've

9:20

not heard anything definitive on it. The Donovan Mitchell thing

9:22

where it feels like Cleveland's going to be forced to

9:24

figure this out to get some kind of asset for

9:26

somebody back that no one is predicting that he would

9:29

stay in Cleveland long term. And Zach

9:31

Levine, who's always been a Laurent favorite, you

9:33

know, maybe there's some kind of play there

9:35

and maybe you win the trade bidding because

9:37

you didn't make a move before the deadline

9:40

and be impatient. And now they have more picks to go

9:42

ahead and do this. There's also the names out there because

9:44

I still feel like we're on the cusp of something weird,

9:47

whether it seems to feel like, hey, we've kind of been the same for

9:49

a while. Maybe it's time to shake it up or

9:51

the player

9:53

that we don't know yet that's going to do something.

9:56

I actually want out of here because it has been

9:58

quiet for a while. it's going back

10:00

to what hardened the beginning of the year. That's

10:03

a long time for it to

10:05

be a quiet season as far as the demands are

10:07

concerned. So I still think we have the potential just

10:09

based on the amount of time that has gone by

10:11

that it's been kind of quiet. So who knows? Who

10:13

knows what is out there as an option that we're

10:15

not even thinking about today at the end

10:17

of April, beginning of May. But

10:19

the default setting for NBA GMs is usually of

10:21

any of the sports, tweak

10:24

here, tweak there, but we're going to run it back. We're

10:26

just going to run it back. We don't like, hey, look, we

10:28

may need to move on from somebody, but we don't

10:30

like we're being offered. So we're just going to run

10:32

it back. And if we're healthier, we'll just be better.

10:34

That's the assumption a lot of front offices make. The

10:38

Gangelo Russell one's interesting, even though it's minor in the

10:40

grand scheme and the LeBron stuff and some of the

10:42

other things we're going to talk about, because with an

10:44

$18.7 million player option

10:46

for Gangelo Russell, I'm like, there's no way he's

10:48

not picking that up. It's a lot

10:50

of money for him. Well, he played really well

10:52

second half of the season, like really steady, steadier

10:55

than I thought he could play. Don't love all

10:57

the playoff stuff. We know the goods, we know

10:59

the bads. I don't love an unsupervised Gangelo Russell

11:01

with a new team in their cap space, as

11:03

opposed to supervised Gangelo Russell, where he knows he

11:06

still kind of has to keep it in line

11:08

a little bit with the Lakers, with guys like

11:10

LeBron and AD there. But

11:12

now I look at it going, like he might

11:15

be somebody that they regret

11:18

not having if

11:20

he opts out of that player option because of these

11:22

teams that we talked about that have cap space, somebody

11:24

is going to spend their space on some of these

11:26

guys, the Dylan Brooks lesson that we all learned last

11:28

year. Darvin

11:31

Ham. Before

11:34

I get to him in this season, I want to

11:36

bring up the Phoenix thing one more time, because as

11:38

Bill and I were doing the Sunday pod talking about

11:40

Phoenix and how disappointing that is, and that may be

11:42

the team that can't look at themselves and say, ah,

11:44

whatever, we lost a really good team. Like we're fine.

11:46

They're not fine. But Shams having

11:48

these reports up, both

11:51

involved in the Lakers report for the athletic and then the

11:53

Phoenix stuff, like this is all ready to go. And this

11:57

is the part of the coaching thing I think is incredibly important.

12:00

unfair because it's like, okay, so the person who's

12:02

in charge, although when you're an NBA coach, it's

12:04

hard for you to be in charge the way

12:06

someone is in charge of your nine to five.

12:08

But like, think about your life. I don't like

12:10

doing this with sports because they're

12:13

just different than us and they're more special than

12:15

us. But you think you'd

12:17

get a quote from anybody in your office

12:20

about the supervisor that wouldn't be

12:22

glowing at some point

12:24

over the year? Like, of course, there are times

12:26

and these guys are completely different because they are

12:28

so special at what they do the minute they

12:30

have some doubt with you. And we're like, Oh,

12:33

well, I didn't love when the coach did this.

12:35

I love that part of the

12:37

Phoenix story was that Vogel yelled at them after

12:39

scoring single digits against the Clippers. That was like,

12:41

Yeah, I didn't feel real. It's like you guys

12:44

didn't crack 10 points against

12:47

the Clippers to start that game. Like,

12:49

but you don't like the message. Right?

12:52

If you if you can find someone else to

12:55

blame other than yourself, human nature is

12:57

we always take that path. So

13:01

even though I like the cop of the everyday

13:03

thing, knowing that in this

13:05

case, really the employees,

13:07

the players are

13:09

some of the most talented individuals in the world

13:11

doing something that a lot of people are paying

13:13

attention to. I think

13:16

the comp works in that it feels unfair

13:18

to the coaches because it's same things happening

13:20

to him towards the end

13:22

of the season, different moments of the season. And then there was the

13:24

big wrap up in the athletic today about all the things that he

13:26

didn't do right. It's like, okay, here

13:29

we go. Now, I thought ham struggled

13:31

with the rotations, but I also thought they brought in

13:33

a lot of players of free agency that all expected

13:35

to play. So instead of burying a couple of them,

13:38

I think ham was just trying to kind of figure

13:40

things out and hope it would be a

13:42

little bit better or quicker. But like the thing you figure

13:44

out with Ken reddish is like, Oh, this is why he

13:46

was available with this amount of money. This is why Jackson

13:48

Hayes is available for this amount of money. The Prince thing

13:50

doesn't make a ton of sense of worth plus minus, I

13:53

believe on the Lakers this year. And he

13:55

moved off of it. He benched Reeves, which didn't

13:57

make sense. He was late on the Ruby thing. But

13:59

once the added Rui and they kind of knew who

14:01

they were. They were really good offense

14:03

to close the NBA regular season. They finished 19

14:05

and seven. And

14:07

like I said at the beginning, they're a good team. They're

14:10

a good team this year, ended up being a little bit better than I thought they would

14:12

be. But if

14:15

they had had a better, tighter

14:17

rotation and Ham it figure these things out earlier,

14:19

what does it mean? Maybe they

14:21

get to a five seed, maybe it's a four seed. Maybe

14:24

they pay the Clippers in the first round and if they're

14:26

hurt, they get through the first round, then they play OKC.

14:29

I'm not picking them against OKC, no

14:31

way. So that it means what? The

14:34

Lakers get through the first round, they had a

14:36

better seed, Ham was more steady as a coach,

14:38

he was better with his rotations. He didn't experiment

14:40

as much, but they lost to OKC in six.

14:42

But a game here, game there, bounce that maybe

14:44

they're this close to the Western Conference Finals. The

14:47

point is that there are a lot

14:50

of endings in the playoffs and I

14:52

think it'll happen this year in the West where you're like, man,

14:54

what is wrong with us? And the

14:57

real answer to that, it's not

14:59

so much what's wrong with you, it's just that other

15:01

team was better, Denver's better than LA. I

15:04

think we have enough evidence now to prove

15:06

that Denver is just a brutal matchup for the

15:08

Lakers, even though the Lakers led so much of

15:10

the series, they're just not at their

15:12

level. I don't think we need to see more games of

15:14

it. I don't think it's just about luck, I don't think

15:17

it's about coaching. The closing minutes are

15:19

just stronger with the activity of

15:21

the Denver players and those of the guys on

15:23

the Lakers. But if the

15:25

Lakers had made it through against

15:27

an easier first round and then lost

15:29

later in the playoffs, then it would

15:31

be packaged as if they were a

15:33

little bit closer and then you would just run them all back,

15:36

right? Run it back, make that trade and then who knows,

15:38

are there the favorites in the West? When

15:42

the packaging can be completely

15:44

different, but it likely means you're just

15:46

the same team. And

15:49

this same team moving forward,

15:51

whatever the LeBron extension ends up being, and

15:54

maybe with that big piece that's out there, if they wanna move

15:56

all the picks again, which just means

15:58

they're completely mortgaging all of this post LeBron

16:00

stuff and maybe means the Lakers picks

16:02

are more valuable in the trade market because

16:05

they're like wait if they're trading us unprotected

16:07

future first down the road and then LeBron's

16:10

post 40 a these health stuff

16:12

like those could actually be spun

16:14

depending on the protection as

16:17

like man those picks might be something I want to

16:19

get into with a GM that is in a steady

16:21

situation who's going to be there long haul or just

16:23

took the job but

16:26

that's always my point with this NBA obituary

16:28

season it's like alright so you lost the

16:30

first round you just sit there

16:33

and say like oh we made it the Western Conference

16:35

Finals you might be the exact same team the path

16:37

was different and it might not mean

16:39

anything different about who you actually are as a franchise

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18:02

three-time Daytona winner What's

18:06

going on? We're talking Lakers

18:08

to start the show today. Did you... I

18:11

imagine you grew up a Lakers fan, right? Yeah,

18:14

for sure. Born and raised

18:17

here at L.A., South Central Los Angeles.

