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Welcome to the Shadow and the Light

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podcast with internationally renowned

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meditation teacher , David G and

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heart healer and psychotherapist

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Elizabeth Winkler , as we guide

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you through our unique fusion of ancient

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wisdom and modern psychology

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Get ready to awaken your true

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essence , heal your wounds

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and transform your shadow into

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a

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high-diverging

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, and

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that is truly self-actualization

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.

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But let's re-look back to that second

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level of needs , because so many

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of our listeners and viewers so many

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of you resonated with this reached

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out to us and inquired to

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talk about more aspects of

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safety . When we're talking about

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safety , the beauty of looking

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at this level of needs is

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that we can understand why

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perhaps we're not thriving in a particular

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area , why perhaps we're making

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decisions out of fear or desperation , and

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once you know that , then you can

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make a more conscious choice . This whole journey

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that we're on is about more conscious

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choice making . That's it . It doesn't

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get more complicated than that . If we can

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make more conscious choices , fewer choices

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out of fear and or desperation

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, higher likelihood that

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our lives are going to move just a little bit

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more in the direction that reinforces

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and nourishes and nurtures our

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dreams and desires . Oh

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, so interesting because right after that

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last episode aired , summer

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received so many inquiries and so

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many comments about this whole

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level of . What about other areas

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of our lives , of safety , such

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as our physical needs ? We just went

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through three years of pandemic where we

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were truly fearing for our

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physical lives . The second we

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stepped outside , whether you were into masks

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or not , or into vaccines or not . Bottom

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line no one stepped out into

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the supermarket , even with bravado

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. No one went to the movies . The

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movies were closed , everything was shut down

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because of that basic collective

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fear in the realm

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of health , which is pure

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safety and security . So , whether

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it's physiological or physical

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needs , whether it's

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emotional safety that

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we are seeking from a partner

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or a child , or a parent or a sibling

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or just someone any type of

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loved one in our life , these

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are the types of things that suddenly we

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realize if I'm unsafe

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here , I'm not gonna make better

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choices . Remember when Elizabeth

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was talking about this car seat meditations

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back in the day , again

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conscious choice making

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. Had she not felt

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that her kids and her were safe in her

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car , she couldn't even have gotten

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to that state of deeper

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. Still , a little further along that spectrum

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of the five realms , is safety

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in the material world . Do

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you feel like you can park your car

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without it getting broken into ? Do you

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feel that perhaps there might be some

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money for you in the future if there is that

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rainy day or if you should need to access

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it ? Whether that's a nest egg or a retirement fund

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or just a week that was very challenging

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financially . There could be a medical

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emergency or there could be some other

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life crisis and we'd need to

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access it . Do you feel safe

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that , if something goes wrong , you

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could at least get by for a week , or

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are you living with a

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poverty consciousness ? Then

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, of course , that safety in relationships and

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safety in the spiritual realm

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. Do I feel that I'm alone out there

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, just spinning by myself

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, or do I feel supported by at least my

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higher power or my highest

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expression of myself

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? So , elizabeth , maybe you could speak

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more deeply to this concept

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of safety in these other realms of

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our life .

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Elizabeth . Well , there's something interesting about finance

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that I learned when I was studying

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psychology in my master's program

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that and see

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if this fits for you as a listener there's

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some research that the way that people

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are with finance is related

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to how they are emotionally . So

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someone who they hold on

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to their money they're also can

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hold on to their emotions . They're

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very , you could say cheap or something

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they don't share , or someone who's really generous

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shares their emotions .

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It's poverty consciousness versus abundance

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mindset .

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Right . So it's an interesting thing just to

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look at within yourself if there's a correlation

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to that within you .

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And we know that expression how you do one thing is how you do

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most things . And of course this would suddenly stretch

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out in so many areas of our life

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. And this doesn't mean it's easy for you to say you're

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sitting on a pile of money so you can be very generous

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and say , sure , take a ride in my Lambo

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. But we're not talking about that . We're

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talking about a relationship

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that you have with the

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essence of life .

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Yes .

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Again , you and I talk about this concept of dynamic

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exchange . In talking and listening are

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the same things . Are you generous

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with the time that you have ? If someone's

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speaking , do you cut them off a lot , or

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do you allow their thought to take its

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time to land on you ? So , before you

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know the answer , I know what you're going to say

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already , so I finished your sentence . We've

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all heard people say that to us . I know you

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better than you know yourself . I can finish all

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your sentences for me , and the answer is please

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don't do that .

