0:02

Get ready to take a flamethrower to

0:04

the official narrative and learn what the

0:06

elites don't want you to know. You're

0:09

listening to the Tom Woods

0:11

Show. Hey

0:19

everybody, Tom Woods here, episode 2500-1

0:23

of the Tom Woods Show and I'm here

0:25

with Clint Russell. Clint, I wanted to

0:27

talk to you. First of all, Clint Russell, you all know Clint Russell

0:29

or you ought to or you will after today. Liberty

0:32

Lockdown is his podcast. He's all over the

0:34

place. You can't miss the guy basically.

0:37

And I wanted to talk to him last week about

0:40

the whole Trump at the Libertarian Convention

0:42

thing and he wasn't able to

0:44

record until a certain day and I have an arrangement

0:46

with my tech people that I have to have all

0:48

the episodes in by X minus

0:50

two days from when Clint could do it. So it

0:52

just didn't quite work out. But I feel like

0:55

now we've got the Trump conviction so I wanted to get

0:57

an episode out on that and I'm hoping that by the

0:59

time you see this, I got that episode out. But

1:02

I feel like there's still some lingering interest in

1:04

this whole LP matter because there are a

1:06

lot of people who invested a lot of time

1:09

and resources and moral support at

1:11

the very least into that

1:13

thing. And it seems to

1:16

have been a very wild convention, maybe

1:18

more so than any in

1:20

the history of the party. And Clint

1:22

was right at the heart of it. So I thought, you know, what the

1:24

heck? What's the harm? Let's talk about it.

1:26

So Clint, let's do that. Yeah. Thank you

1:28

for having me again, Tom. By the way, I

1:30

found your book, the

1:32

story I told you last time where now

1:35

I have it signed. I'd sitting right over there. It

1:37

says to Clint best wishes, Tom

1:39

Woods, May of 2021. And

1:42

that was when I first met you and I said,

1:44

you don't know my name yet, Tom, but you will.

1:46

And I just laughed and then you laughed and now

1:48

you know my name. So it's just so cool. So

1:51

because with that, Clint, you are the one in 1000

1:55

cases of people saying something like that.

1:58

Yeah. Okay. Yep. But you

2:00

know, by the way, my most embarrassing moment

2:03

related to that was when I talked to

2:05

a guy who already was a name, but

2:07

I wasn't familiar with him and that's Phil Labonte of

2:10

All That Remains. Because when I met

2:12

him back in like 2012, I was still

2:14

like a complete goody two shoes on, you

2:16

know, in terms of the music I listened to. And

2:18

I still like all that stuff. And he

2:20

was saying, yeah, you know, I'm in a band and you

2:23

know how many people come up to me and say they're in

2:25

a band clip? Like half the world. It's like the number of

2:27

people who say they're working on an awful, it's everybody. Check

2:30

out my mixtape, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I said, oh

2:32

yeah, you know, I hope you do well. And then

2:34

I realized it's all that remains. And then finally, and

2:36

then I know we're gonna get into this LP stuff.

2:38

But my favorite story of being at a

2:41

concert, and I have been at, I mean, probably

2:43

close to 100, is my wife and

2:45

I went to see All That Remains. And Phil knew that

2:47

we were gonna be in the audience. They came to our

2:49

town. And partway through the show,

2:51

he says, this is just

2:53

such an amazing audience. You guys are

2:56

just great. And you know what's more,

2:58

I understand Tom Woods is in the

3:00

audience, and the place goes dead silent.

3:02

Like not a peep, nothing. The Venn

3:05

diagram of the overlap between our audiences

3:07

is nothing. But my

3:09

wife and I clapped and cheered. And so when

3:11

I saw Phil after, I said, those two people

3:13

cheering, that was her and me. That

3:16

was about it. It's still pretty cool to

3:18

be shouted out during a concert. Oh, I mean, it was great, but

3:20

it was just so funny the way it works. We

3:23

were definitely. All right, so, no,

3:25

you know, the thing is, we could go from start to finish,

3:27

but I just wanna pick things that I think are interesting. So

3:30

you were running for the VP slot. Just

3:33

explain really quickly what the rules are. Like how

3:35

does that work in the libertarian party? How do

3:37

they decide? Because we know that when the other

3:39

parties, they just announce, hey, I've chosen

3:41

so and so, and that's the end of it. What

3:43

happens here? Well, this is

3:45

exactly why I knew that RFK Jr. wasn't gonna

3:48

be an actual player in the LPs because he

3:50

announced Nicole Shanahan over a month ago. And I

3:52

was like, oh, okay, well, I'm

3:54

sure they've looked into it. And I'm sure they know that

3:56

that's not really possible because the way the

3:58

LP works is that the. delegates get

4:01

to select both the president and the vice presidential candidate.

4:03

And they do not have to like each other. They

4:05

don't have to have the same vision or worldview or

4:08

speaking style or anything. So that's

4:10

how it works is that there's multiple rounds

4:13

of elimination voting, then the

4:15

presidential candidate is selected and then immediately

4:17

when that's finished, the vice presidential

4:20

voting rounds begin by the delegates. So

4:23

it was a crazy Sunday. I ended up losing

4:25

47% to 51% and

4:28

I wish the best to the

4:30

ticket that ended up winning, but

4:32

I think they are going to have a major

4:35

uphill slog. Yeah, I mean,

4:37

Clint, I think you dodged a bullet to be

4:39

honest with you, even though I'm not saying that's

4:41

sour grapes, that's not sour grapes. No. That's

4:44

given the way it turned out, if it had turned out

4:46

differently, maybe you would have wanted to win, but in these

4:48

circumstances, I mean, you don't wanna be caught

4:50

up in this. So, all right, well, first of

4:52

all, I know you've had plenty of interaction

4:54

with Vivek before, but you had this opportunity

4:57

to interact with him on stage at

4:59

the convention. What was that all about and how'd that go? Well,

5:01

it went really well. Vivek is

5:04

basically a surrogate for Donald Trump. He

5:06

travels the country, he stands

5:08

outside courthouses and says how innocent he

5:10

is. And now apparently he also debates

5:13

third party vice presidential candidates.