18:19

The Lakers was like... I

18:22

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18:24

time, we both had the Rams and the Raiders.

18:26

So, sports was like...

18:28

It was always, I

18:30

would say, in the L.A. DNA,

18:33

but basketball is the culture. You know what I mean?

18:35

And so the Lakers said that. I would

18:38

say I was born in 79. That was the

18:41

year Magic won his first title, April

18:44

13th. So that's the year.

18:47

The season was over and we were on a

18:49

quest, baby. So I say

18:51

I'm a Lakers finals baby.

18:53

So I've

18:57

always been a Laker fan, man. I've

18:59

always been a Laker fan. I've always been hard not to

19:02

be a Laker fan because

19:04

I'm from here in just a small

19:07

city. That makes sense. But

19:10

I think I know enough of you guys

19:12

was like, all right, so you play. You

19:15

play a long time. Do you

19:17

watch last night's game? Do you

19:19

care? Absolutely. Okay. All

19:22

right. So you were good watching.

19:24

You got to think now that

19:26

I'm retired, it's

19:29

not just me watching the Laker game. It's

19:31

like me watching the game with my friends and

19:34

everybody's Laker fans. It's almost

19:36

like a Laker bar over here. Or

19:41

when the next play, it's like a Nick bar. So

19:43

people come over to

19:45

our slick studios. And

19:48

then I looked up last night and there's about

19:50

56 people

19:52

here and they all say, and

19:56

cry. Damn near crying. It's

19:59

like... Yeah, it's like

20:01

all right, let's go. I had to

20:03

leave the liquor therapy session the liquor

20:05

fan therapy session last night While

20:09

we were watching tnt I

20:13

may need an after show for fans going

20:15

out in the playoffs shoot For

20:18

some therapy boy. That was that was

20:20

some shit Man,

20:26

I wish she was here and then ryan for a few

20:28

here you would have been like damn You

20:30

know is la gonna make it as it's said

20:36

It was like Let's

20:38

go ahead. I'm just teasing. No, I could no

20:41

i'm thinking I

20:44

have I have dumb questions. I would ask

20:46

you right right now maybe in a podcast

20:49

but if it's your buddies Right,

20:51

but are they saying like oh they they gotta

20:53

bring labrom back or they can't bring labrom back

20:55

Like that's going to be a brutal spot for

20:58

you for them hoping you have an insight that

21:00

none of them and then of course The

21:02

game is always they don't even care about your

21:04

answer They want you to hear their answer anyway

21:06

But like what's that role like for you trying

21:08

to explain to them? Like now they should do

21:11

this not do this I mean,

21:13

I don't even have a chance to explain. It's just

21:16

Basically saying like yeah, man. I know Yeah,

21:19

it starts with the complaining. We didn't have our

21:21

full team. Got it We

21:23

didn't have this guy got it. What

21:26

if we had all these dudes then got it?

21:30

You know everybody wants labrom to come

21:32

back um I

21:34

would say from you know from the from the

21:37

fan perspective but

21:40

you know just kind of looking at it all you

21:42

know just from like a basketball

21:45

mind it's like The

21:47

Lakers just gotta get the right

21:49

pieces Around what

21:52

the half right you got an older labroad

21:55

You got ad and this prime. It's not

21:57

really been utilized

22:00

You know what I mean the right way To

22:04

the best of his to the best of his

22:06

dominating ability, you know what I mean And

22:11

he hasn't been treated like a champion

22:13

even though he won a championship that

22:16

was a bubble or not And

22:19

The Lakers need the right pieces. They need

22:21

some pieces man. You know what I mean?

22:23

It's like, you know, they went out

22:26

this offseason They had

22:28

a good team and look like they were gonna be you

22:31

know a dominant team when they won the play in

22:33

you know what I mean, but They

22:36

still they they still needed

22:38

to work out some kinks

22:40

and rotational issues You

22:43

know who plays with who who

22:45

was playing in position out of

22:47

position, you know, they just

22:49

never really felt like The

22:52

cards are always aligned or you know what

22:54

I mean are like it was

22:56

set up properly Or

23:00

if it was you know, it's just like the

23:03

rotation one rotating You know what I

23:05

mean the jelly one really

23:07

jellin and they still you know, but

23:09

they play so hard You can't take

23:11

anything away From how

23:13

hard they played, you know,

23:16

I just think it's You

23:18

know playoffs are you got a small

23:20

margin for error You

23:23

know what I mean? And then you can't

23:25

get in and out of rhythm Especially

23:27

you got great players and your greatest

23:29

players can't be the hardest player Hustle

23:33

guys and the energy guys that you need for

23:35

the tape So

23:37

that was my little Kind

23:40

of way that I was trying to calm Like

23:42

her fan and like her fan nerves, but like

23:45

you you know, you got LeBron he's going on

23:47

already not for you Or something like that a

23:50

B and his prime the Angelo Russell's

23:52

ball it you know what I mean

23:54

now like who else? And

23:56

what are they gonna do consistently each each

23:58

night? Right? Who's that? defensive guy,

24:01

right? Who's the rebounder? Who's

24:03

the, you know, who's the

24:05

three point shooter, right? And

24:08

so the Lakers, the Lakers issues,

24:10

nobody else had really had

24:13

a defined role. Yeah,

24:15

it was tough for them to kind of figure it out

24:18

when they did. I still feel like they ran into a

24:20

really good team. Like I started today by saying, look,

24:22

I think the Lakers are good. They're not special. The West

24:24

is loaded and they lost to maybe the best team in

24:26

the league. If you're the Lakers though, Baron,

24:30

say you're running it, right? Would you give LeBron

24:32

the full through your extension? No,

24:36

I mean, I wouldn't, you know what I

24:39

mean? If I was running the team, you

24:41

got to think the top two teams in

24:44

the league are the youngest teams in the

24:46

league, right? We're

24:49

at the bottom of the barrel, right?

24:52

Barely made it in due to the

24:54

play. You know what I mean? I don't

24:58

know. I would try

25:00

and do something different. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it

25:02

for your extension. I

25:04

mean, unless, unless you can get the

25:07

right, like now, unless

25:09

you can get the right pieces, you know

25:12

what I mean? But at some point you

25:14

got to like, like

25:17

in the Lakers are in Mike purgatory, right?

25:19

Because you're at the bottom of the playoff

25:21

pool. You're not going to qualify for

25:23

the lottery. You probably don't even have any picks.

25:26

I don't know what kind of picks they have

25:28

this year are in future drafts.

25:30

And so if you extend LeBron three

25:33

years, you know what I'm saying? Then

25:35

you got to go put some, you got to

25:37

go bring in another dog. You

25:40

got to go bring in somebody to compliment a

25:42

B LeBron is going to be

25:44

LeBron and do all the things that

25:47

needs to happen. But there's also a

25:49

way that I see LeBron and

25:51

the fourth year of that third

25:53

year extension being like an

25:56

incredible, you know, plate forward, right?

25:59

That he is. He may not as be

26:01

may not be as athletic, but he'll

26:03

make big shots. He'll make playing in plays You

26:08

know shoot the ball better, you know what I mean?

