0:00

What is up everyone and welcome to the

0:02

WANCHO happy new year. Yeah a new

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year same be whole new

0:06

year Yeah, it's a whole different number

0:10

In the date no new no

0:12

new year resolutions Wow not even 16

0:14

K Good

0:17

joke good job Linus X

0:20

can't afford mr. Beast mr.

0:23

Beast and Elon Musk went back

0:26

Hmm, I don't know if there was much forth, but

0:28

they definitely discussed the issue on X

0:31

Twitter. What was the X?

0:34

Was formerly X Twitter X Twitter. That's

0:36

what hey that actually works. Does anyone

0:38

else call it X Twitter? No, but I

0:41

kind of like it cool So we'll be

0:43

talking about that as well as just sort

0:45

of creator monetization And why it is such

0:47

a challenge for platforms like X Twitter to

0:50

afford a creator like mr. Beast the

0:54

Manufacture sabotaged Polish trains with DRM so we'll be

0:56

talking a little bit about that what else we

0:58

got did I manage to pick you two? You

1:01

got one of them. Yes. I'm now

1:04

looking for a replacement and Trying

1:06

to find the one that oh

1:08

yeah international hackers hit water supply

1:11

infrastructure Scary anytime anyone

1:13

hits infrastructure. It's kind of like oh

1:16

Everyone kind of realizes that that can happen

1:18

again for the however many a

1:20

time yeah, yeah Oh, yeah

1:23

that thing yeah, yeah, that's why

1:25

the nuclear football uses like floppy disks

1:27

or whatever it does That's

1:30

it you got one But

1:32

what about the drug dealers in the drones? Year

1:35

old I Guess there's

1:38

there's follow-up information that's more new so

1:40

yeah drug drug dealers are using they're

1:42

using drones Because they'll

1:44

use Anything the

1:47

last thing I saw was avocados I Know

1:51

they've put them in submarines this

1:53

week before CES is historically a

1:56

Super super slow week for news because

1:58

everyone is saving everything for next week

2:00

but everyone's saving everything everyone's on vacation we can

2:02

talk through some leaks and stuff it'll be fun

2:04

it'll still be a good show you guys don't

2:06

even watch this for the news who cares why

2:34

don't we jump into our first

2:36

topic today which is a pretty

2:38

small topic all things considered mr.

2:40

beast recently had a random crypto

2:42

enthusiast respond to him promoting a

2:44

video on twitter that

2:47

he should hate you know mr.

2:49

Beast Jimmy why don't you

2:51

upload the video directly to the

2:53

platform instead of just posting

2:56

a link to where people can go watch the

2:58

video which historically does not

3:00

perform very well compared to an

3:02

organic tweet now obviously it's mr.

3:04

Beast so his video his post

3:06

is just I uploaded go watch

3:08

or I'll drop kick you and

3:11

it has 66,000 likes

3:13

but for him that is not

3:16

a ton of engagement

3:18

that's that's you know on the lower

3:20

side so that's been the case for

3:22

a long time just you know simple

3:25

short self-promotional tweets don't perform as well as

3:27

when you try and come up with something

3:29

really engaging and really unique that you know

3:31

serves the Twitter audience really well so

3:34

it's a it's a really valid question why not

3:36

just upload the content here and people can just

3:39

watch it and Jimmy

3:41

responded saying okay hold on

3:44

first Elon Musk pitched

3:46

and he goes yeah yeah

3:49

ten thousand likes ten thousand likes and

3:51

so Jimmy responded I

3:53

think a really actually succinct

3:56

version of what I'll kind of try and talk

3:58

to you guys about in there He

4:00

basically goes, my videos cost millions to

4:02

make, and even if they got a

4:04

billion views on X, it wouldn't fund

4:06

a fraction of it. Um,

4:09

colon, forward slash, face.

4:11

Um, I'm down

4:13

to test stuff once monetization is

4:16

really cranking. And this is a

4:18

really good point that I think

4:20

a lot of people don't necessarily

4:23

understand about platforms. I've been

4:25

asked a

4:27

thousand times about at

4:29

least multiple dozens of alternate

4:31

platforms. Linus, why don't you

4:33

upload your videos here?

4:35

I was about to say 2X

4:38

as a variable. That

4:41

doesn't work. Okay. Linus, why

4:43

don't you upload your videos to... Dailymotion,

4:47

except we did. Yeah, yeah. Why don't

4:49

you upload your videos to Dailymotion? Why

4:51

don't you upload them to, you know,

4:54

Rumble or Odyssey or any of the

4:56

countless alternate video platforms? And

4:58

the answer is always, guys, the

5:01

economics of it just don't make

5:04

any sense because it can

5:06

only be one of two ways, right? You've

5:09

either got the ability to get a lot

5:12

of views with a very, very

5:14

low per view monetization rate. That's

5:17

YouTube. Or you've

5:19

got the ability to get very few

5:21

views with a very high monetization rate.

5:23

So that's going to be something more

5:25

along the lines of like a... What's

5:29

that? Not masterclass, but the one where it's

5:31

like it pays out based on how many

5:33

views you get. I can't remember, but you

5:36

know, something like selling a course or something

5:38

like that, that's just about the highest possible

5:40

CPM you can get because each individual who

5:42

buys the course is going to pay 10

5:44

or 20 or $50 or $100 or whatever

5:47

the case may be. So

5:51

there's your spectrum. And the

5:53

problem is that unless your name

5:55

is Google and you happen

5:58

to own YouTube, at least This

6:00

is true in the Western world. The

6:02

economics of anything that's

6:04

not paying like this, getting

6:07

less than hundreds of thousands or

6:09

millions of views just doesn't

6:11

make any sense. Flowplane

6:15

sits kind of somewhere in between where

6:17

people pay anywhere from the OGs, pay

6:19

$3 a month, anywhere up to, I

6:21

think our highest tier is $10 a

6:23

month. And even

6:25

then, we have to put a

6:27

ton of work into making that platform appealing to

6:29

people. We have to upload a bunch of extra

6:31

content. So it ends up being kind of a

6:34

mix. It ends up being

6:36

our regular content at a much

6:38

higher monetization rate, but then it

6:40

ends up being this other, much

6:42

higher cost content at a, I

6:44

shouldn't say higher cost, it's lower

6:46

cost, but it's not going to

6:48

other platforms that also contribute to it. So

6:51

Flowplane has to bear that cost completely on

6:53

its own. So we have this other sort

6:55

of exclusive or behind the scenes or whatever

6:57

else it is that sits on

7:00

there that is paid for by those subscribers. So that kind

7:02

of sits somewhere in between. So there's kind of your spectrum.

7:04

And the reality of it is that Twitter,

7:07

X Twitter's monetization is just

7:10

not even close. Even

7:13

if you're a person sitting in front

7:15

of your webcam, I

7:17

am not sure if even at, let's

7:21

forget about MrBeast because there's only one

7:23

person. If we do the math based

7:25

on MrBeast, there's only one person

7:27

to whom that's relevant. And his

7:30

name is Jimmy. Whereas

7:32

if we talk about it, maybe more along the

7:34

lines of, let's say someone who would have

7:37

a quarter million to a million subscribers on

7:39

YouTube. Okay, so you're someone

7:41

who's getting realistically, probably somewhere

7:43

between 10, 15,000 views a video to

7:47

maybe 250,000 views a video, somewhere in that

7:49

range. Even

7:53

if you could port your entire

7:55

YouTube audience over to

7:57

X Twitter, you'd

7:59

be looking at maybe tens

8:01

of dollars for

8:04

that video, which if it's just you

8:06

in a webcam, may

8:08

actually be viable. But

8:11

if it's anything beyond that, you're

8:14

probably paying yourself less than

8:16

minimum wage. And you

8:18

might say, okay, well, are you really though? Because

8:20

it's just purely incremental, right? Why

8:24

not just have the little ex cherry on top

8:26

of all your views on YouTube or whatever else?

8:29

You got to understand from a creator's

8:31

point of view, at least if you're

8:33

a business minded one, there's an opportunity

8:35

cost for everyone who watches on this

8:37

platform where the monetization is very low.

8:41

Anywhere you're uploading, you're theoretically trying

8:43

to drive more people there. So

8:45

like, if

8:47

it's worse, why are you driving

8:49

people there? Especially when most of the

8:51

people looking for videos are probably going to be on

8:54

YouTube anyways, when you're looking for

8:56

publicly freely accessible videos. So people

8:58

often ask themselves or ask out

9:00

loud even, you know, why

9:02

is it that YouTube has this

9:05

seeming monopoly on VOD

9:07

content? And there's a lot of

9:09

answers for how it came to be the way

9:11

that it is right now. But

9:13

as for why it is the way it is

9:15

right now, you know, why are why do Twitch

9:18

streamers want to get a

9:20

foothold on YouTube? Why do tick tockers

9:22

want to make a transition over to

9:24

YouTube? The answer is simple. And it's

9:26

that people like to be

9:28

paid for their work and YouTube offers

9:30

by far the best compensation for their

9:33

work. And that's not it's not just

9:35

like, oh, it's all about the money.

