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This is a Global Player Original Podcast.

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It's boring, it's not. It's so difficult.

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But before you know what, it was

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the money. It was the reason why...

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Man United should have won all the titles. All

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of them. And the second, Chelsea.

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All the titles. And third, Arsenal.

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All the titles. We didn't spend much money in the

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last five, six years than us. They

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should be there. They are not there. Pep

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Guardiola there, dismissing the suggestion that

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Manchester City's Premier League dominance has

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become boring as they stand on

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the cusp of a fourth consecutive

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title. Meanwhile, Ange Postor-Cogloo has questioned

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his Tottenham side's ambition as City

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went top again during the week.

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So has Pep's dominance led us to a

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point where taking pleasure in our rivals' misfortune

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is the best anyone else can do? Should

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anyone ever tell a football fan how to

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support their club? And with Jurgen Klopp and

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Emma Hayes taking charge of their final games,

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how do you move on from a legendary

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manager? It's the last weekend of both the

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Premier League and the WSL season, so we've

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got a lot to talk about. So thank

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goodness the football writer Henry Winter will join

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us in the studio. Welcome to the Sports

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Agents. Hiya,

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Mark. Hi,

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Gabby. Welcome to Manchester.

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Thank you. That wasn't my very

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patronising way of kind of being in Manchester, by the way, which

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it sounds like this is a request from one of our listeners.

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And we always ask for people to get in touch. We do.

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And Howell Davis has done just that.

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He said, not so much a question,

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more a request. Can Gabby do a

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hiya, Mark? At the start

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of an episode, Alan Ninety's Radio One

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DJ's Mark and Lard, pretty please.

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I used to absolutely adore

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Mark and Lard and like

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literally. My biggest regrets: His

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I joined Radio Want the year

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after they had performed at the

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Radio On Christmas Party as the

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shy horses were some specified by

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the they did that at the

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Christmas party and Ninety Eight and

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I didn't join until Ninety Nine.

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But I off the nicest nice

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his men and they've just reunited.

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recently died saved unless he like

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my process know. If

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some out saw on done any do and

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on an evening when mark and lot because

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when they send a see what you started.

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Out hill with this Amos when they did that

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last radio once had there are the cut One

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of them are the catchphrases was stop. Carry.

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On that was what about because Isis

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when they did that last show they

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just went stop. And

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the know the other honestly I'm not as

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I say had to his mind that says

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Naga listeners an hour gunslinger that saying thought

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the most and an odd and they're gonna

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open up a whole new demographic on a

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severely out if you if you do says

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for Mark allows you will wonder how they

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got away with an office. Microsoft

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Susannah here where people to Iraq while out

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loud the ice as as you can eat

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i could hear you laugh at that had

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ruins I didn't realize you may have been

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a mark and loud. five bucks in the

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nineties. Yeah when I was. Also laughing at

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the thought that you are you so slightly was

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that you to enter them in the Nic. Nine

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out of thought I was in a wonderful

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year to I thank god well with my to

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see United done thought was a wonderful the Arab

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many many ways Henry was night he died lot

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headdress with us to talk about all sorts of

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different things with with the football with got

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a yet and club and I'm a hazel to

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Manchester City as well but we can start with

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Big Adams oh yeah we are. In the fall

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out from that Sunil deceased at home in one

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of the strangest Premier League atmospheres in recent memory,

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a quite a few friends there at and intended

3:44

it. Yes, I'm I'm My best friend is an

3:46

Arsenal fan. she was with a Spaz season ticket.

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Husband's right wearing. A navy capt pretending to

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have a C B S B S first fats and

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there was lots of that going on. I think where

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there was kind of like mix mixed emotions the as

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will get into. A lot of emotions

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that has displeased the Spurs, the manager and

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he appeared to question sort of mentality not

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not the players on the night mode anything

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say that they wanted to win and that

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was the same as as previous manager questioning

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what Spurs all about what's important to them.

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Let's have a little listens to be guns.

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And gloss Forty Niners reveal

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some my friends are some

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signs, wrong answer and sword

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inside the room and scream

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existing systems Constantinople I misread

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situations. Where asked? The

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new endeavor to become a winning team and

4:30

Us or swamp you. When

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you talk about Tottenham as he

4:37

was say in England or for

4:39

the movie or amazing it's amazing

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The club for making the decisions

4:43

and there's nothing but a missing

4:45

thousand of with a fairly soon

4:47

of of the southern fan of

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them. Get me wrong month The

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only club in my career well

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I don't have feel of the

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feeling. Is bottle. Of

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probably because the say the more

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the Mc coffee time or probably

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because his celebrity who fled me

5:05

when the final and win a

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trophy. But

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is only one because he's the first

5:12

time we make our is to see

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as you decide. This is. Why

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not? Because the i use this as

5:19

here are the the want to play

5:21

under pressure, didn't want to play under

5:23

stress. Or yes,

5:25

it's easy, it is ways and.and I'm

5:27

certain as such as these. Days

5:30

you as good as it easy. On him and

5:32

another one. So. It

5:38

is very easy as we've just done isn't

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It took some lump sum all. Together

5:43

but henry much might. My

5:45

feeling is that. They're.

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All quite. Different.

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I mean it's at that question the

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same things but they all come from

5:54

sources different personal agendas. I would argue.

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Yeah, it wasn't simply Tottenham fans, it

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was all finds me. The way through

6:00

the game going out will not very

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good up front. Always have an Arsenal

6:05

fans who a conflict save Watching Spurs

6:07

Spurs fans must have been incredibly conflicted

6:09

when humans on went through one on

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one on Ortega May.sights did they wanted

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to school? Did they want him to

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miss Le? It's a pretty unique set

6:17

of circumstances but I think the fact

6:20

that would be lectured by the media

6:22

we know that bought there was a

6:24

difference between tribalism and parochialism and tribalism

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actually wanting your opponents to i your

6:28

big rivals to lose? Absolutely. That's what

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defines many Finance button to once you

6:32

own team to lose. What sort of

6:34

message does that send out your plan

6:36

was on a message does that send

6:38

out to pasta? Cognitive is trying to

6:40

address the yeah that culture. That losing

6:42

culture and away within Tottenham Hotspur and

6:44

some of his predecessors has said the

6:46

same. It just feels so a counter

6:48

intuitive doesn't at it. He. Knows his

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support somebody or something and entity you

6:53

wanted to win whatever happens and when

6:55

the still something on the line as

6:57

it was dispersed potentially you know they

6:59

could have been chasing a big in

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a prize in Champions League football that

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as well salt. And just completely bizarre.

