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also did study abroad in London, so I lived in

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remember eating amazing fish and chips, but I

1:00

also remember when we first arrived, a

1:02

bunch of students get off the plane and we go to

1:04

this sort of student orientation. And they said,

1:06

oh, we have sandwiches for you. And they gave us

1:08

these sandwiches that was, you're already covering

1:10

your mouth in heart. It

1:13

was two pieces of white bread.

1:15

Inside there was maybe a tablespoon

1:17

of cold shredded cheese, just like in a

1:19

lump in the center. One extreme,

1:21

the thinnest single slice of a

1:24

tomato that you've ever seen. It

1:27

was almost white, like the tomatoes were almost white. You could see right

1:29

through it. And that was it, that was it. What would

1:31

you do if right then I was like, yeah. I

1:33

was really into it, yeah. You want to pass my

1:36

seat. Right. This

1:42

is The Sporkfall. It's not for foodies, it's

1:44

for eaters. I'm Dan Paschman. Each week on

1:46

our show, we obsess about food to learn

1:48

more about people. This week,

1:50

I'm talking with actor Claudia Jessie. She's

1:52

best known for playing Eloise in the

1:54

steamy period drama Bridgerton, on Netflix. When

1:57

the show launched, Eloise became an immediate fan

1:59

favorite. which made Claudia a fan favorite by

2:01

extension. Her character is spunky, stubborn,

2:03

and a little subversive, all qualities that make

2:06

her stand out in a show set in

2:08

early 1800s England, when

2:10

young women weren't expected to have opinions. I had

2:12

never understood the fashion for feathers in

2:14

the hair. Why would a woman

2:16

want to draw more notice to the fact that she's like

2:19

a bird walking for a man's attention in some bizarre

2:21

issue? Bridgerton debuted on Netflix

2:23

on Christmas Day 2020. One

2:25

month later, 82 million households had seen

2:27

the show, making it the most watched original

2:29

series on the platform from that point. Season

2:31

two did even better, and season three is

2:34

out this week. As

2:36

you'll hear, Claudia has put a lot of

2:38

thought into how her character Eloise interacts with

2:40

food, which makes sense because even

2:42

when Claudia is not performing- I love

2:44

eating. Okay. Oh, Dan. Claudia

2:48

just gave me a very serious face when she

2:50

said that. That's not that.

2:52

I want it to be very clear. I

2:55

love eating. Like the minute I've

2:57

finished breakfast on that, I

3:00

wonder what I'll be having next. Yeah,

3:03

I bookend. That's all I think about. That's

3:05

sort of my punctuation throughout the day, is

3:07

food. But despite starring in one of the

3:09

biggest shows on Netflix, Claudia doesn't live the

3:11

typical Hollywood life. She doesn't spend much time

3:13

in LA. She rarely buys anything new. And

3:16

as she told me, until recently, she lived

3:18

on a houseboat in a canal three hours

3:20

north of London. Whenever I've said I

3:22

live on a boat, I'm worried people think

3:24

it's like a super yacht. Right. It's

3:28

like a seven floor super yacht. It's not

3:30

a canal boat. It's like

3:33

a floating corridor, really. It's

3:36

like six foot wide. Mine was 57 foot

3:38

long. And

3:40

tiny, tiny, tiny. And I spent

3:42

some time on canal boats,

3:45

like narrow boats that you can also call them, when

3:48

I was a kid. And I sort of just fell in love with the idea

3:50

of being on one when I was older. And

3:52

I also thought I'd never be able to afford to

3:55

live in a house or apartment or anything like that.

3:57

So I was like, this is a cheaper way of

3:59

living. And I can keep moving if

4:01

I get itchy feet or something. So

4:04

I lived on it for three years

4:06

and I loved it. I loved it with my whole heart.

4:09

Would you sail the boat around the

4:11

canals of England? Yeah, I've done

4:13

a lot of cruising. It's really fun. I

4:16

went through a tunnel that's like a 45

4:18

minute long tunnel. Freaky.