9:37

It's like, think about

9:39

it this way. If in the morning,

9:42

you got dressed, brush your

9:44

teeth, ate some

9:46

oatmeal, and you had

9:48

the option to go to one

9:51

of six different places. And

9:54

one of them paid the most. And

9:56

you did the exact same job. And

9:58

your job wasn't. you know,

10:01

to manufacture, you know,

10:04

the train that runs over people or, you know, the lever

10:06

that doesn't seem to work to prevent the train from running

10:08

over people or, you know, whatever the case may be. As

10:11

long as what you're doing is not, you

10:13

know, obviously morally abhorrent. Yeah. Well,

10:16

which one do you drive to? I

10:19

think it's a pretty obvious answer. You go

10:21

to the one that compensates you best and

10:24

YouTube has this, for

10:26

better or for worse, very

10:29

powerful machine that ensures that if you

10:31

are able to get views on the

10:33

platform, you are able to be paid.

10:39

Luke's calling someone. Yeah, don't worry about it. Well,

10:41

this is very interesting. I know. I

10:44

would love to know who we're going to be talking to live on

10:46

the show today. Are we planning to tell them they're live on the

10:48

show? We're not talking to anybody live on the show. We are not

10:50

talking to anybody. We're not talking to them. Okay.

10:53

Wow. This is very mysterious. Anyway,

10:58

we actually do have monetization enabled on

11:00

X Twitter and I thought I would

11:02

just share with you guys. We

11:05

don't upload a ton of video, but

11:07

we have uploaded some videos that have

11:10

gotten, you know, thousands of views or

11:12

whatever. Typically,

11:15

ah, man, I'm trying to think. I actually

11:17

don't know what a thousand views is worth

11:19

on YouTube. It really, it varies a lot.

11:21

But the point is we have a pretty

11:24

active Twitter account, fair amount of engagement and

11:26

this should give you some idea of why

11:28

people don't really, why

11:31

someone like Jimmy might not bother. So

11:34

here's all of our payouts for

11:37

the last, I guess, you know, three

11:39

months or whatever. Anywhere

11:42

from, you know, 60, 60. Oh,

11:46

I mean, this could be 65 anything. Oh,

11:48

65.99. Okay. I don't

11:50

know. It could have been, there could have been

11:52

another, there could have been another digit in there or something like that.

11:57

Let's say for the sake of argument. typical

12:00

views does Jimmy get on a video? 50 million to

12:02

100 million? Is that a pre-fair

12:04

range? Why don't we say 100 million? Sounds fair. I

12:06

don't really look at them, but that sounds about right.

12:08

So let's say Jimmy is 100 times

12:11

our size. Let's say we get 1 million. Let's take kind

12:13

of a mid to upper range for him. Let's take a

12:16

lower range for us. We typically get a million to 2

12:18

million. So let's say we get a million views of video

12:20

and let's say he gets 100 million views

12:22

of video. He's 100 times our size. He

12:24

would make, let's say

12:26

for the sake of argument. If you say 50

12:28

to 100, none of his get 50. Oh,

12:31

okay. So he's way above that now. Yeah. Okay.

12:33

I haven't looked in a while. Yeah. Usually

12:35

it's like 80 to 200. It's

12:38

where I'm seeing most of them. Okay. So let's

12:40

say 150. So let's say, okay, let's say he's

12:42

150 times our size. So he would

12:46

get around 10 grand from

12:48

Twitter, assuming he had a similar strategy to us,

12:50

you know, trying to kind of post every day

12:52

and meme or, you know, whatever else. That

12:56

is, I mean, that is not

12:59

even a

13:01

rounding error for

13:04

him. Like I just, it just, it

13:06

doesn't, it doesn't register. He could,

13:08

he could literally make an

13:11

offhand comment about,

13:14

man, I'm trying to think of something totally, totally

13:17

trivial. Like it, like he

13:20

could, he could do a special edition Popsicle

13:22

stick with like Mr.

13:24

Beast on it and that it's nothing else.

13:26

It's a Popsicle stick. It sounds like a,

13:29

it sounds like a Supreme drop. Yeah. And then

13:31

he could make a tweet about

13:33

the Popsicle stick and

13:36

it would eclipse his Twitter revenue

13:38

that he actually makes organically from the platform.

13:41

Like it's just, it's just not a factor

13:43

for someone like that. So

13:47

that's, that's, that's why I just don't

13:50

think that as much as people want

13:52

to see it, you're going to see

13:54

this mass exodus from YouTube anytime soon

13:56

or ever such a. ever

14:00

such a big word, but I just don't see

14:02

anyone else even really trying. Like ByteDance,

14:05

TikTok, maybe had an opportunity, but

14:08

they haven't managed to figure out

14:10

either the monetization of the platform itself,

14:12

or they haven't figured out how to share in

14:14

a way that is enticing to creators. Like you

14:16

still have people trying to

14:19

migrate, trying to migrate their audiences. What

14:23

do you want to talk about next? How about the

14:25

AI key? Oh

14:27

yeah. Windows machines

14:31

at Microsoft, the Hest, are

14:33

getting a new key on the keyboard. For what

14:35

is this? The first time

14:38

since the Windows key was

14:40

added in 1994. Yeah.

14:45

It's being added to... Come on, tell us about it. Yeah, you

14:47

must love this. It's great. AI key.

14:50

I think it could make sense eventually. Okay, let's

14:52

hear it. I don't think it makes a lot

14:54

of sense now. Basically, it's a key that opens

14:57

up whatever they

14:59

call it, Windows Co-Pilot, which

15:02

if you end up using Windows Co-Pilot

15:04

in a very similar way that you

15:06

would use Windows Search, then

15:10

I think it kind of makes sense. Right

15:13

now, that's super obviously not worth

15:16

doing. So

15:19

maybe it's a little premature. I was telling

15:21

Dan before the show, this feels kind of

15:23

like when Facebook renamed to Meta. It

15:27

feels like they're investing an immense amount

15:29

of money, not really getting the product

15:31

that they want, and then doing something

15:33

that feels more like a marketing push

15:35

than anything else to try to stir

15:37

more news and more push

15:39

around it, because they still want

15:41

this thing that they've sunk billions of dollars into to

15:43

be more relevant than it is. The

15:46

AI space

15:49

is moving fast and very exciting, but

15:51

is hurting on actual products that

15:54

are usable by users. I

15:57

pointed this out a really long time ago. It was going to be

15:59

hard for people to actually. ship and

16:01

a lot of things that people

16:04

have wanted from the AI space have had issues

16:06

shipping including copilot so

16:10

yeah it feels premature to me I think one

16:13

day I will probably actually like this

16:15

but something that they would need to

16:17

do is change Windows search back to

16:19

actually searching your computer instead of being

16:21

this like weird internet thing because then

16:23

if they had one button that was

16:25

like this is local made another button

16:27

that was like this is AI stuff

16:29

and it can search the yeah the

16:32

internet and it can give me links and it

16:34

can do whatever that would actually be probably useful

16:36

I think one thing that's fairly telling is it's

16:38

on the right side of the keyboard isn't it

16:41

yeah yeah the

16:43

area no one

16:45

uses here we actually have

16:47

these cast please we actually have a

16:49

Bigfoot sighting style picture yeah there's better

16:51

yeah no no just go on Tom's

16:53

hardware which is the source of this

16:55

this is intentionally terrible so just hard

16:58

where looking at yourself you know we're not trying to

17:00

you know trying to take their clicks or whatever but

17:03

I think it's this one yeah

17:05

I think it's to the left

17:07

of the windows yeah I'm

17:11

sure I speaking of speaking

17:13

of ridiculous things that Microsoft

17:15

has embedded in their operating system

17:17

to push their other stuff like

17:19

we're getting super we're getting super

17:21

close to antitrust Microsoft time again

17:23

here I think I

17:26

was not aware of this did you

17:28

know that there is a dedicated Windows shortcut

17:30

key or a dedicated Windows shortcut to open

17:32

up linked in that's what I was gonna

17:34

troll you with okay yeah

17:36

someone posted it in chat there's a lot

17:38

more than just that actually there's like yeah

17:41

so check check this out check this out guys

17:44

we're going to line this laptop okay hold on no

17:46

no wait we can look at control all shift win

17:48

L opens

17:51

link opens link it but

17:54

there's all really combinations for

17:56

word excel powerpoint outlook teams

17:58

one drive one Teams,

18:00

you don't need a shortcut for teams.

18:02

You need a shortcut to make teams

18:04

go away. Man,

18:07

I don't know if there's anything that makes me more

18:09

angry. What about when it forcibly logs

18:11

you out and then you can't even minimize it because it

18:14

keeps forcing its thing up? Yeah, that. So

18:16

you're like working on something important and it logs

18:18

you out randomly in the background and

18:20

you have to go through its entire login process

18:22

or else it'll force itself to the front of

18:24

screen. It is... Amazing. Remarkable

18:27

how bad that design

18:29

is. I also just don't really

18:31

understand why it logs me out.