5:16

And it ended up being more

5:18

of a round table. It was Dave

5:20

Smith moderating and they had

5:22

podiums set up because Vivek and I know

5:25

each other because Dave knows Vivek. We

5:27

said, hey, let's just put some

5:29

chairs around. Let's do a little half circle.

5:31

Let's make this more conversational. And

5:33

that's what we did. There's a lot

5:35

of respect from all sides. So there was no

5:38

real shouting matches, but I did

5:41

get a whole bunch of standing ovations because I couldn't

5:43

help, but had a few good one

5:45

liners. And he actually gave

5:47

me a fist pound mid applause

5:50

line one time. So I liked the guy a

5:52

lot. I spent some time with him in Iowa

5:55

and he's just a best I can tell

5:58

He's pretty close to us, ideologically. So.

6:00

I'm I'm glad that it didn't become contentious, and

6:02

I'm glad that he, and I mean I'm maintain

6:04

respect both before and afterwards. I'm

6:07

getting them back on here just that he's outta

6:09

town that I'm out of town, but we're gonna.

6:11

Work. I'd what this thing he posted

6:13

on twitter about. Buzz! Feed.

6:16

And. His proposal to them as was absolute brilliant.

6:18

so I'm I don't know they want to spoil

6:20

that I might to. Talk. To him about

6:22

that. In. Person. But surely

6:24

though, I'm. I can think of things

6:26

that I would say to vague. And

6:29

one of them would be one of the would be. Look. There's.

6:31

Something wrong. Now I at this

6:33

point. I'm. Very sympathetic to Trump

6:35

because of what's happened to of legally.

6:38

I. Think you have to be outta your my not

6:40

to be. It would be exceedingly petty at this point

6:42

not to be. After. What's but? I

6:44

mean this is this affects. All. Of

6:46

us, what's happened to the legal system? But.

6:49

All the same. I. Would still say to have

6:51

a vague. Dave. Smith Try to

6:53

kind of get you to admit that may

6:55

be Trump shouldn't have appointed Nikki Haley anything,

6:57

you know? I mean he. And. Even

7:00

their you couldn't bring yourself to say

7:02

a you had to say well I'm

7:04

not about Monday morning quarterbacking Donald Trump

7:06

if is Dave says I'm like why

7:08

am I do A lot of us

7:10

and. I mean like if you kit. You.

7:13

Don't worry, I think for all his faults I

7:15

think you could publically. Say look. Mitt.

7:17

Romney made some bad choices

7:19

and personnel. But. I really respect

7:21

him and whatever. Why couldn't you say that

7:23

about Donald Trump is are some the matter

7:25

with that guy that he can't take even

7:27

a tiny obviously deserve criticism like that? Think

7:29

I would have asked him that. Yeah,

7:32

or I mean I think that the

7:34

sad reality is that there is a

7:36

real cold a cult of personality around

7:38

Donald Trump. And I I don't think that.

7:41

Well. I. Think that it is as much

7:43

about Trump as it is about his base. Would.

7:45

Yeah, weird thing to say, but. There's. A

7:47

these major loyalty tess.

7:50

Like. Almost feel to you have to demonstrate to

7:52

the. Trump. I

7:54

don't know whatever. They perceive him to

7:57

be this deity like figure. And if

7:59

you remember. when Vivek was still

8:01

running for president in Iowa, actually,

8:03

while I was there, he said, you know,

8:05

there's a real distinct possibility. They try and lock Trump

8:08

up and maybe he does get locked up. And then

8:10

what are we going to do? Like it'd be good

8:12

if we had someone like me that was still on

8:14

offer, you know, speaking as Vivek, because

8:17

otherwise maybe we get left with Nikki Haley and

8:19

like, no, that's the last thing this country can

8:21

have. So that was his sales

8:23

pitch to this one random lady out

8:25

in Iowa. And the clip goes out,

8:27

it goes super viral. And the Trump

8:29

base is like, you traitor. Like

8:31

we knew you were running for president, but we didn't

8:33

know that you meant it. Like, this is crazy. You

8:35

know, and it was, you know, a real

8:38

moment of clarity for me that like, Oh, yeah,

8:40

if you challenge Trump at all, the

8:42

entire MAGA, you know, Make America Great

8:44

Again, America First movement really flips against

8:46

you. So I think that's the biggest

8:48

challenge is that like Vivek

8:50

clearly has areas of significant

8:53

disagreement with Donald Trump, but he

8:55

doesn't really espouse it or he doesn't, you know, express

8:57

it. And I think I understand why. Or he expresses

9:00

it, but he doesn't portray it as a disagreement with

9:02

Trump. He just says, here's some of my opinions. Now,

9:04

the other side of it is actually what alarmed

9:06

me. Not like I didn't already know

9:09

what we were dealing with, but there was

9:11

a moment where I think

9:13

Vivek started to think, I

9:16

might actually have a fighting chance after all

9:18

in Iowa. And suddenly

9:21

Trump went and said,

9:23

Vivek is not, he's

9:25

not a Make America Great Again guy. And

9:28

so suddenly they turned on him. But

9:30

about three days later, after

9:32

the voting, he's welcomed on the

9:34

stage and everybody loves him. So it's like,

9:36

that's not normal. Okay, everybody, that's not normal.

9:40

I don't begrudge you if you say, I think

9:42

Trump is the least damaging of the candidates.

9:44

But I do think it's weird. If

9:47

you'd like to guy, then dislike the guy,

9:49

then liked him again in the course of

9:51

one week because another guy told you to

9:53

like, that's not normal. You know, no, you

9:55

would never accept that in any other context. Right.

9:58

Exactly right. I Mean, this is why I say

10:00

it's kind of a cult like movement. Yeah, And.