4:20

Wow, yeah. Is it dark in there?

4:22

Pitch black, pitch black. You're on the

4:24

water in pitch black tunnel? Pitch black.

4:26

The only lights are from your boat. So I've

4:28

got a headlight at the front of it and

4:30

then you switch all of your inside lights on

4:32

to sort of illuminate. And then I used to

4:34

throw fairy lights on top of the roof as

4:36

well, just to give me some extra light. And

4:39

then do you load up groceries before you go? Or

4:41

are you just like, are you pulling the boat up

4:43

to a Tesco or something? You can. But

4:46

shout out to Tesco. Yeah, there you go. You

4:48

like that? Yeah, you

4:50

can. So I was on my way to

4:52

that tunnel actually. And I

4:54

pulled up alongside and jumped into a supermarket,

4:57

picked up some bits, you can. But I'm

5:00

quite well-stocked. My cupboards are always, there's

5:02

always something that I can do. I

5:05

quite like doing that actually. I call

5:07

it like shelf sweeping, where you get

5:09

things that are like leftovers in your house and

5:11

you try and make something. So like you tell

5:13

me something that you might have mixed up recently,

5:15

cleaning out your pantry. I had a tin of

5:17

jackfruit that I hadn't used. So

5:20

I shredded that up with,

5:22

I had some like sun-dried

5:25

tomatoes. This sounds mad. And

5:27

I used a tin of baked beans and

5:29

a tin of tomatoes and some kidney beans.

5:32

And I tried to make some form of a chili,

5:34

which I put on a sweet potato. It sounds

5:36

very good. Well, do you know what? It worked out okay.

5:39

It worked out okay. But I wouldn't say

5:41

I'm, can I, I

5:44

think I'm an all right cook. I

5:46

think it's tasty and I can mostly keep

5:48

people alive. Sometimes I think the most exciting

5:50

thing about me is my job. And

5:54

then the rest is sort of embarrassingly

5:56

dull. I'm

5:58

not very, yeah. The poor and

6:00

I've been living on a boat qualifies

6:02

as novel. Claudy I beg your forgiveness of

6:05

more credit. Thanks damn I've thank you. Well

6:07

that the esta. Would. Cloudy and I

6:09

connected over Zoom for this conversation to is

6:11

one week into her first ever visit to

6:13

the U S. Of course I had asked

6:15

or she's eating. While so I'm

6:17

v can. And. Have been

6:20

send nine years. Listen,

6:22

I'm I'm proud of being vague. I'm proud

6:24

of the sometimes there is a pot my

6:26

brain. The guys are. Always. Had way it

6:29

a bit. To us

6:31

always I so ads educated see the

6:33

cause am at such a young age

6:35

because the night prior to guide vague

6:38

and us in I never really had

6:40

money, never really had access to any

6:42

like cool A Good Things that went

6:44

began and now I can get invites

6:47

all these lovely places and I can

6:49

afford things Now now I'm like and

6:51

that now you're vague. And. So

6:55

very dense. But

6:57

I will say that the best of

6:59

eat and as if he can cause

7:01

been here. Wow okay because I quite

7:03

like shit saved accept that successor I

7:06

quite like shit safety net like I

7:08

like good food. I suppose by

7:10

like I don't want a solid might write

7:12

my nuts who thing isn't to one a

7:14

solid but you guys do them really well

7:16

to the point where I want one like

7:18

I had er Vi Kan Caesar salad which

7:20

I was buzzing about. Least losses

7:22

on a separate spots.

7:24

About I had one here. Athleticism Ice delicious

7:26

thing in the well. I don't think the

7:28

Uk does. Attending we smashed site that.