18:34

We've looked into it. You can't configure

18:36

it to not do that. Mm-hmm. It'll

18:40

log me out while I'm literally in the middle of

18:42

using it. I...

18:46

I was on a Teams call today, hung

18:48

up, and then it logged me out. I find

18:51

the approach that some services take

18:53

to security very confusing. Like

18:55

if you're gonna make the argument that I should

18:57

be signed out every month because... Something.

19:01

Then fine. Okay. Well, do it on

19:03

my phone and on my laptop and

19:05

on my desktop. But

19:07

then you have something like Gmail, for

19:10

example, which logs you out... I'm

19:13

sorry. Man,

19:16

it says every month, but I swear

19:19

my work computer is way

19:21

more often than that. There's no way that

19:23

that only comes up 12 times a year. But

19:26

on your phone, never logs you out. And

19:28

you could kind of go, okay, well, yeah, but

19:31

you've got biometric authentication on your phone or whatever.

19:33

But I'm sitting here going, well, yeah, but I

19:35

have biometric authentication on my

19:37

computer. Which one's more likely to get stolen?

19:39

Yeah, which one's more likely to get left

19:41

in a coffee shop? At

19:44

least have some consistency to this. And

19:46

there's no consistency between the various

19:49

tech giants. I

19:51

mean... Okay, WhatsApp. Great

19:53

example. For years,

19:55

Facebook would allow you to leave

19:57

WhatsApp signed in perpetually on your

19:59

phone. but wouldn't allow

20:01

you to have it signed in or cloud

20:03

synchronized with any other phone. Now they do

20:05

that and just, you know, I don't know,

20:07

why'd you change that? I don't know, not

20:10

sure. But on the computer would log you out

20:12

like all the time. Like I think it

20:14

would stay logged at 7, 14 days or something like that.

20:16

And then meanwhile, you've got something

20:18

like Teams that logs you out

20:21

on your phone all the time instead of just

20:23

being like, oh yeah, no, no, the phone is

20:25

the single source of truth that

20:27

you can use to authenticate your

20:29

other devices. And then Google is

20:31

really funny because they'll sign you, I'm trying

20:34

to think of what, no, they don't sign you

20:36

out of anything on your phone, but

20:38

they are constantly signing you out on your computer.

20:40

And then I'm trying to think if there's anyone that

20:43

doesn't, that never signs you out on your computer.

20:47

Can't think of anything right now. Yeah,

20:50

okay, yeah, there's one. And

20:52

it's like gaming stuff. I can't think

20:54

of any productivity, like work productivity style

20:56

apps that don't log you out. High

20:58

value accounts though, Steam. Like

21:00

the value of my Steam account compared to

21:02

like my stupid throwaway Hotmail account or

21:04

something, which by the way, you know, Hotmail,

21:06

you can tell to never sign you

21:08

out. Oh. Because your

21:10

Windows account is tied to your

21:13

computer. Right. Or your Windows live.

21:15

So it's like, it's

21:17

flipping arbitrary. So on my

21:20

computer, if it's my Microsoft account that

21:22

I use to log in for authentication,

21:25

I can stay signed in perpetually. But on

21:27

my phone, where it's managed by my organization,

21:29

and if there was ever a problem, we

21:31

could just recover it no problem. You have

21:34

to sign me out every 30 days. The

21:38

whole thing is completely arbitrary.

21:41

Nobody agrees. Yeah.

21:44

You want to hear an interesting one? Recommended

21:47

by password managers, people

21:50

are starting to store their 2FA in

21:53

their password managers. And

21:55

there are security arguments for this. No. From...

21:58

That's not what to do. password managers

22:00

and security researchers. What? Yeah. Oh,

22:03

okay. You're gonna have to okay

22:05

back me up So people all

22:07

big people are storing their 2FA

22:09

backup codes. Yeah in their password

22:12

manager. Yeah Well

22:14

now we're back to just one password again,

22:16

and that was a pun. Yeah,

22:18

it's not a pun But it's a it's one

22:20

password actually does recommend this. No Like

22:26

surprising amount of other people do this too.

22:29

It's interesting to me the one of the big arguments

22:31

for it is There's

22:34

just no point in not because

22:37

if they have this they have

22:39

that And

22:43

I was like hmm The

22:45

kind of interesting argument because like if if

22:48

someone gets into your password manager Do

22:51

they really not also have your 2FA? They

22:55

might just have the one 2FA. I mean

22:57

one of the ways that people commonly get

22:59

past 2FA is by spamming

23:02

login attempts and then like

23:04

calling you in the middle of the night

23:06

and you know trying to get it or

23:08

whatever else like While you're groggy and stuff

23:10

like they could social engineer one 2FA away

23:12

from you without having access to

23:15

your 2FA account So

23:18

no, I actually what they're saying is if they if

23:20

they had the if they

23:22

had access to your password vault. Yeah

23:25

They may as well just have access to your

23:27

2FA But they don't

23:30

because I don't store that password in

23:32

my password vault your password for

23:34

your 2FA. Yeah, I haven't memorized. Yeah See,

23:37

this is why I don't like it, but this

23:39

is like actually an argument. That's being made

23:41

by like smart people Which

23:44

I find very interesting So

23:48

or 2FA in see

23:51

Now I'm sad They

23:53

even tell you when they give you the backup code.

23:56

So like write this down print it out That's what you're

23:58

supposed to do backup codes

24:00

are not totally different things. Oh,

24:03

okay. I thought you were saying that people were putting

24:05

the backup codes in the password manager. Some people do

24:07

that too, but that's not, I don't think that in

24:09

particular is recommended. Just the 2FA. So you can have

24:12

like rolling 2FA. But then

24:14

the password for it is in your password manager? That's

24:16

so stupid. Like you can literally have it to the

24:18

point where when you go like, oh,

24:20

fill my login info for this site, it'll fill

24:22

the login and password. And then when the 2FA

24:24

comes up, it'll just automatically fill the 2FA and

24:26

then you're fully logged in. No, I hate the

24:29

tedium of 2FAing as

24:32

much as probably anyone. I

24:35

kind of, one of the reasons why I'm bringing this up

24:37

is I want people to like yell

24:39

at me about why it's fine. Because I don't really get

24:41

it. Cause it doesn't seem fine to me. No, it's

24:43

not fine. Yeah. I strongly

24:45

disagree. Yeah.

24:49

No, no, pull. We

24:51

really have to pull this, you guys. I know. I,

24:54

well, fine. I'll do, I'll do a pull.

24:57

Safe to store 2FA password

24:59

in your password manager. So

25:04

is that, is that what we're asking? Sure.

25:07

Yeah. Okay.

25:11

I, hmm. Ah,

25:13

guys, I don't know, man. Okay. Let's, let's bring

25:15

up the results. Results time.

25:18

Yeah. No. There's like 10% fit. Oh,

25:21

oh, it's swinging. It's

25:23

swinging. The people who

25:25

were very angry about this were super quick

25:27

to click no. Oh

25:30

shoot. It's covered a little

25:33

bit. There you

25:35

go. Got that fixed for you. So it looks

25:37

like by the time the dust settles anywhere

25:39

between a quarter of you, probably about a

25:41

quarter of you think that it's totally fine

25:43

to store your 2FA. It's definitely more convenient.

25:46

It's definitely more convenient. Yeah. And

25:49

I mean, if you gave me the

25:51

option, you know, 10 years

25:53

ago when we were just getting into

25:56

the idea of biometric security, if you

25:58

gave me the option to have, a

26:00

setup like this where I have to

26:02

memorize one password that I just enter all the time

26:04

or if I have to start like entering

26:07

my fingerprints and you know retinal

26:09

scans and iris scans and facial

26:12

scans into every electronic device in

26:14

my life I would probably

26:16

have taken this path even with all the compromises.

26:20

Here check this out like this is this is where like

26:23

man I find this so interesting

26:25

here's an article on blog.1password.com

26:28

right and there are other

26:30

I'm just using them as

26:32

an example there are other

26:35

password vault password storage password

26:37

security sites that say the

26:39

exact same thing I'm

26:41

just using one password as an example because this is

26:44

the first one that I found you've

26:46

probably heard or read the advice turn on

26:48

two-factor authentication everywhere it's offered after all it's

26:50

a great way to add an extra layer

26:52

of protection to your online accounts but should

26:54

that include your one password account the short

26:57

answer is no. Wait that's a completely different

26:59

thing. This is this is a different thing.

27:01

Wait what they're saying not to turn on

27:03

two-factor authentication on a password manager? We need

27:06

to unpack what 2FA does and how your data

27:08

is protected by one password security model. This

27:12

isn't the article that I meant to bring

27:14

up but it's like there's still there's so

27:16

many hot takes in the one password blog.

