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This is a global player Original podcast

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My dad was extremely open. I used

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to see in when we have pointed

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lots of managers before it a point

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them or when agents would come to

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the house to negotiate deals and thing

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and that's the way it was a

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very important part of mine and my

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brothers education. If we were ever going

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to be involved in football. As

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by a Munich announce Vincent Kompany, Chelsea

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turn to Enzo Maresca and Barcelona A

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Point has a flick. The job of

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finding the right fit for a head

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coach who's brand of football excites the

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fans who's force of personality could swear

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dressing room and more more it seems.

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Someone who's basically worked with Pep Guardiola

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has never been on. Her. After

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parted company with David Moyes, for

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you learn a Lot at A

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D earlier this month, the West

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Ham direct to Jack Sullivan joins

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in the studio for an insight

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into how these crucial internal decisions

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really happen. Not only that, but the

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due diligence involved in buying players and

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people to represent your football club, voting

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alongside the other nineteen Premier League clubs

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and that balance between self interest and

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supporting the rest of the. Pyramid Welcome

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to the Sports Agent. The

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Schools agents. With Gabi Logan unlocked

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Shot men. And

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I Mark I Gabi How you. Very well

1:29

indeed. It feels like a we talked so

1:31

much about how the manager America was kind

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of in. I'm going to full swing in

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that it's all sorts itself out and on

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the men's side of it, but the women's

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I'm not. Interested. In Nevada has a

1:41

has nearly sort it out on the men

1:43

side. although we're still waiting for Manchester United,

1:46

tell us what they're going to do, You

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going to hang onto him? Well the honestly

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your guess you'll just as good as mine.

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So mote most of the managerial merry go

1:54

round. Two swords bespoke the women's go. So.

1:57

Chelsea have announced the successor.

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The Emma Hayes who's already fully ensconced it

2:02

would seem in a luxury office in New

2:04

York. During interviews and having a great time

2:06

as head coach said the Us national side

2:09

and at they have appointed Sonia bump us

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to who is set a was of Leone

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head coach she was a H. How. To

2:15

be set up there for about eight years and eminent

2:17

player. Of one hundred and fifty six

2:19

caps the from some she won the

2:22

Champions League. As a player and a

2:24

manager she seems like a really good

2:26

appointment and I have recently read about

2:28

her and everything you hear about it

2:31

is how driven see is how competitive

2:33

see is both as a player and

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as a coach said as you say

2:37

her her record both as a player

2:40

in a coach's son nominal as if

2:42

you will be really interesting to see

2:44

how are having as we talked about

2:47

before how lose. In this figure head

2:49

to the clubs and this seat ahead

2:51

of the game in the Wsl. How

2:53

following her will affect someone even as

2:56

experienced and as successful as Bumper Store

2:58

and Sees also I think very good

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at dealing with big name players. Leon

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have had many many of the world's

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greatest place in their the most dominant

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team in the women's game. Boss owner

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of recently of see serve them. They've

3:12

won three of the last four champions.

3:14

League but also an interesting ownership. Other we

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we talked about the owner of the the

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women's team at. Leone and Michelle Tongue, who's

3:21

a business woman who has decided to

3:23

kind of remove them from. At

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the men's club and is She wants a totally

3:27

new identity for them. new ground and so in

3:29

a tough ownership as well. That's an important. Thing

3:32

is that be able to deal with

3:34

the demands of that doesn't since he

3:36

took about them being as how leon

3:38

separate themselves from the men's side as

3:40

I understand it in all of this

3:42

sort of announcement about bomb pasteur divorce

3:45

have been other announces on the Gabi

3:47

this some of the commercial side of

3:49

it will will be. Separated.

3:51

At a bit more to try

3:54

and help the Chelsea women sites

3:56

increase their commercialized city and that

3:58

benefit from their own. Commercial

4:00

success of the the old just doesn't go

4:02

into one Paul and then half of it

4:04

goes out to the or more than half

4:06

it goes up the mess So is strikes

4:09

me as though they're trying to implement more

4:11

autonomy for the women side of things are

4:13

more than just football on the commercial side

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as well. Yeah, and they've also as we've

4:17

seen the season, ventured to Stamford Bridge a

4:19

lot more. Nine said have been getting a

4:22

lot more gate receipts in a than they

4:24

previously would have anything if they just stick

4:26

things Meadows so he can see how they

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must look Arsenal. He's got that Ill Matty

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Ice. Sponsored which is a make a

4:32

brand new node using products and brands

4:35

that are directly. Targeting women, nothing is really

4:37

interesting. kind of gross development of the women's

4:39

game beginner, not just talking. on to men

4:41

sponsorship sites and those you know, a different

4:43

kind of thinking doesn't it and a difficult

4:45

to commercial. Depalma. Here is is you don't have to

4:48

tell me that some I took bronze. Come

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across it all right ice as a final

4:53

say which is also what we saw some

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as well on this puppy for is. It

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does feel important. That. They

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appointed a woman as their head coach partly

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because of the landscape elsewhere within the Wsl

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you know are also caused by man and

5:07

and months has united are a months, has

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city or in Liverpool are in at Tottenham

5:12

are do you think that I'm a haze

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had very much hand and aca she said

5:16

she was going to be involved in the

5:19

appointment in terms of being a hard time

5:21

being sought and us are proven almost for

5:23

this is she has said that you know

5:25

she was involved to think that would be

5:28

one thing that she was a Ottoman Hudson.