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Well , that's someone having a conversation with themselves

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and they're existing

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in a label of the other person , which I'm

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glad you're bringing that up . We're all doing that a lot

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in our lives , especially with the people we interact

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with the most . We conceptualize

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our partner , our children , our parent

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, whoever you hang out with , the most you

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conceptualize them . They're this kind of person

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or whatever . It's actually the way the brain

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fills in things in your house

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. Your brain has been in this room

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so many times so it just fills

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it in , and have you ever had that moment ? I

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? got it , I love this when you

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look at something you're like wait , is that a snake ? And it's

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a snake . And then you look and

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hold the snake in the rope Story . Do

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you want to tell that story ?

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real quick . So if we go back to the , let's say

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, the 700s , sometime late 700s

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, adi Shankara , the boy of this age so

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we're talking about 1400 years ago and

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one of the great parables in the

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book the Crest Jewel of Discrimination is

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this man is walking down

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this path and the sun is setting , it's

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a little dark and suddenly he feels

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a snake bite him on his thigh

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and he suddenly shrieks and he

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looks down and he sees the snake

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right there and he passes out . And

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so people from the town rush over to him

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. What happened to him ? And he's just laying there unconscious

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and then suddenly he starts to come to and

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they're like are you okay ? Are you okay ? And

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he says no , a snake bit me

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. And suddenly they back up because suddenly

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they're all afraid the snake's going to suddenly start

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biting all of them . And they back up

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to look at the situation and the guy

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points to the place in the path

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where the snake was , as he's pointing and

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shaking his finger there and he's just gasping

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the words out this snake bit me , right

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there . And they all look over

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and they see a rope on the ground

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and then they look where

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he fell down , where he was supposedly bitten

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by the snake and he was walking

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past a bunch of rose bushes

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with really sharp thorns and they have

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some blood on them . And when they suddenly realized

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you didn't get bitten by a snake , you brushed

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past some thorns on the rose bush

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and saw a rope on the ground . Boom

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, you created the whole snake story internally

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by yourself .

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I've never heard that version of the story . I

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love that . I love that . So

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what ?

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I always heard is like yeah , Maybe that's my

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translation .

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So I love it , but

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it's . We're all doing this . We're all mistaking

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the rope as a snake . How

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are we doing that in our own lives ? And it

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may be that you're in a new relationship but you're

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projecting your old trauma onto

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that relationship and seeing things , interpreting

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things . You ever interpret anything ? No

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, never , never , never , right , you're

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constantly interpreting and judging , and

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that's how we are to

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go back to what you were saying . Knowing what

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the other person's going to say , you don't know what the other

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person's going to say . My favorite place to live

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, from which I fail at all the time

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, is I'm pretty sure I have no idea . When

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I'm in that don't know mind . When

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I'm in that beginner's mind , I'm

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open and available to something new

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coming into my awareness .

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Isn't that one of your signs , your

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mantras , that you have ?

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Well , I don't have it on a lemon , I'm pretty sure I

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have no ideas on a sign .

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It's on a sign . Right when I've been zooming

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with you , you've held up that sign .

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Const . People come to me and I'm always pointing

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to that . What's your opinion ? I

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point to that and they look at me curiously and then over

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time , if you work with me enough , you know that's going

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to be where we go , because when we

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run to this kind of I know

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it's often we're referencing

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the past right . And so

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to be able to evolve and grow

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, we need to allow the not

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knowing to create a little bit of space

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for something new to blossom

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and grow .

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Yeah , one of your favorite books and you turned me on

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to it is Rick Rubin's the Creative Act

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, a Way of being , and there was this one

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line in there . Where was I

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reading this ? This

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is page 120 . I just happened to have

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it dog-eared and underlined

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with some writing in the margin . This is

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Rick Rubin writing . We tend to believe

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that the more we know , the more clearly

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we can see the possibilities available

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. This is not the case . The

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impossible only becomes accessible

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when experience has

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not taught us limits . Talking

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about the computer playing a human in

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chess , did the computer win because it

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knew more than the grandmaster or Because

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it knew less ?

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exactly how powerful is that it's

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brilliant in his docuseries . He

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did Shangri-La he in

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the last episode , which is amazing , he

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talks to Laird Hamilton . Laird's

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talking about Surfing waves

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, how everyone was surfing here and

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then he started surfing here .