10:02

I don't wanna have to cook. I don't want to

10:04

have to use language like this. but she. Yeah.

10:07

You know, I mean I get All you have to do is

10:09

say. You. Know we have an imperfect

10:11

situation here. But. On. Balance.

10:13

I think this is the best choice, but this is

10:15

like. Yeah. Kind of not so.

10:18

But yeah, I mean he's basically they're supreme leader

10:20

and you know, not all of them. I mean

10:22

so I know what I'm horses are that are

10:24

totally rational but I'm just right members time. But

10:26

this particular kind of person. I. I

10:29

don't personally. Know anyone like that

10:31

actually? But. I see them on T V

10:33

and I see through on social media exposure. Yeah,

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11:42

Want to talk more Libertarian party stuff? Yeah,

11:44

and I know that people may say, well

11:46

that's kind of old news and I know

11:48

it's old news, but you know, I

11:51

just can't help you know I'm sorry, I just

11:53

it's only been a week. Come on, this is

11:55

a big the. I know it's not that long

11:57

right? In the end you know there were made.

12:00

You're presidential candidates at the things. So yeah

12:02

so I or to I talked about the

12:04

Trump. Appearance with Jeff Dazed

12:06

and Dan Mccarthy think those pretty

12:08

good conversation. But there.

12:10

Are other things talk about two? And one thing

12:12

I didn't talk about. Because. Now

12:14

I think it's a footnote in the history books,

12:16

but. Still, I'm a gossip.

12:19

I. Like gossip. I'm. A gossip kind

12:21

of guy. I like the backstory I like to

12:23

buy way this is true of me and a

12:25

lot of different ways. I. Don't mean like

12:27

I. I want to read the National Enquirer,

12:30

but I mean like if I follow a band and

12:32

I really like them. I. Have all their

12:34

albums, I. Know all the personnel

12:36

changes. I know who has bad blood

12:38

with home. I. Know. When they

12:40

wrote what Song under what Circumstance Religious.

12:43

I. Can't help but. I I like that I like the

12:45

backstory so I'd like deal of the yellow bit of

12:47

backstory here. So. The.

12:49

Way the voting works. Yes,

12:52

the nomination process works. At the

12:54

Libertarian Party convention. My understanding is.

12:56

You. Have rounds of voting. Until.

12:59

A candidate hits fifty percent. And.

13:02

Whoever either is lower than five

13:04

percent or is the lowest vote

13:06

getter gets eliminated each round. Did.

13:09

I explained about right. Yeah, I think

13:11

that's exactly right. Okay the norm. not very

13:13

much in the weeds on the stuff but

13:15

I was on the floor saw I saw

13:17

that happening. so I just gonna deduced the

13:19

your rich and all that I'm yeah new

13:21

the algorithm but yeah certainly that's correct. Okay

13:24

so some people are

13:26

asking. And. My inbox is

13:28

full of this. Stable. Asking

13:30

how is it possible. That. Good,

13:33

normal, Libertarians who are

13:35

well schooled. And. Who

13:37

aren't fooled by every single left

13:39

wing fad that comes along. You.

13:42

Know that if those people managed to quote

13:44

unquote take over the party. How. Is

13:46

this bizarre outcome possible? With.

13:48

Someone who I get that on paper.

13:51

he's probably for free markets or whatever.

13:53

But. You know? at this point I think we have.

13:55

To be grownups, hear and understand. What?

13:58

Time it is and what's really have. Putting

14:00

in our society. And. I.

14:02

Feel like I'm on one side and that

14:04

person's on another. Joe. How was

14:06

it possible to get this outcome? A.

14:09

Can you answer that without necessarily have? To

14:11

drag anybody through. Another

14:14

round of. You. Know what?

14:16

right? I'll. Do my best. I

14:18

mean it's very complicated story I laid out

14:20

the very lengthy explanation on Will Be Locked

14:22

on a few days ago and but the

14:24

short version is that there was in a

14:27

warring tribes within the Libertarian party and. They're.

14:29

Called the Brags the pragmatics which are

14:32

really just the progressive versus the missus

14:34

caucus which is my people. Are

14:36

people as far as or just or as you

14:38

into the mix and on? The difference I think

14:41

is that. The. Pragmatics or.

14:44

There's. Still, Libertarians for the most part. but the

14:46

issue is that ended. This is my analysis of

14:48

the many of them All disagree with my assessment

14:50

on this. Some. Of them are just

14:52

really boring folks that don't like the fact that

14:54

in a we may be profane from time to

14:57

time or we may make. Off. Color

14:59

jokes in that they're just very like buttoned

15:01

up stuffy people. Some of them are that.

15:03

But. The majority of them are not. The majority of

15:06

them, in my opinion, are the types of folks

15:08

that have really imbibed of critical theory. They.

15:10

Have a very identity area world view which

15:12

it is far as I'm concerned is anathema

15:15

to libertarianism. Their. Collective is that

15:17

at the end of the day that's

15:19

what I see in and they are

15:21

obsessed with racism and trans phobia and

15:23

homophobia and they think that America has.

15:26

Many problems, but that's a very high

15:29

on their list. And I think that

15:31

the Macys Caucus season the opposite way.