26:10

I you know, he's just he's he's

26:12

growing like, you know He's growing with age

26:15

and his game is getting a little bit

26:17

more efficient more efficient I would say

26:19

if you look at it, but you

26:21

got to bring in the dog and so

26:23

who are you bringing in? to

26:26

compliment a D That's

26:29

what you need. You got to build the team around ad you

26:31

can't build the team around When

26:34

you were playing you

26:36

know We've been in an

26:38

age where guys are are Talking

26:40

and you know, I always thought it was kind of silly

26:42

when people be like, oh well when it's Team USA all

26:44

these guys Buddy up and it's like

26:46

man. That's just any business This doesn't make any dent just

26:48

because they're all hanging out doesn't mean they're all gonna

26:50

get their way and then everybody's gonna end up On whatever

26:53

team but like what was going

26:55

on When you were

26:57

playing and guys were talking about moving around that

26:59

maybe we never understood from the outside like the

27:01

conversations that are going On right now with the

27:03

players like the stuff you experienced when you were

27:05

playing and be like wait If you're gonna go

27:07

there or what's gonna happen here? Like what was

27:10

that like when you play? Yeah,

27:12

it wasn't really cracking like that for us

27:14

when I was playing, you know, it

27:16

wasn't like a lot of Teaming

27:19

up, you know like You

27:22

know LeBron You

27:24

know the the Boston thing was probably like

27:26

one of the bigger things that happened and

27:28

that was a shame You

27:30

know what? I mean with LeBron and they did

27:32

the thing with the heat I

27:34

was the first time, you know that we

27:37

had kind of I seen that you know

27:39

what I mean? And so, you know,

27:41

it took two or three years for that to fully

27:43

develop and by that time we were You

27:46

know I was out but you know just

27:48

kind of knowing the league and normal do's

27:50

it their friends, right? And so now

27:53

that the season is over, you know,

27:55

it used to be you have your your eval

27:59

or final walkout meeting, right?

28:02

Those walkout means are way different, right?

28:05

Because a lot of them may be

28:07

sales pitches to try

28:09

and keep a player more so than like

28:12

being mad at somebody and telling them you gotta go

28:14

work on your game this summer. You know what I

28:16

mean? Like back in our

28:18

day, it was like, you had your

28:21

exit meeting and the coach, you

28:24

know, the coach came to an agreement like,

28:26

yo bro, you didn't start this year, your

28:28

rookie year, you better be starting,

28:30

you better go work on your jumper, you better

28:32

go do all this, right? You

28:34

know, if it was today's time, I coulda shook, you

28:36

know what I mean? And

28:40

be like, all right, I'm cool, like yeah, yeah,

28:42

yeah. You know what, so the

28:44

players have the power, they talk a lot,

28:46

they tryna power up. You

28:48

know, I think the issue is like, they

28:52

all tryna figure out, like they're friends,

28:54

right? And so they're all tryna

28:56

figure out like, who's doing what or where can

28:58

they go, who can they play with. And

29:03

so like, not

29:05

everybody's basketball smart. You

29:08

know what I mean? Like, you're just like, man, that's

29:10

my dog. Like you may love a player, right? And

29:15

you may love a player's game, but

29:17

that does not translate to you guys

29:20

are gonna have, you're

29:22

gonna jail, right? I think it's

29:24

different for someone like a KD,

29:26

right? Because

29:29

he is an assassin, he is

29:31

a trained assassin. You

29:34

know what I mean? So his skillset

29:36

and what he does can translate

29:39

to any team, you know what I mean? But I don't

29:41

think that's the case for every superstar.

29:43

You know what I mean? And we seen

29:46

that just now in Phoenix with Bradley Beal,

29:48

right, Phoenix thinking that, oh, let's

29:50

go out and get a big three, they traded Chris Paul,

29:52

they traded Aton, you

29:54

know, they got Bradley Beal and Nerkage. And

29:59

look at their results. You know what I mean? Like

30:02

a lot of times, you know, you got to have

30:04

the right compliment of guys, right?

30:06

And the reason why Miami worked because

30:08

LeBron was the lead, the way it

30:10

was two and Chris Bosch was

30:12

number three, but he held everything down. You know

30:15

what I mean? And

30:18

not every team has that. You know what I mean?

30:21

When we were talking a little bit

30:23

about the movement, I just remember when

30:25

I was first starting at ESPN, you know, I'd take all

30:27

those summer shifts, right? Because nobody wanted to work. So I'd

30:29

take all those summer shifts and then it was oh wait.

30:32

And it just made me think, I was like, oh, that's right. Because

30:34

that's, I'm sure you've been asked about it. But like the

30:37

Elton Brand thing where he's like, you go to the

30:39

Clippers and then all of a sudden like, wait, what's

30:41

going on? Like I don't know if

30:43

that was something that you didn't know, or

30:45

if that's just different than what would happen

30:47

today where there would be no surprises. I

30:50

just think, you know, Elton Brand is a

30:52

sucker to this day. You know what I

30:54

mean? He will always be a sucker to

30:57

me. Just

30:59

as a man, you know, just

31:01

he disappeared. But like in today's

31:04

day, that wouldn't happen. You know what I mean?

31:06

Like it wouldn't have, you know,

31:08

it, like if

31:10

you wanted to, if you, if I wanted to go

31:12

and play in LA with

31:14

Elton Brand and the Clippers and shit, it

31:16

would have been more than, you know, just

31:18

one person. And then, you know, it

31:21

was, and then I wouldn't hide behind

31:23

his agent. At

31:26

the end of the day. But it was like

31:29

these, these guys are getting paid so much money

31:31

that I don't even think it matters. And

31:34

they like, it's real for them.

31:36

You know what I mean? And

31:38

that's it. I mean, I just

31:40

think that, you know, it's funny

31:43

enough, I have a podcast interview

31:45

with Lee Steinberg for my show, Business

31:47

and Side the Game. And

31:51

he was Elton Brand's agent. So you

31:54

know, basketball

31:57

man, you just got to deal with everything,

31:59

you know. to take everything and

32:02

strive, right? But in

32:04

that situation, had

32:06

I known or had we both

32:09

been in this era, it

32:11

would have been a lot smoother. You know what I

32:13

mean? Yeah, I

32:15

would imagine that that would all have been

32:17

a lot more coordinated. You mentioned business side

32:19

of the game. And

32:22

once we got the promo for it and everything and

32:24

like, look, I've been out here a little bit in

32:27

LA and I would hear you come up and be

32:29

like, oh no, Baron Davis is in on this. He's

32:31

doing this. He's doing that. And like, I think there's

32:33

just so many athletes that go, okay, I'm famous. I've

32:36

got to start a production company. And then you'll go

32:38

on the website and like the website still under construction.

32:41

You have been doing the

32:44

real shit here for a

32:46

long time. And I think the fascination

32:48

that I would have is like, when, when

32:50

did you decide how did you make it real?

32:52

How did you work this in a way where

32:54

it feels so much more real and all these

32:57

ventures and what you're trying to do to keep

32:59

people connected? They just

33:01

put in the work, right? It's

33:03

just kind of like you

33:06

step outside of sports, you

33:08

retire, you go into business and

33:11

then you go in similar

33:13

to a rookie, you don't know anybody.

33:16

You're trying to figure out what's your

33:18

routine, who are your teammates, who,

33:21

who are your allies in the community.

33:23

And so I'd say, you know, it

33:25

takes some time. And for me,

33:27

I had a vision that,

33:30

you know, my first four years of retirement was

33:32

going to be like school. I was going to

33:34

be on a listening and learning tour. And,

33:36

you know, a lot of times I was

33:39

just like, seeing and hearing and

33:41

witnessing and being like, damn, dude, I'm at

33:43

this conference. I ain't get shit from

33:45

it. You know what I mean? Like, I got to

33:47

go make something out of this, you know, being here

33:49

at this conference. Right.