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It's like the four-minute mile right , exactly , I

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was gonna say the four-minute mile , but because I'm

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conditioned , we're all conditioned . That's

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another example of that thing . Can

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we apply this to our own lives ?

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How do we go beyond ?

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It's like I was talking to one of my clients

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. We were talking about that they were gonna launch this business

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venture and I said , well , what's

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your vision ? And they said , I think we could talk

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to these many people and it could

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be monetized and we could probably

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make like five million dollars . And I

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said , oh , come on , five million dollars

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. Let's think Chris Jenner Okay

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, she doesn't think anything less than a billion . Let's

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go there . And so suddenly we

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were having a conversation not of five million

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dollars , but a billion . Is it gonna make a billion

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? I don't know , but it can't make a billion if

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all we're doing is really dumbing everything

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down to that smallest number that we know

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. Well , that's accessible . I think

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that is doable . We have

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to always punch through the board . We

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can't just have the board or dinner and stops

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at the board and then we

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can't break it .

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Absolutely , and the only way through

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that is present moment , right , Right . So

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what's your anchor ? What do you use

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to help you when you get

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into your prison of

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the past ? What helps you

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reorient ?

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I'm really big on Breath

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and I practice a lot of different breathing techniques

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on a daily basis . I probably spend

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about 15 to 25 minutes

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every single morning in some type of Pranayama

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, in some type of alternate nostril

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breath . Our right side is our

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masculine side , our left side is our

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feminine side and of course , this

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shifts as we go to the brain . Our Right

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side of our brain is our feminine side

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and our left side of our brain is our masculine

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side , and so we can say , oh , left side of the brain

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, it's more engineering , it's more

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practical , it's more logical

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, and the right side of the brain , that's

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the more creative sign . That's really what we're trying

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to do . It's all about that feminine energy

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. One of the most important things that we can

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do when we're thinking about this concept

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of Right left is I can

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say you know what ? I'm think I'm a little

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too masculine in this moment , which

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is all doing energy . I think I'm a little

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too extreme , I'm trying to force

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it or push it , and so I'll

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summon my divine feminine

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side , I'll summon my left side

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on . The way I kick that off is to Start

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breathing in through my left nostril and

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out through my left nostril and back

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in through my left Nostril and back out

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through my left nostril and I'll awaken

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that left side . Now we know , defaulting

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too hard into the left or the right

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or the masculine or the feminine isn't

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really good . It might be good for a moment

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, but it's not going to be good for the

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moment after that , and that's why naughty

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showed no . Naughties are our channels

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and showed no is cleansing or clearing them

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. This is like the cleansing of the channels

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, the clearing of the channels , and no differently

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than all the little fibers that

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flow through us . And one thing that naughty

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showed me it can do is Theoretically

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, if you practice it and you just have to do it for

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a couple of minutes , is harmonized

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the left and the right side . Here's what

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I know it does lowest blood pressure

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, low as your pulse rate , and

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in that slowing down yoga

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, chittavritti Nerota there's a progressive

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quieting of the fluctuations of the mind . In

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that slowing down comes clarity

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, and I have rarely made

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a decision right after

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that at a fear or desperation when

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I've done naughty showed no , or

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even just left nostril breathing for

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just two minutes .

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I used to do that in the car if I felt

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tired on the way to work or picking

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up kids or whatever it was . You

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can do it at any time .

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Yeah , and I'm a proponent also

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of I'm just gonna go left you In

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, left out , left in left out , left in

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left out of just hang out , just

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with your left nostril as your

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sole source of energy and Prana

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Coming into you , and then , after you've

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done that for a little bit , then you can just close

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the left and then do the same thing on

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the right . You really Zone

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in , you really feel that then , once you've

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done a minute or two on the left , a minute

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or two on the right , then you start

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alternating back and forth . You breathe in

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through the left , out through the right , back

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in through the right , out through the left , and

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just using your pointer and your thumb to close

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the respective nostrils that aren't doing

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their job . And of course , I'm a big fan

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of no hands naughty , because

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we don't even need fingers to do it . Keep

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your hands on the wheel , as Jim Morrison would tell

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you , and then just keep . Yes

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, there's leakage , don't worry about it , just

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like there's a most emotional leakage

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in every single moment . Do

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you want ?

