0:00

That's all good . Yeah , sorry about that . I had

0:02

to do blood pressure and I couldn't leave

0:04

it .

0:08

It's a whole other story . I'm

0:11

very awful . I've

0:13

not bought my pills from the doctor

0:15

since November . They've been sending me some very

0:17

snotty messages .

0:20

Oh okay . Hang on . Sorry

0:22

, I've just got to make a note . Find

0:24

younger co-hosts that don't need

0:26

so much medication .

0:28

Okay , brilliant On with the show as

0:33

the countdown begins to

0:35

the 21st century , it's

0:37

good to know there is still

0:39

one number you can always

0:41

count on Bond

0:45

Bond number you can always count on bond bond .

0:51

Can't you just say hello like a normal person

0:53

?

0:58

hello tailoring talkers . It's time

1:00

for the bond-aathon . My friends and I

1:03

are watching the entire James Bond movie

1:05

series , from beginning to end , one

1:07

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and a review . Step

1:23

back into the tailoring talk time machine

1:25

. We head to 1999

1:28

and the release of a film that

1:31

, conceptually , was born two

1:33

years prior on an in-flight

1:35

news broadcast about oil fields

1:37

in the Caspian Sea . Yes

1:39

, you guessed right . It is time , for

1:42

the World Is Not Enough . Before

1:44

we dive in , I must introduce my co-hosts

1:46

. First up , it's the man for

1:48

whom two pints and a packet of crisps

1:51

is not enough . It's the voice

1:53

himself , john Evans . John

1:55

, how are you ?

1:56

I'm very well , and you're right . Really Only

1:59

at least three packets of crisps three

2:08

, three packets of crisps .

2:08

Yeah you , you did get through a lot of pints this past weekend , didn't you

2:10

? But that's another story . Um , next up , it's the gadget guru

2:12

with a heart of gold . An hour in his

2:14

company is not enough . Welcome

2:17

back , alex hansford .

2:19

Alex how are ? You I'm well

2:21

. I'm not allowed any crisps anymore . There's

2:24

too much salt apparently .

2:26

Ah , okay , is this why you've got blood pressure

2:28

issues ? It might be . Before

2:33

we get started , we need to get our spoiler

2:36

alert in . We will be spoiling

2:38

the living daylights out of this movie . Yeah

2:41

, I can't be bothered to think of another one . I'm sticking

2:43

with this for the rest of it . So if

2:45

you haven't seen , the World Is Not Enough , hit

2:47

pause , go see it and rejoin us

2:49

after . Usually

2:53

I've got

2:57

something else that I say in this bit . I

3:00

didn't prep it , it's

3:02

alright it's just the three of us

3:05

again .

3:06

Just the three of us . We

3:09

can record this together .

3:11

It worked for the last film better , didn't it Review

3:13

?

3:13

it tomorrow , never die . It's

3:15

just the three of us . It's crazy .

3:18

Yeah . So I

3:20

first saw this film in 1999

3:23

when it was released in a cinema . It was the first

3:25

Bond film that I ever saw in a cinema with

3:27

my dad and

3:30

do you know what ? I'm just going to get this one out

3:32

of the way up front . So

3:36

I thought the CGI was all right in this film

3:38

. I don't know what you two were talking about .

3:41

This is the wrong one . This is not the CGI . This

3:44

is not thegi that we're talking about ah

3:47

, see , wrong film .

3:48

I had nothing to do with the next one , if that's the one

3:50

you were talking about yeah , yeah yeah

3:53

, ah , okay , yeah there we

3:55

go .

3:55

You'll see . When you get to the next one , you'll see yeah

3:58

but I had nothing to do with that one .

4:00

So now , before we continue

4:02

, I would like a retraction and

4:04

an apology . Please , john , you can

4:06

go first .

4:07

I apologise that you weren't involved in any

4:09

way with the CGI of the

4:12

film that we're going to watch after this film which

4:16

is I don't know

4:18

, I can't remember . It's Pierce Brosnan in um

4:20

Die Another .

4:22

Day Alex

4:24

, your turn .

4:25

I'm sorry that you didn't get work at that point

4:27

. Die Another Day , die Another Day . That's it , alex , your turn . I'm

4:30

sorry that you didn't get work at that point . They obviously went

4:32

with someone else .

4:33

I'm really sorry I'd left that tech company by

4:35

that time I

4:38

sunk it . So yeah , that wasn't a very good apology

4:40

, that was wrong .

4:41

Do you know what I'm changing ? Hold on . Maybe

4:43

the fact that you left is why the CGI was

4:45

so bad .

4:46

Maybe it is your fault . No , it's not

4:48

my fault , because that company didn't exist

4:50

after I left . Yeah .

4:54

But if they had , then

4:56

maybe the whole thing wouldn't have happened

4:58

.

4:59

So in a way it is your fault , bobby .

5:02

We're doing this a show early , because when

5:04

we get to the next one it'll make more sense yeah

5:07

, okay , alex , that

5:09

is the last time you get described

5:11

as heart of gold okay yeah

5:14

, I will be thinking of something else for you

5:16

from the next one , even

5:18

if , if , if you're actually invited back

5:20

.

5:21

Um , okay , brilliant , everybody said goodbye

5:23

to alex , so , um , uh , okay

5:25

, yeah , so film came out

5:27

in 1999 . Do

5:29

we have the figures ? Yes , we do 361

5:32

million turnover from a budget of 135

5:35

million . This film was released less

5:37

than two years after the release

5:39

of . Tomorrow never dies

5:41

, um , so I

5:44

mentioned in the intro where

5:46

the concept for this film came from . So

5:48

we're past the era by now

5:50

of borrowing stuff from Ian

5:52

Fleming novels . They've kind of done that , so now

5:54

they're on their own making stuff up , and

5:57

Barbara

6:01

weren't some

6:03

lines for Valentin

6:05

, cut from Goldeneye , though , and

6:08

used in this ? I don't know

6:10

, did you

6:12

see that ?

6:13

sorry listeners . I think Bobby's got some fancy camera

6:15

because when he started thinking the camera zoomed in dramatically

6:18

on him without him knowing and

6:20

I got to see right up his nostril no , that

6:22

was the force .

6:23

I used the force for emphasis to

6:26

bring the camera to me . So , um

6:28

so , barbara broccoli was

6:31

on a flight

6:33

to miami . She saw a news broadcast

6:35

or a news , one of those news documentary

6:37

basically . You know , sometimes on the news

6:39

, rather than giving you the actual news , they

6:42

sort of do a longer segment and it's like a

6:44

mini documentary about some thing

6:46

that's going on in the world that you need to know about

6:49

, like war or I don't know something like

6:51

that aids or something anyway . So

6:53

she saw something that talks about all

6:55

the oil fields in the caspian sea and

6:57

how they were not really

7:00

used because of

7:02

all the pipelines , all the routes out

7:04

of azerbaijan uh

7:07

, they're surrounded by hostile territory because

7:09

you've got russians , you've got turks and

7:11

iranians and iraqis and whatnot

7:14

. I should know what's around there , but I don't um

7:16

but it felt quite relevant though , to

7:19

today's problem .

7:19

Yeah , so .

7:20

So that's kind of where where the idea was

7:22

sort of born from . What

7:26

did we think of the plot of this

7:28

film ? Because the producers

7:30

and the director , michael Apted , was brought

7:32

in as well , famous documentary

7:34

filmmaker Also

7:37

, he did Gorillas in the

7:39

Mist , the Sigourney movie , the

7:41

Sigourney Weaver movie I

7:45

still haven't seen that Good

7:47

, I'm sure it is . Did it win an Oscar ? Don't

7:50

know , it must have done . Feels like something someone would

7:52

have won an Oscar for . Um , so

7:55

, um , so , yeah . So he was brought

7:57

in and , uh

7:59

, it was , you know , an attempt

8:01

to kind of get

8:03

back to a more grounded Bond which

8:08

, yeah , interesting , brosnan

8:12

described the villain of the

8:14

movie played by Robert Carlyle Renard

8:17

, which is French . Renard , which

8:21

is French for fox .

8:23

Yes , which he's not in

8:25

his film . He is not a Fox in this film in any

8:27

way .

8:28

No absolutely not Fox , but

8:30

his lover is

8:32

. We

8:35

will come to that , and

8:37

you know , brosnan even went as far to to

8:40

describe the villain as

8:42

being the most

8:44

formidable Bond adversary

8:47

ever and the most grounded

8:49

as well . Now

8:52

how being shot in the head with

8:55

a bullet that kind of stops and then starts

8:57

to travel really , really slowly towards

9:00

the centre of your brain before it kills you , is

9:02

in any way grounded in reality

9:04

? I've got no idea .

9:06

There's quite a lot of science fiction there the

9:08

way it stopped him from feeling everything as well . But

9:11

he wasn't the arch-villain in this film though , was he ? No

9:14

, he wasn't .

9:15

There was a twist . So

9:17

I have got the director's

9:21

notes about this film

9:23

the story needs

9:25

and I

9:27

really , really want to read them to you too . But I

9:29

guess first of all I should ask

9:32

you guys memories of

9:34

when you first saw this , if

9:38

you can think back as far as 1999 , because

9:40

it was 25 bloody years ago , nearly .

9:44

I don't remember seeing it in a cinema . I have to say , I

9:47

remember seeing the Michelle Yeoh film in the cinema

9:49

, but not this one . Alex

9:52

it must have been a Christmas movie for me

9:54

.

9:55

I think I would have gone and seen it

9:57

, but

10:00

it wasn't a great one . It

10:03

wasn't that good . There's one

10:05

person that comes to mind who

10:08

we'll talk about later .

10:10

Let's just do our ratings and reviews now .

10:11

Alex yeah .

10:17

So it's just it's very forgettable

10:19

film . There's a lot , I

10:22

get it . They kind of wanted to do it like

10:25

back to normal . They wanted to get

10:27

there's

10:30

nothing to it , but also it wasn't

10:32

very good , so I felt like I

10:34

wasn't particularly excited about it at all whereas

10:37

I completely disagree with both of you what

10:41

did I say about it ?

10:43

I enjoyed this more than I expected

10:46

and it was because I think I enjoyed the twist in the plot

10:48

, because I

10:50

must have only seen it once on TV , because

10:52

I was guessing all the way

10:54

through . I kind of worked out Sophie

10:56

Marceau was a bad one , a

10:58

wrong one , but I enjoyed

11:01

guessing what was going on . I enjoyed the

11:04

clever way King was killed at the beginning . I enjoyed guessing what was going on . I enjoyed the clever

11:06

way King was killed at the beginning . I enjoyed

11:09

having him in it as being kidnapped

11:11

, which is a new thing . I actually really

11:13

enjoyed this more than I have done for a few of them

11:15

. It was quite a different point of view

11:17

to you , alex , which I find really

11:19

interesting .

11:22

Yeah . I'm going to read Michael

11:24

Apted's Story Needs sheet

11:27

interesting . Yeah , I'm gonna . I'm gonna read , uh , michael aptead's story needs sheet .

11:28

Um , I like the way that sophie marceau was the hidden villain

11:31

.

11:31

I thought that was a really new and

11:33

unusual twist to one film , actually , yeah

11:35

, I mean , I know this film really , really well , um

11:38

, for reasons we've already discussed and

11:40

um , I remembered everything

11:42

about it . Okay

11:44

, story needs Number one . And do

11:47

you know what ? Feel free to interrupt and comment on

11:49

whether you think they achieved this or

11:51

not , or these things or not . There's about

11:53

. There's 10 , basically Okay . So number one

11:55

Place Renard early

11:58

in the story . He should be perceived as

12:00

the villain in block capital letters

12:02

to deflect any

12:04

suspicion away from Elektra

12:06

. It's fun when we learn he

12:09

is just a henchman . Dramatise

12:11

his bullet condition early

12:14

.

12:19

I mean , it wasn't rocket

12:21

science that she was a Roman , but

12:24

to be fair , I did think

12:26

she was Stockholm syndrome

12:29

. You know where she was a victim

12:31

? He was not , but it was the way around , really , wasn't it

12:33

? So I think maybe they did a

12:36

half job of getting it that far

12:38

. That makes sense . What do you think , alex ?