7:31

I think we've got a really strong solid

7:33

game that shocked me and I just think

7:35

the probably like in English cuisine if you

7:37

can even was going to cook them probably

7:39

for a long term. yeah that likes of

7:41

the crap out of them like I want

7:43

to. bad mouth my mum who does all

7:45

of us. See. Of

7:47

as he kept his wealth as he kept us

7:49

off of the she was very busy. Will miss had

7:52

a lot to think about as she was doing a

7:54

single handedly so I think you know we It wasn't

7:56

like we grow up the unbelievable faces. sometimes I feel

7:58

like a memory of vegetables. The mad at

8:00

broccoli to name a lot. brutalize to

8:03

the aside and that are you don't

8:05

really want anything. To do with and then you

8:07

cook it. As an adult, you're not. Wow. It's supposed to

8:09

have color and come. To assess assess

8:12

the Esa. Claudia Group

8:14

in the nineties in Birmingham, England, industrial city

8:16

about two hours north of London for family.

8:18

moved around a lot both on land and

8:20

on the water a time see her family

8:22

lived on a boat Claudius who's who caught

8:25

the boat bug from her dad when she

8:27

was ten. Her dad left making her mom

8:29

a single parent to. Money. Was

8:31

tight Claudius mom but whatever she

8:33

made cleaning houses towards her kids

8:36

and their passions. for Claudia that

8:38

was performing arts, valet, viola, The

8:41

wasn't a lot of money left for food. but

8:43

or mommy do. My. Mom was really

8:45

good at like a spaghetti alla. nice to

8:47

know. I mean like a classic thing like

8:49

that and we city it's asceticism. much of

8:52

a things could cone be. Can.

8:54

Be fast and it's I must say

8:56

I was. Must. Com base

8:58

and peace We have corned beef

9:00

hash year. I'll do it a

9:02

little. It's more commonly like chopped

9:04

corned beef with my cited crispy

9:06

potatoes. Oh as opposed to mash,

9:08

potatoes are like an actual house

9:10

as you. Say

9:13

is it properly that sans serif his assets that

9:15

he is that brown sauce on that that I

9:17

used to. Really love and some has

9:19

put like a fried egg on top. We also

9:21

have like I can sit by my mom would

9:23

like make the tips. From. Scratch

9:27

And just realizing that tips isn't something.

9:30

Hot chips by tips and stuff

9:32

like side liang just endless. Yeah

9:34

because I don't want people think

9:36

my mom gave me eggs and

9:38

packets of prince race was dismissed.

9:41

Sits in the still a bit

9:43

like homemade I made at price

9:45

and i and then like. with

9:47

bread and butter and that was my site

9:49

that was that my absolute save as be

9:51

zero for the tips inside with bread and

9:54

butter one hundred percent and shit buffet the

9:56

right right said i'd say i've never had

9:58

it shipped but the all the highlighted the

10:00

way you say it, it's very lovely.

10:02

But it's very lovely. It's

10:04

just so English because it's like how

10:06

many different carbs and fat delivery systems

10:08

can we bring together here? How

10:10

many base things can you eat at one time?

10:13

Right, right. But I guess, yeah, we really do like

10:15

a carb. Clearly Claudia's got a

10:17

lot to say about food. But before our conversation, when I went

10:20

to look at her Instagram to see what she's been eating lately,

10:22

I found that she's not on

10:24

any social media. Another thing about her

10:26

that doesn't fit with what you might expect from an actor on

10:28

a hit show. In other interviews,

10:30

she's explained that staying off social media is a choice

10:32

she made a long time ago to protect her mental

10:34

health. She's struggled with anxiety her

10:36

whole life, and things were especially rough for her when

10:39

she was a teenager. I don't really feel like school

10:42

was my environment. I

10:45

felt really shy. I felt hugely

10:47

overwhelmed. Very

10:50

insecure. And I don't think that's

10:52

not, it's not common, is it?