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to lead us through a practice sure

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, sure .

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This is especially great if you are

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in a car or if you are Sitting

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on a couch . Maybe you have a leash in your

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hand , if you're right now , if you're listening to

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us , we have a lot of dog walkers because we're big fans

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of dogs , not dogma , so maybe

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you have a leash in one hand and maybe a poop

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bag in the other . This is that moment where I would encourage

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you to put your poop bag into your pocket

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and while you're walking

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here , remember we typically like to

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start by breathing in through the left

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. So if you just rested your right

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thumb against your right nostril

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, you could take a long , slow , deep

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breath in through the left nostril

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and

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then you could close that left nostril when you're done

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with your pointer , open up your right and

16:37

exhale through the right and Back

16:41

in through the right when you get to the bottom of

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that , and

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Then close that right

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with your thumb , open up your left

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, exhale through your left and it's okay If

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you're mucusy or if your nostrils

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are not working . This will help you open it up

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at the bottom of that . Now pull

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back that , inhale through the left nostril and

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then close that nostril out through the right

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and You're starting to get

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the feel of this , and Now

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back in through the right and

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Then close that nostril with

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your thumb , open up your left , exhale

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through the left , and

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now I think we got a little rhythm here back in through

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the left , close

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it out through the right , back

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in through the right , close

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it , open the left , out through the left and

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one final round here back in through the

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left , close

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it out through the right and

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now put your

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hands back on the wheel or the leash or whatever else . I'm gonna put my hands back

17:54

on the wheel or the leash or whatever else

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, and I just breathe normally

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.

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So my understanding was , if one

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side was a little more congested

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, that that was information for me . Is

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that correct ?

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Well , it is , and it's so interesting

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. You're such a psychotherapist

18:12

genius here . I usually think

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of it the other way , but yes , of course . So

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the one that's the most open is

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the most dominant , which , of course , the flip

18:21

side of that because we are the shadow and the light

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, the one that's not wide

18:25

open or the less dominant

18:27

, is the energy that's a little less

18:29

in your body right now . So if

18:31

your right was a little clogged , it means your

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masculine energy was a little

18:36

clogged . Some are just raised her hand . Elizabeth just

18:38

raised her hand also .

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If you heard a little congestion , that was me

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. I

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apologize .

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That's an interesting thing . We can just think of it

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as my right nostril is doing

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energy . My left nostril is

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being energy . If you're getting a

18:54

little hot under the collar or

18:56

a little overambitious in

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a particular moment , you could probably use

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a little left nostril breathing to simmer down

19:03

a little bit . Just reel yourself back in

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just by holding a finger

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against your right nostril and just breathe in

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and out through the left and just allow

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that to settle you in . If , instead

19:14

, you're feeling like a couch potato and someone says

19:16

what do you want to do now ? Stream three more episodes

19:19

of that muster dogs thing on

19:21

Netflix , which is amazing , loving

19:23

that . What do you want to do after that ? Maybe stream

19:26

a little more of the Arnold Schwarzenegger

19:28

documentary it's okay . What do you want to do after that

19:30

? Maybe watch the newest

19:32

episode of the Kardashians . What do you do

19:34

after that ? Clearly , we have an issue here . That's

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when we want to open the right nostril

19:39

and breathe in and out because we

19:41

want to awaken that masculine energy . Get off

19:43

the couch , do something . Let's accomplish something

19:45

. Let's take all that vital , magnificent

19:47

information we garnered from the Schwarzeneggers

19:50

and the Kardashians and Australian

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cattle dogs and then put it to work

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here in our modern-day world .

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So I have another question for you . I think

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this is such an amazing practice for people to

20:01

do at any time . However

20:03

, if I'm in the middle of a meeting

20:05

face to face , or I'm on a zoom and

20:08

I'm feeling a little tired or a little

20:10

unmotivated whatever it may be , because

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I've used this often when I'm tired and

20:14

it helps me wake up or feel more concentrated

20:16

what about if you're on camera or you're face

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to face ? What is something that you can do that can bring

20:21

more balance into your life ?