12:40

They , they . They met that need

12:43

by describing

12:45

his condition . They

12:47

didn't actually show you it

12:49

and they also didn't really explain

12:51

why he gets stronger as he gets

12:53

closer to death . They

12:56

just talked about him not feeling it , which is fine

12:58

, but how he became

13:01

stronger , I just don't know . Um

13:03

, so yeah , they , they technically met that , but

13:05

I'm just not bringing an exciting

13:07

way . They did introduce him early , but

13:11

that was it .

13:13

I thought Robert

13:15

Carlisle's acting improved

13:18

from the beginning of the film towards the end

13:20

. His first few scenes I thought

13:22

were pretty tepid and hammed up as a villain , but towards the end his first few scenes

13:25

I thought were pretty tipped and hammed up as a villain , but

13:27

towards the end I felt like it was a little

13:29

bit better . I

13:31

mean , who knows what all they filmed these scenes in , um

13:34

, but I just felt like at the beginning

13:36

when he was talking to his , to his henchmen , it

13:39

was a bit sort of amateur really

13:41

, which is unusual for robert carlisle yeah

13:44

, yeah , yeah , agreed um number

13:48

two spend more time

13:50

with bond and electra .

13:51

Let their relationship develop and

13:54

be believable . So the twist in the story

13:56

is more devastating to bond . He

13:59

is being totally duped . Now

14:01

, john , you seem to be fooled by it because

14:04

you were very surprised by the twist .

14:06

Yeah , but I enjoyed the fact

14:09

that he was seduced and not the other way around , which is

14:11

a change for Bond . I enjoyed that when it happened .

14:13

I mean to be fair . He did get his fair share of you

14:16

know boffs in before that .

14:17

Well , hold on , then Hold on , hold on

14:19

. Do

14:25

you want to do the Shag Oldman now ? Yeah , I think so . Okay , fine , since I mentioned it

14:27

. Yeah , I mean , there's the doctor at the beginning .

14:28

Yeah , what was her name ? Kristen Scott

14:30

Thomas's sister , by the way .

14:35

Yeah , her character was

14:37

.

14:39

Dr Molly .

14:40

Warmflash . Miss Dr Molly

14:42

, warmflash Was that her surname , that was her name

14:44

. Surname that's her name , that's her . Serena

14:47

Scott Thomas . She

14:49

did her own love scenes

14:51

as well . There's no boiler doubles there , apparently . So

14:55

it's Dr Dr Molly , warm , warm flash , then

14:59

obviously Sophie , and then

15:02

I think there's one more extra part

15:04

from Denise Richards from Christmas , who only comes

15:06

once a year . I'm

15:08

sure there's another one as well somewhere . I

15:11

think it's three .

15:12

No , because he doesn't do

15:15

Cigar Girl , does he ?

15:16

No , because she blows herself up in a balloon over the

15:18

O2 Actually in

15:22

one of the deleted scenes from the film . There's

15:25

a scene where they introduce Raynard

15:28

a bit earlier in the room where he's sniping

15:30

from and he's

15:33

talking to her about her role in it and

15:36

they're sort of toasting champagne . But

15:39

he also says if she gets caught she has to top

15:41

herself off . And

15:44

it was an unnecessary scene really . And

15:47

also I think you didn't need to know that Raynard was a

15:49

sniper at the beginning of the film . It was more

15:51

interesting finding out later on . But yeah

15:53

, so I think the Shaq chemistry

15:55

at the moment which is , I think , pretty standard for

15:57

Bond I did

15:59

think Denise Richards , having

16:02

known she knew he'd been with certainly

16:04

not with um electra it

16:06

kind of didn't really match her role that she

16:09

would just jump into bed with him , really , despite

16:11

the great puns at the end .

16:13

Anyway , back back to those jump in . She

16:15

didn't jump into bed with him . They went through

16:17

quite a lot . She jumped into bed with him at the very

16:20

end . They didn't jump end .

16:21

Yeah , well , yeah , I mean all that you

16:24

know that whole anyway

16:26

um 40

16:29

minutes of

16:32

a

16:32

lecture and agenda kill her father

16:34

, destroy everything about him , all company

16:36

, friends , and give her a big crazy dream

16:38

. Destroy the oil economy , find

16:40

alternative fuel , remove Caspian Sea

16:43

as viable source and industrial

16:45

polluting society , not just greed

16:47

or raising oil prices . So

16:50

electra's agenda , because

16:53

I mean it is . I remember the first time

16:56

I saw it it was a very , very good twist

16:58

. You didn't really like john

17:00

says you knew there was something a bit cheeky

17:02

about her . I'm going to , I'm not going to say a wrong on because

17:05

, uh , you know again . You know towards

17:07

the end when she says when she says

17:10

to bond , you know , come

17:12

on . I was a French student , La boom .

17:14

Yeah

17:16

, that's fair .

17:17

Yeah .

17:19

Um , I did write down in my

17:21

notes . I did write down in my note Sophie Marceau is hot at least three

17:23

times Alex . So you

17:25

know the job done in

17:27

terms of Bond girl , I think .

17:30

Yeah , I mean we've gone off script here because we're meant to be commenting on Michael Laptet's

17:32

notes .

17:32

Sorry , so go back to number three . Sorry , bob , sorry .

17:34

No , no , it's fine , you know we're

17:37

just tangent all over the place , but

17:45

okay , so on the subject of Sophie , Marceau is hot four times is

17:48

she Diana Rigg hot .

17:51

I think she might be hotter

17:53

.

17:55

Although I thought the ice cube thing she

17:57

was doing in front of Renard was a little bit awkward

17:59

.

18:00

No , not at all . No

18:03

, no , that was actually

18:05

quite naughty for Bond , I thought no

18:07

but I think she could have done it smoother

18:10

.

18:10

She didn't look very confident with the cube

18:12

it looked a bit clumsy .

18:15

I think she's helping you with the ADI , I

18:17

think , or anything else really

18:20

I don't know yeah

18:23

, okay , her political agenda I thought was very

18:25

good . I enjoyed that a lot . It actually

18:27

felt in terms of the grounded kind

18:30

of feel to the film . I thought she was one of the

18:32

few villains that had a proper history

18:35

and reason to want to do what she was doing . You

18:38

know , obviously Daddy was not very nice to

18:40

Mummy and the

18:42

whole background of the people . There's

18:50

that scene , isn't't there , where she goes and speaks to the um , the

18:52

priest in the temple and they agree to move the pipeline around . I just thought that was very well

18:54

developed for her . I I I believed her , her motivations

18:56

for this I almost sympathized

18:58

actually yeah , and

19:01

also the um hatred

19:04

or resentfulness that she had towards

19:06

M .

19:07

You know because M it was revealed when

19:10

she was originally kidnapped , basically

19:12

told the father not to pay ransoms

19:15

and not to give in to terrorists

19:17

. Use her as bait , yeah

19:20

yeah . So I

19:22

kind of wanted to kick M

19:25

in the balls myself for that , actually , because

19:27

I thought that was quite a cold

19:29

thing . Well , I mean , they're meant to be like

19:31

family almost , aren't they ? Because her and King

19:34

were very , very good

19:36

friends . So anyway

19:38

, moving on , because we've got a lot to get through . Number

19:41

four compromise Em . She advised her friend King

19:43

not to pay the ransom . We just talked about all of this

19:45

, uh . Number five money

19:48

penny fill . I know I'll

19:50

just read it because you guys haven't heard this . So

19:52

number four compromise m . She advised her friend

19:54

king not to pay ransom . Don't play

19:56

into terrorist hands . She created

19:59

electra as a monster . King

20:01

and electra were family to her . She's

20:04

devastated by his death , appalled

20:06

at discovery of Elektra's agenda

20:08

and deeds , threatened by

20:11

Elektra . Bond has a healthy

20:13

respect for M . He argues , disagrees

20:15

, fights with her , but he is

20:17

there for her . M

20:20

has to feel responsibility for Elektra

20:22

. She never tells Bond the whole story

20:24

hmm

20:27

, hmm yeah

20:30

. I mean you don't have to comment on it , you could

20:32

just say hmm very intelligently and

20:35

just think about it .

20:37

I think that that was well well achieved

20:39

as well in the film .

20:40

To be honest , yeah , I think

20:42

it was . That was probably like

20:44

tick it did

20:46

, did that yeah , number

20:49

five Money , penny Money , penny

20:51

Money .

20:52

Penny Pennywise fills in the gaps for

20:54

Bond about M and her involvement with

20:56

the King family .

21:00

If you say the King family , I think you're swearing Sorry

21:02

.

21:03

I don't know the

21:06

King family .

21:08

Why is that swearing ? King family , the King family , I is

21:10

that swearing ?

21:11

King family .

21:12

The king family . I

21:15

don't get it , king .

21:16

L .

21:20

It doesn't sound like that . I said the king family

21:22

, I didn't say King family

21:25

. Again , underlines

21:29

no double underscores . To work

21:31

with younger co-hosts in future ? Um

21:34

, yeah , but I mean money penny . So

21:37

let's talk about money penny while we're there , right ? So

21:39

samantha bond again very sassy

21:41

. You know there's this frisson

21:43

between her and bond . Will

21:45

they , won't they ? Um , she's

21:48

always there for him and you

21:50

know she's almost like a patronus for him

21:52

, isn't it ? So where , where there is stuff that

21:54

he's not being told by the higher-ups

21:57

, she's kind of always there to

21:59

.

22:00

You know , almost like a safety net for him yeah

22:03

I like samantha

22:05

bond , I think I I particularly I

22:07

particularly like the cigar

22:10

.

22:11

Yeah , they really worked on that and

22:13

then she went .

22:14

I'm going to put that where it belongs and

22:16

I liked it , but they pause

22:19

before you see the bin and it's like

22:21

oh yes , there's an intended joke

22:23

.

22:23

there isn't there . Yeah

22:26

, I called it Moneypenny's Cigar

22:28

Dildo Joke .

22:32

Oh , no , bin joke in my notes but

22:35

it was nicely timed . Yeah , Number six

22:37

make Bond discover stuff

22:39

, especially

22:47

about the kidnapping . So again , I think they do a pretty good

22:49

job of that , of him kind of picking up the breadcrumbs as

22:52

he goes along . I mean , obviously the biggest giveaway

22:54

was the world is not enough phrase , because she says

22:56

that to him the world is not enough , James , and

22:58

then Renard says it , and then he puts

23:00

two and two together and he still kind of comes up with

23:02

.

23:04

That's not what they say . What

23:07

did I ?

23:07

say that's not what they say . Oh

23:11

, there's no point in living if you can't feel alive . Yes

23:13

, that's it .

23:14

That's the one because his he actually responds

23:16

to something that

23:18

Electra says with the

23:21

world is not enough . That

23:24

was Bond's line , I'm pretty sure it was the world's

23:26

. Not enough for you yeah , yeah

23:30

, I'm trying to find I'm just trying to find where that's in the film it should

23:32

be Bond's line , because it's his family .

23:33

It's towards the end when he's

23:35

he goes up to the

23:39

castle in . Istanbul

23:42

.

23:43

I mean yeah again , yes , it meant that I could have given

23:46

you the world Sorry , I

23:52

could have given you the world and Bond says the world is not enough . Yeah , so she's kind of lamenting on Bond not siding

23:54

with her point of view and giving up

23:56

MI6 and becoming her lover

23:59

and in her campaign to sort out

24:01

the oil in her neck of the woods .

24:04

Yeah .

24:05

I think I was in a grump .

24:08

Yeah , because I think I was in a grump , because I just didn't

24:10

buy it .

24:12

What the relationship between the two of them .

24:15

I think I struggled to sympathise with an oil

24:17

baron . I

24:20

think that was my downfall

24:22

.

24:23

But she struck me as an inherited

24:25

oil baron that wants to sort out the

24:27

problems with oil . You know the whole kind

24:29

of oil baron issues like putting

24:33

a pipe through someone's temple or ruining people's

24:35

lakes , and things , you know , I

24:38

don't know , I didn't , I just maybe

24:40

I was in a bad mood .

24:44

I've just realised that going through his notes is

24:46

actually a really boring thing to do . So

24:48

, like listeners that are still here , you

24:50

deserve a medal , um , but we're gonna

24:53

crack on . Uh , so number six

24:55

. Oh no , that was number six . Number seven

24:57

, you'll be glad to know . Uh , electra has

24:59

to fall for bond , the chivalry , charm

25:01

and courage . Despite the inconvenience

25:03

of his arrival in the caspian , she

25:06

always knows who he he

25:08

is . I kind of think that

25:10

most people always know who Bond is

25:12

in every single movie , like

25:14

when he turns up , he's circulating a photograph

25:17

, wouldn't you by now ? Yeah

25:19

, I mean he's the most , the

25:21

least secret agent ever

25:23

.