27:18

Hold on hold on what no

27:21

I'm sorry I can I can I how is it

27:23

secured by design? Okay you're you're scrolling. Where do you

27:25

want me to stop? I don't know. You keep just

27:27

pointing. I know what two-factor authentication is so we can

27:29

go past that. How is it secured by design? Okay

27:32

you choose this password we don't know it and it's

27:34

never stored on our servers. Your

27:37

secret key is a long so yeah

27:39

but that's not what that are

27:42

they high? That's

27:44

not how lived up what

27:48

the fuck? Here we go

27:50

here we go here we go. That is terrible advice.

27:52

Here we go manages

27:55

to obtain an encrypted copy of your data from

27:57

our servers. That's not that's not that's such a

27:59

that's such an Outlier scenario, that's

28:01

not scenario one that scenario seven

28:03

a criminal guesses your

28:05

account We're not talking

28:07

about guessing from a new device without

28:10

your secret key That's only stored on your devices

28:12

So you don't have to type it every time

28:14

you unlock one path and your printable emergency. Isn't

28:16

that just a second factor then? Well,

28:19

what they're saying is like I think

28:21

what they're saying is if you sign in a new location You

28:24

have to authenticate that new location I think that's what they're saying

28:26

you wouldn't be able to sign into your account from a new

28:28

device without your secret key So

28:30

then hold on one password is just saying they already

28:33

have to FA I Guess

28:35

this isn't the page. Yeah I'm

28:38

gonna go okay. All right, so that's

28:41

that's fine then because they already

28:43

have a second authentication factor I mean,

28:45

okay, I have I have a remote access

28:49

Service that I use that I do not

28:51

have you know to FA like I

28:53

don't I don't have it in Google Authenticator, right? Because

28:57

every time I sign on from a new location

29:00

I have to validate via some

29:02

other means so I don't need

29:04

that But

29:06

that's just really misleading because

29:08

also recommending against adding additional

29:10

factors is interesting to me

29:12

Yeah, I do see their point that

29:14

two factors is probably Enough

29:17

factors that you're gonna get a notification that somebody's

29:19

trying to find in static and you're gonna get

29:21

a chance to deal with it however

29:25

I disagree that all factors are made

29:27

equal. I don't think that

29:29

that should be their default factor even

29:32

like their default second factor something that

29:34

is static it's like a It's

29:38

almost like a like a physical key a physical

29:40

key can be copied Whereas a key that changes

29:43

every time you use the lock cannot be copied

29:45

and that's how something like Google Authenticator works Oh

29:51

I wish I could find it. I know they have

29:53

an article on this I found someone talking about the

29:55

article because I can't find the actual root or all

29:57

someone would have to do is have your computer

30:00

compromised with a key logger at

30:03

a time when you are

30:05

re-authenticating and they could force you

30:07

to re-authenticate if they had some

30:09

kind of access to your

30:12

machine that allowed them to reroute you through a

30:14

VPN or something because then

30:16

it would appear as though you were logging in from another

30:18

location. So I know I'm asking for a lot of stars

30:20

to align but that's not that far fetched for

30:22

someone to have some kind

30:25

of, for someone to have, if they

30:27

have some kind of

30:30

malware on your machine. I

30:32

don't think it's that far fetched that they

30:34

could route you through some kind of remote

30:37

location and that they could

30:39

have a key logger installed. I don't think that's like

30:43

science fiction. So

30:47

this reads different than the last time I

30:49

saw it. I don't know if it's been

30:51

edited or maybe I'm remembering an article

30:54

from someone else and just found this one

30:56

first so my memory might be skewed but

30:58

here's the article. It was linked in Floplane

31:00

chat by a few different people. But

31:03

yeah, one password and two FA. Is it wrong

31:05

to store passwords and one time codes together? And

31:07

to be clear, again, one password is not the

31:09

only company that supports this. They

31:12

like all do, I think. I'm pretty sure LastPass

31:14

does, I know Keeper does and clearly one password

31:16

does and I think the other ones do as

31:18

well. And

31:20

yeah, they argue that it's like secure and fine but

31:23

they also say, you know,

31:28

the correct choice is the one that works best for you. Apparently,

31:31

okay, so this is apparently the

31:34

one password key

31:37

is only entered when you

31:39

first set it up. Yeah.

31:42

Okay, okay. Well, then that's not too bad because

31:44

they'd have to have the key logger at the

31:46

time you first set it up. Yeah,

31:50

they might though. Yeah, and you might. You

31:54

could potentially trick a user into entering

31:56

that. Man,

32:01

it's not as bad as I thought it was, not even

32:03

close, but I'm

32:07

not a huge fan. And I also don't

32:09

really like the advice of not having... Okay,

32:11

I should clarify. When I say

32:13

I don't like the advice of not

32:15

adding multiple factors, I don't mean

32:17

adding multiple alternate factors. I was

32:19

dismayed when I realized that

32:22

the way that Google accounts

32:25

handle a physical

32:27

device like a UB key, if

32:31

you don't have your UB key and you set up...

32:35

When I initially set it up, I was like... It

32:37

was at a time when I think we had just had

32:39

an account compromised or something like that. And

32:41

I was going like, I want three factors. I

32:43

want my password, I want my UB key, and

32:45

I want my authenticator app. Some sites

32:48

worked this way for a very brief period of time

32:50

and now I don't know of any that worked. And

32:52

what I didn't realize at the time was I was

32:54

adding OR factors. Some

32:57

of them were AND. Not AND factors. Some were

32:59

AND. Google wasn't. Yeah.

33:02

I don't know of anything that is now, like I

33:04

just said. But for a little brief period of time,

33:06

when we first got our UB keys, some sites were

33:09

AND. And that was actually very cool. Because

33:12

if you wanted hyper security, it felt like you

33:14

had the two nuclear keys or whatever. But

33:19

yeah, now it's just various ways

33:21

to bypass the thing. I

33:24

don't know. Because also, I've found

33:27

a lot of places that accept

33:30

UB keys require two

33:32

different ones. Yeah, which is like... So it's

33:34

like, yes, I can use my high security

33:37

UB key and I also have to have

33:39

SMS authentication enabled. Cool. The

33:41

very worst kind. Sick. Yeah,

33:44

I don't know. UB key has gotten, I

33:47

find, with a lot of things that we

33:50

use, it's gotten a little bit less useful

33:52

over the years. Because

33:54

more and more places that do support it require you

33:56

to have two enabled and less and

33:59

less places seem to support it. M4TZESS says, if

34:01

a keylogger is on your system,

34:03

you're already compromised. That's sort of

34:05

true because in many

34:07

cases, you are – well, the expectation,

34:09

one of the reasons that you should

34:11

use autofill with a password manager is

34:13

that it makes it so you don't

34:16

have to type your passwords. So

34:18

if someone has a keylogger, even

34:21

if they have – man, even if

34:23

they've got you good and they have

34:25

remote access to your screen,

34:30

unless they can also

34:32

access your clipboard, man,

34:36

even if they can access your clipboard, the

34:39

autofill service, I don't believe, copies the

34:41

plain text of your password to the

34:44

clipboard. So as

34:46

long as you're not

34:48

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, pasting your

34:50

passwords, I'm sure there's a way,

34:53

but it would be very difficult to

34:55

get passwords even if you

34:57

had – even if they had your clipboard

34:59

and even if they had a keylogger and

35:01

even if they could see your screen because

35:04

almost every password field that I've seen in

35:06

the last 10 years just uses asterisks or

35:08

dots or whatever else instead of actually pasting

35:10

the text in there. One

35:15

password apparently clears the clipboard after a time delay.

35:18

As far as I know, it just

35:20

edits the HTML, doesn't copy your password.

35:23

Yeah. Yeah,

35:29

all right. Quino

35:32

says, be careful seemingly giving

35:34

security advice. I

35:36

think what we're saying is fine. Yeah,

35:39

what? We're saying that having more factors

35:41

is good and if there's strong factors,

35:44

then that's better. Yeah, what

35:46

I'm questioning is some people talking about

35:48

how you can – my

35:52

whole thing is I'm just very unsure

35:54

about the idea of storing all of

35:56

your two-factor in one application. The

35:58

main argument I'm seeing around it is – is in

36:01

general, if someone is going to have access

36:04

to this thing, they probably have access to

36:06

your whole device. And

36:09

that device is usually described as a

36:11

phone. Remote

36:15

desktop plus autofill plus developer tools equals

36:18

compromised with O2FA. Yeah,

36:20

there's lots of different. Yeah,

36:22

there's tons of different attack vectors. Yeah. I

36:26

just question the idea of reducing

36:29

the layers, because it feels like reducing the layers.

36:31

And I understand some of the arguments. Like, OK,

36:33

if they're literally in your phone, then

36:37

they already have it anyways. It's

36:40

like, well, what's

36:43

going on? I don't know about that,

36:46

because the things that I hear getting compromised more

36:48

often these days are computers. And I never have

36:50

my two-factor authentication stuff on my computer. I know

36:52

some people do, but I don't. Some

36:57

people run Aussie in their browser. Really? Yeah. Oh.

37:01

I don't do that. OK, yeah, me neither.

37:03

Yeah. But just, I mean, man, I'm

37:07

trying to think. Is

37:10

this like a subconscious bias, or does this have

37:12

a basis in reality? I just kind of think

37:14

of Windows computers as just kind of

37:19

probably compromised. Yeah.