15:33

that we see financial ruin because were

15:36

thirty five trillion dollars in debt, We

15:38

see civilizational decline because I'm in a

15:40

population reproduction. We see the potential for

15:42

world or three be these multiple proxy

15:45

wars, a nuclear powers. I. Just

15:47

think that our priorities are very different. And

15:50

as far as I'm concerned, I. Think

15:52

that. as a consequence of having

15:54

a critical theory i did italian

15:56

perspective on things they have in

15:58

a sense because some racists themselves

16:00

thinking that, you know, you

16:02

have to go out of your way to

16:05

craft a system that looks after minorities. And

16:07

it's like, that's just not libertarianism. Like

16:09

that's not, so that's the main divide. Yeah,

16:12

I've heard some of them say, well,

16:14

if black people are X percent of

16:16

the population and their net worth on

16:18

average is only Y percent of what

16:20

other peoples is, then there must be

16:22

systemic racism. No, there mustn't. I

16:25

mean, that's a huge leap. No, there, so

16:27

I guess Thomas Sowell would be unacceptable to

16:29

them. Because he has a million explanations

16:31

for this, all of which are benign. And,

16:35

you know, for heaven's sake, there has

16:37

literally never ever in all of recorded

16:39

history been a time when

16:41

there is more, quote, trans acceptance than

16:43

today. Literally never. Or gay acceptance, I

16:46

mean, goodness gracious. Literally never. You

16:48

have absolutely every power center in society

16:50

on your side, literally never.

16:53

And to say, well, that, that's our main,

16:56

I'm glad you live in a society like

16:58

this where you're comfortable enough that you can

17:00

be worried about nothing. Because that's

17:02

nothing compared to the real problems in the

17:04

world, that's nothing. We literally conquer

17:06

nations and put up gay pride flags. You

17:08

think that you're oppressed. In fact, you're probably

17:11

the real flag of our country at this

17:14

point. So it's just bizarre to me.

17:17

It feels like they're living in the 1950s or

17:19

something. Like

17:21

it's just not reality though. Like there

17:23

is very, very minimal oppression against these

17:26

groups. And it's very hard

17:28

to relate to those people, just to be

17:30

perfectly honest. Like I don't see the world

17:32

the same way that they do. And let

17:35

me add one other really important point. Because

17:37

they perceive things in this way. I don't

17:39

know how this correlates exactly. I think it's

17:41

like the blue pill versus red pill type

17:43

of divide. But they get every single topic

17:46

wrong in real time. And then they catch

17:48

up to us years later. Yeah. I've

17:50

seen it over and over again. Like they're

17:52

messed up and they're standing in line. They're

17:55

listening to the science with Fauci. Like they

17:58

are wrong over. and

18:00

over and over again, they're wrong on Russia,

18:02

Ukraine off the bat. They don't have any

18:04

idea about the backstory. They're wrong in Israel,

18:06

Palestine. Like, sure, they'll stand with us on

18:08

the right side of the demand when it

18:11

says like, hey, don't send troops, don't send

18:13

money over there. Like they can get that

18:15

right, but they get everything else wrong. They

18:17

buy into the corporate narrative on everything off

18:19

the bat. And then maybe 12 to 18

18:21

months later, they finally figured out, as far

18:23

as I'm concerned, that makes you worthless. Our

18:26

job is to change the conversation in this

18:28

country. If you were going along with the

18:30

corporate narrative for the first 18 months after

18:32

every story drops, you are useless to me.

18:35

So that's my take. Oh yeah,

18:37

absolutely. And come on with

18:40

the previous leadership, considered it

18:42

an embarrassment that people like you and me

18:45

were against the whole lockdown and mask

18:47

thing. Exactly. They considered that an embarrassment.

18:49

Like, yes, if you absolutely were pulling

18:51

their toenails off, they would say, yeah,

18:53

it shouldn't be mandatory, but we should

18:55

still be doing it. It didn't do

18:58

anything. Now, let's leave

19:00

aside the liberty aspect of it. It

19:02

didn't do anything. And you want to challenge

19:04

me on that? Good luck. I

19:07

wrote this book, Diary of a Psycho. I sent you a

19:09

copy of Diary of a Psycho. Yeah. It's

19:12

amazing. I mean, you can't defeat me on this. Nothing

19:16

came of it. It was all

19:18

for literally nothing. And

19:20

notice that it was me, you, Dave,

19:22

like the three guys that they hate

19:24

the most. Yeah, right. Who

19:27

nailed in the beginning? Exactly. Because

19:29

we could see. I could see as the numbers were coming in, this doesn't

19:31

do anything. And it absolutely doesn't.

19:33

And so that was what

19:35

I said at the Soho Forum with what would

19:37

have been my debate. I laid that

19:39

thing out better than I ever have. So

19:42

anyway, I finally had time to catch up

19:44

with Dave the other day about this whole

19:47

thing. And simultaneously, it was weird. I mean,

19:49

I'm not just a Dave fan boy,

19:51

but I was actually listening to part of the problem

19:53

while I was texting with him. And

19:56

he told this story in this episode of his own

19:58

recap episode. that he's walking around

20:01

it. And as with any of these things,

20:03

when you're somebody like Dave, you

20:05

can't walk five feet without somebody wanting

20:07

to get a picture or something signed

20:09

or whatever. And it's fun and great.

20:11

I mean, who doesn't love being

20:14

appreciated? But he says somebody walked up

20:16

to him wearing a phong and

20:19

said, you know, I'd like to

20:21

debate you on your immigration stance. And

20:24

so Dave said, well, you know, I did

20:26

just release this episode with Bob Murphy,

20:28

you might go listen to that. So no, I

20:30

mean like right now, I think we should have a give

20:32

and take. Now, first of all, even

20:34

if you weren't dressed in a phong, I

20:37

don't wanna use autistic in a negative way, you know

20:39

what I mean, as a pejorative, but like

20:41

how, let's just say socially inept would you

20:43

have to be to think, it's

20:45

appropriate for me to take a guy on

20:48

whom the demands on his time are

20:50

unbelievably great with the whole world wanting

20:52

to talk to him, but he really

20:54

needs to step away from that and

20:56

talk to me. It's extreme entitlement. Yeah,

20:59

and I'm wearing a phong because

21:03

I'm so clueless about how the world

21:05

works. I think that's what I'll do

21:08

and probably people will take me seriously. Yeah,

21:11

right. I mean, that is

21:13

also once again the divide. I mean, yeah,

21:15

sure, maybe Dave and I don't dress as

21:17

well as you do, Tom, but there still

21:19

is a level of seriousness with which we approach

21:21

these things. And I think that- I've never seen

21:23

you in a phong. No,

21:25

no, I mean, you'd have to

21:27

go back to my college days for that. I'm

21:31

kidding, I don't even think I did it then, but I

21:33

know exactly the gentleman you're talking about. He was

21:36

the one that was tackled, I don't know if

21:38

it was secret service or security during the Trump

21:40

speech. That very same person

21:42

was standing up on a chair,

21:44

holding up a sign, trying to

21:46

block out the view of the

21:48

thousand or so Trump supporters that

21:50

were standing or sitting behind the

21:52

more libertarian front area where I was

21:54

at. And it's like, there's

21:57

just a big difference between us and them, you know?