5:30

I don't know us who she will have just one

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and how I'm a songs by the same she would

5:35

just want to the best person. For. The

5:37

job a kind of same don't you. Yeah,

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I do, but I also think she would

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be. A hopeful they could find a

5:43

good woman L the see this a lot

5:46

since happening there is the Frankfurters leaving am

5:48

yelled as leaving you know said this that

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a bit of a turn with players as

5:52

well. So an. Interesting time she's she's leaving

5:54

at that that a team he just wants

5:57

dominantly. one the french top league obviously

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leone and She's joining a team who narrowly

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won the WSL. I think

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she'll find it a much more competitive landscape. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Next on the pod, we will

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switch to the men's side of things.

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Company has gone to Bayern,

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Maresca, to Chelsea, Flick, to

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Barcelona. And this was all

6:17

started actually earlier this summer with Lopategi going

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to West Ham to replace David

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Moyes. In a moment, current West

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Ham director Jack Sullivan will join us in

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the studio for an insight into how that

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process and much else actually gets decided at

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a Premier League club. The sports agents.

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The sports agents. With Gabby Logan

6:39

and Mark Chapman. Welcome

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to the sports agents, Jack. We're discussing

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a week ago all these big names in football,

6:48

moving around the managerial merry-go-round West Ham got in

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there early, didn't they? You sorted it out before,

6:52

you know, you could get involved in all of

6:55

that. Yeah, I was going to say it's very

6:57

strange, the start of a summer, it's more interesting. The

7:00

manager transfer market compared to the

7:02

players one. Yeah,

7:04

no, we obviously, Lopategi's

7:07

come in and I met

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Julian last week for

7:11

the first time. And he

7:13

seems very much up for the challenge full

7:16

of energy. And as I said

7:18

to him, we've got a few weeks on

7:20

everyone else. So there's no excuse to not

7:22

have a good pre-season, which is good. And

7:26

he's come with a

7:28

great pedigree and a point

7:30

to prove as well after obviously leaving

7:33

Wolves maybe a bit prematurely than what

7:35

he would have liked. And he's been

7:37

at Spain, Real Madrid, won the Europa

7:39

League with Seville. And we're excited to

7:41

work with him. And I think the thing

7:43

that we want to get into is working

7:46

out how you decide. You've just listed there

7:48

many attributes, great successes, how

7:50

you work out that he's the right person

7:52

for West Ham on the one hand, but

7:54

also that David Moyes was no longer

7:56

the right person for West Ham. So should we

7:58

take a step back? and go back

8:00

and we were just discussing Mark and I about

8:02

Christmas time, I think it was about the 28th

8:05

of December, West Ham beat Arsenal at the Emirates

8:07

and I wasn't doing that match and in the

8:09

studio afterwards he was all smiles, David Moyes, I'm

8:11

very happy with the result and talking about a

8:13

contract being on the table. So you go back

8:15

six months and there was talk

8:18

of him renewing his contract. The first thing

8:20

that I would personally like to say and

8:22

I've not said it on record and this

8:24

is just a personal thing for me is

8:26

how thankful I am for him, like he

8:28

was incredible to me, he would always let

8:30

me travel with the team, he would be

8:32

very very welcoming, would always take time to

8:34

speak to me and not all

8:36

managers have been like that in the past and

8:38

I just like to say thanks to him and

8:40

what an incredible job he did for the four

8:43

years and I think when we look

8:45

at recent history of West Ham it's

8:47

probably the best four years the club's

8:49

ever had due to many factors but

8:51

obviously the main one being him and

8:53

he came to the club twice when

8:56

we were fighting relegation and steered us

8:58

away from that twice and then built

9:00

a very good four years for the football

9:02

club which is incredible. I think

9:04

it's a mixture of lots and lots of factors and

9:06

I think it's difficult to just nail it down to

9:09

one. I think the form the

9:11

second half of the season potentially with Europe

9:13

and a few other things wasn't quite to

9:15

where it needed to be and

9:18

I think sometimes it's just important that, and

9:20

I don't want to speak for him and I'm speaking out of

9:23

terms slightly but it's incredibly hard

9:25

like when you're managing, you're there every

9:27

day, there's more press than ever, there's

9:29

more games than ever, that can take

9:32

its toll on anyone and I think

9:34

the board and the ownership really just

9:36

felt it was potentially time for a

9:39

new voice and potentially for him

9:41

to start a new challenge somewhere

9:43

else and I've got no doubt

9:45

he'll go somewhere and do a

9:47

great job. A West Ham podcast

9:49

said, I don't know we mentioned this a couple of

9:51

times on the show, that

9:53

he raised expectations

9:55

to such a level

9:58

that He then felt. The victim

10:00

to those expectations that he had

10:02

raised through pain the successor the

10:04

laws. Would you agree with that?

10:07

The club's expectation is to be

10:09

challenging for I'll be in and

10:11

around the European spices and when

10:13

you look are in com We've

10:15

got the seventh glazed income last

10:17

year on our thing. therefore. We.