37:23

Am I just buying into the Apple messaging? I

37:27

don't know. Well, I do too. So I don't know. I

37:30

don't want to be in a position

37:32

where my computer is the sole portal

37:34

to any account. But in some cases,

37:37

you can't really avoid it. But

37:40

I don't like it, and I do try to

37:42

avoid it. Cauy

37:54

says you should

37:57

disable autofill in your password manager

37:59

settings because you can't do that. they can auto

38:01

fill malicious password boxes manually

38:03

pasted every time instead I

38:06

do that to be clear this is where

38:09

I feel because I find keepers

38:11

at least it's not a different work very

38:13

well that it'll also just like aggressively take

38:15

over certain things or it'll decide that the

38:17

wrong box is the right one and it

38:19

will it won't let me progress on the

38:22

website because it keeps trying to spam into

38:24

the wrong box which is really bad oh

38:27

yeah okay that's a that's a that's

38:29

a that's a very interesting attack vector

38:35

and security is just such a such

38:37

a myth either

38:42

way having a second factor definitely not a

38:44

bad thing putting it all

38:47

in one place I'm just not sure if I can agree

38:49

with that I think that's really the bottom line for me

38:56

SMS needs to completely

38:58

not be a thing for for 2FA

39:00

do we want to move on to what are we

39:03

supposed to do oh we're supposed to do oh oh my

39:05

goodness yeah people people

39:07

have I think found the the

39:09

new item on the store yeah

39:12

yeah people found it before the show is

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even live that's

39:16

right my friends Ludwig's

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39:37

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39:39

giving you guys too much information let me just

39:41

say it's you know gets pretty warm you

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know the water the water gets pretty warm which

39:46

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39:48

doesn't have RGB but it does

39:50

have some colors some

39:53

of the colors were where

39:55

we were we were told our best to avoid

39:57

but we definitely do have some some

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nice different, you know, gamer colors that you

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can set your Swype Plus to. We

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also have the regular Swype. Let's

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see if I can find that. There it is.

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not heated and doesn't have, you know,

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the fan and the carbon, you know,

40:17

odor filter and all those kinds of

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wild features and everything. It's just a

40:21

simple bidet. Why does

40:23

Ludwig have a bidet? As

40:26

far as I can tell, it really

40:28

is as simple as he thinks that

40:30

people's butts should be cleaner. I

40:33

actually, I can't, I

40:38

really have, you know, checked his,

40:40

I've talked to him about it. I've checked

40:42

his just external communications about

40:44

it. I've tried

40:47

to kind of analyze what

40:49

his motivation could possibly be for

40:52

creating a product like this and...

40:55

Why did you make a screwdriver? Because I just...

40:57

Why did you make a backpack? I think there should be a better screwdriver

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and I think there should be a better backpack. Why did you make towels?

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Why did you make a kid's book? I... Why

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did you make kids toys? Because they, I think they're

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good. Why are you making cable organizers? Because cables should

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be organized. Why did you make a screwdriver extension? Because

41:11

the screwdriver needs to be longer. Sounds like the

41:14

bidet is valid. Yeah. So

41:16

anyway, I, yeah,

41:18

I checked his butthole. It's super clean. I

41:22

was just trying to get him. He's all

41:24

focused on something else. Yeah, yeah.

41:28

So now... The

41:30

knowledge of Ludwig's clean butthole is definitely something

41:33

I needed to know. So now you can

41:35

get the swipe and the swipe plus on

41:37

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41:39

the second non-LMG

41:43

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smash hit for us. And

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maybe this will be a... Splash

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them. Let's go. Yeah.

42:03

Yeah. Someone asking, Brandon

42:05

P LMG is asking, wait, can

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I merch request a bidet? I

42:11

guess. Yeah. I mean, you...

42:14

There you go. The reality of it is that

42:16

your annual budget for

42:18

stuff from LTT Store is your

42:20

annual budget. And the stuff

42:22

that we buy from Ludwig versus the stuff

42:24

that we buy from a supplier, like it's

42:29

not like the LMG stuff is free. There is,

42:32

yeah. And so we get a... There is cost

42:34

to these things regardless. Yeah. So

42:36

the cost is the cost is the cost and your budget is your budget is your budget. So

42:38

I don't see why not. No.

42:41

Yeah. Anyway, yeah. The

42:44

days are great. I've been using one

42:46

for... I've

42:49

had a slight plus in my upstairs bathroom for

42:51

six months or something like that. I

42:55

would have considered one of these, but I

42:57

bought in too early before you started doing

42:59

that because when there was the toilet paper

43:01

shortages during the pandemic, I was just like,

43:03

screw this, man. Yeah. And got a bidet.

43:06

Yeah. It... I

43:09

wasn't open to it until I

43:11

traveled to Japan. Yeah. I

43:13

was always like, oh, weird toilets. Aha.

43:16

Toilet paper makes so much sense. Toilet paper

43:18

makes no sense. No. Toilet

43:21

paper seems very, very archaic and out of

43:23

date at this point. It

43:26

really feels like... Sure

43:29

to dry off or whatever, but like

43:32

what... Sorry, I'm taking this whole wad of...

43:38

Casey Herp,

43:40

J1 on

43:43

full plane chat says, not open

43:45

to bidets. Very clenched. Okay.

43:48

Go ahead. Stay clenched. But anyway,

43:50

the point is... What am I talking

43:53

about? Yeah. Why

43:55

am I getting my hand all up in there and this...

44:00

wimpy paper and the manufacturing,

44:02

you are literally manufacturing garbage

44:05

when you make toilet paper.

44:08

Why are we doing this? And like, okay, a

44:10

little bit is fine, you know? So your

44:12

butt's not all wet when you pull your underwear

44:14

up or whatever, but like, it just

44:20

seems spectacularly wasteful. And an

44:23

affordable bidet like the Swipe at 50

44:25

bucks will pay for itself. It will

44:27

pay for itself. Yeah.

44:31

The $50 one probably

44:33

rather quickly actually. Yeah. So

44:37

I, yeah, as soon as I tried it

44:39

in Japan, like

44:42

man, the toilets they have over there, it's like, it's like, they're

44:44

amazing. Yeah. It's like landing

44:46

on an alien planet and they just have

44:48

figured out waste disposal in ways that humans

44:50

could never have imagined. Like I've told this

44:53

story on WANCHO before, but we

44:55

pulled over at a rest stop on a highway and

44:59

the bathroom was so

45:01

much nicer than anything I'd seen

45:03

in like, you know, a four

45:05

star hotel in North America, like in

45:07

a hotel lobby or like a, you

45:09

know, an upclass restaurant. You know, I'm

45:11

talking public washrooms, obviously, right? It

45:14

was just, everything was clean. The

45:16

lighting was so bright and the toilet seat

45:18

was heated and this is like in a

45:20

shack at the side of the road, essentially.

45:22

I don't even think there was a convenience

45:24

store. I

45:26

couldn't believe it. Yeah,

45:29

I checked these. Yeah, it's, yeah,

45:33

I don't know. I think for

45:35

them too, it's like, it's got

45:37

to be one of those things where I believe

45:39

a lot of them are made there and it's

45:41

so ubiquitous there that the pricing is probably not

45:44

as bad. Like when I

45:46

tried to get a bidet here, it was kind of

45:48

rough. But the pricing also just makes sense because

45:50

you just do it once.

45:52

Yeah. And then it's just,

45:54

you just don't buy toilet paper. Yeah.

45:58

Awesome. and

46:01

over the span of your entire

46:03

lifetime that you are alive Even

46:06

a swipe plus will pay for itself.

46:08

Yeah, cuz like with my understanding They

46:12

don't really break that often either. Well.

46:14

They're pretty simple devices Yeah, especially the

46:16

the basic one is like a valve

46:18

and a dial you're still paying for

46:20

water Yeah, we live somewhere where water

46:22

is very cheap, but I believe basically

46:24

everywhere that would still be a cheaper

46:26

alternative than buying toilet paper Yeah,

46:29

I think I Find

46:32

it hard to believe that

46:34

a little bit of water Would

46:36

cost more than the paper that you would use for that

46:38

because it's not it's not like that much water Now

46:41

obviously this I'm sure there's like an example of

46:44

somewhere where that it's not the case I think

46:46

most places that will be the case okay

46:50

so anyway Why

46:52

don't we do a couple merch messages? Oh right merch messages?

46:55

So instead of you know twitch bits

46:57

or super chats or whatever else we

46:59

have merch messages that way whether we

47:01

do or don't get To your message.