10:54

Like, teenage years are crap. Like, they're just

10:56

crap. You just don't know what's going on. They're

10:58

desperately trying to fit in. I would

11:00

imagine that like school lunch, lunchtime can

11:03

be a time that's sort of like especially stressful when you're

11:05

trying to fit in. Yes. Also,

11:08

when you're poor, and you're getting like

11:10

the free school dinners, so there's like

11:12

a system if your family don't have

11:14

good income, that you can get supported

11:16

with the school luncheon from the government,

11:18

which is great. But it was

11:20

really obvious if you've got free school dinners, like

11:22

it was really obvious to the other kids

11:24

who was getting that. So that was always

11:26

a bit embarrassing, I'd say. I mean, I'm not

11:29

embarrassed of it now, obviously, but when you're a

11:31

child, when you're young and everybody

11:33

else has got passion, they can

11:35

go and buy extra bits. Like,

11:37

yeah, it's just, it's just hard when you're

11:39

poor. When Claudia was 14, she

11:42

dropped out of school. After that, she was

11:44

homeschooled by her mom, but her mental health

11:46

struggles continued. She started having panic attacks

11:48

and bouts of severe depression. Then

11:51

when she was 17, with the help of her aunt

11:53

and her mom, she got into Buddhism. For

11:55

nearly two decades now, she's practiced Nichiren Buddhism,

11:58

which involves a lot of She

12:00

says it's been hugely helpful for her mental health,

12:03

that it keeps her grounded when she's feeling overwhelmed.

12:05

Buddhism, I think it's definitely slowed me

12:07

down. It's given me space. It's the

12:10

same with like, I crochet. I

12:13

crochet, I love it, and it's like that

12:15

therapeutic, quite repetitive. I like that

12:17

sort of stuff. I'm curious how

12:19

that connects to like cooking and

12:21

eating. Like how do the

12:24

tenets of Buddhism influence your approach

12:26

to food? I

12:28

like to cook things that take forever. So

12:31

like a dal, or like a spaghetti

12:33

bolognese, or like a soup, or a

12:35

stew, or something. I like things that

12:38

I can sort of slowly go over

12:40

for hours whilst having something on the

12:42

telly, or listening to the radio, or

12:44

a podcast, or something. You

12:46

like things to simmer? Oh yeah.

12:49

Can we quote that? Claudia Jessie, she

12:51

likes things to simmer. That's

12:55

nice. I think my thing is,

12:57

and maybe this is with Buddhism, my practice,

12:59

and the way I cook, I

13:02

don't think we should do more than one thing

13:04

at a time. I think it's

13:06

overrated. I think it's probably unwise

13:08

as well. I think we're supposed to mostly

13:11

just focus on one thing at a time actually. That's

13:13

why I'm not on social media. One of the

13:15

many, many reasons I'm not on social media, but I don't

13:18

like too much at one time. What's

13:23

interesting is that recently I was watching

13:25

a YouTube video, and one

13:27

of the adverts came up, and the opening line was

13:29

like, when I'm on the go, I don't

13:32

have time to have healthy food. So

13:34

I pick up this, and I was like, whoa,

13:37

if we don't have time to feed ourselves,

13:39

we've all gone wrong, isn't it? We've gone

13:41

wrong. People are literally

13:43

like, I don't know how to feed myself anymore, so have a bit.

13:47

I'm like, oh no, that's what's happening,

13:50

isn't it? The

14:00

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14:21

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14:23

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14:25

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14:27

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14:29

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14:31

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14:34

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14:40

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14:55

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19:52

back to my conversation with Claudia Jesse. Before

19:55

Claudia knew she wanted to be an actor, she just

19:57

liked making people laugh. As a kid, she loved watching

19:59

the shows. like Whose Line Is It Anyway and

20:01

Moti Pritham. In her late teens,

20:03

she started emceeing at comedy clubs around Birmingham. That's

20:06

where she was discovered by a local playwright who offered her

20:08

a spot in a theater company. On

20:11

the night of her 21st birthday, Claudia acted

20:13

on stage for the first time. After

20:15

that one performance, she knew that was it. She

20:19

wanted to be an actor. So despite having

20:21

no formal training, no industry connections, and no

20:23

money, she left Birmingham and moved to South

20:25

London to try to make it in showbiz.

