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so sports simpson is on his

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way out of number ten but not quite

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yet and their reports that he's

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about to create lots of new peers

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as he departs which raises

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a question how has or outgoing

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prime minister used the house of lords

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during his time in office elite

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report by his political consultants

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suggests appointing more people supporters

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of the conservative government's political agenda

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and help keep the balance and get controversial

1:05

bits of legislation through the upper house

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in , episode my colleague pool carolina

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glitzier meets peter banker

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businessmen and baron of sure that

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the understand why boris johnson was

1:19

johnson keen to put him in the lords

1:21

and ways story tells us about the prime

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minister's pistol with

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the thirtieth of july and

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we're on the grounds of face with house

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a grand the state sat in

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was one dweller cause the coots

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was across

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it's one thousand five hundred acres

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there's an orange tree and then auto a

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secret garden and the swim

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yeah we are

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there in needlessly big white marcie

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listening to neil diamond's classic

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plays in honor of boris johnson's

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wife cari the to twelve

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and shake on the empty dance floor he

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in a creams and and suit with a blue shirt

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and tie see in a code

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sequence dress reflecting the bright

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neon lights around them the

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side the marquee guess enjoy

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south african sausage and

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ancient green salad

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the johnsons wedding party was

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meant to be out the prime minister's official

2:43

country residents checkers

2:46

move today said of the boris

2:48

johnson received as he said

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in his speech earlier in the day masses

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of letters to resign mostly

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from my closest family this

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party isn't the first

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sign that the owners of days fed

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has supported nord

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bamford is a conservative donor

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was appointed to the house of lords

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when david cameron was prime minister together

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with his family and a cb

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companies he has donated

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more than four million pounds

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to the tories under boris johnson during

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the twenty nineteen election campaign

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leave and provided a red white

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and blue jcp the guy with

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the words get breaks it done

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written on the front boris

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johnson could drive to a wall with

3:37

the word gridlock a

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wedding it's the prime

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minister's legacy minister's legacy grain

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of sand of sand of

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public power and private gain

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more his predecessors boris

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johnson has used as butcher net not

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just

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not

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but above all for

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himself for wedding the

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caribbean holiday secrets

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newspaper columns main

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to of removed the house

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of law some previous

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prime ministers of and clean

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and bit properly getting creating peerages

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as well see view that it's

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not just numbers but an element of cronyism

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the wedding party

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the were keys to people who have been

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tapped for peerages in boris

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johnson's resignation on as this

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two people out of a list

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which could run two thirty nine

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names most would

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be conservatives who joined the other

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forty one tory members of the house

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of lords he's already created

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since becoming prime minister they

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tend to fall into two groups

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people who have given person and savers

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and others who given unyielding

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political support millionaire

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david ross sits in the first

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category the facilitated

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boris johnson's holiday on mustique

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the other on throw loyal cabinet

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minister nadine dorries fits

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in the second this

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reported list of new p as has

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been given added significance by

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leaked report that we've seen

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by the prime minister's political consultants

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cross be ecstatic

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the document referred to exacerbate

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the problem is completely objectionable and

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it's based on a misunderstanding of what

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the house of lords is about

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it's cool project homer and it's

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such as flooding the lord's with ideologically

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sympathetic ps make

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sure government legislation gets

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through it advises

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that controversial people are included

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to distract from the overall number

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of nominations and sites

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as guinea leopard as as an excellent

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our reporting has shown his nomination

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was in support is be the security

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service those

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be taxed that has played down the significance

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of this stuff how

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much could he be leading boris johnson's

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action one man

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who is also cited in project homer

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might help answer that question

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hi peter lord crop is to

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swear by almighty god the

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i will be faithful and their true allegiance

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to her majesty the queen her

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as and successes according

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to law so help me god

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but in many ways this story

6:45

is about much more than his spirits

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i mean i've never hear anybody that hard

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in my life but i'm sorry i had to

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come to that because i'm not generally

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a violent person when i will stand up for myself

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on never

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right down on anything on business and on

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assaults field and

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it was a sad

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and a happy moment i'm paul current

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got it's your and then this week slow

7:09

news conference authors the

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rise of pizza now

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both crisis because , elevate

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him to the house of lords boris

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johnson has to do something new

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prime minister had done before when

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things go outside the womb says

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embarrassment nothing embarrassment impassively counted

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bouncing and now lord cruddas is

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stirring all his considerable energies

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into paying boris johnson

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and yeah i'm surprised myself and of in savannah

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peter , this wasn't initially keen

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on an interview for reasons that would

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become clear why can't get messages

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from ya nos ha who are these guys

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under ignore them aside cause

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i get a lot of emails and also and into

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persisted and a new piss

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me off a bit we met at the headquarters

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of his six hundred ninety million

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pound company in the city it's

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a great social this than the

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very short geographical one from

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his origin so i load

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crisis showed it to me when you go into the

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house of lords you can kind of choose

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your title of could have chosen mayfair

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where i live now i thought no

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shortage is the right title that's where

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i'm from shortage in the late

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nineteen fifties when he was a young