10:20

Would have the all the old guys

10:22

in supply, wages and player salaries and

10:24

Obama is it doesn't work. That was

10:26

my as on. Obviously we hope to

10:28

be expectation but we hope to be

10:31

around expectation for just isn't a expectations

10:33

released as a farm what would you

10:35

expect because you'd go back not to

10:37

season just gone to the season before.

10:40

You. Win a trophy when the rope conversely be

10:42

have a very. Average.

10:45

Stroke. Disappointing league season

10:47

and yet your funds.

10:50

Have. Had an absolutely amazing time going

10:52

round Europe and been in the stadium

10:54

when they win a trophy and lots

10:56

of other club the haven't the seeds

10:58

debate at the moment as a Fum.

11:01

What? Your expectations as a football

11:03

fan: My past like citation I

11:05

think that we should be in and around

11:07

by spices with the wages that with pie

11:09

in and the salary you won't That and

11:11

moral know we won We won seven lot.

11:13

Of thirty as he got to get you into Europe.

11:16

And I asked don't want to say that

11:18

will his massive Culottes fruit for we know.

11:20

Lots of lots of variables could happen

11:22

that could be players that I may

11:24

get injured for. Laws passed the seasons

11:26

as David Moyes last month. the great

11:28

place in the late in the in

11:30

December ah yes he say that that

11:32

was the different yeah of course and

11:34

the I think the money.reinvested back in

11:37

and the players we boy was Islamic

11:39

kudos is Tommy never said he was

11:41

the bus on in the season of

11:43

I saw things been been very very

11:45

good Wolf Rousers to go icing thousand

11:47

Scislowska like combines. We all knew what

11:49

the challenge was that they. At

11:51

the saw the and we just we just felt

11:53

that it was probably taunts on for size lot

11:55

lot says well that was from that some all

11:57

sides as well. It wasn't just him out the.

12:00

I'm a board side. That was a

12:02

decision that everyone made. It wasn't just

12:04

that it was our collective decision to

12:06

be deadly. Moises. Well, I. Yeah

12:08

I think it was ass. it was

12:10

so of. Best for a paw

12:13

at at the end at the end of When

12:15

When I Won spoken sat down. At

12:17

completely dat you will not. What's that

12:19

I target for the manager because of

12:21

all the variables that go into a

12:23

into a season. Certainly publicly when you

12:25

are trying to recruit a football manager,

12:28

is it nigh on impossible to do

12:30

it? In a dignified way,

12:32

because it will somehow. Be.

12:35

Made public. That's the first part of

12:37

the sacrifice. Their Fourth: How do you

12:39

respond to those who said David Moyes

12:41

was badly treated in how this all.

12:44

Came. About. Are

12:47

using incredibly incredibly tough I think where

12:49

everything is so public now a One

12:51

Score smartphone and the smartphone everyone can

12:53

cite pitches own and things are not

12:55

a thing. everyone's hope is to do

12:58

it as dignified as possible. Now Masoud

13:00

Barzani well known I've almost the best

13:02

results up for every wanted to be

13:04

honest with you David Moyes less at

13:06

the end of his coinciding was a

13:08

lot we can I contact her late

13:11

and I think when you look at

13:13

dad and parents and the guy was

13:15

track record. Is they've always try

13:17

to take manages to and eight after

13:19

part ways spots size go about your

13:22

question slightly is offering. It's incredibly difficult

13:24

or think the fans one as much

13:26

as possible though on as much information

13:28

as possible. I think we have some

13:31

publications or write anything and that goes

13:33

everywhere and I think there can be

13:35

very very dramatic compared to this. This

13:38

this is actually true. We

13:40

have people he levels different sports the

13:42

hey listen to this podcast so take

13:44

us back to your background and get

13:46

your daddy's day. Be subtle than who

13:48

who is owner of was have a

13:50

new as a thirteen year olds ladd

13:52

were publicly. Pointed. people in

13:55

the directed on social media or what

13:57

was happening with less some transfer was

13:59

just. Back into the. Yeah. Yes,

14:01

so my background or spices is now

14:03

and then when I was on an

14:06

hour would have been twelve or thirteen

14:08

aside. sweet saying they still was close.

14:10

sign of used to mention names is

14:12

that what was your thinking when you

14:14

putting that stuff out there Having just

14:16

said what you said I was a

14:18

thirteen year old child of that's that's

14:20

my thinking of the have to be

14:22

brutally honest it it's just it's one

14:24

of those are one of those things

14:27

that yeah look back and are on

14:29

our is probably was something I do

14:31

regret. My thinking that time

14:33

was. What? I was saying was. Are

14:35

deemed at the time was for the best interests

14:38

and other we're better off the for out. What's.

14:41

Actually happening rather than all these other.

14:44

Or deny sources saying this is out mean that

14:46

that months but to be honest with you now

14:48

I'll at bypassing all my bow of the house.

14:51

Lots. Of speculation but his at least no

14:53

one can pin I do on down on

14:55

his dad elation episode I think he just

14:57

saw as part my learning. Really, he's east

14:59

of very. Level headed see doesn't

15:02

really let. Press.