47:03

Hey you get your high quality merchandise

47:05

from LTT store.com in the mail sometime

47:08

after the show so All you

47:10

got to do is add the items that you're interested in

47:12

to your cart And then

47:14

in the cart you'll see a little box that'll have

47:16

a place for you to fill in a merch message

47:18

That'll go to producer Dan. Oh there is

47:21

Now he's gone And he will reply to you or

47:23

flag it for me and Luke to respond to or

47:26

send it to someone else internally who can answer You

47:28

or just pop it up on there if you have

47:30

like a hi mom shout out and your mom watches

47:32

WAN show which is unusual But not unheard of Luke's

47:34

mom watches WAN show yeah, hi Exactly

47:39

Why don't you show us a couple to kind of show us how it's

47:41

done Dan? Yeah, sure thing first

47:43

up here. What is the weirdest or most

47:45

obscure reason? You've had to delay or cancel

47:47

a product or project. Sorry oh

47:50

Man most of

47:53

the reasons for us canceling projects

47:55

usually come down to Just

47:59

them being fundamentally broken,

48:02

like not working at

48:04

all. I mean,

48:06

I'm trying to

48:08

think of something that we canceled recently. We

48:11

didn't cancel, but we delayed a desk

48:14

fan that is made

48:16

out of e-waste hard drives recently.

48:20

And the reason for it was that the

48:22

idea was that we would use the motor

48:25

from the hard drive. And

48:29

we're probably still gonna do it at some

48:31

point, but the issue was that if we

48:33

just ran those motors with no

48:35

particular protection, so the first proof of concept,

48:37

I basically told the engineer who showed it

48:39

to me, or the person in the engineering

48:42

department, I don't know if strictly speaking, they

48:44

were an engineer that's protected term in Canada,

48:46

long story. I told the creator

48:49

warehouse engineering department person who worked

48:51

on it to immediately unplug it,

48:54

put a label on it that it was unsafe,

48:56

and that no one should turn it on under

48:59

any circumstances, and basically said,

49:01

okay, so this is a much more complicated

49:03

project, let's see if we

49:05

can figure out a way to make sense. It

49:07

ended up sort of getting a pin put in it,

49:09

but basically what they did was they took the motor,

49:13

set it up with a little 3D printed thing,

49:16

put a drone propeller blade

49:18

on it, and I don't know

49:21

if you guys are that familiar with hard

49:24

drive motors, but inside

49:26

a hard drive, they spin at anywhere from 5,400 RPM

49:28

to 7,200 RPM. I

49:34

don't know if you're familiar with drone propellers,

49:37

but they can be pretty scary,

49:41

and that's sitting on the desk. I'll tell

49:43

you this, it moved air. Not

49:48

too surprised about that. It

49:50

moved some air, I was feeling cooled.

49:52

I wonder how fast it was actually

49:54

spinning. I'm not sure, we could have.

49:56

There's gotta be a lot more resistance than it normally

49:59

has. I actually asked. them to find out. You can put

50:01

a piece of tape on one of the blades and then you

50:03

can just hold like a thing up to it and it'll count

50:05

how many per second. I don't

50:07

know if anyone ever got back to me on

50:09

that, but suffice to say it was terrifying. I

50:14

was like, okay, well, we have a lot of work to

50:16

do on controllers

50:18

for this and building

50:21

a safe propeller design

50:23

and wow, this

50:25

is obviously a much bigger project than just- Put

50:27

a cage around it like most desktop fans? We

50:29

could, but we'd have to design that cage and

50:31

we'd have to- because the idea was we weren't

50:33

really sure what that product was at the time.

50:35

Is this something that we make and it's like

50:37

bespoke and it's numbered and we do 100 of

50:39

them and it's done? Is it something that we

50:42

make on an ongoing basis, but it's like kind

50:44

of a boutique sort of

50:46

handcrafted product? Is this something that

50:48

we provide as a kit and we

50:50

just kind of send out to you the

50:52

cage and propeller and the

50:55

arm? Maybe we get it injection molded so

50:57

it's not just like 3D printed and we

51:00

basically validate different models of hard drives and you

51:02

build it yourself. There was a lot of different

51:04

ideas for how we could bring it to market

51:06

and right now I think we just won't

51:10

do anything for now. What

51:12

else you got for me, Dan? Happy New

51:15

Year. In an alternative reality, what would LTT

51:17

look like as a cable TV show in

51:19

the 1990s? I

51:23

didn't watch like G4Tech

51:25

TV or like Steve Dotto's show. I didn't

51:27

have access to any of them personally. Yeah,

51:30

I don't think I- I'm trying to think

51:32

in the 90s did I? I don't think

51:34

my family had

51:36

a cable subscription so

51:38

I didn't really get access to

51:40

any of that, but I

51:44

would imagine we'd have kind of like

51:46

a fun sort of colorful sidekick sort

51:48

of character like a producer Dan

51:51

type of person. I would

51:54

imagine that we'd probably have a lot of

51:56

guests on. Like that was kind of how

51:58

everyone did things now. back then was you kind

52:00

of had guests on to kind of show their wares. Everything

52:05

was so expensive. On

52:08

the production side, it would have to

52:10

be in a studio. There's no way

52:12

that you could just shoot stuff at home with

52:14

any kind of decent quality in the 90s. Most

52:17

of them, as far as my understanding goes, were just

52:19

in standard TV studios. They would just have one

52:21

of the sets so that they could reuse those

52:24

crazy expensive cameras that they would use for

52:26

basically everything. News, all the different

52:28

various shows, they would all be in one studio.

52:30

I'd imagine everything would be a lot more tutorial-y.

52:34

Even back at the beginning of NCIX

52:36

Tech Tips, almost every video started with,

52:38

okay, what's a tutorial we can do and

52:40

what products do we need to feature in

52:43

order to get this point across. Back

52:45

then especially, there would be a lot of things to give

52:47

tutorials on. Computers were hard. Very

52:50

few things that you could just sort of

52:52

take for granted that everyone knows about and

52:54

you're just sort of evaluating performance or whatever

52:56

else. If you did a GPU

52:59

review in 1996, you

53:01

would have to explain what a GPU is. You

53:04

wouldn't just take for

53:06

granted that people know what FPS means. I think that's

53:08

what some of them kind of were. But

53:11

it was like, what's a sound

53:13

card and why could you possibly want

53:15

one? How would

53:17

you go about installing one and picking one, stuff like

53:19

that. Some of them I've found,

53:21

I didn't have access to any of them, but some

53:23

of them that I found on YouTube many, many years

53:26

later are actually kind of cool. I

53:29

can think of one in particular that had this kind

53:31

of weird, thin desk

53:35

and the host would sit on the close

53:37

side and there was usually a guest

53:40

would sit on the far side and the computer would kind of

53:42

be in the middle and then it would be like this presentation

53:44

piece. I don't remember the name of the

53:47

show. Sounds fascinating. It's good though. Good

53:50

job. I described it because I'm

53:52

hoping someone will recognize it and post it. Okay,

53:57

that's super useful. Love

54:00

you for it, please. Alright,

54:04

time for us to pick another topic. Luke,

54:07

you wanna pick one? Hold on. Yeah,

54:10

they got it. Okay,

54:14

are we going to your screen? I'm not there yet, but yeah. We

54:17

will be. Hilarious. Computer

54:20

Chronicles. This old house is

54:22

awesome. DBradley771. I've

54:25

tried to, I've had to use them when I was

54:27

working on a couple of things. I

54:29

don't know them or anything, but great videos.

54:32

Sorry, I'm slowly going through YouTube ads. Here

54:35

we go. Alright. Alright,

54:39

oh, Computer Chronicles. Oh

54:41

wait, no, that's the YouTube channel. Uh,

54:44

yeah, but it's just re-uploads from like this old, so

54:46

this was the main house. Oh, here we go. And

54:49

they would show like, I guess this is probably

54:52

like the iPhone. Wow. Informational

54:54

Transaction Appliance. They

54:57

would show like, this is how you use the thing. How many

54:59

buttons does it have? Oh,

55:02

a lot, okay. Starfire.

55:09

Pippin! No way. No way!

55:12

At my Pippin. Nice. I

55:16

never figured out what happened to ours. I wish we still had it.

55:19

Yeah, I, uh, either

55:21

someone stole it or it was misplaced. But where would

55:24

it have been misplaced? I feel like if it was

55:26

misplaced, it would have come up by now. It's

55:29

possible, remember, misplaced could

55:32

mean accidentally thrown in the garbage like that

55:34

server that one time. That's a big thing.

55:36

Like, stuff happened. Um, anyway,

55:39

wild. For people that are wondering, but... That's a

55:41

really good screen cap for back then. Well, Anis

55:43

and I did a video on an Apple Pippin,

55:45

which is what's here right now. I'm very surprised

55:47

we randomly landed on an episode that has the

55:49

Pippin in it. Apple's

55:52

game, Honful. Yeah, and then it

55:54

just, like, disappeared? I

55:56

don't have it. I checked it home because you

55:58

mentioned misplaced and I was like... that I just take

56:00

it, it's not there. It's

56:03

the kind of thing that Luke would like

56:05

borrow. Yeah. And be like, I'm going to

56:07

check out this on my own time and then just kind

56:10

of forget about it. Never return with.