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boy was all been sites

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industrial decline the

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deprivation really each

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on had to scratch our live in the opportunities

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weren't their kids like me weren't

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expected go to university

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i was certainly clever enough of is probably the

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cleverest kid in the school the the

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men's a test a got an i q of

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one hundred and fifty five apparently that's

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how it a night you score at that

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level with place and in the

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top one percent of britain's

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population so i never really enjoyed

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go i enjoyed primary school cause i

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you know i i got more attention and

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more tutoring and i could really thrive

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in that environment by at secondary school

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it was just some i'm sticking about because

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we will lead to be educated and never sees

9:10

be comprehensive school and always

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was disappointed i wanted to go to a

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grammar school but i never went to grammar

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school and so you you left school

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and fifteen ,

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there was a job advertised you know trainees

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a tally printer operators

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and apply to to for

9:30

an interview and and

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i got the job yup start

9:35

on monday the was paid

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eight pounds a week about

9:39

ninety pounds in today's money the

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work hard and a few shillings more

9:44

per week and was promoted to

9:46

the training room the good thing back

9:48

then was so obvious bringing money

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into my mum i would give up her

9:53

might give her my weekly wage

9:56

the whole money everything there's

9:58

the money mom give it to her

9:59

friday night and he should give me a few quid

10:03

my pocket money or figured i had to pay

10:05

the my keep a wanted to help my mom

10:08

when i finished the night shift i

10:10

would also in a white for her

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and do have is playing with her

10:15

for a couple of hours he had to help his

10:17

mother because although his father worked

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as a supervisor smithfield meat market

10:22

he didn't provide for his family my

10:25

dad was an inventor invented

10:27

binge drinking and

10:30

twenty five pints of guinness

10:32

and one bottle of rum her

10:34

die his mother felt she couldn't

10:37

divorce his father because his

10:39

name was on their council flats rent book

10:42

the power in their home was shifting

10:45

i was given her money she wasn't

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dependent upon my dad because

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of a constant arguments about money

10:51

my dad need needed to hang on

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to every penny that a money so he could keep

10:56

drinking and my mum needed to

10:58

feed the kids and neighbors completely

11:00

irresponsible my dad a was quite

11:02

traumatic really live in in that environment

11:05

and then at lost the

11:07

balance one day

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i just matt i came

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home my mom was upset with

11:14

added hitter the center

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of fucking had enough of this and

11:18

i was furious so okay

11:22

he was asleep in the chair

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and

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i waited for him to wake up and i said

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listen

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you don't touch my many more that's

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enough now

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and he was a little bit pissed i guess little

11:35

bit hung over i'm not proud of this

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because it's the best and worst thing i've

11:39

ever done in my life and

11:41

he's anti to both you gonna fucking do

11:43

about it then and he came out the say

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and scared to live out me on

11:48

just smashed him right in the vice

11:50

broke his nose or her to go annie

11:54

just slum back in the chair and and he passed

11:56

out for a few seconds and in blood

11:58

everywhere pouring

11:59

of him my mum screaming

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she grabbed a t tell gave it to

12:04

him be held up to his notes and

12:06

he couldn't move on the not knocked him right

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out and it was too i guess years

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of frustration and anger of amanda

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i didn't respects his father

12:16

the treated my mom poorly

12:18

who i love dearly and was a very good

12:20

months for myself and my two brothers

12:23

and he is he was being abused and i just

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had a not and

12:28

he was scared of me after that any never touched

12:30

my mom and it gave me a feeling

12:32

of control and power

12:35

which i never abused because he

12:37

was still my dad peter cruddas

12:39

took his new sense of independence and

12:42

determination into business

12:44

i understood everything about trade

12:47

in and solomon a progressed from

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a tumble telex operator into