33:53

One, because I wasn't sure of

33:55

what I was doing. And two, I didn't, you

33:57

know, it was like a lot of those things

33:59

I didn't. You know, just the other

34:01

listening and I didn't know anyone right and

34:04

I think from that point It was like there

34:07

should be something For

34:09

me like a group of clubs. So

34:11

as you start creating like your Ecosystem

34:14

your community. I realized that that

34:16

was the most important factor that

34:20

Every industry was looking for Was

34:23

a community of people who never like-minded

34:25

that they could relate together Hang

34:28

similar to basketball hang out together talk

34:30

about who's getting traded where if you

34:32

can get traded together and Then

34:35

it makes the deals easy, right? Because

34:38

now you got 14 brains that

34:41

you can source to help you

34:43

make the right decision You know whether

34:45

it's an investment whether it's what you're building

34:47

whether you need to pivot whether you

34:49

need help You know what? I mean? So

34:51

it's for me business inside

34:53

the game is now my opportunity Opportunity

34:56

to take all the things that I've learned

34:58

and be able to articulate that to an

35:00

athlete articulate that to a

35:02

musician a Celebrity and

35:05

like never they don't

35:07

have to leave their space To

35:09

know where their power and their superpower lies

35:11

and also all the connecting

35:13

points to other industries, right? So

35:16

whether it's finance accounting real estate,

35:18

I mean they all exist In

35:21

these industries that we come from is just there's

35:23

no, you know Common

35:25

denominator or common communicator

35:28

tool, right? And

35:30

so people become fragmented, you know what

35:32

I mean based on their industry And

35:35

so what we did was we big was

35:37

like let's create a membership club, right?

35:40

Let's create these conversations and solve problems.

35:42

Let's bring in thought leaders innovators And

35:44

let's start identifying and amplifying the right

35:47

people on our platform You

35:49

know through our media and interviews and you

35:51

know experiential summits

35:54

and Then that

35:56

way the entrepreneur wins the investor wins

35:59

athlete wins the celebrity wins, right?

36:01

Because they're a collective, they're a

36:03

collective ecosystem, right? Helping solve

36:05

a problem. Can you give me an example? Uh,

36:09

so like women in leadership, right? Uh,

36:11

there is, you know, this huge

36:14

thing in women, you know, women in

36:16

sports is growing, you know, women in

36:18

venture is a small number, you know,

36:20

women in tech, it's a small number.

36:22

And so, you know, in order for

36:24

us to really amplify, you know,

36:27

women, right? The goal is to identify

36:29

the right women, put them in the

36:31

right collective group and start championing

36:34

the right message. So they

36:36

go on tour, the WNBA all-star

36:38

weekend will be their summit, right?

36:40

And you're going to have all these

36:42

incredible women, you know, there to give

36:44

the game, right? Successful,

36:47

right? Uh, new and upcoming

36:49

entrepreneurs able to pitch and

36:52

showcase investors there to invest

36:55

in these entrepreneurs and then all in

36:57

all, it's there to celebrate the game

36:59

of basketball because these women are women

37:01

leaders in the world, right? And

37:04

so when you think about tech, music,

37:07

basketball, sports, women in leadership

37:10

for us, um, it's

37:12

really the service to screw of

37:15

individuals and members that want to

37:17

be connected at a WNBA and

37:19

go to the WNBA all-star, but

37:22

also want to sit and have

37:24

dinner, right? And talk about, you

37:26

know, the frustrations of raising money, right?

37:28

But have the right investors there that

37:31

are looking at the frustration of

37:33

finding women entrepreneurs to invest in. Okay.

37:36

So where are the problems? Yeah. You're

37:39

one of my favorite players to watch, man. Like I

37:41

think you were the kind of player that other

37:43

players are like, I can shoot and I do the

37:45

right, but like, I wish I could play

37:48

like Aaron Davis. I wish I could just humiliate other

37:50

people. And when you were angry and you were amped

37:52

up in a game, there'd be times I'm like, I

37:54

don't think anybody's better than this guy, right? And I

37:56

loved it. Just like this aggressive rawness that has Had

38:00

a little like had some flavor on

38:02

it too. I like it just had all the day.

38:04

It was all Yeah,

38:07

great some intelligence some ignorance some you

38:09

know what I mean? Kamikaze

38:12

no fear. It's just an artist. I Look

38:16

at basketball is like, you know, I always look at

38:18

basketball is like I was a painter And

38:22

so this is like my style of painting and

38:24

so if I ever become Not

38:28

original then I'm no good right

38:30

and so, you know

38:32

Can I can I paint in

38:34

the way to my teammates love it the

38:36

opponent spirit, but they love it and then

38:38

people who are watching like? Damn,

38:41

you know that was highly entertaining. You know what

38:43

I mean? Like they were entertained and so that

38:45

was because of my canvas

38:49

so when I'm watching playoff games

38:51

and I see the matchups I'll think like Okay

38:55

Okay, well, what does this team do? Well

38:58

that that may be a problem for this team, you

39:00

know, like here's an example I'd watch

39:02

New Orleans Sacramento. I was like, well if they have

39:04

to play each other It's just there's just too much

39:06

size like all the Sacramento wings Just looks small next

39:08

to all the big wings of New Orleans. Whatever that

39:11

one plays out There's other ones plenty of ones that

39:13

I get wrong What do you see that maybe we

39:15

don't always see when you're trying to see two teams

39:17

go up against each other and you're like Okay Wait,

39:19

this thing is a problem that maybe didn't show up

39:22

in the regular season But in the

39:24

playoffs, are there any of the teams now that you

39:26

watch you're like, hey, this is something they can do

39:28

better than everybody else This is something that makes them

39:30

vulnerable. Oh Yeah, I mean

39:32

just by watching the game Right.

39:35

You learn a lot about watching sometimes

39:39

I would say with a Ignorant

39:42

eye and when I say that like you

39:44

may not be you know, I didn't watch

39:47

Minnesota play this year at all

39:50

until the playoffs, right and So

39:53

watching that series against Phoenix. It was like

39:55

I almost had like this There

39:59

was no preconceived You know what I

40:01

mean? Outside of like the highlights and

40:03

knowing how these guys play. Let's

40:06

see how deep they

40:08

were, right? As

40:10

a unit, right? On the

40:12

wing, at the guards, and then

40:14

you look on the bench and

40:16

it was just like, oh, these

40:18

guys are positioned. They're serious, right?

40:22

And so, um, and

40:24

you look at a team like that and we say

40:27

they, this Denver series

40:30

with Minnesota and

40:32

Denver, it's going to be crazy because

40:35

they are the perfect matchup for

40:38

the Denver, for the Denver, uh, for

40:40

the Denver Nuggets because they can, they

40:43

can play with size. They can

40:45

play, you know, uh, uh, Kyle

40:48

Anderson at point guard. You know

40:51

what I mean? And so there

40:53

is, there's no height advantage

40:56

with Denver. You know what I mean? Um,

41:00

and I just, I just think it's, I think it's going

41:02

to be just a great matchup. I think it's

41:05

going to be a great matchup. And I was, and

41:07

I was so happy

41:09

to see Minnesota play because I was like,

41:11

I didn't know if they were that serious

41:13

or not, but they're a serious team. Yeah,

41:16

that was impressive. Well, I want to

41:18

congratulate you on those stuff with, um,

41:21

with big. And if you want to check it

41:23

out, um, I was

41:26

looking at the event stuff

41:28

here, but it's team big.io

41:30

is the website. They have partnership stuff,

41:33

membership stuff. Plus in our house this

41:35

year, man, this is, you know, it's

41:37

going, it's going well. We got a

41:40

big all star weekend. This is

41:42

San Francisco 2025 gets in tickets now.

41:44

Um, this is going to

41:48

be cool. Like we have some good stuff to

41:50

find it. And then, uh, you

41:52

got the Martha's Vineyard film festival in August. That's

41:54

where I'm from. So are you from the high

41:56

school? There.

41:59

Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. That's nice. Nice

42:01

one. It is. It's a nice place. Small.

42:03

It is a nice place. How

42:07

did you travel to away games?

42:11

So when we played in Nantucket, the

42:13

whole high school basketball team would load

42:15

onto a little prop plane. Two planes.