25:24

He just tells them every time . He's

25:26

just like who are you ? And he's like Bond

25:28

, james Bond . It

25:31

doesn't mean they're hidden . It's not hidden at all .

25:33

It's like oh , you think do you think

25:35

he he's just not listening when

25:37

he gets his mission brief and he probably gets

25:39

false passports and all the identification

25:42

right ? Your name is . Your name is

25:44

lazarus malfoy

25:46

I don't know where that came from , um , and

25:49

and you're a credit broker

25:51

from you know whatever , such

25:53

and such bank and and he

25:55

just he's just like looking at some girl

25:57

across the office in mi6 , just

26:00

not focused whatsoever . So

26:03

when he gets out on the mission , it's like the first thing is like

26:05

uh , uh , uh , bond

26:08

, james bond , oh

26:11

fuck , give it away again mayhem

26:16

oh well , um , oh

26:19

dear . Yeah

26:21

, number eight reverse

26:24

, I do , you know , I I think

26:26

ethan hunt is actually

26:28

a much better spy than

26:31

James Bond and I think

26:33

if the two have to go up right , you need it

26:35

, we need , we need that movie , we

26:37

need a like Freddie versus

26:39

Jason , but we need a James

26:41

versus Ethan Hasn't got the same ring

26:44

to it .

26:45

Could you bring in an else into that as well , like Jason Bourne

26:47

, as as as

26:50

a three way , almost almost no , I would

26:52

save that for the sequel .

26:53

But I think that , or you do it like

26:55

a battle royale of films . So ethan

26:58

hunt , because obviously he's going to kick the living

27:00

shit out of um james bond

27:02

. I reckon in a fight ethan hunt would

27:04

take him and yeah

27:07

, and then

27:10

you have Bourne and Ethan go

27:12

up in the next film , and

27:16

who wins that one ? Probably

27:21

Tom Cruise , because Jason Bourne

27:23

is a bit podgy these days . Anyhow

27:25

, where were we

27:27

? Number 8 reverse Stockholm

27:30

Syndrome Renard captured

27:32

the lecturer . She made him her slave

27:34

. Now what do we think

27:36

of ? I very , I kind of appreciated

27:39

brosnan's very detailed

27:41

explanation of what stockholm

27:43

syndrome is . His irish

27:45

accent really came out during

27:48

that explanation and

27:50

I kind of thought his

27:53

acting throughout this film . While

27:55

overall he did a decent job , I

27:57

thought it was a little bit uneven , so

27:59

in the bits where he had to be a bit more emotional

28:02

and you know it sounded

28:05

a bit um , in spain

28:07

we call it telenovela

28:10

it was a bit overdramatic

28:13

. Does anyone

28:15

notice that ? Is anyone with me on that ?

28:18

Like daytime soap , acting you

28:20

mean . Yeah , yeah , yeah . Well

28:22

, I mean , you know he's an

28:25

established Bond . He might

28:27

be now comfortable in the role and channeling a little

28:29

bit of Roger Moore in there for the jokes

28:32

. You know . The

28:34

story was that Sean Connery came past

28:36

at one point when they were filming the escaping

28:38

from exploding ball scene in the tunnels

28:41

and Sean Connery said I

28:43

hope they're paying you enough , or you know they're

28:46

not paying you enough for this . So I think Brosnan's

28:48

quite in the role now and comfortable and maybe just

28:50

having a good , a bit of a good time , does

28:52

it ? I mean , daniel Craig is an outlier

28:55

. Does it really matter if their

28:57

acting isn't , you know

28:59

, oscar worthy ? I mean , look at Roger Moore . You

29:02

know he was a different kettle of fish , wasn't

29:04

he Completely ?

29:05

Yeah , of more films , when they

29:08

were what they , they knew what they were you

29:10

know what I mean ? yeah , I think you

29:13

know . And daniel craig works

29:15

as , but as his bond . I'm

29:17

not gonna say as bond , daniel craig works

29:19

as his era's bond , because

29:21

that's what they wanted to do with that era

29:23

of bond . Yeah , they were trying

29:26

to kind of do a similar thing with this era

29:28

of bond , but the problem is for

29:30

me , this is just my personal opinion

29:32

. Everyone can disagree , it's fine , but

29:35

my personal opinion is just that

29:37

as the Brosnan series went on , it

29:39

just started to kind of this

29:43

wasn't not a bad film by any

29:45

means , and it's certainly not the worst , because

29:47

the worst is yet to come . That is

29:49

a really good title for a Bond movie

29:52

. Pierce

29:55

Brosnan is back in . The Worst

29:57

Is Yet To Come . He thought

29:59

he'd seen 007 at his worst in

30:01

Die Another Day , but you ain't seen

30:03

nothing yet . So

30:07

where was I ? So

30:10

I think there was a tiny wobble

30:12

in this film with with

30:14

some of what they were trying to achieve

30:16

, because it's like the plot itself

30:18

I thought was a really good root idea , because

30:21

you're taking a kind of real world thing and

30:23

then and then you put bond in that

30:26

situation and work

30:28

out what the villains would be trying to do

30:30

in that situation ? So someone's trying to

30:32

bring oil out of the Caspian Sea through

30:35

all those dangerous places . What are people going

30:37

to do ? They're going to try and sabotage it , right ? Um

30:40

, but then I

30:44

don't know . There's just it's

30:46

so hard to put my finger on . And

30:49

even Dave Arnold . So I raved

30:51

about Dave Arnold on our last episode

30:53

, for Tomorrow Never Dies , and I

30:55

think Dave Arnold , having done

30:57

such a bang-up job in Goal

31:00

for the last film , comes

31:02

back for this one and

31:04

he goes more

31:07

towards his kind of synthesizers

31:09

, and so on .

31:10

Do you know what , bobby ? And he's just straight

31:13

just a little bit outside of the

31:15

tradition that I like In the first 10 seconds

31:17

of the film when

31:20

they play the ident where he's walking in front of the barrel and

31:22

you hear that sort of weird twang to the theme

31:24

. That's slightly different , a bit sort of synthesizer-y

31:27

, a bit Harold Faltermeyer , I

31:29

thought . I checked myself myself and I had to look who's

31:31

who's done the music and I was surprised to see it was david

31:33

arnold and I thought of you and I'm banging

31:35

my mic in anger now . I thought of you when

31:38

I heard that and thought bobby's going to be upset with this . He's

31:40

let the side down . Exactly exactly what I thought

31:42

when I watched the

31:46

first 10 seconds . There's a weird kind

31:48

of off-brand twang

31:50

to the

31:52

beginning , isn't there ? Which is exactly what you're saying

31:54

yeah , exactly , overall

31:57

it's a .

31:58

It's a good soundtrack because again it's scored

32:00

to the film . He hits all

32:02

the bright moments with the james bond

32:04

theme etc . I can still play

32:06

a lot of the themes from my head again not as

32:08

I haven't got as much of the detail in my mind

32:10

as I do for the tomorrow never die soundtrack . But

32:13

you know that whole opening sequence on

32:15

the river I you know that I've

32:17

got . That was very , very good . But again

32:19

it's just the twangy stuff and the electronic

32:22

stuff , the plinky plink . It

32:24

kind of took me back to uh , there

32:27

was a little bit of the specter

32:29

of see what I did there um

32:32

, of soundtracks from films

32:34

like um , live and

32:36

let die and uh

32:38

, and the unofficial one , um never

32:41

say , never again never say never again . yeah

32:43

, and , and you know

32:45

I'm I'm gonna be watching

32:48

the next one with interest to kind of see

32:50

then where he progressed

32:52

. But , alex , what did you ? How

32:54

did we get onto that ? Anyway , we were talking about Stockholm

32:57

Syndrome , yeah but if you're

32:59

talking music , I was again .

33:01

I was completely bemused by the theme

33:03

to this film Because , again

33:05

, I waited for the credits to roll up

33:07

to see who sung it Garbage

33:10

, I know . I was astounded it was garbage , because

33:12

Garbage had some really good grungy

33:15

songs out at the time and this was

33:17

so off their style as well . It

33:20

is one of the most forgettable Bond

33:22

themes ever . This one , oh

33:25

, I disagree . That's how I feel about it . How

33:27

do you ?

33:27

feel , alex , I'd agree , there's

33:30

nothing . Well , okay , there are nothing wrong with

33:32

it . There are worse ones . I

33:35

think that's the thing . There are really bad ones

33:37

and there are really good ones , and

33:40

this just sits somewhere in the middle and

33:42

it has no opinion . There's no

33:44

. It doesn't get you thinking , it doesn't get you

33:46

going at all , it's just . And

33:48

they could do a lot better .

33:51

I doesn't get you going at all , it's just I . They could do a lot better . I wrote down my notes

33:53

on this . I said the bond theme is very bondy , so it's top points for being

33:56

on brand with the sound , but

33:58

it's also james bland it

34:04

was written .

34:05

Dave arnold wrote it with don black , um

34:07

, so don black wrote the lyrics . Um

34:10

, they went for garbage straight away

34:12

. So I don't think , to my knowledge

34:14

, any other bands were interviewed or anything . They wanted

34:16

Shirley Manson to sing this . She

34:20

was very nervous but glad to do it , but

34:22

she didn't feel she was worthy of it . Like

34:24

she says , it was such

34:26

. It was so cool for her to be singing

34:28

with a big orchestra and so on , but

34:32

she was , she was slightly apprehensive . She

34:34

didn't feel that , you know , she

34:37

was worthy of it , which I think was just

34:39

her being humble . Um , and

34:42

you know they were going for

34:44

a really big soundscape , which

34:46

I think they really achieved with it . I get , I

34:48

totally agree with a Alex's point that it

34:50

doesn't get you going . It's definitely not when

34:52

it comes on playlist in the Supra , the one

34:54

that I hammer the foot on the accelerator to

34:56

. But you

34:59

know I like it . I don't know if that's

35:01

also a little bit of bias towards Garbage , because

35:03

I really love them as a band

35:05

and a lot of their songs

35:07

and stuff . But

35:09

yeah , it's there we

35:11

go .

35:12

The title sequence is good though , don't you think , bobby ? I thought that

35:15

was good as well .

35:17

I thought one of my notes to ask you guys was

35:19

is this the best looking title

35:21

sequence to date ?

35:23

I think it's one of the best . Yeah , personally

35:25

I think it just worked really well

35:27

.

35:30

It was really competent . I

35:32

just , I just don't know if it had any heart

35:35

, but everything

35:37

about it was competent it had

35:39

a lot of oil oil in it and there

35:41

was a lot , a lot of action like

35:43

and the action was good . Like

35:45

I mean Brosnan , to be fair , is really good at that

35:48

and like he

35:50

loves skiing there's a lot of

35:53

minute .

35:53

We were talking about the title sequence just

35:55

now .

35:55

Sorry , we mean the actual , the bits with the ladies

35:57

dancing covered in oil .

35:59

Alex the title sequence no

36:02

, I followed that , but that came from the action sequence

36:05

. You did the , the pre-bit , where didn't

36:07

you ? Yeah

36:09

, yeah , he falls down .

36:10

yeah , he basically after the balloon explodes

36:13

over the O2 , he falls down on the

36:15

O2 , and that segway from him falling on the O2

36:17

to him falling into the tidal sequence

36:19

.

36:19

Yeah , that's true , we haven't got to skiing yet .

36:21

No , we haven't even talked about the opening sequence yet

36:24

, so we're going to get to stunts and stuff . Anyway

36:27

, we're almost here . Number nine Make

36:29

Zukovsky more sinister

36:31

than a nice twist when he

36:33

saves Bond's life . I

36:38

don't think he was more sinister .

36:41

I actually felt really sorry for him .

36:42

I thought Bond was being a real dick to him

36:44

. Paul Hagrid .

36:47

That's exactly what my daughter said when she walked into the room

36:50

when he was lying on the floor with his with his

36:52

shooty shooty walking stick . She went poor

36:54

Hagrid's been killed and

36:56

she walked out again .