12:52

a trader then at thirty

12:54

five assaulted my own company and

12:56

basically i was a brokerage company

12:59

but he has the unique car is that

13:02

the not happened so the transformed

13:05

my business we went from a little boutique

13:07

a business a one day i read

13:09

about the internet

13:12

he spotted it's potential to transform

13:14

trading and in nineteen ninety

13:16

six he launched one of the first

13:18

online trading a

13:21

move that made him extremely

13:23

rich and eventually to

13:26

can to monica

13:30

you know nine you know there was to go for

13:33

it was socialist government peter cra

13:35

this didn't like what was happening

13:37

back home upset by

13:39

the iraq war and what he saw

13:42

as the labour governments mismanagement

13:44

of the economy he felt britain

13:46

was wearing in the wrong direction

13:49

believing capitalism i believe

13:51

in center right politics i believe in immigration

13:54

i believe in low taxes i

13:56

believe in border controls everything

13:58

that smite this country grind

14:00

the moved home and in two thousand

14:02

and nine he decided to

14:04

act

14:05

though i gave the conservatives two hundred

14:08

thousand pounds the find

14:10

the next election cause i'm

14:12

then on their radar on a cat

14:14

supporting them or wants to help them david

14:16

cameron became the prime minister

14:19

in a coalition government and

14:21

i wanted to keep help helping them helping became

14:23

i became of the leaders group which is fifty

14:26

thousand pounds donation he was suddenly

14:28

drawn into a world of conservative

14:31

party fundraising attending

14:33

dinners and drinks hosted

14:35

by the party chairman andrew

14:38

feldman

14:39

andrew knew how to work abroad

14:41

so he would sort stand round

14:43

in a circle need caught quite casually

14:45

dropping oh yes yes are popped

14:47

in to see david i'm over

14:50

the weekend with de vito that awards at

14:52

prime minister oh yeah yes sour opting

14:54

to see him and sam was there with the kids

14:56

and we had a chat and we actually we

14:58

gotta be a shepherd's pie and stuff like

15:00

that and so he kind

15:02

of use that person relationship

15:05

with david cameron and then a cause

15:08

a social event i mean people

15:10

whoop whoop past me

15:12

oh by the way andra

15:14

of got a check for the party or said i'd

15:16

give you my and and i don't know what the size

15:18

of the check they could been fifty thousand he could

15:20

be the thousand i don't have but it

15:23

might showed it to him cause him thought

15:25

oh

15:26

he's mates with the prime minister that's

15:28

peter crowd this is a count of how andrew

15:30

feldman operated andrew

15:32

feldman declined to comment as

15:34

well yeah he's a man who peter cruddas

15:37

came to dislike for

15:40

really big donations andrew feldman

15:42

tend to peter cruddas during

15:45

a referendum on the voting system and twenty

15:47

eleven he asked peter kratos

15:49

for half a million pounds to support

15:52

a campaign to maintain first

15:54

past the post which favor the

15:56

conservatives with more than three hundred

15:58

areas to cat sixty eight

15:59

and people have noted not to

16:02

changing the voting system

16:06

his contribution to the successful

16:08

campaign was reward

16:10

kind of knew it was coming

16:14

kind of thought and on a minute disclose

16:16

conservative is working class

16:18

itself accounts or despite his self my

16:20

it is an entrepreneur he pays

16:23

taxes a gift to charity what's

16:25

not to love about the sky i

16:27

mean politically i take a lot of boxes

16:30

and so they invited me

16:32

to be the treasurer of the conservative

16:35

party and that kind with been

16:37

a board member and on the finance committee

16:41

the great honor as treasurer

16:43

peter cruddas was expected to donate

16:45

seven hundred and fifty thousand

16:48

pounds a year and to underwrite

16:50

the party's financing the

16:53

was good for the money

16:55

the

16:55

when he drove the conservative headquarters

16:58

in london he was asked to

17:00

park his roads royce round the back and

17:02

was sidelined as important events

17:04

i wouldn't say i've got a chip on my shoulder

17:07

but i kind of wouldn't let people talk

17:09

down to me david cameron a

17:12

newly tony and ran the party

17:14

and government the small group

17:16

of fellow travelers it

17:19

was like a fucking oxidative

17:21

reunion it felt like it was a little

17:23

club and , had to be

17:25

part of that club to make any

17:28

headway or to

17:30

get your voice heard a little bit so

17:32

so decided i i

17:35

, particularly i

17:37

wasn't in a try to be pond wake up

17:39

rafa not be part of it be part

17:43

didn't like the why i was treated

17:46

i felt i was just being used some

17:48

money will there's a first in politics

17:50

isn't that enough by i accepted

17:52

that i said to my wife i said you know

17:54

what's gonna happen again to treat me like shit

17:58

in march twenty two

17:59

people came to

18:02

peter called this is office i didn't

18:04

even know they nights and they walked

18:06

in my door and they said they

18:08

wanted to know night some money to

18:10

the to seventy pounds they told him

18:12

they work for a foreign investment fun

18:15

and wanted to meet the prime minister

18:17

put across their points of view

18:20

getting a free

18:21

would you want to get the got one thousand eight just didn't get

18:23

ourselves

18:23

this is very top level so that we would be taken

18:26

seriously when we just me mr cameron

18:28

it sounds cannot be for samples what

18:30

you think is a sees that amount for to give her a minimum

18:33

of a hundred grand prix

18:40

two hundred grand to

18:43

, premier league for us for

18:45

anything between a hundred and two fifty

18:48

point he has will peter cruddas said

18:50

they could expect when we talk about

18:52

feel doesn't doesn't the first see me

18:54