21:59

And I know that- That's also collectivist type of

22:01

talk but like I am but I you

22:03

know I actually saw these teams and like

22:05

there's a big difference like these from my

22:07

vantage point the people that are not in

22:09

my camp of the Libertarian party. many of

22:12

them are just not very serious people are

22:14

they don't seems as if it's a club

22:16

for them. It seems as if it's like

22:18

that's where they get their social interactions. It

22:20

yes them feel better about their lives. I

22:22

was not that guy. I had a great

22:24

life before the Libertarian party all have our

22:27

life after it. I am there because I

22:29

want to set. The world? Free or not.

22:31

really the world. I want to set my town,

22:33

my state a little bit more free. My family,

22:35

my loved ones like. that's what I really care

22:38

about. I was never involved because I wanted to

22:40

be no. Hang. Out with you people,

22:42

get smith minutes like that's not what of.

22:44

Therefore I yeah political parties as a tool.

22:46

I love many of the people there particular

22:49

that Mrs Cock his folks. yeah to the

22:51

Mcardle she's raise April so you know that's

22:53

my outlook. There's just a real different approach

22:55

when it comes to like what is the

22:58

purpose of Libertarian party or my gets a

23:00

tool to try and get some liberty minded

23:02

policies enacted. Actually could I just transition quickly

23:04

into why I think Dave may be. Overselling.

23:08

The failure of this. Oh. Please

23:10

yet love to hear that? Yeah, so. On.

23:12

His show yesterday it finally he finally got

23:14

a chance to put a recap out and

23:16

obviously Daves falling on his sword in he's

23:19

taken all the blame and. I respect

23:21

the hell out of him for, but it's totally unnecessary.

23:23

I think that the guy has done. More.

23:25

For. Really? Bail P

23:27

or Libertarianism then probably anybody over the

23:29

past few years So and certainly over

23:31

the past month at me. What he's

23:33

done over the past month is unbelievable

23:36

going on such enormous shows. So.

23:39

I. Think that he's overseeing that. but I think more

23:41

than that. He's. Overstating the failure

23:43

of the me he says caucus

23:45

a particularly if. What? We're being

23:47

told about. The. Cabinet.

23:50

Position is like. Did. You

23:52

hear this part of the Trump's speech where

23:54

of yeah delay idol thing. So yeah I

23:57

mean if that's true, that. My.

23:59

Understanding is it is. is true that Ross

24:02

Albrecht will be, his sentence

24:04

will be, I forget the terminology. Commuted?

24:06

Yeah, commuted, thank you. His sentence will be

24:09

commuted on day one. That's a life saved.

24:11

I know Lynn Albrecht, that's very personal to

24:13

me. That is an incredible victory. And

24:15

then Trump's offer was that he was

24:17

going to put multiple libertarians on essentially

24:20

the criminal justice review board. If

24:22

that's true, hundreds, maybe

24:25

thousands of lives get saved because

24:27

of the pressure that the Mises

24:29

Caucus within the Libertarian Party put

24:31

on the GOP to ultimately concede

24:33

to our demands. That's high level

24:36

power negotiations. That's a big deal. I mean,

24:38

if you could save some lives, that's a

24:40

really big deal. Also, there's the

24:43

talk of him potentially putting someone in his cabinet.

24:45

There's also the chance that Vivek appears

24:47

to be, as far as I'm concerned,

24:50

the favorite for the White House in 2028. And

24:54

he's way closer to us than Donald Trump

24:56

is. So I think

24:58

that there's lots of reasons for hope, particularly

25:00

when the Libertarian Party

25:02

hasn't gotten any concessions,

25:05

as far as I know, from any major

25:07

party in history. Now, the

25:09

question, the big piece of doubt

25:11

is, will Trump follow through? And

25:14

we don't know. So the answer is, if he

25:16

wins and if he gets in there, and if he does

25:18

the things that he said to us, well,

25:21

then that's the biggest win we've ever had. So

25:24

I just wanted to reframe it as,

25:27

there's a real chance that hundreds of people's

25:29

lives are saved or improved

25:31

because of our efforts. And that's a big deal.

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Ross were freed, that would be the

26:48

most important thing the Libertarian party had

26:50

ever accomplished. honestly. Right! It

26:52

is such an injustice and. I.

26:55

Can't imagine a of course I've met his mother

26:57

a bunch of times cause she's a great advocate

26:59

for him. She came on, you know, when I

27:01

used to do the contract cruise. I'm doing a

27:03

new cruiser next year, but. She. Came on

27:06

the cruise one year and gave a talk

27:08

to everybody explain the situation and I just

27:10

can't imagine the weight that that woman carries

27:12

on her shoulders every single day. And.

27:15

And I will say he's very, very

27:17

lucky to have a mom like that

27:19

who is absolutely tireless in advocating for

27:21

him so could not agree more. Even

27:24

the prospect. Of. Having this reversed

27:26

is A And but not only

27:28

that, Suddenly. You notice

27:30

the trend and google searches for the name

27:32

Ross Ulbricht. That shot through the

27:34

roof. So the awareness of the situation

27:37

is now much higher than it was

27:39

before. So. Let's say, even

27:41

if Trump screws you, You. At

27:43

the very least, way more people know about

27:45

the situation. And. There's a greater likelihood

27:48

that something could at some point happen and

27:50

then consider this to what if the by

27:52

the administration says hey, that's a win for

27:54

Trump, he might get a million Two million

27:56

additional Libertarians to vote for him just for

27:58

Ross Ulbricht. We pardon Ross

28:00

in July. Let's just rip the

28:02

wind right out of his sails. Okay, awesome.