20:23

I'm on zoom , probably for eight to ten

20:25

hours a day , so I'm assuming I'm being

20:27

looked at or stared at or observed

20:29

. Certainly there are other times when people

20:31

are in board meetings or team meetings , whether

20:34

they're in person or on a zoom call , and

20:36

of course there's the dinner conversation and

20:39

people are staring at you . They're

20:41

watching you chew , they're watching you swallow , they're

20:43

watching you mumble with food in your mouth and

20:46

they certainly are observing you in

20:49

one of those given situations . As

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I mentioned , I love so many different breathing

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techniques . I've created courses on

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breathing and one of my favorite courses

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is my course on breathing that I put on inside timer . But

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there's a really beautiful breathing technique . I've

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given it many different names . The

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original name of this technique is

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Quiet Continuous . It goes back to 2600

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years , to the teachings of the Buddha . But I

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call it Ninja Breath or Stealth

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Breath , and if you've seen any

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of those horror movies , it's the breath that

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you would use if someone suddenly comes

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into the house and you're behind the door and

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you know if you breathe a little too loud , they're going to know

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you're there , right ? We've all seen this

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in so many horror movies where someone's under the bed . So

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Ninja Breath or Stealth Breath . So

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, so powerful . We're Quiet

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, continuous , we don't have to use our hands for

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it , and knowing can tell that

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we're doing it . And that's one of the beautiful

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things , the most important rule that

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anyone could have in breathing slower

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you go , the more control you have , and

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the slower you go , the quieter

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it is . So gaze

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into my eyes . We're going to gaze into each other's

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eyes . As we gaze into each other's eyes

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, we're just going to do this Quiet , continuous

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breathing , which means we're just going

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to look like moon-faced deer in

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headlights . We're just going to be staring into each other

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. And we breathe in through both nostrils

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so slow , so

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slow the slowest breaths we ever took Through

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our nose , of course . And

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when you get to the top of that breath , you just effortlessly

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exhale and don't make

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any sound with your exhale . Don't breathe in quietly

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and then exhale . No

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, this is total quiet , continuous

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, silent and seamless

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. This

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is Ninja Breath , and

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you just do this for

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maybe 30 seconds . It's

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guaranteed to lower your

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heart rate . So if someone pokes

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you at the dinner table , just rock

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back a little bit in your seat , maybe

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an inch or two , put a little energetic

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distance and physical distance , and

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then just begin Quiet , continuous

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Stealth Breath , ninja Breath , fully

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centering , lowers your heart rate and

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allows you just to be in that moment . You're

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just fully present . You're not

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thinking about how annoyed you are

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, or if you took it personally , or if you're going

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to get revenge , or I'll show them , or

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I need to be right . It's a brilliant and

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perfect pattern . Interrupt that will pull

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us into the present moment . How'd that feel ?

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Great . Where were you focusing when you were focusing

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on the breath ? Were you focusing on the nostrils , at

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your belly ? Where were you focusing

23:37

?

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Well , I don't use the word focus because that's

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Latin , my lexicon or my vocabulary

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. I don't use concentrate or focus

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. I bind my attention

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. That's the phrase I like to do

23:48

, because I'm a high achiever from Queens , so

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when I'm focusing I'm like shooting

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laser beams into that thing . So binding

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my attention allows me , I'm

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at the very , very back of my

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nostrils , almost where I'm guessing

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my sinuses might be . It's

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the very , very back , and that allows me

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to just keep pulling air through

24:08

my nose into the very , very back , that

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space where the back of the nose enters

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the throat . Pretty

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cool , right , the gap . Yeah

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, it's the gap , it's the gap . So

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, yes , let's start using that phrase . I

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like to use the word drift when we're talking

24:32

about our attention and for

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this , really , it was potentially in the

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yoga sutras that taught me this Binding

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my attention to

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something rather than focus on

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it .

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Just to bring shadow to the light . Yes , of

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course , when I worked with kids , I

24:48

would talk about mindfulness and I

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would say , hocus pocus , where's your

24:52

focus ? So that

24:55

was a helpful way for kids at least

24:57

, and actually adults too , to think

24:59

about if I'm lost in

25:01

something , if I'm lost in thought , that

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I can change my focus

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. I know you don't like that word , but I've used it . I

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found it to be effective for some people .

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Yeah , well , I would say , hiking

25:13

, hiding where's

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your binding Bad

25:22

dad ? Check right . Hocus

25:24

pocus made me think of abracadabra , those magician

25:27

words , some kind of magician teaching , and

25:30

abracadabra comes from the

25:32

Aramaic . We're talking about

25:34

the language of Jesus . You

25:37

might have actually said abracadabra

25:39

, which means I create as

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I speak .