20:28

What were those years like? Oh gosh, so poor.

20:30

So poor, man. I had like four jobs. I was working as

20:32

a dog walker. I

20:34

used to have to wear a tracksuit and basically jump

20:36

out in the street in front of people and

20:45

be like, do you want these free tickets to a concert? I'd

20:48

terrify the public. Dog

20:50

walking was wicked though, I loved that. I worked at

20:52

a pub and I used to do

20:54

market research for things so I could get like 40

20:56

quid for like doing an hour. I'll tell you

20:58

one thing, Claudia, you're definitely very versatile. That's

21:00

a lot of different kinds of job to

21:02

have at once. Yeah. Zero

21:05

qualifications is not all right, isn't

21:07

it? Right. So

21:09

yeah, poor, but great,

21:12

like just working nonstop and then

21:15

trying to get an agent, which is hard

21:17

when you've got no experience, no

21:19

qualifications and no access or

21:22

opportunity. It took about a year,

21:24

but eventually Claudia found an agent that started

21:26

getting acting jobs. So

21:28

first she landed some recurring roles on TV soap operas.

21:30

A few years later, she was cast as the lead

21:32

in a police procedural on BBC One called Line of

21:35

Duty. Then, a decade into

21:37

her career, at the age of 31,

21:39

she started playing Eloise in Bridgerton. I'm

21:42

already brooding. I've been playing the entire day, Eloise.

21:44

Surely I can't be expected to bear this fashion to

21:46

the entire day. 17-year-old

21:48

Eloise is the black sheep of the Bridgerton

21:51

family. She hates wearing a corset and dreads

21:53

going to debutante balls. And most

21:55

of all, she's fed up with how limited her options

21:57

are as a woman. She wants to get an education.

22:00

travel the world and earn her own money. And

22:02

she turns up her nose at marriage and all

22:04

the hoopla that surrounds it, even as everyone around

22:06

her tries to get her to conform. My

22:08

rebellion is not some

22:11

party dress I put out to play a part, Mama, and

22:13

it is certainly not some accomplishment I have developed. It's like

22:16

singing or painting to help me

22:18

attract a suitor. I know

22:21

I'm a disappointment to you, so just allow me

22:23

to take my leave and go to bed. As

22:27

Claudia tells me, she wanted Eloise's rebellion

22:29

against expectations to include the way the

22:32

character interacts with food. I

22:34

wanted to make her eat a

22:36

fair amount. There's a great moment,

22:39

I think it's season one, where you

22:41

as Eloise are sitting on a big

22:43

Chez lounge eating a box

22:45

of chocolates, and your brother comes and

22:47

sits down and before his butt has

22:50

even hit the seat, Eloise,

22:52

you say, I do not share

22:54

my food. I do

22:57

not share my food. To me,

22:59

that was Eloise in a nutshell. But

23:03

it was a conscious choice for you that

23:05

Eloise should be eating a lot. I

23:08

love being Eloise and eating

23:10

on set. I think it looks

23:12

dynamic. I think Eloise would be

23:14

and eat it. She sort of

23:16

unsubscribes from what's expected of her,

23:18

I think. Everything about her, I

23:20

wanted her to walk differently

23:23

as well. She's

23:26

quite heavy foot. I thought I'd

23:30

really make her bowl about, swing

23:33

her arms a bit and stuff. I wanted

23:35

her to just be a young girl. I

23:37

wanted her to be a young girl who

23:40

eats food and who walks

23:43

how she wants, who sits how she wants.

23:45

Because when I first played her, she

23:47

was 17. So I wanted her to be 17. I'm

23:51

aware I'm very much not. So I

23:54

wanted her to speak quickly. I wanted her

23:56

to talk quickly because she's just saying what's

23:58

coming out of her brain. And

24:01

I wanted her to be a young girl, like a young girl.

24:05

And girls can be gross and girls

24:07

are funny and girls are sloppy and

24:09

silly and really fun.