42:18

Varsity JV. There wasn't

42:21

a first plane, second plane for the more

42:23

established guys like in the NBA. First and

42:25

second bus. And then I remember,

42:27

like it was so new to me because I transferred in

42:29

and then we got to Nantucket and the guys were like,

42:32

hey, we really hate each other. And I was like,

42:34

whatever. Like it's two islands. And then, yeah,

42:38

they really hate each other. And there was a

42:40

cop waving our team bus in through traffic and

42:42

the cop gave us the fingers. Which

42:46

I thought was great because he did it in a very Massachusetts

42:48

way. And

42:51

then in football, they would just shut down. So

42:54

they would ferry over everyone in

42:56

the community in the winter. You know, they'd

42:58

run multiple boats. They'd be played away. But

43:00

then when we played teams on the Cape, we'd have

43:02

to get out of high school. It was great being

43:04

on any teams. Like I ran track one year just

43:06

to get out of school early because our meets, yeah,

43:09

our games and meets would have to be so early

43:11

so that we could catch the last boat back. So,

43:15

yeah, not quite like LA high school

43:17

basketball. Yeah, boat hopping. You know what

43:19

I mean? It's just like LA traffic

43:21

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43:24

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44:46

We have the Alliance NBA playoff edition

44:49

here. We are mixing it up a

44:51

bit. We got two selections from who

44:54

we got. So Rudy with two selections today. Yeah.

44:56

Kyle threw a jab in the group chat

44:58

last night. Like, well, three soft gambling last

45:00

year. So let's have him pick two. I

45:02

was like, all right, dude, fine. I'll

45:05

do it. I'll hit them both. What's up? Your

45:08

demeanor about that last year was just so great. You're like,

45:10

I don't really see what the big deal is. I figured

45:12

it out. I just sat down for like 10 minutes and

45:14

like, tell me, tell me I'm wrong. They

45:16

kind of nerfed it. I don't even want to get into it

45:18

because then everyone's going to be like, go through. He's an idiot.

45:20

They kind of nerfed it. I did find a little loophole. It

45:22

doesn't, you know, I'm not going to hit a hundred percent of

45:24

my bets, but you know, I thought I was, I was doing

45:26

good and they screwed me. Well, now

45:29

you can't, I was doing like all parlay, all total. You

45:31

can't even parlay that now. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Maybe

45:33

he did solve it. And then it was on the year, right?

45:36

They called up Vegas and like, Hey, we got a conspiracy.

45:38

Got to nerf this guy. Yeah. Any

45:41

guys, guys firing $20

45:43

bets down, paying out two to one

45:45

on Arsenal props. This

45:49

fucking guy off. All right.

45:52

Uh, let's see. It's

45:54

just the way it was delivered last year. It

45:56

was, it was incredible. I Almost like to hear

45:59

that segment again. Where. Should have

46:01

a great Greatest Hits episode. The Summer. We.

46:04

Just play certain lines from. If I

46:06

think it would just be Kyle for

46:08

like ninety five percent of it which

46:10

I'm from. great I am. I would

46:12

listen, I'd So we've got sixers at

46:14

the next game. Five Knicks favor by

46:16

four and a half the total on

46:18

this one is tool for. Ah,

46:20

take the board sorority. Right. I

46:22

am going to go. With.

46:25

And beat other was report this more than be

46:27

to get a migraine and massoud around the now

46:29

I don't know I'm singing has evans everywhere but

46:31

I'm going to take him to have for more

46:33

assists. I think he did have a big a

46:35

no matter what but I think this totals is

46:37

kind of too low. And ah yes the bike

46:39

as an early saw go for points assists and

46:41

then I'll also go josh hard to record eight

46:43

or more rebound them he had seventy last game.

46:45

He's a monster. And he. Added.

46:48

He gets a. Okay, I liked it

46:50

or they can be. To be better prepared for

46:52

some of those late doubles if it's a close

46:54

game. A. Maxi hits those open

46:56

looks off the double. I like we

46:58

had that surgical. Ah, I've gotten

47:00

to a bit of a rat with the

47:02

rebound a guru part of my life so

47:04

I'm staying away from that would just can.

47:06

A simple oh gee and an Ob fifteen

47:09

or more points a big is very doable.

47:11

The be a be big headache/migraine really really

47:13

well or at myself when I saw that.

47:15

Really hope he's ok. But yeah Oj, fifteen

47:17

or more. Points. What dueling theories

47:19

within? The. Alliance itself.

47:22

Expect that today as would commit some the pats

47:24

oh gee to score twenty five or more as

47:27

plus eleven hundred. Somebody should

47:29

be. Higher paths. But.

47:32

I'm I'm not going to go to have a list of all those

47:34

are going to go Diva Chance of. getting back

47:36

to back threes. Felt. Like something went

47:38

off with him were was like okay. I.

47:41

Need to start dialing up here. I know we had a. A

47:44

good game overall. The Selleck he went

47:46

off and game to. So.

47:48

Ominous Say. Divisions.

47:51

Of gets his three or more

47:53

freeze tonight. So what is that?

47:55

Passers. At. Four four hundred run

47:58

the money. That's. Where we want to be, want

48:00

to be in that 400 range, although maybe we just go for

48:02

it one time where what we're saying,

48:04

Kyle, the prop on total

48:07

is odd or even the first basket ones.

48:09

I don't even know what to do with

48:11

those because you're just like, all

48:13

right, first basket is in the mix baked in. Oh,

48:16

this is over like two

48:18

seconds in people.

48:20

What about the rest of the game? I mean,

48:24

the first basket and odds, odds, it even blows

48:26

my mind because it's like, oh, we should do

48:28

both of those points. That would be great.

48:30

And then, and then final score, even imagine

48:35

I just, I'm like, imagine you're a guy and you

48:37

bet the total score odd or even,

48:39

and you're just watching the entire game to

48:42

know if it's that's, that's the, like, you just play roulette.

48:44

Like, what do we, what do we do? Right.

48:46

And are you talking to your roommates going like,

48:49

I got to feel, I just, it feels

48:51

like a one Oh four, one or two ending. I

48:53

would love the guy

48:59

would win and be like, yeah, I kind of had

49:01

this, I kind of had this read on it today.

49:03

Just a lot of clarity. Sorry, if he's listening, I

49:06

guess we'll finish. Okay. So that's the

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is everyone? Doing great. Yeah.

50:53

Doing great. Great spirit. Okay. Well,

50:56

let's get to the emails. All

50:58

right. My friend plays too much flag football.

51:01

Hey, Ryan. With Kyle mentioning flag football on

51:04

the last two pods, it made me think

51:06

about my buddy Ned. I

51:08

hope that's not a real name, but I don't want

51:10

to see where this goes. And it's not the biggest

51:12

problem in the world. It's not like he's drinking too

51:14

much or he's stealing from his friends. He just played

51:16

too much flag football. My friend

51:18

Ned S. is hooked on heroin, and

51:20

I don't know. We live. No.

51:24

All right. Maybe think about

51:26

my buddy Ned and his now addiction with flag

51:28

football. For background, Ned and I went to a

51:30

small D3 school for college where we both played

51:32

wide receiver and loved our

51:34

experience. We went 35 and

51:37

five over our time in college, won

51:39

the conference three times and drank beer

51:41

to celebrate each win. Since

51:43

graduating, yeah, I can write. I

51:47

actually love it. So I don't know if

51:49

he's being sarcastic or not. No. Well,

51:52

this guy's definitely your friends are going to know or maybe none

51:54

of them actually listen to the pod. Who

51:57

knows? Since graduating, Ned and I both moved to Chicago where I got

51:59

a full. time job and Ned continued

52:01

his education. He even names

52:03

the school here. So I don't know. Ned

52:06

is a great guy, but as I stated

52:08

previously, he is addicted to flag football. He

52:10

plays in three flag leagues and even travels

52:12

back home to New York City to compete

52:14

in the Scamooge, another

52:17

flag league, don't know that one,

52:20

with some of our college teammates. Every week

52:22

I get the same text quote, you should

52:24

come to X location. There's a flag league

52:26

we would dominate in. I

52:31

love that text. I also get added

52:33

to a group chat with some of his flag buddies

52:35

and all they do all day while

52:37

I'm at work is talk about flag football

52:39

schemes, both offense and defense. I'm no Sean

52:41

McVeigh, but it's five on five football. You

52:43

don't need a playbook the size of an

52:45

encyclopedia. I don't know how else to say,

52:47

so I'm just going to come out and

52:49

say it. In college,

52:51

Ned never played. Twist.