15:04

Or anything so of both name is

15:06

very level headed. It's. Paces.

15:08

One of those people that are thing he just

15:10

saw as me pov learning and and because his

15:12

to be honest on social media other the clock

15:15

realized how much as i was annoyed some of

15:17

it was nice. Because it twelve or

15:19

thirteen a lot of own is afoot will close. might

15:21

not let the kids be privy to suffer from a

15:23

since the other was this just dinner table. Columbus

15:25

a severe asthma my dad was extremely

15:27

i pirlo i just to sit in

15:30

when we have pointed like lots of

15:32

manages before it a point mammal when

15:34

agents. Would. Com said the house

15:36

to negotiate deals and think and that's the

15:38

way It was a very important part of

15:40

mine and my brothers education. If we were

15:42

ever going to be involved in football that

15:45

we pause these conversations and would not miss

15:47

saudi say anything in the meetings thought we

15:49

would turn around and with sites a downward

15:51

to me as I do think that and

15:53

in there need be law think this was

15:55

funny too high I think this is why

15:57

I think we could live with days. Thing

16:00

we'd been pushed civilly may have always done

16:02

this and just to so of educate

16:04

them about those and understand and see all

16:06

of that. and to be honest if

16:08

Margaret Satya thirteen year old so of lol

16:11

I saw seen all of this and but

16:13

it was even when I was younger than

16:15

I used to sit in on meetings with

16:18

Sam I'm with You Ever Starts So as

16:20

a really really important part of. How

16:23

we develop nothing. That was when I

16:25

when when I moved into the women's

16:27

team. That's. Why? When I was so

16:29

young it was. And. I didn't seem

16:31

fazed by a lot of a it was

16:33

new and spit it was the same. not

16:36

only was the football side bossa with the

16:38

business side as well when we moved stadium

16:40

would you say this and we and he

16:42

was very out like i look back now

16:44

lot we'd seems rouse i've lot family holidays

16:46

over there sidebar certain things are happening and

16:49

this and non thought. He was very

16:51

upset. Senses are and I think he likes

16:53

me and I used to have an opinion

16:55

on stuff and or thing. As you get

16:58

older, you naturally mellow because you realize that.

17:01

Everything is on. This is me as a

17:03

person from when I was sorry. Where you

17:05

think you've run the well, you know everything

17:07

and Johnston as excess mean out. Twenty four

17:09

grand old, age of thirty I read long

17:11

as six as an English football ever seen

17:14

years old when you are in charge of

17:16

the women's team and that's where you Also

17:18

true a lot more. Attention. Because of that,

17:20

you are subject. To the Bbc so as well

17:22

in that with such. Was pretty candid. Same behind

17:24

the scenes of what it was like to try and

17:26

get this team as he wants. It's be up and

17:29

running and be as good as some of the other

17:31

big women's teams. Are which was an incredible experience

17:33

I imagine of the times of the fans

17:35

own decision making. yeah I'd I'd have the

17:37

Arctic. I was a team up at Seven

17:39

Sane and I did he use while he

17:41

swears West Ham sites when sort of the

17:44

different departments. At the end of that experience

17:46

I said that law love to go do

17:48

something a bit more full time and a

17:50

bit more. Permanent. and

17:52

the women same it's just becoming

17:54

house it was run by an

17:57

external person and we both in

17:59

house And I thought that would

18:01

be the perfect opportunity whilst women's football was on

18:03

such an upward trajectory. And I

18:05

also thought the club could go on a massive

18:07

upward trajectory as well. And it was probably at

18:09

the time, one of the, I'd say the worst,

18:11

but the worst bits of the football club because

18:13

it wasn't professional and we could improve things very,

18:15

very quickly. So that was sort of what I

18:17

went to do. And then- Were

18:20

you welcomed into that or

18:22

were you viewed with great

18:24

suspicion because of your

18:26

age and your dad,

18:28

I suppose? I don't know. I

18:31

think a lot of the staff I knew from a young

18:33

age. So

18:35

I think they welcomed it. And then I

18:38

think like anything, there's going to be some

18:40

level of suspicion when any new boss comes

18:42

in. But I think where the

18:44

women's was in a sense that they was

18:46

all semi-professional, they was all this, do that.

18:48

And I made changes quickly to try and

18:50

improve a lot of those things. We brought

18:52

in the first ever full-time manager of the

18:54

women's. We brought in the first ever full-time

18:56

general manager of the women's. Those

18:58

sorts of things were like the first sort of things

19:00

we changed. You could make big changes quite quickly though.

19:02

And I think to be honest with you, that

19:05

was the ease of it. I could go home and have dinner

19:07

with dad and be like, what about this? And he'd be like,

19:09

yeah, fine. And then obviously not many

19:11

other people could really make that change that

19:13

quickly. And we sort of grew very quickly.