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I disagree with both of you.

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I I think is completely innocently

7:10

a specific is completely and utterly

7:12

understandable. I think sometimes when we're

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in I'm not accusing, I'm accusing

7:16

us of dentists bus as him

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when you're in them, in the

7:20

media or in the game as

7:22

him. Sometimes you could lose sight

7:24

of those passionate feelings as a

7:26

fan because more and more what

7:29

you do becomes a job. But

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when you when you have everything.

7:34

That goes on in in your heart

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and that overrules your head. And you've

7:38

got family members he might support the

7:41

other club or people at work or

7:43

those deep rooted. Dislike.

7:46

About as far as hated deep rooted

7:48

dislike of your rivals. If.

7:50

There was a trophy on the

7:52

line. I could understand this. I

7:54

don't believe that really fighting for

7:57

fourth place is. Beta.

7:59

carrot be sort of going, oh

8:02

well we must win this. And I take

8:04

Poster Cogley's point of view on mentality and

8:06

this is the club we want to be

8:08

and blah blah blah blah blah. But he

8:11

himself in the past has said, well I'm

8:13

not here to fight for fourth place, I'm

8:15

here for more than that. So I'm

8:18

not saying he's contradicting. The counter argument to that is,

8:20

you know, one of my friends who's a Spurs

8:22

Samuzaan had a conversation with him and he wanted

8:24

Spurs to win. He didn't care and he was

8:26

with his Arsenal wife and he didn't care

8:29

and maybe it was because he's with his

8:31

Arsenal wife. But he said he found

8:33

it asinine because, you know, the idea that then

8:35

the culture of your club is it's more important

8:37

for that team to, you know, to lose out

8:39

than it is for your team to learn to

8:41

have a winning mentality isn't this something that's ingrained

8:44

and that, you know, if you're prepared to just

8:46

throw it because of that moment

8:48

and in time, that's what it is a moment in

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time. And you could turn around and say to Arsenal

8:52

later, we gave you the title. Well you could

8:54

turn, yes, you could turn around and

8:56

say that. Absolutely. I just think, I

8:59

think your friend is doing it for an easy life at

9:02

home. That's probably the first

9:04

thing. I mean, I do take your

9:06

point on the winning mentality, but where's

9:09

the winning mentality been for their last, they've

9:11

lost five of their last six haven't they?

9:13

But should you be defined by your loathing

9:15

of your neighbour, by your rival? Surely you

9:18

should be defined by wanting to achieve things

9:20

yourself. And also we all though are, we

9:22

all though, aren't we? Well, there's

9:24

a little bit of schadenfreude in there, but also you

9:26

want to, well, it depends whether you're a glass half

9:28

full or half empty. I mean, I was at the

9:30

old firm game on on Saturday. Now that is a

9:33

rivalry defined by hatred. If you get

9:35

into the Champions League, you get what five, six

9:37

times as much money as you

9:39

get in the Europa League. That allows

9:41

you to invest if Daniel Levy to

9:44

invest, and that's another issue in

9:46

two or three elite quality players, which

9:48

will allow you to compete with Arsenal.

9:50

That's what they should be focusing on.

9:52

But look, I Completely understand the

9:55

emotion on the fan side and I

9:57

understand the frustration and this desire for

9:59

winning. Mentality on Pasta Coakley side,

10:01

but actually what they've got to do is

10:03

both sides going to come together, clear the

10:06

air, and move on forward together and also

10:08

recognize he was a pretty unique set of

10:10

circumstances on sees that. Celiac.

10:12

Us and the Ss. It made. The. Point that because

10:14

of the dominance. Of Manchester City.

10:16

And the fact actually the in the

10:19

last decade any seven English clubs have

10:21

won a major trophies The most football

10:23

fans the best they can hope for

10:25

is Schadenfraude is basically finding joy in

10:28

somebody else has demise which I know

10:30

it's it's been forever. The. Great

10:32

rivalries, but is this indicative actually of kind

10:34

of what it is like to be a

10:36

son Now Henry in in the top flight

10:38

of English football, but so I can be

10:40

on that the fight foot we do have

10:42

this. Magnificent. Manchester City team

10:44

brilliant manager and over and the fact that

10:46

they are effectively running in the dominating English

10:49

football sorely. If you take a step back

10:51

and thing utterly is better for that the

10:53

narrative of English cope with someone else wins

10:55

the or that the trophy also moment when

10:57

it for twenty is a know that's a

10:59

local frustration for Tottenham fans but actually for

11:02

the betterment of English football a change that

11:04

the top is good Site when Liverpool came

11:06

strong less the city was a magnificent guy

11:08

that was a romantic elements of i never

11:10

want to that's spots your you do once

11:13

too. Much as the city's at a

11:15

school else in as closely to and the

11:17

happened pushed it let's say biased on the

11:19

season them they to this to the fine.

11:21

I mean technically it's still going to sit

11:23

outside. Well that's another thing this discuss it.

11:26

I have to say that if I was

11:28

west Ham or everton other moment adding up

11:30

be a little bit pissed off at this

11:32

at this assumption that he and I give

11:34

them it's all I get that it's all

11:37

over. Yeah the whole narrative has beats. it

11:39

is all over now I'm you know I

11:41

think everybody everybody would agree it's more. Than

11:43

likely that both from when their

11:45

final. Games. On Sunday but

11:47

is no one hundred percent given and

11:50

and thus but the the coverage actually

11:52

over the last forty eight hours his

11:54

bible city of on the title he

11:56

answered a David Moyes light got with

11:58

a bang. You want

12:00

to they want was the Henry Totally

12:03

other was like the so slightly parts

12:05

analyzing perception of of Tottenham places that

12:07

sell just so rollover. roll out the

12:09

red carpet and have that that the

12:11

Thomas tickled sees it Gabi you competed

12:13

at an elite level these a competitive

12:15

creatures whether it's post the Copley, whether

12:17

it's the at the individual players. Similarly

12:19

that the teams that the weekends will

12:22

absolutely get everything over sort of on

12:24

the beats element or think that's quite

12:26

dismissive of professional. I think this is is

12:28

a it's a kind of at the divide

12:30

though, isn't it? Because yeah I totally agree

12:32

with any look at the way Spurs Innocent

12:34

sells out and they did a that I

12:36

wanted to win that game have I as

12:38

the players don't have that same entrenched rivalry

12:40

they didn't grow up. Most of them this

12:42

them the blast missouri know them growing up

12:44

hating Arsenal so they went there to lose.