wanna do is get to as the camera

18:56

in an in and in awful

18:58

house in

19:01

number ten downing street downing

19:04

the prime minister's

19:07

the meeting seem to have gone

19:09

way the to crowded email

19:11

conservative headquarters to tell

19:14

them to expect a large donation

19:16

nine days later when

19:18

he was on his way to feed his daughters' cats

19:21

puppy anti the sunday

19:23

times called him and asked for his

19:25

sponsors to their allegations that

19:27

he corruptly offer the accessed

19:30

to the prime minister for cash not

19:33

yet advised on how to conceal

19:35

the foreign source of that donation

19:38

the nightmare headline in the sunday times

19:40

the paper had secretly recorded the tories top

19:42

fundraiser offering access and

19:45

maybe influence in return for big donations

19:47

peter cra this denied the allegations

19:51

the called conservative party chairman

19:53

andrew feldman the said that have

19:55

to wait until nine pm see

19:58

the story and

19:59

before hanging

20:01

okay good luck

20:04

peter crowded went from a nasa to a

20:06

liability overnight the

20:08

prime minister wanted him out look

20:11

at what happened is completely unacceptable

20:13

this is not the way that we raise money

20:16

in the conservative party good shouldn't have happened

20:18

is quite right the feet across has resigned

20:20

but he did was precariously

20:23

the famed me cause he was indoors in

20:25

a story that wasn't true i

20:27

could a suit prime minister

20:29

why didn't hear

20:31

this was upsetting for

20:33

my children and for my wife

20:35

it was upsetting i didn't like to

20:37

see

20:38

me

20:39

been talked about in this why and it was upset

20:42

him for me as well two

20:45

main reason for if i go out and saw

20:47

a suit prime minister this thing is

20:49

never going to go away instead the

20:51

sued the newspaper and the to

20:53

journalists

20:55

one

20:56

the judge ruled out the journalists had acted

20:58

maliciously the attempting to show

21:01

that he had tried facilitating and

21:03

illegal donation and

21:05

he ruled that peter cra this is offer

21:07

for them to meet the prime minister was

21:10

not an opportunity for

21:12

them to influence government policy

21:14

because he issued this disclaimer during

21:16

the meeting

21:17

because we depend on of a sudden

21:20

now we , to be very

21:22

careful what we say say

21:25

a lot worse and eighty is a is we

21:27

have to be careful review panel my

21:29

access to the pride in the pride so if

21:32

you don't a you

21:34

will be fighting to was a swear the

21:36

prime minister is safe right

21:41

club american boys you could

21:44

, be of a private house

21:46

have is a private dinner with

21:48

the chancellor willian hi

21:51

hi cameron michael cameron

21:54

or the top ministers the

21:56

chairman of the party the judge

21:58

added stuff

21:59

crowder suffered

22:02

, humiliation from the

22:04

prime minister minister victory

22:06

would be short be the newspaper

22:09

appease the court of appeals

22:12

upheld the part of the ruling which found

22:14

that peter crosses didn't try to facilitate

22:17

a foreign donations

22:18

which would have been unlawful

22:21

it also upheld a finding that the journalists

22:23

had acted maliciously in reporting

22:25

that allegation not the

22:28

judges overturned the finding that

22:30

there was no offer have access for have

22:32

donation it said

22:35

credits was effectively thing to the journalists

22:37

the if they donated large sums to the conservatives

22:40

who would have an opportunity to influence government

22:42

policy this was

22:44

not suggesting criminal offenses under the bribery

22:46

at twenty plan nevertheless

22:48

what he proposed was unacceptable inappropriate

22:51

and wrong it's legal

22:54

they said it's an acceptable and appropriate

22:56

and wrong for me to do what every

22:59

party does the i found it wasn't

23:01

my gave up after that tries to d c

23:03

and rightly or wrongly if you

23:05

feel like the court of appeal was innocent

23:10

the making a judgement

23:12

on fundraising in general is

23:14

a lie know i really think and i've never said

23:16

this about i think the court of appeal

23:18

this is my personal opinion was

23:20

political

23:22

i think the guy a mindset

23:25

cause i would argue differently the

23:28

mindset of the court of appeals

23:30

to give something back to the sunday

23:32

times

23:33

the appeal judges or that peter

23:35

cruddas to repay some of

23:37

the damages reducing them

23:39

from one hundred and eighty thousand pounds

23:42

to fifty thousand the

23:45

real damage had been a

23:48

crowded was cost out of

23:50

the establish

23:51

gave cameron a chance to put things right

23:54

to apologize

23:56

and i don't think he did

23:59

i think back

23:59

had the i felt from the clique before

24:02

this happened when the sunday

24:05

times story happened and

24:07

after it happened they still weren't prepared

24:09

to treat me with respect

24:11

when he gave , son called

24:14

apology to me and actually

24:16

yeah it wasn't really sincere and

24:19

fun

24:20

oh hockey

24:23

peter crowded stop donating to

24:25

the conservative party and focused

24:28

on a new kind of politics

24:30

exit

24:32

in twenty fifteen a few months

24:34

after that ruling by the court of appeal

24:36

to join the board vote

24:39

leave flowers on the front line

24:41

i was the treasurer i was a major

24:43

donor i kept afloat the

24:45

official leave campaign went head

24:47

to head with david cameron we

24:50

had called abraxas referendum but

24:52

have come out in support of remain

24:56

peter crowded now found himself riding

24:58

the red battle bus with another

25:00

kind of only tony boris

25:02

johnson we went to rallies

25:05

we went campaign in i mean it

25:07

wasn't really an orchestrated type

25:09

of relationship up have just kept harassing

25:12

cat crossing and he knew me from