19:16

We won the two trophies in our

19:19

division that year. And then

19:21

we moved on into the WSL. And that

19:23

was for me was when the first time

19:26

I appointed a manager, which was Matt

19:28

Beard. And he just won management season

19:30

WSL. And he's done an incredible job. And

19:33

that, when you look at how you pick

19:35

a new manager, was you sort of look

19:37

at their CV and see if they can do his job, see

19:39

if you can work with them. I think that's very important. But

19:42

I still think nothing can beat what someone's

19:44

actually done. I think anyone can speak a

19:46

good game in an interview. You can't beat

19:49

real life practice. And when, Well,

19:51

they always say you understand a good manager when things

19:54

are going wrong, rather than things are going right. When

19:56

Things are going right. It's very easy to keep things

19:58

going right. When Things are going right. How

20:00

do so of work under those pressures and

20:02

us and he did a great job and

20:04

and then to be on a severe we

20:07

boy in i see new players and I

20:09

think the bbc off did it say to

20:11

as can be a disaster but thankfully we

20:13

proved them and ended up but when blade

20:15

or can't say the relief of the last

20:17

game where we wow what's the most boring

20:19

no no against reading on I thought I

20:21

was gonna be a lot this year because

20:23

I was very nervous regulars that five now

20:25

and we're going to say this to give

20:27

a long up up a bottle lox it

20:29

was. A very boring nil nil. All was

20:31

like. Okay, That's good. that's great

20:34

news and they're not the rest. The

20:36

rest. Is history illness at me? Ask you to his

20:38

them in. The manager. Of West Ham. Now he didn't

20:40

have a great season this year, citizens just one

20:42

of possibly do. You think the women's game.

20:44

From your experience, There has got

20:46

a little bit more leniency. There's a

20:49

bit more time given some managers obviously

20:51

competitors pursue the mans caped. yeah, I.

20:53

Think to be honest since since I

20:55

started the women's to now it's completely

20:57

changed lights when I first I'd though

20:59

the women's when we were picking managers

21:01

lights the second hammer take the manager

21:04

which was only halls are we interviewed

21:06

eighteen we did a real deep such

21:08

arms apart from one nothing pull out

21:10

which is good because of the interest

21:12

as of everything that was when chose

21:14

to interview people is it was of

21:17

I was everywhere there was a lot

21:19

happening and was over the source different

21:21

things and I think that's gonna change.

21:23

Into the men's weather's gonna be more pressures that

21:25

in the be more interest is gonna be all

21:28

of these sources I'm to free glasses on and

21:30

there's gonna be more because the fans are gonna

21:32

be bigger and going to have to look all

21:34

sold as they averaged twenty nine thousand long does

21:36

that ring. For West Ham that you're filling than on the

21:38

stadiums are seen as every. Women's club science play

21:40

on us everyone's dream. I think the big

21:42

thing for me at the my were and

21:44

the biggest challenge for women's football. This is

21:46

why was said was very different to the

21:49

men's the women's game we could win. Off

21:51

the pitch a lot so we

21:53

could. Increase. Attendance has dramatically we

21:55

could increase our social media we should increase

21:58

over the so the things which is half

22:00

expected in the men's and the result is

22:02

everything on the men's where the women's as

22:04

a bit more that the as you said

22:07

bit more the leniency box your thoughts see

22:09

that shifts because the expectation always we should

22:11

be gained Four thousand died when we should

22:13

be getting all of our unearthing. A sap

22:16

is a really interesting thought though is the

22:18

one the I would sound the women's on

22:20

our is the most important thing is at

22:22

the moment. None. Of the

22:24

businesses are or none of the

22:26

cops on. Them. Losing

22:28

large amounts of money on I

22:31

think for women's football to be

22:33

sustainable ones have longevity I think.

22:35

Everyone's. Conversation. Needs to

22:38

move So how can we make sure that

22:40

these for com sustainable business is so they're

22:42

not so reliant on the men's football clubs?

22:44

and we seen disasters in London in the

22:47

pastor of women's of women's teams and for

22:49

me it's just how we can get. it's

22:51

be sustainable at how we can make sure

22:53

that we. Doing. All these things

22:55

that really really important like growing the

22:57

game, getting more goals to play football,

23:00

getting more school supplies and that's almost

23:02

becomes the first sports the people which

23:04

which hopefully it will become. Kelly.

23:06

Simmons has written just today. As much as

23:08

he saw this about oversee The Bills is

23:10

now kind of. Stopped going through part because

23:12

the election coming, the and that button football

23:14

regulators. And see saying well this is a

23:16

pause on this bill so when it goes back

23:19

in front of parliament in the chance to

23:21

kind of change the bell slightly and that see

23:23

suggesting that when it comes. To the money kind

23:25

of going down the football pyramid from the premier League.

23:27

Those. Payments should include the women's game

23:29

and at that they should benefit from

23:32

that. What do you think that? The

23:34

of of would be opposed to that. so

23:36

as if we wanna grow the game and

23:38

we want the the games be equal I

23:40

don't see why that should only be down

23:42

the men's pyramid or think fifty percent of

23:44

our population is is see now and I

23:46

don't see why this you want us and

23:48

our guys are density of I am why

23:51

that should be the case and on I

23:53

just think it's how we are we do

23:55

it so you're ever increasing the amount then

23:57

the west Ham would contribute to the whole

23:59

permit though. I'll be honest with you

24:01

on leave that the tower an answer as

24:03

the that to the clever people the made

24:05

by I'm I'm not opposed to making like

24:07

the Dame Sarabhai I think at the same

24:09

time of the has been a lot said

24:11

about financial fair play it so well and

24:13

good sir and this is the one thing

24:15

I would really to I'm I'm it's oh

24:17

well and good. Cel will give more money

24:19

space that money just goes to the players,

24:21

the agents in there and everywhere else. Ten

24:24

is that just plugging a whole for two

24:26

years does all the clubs in the exact

24:28

same situation lights on or some. League

24:30

One clubs. They're losing six seven, eight

24:32

million pounds a year. That's more sustainable

24:34

business in in League One and there's

24:36

no way of turning that's that around.