12:46

And but it's it's the fans and the

12:48

players and the clubs and what they're aiming

12:50

for sometimes perhaps we as he said before

12:53

in the media probably sites as the different

12:55

aims. Of those and to Gabi that's on health

12:57

is as a civil war torn hosts but that

12:59

doesn't help. Besides that doesn't help us the coakley

13:01

that doesn't help their ability to move on a

13:03

Nazi silence arsenal but I you know was only

13:06

you have very I would sorry out just on

13:08

the Civil War. There's. No civil war

13:10

is that between fans, players, and pasta? Probably

13:12

not. No in a lot but he says

13:14

recession. Just. Attention because of what half

13:17

a dozen that the was the other night.

13:19

But I think in the bigger picture of

13:21

the season these hats is that if there

13:23

is qualified to be rightfully guys hitting mess

13:25

up for really good season as a day

13:27

but they'll probably have a great campaigned in

13:29

the Europa league as you probably be a

13:32

lot a lot of fun for us for

13:34

Tottenham the civil war is more between science

13:36

and levy a price Hikes was recovered on

13:38

on this show and and are therefore the

13:40

arguments of will qualify as a temp easily

13:42

get more money and and will spend on

13:44

players. Some fans. Might be skeptical that.

13:47

That's. What would happen? The culture of the

13:49

club's is between the hierarchy and the fans.

13:51

I'm the manager Islay, it was. The ambition

13:53

is that muscle the fun salt But you

13:55

have to flip that and say by not

13:58

qualify for the Champions League And I. It

14:00

also dislike tall order because of the excellence

14:02

of Aston Villa on dude I am rates

14:04

they've got even less chance of getting those

14:06

pleasant the got even less chance of ticket

14:09

prices being which is eye gravy on ticket

14:11

prices. I think it's Amos across the board

14:13

that clubs doing this post covert Costs of

14:15

Living Crisis and the fact that Sunny they

14:17

make the majority of my money three television

14:20

revenue and who provides a fantastic backdrop that

14:22

television pay so much for the funds but

14:24

that's that's as as a separate arguments but

14:26

getting into the Champions League in school has

14:28

to be that the pursuit. Of excellence and

14:30

the other thing which is the kind of backdropped

14:33

all of this which is rearing it's head is

14:35

a thing class you actually a Muslim as his

14:37

into our sang it I you mentioned lots about

14:39

Nottingham Forest and Everton. An easy is he scares.

14:42

His rounds the I read that what

14:44

the egg on Arabia brian taller and

14:46

is Gabby says with her many emails

14:48

along these lines whenever the points deductions

14:51

for Everton and Forest are discussed as

14:53

often though not always been almost a

14:55

stage cough and a saucer voice men's

14:57

own idol but de votre yes vote

15:00

Chase as the the time bigger types

15:02

so savant say bed said of the

15:04

one hundred and fifty charges pending against

15:07

Sissy what's going on? Where we? We

15:09

kind of know what's going on a

15:11

little bit. More perhaps in the last

15:13

week Dewey Henry because. We now at

15:15

have confirmation that there is a date.

15:18

At least we don't know. The dates but there is

15:20

a date for. The. Hearing coming up so that looks

15:22

like it's gonna be in the autumn is

15:24

that is that what you understand from what

15:26

Richard monsters who is of course the Premier

15:28

League see as said about one hundred and

15:30

fifteen charges when you say there was a

15:32

day to the to the all from a

15:34

we talking the Seal nexus one person I

15:36

think why constantly we often what's which Amasses

15:39

has been saying that it is this year

15:41

but with the verdicts next year's now given

15:43

the cert some of these allegations state but

15:45

two thousand and nine and is there is

15:47

a change of harmless in this country Will

15:49

have had seven point ministers. a time

15:51

when i tell us as you know

15:53

the get the game should be run

15:55

by administrators not my lawyers and the

15:57

fact that laws of got involved is

15:59

actually feel numb of sympathy for Manchester

16:01

City fans. If you talk to them,

16:03

they say, oh, why do you always

16:05

mention the 115 charges? And they said,

16:07

well, you've got to mention them. Manchester

16:09

City deny all allegations, and that's absolutely

16:12

fine. That's their prerogative. But I think

16:14

it must be frustrating for Manchester City

16:16

fans that every time they have a

16:18

trophy, every time they have another fantastic

16:20

performance, rival fans, coming back

16:22

to your old German friend

16:24

Schadenfreude, they will throw asterisks as well. They'll

16:26

probably throw obelisks as well. I mean, they're

16:28

having everything thrown at them. Not just

16:30

fans. I mean, Trent Alexander-Arnold kind

16:33

of cheekily kind of nodded to this, didn't he?

16:35

And what he said about winning trophies and how

16:37

satisfying it is, you know, he was talking about

16:39

the money that is spent. And then Pep, of

16:41

course, you know, has come back and said,

16:43

look, hang on, if it was on money,

16:45

we wouldn't necessarily be the one dominating. He's

16:48

obviously trying to protect his legacy because

16:50

he's just dealing with what he's dealing with

16:52

as a manager, isn't he? He's not dealing

16:54

with the financial irregularities. Chappas is

16:56

nodding his head here because he follows a club

16:58

which is not spent a billion pounds well, whereas

17:00

Manchester City have actually... Well. You

17:02

know, whereas Manchester City have actually, you know,

17:05

targeted their recruits and they do buy well.

17:07

They buy good players and good characters. But

17:09

I think it's embarrassing for the Premier League.