36:58

I just no , he's . He's not he , he

37:00

wasn't . It was . It was

37:02

lovely to see him and and that

37:04

was the thing it was it was lovely

37:06

to see him . We really enjoyed whenever he was on the

37:08

screen . It's brilliant , I really

37:10

enjoyed it . Um , but but

37:13

he's not in no way sinister . Yeah

37:15

, he could kill someone , but he . You never

37:17

thought that he would even try and kill um

37:20

bond . He just never .

37:21

It just never crossed your mind yeah , I

37:24

love when , um , when bond sort of smashes

37:26

in at the uh caviar cav

37:28

factory and he turns around

37:30

and he's like can't

37:34

you just knock like normal ?

37:36

people . Or there's later on

37:38

the Denise Richards bit . That's

37:40

fun . It's just like who

37:42

let you in so I can congratulate

37:44

them .

37:45

Yeah , who let you in so

37:48

I can congratulate them

37:50

. Yeah

37:54

, it was brilliant . Number number 10 . This is the last one . Number 10 . Get a sense of

37:56

geopolitical context . Renard

37:58

and electra are trying to deep stabilize

38:00

the caspian by a working

38:04

with internal terrorists . B

38:06

playing major powers off against each other

38:08

. C using nuclear devices

38:10

. I realized I just read that out like it was

38:12

multiple choice , but no , those were

38:14

his notes . Um , so

38:17

did we get a sense of of

38:19

? Did we get the context of the geopolitical

38:21

agenda that was going on here , or

38:24

were we just too busy staring at sophie

38:26

marceau and her amazing outfits ?

38:29

I thought that the last um , the

38:31

last bond tomorrow never dies did

38:33

a much better job of that like

38:35

like it , just because it was , yes

38:38

, it was literally him creating the news

38:40

and then then playing off that

38:42

. So it was really obvious , um , but

38:44

it did have that feeling of , oh well

38:46

, you know , china could shoot and then

38:48

the US could shoot and the UK

38:50

. Yeah , they did feel like that . Here

38:52

it was like we were told that it was really important

38:55

. We kind of started

38:57

to get the content , but then everything just rattled

38:59

on .

39:01

You didn't have any shots of Russians

39:03

in their Navy ships or

39:06

other workers on their pipelines

39:08

having some sort of effect . It

39:11

kind of had the little graphic in the centre to

39:13

show which pipes were working , the little light

39:15

showing where the errant

39:18

pipe machine , the

39:22

sleigh going down the machine . But you're right , there

39:24

was no kind of real-world impact

39:26

, was there .

39:29

No , there wasn't , I mean apart

39:31

from the little thing about the whole of istanbul

39:33

getting blown to pieces . But it felt

39:35

more like this was a localized

39:38

problem and not something that would really

39:40

bother the rest of us too much , apart from

39:42

probably our petrol prices . But then our

39:45

petrol prices probably wouldn't have gone up because this

39:47

was oil that wasn't being

39:49

supplied to the rest of the world . I mean , m does make

39:51

a comment about how you

39:54

know it basically is . It is just the

39:56

little matter of you know there

39:58

are oil reserves for the next hundred years

40:00

which you know

40:02

alex probably spat in his tea when he when

40:04

he saw that . You know , mr electric

40:07

vehicle man good , I That'll

40:09

learn them . By the way , listeners

40:11

, within the last two weeks , I

40:14

have joined the EV fraternity

40:17

. We have an IONIQ 6 in the house

40:19

, but I still have my Planet Killers

40:21

. So there we go , that's

40:24

balanced , that's good . Yeah

40:26

, it was always

40:28

prophesied that I would bring balance to

40:31

the force , to the forecourts

40:33

.

40:34

So , speaking of Planet Killers , should we segue

40:37

into the final

40:39

appearance of the BMW in the Bond film

40:41

, the Z8 ?

40:43

Yeah , I forgot it was a Z8 . I

40:45

was telling Carolina , oh , that's the Z4 , that's

40:47

the platform that my Supra would eventually

40:49

be based on .

40:50

The Z4 was the hairdresser's car , wasn't it ? No , that was the Z4 , that's the platform that my Supra would eventually be based on . The Z4 was the hairdresser's car , wasn't it ? No

40:52

, that was the Z3 . Oh you're right

40:54

.

40:57

I'm going to go and buy one of those .

40:58

The Z8 , lovely car . It

41:00

has a slightly kind of classic

41:03

style , almost E-type style to it , doesn't it

41:05

?

41:06

Yeah , I mean it wasn't in the film much and then

41:08

it got chopped in half , but

41:11

it had some really cool gadgets on it . So

41:14

I don't really want to talk

41:16

about gadgets just yet . So don't worry , Alex

41:18

.

41:18

Just park it .

41:21

I'm up now . I'm up now . I'm

41:23

up . No , you're not . So

41:25

I think , right , let's just go back to

41:27

cast and crew . So

41:31

we touched on a couple of people

41:33

I I do want to talk about , as you can

41:35

see in my background . I want to talk about this

41:37

man , desmond wellen , who

41:40

sadly died just after the film was released

41:42

in a car crash . Uh , he was

41:44

badly injured and he died a few days later . Yeah

41:47

, movie came out in november . He died in december

41:49

and it wasn't intended

41:52

, but in the film it's

41:55

just the most beautiful send-off for him . And

41:57

you know , I remember when I saw it , um

41:59

, the second time , because obviously

42:02

the first time I saw it he wasn't dead

42:04

yet um , it

42:07

really did bring a tear to my eye and even to to

42:09

this day I just feel so sad

42:11

when I see him disappearing into the

42:13

floor when he gives Pierce

42:15

Brosnan his last bit of advice

42:17

. You know , never let them see you bleed and all

42:19

of that , and

42:22

always have a getaway

42:25

plan .

42:28

It's just really sad His name was the

42:30

character . Oh

42:33

, that's what Q yeah when

42:35

he's posing

42:37

as an Avis representative in Tomorrow

42:39

Never Dies . His name badge reads Quentin

42:41

Quigley . So it may not

42:44

be his actual name , but what a nice little touch that is . But

42:49

you know , he appeared in 17 films

42:52

and despite that

42:54

his on screen presence is about 30 minutes in total

42:56

. But he's actually the only actor

42:58

to work with the first five official James Bonds

43:00

and he actually thought

43:02

that Timothy Dalton was closest to Ian Fleming's vision

43:04

of Bond , which I wouldn't pass

43:07

him as being wrong , to be honest . But yeah

43:09

, I

43:11

agree with you , bobby , when he went down into the floor that

43:14

was lovely , wasn't ? it . It was really nice

43:16

, and he was being proper feisty

43:18

at that scene as well , wasn't he ?

43:20

Oh yeah , do you know what the thing I liked

43:22

actually ? Because then we get introduced

43:25

to R , played by John Cleese , before

43:28

he went completely politically

43:30

nuts and

43:40

you know .

43:41

John Cleese , the John Cleese that we know from days of yore , we all love

43:43

, not on the tax dodging

43:46

idiot .

43:46

Right now , you mean Well , no , not

43:49

now , I

43:52

mean from you , not now I mean from . Yeah , yeah , you know

43:54

Anyway . So Not to bark at Dave .

43:56

Although , in with love

43:58

, out with hate , in with love , out with hate , go

44:00

on , you can do it , bobby .

44:02

Out with hate , in with love . Out with

44:04

hate , in with love .

44:07

Out with hate , in with love . He's

44:09

turned into Bade . Oh my God .

44:19

Babe , he's turned into bade . Oh , my god , babe , I am a babe . Thank you , um , so , um

44:21

. So anyway , I was introduced now . Our I don't think was intended to be a

44:23

replacement for q at this stage , um , but desmond lewennan had been asking

44:25

for q to have an assistant

44:28

for the last four movies and they finally relented

44:30

and introduced John Cleese as R

44:32

. And the thing that I really

44:34

love , because I love the interplay between

44:37

Q and Brosnan's bond

44:39

since you know , the

44:41

first time they appeared together in Goldeneye

44:44

, and this

44:46

time it's almost like , like

44:49

the dynamic shifted slightly

44:51

and you see Q and

44:54

Pierce Brosnan next to each

44:56

other and they're taking the

44:58

mick out of oh , and

45:01

Q looks like he's really enjoying it . So

45:03

I think Desmond Llewellyn obviously is really , really

45:05

enjoying it and they really

45:07

really do do

45:10

what's the word ? Wind him

45:12

up .

45:14

It's a bit of bullying really , isn't it ?

45:16

light hearted bullying almost workplace

45:19

banter workplace banter

45:21

, exactly , but you know our John

45:23

Cleese is given the task of explaining

45:25

the car to him . But

45:27

to be honest , I just wasn't listening . I

45:29

completely got distracted just watching

45:32

the relationship between

45:34

pierce brosnan and desmond llewellyn and

45:36

it's just it's so fun and it's

45:38

it's just beautiful . So

45:40

, yeah , so farewell . Rest in peace

45:42

, dear man , and thank you , thank

45:45

you . Thank you , thank you for the enjoyment you've brought

45:47

um over the

45:49

course of your time playing

45:51

that very wonderful character . Um

45:54

, who else was in this that we didn't

45:56

talk about ? Oh , cigar girl . She was

45:58

played by italian actress

46:00

maria garcia um

46:06

. She was all right , wasn't she ?

46:10

she was an interesting character she was an interesting character

46:12

, wasn't she ? You've probably

46:14

read this as well , wasn't she first considered for the

46:16

role of Electra as well ?

46:19

I didn't read that .

46:21

So she was first considered for the role of Electra but her

46:23

English just wasn't good enough . But

46:25

she was desperate to be in the film so they kind of wrote

46:27

this role for her as Cigar girl . I

46:31

think it's the one of the first um

46:34

duberon tondras that bond makes in the

46:36

film , isn't it as well ?

46:39

uh , in the opening scene in the swiss bank

46:41

?

46:41

yeah , when they're meeting , meeting with the um

46:44

british actor with terrible accent

46:46

?

46:46

yeah , I think she says something like do you want to check

46:48

the figures , mr bond ? And he says I'm

46:51

sure they're perfectly well rounded um

46:53

yeah , as he looks at my figures

46:56

, yeah um

46:59

. So yeah , look um

47:01

, let's . Let's , because I really want to get to gadgets

47:03

, but we've got to talk about some of the stunts

47:06

and stuff first of all . So , uh

47:08

, stunts and action sequences there

47:11

were one , two

47:13

, I think , three main ones , uh

47:15

, so we had the opening . So

47:17

let's talk about the opening first of all . Um

47:19

, opening to a bond film we

47:22

, we got none , not one but two , because

47:24

obviously we got him in the swiss bank at the beginning

47:26

retrieving the suitcase

47:28

of money . I have a comment

47:30

about his escape out of that window

47:33

his belt

47:35

loops on that suit would have had to have been very

47:37

, very tough , like I

47:39

mean imagine you probably designed them for him , didn't

47:41

he surely ?

47:42

he's made bulletproof suits in the past so

47:45

maybe he made like , like , like climbing quality

47:48

loops like like mini carabiners

47:50

around his waist , yeah .

47:52

Okay , fair enough , but that was

47:54

kind of exciting . But

48:01

then he goes back to MI6 and the briefcase blows up , so he's inadvertently

48:03

acted as the missile for killing King

48:06

. And

48:08

then we get that boat chase on the River

48:10

Thames which was freaking awful Now I know

48:12

awful which was awesome , Awesome

48:14

, yeah .

48:16

Why was I ?

48:16

going to say awful . Anyway , john

48:20

, you lived in Canning Town at the time , so you

48:22

were around there when this was all happening

48:24

.

48:24

I'm pretty sure they were filming it . When I lived there , I

48:27

remember the hubbub of it all Lots

48:29

of boats , because they didn't

48:31

just use one boat , there was loads of them . They

48:34

kept trashing it . But

48:36

yeah , I had a window out where my flat could look

48:39

across to the O2 and across

48:41

to the cranes and things that had all the camera crew . It

48:43

was quite a

48:45

tricky one for them to film because I think didn't

48:48

they have to observe a lot of of speed limits on the Thames

48:50

as well ? It was quite strict about

48:52

speed limits .

48:52

Yeah , I expect , so , yeah , I

48:56

had the police on hand because obviously members

48:59

of the public were calling 999 when they heard gunfire

49:01

and stuff , so

49:04

it could just bring

49:06

through to the bodies that were there .