24:11

Like, and I wanted her to be all of

24:13

those things, yeah. So

24:21

Claudia, while we're in the mindset of

24:23

Eloise, I'd like to ask you

24:25

to humor me

24:27

and take a little quiz, if you

24:29

will. Yeah, I will. Can you

24:32

see this? This is a Buzzfeed quiz. Which

24:34

Bridgerton family member are you based on the

24:36

desserts you pick? This is

24:38

so exciting. Oh my God, I'm

24:40

so excited. Okay,

24:42

great. I'm glad you're excited. Don't be nervous

24:45

because to me, like, you are Eloise, so

24:47

your answers are inherently correct. Whatever

24:50

you say is right. Okay. We're

24:52

not testing you, we're testing the quiz. We're gonna see

24:54

how good the quiz is. That's right, okay?

24:56

All right, okay, let's do it. So I'm gonna hit

24:59

you with these questions and then pictures of the foods.

25:01

I'll read them out loud and then I wanna hear

25:03

your answers. We're gonna see, but I want you to

25:05

embody the character of Eloise. Okay, will

25:07

do. All right, number one. Pick

25:09

a souffle, classic souffle,

25:13

cheese, chocolate, caramel,

25:17

vanilla sweet cream, or powdered sugar. Okay.

25:22

What was Eloise want? I feel like cheese.

25:26

I feel like she wants savory. I've made her eat

25:28

so many potatoes during the show. Honestly,

25:30

Dan, I've eaten so many potatoes. I'm

25:33

gonna go for a savory, a cheese. Okay,

25:37

number two. Pick a cookie. Chocolate

25:41

chip, marshmallow-filled

25:43

chocolate, macaron,

25:46

snickerdoodle, chocolate peanut

25:48

butter, or sugar. Well,

25:50

macarons are always on set as like

25:53

background stuff, right? We have like real

25:55

life macarons in the background, but they're

25:57

beautiful. However, it feels a

25:59

bit too. to get a bit too

26:01

refined and I feel like a snickerdoodle. I

26:04

feel like she'd enjoy saying it. I think

26:06

she'd make some sort of joke. So I'm

26:09

going to go with a snickerdoodle. Okay. Do

26:11

you have snickerdoodles in the UK? Never have

26:13

I ever seen one in real life. Okay.

26:15

Is it a snicker? No,

26:18

there's no snickers. I don't know where the name

26:20

comes from actually. It's just sort of like a

26:22

sugar cookie that's rolled in cinnamon and sugar. Oh,

26:24

it sounds beautiful. They're nice to say though, aren't

26:26

they? Snickerdoodles. It's a fun word. Yeah.

26:30

Moving on to number three. Cry cake. Pick

26:32

a milkshake. Strawberry. Salted

26:35

caramel. Kitchen sink, which

26:37

is just sort of everything. This is one of

26:39

those milkshakes that got big on Instagram with like

26:41

an ice cream cone and a piece of cake

26:43

on top. Triple chocolate.

26:46

Oreo. Or chia

26:48

blackberry. Oreo. Okay.

26:51

Why? Because I

26:53

also think she would find an Oreo

26:55

and dip it in peanut butter. I think she'd do

26:57

that as well. Can

27:00

I just side note as well? Yes, please. You know

27:02

those kitchen sink milkshakes? I

27:04

despise them. I

27:06

find them so obnoxious and like, because sometimes,

27:09

you know when they've got like a

27:11

shoe in it or something? There's

27:14

like a book, a shoe,

27:17

receipts, pencil shavings.

27:19

A smaller milkshake.

27:21

Yes. I hate them.

27:24

I find them so, so I can't,

27:27

I can't take them. So Bloody Mary's

27:29

went through a bit of a phase of that. They'd have

27:31

like a chicken wing and lobster hanging out of it. I

27:33

can't. Right. Three shrimp or

27:35

prawns on top. It's ridiculous. I'm

27:38

with you 100% Claudia. You know what's better

27:40

than a milkshake with a piece of cake on top? A

27:42

milkshake with a piece of cake on the side. Right. Right.