17:11

This is the greatest sporting club competition in

17:13

the world. And the

17:16

end of the season, everyone's going, well, are

17:18

they really worthy title winners? You are right,

17:20

Henry. I mean, I agree. I know lots

17:22

of, lots of mates for City

17:24

fans. I do feel for them

17:26

and have a lot of sympathy for them because they

17:29

are supporting their club. That's all they are doing. They're

17:32

not involved in all of this. I mean, there are

17:34

a couple of quotes I want to read. I mean,

17:36

the Richard Masters one, I

17:38

mean, you've linked it with, you know, the

17:40

number of prime ministers. The Richard Masters one

17:42

is, it could come straight out of the

17:45

thick of it or W1A actually. I mean,

17:47

we can't comment on

17:49

the case, the data set. The case will resolve

17:51

itself at some point in the near future. I

17:54

can't make any further comment on it. I mean, Blatty

17:56

might as well have just said nothing. I

17:58

mean, that's, yes, nothing. Minister's stuff. Yeah, it

18:01

is exactly that with a touch of Baldrick

18:03

thrown in I mean I

18:05

feel for him a little bit because Manchester City have

18:07

got very good lawyers They believe they've got a very

18:09

good case as we say they deny everything But

18:12

it's just embarrassing for the whole league

18:14

for this to be dragged on on

18:16

and on and on the fact that

18:18

the verdict Might not come out until

18:20

next summer. So that's what 14 months

18:22

away. They were charged 14 months ago

18:24

I mean that verdict can presumably be

18:27

appealed either way You know, we ought

18:29

to we ought to reiterate, you know

18:31

city deny all the hundred and

18:33

fifteen charges They are they are vehement that they

18:35

have got nothing to hide They

18:37

could tie themselves in knots here for still

18:40

many more years to come meanwhile

18:42

They go on winning doubles or trebles

18:44

and and at what point do they

18:46

go back and say well that one's null and

18:48

void Then you know those points are you gonna

18:50

arrange a style points deduction, you know where they

18:52

kind of fall down three leagues How

18:55

can this ever really be fair for

18:57

anybody? Well, I'll come back in three

18:59

four years time Gabby and we can we can discuss

19:01

the verdict when it comes in hot off the press

19:04

I think it's wrong The game should be decided

19:06

by like like today Phil Foden is is deservedly

19:08

getting that the football writers association football of the

19:11

year And we should be celebrating

19:13

his achievements, which we will but also

19:15

we have to remember the fact that

19:17

Their lawyers involved in this season and

19:19

that is sad because the game is

19:21

about sport The game is about the

19:24

the joy of a Phil Foden expressing

19:26

himself a sucker expressing himself James Madison

19:28

in possession And yet we're discussing who's got the

19:30

best cases and the other emotion as well, you

19:32

know While people are saying well, it's not fair

19:34

because this is all going on is actually

19:36

if you take all that away Does it get

19:38

a bit boring Henry when somebody's this dominant? Does

19:40

it start to I was chatting to Michael Johnson

19:43

the other night actually about this and he was

19:45

like we were discussing on the Podcast we were

19:47

talking about the NFL He was

19:49

saying this is what the NFL do so brilliantly because

19:51

it's a closed shot They never want dominance for a long

19:53

period of time They want to make it interesting because the

19:55

fans just won't take it now You can do that if

19:57

you've got a closed shot and if you control everything That

20:00

that the idea of just gets a.

20:02

Little. Bit boring when the same team

20:04

wins. While I spent twenty years covering

20:06

Sir Alex Ferguson's months, you see annoys

20:08

me when they were dominating everything and

20:10

they played fantastic football. Him rightly celebrated

20:12

I grew up watching lots of fun

20:14

but knowing the the ability of that

20:16

amazing Liverpool team. but weekly seventy seven

20:18

to up to eighty four a winning

20:20

European Cups winning titles they were outside.

20:22

Fantastic. We do have these great dynasties

20:24

we don't then go look down on.

20:26

sort of yeah I act when they

20:29

winning that European cups in the seventies

20:31

when by Munich others it. We should

20:33

celebrate those eras and also challenge of

20:35

the teams to to to respond to

20:37

them. But. We do then throw out

20:39

a mean for his been broken this

20:41

year in a by and winning eleven

20:43

on the trot. While thus thus opted

20:45

for the the Bundesliga in I know

20:47

there are a slightly different circumstances with

20:49

the Scottish premiership it has railed ssh

20:51

yes this of ranges are threats of

20:53

for a time dropped all the way

20:55

delighted to lead to because of their

20:57

financial problems and those United and Liverpool

21:00

team to eat of by Henry never

21:02

one more than three on the Spain

21:04

when it came to the domestic league

21:06

title yet now miss it's it's. It's

21:08

a fair point the let you grow up

21:10

in in Manchester Anne's that much as United

21:12

team what was it was a phenomenon and

21:14

they were so many good things that came

21:17

out of that seems to the England national

21:19

team. I'm talking about that the class of

21:21

much to oversee gigs with us with Wales

21:23

to thrilling football's that they produced and that

21:26

is my one frustration with covering Manchester City

21:28

at the moment because you are writing about

21:30

this amazing son signs that they spread on

21:32

the pitch but with the clouds in the

21:35

background. I don't see those preceding teams that

21:37

we talked about. That livable team of the

21:39

great local team the seventies and the much

21:41

as united team of Ferguson's ever had that

21:43

cloud. I'm scary this pet but

21:45

l a quote as well because he's obviously

21:48

in the thick of this to go back

21:50

six months from a lot. November Twenty Twenty

21:52

three and he said you are questioning light

21:54

We have been punished At this moment. We

21:56

are innocent until guilt is proved. I know

21:58

the people once her. No, I feel

22:01

it, wait and see it And after

22:03

the sentences been done we will come

22:05

here. And. I. Explain

22:07

it. He's. Frustrated

22:09

easily. A society but he's

22:11

also very cleverly using it as feel

22:13

so much as the city's far how

22:15

to motivate the team that keeps on

22:18

climbing Everest. You know what is the

22:20

hell the most it's it to do

22:22

after that. and he has got disability

22:24

because of his extraordinary dna to be

22:26

driven is so competitive but he's using

22:28

that like Ferguson. use it the media

22:30

against and the referee so dense than

22:32

the opposition. the color the strict was

22:34

against since top managers will pick on

22:36

anything to drive them on I guess

22:38

and I we have week after. Potentially

22:41

on Sunday Applaud Yet another.