56:13

Or come back with like nine years later like those

56:15

GPUs that he took for his dad. Brings

56:19

back e-waste. He's like, hey, I'm

56:21

done with these. Yeah. Do

56:25

you want them? I guess. You

56:27

did want them. Yeah. Honestly,

56:30

if we ever needed to do a video on

56:32

some old stupid GPU, then it's better to just

56:34

have them sitting in the warehouse and have to

56:36

go eBay dumpster diving for one. Yeah.

56:39

Yeah, no, I have no idea what happened to it,

56:41

which is really frustrating because I don't want to buy

56:44

another one. I'm sure they haven't gone down in value

56:46

and ours was immaculate. It

56:48

was brand new in box when we got it.

56:50

In very good shape. Left it in perfect condition.

56:52

Like we fired it up once just to make

56:54

sure it worked essentially. Yeah. And

56:56

it's a really cool piece. Like it's, it's,

56:59

yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

57:01

this, this show is like actually pretty cool.

57:03

I would have absolutely loved to watch

57:05

this if I knew it even like existed

57:08

and also had access to it back

57:10

then. It's

57:12

kind of a cool because there

57:14

are such good versions uploaded to

57:16

this YouTube channel. It's

57:19

kind of a cool time capsule to go look

57:21

back at something. We talked about this on Wancho

57:23

not that long ago, but the whole like the

57:25

internet never forgets unless

57:28

it does thing is

57:30

pretty real. And there's a lot of stuff

57:32

from like the nineties and early 2000s internet

57:34

eras that are just sort of gone now.

57:38

So it's nice to be able to have

57:40

something like this where it is actually being

57:42

decently preserved. Don't

57:45

forget about Dotto's data cafe.

57:49

I think you've met this guy. Yeah. Well, I

57:51

know Steve Dotto, right?

57:54

Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen

57:56

this. This was a

57:58

Canadian, sort of similar idea. This

58:02

guy's great. He's got a ton of personality.

58:04

Yeah. Super fun

58:06

guy. Super nice. Yeah, very nice. I think

58:08

I've only met him once, but really nice.

58:10

We brought him on WAN Show once, actually.

58:13

I've been meaning to collab again. Anyway, this

58:15

is on Netscape Navigator. I could totally see

58:17

myself doing something like what Oskie Datto did.

58:25

This is awesome. And

58:27

again, surprisingly solid screen capture.

58:30

Yeah, he was telling me that that was

58:32

one of the big things that they innovated

58:34

was using

58:38

old cameras to capture from, like to

58:40

shoot a CRT screen without the scan

58:42

lines that were pretty typical on other

58:44

shows at the time. He was saying

58:46

that was something they figured out really,

58:49

really early on. But

58:51

yeah, yeah, good old Steve Datto. Anyway.

58:58

Yeah, a lot of old shows, like I think you've talked

59:00

about this too, like Made in Canada is

59:02

like impossible to find. No, you can get

59:05

it now. Oh, really? Whole thing. Oh, that's

59:07

cool. Yeah. And I

59:11

made my own copy just in case it ever disappears again.

59:16

That's good. That's good. Actually, that's

59:18

good, genuinely. But I like that

59:22

whoever's behind the Computer Chronicles was proactive

59:24

about getting it up themselves. I believe

59:26

this channel is official and

59:28

it seems to have like basically everything, which

59:30

is just awesome. It's really cool. It's such

59:32

a valuable resource that no one's going to

59:35

watch and then an AI is going to

59:37

scrape it and then we'll have access to

59:39

it with no compensation for the original creator.

59:43

Hey, did you see that? Oh,

59:46

shoot. Is it the times? Hold on. Who's

59:49

who's suing Microsoft for billions? Oh, my. I

59:56

think it's the New York Times. Yeah. New

59:58

York Times has filed a federal lawsuit against the United States. OpenAI

1:00:00

and Microsoft seeking to end the practice of using

1:00:02

its stories to train chatbots, saying

1:00:04

that copyright infringement at the paper alone

1:00:06

could be worth billions. Okay, I

1:00:08

don't know about billions, but it definitely could

1:00:10

be worth something. What makes this even

1:00:13

spicier is that, from

1:00:15

my understanding, Microsoft has released a

1:00:17

statement saying, okay, so first the New

1:00:20

York Times said that part of

1:00:22

why they're so upset about this is that

1:00:24

they have been in negotiations with Microsoft and

1:00:26

OpenAI to use it legitimately,

1:00:29

and Microsoft basically came out and was like,

1:00:32

okay, yeah, we kind of thought we were still

1:00:34

talking about this lawsuit is still super disappointing. What

1:00:40

I suspect is that they were just so far away

1:00:42

on the number that the New York Times

1:00:44

is basically just done. I'm sure they are. Yeah,

1:00:46

forget it. And so they know, from negotiating with Microsoft,

1:00:49

and this might have been part of their play, in

1:00:52

fact that actually wouldn't surprise me that

1:00:54

much, they know from negotiating with Microsoft

1:00:56

that New York Times data has been

1:00:58

given a very high level of credibility

1:01:00

in training. And

1:01:03

remember guys, there's a lot of different aspects of training. You

1:01:06

might think the New York Times is a rag or whatever, I

1:01:08

don't feel like talking about that. That's

1:01:10

not the point. The point is that there's a lot of

1:01:12

elements that you might

1:01:14

be training a large language model on, and not all

1:01:16

of them are necessarily the accuracy of the article. I

1:01:19

don't care, I'm not going to talk to you about

1:01:21

that. What we could

1:01:23

talk about though is things like

1:01:25

punctuation and grammar. So the chatbot

1:01:28

having any kind of sense of

1:01:31

what a sentence is supposed to look like,

1:01:33

yeah I would probably take the New York

1:01:35

Times over your Twitter

1:01:37

post. I

1:01:40

know. I know. I

1:01:42

know. I know. Big

1:01:44

training. Thanks, Twitch

1:01:46

chat. Real helpful. Appreciate you.

1:01:48

Oh boy. Anyway,

1:01:52

sorry, I don't think this is in the doc, but

1:01:55

I just was reminded of this by something else that

1:01:57

I was looking at here. is

1:02:01

this maybe doesn't

1:02:04

sync AI, but I know we've talked about

1:02:06

the arresto momentum of AI

1:02:09

that's been going on a little bit lately. And

1:02:11

I mean, this seems pretty... They

1:02:13

win this. Pretty

1:02:15

much anyone whose

1:02:17

data was used to train these large language

1:02:19

models is going to have to go back

1:02:22

and prove they didn't use them. Or

1:02:24

they are... Man, everyone and their

1:02:27

dog has been busted at this point

1:02:29

multiple times. Yeah. I don't

1:02:31

think it's going to stop anything because there

1:02:34

are people developing this stuff that don't care. And

1:02:36

enough of it is open source that people are

1:02:38

just going to be able to scrape on lower

1:02:40

levels than corporate and you won't be able to

1:02:42

go after them properly and you won't know they're

1:02:44

doing it. And it's not

1:02:46

going to matter. Cat's kind of out of the

1:02:49

bag. When this stuff got heavily open source with like llama

1:02:51

and all these other things, like it's

1:02:53

done, man. Oh, I don't mean

1:02:55

there's anything that they can do to unpandora this

1:02:57

box. Oh, got it. I just mean the

1:03:00

big companies. Oh, yeah. Some of

1:03:02

them might get hit real hard. Yeah. Are

1:03:05

they done? I think... What

1:03:07

is it called when there's like

1:03:09

a landmark case? I think

1:03:11

it's called a landmark case. No, but it's that precedent.

1:03:13

There we go. Yeah. I

1:03:15

think this is going to set precedent pretty hard. What

1:03:17

is it called when there's an avalanche? It's

1:03:23

called construction. Yeah, no, precedent

1:03:25

I think is going to be set by this pretty

1:03:27

hard because these are two

1:03:29

very major, very recognizable in their space

1:03:31

companies. If you talk about news in North

1:03:34

America, you probably know New York Times.

1:03:36

If you talk about software stuff, especially operating

1:03:38

systems, you probably know Microsoft. Like it's... Man,

1:03:41

New York Times versus Microsoft. Pretty

1:03:44

big deal. We

1:03:47

were talking about this on the pre-show.

1:03:50

I ended up down a rabbit hole on like... Why

1:03:54

boxers stood like this? And it turns out there's a

1:03:57

lot of very compelling reasons for it.