25:43

Wow , that's what abracadabra

25:45

means .

25:45

Comes from ebbra kedebra

25:47

. Yeah , like , how

25:50

cool is that ? I

25:52

don't know , it just popped into my head when you said hocus pocus

25:54

. Yeah , hocus pocus . Where's your

25:56

focus ? It's in my binding

25:58

. Yeah .

26:03

Okay , so coming back to the

26:05

needs yeah , we talked about finance

26:08

. Where else do you want to go with this ?

26:09

That second level of needs , the

26:11

level of safety . We could create

26:13

a podcast that every single

26:16

conversation is always

26:18

about safety . But I

26:20

think , so much of the work that you do , elizabeth

26:22

, I really believe it's the foundation of

26:24

every single thing that we can ever do

26:26

in our lives . And these little breathing techniques

26:29

that we dabbled in just for a few minutes here

26:31

, these are ways to bring us back to grounding

26:33

. These are trauma-informed meditation

26:35

techniques or trauma-informed mindfulness

26:37

techniques , and you always ask people

26:40

to put your attention on your feet on

26:42

the ground . Anchoring safety

26:44

, your tush on your seat , anchoring

26:46

your back against some kind of back support , anchoring

26:49

binding . These are very important

26:51

connection points for someone

26:53

who has never meditated or might be afraid

26:55

or isn't used to closing their eyes

26:57

in any way or gets a little

27:00

triggered by any of those things . These

27:02

are not things that were discussed or really leveraged

27:05

in the world of meditation . Certainly

27:07

, when I received my teaching from so many

27:09

of my teachers , if someone said

27:12

I don't really feel safe here , my teachers

27:14

would say get over it or

27:16

too bad . Here's how it is , and

27:18

I think we have opportunities as people

27:20

who are willing to just be a little more expansive

27:23

. But if that wasn't the way it has to be

27:25

. Let me try a new way , and

27:27

I believe that we can bring

27:30

safety , or a sense of

27:32

safety , and this goes back to your car seat meditations

27:35

. This is an opportunity for us

27:37

, in every single moment , to connect to our

27:39

safe space , which , of course , always

27:41

is resting inside , and

27:43

that will allow you to step into , maybe

27:46

using one of these breathing techniques

27:48

, maybe using a mantra . Elizabeth

27:51

has these lemonade cards and

27:53

they're one like I'm fine with that

27:55

or I'm okay .

27:56

I'm fine with it .

27:56

I'm fine with it and this allows you to .

27:58

That's for equanimity , yeah .

28:01

This lets you step into otherwise scary

28:03

moments and say you know what To

28:05

go beyond . Right , let me step into

28:07

the unknown . Let me step into the cave

28:10

that I fear to enter , and

28:12

I will find in that process the treasure

28:14

that I seek .

28:16

As you say , all this I was using

28:18

. I love the word connection and you kept

28:20

saying connect the connection points that

28:23

safety and security we need towe can use

28:25

our breath to connect in , we

28:27

can use the anchoring of the body to connect into that first

28:29

. Then for love and belonging

28:32

, we can connect out right . By

28:34

connecting in , we can connect out and then

28:37

for the fourth level , appreciation

28:39

, we can receive more easily

28:42

. So it's like building that connection

28:44

piece in all of these multi-dimensional

28:46

ways and then finally the integration

28:48

of all of it , the self-actualization of

28:51

connection in all of the ways .

28:53

Yeah , yeah , yeah . Life

28:56

is about connection and it starts with our

28:58

connection to self and then from there

29:00

beyond and connecting to all

29:02

the people , and then things and uncharted

29:06

territories . We always hope to

29:08

take you on the Shadow and the Light

29:10

podcast into uncharted territories

29:12

where you can step into your power and

29:15

own your impact , and

29:17

from the sweet spot of the universe . This is

29:19

David G . I'm here with Elizabeth

29:21

Winkler and we are the

29:23

Shadow and the Light . See you next

29:26

episode .

29:58

The Shadow and the Light . The

30:46

Shadow and the Light . The

31:03

Light comes in as free

31:07

. The

31:10

Light is here to remove our demons

31:12

and to bring new Light

31:15

. If

31:21

I don't go to the deep to

31:23

take out the new Light

31:25

, the Shadow

31:28

and the Light .