27:46

These things don't need to be together. It's like you say, you don't need to

27:48

be doing everything all at once. That's why it makes me so

27:50

sad because no one's having those normally. No one's enjoying it.

27:52

They're just taking a photo of them. That's right.

27:55

That's right. Tragedy. Tragedy.

27:59

All right. has been registered.

28:01

Okay, number four, pick

28:03

a type of cake for Eloise. Tiramisu,

28:07

French vanilla, vanilla

28:09

buttercream, chocolate fudge,

28:12

cherry cheesecake or

28:15

German chocolate? I think

28:17

she'd go chocolate fudge. You

28:20

know it's going to be delicious. I

28:22

could see them in the house somewhere on a little

28:25

dish on the side on a lovely pretty little china

28:27

plate. Please Dan.

28:29

Okay, you got it. Alright, I

28:31

think this is the last one here. You ready

28:33

Claudia? Yeah. Or should I say Eloise? Yes.

28:35

You need to pick a pie. Cherry,

28:39

pecan, apple, peanut

28:42

butter, pie, strawberry

28:44

or lemon meringue. I'm

28:48

going to go for a lemon meringue because

28:50

I think it would be her favorite or

28:52

something, something they love, a classic in the

28:54

Bridgerton household. So I'm going to go for

28:57

a lemon meringue please, Dan. Alright

28:59

Claudia, are you ready for the big reveal? Okay,

29:01

let's try. I'm going to do a quick drum

29:03

roll. You

29:06

are Anthony Bridgerton.

29:09

Wow. Anthony is

29:11

the oldest brother, very serious and traditional,

29:14

sort of the opposite of Claudia's character,

29:16

Eloise. So this quiz result doesn't make

29:18

a ton of sense. But Claudia is

29:20

okay with it. The actor who plays Anthony is

29:22

quite a hurtthrob. Listen,

29:25

I will take that. I will take that because

29:27

that means I'm a bit of Johnny Bailey,

29:29

which makes me really happy. This

29:32

makes me question the validity of BuzzFeed quizzes.

29:35

Oh yeah, so maybe they're not to be trusted. How

29:44

would you characterize the role of food in your

29:46

life today? It

29:49

is the greatest enjoyment in

29:52

my life. That's purely pleasure. Like it's

29:54

purely pleasure. It's got nothing to do with anything

29:56

else other than being

29:59

delicious. Also, I love the fact that

30:01

it's something you can do with others. Like

30:04

my boyfriend's dad said that he

30:06

saw something online saying like, finding

30:09

like your partner, like the love of

30:11

your life, you know, it's basically someone

30:13

that you can accept. You're going to say,

30:15

what do you want for dinner to for

30:17

the rest of your life? Like,

30:21

which is so nice because I feel like I can happily say that

30:23

to my partner. I'm like, I looked at him and I'm like, yeah,

30:25

I can ask you what you, what should we eat for dinner for

30:27

the rest of my life? I feel like I can do that with

30:29

you. Like it's

30:31

a lovely thing to have together. That's

30:38

Claudia Jesse. You can see her in season three

30:40

of Bridgerton, which comes out next week on Netflix.

30:43

Next week on our show, I talk with Michelle

30:45

Norris, the former NPR host, who now hosts a

30:47

podcast called Your Mama's Kitchen. Then Michelle and I

30:50

take a call from a listener who's struggling with

30:52

the way her mom's tastes have changed because of

30:54

dementia. That's next week. Why

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wait for that one? Check out last week's show

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about an auction for the recipes of legendary artist,

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Georgia O'Keefe. We'll find out why these

31:03

recipes are special and we'll see what happens when

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the auction does not go as expected. That

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one's up now. Now,

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This is fun. I love I love I love

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when things are served table side more restaurants should

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you can fillet the fish faster I

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don't know if I ever lost chef Eric. Let me tell you Filling

33:45

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