25:14

conservatives and staff and and

25:17

i just called well with him but no better

25:19

than say pretty patel and some

25:21

other bread cities and so the campaign

25:23

was very successful

25:25

there exists oh yeah we can now say

25:27

the decision taken in nineteen

25:29

seventy five by this country to join

25:32

the common market has been reversed

25:34

by this referendum

25:36

the vote leave headquarters peter

25:38

cruddas and boris johnson hug

25:42

david cameron

25:43

resign the british people have made

25:45

a very clear decision to take

25:47

a different

25:57

that's my producer louis vickers

25:59

probably a little bit mixed not as

26:02

euphoric as you might think casino

26:04

described in about it was outflanking

26:07

a caplin muppets from oxford university

26:10

ah , i mean nervous about of anger

26:12

towards him in there i guess but i

26:15

see felt that he was that he good

26:17

prime minister

26:18

the to take another three years

26:20

for boris johnson to become prime

26:22

minister we became a brick

26:24

sit com free pack and twenty

26:27

sixteen and boris had led

26:29

that campaign

26:30

are you secretly

26:32

not easily on not we

26:35

vote leave expected the

26:38

core of vote leave team to end

26:40

up in number ten when he did

26:43

peter kratos donated fifty thousand

26:45

pounds tears campaign

26:47

i wanted a break the prime minister

26:49

to deliver a brett sit britain that's

26:51

what we vote for as far as spend a

26:54

million old quit on supported you know

26:56

they won again

26:57

boris johnson wanted to show

27:00

his gratitude

27:01

we had a drink and he wanted to thank you supporters

27:04

and he turned up late and you know i

27:06

gave a speech and we shook hands

27:08

and cuddled on these why our and that was

27:10

it in a but danny kruger came

27:12

up to me and said oh you know

27:15

prime minister wants see you at number ten will give

27:17

you a cold in a couple of guys on elk i

27:19

find the meeting happened on the nineteen

27:21

till september twenty nineteen

27:24

for forty five pm

27:27

then earlier who replaced andrew feldman

27:29

as the conservative party chairman was

27:31

in the room with boris johnson he

27:34

said basically that

27:36

he would like to pull brett city

27:38

is in the lord's because

27:41

you , remember all the shenanigans

27:44

from the house of lords that

27:47

that know bills were coming through from parliament

27:50

and the lord's will reject and everything to do

27:52

with brett sense and so he

27:54

wanted more bread citizen an old and

27:56

it was a great a to receive

27:58

that ah after the meeting

28:01

ben elliot take a photo of peter cruddas

28:03

outside number ten but

28:05

it would be more than more than before

28:07

he took his seat people

28:10

called this is appointment was delayed

28:12

because the house of lords appointments commission

28:15

who lack which fats but com

28:17

fito nominees they didn't support

28:20

his appointment boris

28:22

johnson overrule the commission and

28:24

then please asked it's chair lord

28:27

you to provide answers

28:29

this is the first time at a prime minister as

28:31

sought to go ahead he

28:34

has been totally open as to his reasons

28:37

and his letter to us is a powerful

28:39

letter of the case for thought credit

28:41

stuff net for example charity work

28:44

and so on but he nonetheless

28:46

i you know we stand over

28:49

what we said we had a reason for saying it

28:51

which is would have been said in the court and

28:53

, have a recent essay particularly with

28:55

relating to our second criteria

28:58

which is parliament parliament this

29:00

and that an understanding apartment so

29:03

that's it that's it we said no

29:05

we felt we had no alternative a places

29:08

whole lacking in a very difficult position

29:10

he is be totally honest

29:12

and open the prime minister by the reasons why he

29:14

thought the thought and i

29:16

have been absolutely clear a minor to

29:18

you you know why we think we've all right

29:21

that's it and get off the committee

29:23

is old is he the people the did this was

29:25

yup united on that subject it's been reported

29:28

that when it's been to protecting the standing

29:30

of parliament oh like felt boris

29:32

johnson wouldn't have nominated a man

29:35

so harshly judged by the people

29:37

he hadn't been such a generous donor

29:40

to the concept and

29:42

lord you added it was

29:44

certainly absolutely clear to

29:46

me that , prime minister

29:48

wanted this person a

29:52

in a big way

29:53

it meant a lot to be across

29:55

this is where i think boris

29:58

differs from cameron because warren

30:00

said you are wrong and

30:02

i'm going to override you and i'm gonna

30:04

write gonna letter of why i'm overriding

30:07

you are not going to put it in the public domain and

30:09

i'm very grateful that he did that because

30:12

what how like with doing with damage in my

30:14

reputation

30:15

three days off the peter kratos

30:17

took his seat as a conservative member

30:20

of the house of lords he donated

30:22

half a million pounds to the party

30:25

i can understand why people have made

30:28

something out there but hang on a minute i'm

30:30

already in the last one to i need to donate

30:32

you know i mean if i was paying to

30:34

get into the house a little and by the why you can't

30:36

do that that's corruption that's

30:39

criminality and there's

30:42

no evidence of that because it didn't exist

30:45

the facts of the matter is i'd committed

30:47

to give the conservative party in

30:50

my own mind sums of money

30:52

over a period of time and

30:55

i suppose i should have thought about it a bit more

30:57

but i mean you gotta remember going into

30:59

the lot as well was when cove it was locked

31:01

down a butterfly turned up a swore on

31:03

the bible in a came out didn't even

31:05

feel like i'm sentinels to be honest

31:08

it was peter cries this is largest single