22:43

Trying way car you counted as a means

22:45

by meeting crisis of a rice and not

22:47

lie about years and years and years and

22:49

David Moyes when he was months has United

22:52

did a press conference about aspiring to be

22:54

blood Month kind of wanted be like Manchester

22:56

City. I can't remember whether he said aspirants

22:58

but he really rankles with set with unlucky

23:01

with it and said i had read the

23:03

bus and run to with United fans by

23:05

this but he can't deny that diocesan the

23:07

benchmark and so nervous and the United at

23:09

United of recognize that and taken at take

23:12

a the chief exec from. There and

23:14

also via Southampton Titan Jason will

23:16

come from there. So united new

23:18

investors. I've seen what city of

23:21

dumb. It's. A fascinating are

23:23

evolving. But not in quicksand health.

23:25

South's Texas when it comes to Manchester

23:28

City's of the pits. since Elegans Less

23:30

Like so know some heart warming stuff.

23:32

Max Yep, and club at I'm A

23:35

House or Final Games in Charge will

23:37

talk about them both. and also this

23:39

historically difficult task. Would you look at

23:42

other legends of less football clubs about

23:44

trying to move on from that person

23:46

seasons? Scorsese's.

23:52

With. Topside and some

23:55

lot less. So

23:57

within a sofa bounce how you move on.

24:00

from an incredibly successful,

24:02

charismatic, dominant head

24:04

coach, manager of a football

24:06

club and build a new era because Jurgen Klopp

24:08

and Emma Hazer this weekend managing for

24:11

the final time for Liverpool and Chelsea respectively.

24:13

And can I just also add in how

24:15

Spurs have played a part in yet another

24:17

campaign here because of course Chelsea beat Spurs

24:19

mid-week to allow them to still be in

24:21

the title race. They look like they were

24:23

gone. Emma Hazer, they're gone, they were out

24:25

of it a few weeks ago. We go

24:27

down to the final day in the WSL as we

24:29

do in the Premier League. Thanks to Spurs. But

24:31

also, but also, but also to tie it

24:33

all in, Chelsea go to

24:35

Manchester United on the final day of

24:38

the season. So Manchester United, depending

24:40

on how they perform, could

24:43

win Manchester City the title. So

24:47

remarkably, it's all tied in together.

24:49

Yeah. So Henry, let's

24:52

start, shall we, with Jurgen Klopp and

24:54

his legacy and how Liverpool

24:56

are going to rebuild after such

24:59

an incredible character, charismatic man, a man

25:01

who really got the city and its

25:03

club. Well, for Arne

25:05

Slott, at least he's inheriting a

25:07

rebuilt midfield. He's inheriting some fabulous

25:10

players which Jurgen Klopp, you

25:12

know, we saw them in the in the

25:14

League Cup final. You know, you look at

25:16

Conor Bradley, you look at Jarel Quonset, you

25:18

look at Harvey Elliott, the quality of players

25:20

that he's leaving, which is slightly different from

25:22

the Ferguson Moyes transition and

25:25

Feingam, who's maybe slightly different. But

25:28

look, Liverpool losing more than a manager. You

25:30

know, you talk to Liverpool fans and when

25:32

they talk about it, it's like the end

25:34

of a long passionate love affair in

25:37

a way. It's very human. It's very

25:39

emotionally engaged and an almost traumatic. I

25:41

mean, Mark described it as heartwarming. I

25:43

think for many Liverpool fans, it's heartbreaking

25:46

because they will remember being in the

25:48

cop and looking at Jurgen Klopp standing

25:50

with Virgil van Dijk on one side.

25:53

Mo Salah wasn't playing with a never

25:55

give up t-shirt standing next to him

25:58

after one of the greatest results. in

26:00

European football, the 4-0 win over Barcelona,

26:02

Andy Robertson versus Messi, just extraordinary Trent

26:05

Alexander, Arnold Schultkorn, Origi and all that.

26:07

I mean it was just one of

26:09

those amazing occasions to cover and that's

26:12

as a neutral, so the emotional engagement

26:14

of those on the cop. Seeing

26:17

Jurgen Klopp standing in front of them, he

26:19

has given them so many memories and they

26:21

will look at him and they went, he

26:23

got us, he understood the community, he understood

26:25

that the job he had was more than

26:27

about being tactical. It was about just that

26:30

bond, that unbreakable bond between Doug

26:32

Elton and Klopp. And how

26:34

do you follow that? I mean good

26:36

luck to Arnie Slott, even with all

26:39

these nice legacies that Jurgens left him.

26:42

There's the Anfield Wrap and they're a website and

26:44

podcasts and all of that and obviously Liverpool fans.

26:46

I was listening to one of them quite early

26:48

on after Klopp had announced that he was going

26:50

before Arnie Slott had been approached

26:52

and so on and so forth. And they said what they

26:54

didn't want was someone coming in trying to

26:56

be Klopp Mark II just to come

26:59

in and be their own man. And I

27:01

do want, I haven't seen a lot of

27:03

fine or Henry, but they've obviously

27:05

targeted Slott for his style of football

27:07

being very similar to Klopp's. And obviously

27:09

they want someone to buy into the

27:11

city as well. But

27:13

he has to be his own man too, doesn't

27:15

he? And he has to be allowed to be

27:17

his own man. But he has to be a

27:19

strong personality. I mean you can't just sort of

27:22

go in there and be meek. You have to

27:24

go in there and engage. I agree

27:26

with you, he can never be Klopp. Klopp had

27:28

this incredible aura. He was a rock star. He was

27:30

a politician. I remember doing an interview once with him

27:32

and being in his office. And for

27:34

the picture, he had to take his shirt off.

27:36

And there were probably about 10, 11 people in

27:38

there. And there

27:40

was almost like Mick Jagger level swooning. I

27:43

mean it was just, he does have

27:45

this presence as an individual. I thought about doing that

27:47

when me and Gabby had this Force agents photo. He

27:51

is utterly charming. Thank you.

27:53

Well done. Do you know what

27:55

he is? He is fun. I

27:58

mean in the press box We always have this conversation. The

28:00

thought the as he most like to have

28:02

a a beer with the who'd you most

28:04

like some analysts I kind of hungry I'd

28:06

say holiday where you know that I'm not

28:08

somebody who use their. And time and

28:10

we were looking to spend a whole day and

28:13

the training grounds are making a film and having

28:15

lunch with his had nutritionists sitting in his office

28:17

discussing of. Record which I can

28:19

probably. Say now because he wouldn't I would say but

28:21

he said about it but his discussions. On bricks it,

28:23

for example, which I'm so you've. They didn't politics

28:26

with him and he was just fascinating. He really

28:28

thinks about society people, he understands what Liverpool means

28:30

to the community and that's not a way that

28:32

is learned, he just gets in there and he

28:34

just is somebody who I'm gonna sound like a

28:37

kind of in as slightly in love with the

28:39

man here but he is to somebody who are

28:41

as he was an English football was better. For

28:43

him being around it's a solid. He came at

28:46

the right time when we we need somebody like

28:48

the I know. He's had his run ins with

28:50

the press and me and and of late a

28:52

he's in. He's been quite interesting as of a

28:54

about. His press conferences I'm as a run as he said

28:57

things that people that will be somebody else get away with that.