49:08

On the extra features , you can watch that scene

49:10

with all the camera

49:13

angles expanded out , so you can . There's like five

49:15

different windows . So

49:17

, you can watch the filming of that from the different . And then they also

49:19

. They cut between them and it's fascinating

49:22

to see how the director photography

49:24

and the director kind of set that up

49:26

so they could cut between them and get those lovely shots

49:28

, and shots that weren't even used , like

49:32

when the rocket boat spins

49:34

on the spot when it turns direction . It's

49:37

really cool If you ever get a chance to see it . The

49:40

kind of expanded view of that scene is really fascinating

49:42

to watch . But

49:47

I think do we see scenes like this anymore in films ? It's

49:49

interesting , wasn't it ? Because you get a lot of stunts . But

49:51

this is , you know , the

49:53

fact . They can paint this story in these sort of

49:55

10 minutes , 12 minutes , whatever it was . It's

49:59

very well filmed , I thought , and I did

50:01

recognise again . I recognise like

50:04

Old Haunts , because they obviously got through

50:06

Sorry

50:08

Keys , because you can see sorry keys in some of the

50:10

scenes as well , so it's fascinating just

50:14

looking at the different area , it's nice to see in a film

50:16

somewhere that you know , isn't it ? Come on , it's

50:20

very good if you've done the clipper .

50:23

It's nothing like that

50:25

, but it kind of reminds you of it

50:27

. It's just the Thames

50:29

. That part of the Thames is it's kind of reminds you of it . It's just the Thames . That part of the

50:31

Thames is it's

50:34

kind of unloved a bit , but it's just

50:36

quite nice , Like if you do the

50:38

run up to Greenwich , that's good .

50:42

The jump over the boat where it does a full 360

50:44

burrow roll . It felt like

50:46

a nod towards not

50:50

Live and Let Die . Was it Live and Let Die where he did the crossing

50:52

over the bridge , the famous barrel roll

50:54

in the car crossing ? Was it

50:56

Not Live and Let Die I ?

50:58

can't remember . I have to look it up .

51:00

Look it up . But that very famous that we

51:02

all thought was fake was actually really done . That barrel

51:04

roll across the American

51:06

River . I thought this was almost like a homage

51:09

to that , to that flip over as well , and

51:11

again the american river . I thought this was almost like a homage to that , to

51:13

that flip over as well , and again , an

51:15

incredible thing to do over water really good , yeah , it's good , I've seen

51:17

it still wows you 20 years later , 30

51:19

years later I think the golden gum number

51:22

, the golden gun .

51:22

Thank you yeah , except this

51:24

time around the music was actually

51:26

appropriate . Um , and

51:29

then the next big sequence was the

51:31

ski sequence , the one that

51:33

you guys mentioned last time

51:36

out , where you said that the cgi

51:38

was really shonky and horrible .

51:39

This is not see me .

51:40

I wasn't even concentrating because I was really staring

51:43

at the screen and I kept turning around to carolina

51:45

saying cgi is not

51:47

bad , is it like ?

51:48

no , there's a couple of green screens in this scene

51:50

, but it wasn't too bad

51:52

. Yeah , have you seen Die Another Day

51:54

.

51:55

Yes , obviously I've seen all of them , but

51:58

surely you know the scene that we mean . I mean now , thanks to the bondophone .

52:00

Huh , surely you know the scene that we mean

52:02

in Die .

52:03

Another Day . I know

52:06

, yeah , and him right , and there's some big

52:08

backdrop , some wave , it's surfing

52:10

surfing on like a missile

52:12

casing or something like that yeah , yeah , yeah , or a

52:14

scooter . I had nothing to do with that

52:16

film yeah

52:19

, anyway .

52:19

So this scene was great , this boat scene was excellent

52:21

.

52:21

I thought yeah , it was , it was really good

52:23

yeah don't forget

52:26

boat sat nav .

52:29

Boat sat nav , yeah , okay look we're

52:31

not talking about gadgets , yet . Not gadgets . Yet

52:33

Alex , alex Down Down

52:36

boy . Okay

52:38

, all right .

52:39

Back in the LCD screened box .

52:41

So the funny thing with the ski sequence right , so they

52:43

jump out of the helicopter to start skiing , you

52:45

know , and then there's all that sort of funny lovey-dovey

52:48

we're getting to know each other getting to know

52:50

you music . And then all of a sudden

52:53

outcome and

52:56

I , I straight away turn around and caroline

52:58

and I were both laughing . We're like bond villains

53:00

on a mountain top . They

53:03

, they do it only one way , don't

53:05

they ? They have those little snowmobiles with their little skis on them and a flipping

53:07

fan at the back , and off they go with their little skis on them and

53:09

a flipping fan at the back and off they

53:11

go with their little machine guns

53:13

.

53:13

These vehicles are called apparently called parahawks . Yeah

53:17

, they were all suspended .

53:18

So they , so they were suspended on wires

53:20

. I think yeah , and , and so

53:23

the only real cgi was actually the

53:25

taking the wires out of the scene , um

53:28

, which they did a really really good job

53:30

of on my computers um

53:33

yeah , well done , so you

53:35

should uh , yeah , lovely

53:37

v formation , aren't they all very

53:39

organized ? Yeah , very nice they

53:42

can't shoot for shit , though .

53:43

They're like stormtroopers , they can't eat anything

53:46

yeah

53:49

, that one's got anything to say , yeah , and then it's true

53:51

, uh , next action

53:53

sequence would be big

53:56

action sequence would be the submarine .

53:57

Then at the end , wouldn't it really ? Oh

53:59

no no , no , no there's

54:01

the pipe , isn't there . There's the , yeah , the pipe

54:03

, and also the caviar factory as well

54:05

.

54:06

Sorry , yeah , but then it's them underneath , going inside the tube

54:08

as well , which is a separate stunt sequence , isn't

54:10

it as ?

54:10

well yeah , that's that's right .

54:12

There's Denise and Bond trying

54:14

to escape the room with

54:16

the nuclear thing in it . Yeah

54:18

, yeah , that's at the end and the door's shutting and opening

54:20

and then , as you say , it's the . I

54:24

quite enjoyed the caviar factory . It's

54:27

a very iconic sequence . I think it was featured quite a

54:29

lot in the BMW adverts as well .

54:31

Yeah , and it's at the end , when Zukovsky

54:34

says to his henchman , he's like oh

54:36

look , we can rebuild

54:39

it . We have four good standing walls , and then

54:41

the whole thing collapses

54:43

.

54:44

Oh bless .

54:47

Yeah and then the submarine sequence

54:50

at the end , and it was really funny In my

54:52

little book of notes and stuff they don't

54:54

talk that much about it that

54:56

was very well done .

54:57

It was a huge thing .

54:58

Yeah , it was very well done . Very

55:01

well done , I don't know , because

55:03

they must have had to use a real submarine and the

55:05

fact that when it starts diving

55:07

to the bottom of the sea and they all get sort

55:09

of flipped over and start dropping down that

55:18

was very well done .

55:19

They must have had to build an entire set that moved for that . So it was . It

55:21

was built on the submarines right , the nuclear core part

55:23

of the submarine . The reactor room was

55:25

built on a stage at pinewood yeah

55:28

the submarines . Underwater exterior

55:30

shots were filmed with a 45-foot

55:33

model over five weeks from

55:35

March 24 , 1999 , one mile

55:37

offshore from the Clarion Resort in the Bahamas

55:39

.

55:40

Oh yeah . Nice , I

55:43

presume they had to comp the

55:45

swimmers back into that and swimming out the door and up the top

55:47

. Yeah , yeah

55:50

, I just thought it was very done . I mean there's been some dodgy

55:52

old special effects in Bond films in the past

55:55

and in the future , but

55:57

I thought this was very well done , you

55:59

know .

55:59

Yeah it was fine .

56:02

Yeah .

56:03

Yeah , it was good .

56:04

Yeah , the

56:06

submarine scene was a bit distracting

56:08

, though I know what you're thinking .

56:11

It was like a constant , exactly what I're thinking .

56:12

It was like a constant .

56:15

It was like a solo different levels

56:17

of wet t-shirt competition

56:20

. It's hard

56:22

, isn't it ?

56:23

Because they were different times , weren't

56:25

they ? I

56:28

did feel for poor old Denise , because it

56:30

must have been difficult to get past those pipes and things

56:32

. Bless her , and it's

56:34

, you know , not practical . Was it really

56:36

that ? Get up ? Let's be honest .

56:38

No .

56:40

And she got slated for it as well . She did

56:42

I feel really bad .

56:43

I didn't think that was fair on her , she just was

56:46

doing her job . She was doing what she was told to

56:48

do and I think with what she was given . You

56:50

know she did the best that she could .

56:54

Yeah , no , I think she was fine . I think

56:56

, yeah , you

56:59

don't really get Denise Richards for depth .

57:02

Although I thought she was absolutely brilliant in Starship

57:04

Troopers .

57:06

Yeah , she was actually . Yeah

57:08

, that's true , that's very

57:10

good .

57:12

I mean , she doesn't know herself with that . What was the other film

57:14

, the one with wild ? Things yeah , with

57:16

nev campbell and um , yeah , that was

57:18

a what was going on there . Good

57:20

as me , everyone goes I am .

57:23

I haven't seen that film , I've just seen

57:25

. I don't know , you're a

57:27

teenager . Dvds

57:36

are a new thing . You can suddenly jump to

57:38

scenes . What do you do ? I

57:42

think we should move on . Yes

57:44

, I think you're right . Apparently Wild

57:46

Things . There are about 5 or 6 sequels

57:48

after that . Didn't Felipe marry one of the

57:50

?

57:50

actresses in that film . No , he was married to five or six sequels after that ?

57:53

Didn't Felipe marry one of the actresses ?

57:54

in that film .

57:56

No , he was married to Reese Witherspoon , wasn't

57:59

she in Wild Things ?

58:01

No .

58:02

Oh yes she was .

58:03

She was the third one .

58:04

Because Nev Campbell and Denise Richards

58:07

were the two naughty girls which

58:09

I always found a bit weird , because Nev

58:11

Campbell , for for me , was like the sort of girl

58:14

that you brought home to your mom .

58:15

And Denise Richards . Well , she's Sydney , isn't she ? She's

58:17

Sydney .

58:18

She is Sydney . What's your favorite scary

58:21

movie , John ? Um

58:23

, uh , yeah . Oh , that

58:25

reminds me I need to see scream six .

58:33

Have you you seen the new screen ?

58:34

movies . Hey , no , you don't . It's very bad . Oh really , I want to watch . I'm gonna watch

58:36

it anyway .

58:36

All right , don't tell me anything about it .

58:37

I like screen fighting off topic good , give it up , yeah

58:40

, so so once yeah , um , okay

58:42

, cool , right , alex , you're up gadgets

58:44

, let's do it alex there's

58:46

a lot of gadgets . There were a lot

58:48

, that's a lot of gadgets , so

58:50

let's so where

58:53

should we ? Start . I don't know Well , I guess the opening

58:55

scene he uses some , doesn't he ?

58:57

So in the open scene , what have you

58:59

got ? You've got the

59:02

boat .

59:04

Q's boat Before that in the bank

59:06

, in the Swiss bank . Oh yes , he

59:08

puts the gun on the table .

59:11

Yes , that's right . So he puts the gun on

59:13

the table . Yes , that's right . So he puts the gun on the table and he's got

59:15

the detonated glasses . That's it Detonated

59:17

glasses .

59:18

Gadget man , I

59:21

didn't really know how they worked . There's a close-up of them

59:23

flopping open and then all

59:25

hell broke loose .

59:26

Listeners . Just in case you're confused Gadget

59:31

man is now Alex's name for the next five minutes .

59:33

Yes , gadget man go yeah , I think , I think what they were meant to do

59:35

is there's meant to be a switch on the on

59:38

the corner so that when you open it it connects

59:40

I think that was what they were trying to

59:42

go for on the glasses itself

59:44

, um , and then it was remotely

59:47

connected to the , to the , um , uh

59:49

, to the gun , um . But you're right

59:51

, it made no sense like why would you

59:54

make such an elaborate trigger ?

59:56

I , I have no idea yeah , so

59:58

then I think , the next one in that , because that's

1:00:00

you're going that far back to the end of the film , you've got to

1:00:03

include the um , the

1:00:05

label , the pin on his jacket that

1:00:07

sets the , the money off . That's

1:00:09

what ?