52:56

Oh, no. Not saying I

52:58

was an all American or even a starter, but I

53:01

knew my skill level and knew when to give up.

53:03

Last time I talked with Ned, he was talking about

53:05

sending film to teams over in Europe and seeing if

53:07

you can play in a German Italian football league. How

53:10

do I talk some sense into my friend and get him to grow

53:12

up and focus on his future? Why

53:14

do you care? Okay.

53:17

Good point. Yeah. Who cares if he never played? I

53:20

mean, I never played at the college level. I'll still

53:22

get in on a flag football thing. Like that's not

53:24

the. Yeah. Barrier

53:26

of entry is like, how much did

53:29

you play on your D3 football team? But

53:31

it's never pissed you guys off of somebody. If like you have

53:33

a buddy that's like way too into something. You're

53:35

like, all right, man. You know, Brian like pissed you

53:37

off when Danny tried to be a day trader for like

53:39

a couple of weeks. I

53:42

don't know. Like, I think that's a normal dude thing. It's like, all right,

53:44

man, we get it. Like, you know, you hit the

53:46

gym, like, come on, like jail on this last.

53:48

I mean, clearly this guy's more dedicated to it because you're that

53:50

annoyed about it. I just, I don't think it's like weird for

53:52

him to be annoyed about it, but yeah, like if he keeps

53:54

doing it. Like you don't have to

53:56

like check him on his life. This is like

53:58

hater energy though. Like that. You're definitely like, there's

54:00

definitely some hate in this dude's body, but I'd

54:02

say why can't you just look at it as

54:05

like, listen, this guy's like, you know, he's

54:07

not, he's not falling off the exercise thing. He's

54:09

found this thing. He's passionate about it. And

54:12

maybe one day I really want to play flag

54:14

football and that's my guy. I have

54:16

a guy I can go to as we discussed like

54:18

last week or whatever, you know, these things

54:20

aren't like, it's not like finding a pickup basketball game.

54:22

These things are, you know, fewer and

54:24

farther between. So like, if you actually do

54:26

get a hankering for, you know, the old,

54:28

throwing the old pig skin around again, then

54:31

you know exactly where to go. And this guy's, you know, he'll

54:33

be happy to bring you in the fold. And other than that,

54:35

I don't see how this affects you. Okay.

54:37

And aside, do you remember me

54:40

being mad about Danny J trading? Because I did

54:42

it for a bunch of years. No,

54:44

it was bad. Maybe that was a bad analogy.

54:47

But you, I remember you making fun of him about it.

54:50

And cause Danny, you know, Danny likes to

54:52

fancy himself that sometimes. I

54:54

don't know. I remember you making fun of him, but that's

54:56

a totally normal dude activity. I don't think it was like

54:59

harmful or whatever. It's just that's what guys do. 100%

55:02

chance I was making fun of him. That's the

55:04

three of bonds. But I don't

55:06

think I would have felt like

55:08

it was bad because. Yeah,

55:11

you weren't trying to hide his life out. Yeah. I,

55:14

I try to not be a hypocrite

55:16

with that kind of stuff. And I know

55:18

for a fact, like there were times when

55:20

I was day trading when Scott, because I

55:22

would get bored sometimes in the

55:24

show with Scott, cause I was always used to driving.

55:27

And then when I wouldn't drive, like

55:29

I would just, especially in the beginning of the show

55:31

where I'd always, you know, meaning hosting. So you come

55:34

in and out of the breaks, you tee up every

55:36

guest, you kind of drive the conversation, the whole thing.

55:38

So in the beginning with Scott, I had a hard

55:40

time with it. Cause I was like, Oh, I just sit

55:42

here now. Like this is weird. And

55:44

then I'd be trading. And

55:46

then I remember I,

55:49

I asked the same question he asked to the guests and

55:51

did it like twice and then I let it listen.

55:53

Did we already tell the story on the pause? A

55:57

while ago. It's a bad example. What if hypothetically,

55:59

what if. Kyle and I just got really

56:01

into pickleball and every time we hopped into

56:03

the Zoom, Riverside River, we just started talking

56:05

about risk techniques and equipment. You'd be annoyed.

56:08

You would be like, guys, every day

56:10

for weeks. I see

56:12

the football schemes, how that could maybe... Maybe

56:15

that's the one thing where you're like, you're monopolizing

56:17

our hangout time, but other than that, I wouldn't

56:19

be worried what this guy does on his own

56:21

time. If the show text

56:23

thread was constantly about pickleball, I would not

56:25

like it. Right. Same.

56:29

Yeah. But

56:31

I do know that as I've gotten older, I

56:35

don't want to concern myself with

56:37

what other people like if it's not hurting anybody.

56:40

I think it's more important that people

56:42

have things that they enjoy. There's a

56:44

lot of people walking around that don't have anything

56:47

that they actually enjoy. So I'm

56:49

in a place where I'm like, cool. I

56:51

think that's great. I think it's

56:53

weird. I think it's great that you like it. Whatever

56:56

that thing is that you like. If a guy wants to go

56:58

to 20 fish shows a year, just let him do it. That's

57:01

how it's answered. To all these things

57:03

are jokes. They're not like sit downs.

57:05

The answer isn't like, hey, we're really

57:07

concerned that you're stunted, growing.

57:11

You stunted your brain growth by being here

57:13

and doing this stuff. We're really concerned. The

57:15

way that you solve this is just jokes,

57:17

that sting a little bit. Jokes

57:19

that sting. Jokes that sting. Then you can

57:21

back off. You monitor the situation like, all right, that one

57:23

went too far. We found the line. I think that's perfect.

57:27

I don't know

57:29

what it is. I think it might have been a South Shore

57:31

thing where South Shore of

57:33

Austin, those guys, maybe in high

57:36

school, their first experience

57:38

drinking beers in a field, somebody would throw

57:40

Billy Joel on. So there

57:42

was a bunch of people my age when

57:45

I was in my 20s that loved Billy Joel.

57:49

I did not love Billy Joel. There's

57:51

never been a Billy Joel moment in my

57:53

life. I appreciate it. There's a

57:55

bunch of artists. I'm petting of them.

57:58

You didn't like Tom Petty? I

58:01

get it. I get why people like it. The

58:03

Springsteen thing, I saw them once at an event

58:05

that we were there for the final four, the

58:07

energy, the passion, the songwriting, all of it. If

58:09

somebody's like, hey, I love Bruce Springsteen, I

58:12

don't tell them no. I don't tell them that

58:14

they're wrong. But in my 20s, when the Billy

58:16

Joel thing happened, I was like, do you bring

58:18

your dad again? You know, so like I

58:20

would have made fun of it in my 20s, and

58:22

now if somebody's like, I go see Billy Joel six

58:24

times a year, if that's even possible,

58:26

I'd be like, I think that's great. I

58:29

think that's great for you, that you went to go see something

58:31

that you care about and you, you feel

58:33

some sort of joy from. So as

58:35

we circle it back, or

58:38

maybe we call it a hook route here, just

58:42

let this guy like it. And you

58:44

did bring up something that I thought was interesting in

58:46

that he didn't play. It actually

58:48

makes sense that he's this into

58:50

it now. Right. Okay, finish business.

58:52

Because he didn't play. I treated

58:54

every pickup game from my mid

58:56

20s and early 30s, like some

58:59

referendum on payback of never

59:01

having things work out for me

59:03

in my very limited basketball thing. So

59:05

I took it way too fucking

59:07

seriously. I'd be super into it. I'd

59:10

be looking at shoes, which is what guys can shop

59:13

for shoes and never want to play basketball. But I

59:15

was really, really into it, but not to the

59:18

point where I was going to send film to

59:20

anybody. I mean,

59:22

that'd be a massive waste of postage. So

59:25

the point with this is, yeah, he's going to

59:27

the extreme. But he's fulfilling this

59:29

void in his life, because he cared

59:31

enough about college football to

59:33

play for a D3 team that he never

59:36

actually played for. You played,

59:38

from what it sounds like, you said you

59:40

weren't even a starter, but you played. So

59:42

I know the guys that played, kind of

59:44

make fun of the guys that didn't play

59:46

and the whole thing. But everybody after their

59:48

playing career, they either have

59:51

satiated that hunger, or

59:54

the hunger grows even deeper.