24:39

And And the idea, what you're saying

24:41

size, you make sure that all of

24:43

the cops Honestly, they ran for long

24:45

term sustainability. I think that's why of.

24:48

Building. A football top for the future

24:50

and you look up the rest of

24:52

Europe they had to abide by these

24:54

rules and in Germany and all these

24:56

when I have to be sustainable on

24:58

I think fast pass me on attain

25:00

the way forward to make sure that

25:02

we we make the whole pyramids sustainable.

25:04

The one thing I would also sizewell

25:06

is a timely gives money to the

25:08

National League where the Fl give no

25:10

money to the National League on our

25:12

our offing. If you're saying it's a

25:14

pyramid than the Fao was surely waste

25:16

no different. The lead to. To the. Nationalists.

25:20

And there's only two that dollars from the

25:22

national league which are not wanting. I suppose

25:24

there are gap between the National league though

25:26

on the bottom of lake to is very

25:28

different between the gap in the championship business

25:30

and and net signings lies in the prem

25:32

in a. Within. A week

25:34

they'll be a vote for the premier league clubs.

25:36

I'm very out in our egos. It in the

25:39

day. I. don't know what

25:41

we're gonna do i'll be said with

25:43

users i think they a signs a

25:45

place but i'm not so we quite

25:47

got it right yes and that's probably

25:50

as political answer his eyes are mates

25:52

sets as his analysis not the dot

25:54

isn't so edwards air b this the

25:57

shout us and i think that their

25:59

ongoing discussions that and I

26:01

also think it's with the manager and because obviously

26:03

it's going to affect them on the pitch. You

26:05

don't put your two pennies worth in on them?

26:08

I put my two pennies in but at the

26:10

same time it's the people that's putting their money

26:12

in that get more of a say unfortunately. I

26:14

mean the interesting thing in that is your current

26:16

managers former club who have put the proposal in

26:19

haven't they? Wolves who put the proposal in to

26:22

get rid of it. Yeah and to be honest

26:24

I can understand why I know they've had a

26:26

few tough decisions this year and to

26:28

be honest we have but I think

26:30

the one thing I do think I think

26:33

the communication could be slightly better like for

26:35

me it seems crazy when even last

26:38

night the offside went on for so long

26:40

and we've had games where it's gone on

26:42

for so long and it doesn't seem fair

26:44

to me that the people

26:46

in the stadium get less

26:49

access to the people watching it on TV and

26:51

I think if everything was communicated

26:54

a bit better then that

26:56

could potentially help things but I do

26:58

think that has started to happen obviously

27:00

Howard Weber's moved into doing

27:03

the TV show on a Wednesday

27:05

night and things have started to

27:07

happen but obviously there's going to

27:10

be I don't know worries from people

27:12

that if you're put in the spotlight then there's

27:14

going to be huge amounts of pressure. I know

27:16

you said you can't reveal which way your West

27:18

Ham vote is going to go but in terms

27:20

of talking to other clubs and how much communication there

27:22

would be you know do you get a sense for

27:24

okay well this is this is actually on the fine

27:27

margin here this is on you know it's a bit

27:29

dicey it could go one way or the other our

27:31

votes really important do you have those communications with other

27:33

execs? Yeah I know Karen has a good relationship with

27:35

with a lot of the execs and Dave was at

27:38

Athens yesterday with obviously the Norton of Forest

27:40

owners and and the Olympiacos owners we got

27:42

your brother yeah yeah my brother we got

27:45

a good relationship with them

27:47

and Crystal Palace and well Chef

27:49

United obviously not with us anymore.

27:54

We should be grieving that. But

27:57

so we have a good relationship and I know Karen's got

27:59

her own relationship. relationships with five or six other

28:01

clubs as well. And like any business

28:03

or any sort of vote ever, there's

28:06

going to be personal preference. There's going

28:08

to be... blocks of voting?

28:10

Yeah. I still personally think that everyone votes

28:12

for what they want to vote for. They

28:14

might be, there's obviously going to be some

28:16

votes that are going to benefit and I

28:18

use it the big six traditionally, and

28:21

they're obviously going to vote for some stuff. And then there's

28:23

going to be some stuff that VAR, for

28:25

example, that people are going to have different opinions

28:28

and different views on. And I still think it's

28:30

naive to think that the

28:32

clubs aren't going to do what's in their

28:34

best interest because their mate, our ex-club,

28:37

wants to go a certain way. Of

28:40

course, there is also the situation with Paquetta

28:42

at the moment, which is not resolved. And

28:44

that will, I guess, play into how much

28:47

you have to spend and whether or

28:49

not he goes. We'll just explain what's happened

28:51

in that he's been charged with spot fixing

28:53

offences in four Premier League games and he

28:55

denies any wrongdoing

28:58

whatsoever. What's the current

29:00

state on that in terms of...