28:06

I mean, that would be a great outcome too. But

28:08

the thing is they, I believe that the Biden

28:11

people are so full

28:13

of spite and viciousness

28:16

that even though that makes

28:18

perfect strategic sense, they just couldn't bring

28:20

themselves to do it. I

28:22

would love to think otherwise. Yeah, and they

28:24

might, they might not. They probably won't,

28:26

as you said, but I'm just saying, I totally

28:29

agree with your analysis. It's a really big deal.

28:31

I had Lynn Ulrich on my show, I don't

28:34

know, almost two years ago now, and it's the first time

28:36

I've ever cried on my show. Oh

28:38

my, yeah. I couldn't hold it in. It was

28:40

just, it was so beautiful, her

28:42

love for her son, but also so heartbreaking.

28:44

Because I think at the time he had been in

28:47

prison for nine years, it's like nine

28:49

years, man, for a website. Like this

28:51

is unreal. It's just such a grave

28:53

injustice. I hope we discover that little

28:55

by little, as long as he's stuck in there, he's

28:57

been writing a book because

28:59

would I ever like to read that? No kidding.

29:02

Well, and let me just say one other thing is like,

29:05

the offer from Trump is not just

29:07

some simple horse trading. Like what

29:10

he was saying, now I don't, again, I don't

29:12

trust politicians. I find it very hard to believe

29:14

that any of this is true, but

29:16

he was basically offering an alliance.

29:18

He was saying, hey, how about

29:20

we just combine forces in

29:23

perpetuity? Like, let's just do this. And

29:26

that's a very interesting angle. I mean,

29:29

that is basically, you know, paleo strategy

29:31

on steroids. Like if they will actually

29:33

bring us in, if they will actually

29:35

put us on their team and make

29:38

us consultants to who

29:40

will be in his cabinet or who

29:42

does deserve a pardoning, that's

29:44

a big deal. If they put us

29:46

in charge of being economic advisors or

29:48

have some say when it comes to

29:50

foreign policy, imagine a Scott Horton, not

29:52

even being in secretary of defense, that's

29:54

pretty delusional, but imagine him just having

29:56

an ability to do one of

29:58

those Scott Horton calls calls you up in the middle

30:00

of the night, and he spends an hour and a half, just two and

30:03

a year off about, you know, how Bush destroyed

30:05

Somalia or whatever. It's like, that's

30:07

a big deal. So I think that's

30:09

very interesting. Whether or not it bears

30:11

fruit is kind of TBD, but I

30:14

think it's a monumental, potential paradigm shifting

30:16

thing. Well, I'm happy to

30:18

say that I shouldn't mention names, but it'll

30:20

probably be obvious. That there was

30:22

somebody who became pretty high profile over the

30:25

past year or so, whose

30:27

team would regularly write to me

30:29

and say, our guy could use

30:31

a briefing on such and such topic, who's

30:33

your best guy? And I would

30:35

line them up and they would have the meeting.

30:37

And this happened at least three times on three

30:40

super important topics. So I feel

30:42

like, you know, that's not bad. No,

30:44

that's amazing. And again, I would actually

30:46

be quite happy, although I don't see any

30:49

prospect of it, but I would

30:51

be content just to get Colonel McGregor back

30:54

in a higher profile position in

30:56

the Defense Department or somewhere, because

30:59

he's got good views and he's really

31:01

smart. He doesn't take any guff from

31:03

anybody. So he's not easily,

31:06

you can't rattle him because he knows too

31:08

much. So he

31:10

would be tremendous. And he has the

31:12

most sober analysis on Russia,

31:15

Ukraine, Israel, Palestine. Like he

31:17

doesn't approach it from our

31:19

camp's position. He's just like, this

31:21

isn't winnable. This is

31:23

extraordinarily dangerous. This isn't in our country's interests.

31:26

It's not in our national interest. Like that's

31:28

his analysis, but I could not agree more.

31:30

He would be an amazing addition to the

31:32

Trump team if that's possible. So

31:35

tell me about the mood when

31:37

it became, at what point in the

31:39

seven rounds of voting, did you

31:41

actually begin to think Chase might win

31:43

this thing? Not until round five.

31:46

I mean, because the way it works

31:48

is there, as these people get knocked

31:50

off, the person who or the team

31:52

that gets knocked off, their delegates ultimately

31:55

scatter to the wind. They go into

31:57

whatever camp is their second choice. It

32:00

was like. Thirty. Four percent or something

32:02

like that for wrecked and world and they'll be

32:04

like twenty six percent like there was a big

32:06

yeah. I didn't think that they could make

32:08

it up necessarily, and in truth, they wouldn't have

32:11

been able to make it up. So it comes

32:13

down to. Basically. A for horse

32:15

race one of those horses doesn't

32:17

have a head cold Noda men

32:19

of the above of but the

32:22

three horses that mattered were Term

32:24

Are and Chase and Writing World

32:26

and they knew that in that

32:28

round. They. Had to make a deal and

32:30

they made that deal. They. Reached out Chase

32:32

Albers team reached out to to my. On.

32:35

The floor. I'm stand there watching it happen. So they

32:37

reach out to him and they say. Are.

32:39

To mot says. You. Give me

32:41

the Vp slut. And. I will

32:43

or of your support Huge! Throw your delegates

32:45

to me for Vp. All through my delegates

32:47

you for president like they create a ticket

32:49

in real time. Like. In

32:51

a heartbeat. And in that moment, Like.