59:58

And he's in that phase right now. Probably doesn't

1:00:00

have a family, right? You know, so I would

1:00:03

just let them get out

1:00:05

there on those go routes. Let them just continue to

1:00:07

run the go route of life. I

1:00:09

think these are, and these are free. Talk

1:00:13

about T-shirts. Um, I

1:00:16

think that this is also, these are

1:00:18

recent college grads. So this is minus 1000 that

1:00:20

this ramps down fairly, fairly soon.

1:00:22

And then it's not even on the board.

1:00:24

Yeah. This is, I

1:00:29

just, I don't know

1:00:31

why you like your, the emailer is

1:00:33

not wrong about anything. I would

1:00:35

just say, let it, let

1:00:37

it go, man. Let it

1:00:40

ride out. And yeah, you probably should make fun of

1:00:42

them. Be like, Hey, did you hear back from the

1:00:44

Italian gladiators yet? Heard

1:00:46

Franklin was thinking about sponsoring them. Like I had

1:00:48

a buddy, I had a buddy that played soccer.

1:00:50

I think in Switzerland, you know,

1:00:53

he's a good player played in college. Went

1:00:56

there and you know,

1:00:58

I think he got hurt. And then he was like,

1:01:00

I'm going to go to Sweden now or something like

1:01:02

that. I was just like, what are you doing? But

1:01:04

then I realized like, that's awesome. That's like

1:01:06

my dream. Yeah, right. Like he, he

1:01:09

did it for a little bit and it wasn't going

1:01:11

to work out. It wasn't going to go anywhere. He

1:01:13

was maybe delaying the real stuff. I,

1:01:15

this guy has a job at least, right? He's not like

1:01:17

signing up for stuff. Like there was always just kind of

1:01:19

funny when you play pickup basketball or something, the guy would

1:01:22

be really good. He'd be like, I don't know what to

1:01:24

do. Like, I played some semi-pro like we're down the street.

1:01:27

Like what are you talking about? Played

1:01:29

some semi-pro. Uh, then

1:01:32

I had a buddy who played hockey at UVM, Jason

1:01:35

Hamilton, stud, great

1:01:37

guy, all time great guy. I

1:01:40

remember we were bartending together. He was done. And

1:01:43

I was like, are you going to like, you

1:01:45

can play in the minors. And he's like, dude, as

1:01:48

soon as I'm done skating off the rink, I'm throwing

1:01:51

all of my stuff away. And

1:01:53

he's like, that's it. I've been doing this since I

1:01:55

could, before I could talk, I'm

1:01:57

done. And just people

1:01:59

different. I've heard about it. Yeah, I will

1:02:01

say, you know, I have

1:02:03

a couple of buddies who played soccer

1:02:05

in college. And

1:02:08

like to tell them how into the sport I am

1:02:10

now and how not into the sport they are as

1:02:12

like having played it, it does feel a little bit

1:02:14

weird. I'm like, am I doing this right right now?

1:02:17

Like, should I like, these guys like actually played at

1:02:19

a high level. And I'm over here like, you know,

1:02:21

grinded tape watching all these games. They're like, yeah, I

1:02:23

don't really know what happened last week. I don't follow

1:02:25

it anymore. Like, man, really just put me in my

1:02:28

place there. I

1:02:30

don't blame the person who played for thinking,

1:02:32

I know I was

1:02:34

a loser about the basketball thing. I

1:02:36

know, I don't, but I don't care. Because in the

1:02:38

moment I was like, this is I care about this

1:02:41

more than anything. Can I ask

1:02:43

you an unrelated question? What

1:02:45

is, what is the name Ned short

1:02:47

for? That's not

1:02:49

just Ned, right? Is that

1:02:52

Edward? That's

1:02:54

like, yeah, incredible, incredible question. I've just never thought

1:02:56

about it. Because a young guy named Ned, you

1:02:58

just don't hear a lot of those. And it

1:03:00

could be made up, who knows? Oh,

1:03:04

it is Edward. Jack is short for all sorts

1:03:06

of stuff, right? That you wouldn't expect. Jack?

1:03:09

Jack? Yeah, where the fuck did Dick come from?

1:03:12

Sorry. Dick's Richard. Richard, right?

1:03:14

Yeah, which again, I don't get it. But why? But

1:03:17

why? Yeah, I told I'm with you. I

1:03:19

don't get it. Like, why would that be a thing? But it

1:03:21

is. Yeah, I remember somebody

1:03:23

was like, is Jim Jimothy? Yeah,

1:03:27

Edward, Edmund, Edgar. Not

1:03:31

a lot of Edger's around. Or if I was

1:03:33

Edgar, I'd probably go Ned or Ed. There

1:03:36

is no Ed. Ned is kind of a cool name. Let's

1:03:38

bring it back. I'm sure the Ned Flanders

1:03:41

peak stuff wasn't great for some of the Ned's out there.

1:03:43

Yeah, but Ned Stark brought it back. Oh,

1:03:46

yeah, you just wait long enough. Good recovery.

1:03:49

Okay. Let's find another

1:03:51

email. I was looking up

1:03:53

Ned. So I lost. Famous

1:03:57

Ned? Famous Ned. Okay,

1:04:00

is it time to give up the home gym? Let's stay

1:04:02

on this. Guys kind of weaving

1:04:05

in and out of the

1:04:07

physical challenges of life. 511-185, no

1:04:10

impressive bench or squat stuff.

1:04:12

And that's the issue. I'm

1:04:14

emailing you at 5am from my garage, all

1:04:16

of which has been converted to a gym

1:04:18

over the past three years. As far as

1:04:20

home gyms go, it's pretty nice treadmill, peloton,

1:04:22

power rack with bench, dedicated stretching area, an

1:04:25

80-pound heavy bag. This

1:04:27

is unbelievable. Is there

1:04:30

any kind of

1:04:32

membership fee? Do I have to pay a fee every

1:04:34

month? It's

1:04:36

not extravagant, but nice enough to be a common

1:04:39

topic of conversation when exchanging pleasantries with neighbors in

1:04:41

the yard when the garage door is open. So

1:04:43

here's the issue. My physique does not match the

1:04:45

niceness of my gym. I'm not obese, but

1:04:48

I'm kind of chunky and without much muscle

1:04:50

mass. The disparity between my gym and my

1:04:52

body is never more evident than when passersby

1:04:55

look confused as they try to understand

1:04:57

why the skinny fat seem to be 40-year-old

1:04:59

who's clearly winded for five minutes of

1:05:01

rudimentary gardening has a hext deadlift bar hanging

1:05:03

from the frame of a power rack

1:05:05

in his garage. So how did

1:05:07

this current state of affairs come to be? Three

1:05:09

years ago, the home gym was pitched to my

1:05:11

wife as a time and money

1:05:14

saver compared to an external gym. However, the

1:05:16

assumption of how much time and energy I

1:05:18

would have to work out during a given

1:05:20

week was laughably inaccurate. I'm at a startup.

1:05:22

My wife also works pretty aggressive hours. Number

1:05:24

of kids is now at two with no

1:05:27

family around to help. We tag team the

1:05:29

childcare duties. I really can't sleep less than

1:05:31

six hours per night and be functional. So

1:05:33

spare time and extra energy are at all

1:05:35

time lows. So is it time to

1:05:37

sell this stuff and use the space for

1:05:40

something more useful that won't leave my neighbor

1:05:42

so confused like parking cars? Or

1:05:45

do I keep everything from when I have time and energy

1:05:47

to use all this stuff regularly in

1:05:49

like three and a half years when both kids

1:05:51

are in school and don't think I'm cool enough

1:05:53

to play with anymore? I'm leaning on keeping the

1:05:55

dream alive. I mean, I might only need one

1:05:57

more piece of equipment for that six pack. Honestly,

1:06:00

you could tell me to suck it off and find

1:06:02

the time now and I keep the stuff, which might

1:06:04

be the right answer, but it's not practical one, at

1:06:06

least not now. If you don't need

1:06:08

the money, you don't need the space, why get rid of it?