29:02

Yeah, I don't want to speak

29:05

because obviously there's an ongoing investigation, but

29:07

we're fully behind him and we're supporting

29:09

him as much as we can. When

29:12

something like that happens, though, it must

29:15

be enormously disappointing because first you have

29:17

to ask the questions, don't you? Has

29:19

this person done what he's been accused

29:21

of and it affects you financially because

29:23

he was linked obviously with an £80

29:26

million move to Man City. That's a lot of money

29:28

to potentially forego. I suppose you've got

29:30

mixed feelings, have you? There's a fans

29:32

feeling and there's a businessmen feeling.

29:35

I think definitely not disappointing. We're fully

29:37

behind Lucas and

29:39

we're here to support him. And I think

29:41

the one good thing was we get to

29:43

keep hold of him for another year, last

29:46

year. So there's every cloud has a

29:48

silver lining, but as we said, we're

29:50

fully behind him and we're there to

29:52

support him with whatever he needs. Thanks

29:55

for coming in and talking to us. Just a final question.

29:58

I still think men's footballs is

30:01

still very much an old

30:03

boys club and I think

30:05

we often hear, oh he's

30:07

not a football man, he's not, they're not a

30:09

football person, you know. Do you think

30:12

people underestimate you because of your

30:14

age and because of who your dad is?

30:16

Me? I don't know, I don't really care to be

30:18

honest. I prefer to

30:20

prove people wrong and that's

30:23

sort of what I would, I'd like

30:25

to do. I'm not at the club

30:27

as much as I was four years ago, I'm

30:29

probably only there half a day a week now

30:32

doing bits and bobs and whenever I'm sort of

30:34

needed but I'm doing my own

30:36

sort of entrepreneurial sort of stuff now, the

30:38

recruitment firm you mentioned earlier, investing in other

30:40

different things, property, supply life through a toilet

30:42

session company and I've actually got you both

30:44

a supply life kit, I'll give you that

30:47

after. And I

30:49

will, and I will, never miss an opportunity.

30:51

No, no, and my dad would tell me

30:53

that as well and I

30:56

just think look, the best way to

30:58

prove people wrong is with action and to

31:00

try and, I think

31:03

the big thing that I've learned is to try and be

31:05

very, very quiet and then hopefully beat expectation and

31:07

then we can all turn on. You did used

31:10

to be very, very quiet. Well that's what I've

31:12

learned, there you go, Sammy. Just make sure when

31:14

you tweet about this episode, you put a really

31:16

good one out there, all right? Jack,

31:19

thank you very much, really good to have you

31:21

on. Thank you. Thank you. Before we leave you,

31:23

we'll tell you about a big shake help in

31:25

the Netball Super League that's caused a stir overnight.

31:28

The sports agents. The

31:33

sports agents. With Gabby Logan and

31:35

Mark Chapman. Really

31:39

heartbroken for all of those young

31:42

women that are aspiring to be Netball that will

31:44

no longer have role models in this region to

31:46

come and watch. There

31:49

won't be any Super League

31:51

team for them to be brought to and my

31:53

biggest concern and worry is then that all

31:56

of those wonderful young ladies will then just

31:58

head towards other sports. So

32:01

that was the big news that

32:03

has broken overnight about the future

32:05

of netball's super league. From

32:08

2025 there's been a complete shake-up of teams

32:10

who have been dropped and teams who will

32:12

be in the league. Mark, this is very

32:15

personal in your house. A huge letter,

32:17

yes I have two. An elite

32:19

netballer. I have two yes,

32:21

yes actually. She has been at times.

32:23

I have two daughters who both play

32:25

netball and my 16 year old is

32:27

netball obsessed and when

32:29

we spoke about this this morning,

32:31

bearing in mind you know she's

32:34

Mancunian and supports Manchester

32:36

Thunder, there was real shock from her that

32:38

team Bath are not going to be there

32:40

because of the history that there

32:42

is with team Bath. So they're creating a

32:44

new netball super league that goes down

32:47

from 10 teams currently to eight teams. A

32:49

couple of teams are going to be sort

32:51

of merged. A few teams drop out of

32:53

which team Bath is

32:55

one of them and I understand

32:58

what the head coach, you could hear the

33:00

emotion there couldn't you from the head coach.

33:02

They've got a real... Asha Francis, who is

33:04

the Bath head coach. You know

33:06

they've got a real history of team Bath and also

33:08

I do take her point about that

33:11

region and where young women go

33:13

in that region to play

33:15

next and team Bath has such

33:17

a big reputation down there. It

33:20

is incredibly sad. Look, I'm not

33:22

accusing anybody of anything or having to

33:24

go anybody. It must be an incredibly

33:26

difficult decision for those trying to take

33:29

the sport on. Yeah, you look at the teams

33:31

who are left in it. There

33:33

is definitely a huge part of

33:35

the country that is kind of missing

33:37

here. I mean Cardiff would be the closest

33:39

if you're in that area that you

33:41

would see. There's Lexus Nexus of Cardiff

33:43

Dragons there in but then that's it until

33:45

you get to kind of London isn't it for

33:47

the whole of the south really in the southwest.