28:59

During his he's able to push a little bit in the same

29:01

way soggy. Was I feel like maybe not

29:03

quite as angry as Gabi America? Really

29:05

good point though where you mentioned having

29:07

lunch with him as and you trust?

29:09

This was their everyone looks on cops

29:11

team and you see is that this

29:13

must swarm of everyone. Porn forward in

29:15

the chaos theory and gagan pressing. It's

29:17

underpinned by lot of science, sport science.

29:20

As the nutritionist they you know the

29:22

work they do behind the scenes to

29:24

throw in coast. There's a lot of

29:26

forefront of techniques in there as well

29:28

as our emotional engagement. I guess how

29:30

much only slow is able. To at sea

29:32

kind of keep hold of the science that he's brought

29:34

in all bring in his eyes as it's name or

29:36

as he mona him he nicked her from by Munich

29:39

i think we were groups or him from yeah and

29:41

thus. He said this is the most valuable person in this

29:43

club in front of the Unsc but he was kind of

29:45

make everybody. Feel that their role was so

29:47

important and the whole running of. That

29:49

operation that you could just see why people

29:51

would go the extra. mile for him

29:53

and want to achieve that you know greatness in

29:56

whatever they would do if he says of move

29:58

it slightly away from liverpool just summer Who

30:01

takes over that mantle in

30:03

the Premier League now of that kind of manager

30:06

everyone would... What's going holiday

30:08

with? What's going holiday with? You and me, Henry, just

30:10

want to have a beer with. Going back to the

30:12

original point at the start, I kind of always look

30:14

at Posto Cogne and think, do you know what? Yeah,

30:16

even though I've backed the Tottenham fans earlier, I always

30:19

look at Posto Cogne and think, oh yeah, I do

30:21

agree with you on that. You do talk a lot

30:23

of common sense. I would probably like to have a

30:25

beer with you. I'd definitely throw Sean Dyson to the

30:27

mix. I know he's not sort of a league, sort

30:29

of Champions League level, but as someone who speaks sense,

30:31

someone who cares about the clubs that he works for,

30:34

someone who's not just in it for the money, someone

30:36

who's emotionally engaged with fans and players, someone

30:38

you would definitely have a drink with and

30:40

also talk with. Yeah, you have to go to a gig

30:42

on a gig. Absolutely, yeah. He'd be trying

30:44

to check out whether Hacienda was still open. Unfortunately

30:48

not, Henry. Flats now, isn't it? Now it's

30:50

been turned into flats, yeah. Is it? Yeah.

30:54

Is it? I'll tell you all. Are

30:56

we anywhere near that now? Still got a waterfall

30:58

in Old Trafford though. Yeah, well, very good. Very,

31:01

very good. On to Emma Hayes.

31:03

Yeah, well Emma Hayes obviously has

31:05

her dominance in terms of titles,

31:07

six WSL titles, five women's FA Cups

31:09

over 12-13 seasons. She

31:12

has been the dominant manager. She set

31:14

the standards. That's why she's going off to

31:16

manage the most successful international side in women's football.

31:18

I mean taking on the USA is a huge

31:20

job in itself. It's like going into a Manchester

31:22

United or Manchester City, isn't it, in terms of

31:25

legacy. I think she's

31:27

also transcended the women's game

31:29

in terms of her appearances on

31:32

things like ITV's World Cup

31:34

coverage. She's not scared

31:36

of putting punches as she. She's very outspoken.

31:38

I think she's done so much to advance

31:40

the women's league in terms of our perception

31:42

of what it is. And also Chelsea themselves.

31:44

So that's what I was going to ask

31:47

you actually. Just

31:49

because of the nature of how

31:51

long it's taken to grow the women's

31:53

game historically, What isn't

31:55

Liverpool Because there was a Liverpool before

31:58

him and so many great managers. An

32:00

unpleasant side with no, not sort of Chris

32:02

as anybody that's come before I'm a haze

32:04

bought. See, I'm Hayes is Chelsea? Yeah cause.

32:07

The. Growth and The Eternal. They weren't training

32:09

at Cobham when she's as to how. All

32:12

in all of that, So actually. Stepping.

32:14

Into her shoes. On

32:17

the one hand, you precise goods be

32:19

a lot harder because she is Chelsea.

32:21

but maybe. She's got Chelsea

32:23

to a stage where the next person doesn't

32:25

have to be. Decided yet. So

32:27

you don't have to. sorry, could you taught? I'm

32:29

a haze and I do. You have any seats

32:31

she carries. A lot seen as it. How? a

32:34

lot of that responsibility? And see, I think that's

32:36

wait quite heavily as well you know in the last

32:38

few years as well as being the driver of the

32:40

team on the pitch being the. Driver of women's

32:42

Football and the driver of that club

32:44

to understand. The importance getting Chelsea's women onto

32:46

the pitch at Stamford Bridge the next. And

32:48

those big nice I've had in the league

32:50

and the Champions League. There as well. that's been same

32:53

point on I know. also the doing. That and it's just

32:55

announced that gonna do that for every game which

32:57

is amazing at the Emirates next season but all

32:59

of that I think ways quite heavily the the

33:01

next person I guess doesn't have to do that

33:03

As you say they can come in and focus

33:05

on the pitch but also her recruitment and the

33:07

ability to bring up like sent her to Chelsea.

33:10

You know that that is huge and that's a

33:12

personality that can do that as an end and

33:14

I think that's gonna. Be a challenge for

33:16

the next manager. For definite echoes with Club

33:18

the the people skills that she's got me

33:20

front Kirby's to buy The cow Colonies talked

33:23

about the issues when they were vulnerable at

33:25

moments during their lives. They saw more than

33:27

a manager and Emma Hayes to look after

33:29

them. They found a friend they found was

33:31

like us of sister who were just look

33:34

after them and just so tight and three

33:36

because you know she's been through some difficult

33:38

moments in her allies and I just think

33:40

it's not just Chelsea story and the haze

33:43

leasing. This is a huge national story for.