31:10

donation yet cook

31:12

is total donations to the conservatives

31:16

above three million pounds

31:19

which is interesting it seems

31:22

to fit a pattern for

31:24

example andrew fraser

31:26

donated a little more than three million

31:28

pounds before being made lot

31:31

fraser james ,

31:33

donated two point nine five

31:35

million pounds before taking

31:37

his seat as lord lupton lupton

31:40

then another sixty thousand

31:42

pounds of the his maiden his

31:45

michael spencer donated above five

31:48

million pounds to the party before

31:50

being made before spencer michael

31:53

foreigner thirty

31:58

dean of the lasik

31:59

the conservative party treasurer

32:02

us were offered peerages

32:03

having each donated at least

32:06

three million pounds to the party

32:09

the daily telegraph conan from two

32:11

thousand and six describe

32:13

the sale of peerages as

32:16

a crime that is quintessentially

32:18

british and unknown to

32:21

any other jurisdiction on the

32:24

columnist one boris

32:26

johnson

32:29

i don't think i know him or would recognize

32:31

him other the from television if i'm on a still

32:34

bunnies out to send imposed johnson and

32:36

but i think peers are in ballasts i'll

32:39

when they things i'm dumb for play

32:41

know the house of lords cross

32:44

party

32:45

something many ways as custodians

32:47

of the constitution and

32:50

when things go outside the

32:52

walls an embarrassment of the is impossibly

32:54

com

32:55

my name's angela smith i'm

32:57

the leader the labor group in the house of

32:59

lords lead for lead with the opposition

33:01

in the house of lords

33:03

when you look at the website and can

33:05

see the contributions of my

33:07

look at what their interests

33:09

so that they have to declare is

33:12

your interests of longer than the contributions

33:14

you have to make this a longer list

33:16

for the something it's not quite as math

33:19

peter crow this is only contribution

33:21

to the house besides his maiden speech

33:24

the question on temporary cycle

33:26

lanes in london

33:28

in which he explained that is a keen cyclist

33:31

meanwhile

33:32

in his register of interests levin

33:35

director peter

33:37

crisis has voted to hundred and

33:39

fifty seven times out

33:41

of two hundred and sixty nine

33:43

votes since they can kiss see the

33:46

better voting great fun the conservative

33:49

leader of the house of lords

33:51

i go to more than anybody

33:53

else more the ministers more than anybody

33:55

else and up in on to commit

33:58

his attire speak so much because i'm

33:59

bloody time to be honest account

34:02

do everything across all those two

34:04

hundred fifty seven votes he

34:06

went against the conservatives just

34:09

once on a bill

34:11

to extend abortion rights in northern iowa

34:14

what bush nonsensical i can't win the

34:16

argument if my own people outside sin

34:18

and for these bills off these issues

34:21

so have her put people who will and

34:23

will just when by sheer numbers

34:25

that's and who of course was found

34:28

have broken the rules on

34:30

paid lobbying just last week

34:32

and was now after that government eater

34:34

the prime minister boris johnson is

34:36

apologizing for parties that allegedly

34:38

reached phobic nineteen lockdown rules

34:41

after he and dozens of others were fine

34:43

i e number ten said the prime minister was

34:46

aware of reports and speculation

34:48

about mr depends on it

34:50

, pretty you know the will of

34:53

the parliament free conservative party

34:55

that there should be a new leader of

34:58

that policy and that for and new prime

35:00

minister is was boris johnson's personal

35:02

failure to live up to standards in

35:04

public life and his support

35:06

for other conservatives who french short

35:09

not ended his premiership

35:11

started with him defending owen

35:13

paterson despite a committee of m

35:16

p's finding at his lobbying

35:18

brought parliament into disrepute

35:21

and ended with his appointment of crispin

35:23

show despite the history of allegations

35:25

of sexual assault and harassment against

35:28

the deputy with and

35:31

it's personal loyalty that some

35:33

people think can bring him back

35:36

threat , to give conservative

35:38

party members a say over

35:40

whether to accept his resignation

35:43

waged in the pages of the

35:45

daily express on the conservative

35:47

posts website and in peterborough

35:50

the system the for granted

35:52

even instructed his lawyers to

35:55

threaten legal action against

35:57

the party i was angry about

35:59

the removal of forest at a bus

36:02

constructively dismissed as

36:04

prime minister why was i angry first

36:07

of all alight boris but

36:09

if he was a reminder i wouldn't have been

36:11

angry because

36:13

the brakes a tear we need abraxas

36:15

government and i felt boris

36:19

was elected he got forty

36:21

three percent of the popular

36:23

vote he won and eighty seat

36:25

majority and he had majority manifesto

36:28

a manifesto died from the electorate

36:31

to the liver

36:33

he has effectively been this

36:35

constructively dismissed by

36:38

a group of m p's

36:41

but the problem with that

36:44

is that it's going against

36:46

electorate and

36:48

it cannot be right for a

36:50

political party to

36:52

be having the towel wagging the dog

36:56

so the whole thing stinks

36:58

and always think the

37:01

long term destruction of the conservative

37:03

party have seen as a business or law

37:06

if you run a business for your meats

37:09

a ends in tears

37:10

and the members of being disenfranchised

37:13

is move beyond boris his

37:16

campaign to save boris johnson's

37:18

premiership looks doomed to

37:20

fail peter grow this

37:22

it's also about changing the constitution

37:25

of the conservative party

37:28

that it's control shift away

37:30

from and beast and closer to party

37:32

members

37:33