1:00:09

yes , so then you get onto the palpin

1:00:11

. Yeah , um , which is a key part

1:00:14

of it , um , what else do

1:00:16

we have ? We've got a boat

1:00:18

, the boat , yeah , we've got the boat . We've also got

1:00:20

the um I can't

1:00:22

remember where this bit was the visa card

1:00:24

skeleton key , oh yeah

1:00:27

, where he moves it to the side

1:00:29

and it just flips out . Keep going , keep going

1:00:32

away thing .

1:00:33

Well , why would you ? Why would you have , um , a

1:00:35

skeleton key as a credit

1:00:38

card , when you could just put a skeleton key

1:00:40

in your pocket and just use it

1:00:42

?

1:00:43

who's I've no idea . I assume that it's

1:00:45

because he can't search for it like

1:00:48

yeah , that's what I'd assume is

1:00:50

why you could be searched , or maybe

1:00:52

even you could use it as a product

1:00:54

placement yeah

1:00:57

, you could use it as a product placement in a film .

1:00:59

That would work really well no

1:01:01

, no , sorry , I was doing product placement

1:01:03

. You were doing product placement it's

1:01:06

subliminal it keeps flashing every like

1:01:08

, did you see ? It keeps popping in . Can

1:01:10

I can't ? Oh yeah , what about the gun bagpipes ? I quite

1:01:12

like the gun bagpipes .

1:01:13

Did you see it ?

1:01:12

It keeps popping in . Can I can't ? Oh yeah , what

1:01:14

about the gun ?

1:01:15

bagpipes . I quite

1:01:17

like the gun bagpipes .

1:01:19

Not only that the freaking

1:01:21

flamethrower . Those

1:01:25

bagpipes were

1:01:27

lethal . Carolina found the key in the

1:01:29

credit card . Carolina found that really

1:01:32

cool . I think that was actually her favourite gadget

1:01:34

, was it really ?

1:01:36

All right , I would have

1:01:38

gone with the X-Ray specs she's a very practical person .

1:01:39

I'll bet you would .

1:01:41

Yeah , the X-Ray specs , because they were blue tinted

1:01:43

, which was nice

1:01:45

, and then the filter

1:01:47

that they showed was hilarious .

1:01:49

It showed all the ladies' underwear , but not the men's .

1:01:52

I know they showed was hilarious . It showed all

1:01:54

the ladies' underwear , but not the men's .

1:01:55

I know it's very sensitive .

1:01:56

I took photographs , actually , let me see . So

1:01:59

they filmed . The actors had to film twice for that scene . They filmed them with their

1:02:01

clothes on and then they filmed them with the

1:02:03

special clothes that showed the outliers , the guns and sort

1:02:05

of translucent , and they did like a double

1:02:07

matte of both . There was one

1:02:10

gadget . There was one gadget

1:02:12

that made me feel

1:02:14

like they were getting ready for Die Another Day . That

1:02:17

was an utterly ridiculous sound section , which is the holographic

1:02:19

floor , with that hologram

1:02:21

of Raynar's face head

1:02:23

spinning around .

1:02:26

And .

1:02:26

Bond's putting his finger into his brain , trying to

1:02:28

tweak his that's it , yeah .

1:02:31

Yeah , they're really pushing it a bit , I

1:02:34

think . For me , I was more excited by the

1:02:36

practical ones this time , yeah . So

1:02:39

the ones that I loved practically were

1:02:42

the Avalanche survival

1:02:44

jacket . It was very cool , that was cool .

1:02:47

Is that a real thing ? I ?

1:02:49

don't know , that's a good question .

1:02:51

You know , it's kind of a bit like I don't know . That's a good question

1:02:53

.

1:02:55

You know , it's kind of a bit like you know those cycling helmets that you wear the band around your

1:02:57

neck .

1:02:57

It looks like it should be , doesn't it ? Yeah , right . So can I

1:03:00

just go back to the X-ray specs

1:03:02

Because it's a bit

1:03:04

inconsistent , because when we first

1:03:06

see how they work and

1:03:09

there's the two girls at sort of the wheel of

1:03:11

fortune thing bending over you can

1:03:13

see , I'll

1:03:15

tell you what you can see you've you've got

1:03:17

this . You

1:03:19

can see that thing that goes around the lady's

1:03:22

waist , and then it has the straps that hold

1:03:24

the stockings up I don't

1:03:26

know what that's . Suspenders , you mean suspenders , suspenders

1:03:28

, oh okay , uh , thanks , you can see the knickers

1:03:30

. You can see the knickers . You

1:03:32

can see they're not wearing anything else underneath

1:03:35

that dress . And then when you go to

1:03:37

the shot of the guy at the bar

1:03:39

, the other henchman with the two girls

1:03:41

either side yeah

1:03:45

, you're right . Like

1:03:47

you can't see through his clothes , you can only see his guns and

1:03:49

a knife , but the two women you can't see

1:03:51

their . Like his guns and a knife but the two women you can't see their bras

1:03:54

or anything . You can just see the guns

1:03:56

.

1:03:57

So it's maybe okay , I can't believe

1:03:59

we're discussing this , but maybe the girls in the first

1:04:01

part were wearing thinner , more

1:04:03

sort of sheerer clothes and the

1:04:05

ladies with the henchmen had more sensible

1:04:08

sort of layered clothing on yeah

1:04:10

but then if they were ?

1:04:12

wearing sheer , he wouldn't need the x-ray specs

1:04:14

, would he ?

1:04:15

no , maybe not . I'm just surprised that

1:04:17

in in all of the film these

1:04:20

are the bits that are confusing you . There's

1:04:23

no other bits that are confusing you , like

1:04:26

, like the whole , the whole , the whole

1:04:28

thing with going along in the inside of

1:04:30

an oil pipe . You're

1:04:32

fine with that . Or the elaborate

1:04:34

way of that's all good , that's fine . Or

1:04:37

the hologram is absolutely fine , it's just

1:04:39

the x-ray specs . They're

1:04:41

inconsistent .

1:04:43

To be fair to Bobby , I'm

1:04:45

now looking at both his pictures too . I think I found the same

1:04:47

website as him .

1:04:50

Shut up , john , you're just grabbing your screenshots .

1:04:51

I can't show you because of , I say , website as to him , and there is a marked difference . Shut up , john . You're just grabbing your screenshots . No , I'm not

1:04:53

, I'm going look . I can't show

1:04:55

you because of the stupid backgrounds , but

1:04:59

the girls bending over the Wheel of Fortune are way

1:05:01

less stressed than the ladies

1:05:03

at the bar . I think one of the ladies might be

1:05:05

a manager , I can't tell for sure . Yeah

1:05:09

, completely different .

1:05:12

To be , fair . All of the blue

1:05:14

x-ray stuff , dresses

1:05:16

and stuff is all animated

1:05:19

.

1:05:22

Yeah , let's just

1:05:24

say it's not the finest

1:05:26

hour , is it ?

1:05:29

Did we talk about the Z8 ?

1:05:31

No , we haven't got to the Z8 , but yeah , oh

1:05:33

, okay , sorry Between

1:05:37

women in casinos

1:05:39

Denise Richards , nips , sophie

1:05:42

Marceau .

1:05:44

just generally , it

1:05:46

was a very hard film to concentrate

1:05:48

on , quite a sweaty film .

1:05:49

This wasn't it , let's be honest . That's

1:05:53

why the plot surprised us , isn't it ? We weren't paying attention that much

1:05:55

.

1:05:55

Oh my God , that's what it was about , right ? Sorry

1:05:58

, when are we , the Z8 ?

1:06:00

No , we're not there yet , yeah , so we did the

1:06:02

Z8 . Well , there is a Z8 , yes , I bet this is given up

1:06:04

. With . I think

1:06:07

it was the . Stinger

1:06:09

missiles .

1:06:10

Yeah and I remember the control keychain as well

1:06:12

.

1:06:13

Yeah , yes that's right

1:06:15

and the steering wheel with the targeting

1:06:18

system . That was really cool .

1:06:20

Yes , exactly . Oh , yeah , that's , cool , yeah , that's right .

1:06:23

Then we got those helicopters with the blades

1:06:25

on them .

1:06:26

Yeah , exactly the tree . Shredder things

1:06:28

yeah yeah

1:06:30

, they're pretty cool .

1:06:29

Three shredder things yeah yeah

1:06:31

they're pretty cool

1:06:33

and Zukovsky's

1:06:36

cane with . It's actually a gun .

1:06:38

Cane gun , yeah , that's

1:06:40

cool .

1:06:41

I mean the power of Omega .

1:06:43

Oh , that was good . The Seamaster , yeah , with

1:06:45

the flashy lights on it With

1:06:48

the flashy lights .

1:06:49

I can't think of anything . Get one of those for about two grand still , apparently . There

1:06:51

was the torture lights . I can't think of any . Get one of those for about two grand

1:06:53

still , apparently .

1:06:55

There's the torture chair which

1:06:57

is behind me on my background there .

1:06:59

It's not really a gadget though .

1:07:02

It's an ancient gadget . Yeah but it's not called , Do you know ? I think

1:07:04

we should really restrict talking about gadgets

1:07:06

to the ones that we would actually want to buy if they

1:07:08

were in Curry's or PC World or whatever it's

1:07:10

called these days Okay , apart

1:07:15

from the Parahawks , it's better really , isn't it ?

1:07:17

Let's be honest . Yeah , yeah

1:07:20

, but I think you're right . I think my favourite was

1:07:22

the Inflatable Jacket . I thought that was really cool .

1:07:27

That wasn't my favourite .

1:07:28

Okay .

1:07:30

I think Alex is diving out and he's going

1:07:32

to come back in because he's got some internet issues .

1:07:34

I think he's gone off to eBay to buy a £2,000

1:07:36

Omega Cine . He

1:07:40

needs to buy them .

1:07:41

He's gone to check the casino . He's

1:07:43

gone to check the casino scene again . So

1:07:46

gadgets , okay . Fine , we

1:07:49

could talk about clothes , John , because usually that's more

1:07:51

me and you .

1:07:53

I wrote something down , okay .

1:07:55

So what we what

1:07:57

, what ? What did you add to your ? If

1:07:59

money were no object ? I

1:08:01

would want one of those . What

1:08:04

in terms of the clothing ?

1:08:05

I mean , yeah , yeah , I loved

1:08:07

his linen suit a lot . I

1:08:10

mean you have to have the frame of Brosnan to wear that

1:08:12

, um , but I still

1:08:15

think also the classic dark suit

1:08:17

with no tie , um , uh

1:08:20

, deep open the pale which was , I think

1:08:22

, the look for the Oscars this year

1:08:24

as well , and it's a lot of open the pales of the Oscars

1:08:26

, hemsworth , um

1:08:28

, danny Jr To them , but a few

1:08:30

Hemsworth , danny Jr , to name but a few . I like

1:08:32

that a lot and

1:08:36

actually , interestingly , he managed to get away wearing that inside the Dr

1:08:38

Arrokoth suit when he was trying to go undercover in

1:08:40

the nuclear

1:08:42

works . He's still wearing that

1:08:44

wonderful bleach white shirt underneath it

1:08:46

that he's wearing the very big lapels

1:08:49

.

1:08:51

Did you ?

1:08:53

I was going to say did you notice the

1:08:56

change in jacket style for this film

1:08:59

? On every single suit he wore , apart

1:09:01

from the tux .

1:09:04

They're all three . I mean , yeah

1:09:06

, it was very nice you

1:09:08

need , but you need . You'll know this . But his frame

1:09:10

is quite good . I think that my frame wouldn't

1:09:12

work with this jacket personally .

1:09:15

Yeah , I mean I'm not a big fan of three buttons

1:09:17

generally because to

1:09:19

make them work you need to be able to do the top

1:09:22

button up , and

1:09:24

I think they work better on guys who are a

1:09:26

bit thinner and a bit more rakish , you

1:09:28

know , like the Bill Nighy type sort of

1:09:30

frame .

1:09:34

But then we saw bond with his kit up a few times and he's fairly

1:09:37

rakish , isn't he ? He's not . He's not got the chest of

1:09:40

daniel craig , has he ? You know , the pecs

1:09:42

?