33:45

women's football generally because she is just

33:47

driven this the women's football wouldn't be

33:49

in this place with i am a

33:52

haze his personality her tactics are supremely

33:54

competitive approach to are set to trophies

33:56

and winnings and also behind the scenes

33:58

again echoes of It's not

34:01

simply about this sort of you know big

34:03

personality driving the players on their sports science

34:05

in them You talk to the players and

34:07

they say some meeting after meeting, you know

34:10

things like Hormonal supplements when

34:12

the players are having their period, you know,

34:14

just the marginal gains the sports aren't she

34:16

was so good Oh, isn't she I think

34:19

as well. That's why she's always said she'd

34:21

never manage England I think she does. Yeah

34:23

sees herself outside the men's team women's team

34:27

Good point, but I think she wants to stay outside of the

34:29

FA I think she likes being a bit of it

34:31

what she sees an interloper well, and even though

34:33

obviously the USA is a massive job, maybe it's

34:35

a slightly

34:37

quieter life for

34:39

her because The

34:42

USA game and national game

34:44

domestic games is more Have

34:48

to talk about every issue going and concentrate It's

34:50

a different kind of pressure isn't it? She's got

34:52

to deliver She's got to deliver an Olympic Games this

34:55

summer, you know, she'll step straight into the you know into

34:57

the fire there She'll be into a day

34:59

with a bit disappointing the last time at the Olympics

35:01

They really see that as an important kind of

35:03

marker in their progress So she's going to be running

35:05

as soon as she arrives But I think she enjoys

35:07

that challenge of building teams and putting teams

35:09

together to play tactically and beat the opposition

35:11

That's the thing she loves, you know We

35:14

talked about who who replaces Klopp as that person

35:16

within the Premier League I think there

35:18

are two questions on the for the women's

35:20

super league, which is one who

35:22

becomes more of that figurehead

35:25

for women's super league and who's going

35:27

to drive that who where do people

35:29

go to for those now

35:31

Emma isn't there But also

35:33

there's also an interesting discussion to be had

35:36

Arcelor managed by a man Manchester

35:38

United managed by a man Manchester City are

35:41

managed by a man It leaves a massive

35:43

void on the female coaching side. Yeah, I

35:45

think something that you mentioned Karen Carney She's

35:47

talked a lot about this and she and

35:49

her report was all about actually the importance

35:51

of bringing through more female coaches to this

35:54

level And it it's difficult isn't it

35:56

for clubs to if they've got aspirations that

35:58

are they gonna wait a few seasons? for

36:00

that coach to come through or do they want

36:02

success now and for the first time in the

36:04

last couple of seasons I've noticed you know fans

36:07

talking about their manager in more disparaging terms in

36:09

the women's game because the tone has become a

36:11

lot less kind of... Well there were banners

36:13

for Mark Skinner to go at and ask for

36:15

that. Mark Skinner obviously hasn't signed his contract yet

36:17

that that FA Cup victory might well kind of

36:19

seal that deal for him but Jonas Iderwald as

36:21

well at Arsenal you know there are fans going

36:23

well okay well he's had his time we're not

36:25

winning anything so is it time to move on

36:28

and the women's game didn't always have that tone

36:30

in the past when it was building. But Gary that's a

36:32

reflection on how successful

36:34

it is. I mean I think when we see women

36:37

players and we don't want to see but when

36:39

we see women players diving and arguing with the

36:41

referee we'll go wow it you know it really

36:43

has arrived I actually think what they want is

36:45

the perfect balance at the moment because I know

36:47

a lot of friends who take their kids to

36:49

women's games because they're great role

36:51

models. On your point about the

36:53

sort of paucity or the absence

36:55

of a real steady flow of

36:57

women stepping into the

37:00

coaching jobs we can also celebrate

37:02

the lionesses that the role models

37:04

are absolutely dotted around the actual

37:06

pitches as well as the dugouts

37:08

and that generation the Leah Williamson generation

37:10

Steph Orton's obviously a stage ahead of

37:13

them ultimately they might think well

37:15

I can go and do my foundation work I

37:17

can go and do punditry or I can go

37:19

into coaching the football association not stupid they will

37:21

be fast tracking them they will be helping them

37:23

with pro licenses and when I do the media

37:25

training for for part the pro license at St.

37:28

George's Park more and more women on the course

37:30

and more and more needed so I think there's

37:32

an evolution I take your concern Gabby but I

37:34

think there will be an evolution and we will

37:36

see more women taking up the

37:39

roles. Do you absolutely grill them on that

37:41

media training? Do you turn into Paxman?