becoming a choice and kate boris

37:36

same constitution change the

37:38

constitution a tight the second one i

37:41

would like boris the first choice would be

37:43

to have morrison the new constitution

37:46

that would be no bomb for me and if he

37:48

can't keep boris johnson or

37:50

change the party's constitution he

37:52

says his stop giving the party

37:54

money

37:55

if nothing changes a forest

37:58

goes and the constitution the

38:00

same i'm not interested

38:02

because it's corrupt

38:05

and it's wrong and it's not it's

38:07

not a personal thing is just

38:10

the wrong way to run a business is

38:12

the wrong way to run a political party

38:15

and it's gonna get worse and it

38:17

sam so i can't i can't

38:19

give to the party having what

38:21

they've done to boris is just a catalyst

38:24

for me to sign a now

38:26

peter kratos has donated more

38:28

than four and a half million

38:30

pounds to the party sofa

38:39

i'm carolyn create a parrot i

38:42

told his we think there's never been a

38:44

more important time to slow down and

38:46

make sense of the world whether

38:48

it's a slow news cost or datasets

38:50

maker or compelling like

38:52

fleet bobby london grad or visible

38:55

women you'll always get great stories

38:57

considered reporting and clear analysis

39:00

jonathan just search for towards us media

39:02

wherever you get your

39:03

that car

39:10

there's one more one more thing

39:12

and in the memo that i found i

39:14

found out at the the

39:16

idea that ten

39:19

loyalty could be incentivized

39:21

with lunches and that second

39:24

yeah what a butcher the labour

39:26

day

39:27

keeping up

39:29

on fine with the only one legislation

39:31

that fucking fool with projects homer

39:34

the memo prepared by boris johnson said

39:36

sizes are cross be taxed

39:38

reigns to pack the lord's with p as

39:40

could be supportive of the governor it

39:43

says that

39:45

the prevent further defeats on

39:47

contentious government bills

39:49

there are a limited number of

39:51

potential solutions available

39:54

it outlines them as

39:57

point new conservative be as will

39:59

attend lords and vote with the government

40:02

on important pieces of legislation

40:05

the

40:05

professionalize the lord's leadership

40:09

the government does a vows project homer

40:12

crosby texter says it was

40:14

just a discussion document for

40:16

think that it's

40:18

twenty seven pages long full

40:21

of date on grass and includes

40:23

anonymised quotes from interviews

40:26

with conservative peers

40:28

a long time and money

40:30

since i've gone into recommendations

40:32

like using lunches and dinners at

40:35

checkers a streets and guests

40:37

my view is if they're referring anybody's offering gold

40:39

cup of tea will need to be quiet wary about

40:42

it guess one doesn't want feel an obligation

40:44

philip lord north and is a conservative

40:47

peer

40:48

he's been described as uk

40:50

greatest living expert on parliament

40:53

and a world authority

40:55

on constitutional issues i

40:57

asked him about another one of

41:00

the memo suggestions the

41:02

newly created the as sign

41:04

a pledge of obedience murder

41:12

anybody at all one is there to

41:14

offer ones advice

41:17

to have an input based on ones at

41:19

expertise or ones experience

41:22

on that particular issue

41:24

a sudden render the whole process

41:26

and pointless in many respects

41:28

if you just gonna be that obvious and

41:32

are you going to and behave

41:34

center is constitutionally completely objectionable

41:37

the men who advises that likely

41:39

defeat some to breaks it builds the

41:42

northern ireland protocol

41:43

the brakes it freedom because we provide

41:46

a perfect excuse

41:48

and excellent cover for

41:51

the prime minister to put more loyalists

41:53

in the lords

41:55

another form of cover to prevent the media

41:57

backlash more scottish

41:59

and were

41:59

yeah

42:01

which it says with improve the representation

42:04

of these currently under represented

42:06

areas in the lords

42:08

another incentive owners like

42:11

seabees and special envoys

42:13

or advisor position based

42:15

on a misunderstanding of what the house of

42:18

lords is a foul

42:20

with i think that's a problem at the moment the gop

42:22

not fully understanding the nato

42:24

respecting the nature of the second chamber

42:26

what it says and do

42:29

and some of the made facial appears to be over the

42:31

lord's keeps defeating the government

42:33

will lose his face patents and

42:35

but the government attaches undo importance

42:38

food and realism found what the process

42:40

is as if the lords is defeating

42:43

the government in a particular think therefore that's killing

42:45

something off or not it's not it's

42:47

many inviting the commons to think again

42:49

on a particular subject do

42:52

you think this

42:53

prime minister or government

42:56

and

42:57

tested the limits of

42:59

of the constitution more than

43:02

more than others that have come before

43:04

it know simply entries yes the

43:06

real question is why

43:08

as lord northern says the lord

43:11

can only asked the comments to think

43:13

again so why

43:15

is the prime minister testing the limits

43:17

of the constitution in this way

43:21

personal loyalty is one onset

43:23

i can send a feminist of wanted to thank

43:26

people

43:26

bought them

43:29

and recognize that the that doesn't

43:31

mean they need to places legislature

43:33

boris johnson has use his patronage

43:35

through those who support him

43:39

the lord kratos dancing quite say

43:42

i usually me to spoken contributions

43:45

to the lord's he's voted in

43:47

almost every single vote since

43:49

taking his seat

43:50

the in support of the governor

43:52

and he donated money to the conservative

43:56

not just boris johnson

43:58

who's not your classic case

43:59

personal loyalty and patronage

44:03