1:06:11

I would hold on to it and keep it. Because if

1:06:13

you sell it, then it's never going to happen. You're

1:06:15

done, right? Maybe you'll

1:06:17

go to a gym someday, but you're never going to rebuild

1:06:19

the gym. So that ship's going to sell if you

1:06:22

sell it. Yeah. And

1:06:24

maybe the startup isn't a startup and the kids

1:06:26

are in school. So maybe you double your amount

1:06:28

of time and you're like, all right, this is

1:06:30

actually not crazy. Or you're just lying to

1:06:32

yourself and you do all the time. Either way, keeping the gym, I think

1:06:34

is the move. And

1:06:36

the neighbors, you're being self-conscious about the neighbors. Like, yeah, why

1:06:39

does that guy have a pull-up bar? I mean, look at

1:06:41

him. Look at him. He can't even get

1:06:43

up. He's fucking kneeling on the ground trying to pull out

1:06:45

weeds. He looks like he's really struggling. No one's thinking that,

1:06:47

probably. Almost. We're just keeping it

1:06:49

half open so you don't feel it. So people aren't watching you,

1:06:51

but you just look at the airflow. Right. You

1:06:53

just duck under the door. Yeah, you keep it close too,

1:06:56

but you're never working out there in the first place. So

1:06:58

it's not like you're hiding anything that you're doing. Who knows

1:07:00

what they're saying about you? Be like, you know, that guy

1:07:02

doesn't look like much. Right? Good

1:07:05

for him, man. He's getting after it. Or

1:07:07

they're like, that guy might be like a

1:07:09

pocket badass. I know he's a little thick,

1:07:11

but see that hex bar? Probably

1:07:14

doing trap stuff. I

1:07:16

love the home gym. As somebody who

1:07:18

went way too overboard during COVID and

1:07:21

bought everything and would

1:07:23

be like, oh wait, these are available now? Done.

1:07:26

And then you get them, you're like, I don't know that I'm really going

1:07:28

to use this. I

1:07:30

have a few pieces, but I'll tell you what

1:07:32

you're not going to love is getting out into

1:07:34

that secondary market of trying to sell your stuff

1:07:36

to strangers. Well,

1:07:38

I would think the marketplace has kind of made that

1:07:40

easy. I'm not a... I

1:07:43

don't know. I think I kind of disagree. All

1:07:47

right. eBay too. It's fine. Whatever

1:07:49

you want to do. I didn't go out of the house. Whenever I have something

1:07:52

in my house that I don't want, I just put it on Facebook market like that. I

1:07:54

don't want to move. That's big. I

1:07:57

put it on there. Someone come take it. Not

1:08:00

like I wouldn't say heavy, but we had like this extra

1:08:02

mattress and you know You could pay to like bring it

1:08:04

to the dump which was this whole thing or you can

1:08:06

just and it wasn't even that nice Or you just put

1:08:08

it on Facebook marketplace to say free and someone just comes

1:08:10

and takes it for free No,

1:08:12

there you go. Well, I don't want to give my

1:08:14

stuff away, but I am just any yeah, right so

1:08:17

I Got

1:08:20

a question about my Facebook marketplace app. It's and

1:08:22

I answered it. I'm not saying yeah, you know,

1:08:24

you're right way for free Yeah, yeah But

1:08:27

I had you know, I basically listed

1:08:29

everything it's all in good condition some of the stuffs

1:08:31

barely used and then I went to list

1:08:34

it and somebody was like how's that

1:08:36

going they asked me what I did and She

1:08:40

was like, are you trying to be murdered? It's

1:08:42

like I don't think so. It's like I'm just trying

1:08:44

to get a decent Decent

1:08:46

price on some equipment, but you know, it just turns

1:08:48

into a free-for-all like you listen. I listed this bench

1:08:51

That's really nice. I think was 700 brand new and

1:08:53

I listed it for 250 and a guy was like we just take

1:08:55

250 I'm like, well you're fucking

1:08:57

we're done. We're done. You and I are done.

1:08:59

There's no there's no bartering I

1:09:02

don't want you showing up to my house. I won't talk to

1:09:04

you I don't want to email you anymore Like we're just you

1:09:06

and I bring it somewhere for someone that they've got to

1:09:08

come get it from you which also yeah again That's what

1:09:10

I do. You leave it outside. Don't even talk to anybody

1:09:13

So the reason we're even telling any of this stuff is because

1:09:15

do you really want it to our email or you want to

1:09:18

enter? That world when I enter that world

1:09:20

like what's up with those bumper plates? Oh, there's a

1:09:22

mark there, you know, so I Would

1:09:25

say keep it especially it's really pointed out

1:09:27

if the car Thing isn't

1:09:30

a situation if your wife isn't like hey Can

1:09:32

we put the car inside of the garage if

1:09:34

parking is not a challenge every single night? So

1:09:36

like when I had a full garage build out

1:09:38

there for a little while Parking

1:09:40

was actually not an issue because it was just my car

1:09:43

Probably why I didn't get married during kovat because I was

1:09:45

like, you know what if I get married, you know I'm

1:09:48

she's gonna want to put her car in there and I

1:09:50

was like I'm getting pretty good with some of these squats

1:09:52

at the kabuki bar I

1:09:54

can't I can't get married now. I can't

1:09:56

get mad, you know, so that when I'm

1:09:58

doing momentum, right But then when I moved,

1:10:00

I was like, all right, what do I do with this entire

1:10:03

squat rack thing? I was like, I do love it. And I

1:10:05

do love doing some of the stuff on it. So I was

1:10:07

like, I'm just going to keep it and have it in the

1:10:09

garage. It's not super ideal right now. It's not pitched well either.

1:10:12

So who knows what sort of habits I'm getting

1:10:14

myself into. But I

1:10:16

think there's still hope for you. I still think there's

1:10:18

hope for you. And you wanted to do what to

1:10:20

save money, but it sounds like how

1:10:22

expensive would it be to look

1:10:24

up some trainer to come to your house and

1:10:27

do a workout with maybe if it's not even

1:10:29

you do it for your wife. I mean, if

1:10:31

she's still motivated to want to keep it around,

1:10:33

doesn't care about the parking part of it, I

1:10:36

still think there's hope for this gym and all

1:10:38

of its accessories. It sounds like it's an incredible

1:10:40

setup. You put the time in, man. Like

1:10:43

you can't get in there for 30. I don't know

1:10:45

the two kids thing and the startup. I get it.

1:10:48

I'm not going to pretend. Yeah, but he can see the finish line

1:10:50

of like when all that shit starts to lighten up. Right? That's

1:10:53

like, I mean, I don't know who knows how long you're a

1:10:55

startup for, but like the kids definitely grow at a normal pace.

1:10:57

Right? Like they're gone for six, eight

1:10:59

hours of the day. Like that, that should give you time.

1:11:01

It sounds like he works from home. Who

1:11:04

knows? Maybe you open up to the

1:11:06

neighborhood. If that's your only concern, you

1:11:08

know, make up some t-shirts. Start taking

1:11:10

dues. Raise powerhouse. They're

1:11:13

handing them out. You

1:11:16

know, a great name for a bar. Yeah. There

1:11:18

you go. But maybe you put it

1:11:20

in, although that's probably pretty dangerous liability issues. I

1:11:23

say key. I knew I was going to say keep it,

1:11:26

but I hold out hope. Like

1:11:28

I have some surfboards or I was like, you're not getting rid

1:11:30

of this. There's a phase where you're

1:11:32

going to be back in that phase may never

1:11:34

happen, but at least I'm equipped for it. If

1:11:36

it were to happen, that's how

1:11:38

I look at stuff. Unless

1:11:40

I was married to somebody who's like, you need to get the shit out of

1:11:42

here, but

1:11:45

you don't seem to have that problem. So

1:11:47

sounds like you're winning guy. Yeah. I

1:11:51

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1:11:53

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