37:43

Honestly it's absolutely brutal because we take the

37:45

worst case scenario so we had Ashley

37:47

Cole in there a couple

37:50

of years ago and we set up the

37:52

scenario for the press conference is that he'd

37:54

just been tapped up by by Chelsea and

37:57

he just all burst out laughing and he said Well,

38:01

I know a little bit about this. So that's the

38:03

FAA. So we give them the worst-case scenario and look

38:05

there's some fabulous talent coming through on the The other

38:07

thing as well as Carla Ward

38:10

who's Aston Villa's manager leaving and she

38:12

has cited the balance of life and how

38:14

difficult that is with a family and To

38:16

do that and Emma Hayes has talked about with

38:18

her son You know, she she at the moment that

38:20

kind of has a two-hour commute to work every day And

38:22

that's her you know choice to live where she

38:25

lives But she said that's where family support is and

38:27

she she wants to see more of her son growing

38:29

up and part of that Decision to go to America

38:31

was based on that. So I think there's

38:33

a there's a factor and it's just societal

38:35

historical You know because you could argue men

38:37

miss their kids too when they work But

38:40

it's it's it's that kind of balance I think that

38:42

that women sometimes in high profile

38:44

and high kind of jobs that take a lot

38:46

of time and energy and take over Your life. I think

38:48

it's very I think it's very much a work in progress

38:51

Gaby I totally agree on Emma and that pressure

38:53

and she wants to spend more time with her

38:56

son I understand that but also look at Jurgen

38:58

Klopp. He's looked hard We sometimes

39:00

forget the pressure these individuals are on

39:02

the unseen pressure dealing with

39:04

all the sort of you know, the criticism on

39:06

social media the criticism from from people like me

39:09

the sort of that You know having to work

39:11

with owners who are the other side of the

39:13

world having to deal with agents with parents with

39:15

with occasionally Stronky players, there's a lot of pressure

39:18

I mean, you know, it's not like I wasn't

39:20

saying this was just women. I think when you've

39:22

got young kids It's a managerial thing. I know

39:24

you occasionally worry about the health We remember when

39:26

Sam Allen guys got wired up and yeah, yeah,

39:28

and for all managers It

39:32

becomes all consuming doesn't it because it's a 24-7

39:34

job You don't you just don't

39:36

switch off and if you do switch off and have

39:39

a life balance You're probably not doing very well at

39:41

your job. Well, no, but also what happens is whether

39:43

the managers get sacked They normally take sort of six

39:45

weeks to mark unless they go straight back in six

39:47

weeks two months And then quite a lot of them

39:49

then sort of become available for media work And I

39:52

think the number of times over the years where our manager

39:54

has had six weeks out and then come in to do

39:56

something On the radio or the telly with me and the

39:58

number of times I must have you're looking

40:00

well. Well, yeah, I haven't

40:03

been managing a football club for the last six

40:05

weeks, strangely enough. I've got some glow back in

40:07

there. Yeah, it's interesting because Wayne Rooney's been doing

40:09

a bit of punditry and he was asked, I

40:11

think, on one of the FA Cup games by

40:13

Gary Lineker about going back into management. And

40:16

in spite of the fact he's had a

40:18

really tough time of it and he probably

40:20

doesn't really need to work again, he really

40:22

wants to make it work, doesn't he? And

40:24

he wants to be a successful manager. So

40:26

it's also, as well as being incredibly draining,

40:28

hard, all consuming, a drug that some just

40:31

can't give up. But Gabby, why should we

40:33

be surprised? I mean, you know, you know a

40:35

lot of elite athletes. You're married

40:37

to one. They don't suddenly sort of switch

40:39

off the adrenaline just when they walk off

40:41

the football pitch or the rugby pitch or

40:43

wherever for the last time. These

40:46

are competitive creatures for life. Henry, we will let

40:48

you go there. Thanks very much. Good to see

40:50

you. Pleasure. Good to see you. I'll be back

40:52

in five years for the Manchester City Update. I

40:54

look forward to it. If you could, just pencil

40:56

it in your diary for us, Henry, will you?

40:58

See you at the Men's Euros. We're

41:00

going to take a little break. When we

41:02

come back, one of the biggest fights, inarguably,

41:05

well, this century. Oh, yeah. Of

41:07

course, the River Century. Yeah, left 25 years.

41:09

Coming up this weekend and we'll have a

41:12

little chat about, well, parents of boxes. The

41:16

sports agents. The

41:19

sports agents. Disrespecting my son. The best heavyweight

41:21

ever wear a pair of boxing guns. Coming

41:23

out with all that rubbish. You know, he's

41:26

in my face, trying to be clever. What's

41:28

Spartan a confrontation? Then coming into your space?

41:30

Yeah, coming into my space. You

41:32

sick, you sick. Nobody's bothering with them. I was

41:34

only trying to mew someone's name. So they'd step

41:36

closer and step closer. So at the end of

41:39

the day, I'm a warrior. That's what we do.

41:43

That was John Fury, who

41:45

was defending his headbutting incident

41:47

in the melee of a press conference ahead

41:50

of this weekend's fight, which of course

41:52

is Usyk and Fury. It's the fight

41:54

that we've all wanted to see. It's

41:56

the fight that boxing is needed. I'm

42:00

not sure all I could think of

42:02

is Tyson probably go, dad, god, dad,

42:04

he's flat out. He actually said, didn't he, I

42:06

think what was the quote he said? He said, I didn't see,

42:08

he went very arse and blinga. I

42:11

didn't see anything. I was in the room doing interviews

42:13

but I'm not here for all that. I'm here to

42:15

get the job done and go home and rest. That

42:17

was the bit of the sentence, of the quote rather,

42:19

that I was intrigued by actually. I want to

42:21

go home and rest. He's thinking about the end

42:24

in the process of this fight. He's not kind of

42:26

hyped up himself is he? He's like, get the job

42:28

done and go. But of course, the

42:31

likes of Frank Warren and everybody

42:33

who's around this fight, they don't mind a

42:35

little bit. Oh, no, it's all part and

42:37

parcel of it, isn't it? I can understand

42:39

him wanting to go home and rest actually.

42:43

The footage I've seen of him and the picture I've

42:45

seen of him, he looks as fit

42:47

and as strong and as healthy

42:49

as I think I've seen him before a

42:51

game. He looks him really, before a game,

42:53

before a fight. He looks him really, really

42:55

good, Nick. He understands the importance

42:58

of this. Because of

43:00

course, it is the first undisputed

43:02

heavyweight battle fight that could

43:04

be unified about since 1999

43:06

and the very first of the

43:08

Four Bell era as well. So it is

43:11

a historic night for boxing, British boxing potentially

43:13

as well. Are you having a boxing party? No,

43:15

I'll just watch it on my own. I

43:18

think last time you had, this sounds really

43:20

dodgy, you had 11 11 year olds. Yes,

43:24

I have. Tell you what,

43:26

I had my daughter's 10th

43:28

birthday sleepover the night of

43:31

Auntie Joshua's one. That's

43:33

exactly it. So I still carry the

43:35

scars of that sleepover and having to

43:37

deal with everything. So just the peace

43:39

and quiet of being able to sit

43:41

at home with a beer and watch

43:44

it. That's all I crave for this

43:46

one. I hope you don't get any

43:48

overnight, any sleepovers. Luckily,

43:50

the older ones mid GCSE. So

43:52

she's definitely not having any party. No,

43:55

I'm fair. When you do GCSEs, I remember

43:57

thinking that was the time you really wanted to start

43:59

partying. such a cruel juxtaposition isn't it?

44:01

So maybe she needs to let her hair down. Not

44:03

this weekend, still plenty of GCSEs to do.

44:07

Don't you go putting ideas into her

44:09

head now, we're nearly there. Now we

44:11

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44:13

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44:16

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44:18

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