1:09:42

no , he hasn't . I mean daniel craig's

1:09:44

brief to his trainer when he got the role

1:09:47

for casino is I need you to make me

1:09:49

look like I'm I could kill someone

1:09:51

? Yeah , um , and

1:09:53

you know , mission accomplished . But

1:09:55

um , yeah , my

1:09:58

favorite I I always thought

1:10:00

my favorite outfit from this film was his linen

1:10:02

suit . Right , yeah , me too , the herringbone

1:10:04

linen suit . But um , actually

1:10:06

my favorite was the tux , and

1:10:09

it just goes to show , I mean , that is

1:10:11

essentially , you

1:10:13

know , the tux that daniel

1:10:15

craig wearing casino royale one button

1:10:17

, single-breasted peak lapel . um

1:10:20

, when he , when

1:10:22

he leaves the bed to then

1:10:24

go and do bond stuff , like

1:10:26

you know , shoot the henchman and

1:10:28

you know , get the doctor's id and stuff , um

1:10:31

, he puts his tux back on to go and do

1:10:33

that , but without the bow tie and he just

1:10:36

looks so suave and cool

1:10:38

and sophisticated and stuff . So

1:10:42

, yeah , so that was my favourite outfit of his

1:10:44

. For me I would dress like that

1:10:46

during the day actually .

1:10:49

We do need to point out the wonderful

1:10:51

which I think you mentioned very

1:10:54

small , lovely

1:10:57

tweaking of the tie

1:10:59

as he's going underwater in the boat yeah

1:11:01

, in the boat . Exactly that was a nod

1:11:04

to Goldeneye I think it

1:11:06

was his idea to do that as well .

1:11:08

I just thought that was brilliant because of all the places

1:11:10

you do it when you're going underwater it

1:11:13

was the same as in Goldeneye when he does it on the tank

1:11:15

, when he smashes through that wall and he adjusts his

1:11:18

tie . I

1:11:20

think we should also talk about the girls

1:11:23

outfits , because Denise Richard , when she

1:11:25

gets out of that hazmat suit sorry

1:11:29

, my brain just skipped again there was that purple outfit

1:11:31

in the caviar factory .

1:11:32

Let's talk about Lara . Sorry , my brain just skipped again . There was that

1:11:35

purple outfit in the Javier factory . No , forget it .

1:11:36

Let's talk about Lara Croft outfit . Well

1:11:38

, yes , yes , because

1:11:41

I didn't remember she was wearing the little shorts

1:11:43

and the boots and everything . When

1:11:45

she took the first bit off , I was like , oh please

1:11:48

, please , be dressed like Lara

1:11:50

Croft . Oh my God , I sound so sad . And

1:11:53

then she was and I was like , oh my God , christmas

1:11:56

just came Well

1:11:58

literally yeah

1:12:01

, you're right and yeah

1:12:04

.

1:12:04

I'm just watching it now , that scene and

1:12:08

Bond's talking to the foreman there

1:12:10

who thinks she might be gay

1:12:13

because she didn't . She

1:12:16

spurned his advances . So he's like she's

1:12:18

obviously not into women and not into men , as

1:12:21

he's saying that she's taking off her hazmat suit and

1:12:23

is a bit of a tutor spending over cleavage

1:12:25

shots . And again you can see why she got

1:12:27

a lot of grief for this film . But

1:12:30

she holds her own in it a little

1:12:32

bit . I think , if you ask me , she owns

1:12:34

it , if that makes sense .

1:12:37

Yeah , I think you know

1:12:39

there was a little throwback for me to

1:12:41

Diamonds Are Forever . Could you remember the actress

1:12:43

in that ? The American actress ? Yeah

1:12:46

, you know she

1:12:48

came Spunky , yeah

1:12:50

, a bit clunky in places , but

1:12:53

you know again , know , I'm not going to be too hard

1:12:55

on her .

1:12:57

Um so , and

1:13:01

that's where everyone stopped listening .

1:13:03

I'm so sorry , I didn't

1:13:05

mean that . I meant it as . I

1:13:08

meant it as not like I'm not going to

1:13:10

be tough on her yeah , no , no , I

1:13:12

know yeah , that's what I meant , you as not . I'm not going to be tough on her , yeah , no , no , I know that's what I meant .

1:13:14

You're so dirty oh

1:13:18

my god , do you know what ? We've hit ?

1:13:20

a real high with that last Tomorrow Never Dies

1:13:22

review and we've just sunk to the depths

1:13:24

like that submarine .

1:13:25

We will be much more progressive as our films get

1:13:27

more modern . Boys and girls , we really will . It's

1:13:30

just yeah

1:13:32

, we're going gonna be so serious for the daniel craig era

1:13:34

.

1:13:35

Um , yeah , so um , sophie

1:13:37

marceau . I think she

1:13:40

just looked incredible . Everything she wore

1:13:42

, like whoever did the costume , costume

1:13:45

design and dressed

1:13:47

her . My god , I mean it I

1:13:49

don't know if it's a french thing as well , like

1:13:51

that whole , you know so qua

1:13:53

well , they , they're sort of lacy

1:13:55

chiffons with like flat

1:13:58

, like plants and things , I mean it's like

1:14:00

sort of a with with with whoever designed

1:14:02

it . Just some very clever things to to cover

1:14:05

her modesty but also show off her figure . That

1:14:07

was very well done . She looked very

1:14:09

glamorous when she had her hair up , and even

1:14:12

the earring , which was a plot device

1:14:14

, was very clever as well . I thought that was very well

1:14:17

designed . Yeah , with

1:14:20

some very , very obvious CGI as she moved her head around

1:14:22

, I

1:14:25

noticed . But yeah , I'm just looking at her twin set

1:14:27

. Look with the twisted pearls around

1:14:29

her neck , creating this choker , and

1:14:32

the matching earrings . That was very , very

1:14:35

money , money , money , wasn't it ? You could tell that she

1:14:37

was , you know , showing off her wealth there

1:14:39

. It's very

1:14:41

good .

1:14:42

Yeah , alex , we were talking about outfits

1:14:44

. You may have guessed Any

1:14:47

favourite . What did you think overall

1:14:49

of the way that Brosnan dressed

1:14:51

in this film ? We were talking about the fact that every

1:14:54

single one of his suits was a three button single

1:14:56

breasted . So a little bit of a boxier

1:14:58

fit for this movie from the previous

1:15:00

outings .

1:15:01

He looked sharp , didn't he ? It was quite

1:15:03

a nice one .

1:15:06

I think I

1:15:08

just like his linen most .

1:15:09

I think I think it came across really well . I

1:15:12

think no , I mean , I think , yeah , I think it just came

1:15:14

across really well . So I

1:15:16

don't think there was anything to fault him on . That was brilliant

1:15:18

, yeah

1:15:20

, and also because he did a lot of action

1:15:22

this time . So you got to see

1:15:25

him doing lots of different things

1:15:27

and I think that

1:15:29

helped him stand out a lot , because

1:15:31

he was always sharp . Even when

1:15:33

he was like falling

1:15:36

down a submarine or whatever , he was

1:15:38

still like , oh yeah , he's still wearing a suit , though

1:15:40

, or still it's called um . I can't

1:15:43

remember if it was down to a , down

1:15:46

to a shirt and trousers at that point , but but

1:15:48

yeah , so yeah , no , it's

1:15:51

really good . But I feel like I

1:15:53

left and then you guys just

1:15:56

started talking about the , the bond

1:15:58

girls again , and it's like a

1:16:00

record . A record , you've got stuck no

1:16:04

we weren't , alex ?

1:16:06

we were being deadly serious and we were just talking

1:16:08

about brosnan's outfit .

1:16:09

Okay , I take that back then .

1:16:11

Not enough listeners if you

1:16:13

tell on us , we will kill you . Um

1:16:15

, okay , so this movie

1:16:18

has a an aggregate score

1:16:20

of about 54 percent on rotten tomatoes

1:16:23

, um , on

1:16:26

, uh , I know it's 51 , I

1:16:28

think . Uh , average rating

1:16:30

of 5.6 out of 10

1:16:32

, I think . On IMDb , 57

1:16:36

out of 100 on Metacricket

1:16:40

, where they go to play cricket in

1:16:42

the metaverse . So

1:16:45

, roger Ebert , he said at the

1:16:47

time that the film was a splendid

1:16:50

, comic thriller , exciting and graceful

1:16:52

, endlessly inventive

1:16:54

, and he gave it a stonking

1:16:57

3.5 stars out of four

1:16:59

. Did he really say that ?

1:17:04

he did .

1:17:05

Apparently that's

1:17:07

what I thought , which

1:17:10

gives you a clue as to where this is going . Um

1:17:12

, and the

1:17:15

independent antonio quirk at the

1:17:17

time said the film is certainly less definitively

1:17:19

feeble than other recent bond

1:17:21

offerings

1:17:25

with an at least two-dimensional female

1:17:27

character in the bold and oval mask . So

1:17:29

, but my reaction is much the same as to

1:17:31

a new rolling stones album . I'm just

1:17:34

grateful that it's not embarrassing . Um

1:17:36

, so , uh

1:17:38

, what did we think

1:17:41

? Um , oh

1:17:43

, variety said that . Um , denise

1:17:46

richards was the least plausible nuclear

1:17:48

physicist in the history of movies , which

1:17:50

makes even the electrochemist

1:17:53

that elizabeth shu played in the saint sound

1:17:55

like a noble laureate .

1:17:57

Um , this was

1:17:59

his worst one . So out

1:18:02

of all of this his films this was

1:18:04

his worst film rosnan no

1:18:07

, I disagree , it wasn't his worst .

1:18:08

You mean the worst is yet the worst is yet to

1:18:10

come oh , no his worst today

1:18:12

.

1:18:12

What do you mean ? In

1:18:14

terms of reception , this is

1:18:17

his worst one . When

1:18:19

, when you look at the critical , when

1:18:21

you look at the tomato rating

1:18:24

, then , yeah , this

1:18:26

is the lowest of

1:18:29

the Brosnan ones . Yeah

1:18:31

, in fact , it's really low Generally

1:18:34

. There's a few that are lower

1:18:36

, which are a couple of um , roger

1:18:39

Moore ones , um , well

1:18:42

, do you know ?

1:18:42

it's really interesting , alex , because you know my point earlier on

1:18:44

about how I thought Brosnan was was

1:18:46

channeling channeling his inner Roger Moore

1:18:48

, pete . Uh , his inner Roger Moore , pete . Debruge of

1:18:50

Variety wrote in 2012 that

1:18:53

the film presents a conflicted persona , torn

1:18:55

between the corny antics of the Roger Moore

1:18:57

era and the grim seriousness of where things

1:18:59

would eventually go under Daniel Craig's tenure . So

1:19:02

I feel vindicated there really .

1:19:04

Yeah , it does

1:19:06

sit like between . There's

1:19:08

a few poor , poor Moorlands

1:19:11

underneath , but yeah

1:19:13

, no , it wasn't great . Do

1:19:16

you want a rating ?

1:19:17

No , sorry , no , no , no , no

1:19:20

, not yet Not you , john , first , as

1:19:22

always . And that's not , you

1:19:24

know , it's just that his

1:19:27

name comes before

1:19:29

yours in the alphabet . No

1:19:32

, I was skipping ahead and I was

1:19:34

just reading about diet another day and

1:19:38

that's why I'm coughing , because I've just read someone's

1:19:40

review of it and I'm like that

1:19:43

guy must I want whatever

1:19:45

that guy was smoking . Send

1:19:47

it to me please . Anyway

1:19:49

. Um , john , yes , my ranking . I'll give it a solid eight .

1:19:51

I really enjoyed the film

1:19:53

um Send it to me please . Anyway , John , yes , my ranking . I'll give it a solid eight

1:19:55

. I really enjoyed the

1:19:58

film , I know .

1:19:59

I know . No , no , no , sorry , sorry . I thought we were

1:20:01

talking about dying of a day . Sorry , carry

1:20:03

on .

1:20:04

No , no , no , no , no . I haven't

1:20:06

seen it for a long time . I can't remember it , apart from the dodgy

1:20:09

CGI . But for this film I'm going to give

1:20:11

it a solid eight . I enjoyed it . It

1:20:15

lost points on the theme tune . I

1:20:17

genuinely quite like Denise Richards' character

1:20:19

. I think she got more grief than she deserved , so

1:20:23

I'm going to give it eight . I left that film last

1:20:25

night because I watched it very recently thinking do

1:20:27

you know what ? That's one of the ones I've enjoyed more .