33:50

For the southwest and do you know what I found

33:52

it. It's an area that I don't really

33:54

know that well or haven't known that

33:56

well apart from the last two or

33:59

three years. my son lives

34:01

in the southwest now. And

34:03

I noticed this with the 100, they put

34:06

their teams in the various places and

34:08

then get down to the southwest of

34:10

England and then go, well, we'll put

34:12

that team in Wales. Now that's a

34:14

very, as you are well aware,

34:16

Gabby from all the time that you spend that,

34:19

that's a very different thing. Just

34:21

because you are in Bristol or Bath or whatever, it

34:23

doesn't mean you just want to hop over the border

34:26

and support the team in Cardiff. So

34:28

there are real problems there. You look at

34:30

it kind of, you go right down to Exeter,

34:32

you go down to Cornwall, you go down the

34:34

South Coast then towards Southampton, you know, these are

34:36

big cities, big places where there'll be a lot

34:38

of netball players looking, you know, to take the

34:41

game a bit further beyond school and they've got

34:43

to travel a long way to watch one of

34:45

these teams. The north and from Loughborough upwards

34:47

really is kind of well blessed,

34:49

isn't it? Yeah, well, yeah, Manchester

34:52

and Leeds, depending on where you

34:54

view the East Midlands, depending,

34:58

you know, you have Loughborough and Nottingham

35:00

there. So there are a

35:02

lot. Look, what they're trying to do is they're

35:04

trying to professionalise the sport. They're

35:06

trying to increase the wages of

35:09

the people that are playing the

35:11

sport, certainly the basic salary. They

35:13

will reduce squad sizes from 12 to

35:16

10, I think, to then increase the

35:18

money that each player will get. And

35:21

they want 50% of all games in

35:24

netball to be played in bigger arenas.

35:26

So where these teams are based, I

35:28

would imagine, I don't know about Loughborough

35:30

really, but I would imagine all the

35:32

others have access to

35:34

decent sized arenas.

35:37

And this is a thing that

35:39

a lot of sports now have

35:41

to consider is what does our sport

35:43

look like on television? That's

35:46

the big thing. And I've spent

35:48

a lot of my life watching netball,

35:51

junior netball, academy netball, professional

35:53

netball because of because of my

35:55

daughters. It is a brilliant sport

35:57

to watch. But I guess It's

36:00

a harder sell on television if

36:02

it looks like you're playing in the leisure center, and

36:05

they're not the only sport with that No, of course

36:07

and and let's go back to

36:09

you know The beginning of the women's game

36:11

turning semi professional when they were sometimes playing

36:13

at the top league were playing in front

36:15

of hundreds Not thousands and that was also the

36:17

problem with televised matches Yeah I was doing a

36:19

talk on something the other day and I was

36:21

doing a bit of research and I had a

36:23

Driven picture of the 93 Arsenal side winning

36:25

the FA Cup They played at the mannequin

36:28

in front of a couple of thousand people

36:30

and contrast that to the picture of the

36:32

you know The Manchester United end at this

36:35

season's Wembley final and it's you know, it

36:37

takes time that kind of growth doesn't it?

36:39

But it of course is so much more

36:41

appealing for TV and you know and the

36:44

consumer who is a neutral Because it's

36:46

because it's that whole thing isn't it? Why should I care if

36:48

nobody else has bothered going? Yeah, I

36:50

have these discussions in rugby league immense

36:52

rugby league in particular. There are some

36:54

clubs that play it very

36:58

big football stadia and do

37:00

not fill it for their

37:02

challenge cup games or their super league

37:05

games and it can look Poor

37:08

on television compared to say Castleford who

37:10

might have 10,000 people at their ground

37:12

But that looks absolutely rocking compared to

37:15

10,000 people in a 30,000 stadia So

37:19

loads of sport have this challenge

37:21

loads of sports have this challenge

37:23

This is net balls attempt to

37:25

try and address part of that

37:27

Well, we shall see how it affects

37:29

obviously the the crowds the TV as well

37:31

Which is a big part of this and

37:33

and the future for the game for those

37:35

players who are out there in the southwest

37:37

looking You know have a big team because

37:39

bath spa University has always had a really

37:41

great heritage Hasn't it for netball and a truck

37:43

from the best players? Absolutely and

37:46

the facilities the facilities there at

37:48

team bath at bath University are

37:51

Second to none. I mean

37:53

you you go there and it is like you

37:55

are an elite. Yeah, yeah.

37:57

Yeah, that's our walk round Every

38:00

now and just pretending. Ominously assessed The last

38:02

time I went there are the I was

38:04

about my mid twenties and I I was

38:07

recording to me that I was so envious.

38:09

Arlo Truly a dislikes Disneyland the lawyer who

38:11

isn't it I will try sort of. upon

38:14

this I think the next week I'd like

38:16

to. yeah I read lots of Honestly, if

38:18

you watch netball play netball are involved in

38:20

one of these teams Particular: if you're it

38:23

seem bath isolate eating get in such as

38:25

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38:53

of those out whereas you get your

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pockets. have a great weekend. So. The

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Scorsese's. We sound

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like an unmarked

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sadness.