32:54

We realize, okay, that is enough. If

32:56

they combine their forces, it's gonna be

32:58

very close. Like probably. Fifty. One

33:00

forty nine, one where the other. But that is

33:02

A that's a that. That was our only chance.

33:04

So. They yeah coalition built in the

33:06

twenty third. Our. Highs. And

33:09

Dave. And. Even right the world turn

33:11

around me and they say cause a term outcomes over

33:13

them he says hey. Gimme. The

33:15

same deal ago with you guys. So basically

33:17

they're as he's asking them. A

33:19

scumbag his ask if he's as good

33:22

the hey Gimme Clips slot and I'll

33:24

throw my delegates to you guys. So.

33:27

They turn to me because they're decent human beings

33:29

and they say clint, are you good with this

33:31

It takes me about fifteen seconds because I buy

33:33

think about like what that ticket ultimately looks like

33:35

and I'm like a man. Really like. Or

33:38

can have a cop okay his eyes and then

33:40

is like fifteen seconds later and I just say

33:42

look if he gets the deal done I won't

33:44

like so many people have put in so much

33:47

work to make this happen. I would like out

33:49

at least one presidential ticket with the top messenger

33:51

that it least says what I believe. Or.

33:54

make it out and make the offer they make

33:56

the offer and ten seconds later to mock goes

33:58

to chase oliver anyways yeah So yeah,

34:00

yeah, yeah. And the thing is he'd been telling

34:03

people that he recognized that it would

34:05

be terrible for the party to get,

34:08

have chase at the top. So not

34:10

that I want to, he was right. Yeah. Well, not

34:12

that I want to insert any contention

34:15

into the situation, but chase, just

34:17

so you know, the guy

34:19

you have on your ticket thinks you're a

34:21

disaster. I've just, you know, that's going

34:23

to be something you might want to talk through at

34:25

some point, you know, maybe with a therapist or a

34:28

third party or something, but it's going to be rough.

34:30

Okay. It's kind of like

34:33

a Trump Pence situation. Maybe I

34:35

don't know, but yeah, same energy for

34:37

sure. Yeah, but I mean, my main

34:39

takeaway was like, man, I don't like,

34:42

and I've been saying this for months, but

34:44

politics is just so dirty. Like, what are

34:46

we talking about here? Like, this is to

34:48

be the president and vice presidential candidate for

34:50

the Libertarian Party. We're going to get 1%

34:52

of the vote. If you're lucky, this election

34:54

cycle since RFK juniors in there and you

34:56

guys are willing to backstab and just, you

34:58

know, be so shady. And this is another

35:00

dividing line between I think our camps is

35:02

that my perception of the Mises caucus folks

35:04

is that they're honorable people that really want

35:06

to help, you know, make

35:09

the world more righteous. Like, it's not

35:11

just about winning power. Like, I want

35:13

to win power because I want more righteous

35:15

people in power. Like, that's my perspective on

35:17

these things. And a lot of these people

35:19

are like lie, cheat, steal, just

35:21

do whatever it takes to get in that

35:23

slot. And I'm like, I don't relate to

35:25

you. I think you're a bad person. If

35:27

you're willing to do that to try and

35:30

get the VP slot of the libertarian ticket.

35:32

I know. What kind of person are you?

35:34

If you get in real power, you will

35:36

be a total corrupt lunatic. Yeah. So hard

35:39

pass. Yeah. Yeah. I

35:41

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I guess I'm going to push a little bit on the spot here.

37:09

Clint So. Where. Are you in terms

37:11

of the Libertarian Party today? The

37:14

very tough question because it's will First it's

37:16

pretty fresh in a like. the the last

37:18

is pretty fresh. So. Dave.

37:20

Has already said he's taking a bit of

37:22

a step back. I feel like I probably

37:24

will over the next five months just because.

37:27

Like. I have to distance my brand

37:29

of Libertarianism from the Chase Oliver Termite

37:31

brand of Libertarianism. Like I don't relate

37:33

to these people they're going to message

37:35

in a very woke way. They're already

37:37

holding up signs that say you know.

37:40

Racism. Doesn't live here whatever garbage,

37:42

yeah, latitude, and it's like I just

37:44

I don't want I don't want to

37:46

be connected to them at all. Once.

37:49

That passes. you know i'm

37:51

not at all opposed to still being involved

37:54

with the libertarian party in fact the mrs

37:56

caucus took twenty of twenty five board seats

37:58

for the next to use sew [unk] Yeah,

38:00

the progressive wing is in control for

38:02

the next five months, but the

38:04

Mises caucus still has control. And I

38:06

think that once his disastrous presidential run

38:08

is over, there's a still a

38:10

chance to build something really special, but

38:12

I'll have those conversations once we get closer

38:14

to that. Cause for now, I'm

38:16

not going to be assisting this ticket whatsoever.

38:20

If you found out in 2028 that the vague was

38:23

going to get the GOP nomination, would

38:25

you go GOP for that election? I

38:28

mean, particularly if I get to see him

38:30

in Trump's cabinet, if he

38:32

actually like gets to implement some of

38:34

his policy proposals, cause in terms of

38:36

rhetoric, yeah, yeah, I would. But

38:39

in terms of action, I would like to just

38:41

see that he's the real deal because there are

38:43

some major shifts in his political

38:46

worldview over the past few years that I

38:48

want to make sure he's sincere. So that's the

38:50

only thing holding me back from being a pretty

38:52

big, vague supporter is that I don't know if

38:54

he's telling me the truth. I mean, he is

38:56

a politician and I don't know. And I don't

38:59

trust politicians. I'm a libertarian. What can

39:01

I say? Yeah, no, I hear you. So

39:03

would you say there was a highlight of the weekend for

39:05

you? I mean, it's gotta be, okay, other

39:08

than being on the stage with Dave and Vivek. Yes.

39:11

What would you say? I mean, yeah, you walk away

39:13

with some real disappointment, no doubt, but do

39:15

you walk away with memories that you'll

39:17

cherish? Oh, so many.