1:20:38

So I'm going gonna give it a solid eight . And you know

1:20:40

what ? As we've said before , it doesn't matter what people think of

1:20:42

a film . If you enjoyed it . Yeah , you were engaged and having a great

1:20:44

time .

1:20:44

That's , that's all that matters um alex I . I'm not gonna rate it as badly

1:20:47

as his rotten tomatoes , but

1:20:49

I'll give it . I'll give it a six

1:20:52

and a half . I

1:20:57

think it was technically

1:20:59

well executed , but

1:21:02

I didn't think it had any soul , and

1:21:05

I think that the lovely Bond girls

1:21:08

would normally make up for that

1:21:10

. But I've laughed in

1:21:12

more Roger Moore films than

1:21:14

this .

1:21:16

Yeah , but you've got to remember as well , Alex , that

1:21:18

this film was turned into a first-person

1:21:21

shooter by Electronic Arts as well . That's

1:21:23

got to add some kudos to it .

1:21:25

But it's not Goldeneye . If it was Goldeneye , it

1:21:28

would be basically Goldeneye .

1:21:31

I don't know how you can compete

1:21:33

with .

1:21:33

But , um , but yeah , no , it's

1:21:36

fine , there's nothing . Well

1:21:38

, there's nothing specific wrong with it , but

1:21:40

it's just this there's not as much good at

1:21:42

it than I thought , and when

1:21:44

I think about it and I compare it to something

1:21:46

like , uh , boom raker , for example

1:21:49

, which is ridiculous in many

1:21:51

, many ways . I enjoyed that

1:21:54

more and I just it's

1:21:56

so wild it was , and that's the . That's the

1:21:58

thing you got . Why am I here ? I mean , yeah

1:22:01

, it's a , it's a credible film , but it but it

1:22:03

wasn't as as entertained . Um

1:22:05

sorry , denise Richards , it's

1:22:08

not enough .

1:22:12

Or maybe your boobs are not enough .

1:22:16

Oh , okay , he said it he went

1:22:18

there . Can I ask you a question , Alex

1:22:20

? Was this better than Tomorrow

1:22:23

Never Dies .

1:22:25

Ooh .

1:22:26

Ooh , no , no

1:22:30

, it wasn't , it just wasn't . Michelle Yeoh

1:22:32

was stronger on this and

1:22:34

so do you want me to ?

1:22:36

change . Your Tomorrow Never Dies .

1:22:38

Rating to 6.5 and give this a 6 ? Is that

1:22:40

why I did ?

1:22:41

it you do

1:22:43

. What did I give ?

1:22:44

Tomorrow Never Dies , bobby you

1:22:46

gave it an 8 . To be

1:22:48

fair , john , you give most films an 8 . I

1:22:51

love , I love these films .

1:22:53

I'm going to change my rating to this one .

1:22:54

I'm going to change it to an 8.5 could

1:22:59

you swap mine around , please , bobby , and

1:23:01

hopefully everyone can keep track

1:23:03

, but this is

1:23:05

not better than Tomorrow Night at

1:23:07

Freddy's so

1:23:10

can I ask you another question was

1:23:12

this film better than Diamonds Are Forever ?

1:23:14

Can I ask you another question Was

1:23:17

?

1:23:17

this film better than

1:23:19

Diamonds Are Forever . I don't remember . That

1:23:21

was ages ago .

1:23:22

That was one , sean

1:23:24

Connery , the weird one , mustang

1:23:26

Las .

1:23:27

Vegas the space vehicle escaping .

1:23:30

Space vehicles . Yeah , it probably was , or at least it was

1:23:32

on par . What did I give that

1:23:35

? Okay , fine you

1:23:37

gave that a six .

1:23:38

Yeah , and was this better ? You always

1:23:40

give it a six .

1:23:41

You always give it a six . We haven't got to the Craig ones

1:23:43

. You don't like Bond , really , do you ?

1:23:45

I'm saving all my ones for Craig .

1:23:48

All right , was ? Was this better

1:23:50

than For your Eyes Only ?

1:23:57

I'm enjoying watching Alex squirm a little bit here

1:23:59

are you still

1:24:01

talking to me ?

1:24:02

I thought you were talking about John .

1:24:04

I'm talking to you . When

1:24:08

I say John , that means John , shut up . I

1:24:10

don't think it is . Does that make

1:24:12

sense ? You don't think it is . Does that make sense ? You don't

1:24:14

think it's better than For your Eyes Only ? Okay

1:24:18

, so then you've given them both a six

1:24:20

. Do you want me to change this to a 5.5

1:24:22

? Do you want me to change this to a 5.5 ? Yeah

1:24:24

, at the moment .

1:24:25

This is going down and , down and down

1:24:27

. Do you know what ? We'll go with 5.5 . No

1:24:33

, actually can we go with 5 ? Because

1:24:35

, then it aligns with

1:24:37

this Rotten Tomatoes . Okay

1:24:39

, 5 out of 10 .

1:24:41

51% . Do you think in that case

1:24:44

? Do you think , that

1:24:46

when you do your ranking for Die Another Day

1:24:48

, we could hit a sub-5

1:24:50

rating for a ?

1:24:51

film Possibly .

1:24:52

Possibly , possibly

1:24:54

. No , I've not given myself

1:24:56

any . Yeah

1:24:58

, I think that's quite possible , bobby

1:25:01

, what was your rating for this one ?

1:25:03

So initially I was going with a seven

1:25:05

, but then I thought the

1:25:08

man with the Golden Gun On Her Majesties

1:25:11

and Thunderball , I kind of slightly enjoyed

1:25:13

more than this and I think they

1:25:15

were kind of slightly better films

1:25:18

. Weirdly , I thought I was going

1:25:20

to go into this with an eight , but

1:25:22

when I rewatched it yesterday , it's

1:25:27

just , I don't know . It's

1:25:30

kind of like just

1:25:35

I don't know it's . It's kind of like , um , it's a bit like

1:25:37

an android phone . It seems

1:25:39

like a really good idea and it seems really

1:25:41

nice on the surface , with its fancy oled

1:25:44

displays and the promise of something

1:25:46

fresh and new , but when you get into

1:25:48

it it's a bit clunky . So

1:25:51

, um , so , yeah , so

1:25:53

, and then I , and then , having done what I did

1:25:55

to Alex , I've then gone and looked at everything

1:25:57

else and then so I've , I've

1:25:59

moved for your eyes only down to a 5.5

1:26:02

, and then I've given this a 6 because

1:26:04

I did enjoy this more than for your eyes only

1:26:06

. Um , yeah

1:26:09

, so . So I think do you know what

1:26:11

? I'm going to say , 6.5 . But

1:26:15

then do I need to move Octopussy to a 7

1:26:17

? I don't know . I'm going to

1:26:19

say 6.5 . And the reason it just

1:26:21

loses points is because it's

1:26:25

a real difficult one with this one , and

1:26:27

do you know what keeps flashing in my mind

1:26:29

?

1:26:30

Just to give you a bit of , is it ?

1:26:31

Boots , no , just

1:26:33

Sophie Marceau , yeah

1:26:35

she is very lovely . Because when she says

1:26:37

to him , when he's running after her and she's like you

1:26:39

can't kill me , james , not in cold blood and

1:26:41

I'm thinking I wouldn't be able

1:26:43

to kill her , I'd probably just let her break

1:26:45

my neck Anne

1:26:53

was not happy about that was she , she was not happy

1:26:55

about what . I think she was not happy for him and

1:26:59

it also was a bit tragic , wasn't

1:27:01

it ?

1:27:02

and also , maybe she was thinking on her

1:27:04

sins maybe , but I'm going

1:27:06

to change my rating from

1:27:08

8 to 8.75 just because I remember the final sentence

1:27:10

of the film about Christmas , so I changed it to 8.75 . Just because I remember the final

1:27:12

sentence of the film about Christmas , so

1:27:15

it changed to 8.75 .

1:27:17

We didn't talk about that . Did we Hang on a minute ?

1:27:19

No , we did not .

1:27:20

Right , 7.5 . There we go , okay

1:27:24

, we didn't talk about that ?

1:27:26

No , but we have a very .

1:27:27

Moonraker-esque ending , don't

1:27:29

we ? I always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey

1:27:32

. That's it Such a good line

1:27:34

.

1:27:36

I was so embarrassed when I saw it in the cinema because

1:27:38

I was sat right next to my dad and I was

1:27:40

like that's a bit , do you think

1:27:42

?

1:27:42

do you think that they gave her name

1:27:44

at the end of the film just for

1:27:46

that line ? Must have Christmas

1:27:49

Jones .

1:27:50

No , they didn't . She was

1:27:55

named by the screenwriters

1:27:57

after Christmas Humphreys , the prosecutor

1:27:59

in the Derek Bentley case , who

1:28:03

first popularised Buddhism in

1:28:05

England . So , wade and Purvis , the

1:28:07

screenwriters who were brought in for this , they

1:28:13

wrote Let Him have it , which was the 1991

1:28:15

movie about the . Was it

1:28:17

Derek Bentley ? Yeah

1:28:20

, derek Bentley , because he

1:28:22

was hanged , wasn't he Back in

1:28:24

the ? I think it was in the 60s maybe . What

1:28:26

was the film called ? Let Him

1:28:28

have it ? Oh , let Him .

1:28:29

Have it , it was a .

1:28:30

British film about the Derek Bentley case

1:28:32

1950s .

1:28:33

England .

1:28:35

So yeah , so they named the character after

1:28:37

her Christmas , humphreys .

1:28:39

Christopher Eccleston played Derek Bentley in

1:28:41

that film .

1:28:42

Yeah .

1:28:43

That's not as much fun .

1:28:46

So , and I think Derek

1:28:48

Bentley was from Norbury , which is my hometown

1:28:51

. I'm going to

1:28:53

look that up really quickly . I'm

1:28:58

pretty sure he was from Croydon , maybe . Yeah

1:29:04

, Derek Brantley . Oh

1:29:08

no , hang on , Is that a different fella , Derek Brantley

1:29:10

?

1:29:11

No , that was him , it was .

1:29:12

Beddington wasn't it Fairview Road in Norbury

1:29:14

. Okay , Derek

1:29:16

William Beddington of Fairview Road . Yeah

1:29:19

, so he was literally a

1:29:21

few yeah he actually . He was a few roads

1:29:23

from where I grew up .

1:29:25

And one of the characters in the film called Stella was

1:29:27

played by Serena Scott Thomas , who then played Dr Molly

1:29:30

Walton Flash as well , was played by Serena Scott Thomas , who then played Dr Molly

1:29:32

Walton Flash as well .

1:29:32

Yeah , that's right , there

1:29:37

we go . Sister of Kristen Scott

1:29:40

Thomas . Okay guys , thank you . I think that

1:29:42

about wraps it up . We've gone on for longer than I intended

1:29:44

on this one . I thought this would be quick one and done

1:29:46

, but there was a lot that happened in

1:29:48

that film and there was a lot to unpack . Yeah

1:29:50

, there was , there was was

1:29:54

a lot that happened in that film and there was a lot to unpack

1:29:56

. Yeah , it was , it was . I should have said there was a lot to undress . Damn

1:29:59

it , it's the trick there . So sorry , um , but

1:30:01

yeah , there we go . So we've just got one more

1:30:03

and then we're into daniel craig aren't

1:30:05

we excited ? Excited , um , but

1:30:07

you know it's , it's gotta

1:30:10

it's to get worse before

1:30:12

it gets better . Cool

1:30:16

, thanks guys . John

1:30:18

and I saw Dune just this past

1:30:20

weekend .

1:30:22

So that was fun .

1:30:23

Dune 2 , sorry , I

1:30:25

say Dune because it just felt like the first

1:30:27

movie . I mean that in a good

1:30:29

way . It

1:30:31

just felt like we'd had a

1:30:33

very long intermission and

1:30:36

then we went in for the second half yeah

1:30:39

, second third , as it turns out

1:30:41

, uh , but anyway . So , yeah , we

1:30:43

, we , hopefully we'll be getting together to talk about

1:30:46

that . Um , thank you

1:30:48

so much , guys , and thank you

1:30:50

all once again for joining us , especially if you're

1:30:52

still here after all of that . You

1:30:54

deserve some sort of medal .

1:30:56

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