these there because he's a break sit

44:05

yeah

44:06

i'm because the prime minister as

44:08

lord north and but said don't

44:10

understand or respect

44:12

the role of the upper chamber

44:14

in the brakes it debate

44:16

how mind thing

44:18

hang on the prime minister is sending

44:21

people who are for personally

44:23

loyal to him do you not

44:25

saying that somebody with my experience

44:28

and , interests should

44:31

be in the lord's i've got a lot

44:33

of political pedigree so but

44:36

people don't want to talk about that

44:38

i mean the two things i've been involved

44:40

with have been very important that is countries

44:43

the constitution or democracy

44:46

no to a the the voting system

44:49

the boat leave

44:50

i think i'm very experienced politically

44:53

and guess what one of britain's most

44:55

successful businessman guess what

44:57

are going to the house of lords and get my time

44:59

for free i don't claim my three hundred

45:02

pounds the dice guess why i wanted

45:04

a biggest tax payers if i don't

45:06

qualify the house

45:08

of lords and tell me who does cause

45:10

you don't want more m p's and now he

45:13

want a diverse

45:15

background of people and guess well i

45:17

didn't go to oxford peter kratos

45:19

has offered unyielding political support

45:22

the boris johnson or not person

45:24

and favors like other peers in

45:28

contrast as guinea lebanon's who

45:30

boris johnson sent to the lord's

45:32

as a crossbencher despite

45:34

a warning from the security since

45:37

lebanon's of hampton and siberia

45:40

has never voted aside

45:42

from his maiden speech smeaton know

45:45

spoken contribution to the house

45:47

the have never officially donated

45:49

to the conservatives

45:51

or to boris johnson's campaign

45:53

the electorate eve or remain

45:56

gets nothing for if any lab

45:58

at a seat

46:00

on one man did

46:03

have a more than a decade as kenny

46:05

lapidus has used his evening standard

46:07

newspaper to flatter and

46:09

promote boris johnson

46:13

lord northcliffe whose family sold

46:16

evening standard to have any leopard as

46:18

joked that when he wanted a peerage

46:21

he'd only one like an honest

46:24

i'm not a rumor is not the newspaper

46:26

barn got his peers from the prime

46:28

minister on the advice of edward

46:31

decision

46:32

after he had given financial assistance

46:35

to the kings mystery these

46:37

anecdotes come from the historian

46:40

and roberts the has a track

46:42

record of brilliant history books

46:44

on the trail of newspaper columns

46:47

one of are excessively flattering

46:50

of boris johnson

46:51

comparing him to winston churchill

46:53

and celebrating his achievements as

46:56

glorious

46:58

the as an extract from an early one

47:01

from personal knowledge i can

47:03

attest that carry the first woman

47:05

to marry a prime minister in office and mary

47:07

chester tie the knot with robert

47:09

jenkinson in eighteen twenty two is

47:12

a charming intelligent and

47:14

highly altruistic woman with

47:16

likely to be an enormous help to

47:19

boris for decades

47:24

when i asked under of is for an interview about

47:26

boris johnson said as he he replied

47:29

with no thanks but

47:31

thanks i'll explain why in

47:33

october october is

47:35

significant

47:36

i then boris johnson's new peers

47:39

will be in their seats

47:41

hum will fall into the personal

47:43

loyalty category like andrew roberts

47:45

of canada but as david ross and

47:48

reportedly paul dacre editor

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in chief of the daily mail publisher

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a day before boris johnson was ousted

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the newspapers editorial said

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don't

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than without question the most extraordinary

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politician of his generation has

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the attributes to be a truly great

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prime minister the

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project whom a report cites

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paul dacre as an example

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of how controversial nominees distract

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the media from the actual number

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of peerages create and

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it's yeah in that category

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of political support

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that we should perhaps pay closer

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attention across

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his disappointment in fact distracted

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us from the prime minister's bigger project

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he put into the house of lords

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around ten brits the tears around

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my tongue tied her name a

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jacqueline fostered side

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come out who was an mvp with

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peter crowd this crowd this shows his

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boris johnson's willingness to ride

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out controversy to secure

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his legacy

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regular some of his lords

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have helped him personally both most

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