39:19

I mean, like this is why it's, some

39:22

people were very upset with my breakdown

39:25

of the debate that I did on my show. Cause

39:27

I was just like, this was such a great week.

39:29

Like this might've been the best week of my life.

39:31

It was so awesome. And I lost. And

39:33

they're like, oh, you don't care at all. It's like,

39:35

no, no, no, you gotta understand. I

39:38

mean, we're not gonna win anyways. So like

39:40

this for me is always about experience, building

39:43

who I am as a person. Like I've

39:46

suffered terrible stage fright

39:48

or anxiety forever. So

39:50

this is the first time in my life in the

39:52

biggest moment on the biggest stage,

39:54

talking to the most important people

39:57

I've ever engaged with. I open for freaking

39:59

Donald Trump. for God's sakes, like, can we

40:01

just put into perspective how unbelievably

40:03

crazy that is that some dude playing beach

40:05

volleyball four years ago and running

40:07

a mortgage company is now opening up for

40:09

the former and future president of the United

40:11

States. Yeah, I mean, I had

40:14

an amazing weekend and I've never

40:16

performed better and I did it on the

40:18

biggest stage and I'm just so thrilled with

40:20

that. And more than that, what

40:22

really made me feel good is that

40:25

from that debate performance on Friday night,

40:28

it was like the wind had been basically

40:30

barely blowing in our sails and then it

40:32

was just like, like I felt for

40:34

the first time as if I had been, you

40:37

know, the day for our camp, like it

40:39

absolutely reignited the passion. On Saturday, everyone was

40:41

just locked in. They were like, we got

40:43

this, like this, there's no way. Like Clint

40:45

just beat Vivek Ramaswamy in a debate, every

40:47

conversation round table. He had the better highlights.

40:50

I don't wanna say beat, but they

40:52

were like, how could they possibly

40:54

go against him? How could they possibly

40:56

go against the Mises caucus ticket? They

40:58

say that we're basically faux fake Republicans.

41:00

Well, did it look like it? Did it

41:02

look like that? Did it look like he was playing softball

41:04

with him? So I don't know. It

41:06

just kind of reignited the flame

41:08

ever so briefly, felt just phenomenal. And then

41:11

all the hugs and love and everything else.

41:13

I mean, it's a beautiful thing. I still

41:15

love those guys. So yeah, that

41:18

for me, the highlight highlight though, was

41:20

after that debate, Dave, you

41:22

know, behind the stage, just

41:24

gives me a big hug and he says, Clint, I

41:26

couldn't have done anything better. And I was like, that's

41:29

it. I did it. That

41:31

is beautiful. Dave says that there's

41:33

nothing better than that. That is

41:35

high praise. Dave is such an

41:37

incredibly effective communicator. And

41:39

you know, look, maybe this will be viewed as

41:42

petty, but you know, I've been called worse. When

41:45

I think about the two, you know, like

41:47

the divide between us and the other people

41:50

in the party, I think, well, I

41:52

think our side has the more impressive

41:54

people in general. I

41:56

mean, Dave is a very impressive guy, which

41:59

is why. he winds up

42:01

despite having dissident views, he

42:03

winds up on huge platforms

42:05

again and again and again. He's

42:08

just vastly better than he's vastly

42:10

better than any of us in a lot of cases. But

42:14

certainly, I mean, who have they got? And

42:17

I also think, even though I know

42:19

Michael Malice is not a political guy, and he certainly would not

42:21

be in the LP, I sometimes

42:23

think, well, who would you like to hang out

42:25

with on the weekend? You got Dave,

42:27

Scott Horton, Michael Malice,

42:29

Clint Russell, or whoever

42:32

the hell. You know what I mean? Star

42:34

child, that dude didn't even thought. It just,

42:36

you know, the incredible thing that has

42:38

happened to me here, Clint, is that I went

42:40

through my time as a young man being

42:43

the nerd, you know, not in the cool

42:45

crowd. And suddenly, I feel

42:47

like at least in the party of nerds,

42:50

I'm on the cool side. I'm not in the stuffed

42:52

shirt, vote for Bill Weld side. I'm

42:54

on the cool rackle side all of a sudden.

42:57

And I kind of enjoyed that. Heck

42:59

yeah, man. And then I think Dave plays a big part

43:02

in that. I think like

43:04

what has held the libertarian movement

43:06

back a lot to like normies

43:08

is that so many of our messengers,

43:11

present company excluded, but so many of our

43:13

messengers just come across as like kind

43:16

of autistic, like boring, you know,

43:18

like just too in

43:20

their heads and not enough

43:22

charisma, not enough emotional intelligence.

43:25

Charisma is what we lack. Yes,

43:27

a hundred percent. Yeah, but our

43:30

side has more of it, I'll say. Yes,

43:32

of course. But I mean, Dave plays

43:34

a huge part of that. I mean, the whole reason I

43:36

got so inspired is because I heard Dave on Rogan in

43:38

2016. And I was like, oh,

43:41

it's funny Ron Paul. Like

43:43

that's what I heard. I was like, it's

43:45

charismatic, funny Ron Paul, who's more

43:47

profane and more, you know, my speed.

43:49

Same age as me. I was like, this is it. We

43:52

got our guy. And, you know,

43:54

I think that's what's enabling us to reach

43:56

audiences that we've never done before, is that

43:58

If you can say it in a way, that's. Not just compelling.

44:00

Also, Daves a good looking dude, but

44:03

he's also funny. so it's like this

44:05

is the package Man like. that's how

44:07

you actually breakthrough. You take or wonky.

44:09

You know, academic ideas and you can

44:11

now get them on Tucker Carlson and

44:13

Candace Owens and tonight debating Andrew Cuomo

44:15

and Patrick Ben David. I mean, the

44:17

dude is just absolutely crushing right now,

44:19

so I'm thrilled. Are

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