1:04:00

it mostly boils down to bare knuckle

1:04:02

boxing versus not. Well, it

1:04:04

was... But there's other things going on. Yeah,

1:04:06

mostly bare knuckle boxing, but then one

1:04:09

video I watched in particular, I wish I could remember

1:04:11

who did it, but got a little

1:04:13

bit more into why this

1:04:16

pose is better for bare knuckle boxing. It

1:04:18

keeps them at a distance more. It

1:04:20

protects... It was a lot more

1:04:23

body shots, because you were not punching

1:04:25

people in the head. You'd

1:04:27

still go for the soft cheeks. You'd still go

1:04:29

for the jaw. Hitting someone in the forehead can

1:04:31

actually be really... It can hurt your own hand

1:04:33

a lot. You're also not doing

1:04:35

the big power punches as much, so your

1:04:37

rear hand is usually back to protect your

1:04:40

body, and you're focusing more on

1:04:42

jabs with that front hand. It's actually a

1:04:44

very different style of fighting. So you get the

1:04:47

old, like, heh, heh, heh, heh,

1:04:49

we're fighting the bare knuckles. Very

1:04:52

good. Um,

1:04:55

do we want to talk about manufactured DRM, sabotaging

1:04:57

Polish trains? This was, like, last week or a

1:04:59

couple of weeks ago. Pretty epic, yeah. But it's

1:05:02

terrible. A decent amount of the news in the

1:05:04

show this week is somewhat old, but you probably

1:05:06

weren't paying that much attention in the news anyways,

1:05:08

because you were busy with holiday stuff. Yeah, why

1:05:11

did you tell them? It's fine. You didn't have

1:05:13

to tell them. Nobody has to know. Polish train

1:05:15

manufacturer Newig? Here's some news. The

1:05:17

days are popular. Newig? Not

1:05:19

as popular as Scrooge. Og? Not

1:05:22

as popular as screwdrivers though, still. Scrooge drivers.

1:05:24

Very popular. Hey, you need both, right?

1:05:26

Do you need a screwdriver to install the bidet? I

1:05:30

don't remember. Definitely a wrench.

1:05:33

Yeah. But that's not a

1:05:35

screwdriver. No, not, yeah. Sounds like we

1:05:37

need a wrench. I mean,

1:05:39

I wanted to do a fail

1:05:41

wrench. What would that have been? It

1:05:44

was going to be a wrench made

1:05:46

of melted down failed screwdriver shafts from

1:05:48

that supplier who shafted us. Yeah,

1:05:51

not. Got him. Polish

1:05:53

train manufacturer Newig, that's what I'm going

1:05:55

to call it, is under investigation by

1:05:58

regulators following allegations that had been installed

1:06:00

DRM-like software on its trains that

1:06:02

caused them to fail to restart

1:06:05

after certain

1:06:08

set triggers in order to drive

1:06:10

more service work to itself.

1:06:13

One competitor, SPS, was... I mean, it sounds pretty

1:06:15

smart to me. You

1:06:18

just get to do more, you get more service

1:06:20

revenue. Yeah, which is probably good money because

1:06:23

they're going to really want those trains back on the rails. One

1:06:26

competitor, SPS, was hit with fines equivalent to €462,000.

1:06:31

Dang! Because Newag trains

1:06:33

for the lower Cilassian

1:06:35

railway, its service would fail

1:06:37

to restart afterwards. I'm

1:06:40

assuming after servicing. The

1:06:42

rail operator then sent the trains to

1:06:44

Newag who easily fixed them

1:06:46

for an additional fee. Suspiciously,

1:06:49

trains that hadn't been recently serviced

1:06:51

but had sat unused in storage

1:06:53

for significant periods of time started

1:06:55

failing in a very similar manner.

1:06:57

In response, SPS... Oh

1:07:00

man. ...brilliantly, in my opinion...

1:07:02

Whoever had the thought

1:07:05

of doing this? Very good move. SPS

1:07:08

hired a Polish hacking collective called the

1:07:10

Dragon Sector, sick name by the way,

1:07:12

way to go on that one, to

1:07:15

investigate. According to

1:07:17

Dragon Sector, the trains were

1:07:19

intentionally programmed to stop working

1:07:21

under certain conditions, such as

1:07:23

certain components being replaced without

1:07:25

a manufacturer-approved serial number. These

1:07:28

included an idle timer that would stop

1:07:30

the train from starting if it sat

1:07:32

for over ten days, possibly under the

1:07:34

assumption that it was undergoing servicing. After

1:07:37

trains started failing after only being stored,

1:07:40

a new trigger was programmed that

1:07:43

added geofencing around competitors' workshops

1:07:45

so that the trains would

1:07:47

instead lock up after being

1:07:49

brought to those facilities. New

1:07:52

Ag is denying these allegations and claims

1:07:54

that these issues were caused by third

1:07:56

parties interfering with the trains' security features.

1:08:00

I love how often the

1:08:03

security card gets played

1:08:06

anytime a company gets caught doing

1:08:08

something scummy. Sometimes it

1:08:10

is legitimate. Yeah, but I

1:08:12

said when they get caught

1:08:14

doing something scummy. Yes. Yeah.

1:08:18

It's amazing how... Because most

1:08:20

people either don't

1:08:22

understand security very well or

1:08:25

especially don't care. Their

1:08:27

eyes just glaze over the

1:08:30

second you start talking about any kind of

1:08:32

digital security or anything like that and they're

1:08:34

like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh,

1:08:36

it's badgering me to install a password manager

1:08:38

again. I like my one,

1:08:40

two, three, four love password or whatever

1:08:42

the case may be. So

1:08:45

if there's any way to get people bored of

1:08:47

a conversation, it's to say, oh, it's in the

1:08:49

name of user security and then just start saying

1:08:52

a bunch of stuff and people will just kind

1:08:54

of gradually drop

1:08:56

out of interest and, you

1:08:58

know, get a... go about their day. The

1:09:01

private key needs to go in the... and

1:09:03

then like 98% of people just disconnect. Anyway,

1:09:08

basically that's bad and

1:09:11

it should be obvious why that's bad

1:09:13

and this is a great

1:09:16

illustration of why companies like Apple

1:09:18

should not be allowed to do

1:09:20

similar things and a great

1:09:22

example of what Apple, if left to their

1:09:24

own devices, might have eventually come up with

1:09:26

for iPhones if they weren't

1:09:29

ultimately able to stop people from repairing

1:09:31

these things through serialization and all the

1:09:34

other means that

1:09:36

they put in place to prevent people from repairing

1:09:38

their own iPhones and from third parties. It's

1:09:40

somewhat stunning to me how many people

1:09:43

will do this stuff and

1:09:47

not out their

1:09:49

own companies, I guess. It's

1:09:51

interesting. I don't know. I

1:09:53

mean, people did far worse than this for

1:09:55

a paycheck. Yeah. Like,

1:09:58

come on. But... Think

1:10:02

of the things you've done. The

1:10:04

horrible things.

1:10:07

The horrible things. Yeah,

1:10:09

I think maybe

1:10:11

it's my bubble of finding recruitment

1:10:13

kind of hard, but

1:10:15

I feel like software developers, if you're like, hmm,

1:10:18

I'm going to defraud my own country,

1:10:20

basically, it's like, yeah, you could probably

1:10:22

get another job. Sorry,

1:10:29

you're saying that software

1:10:31

developers have

1:10:33

a tendency to

1:10:38

always be the good guys in the story?

1:10:40

No. Oh. Sorry,

1:10:43

I thought you were saying someone

1:10:45

would see the idea of defrauding

1:10:47

their own country and then resign

1:10:51

from the job rather than go do it. I'm

1:10:53

saying in this particular case, I think if

1:10:56

you were working that field, you have a

1:10:58

high chance of finding another job. I can

1:11:00

understand for some positions,

1:11:03

some jobs, it might be like,

1:11:05

this is the only way I'm going to get bread on the table. I

1:11:07

think a lot of people just don't care, Luke. I

1:11:10

think a lot of developers would just develop

1:11:14

a button that kills a random person and

1:11:16

deposits a million dollars into the company's bank

1:11:18

account as long as they get a piece

1:11:21

of it. I don't know, man. Yeah. Sorry.

1:11:25

I just wish that wasn't a thing. That's all I'm

1:11:27

saying. I also think that, I mean, okay, but

1:11:29

like, okay, here's another thing. Look

1:11:32

at the arguments around net neutrality. Look

1:11:35

at the arguments around right to repair,

1:11:37

especially when you start getting into the

1:11:40

Apple ecosystem and the people who are just kind of, I

1:11:42

don't know how to describe it other than brainwashed. I'm really

1:11:44

sorry. When we

1:11:47

made that video about the iMac

1:11:49

Pro that Apple wouldn't repair at

1:11:52

our cost, the number of people that attacked us

1:11:54

for it, when we basically said, yeah, it's pretty

1:11:56

obvious that just replacement parts should be a thing

1:11:59

at a reasonable price. reasonable price. It

1:12:01

shouldn't cost as much

1:12:03

for just some pieces of a component

1:12:06

as it costs for the entire, some

1:12:08

pieces of a machine as it

1:12:10

costs for the entire machine including those pieces. That doesn't

1:12:12

make any sense. The number of people that attacked us

1:12:14

for it, when that's just math,

1:12:17

it's not political, it's just obvious. So

1:12:22

no, maybe in some people's minds, it makes

1:12:24

perfect sense that if you are the manufacturer

1:12:26

of a train, you should be the only

1:12:28

one who's allowed to fix it because someone

1:12:31

else might bung it up or whatever

1:12:33

the case may be, which is not

1:12:35

an entirely illegitimate concern. I just don't

1:12:38

think that's what even happened. They were

1:12:40

taking these trains off the rails. I

1:12:43

know. I just mean as a

1:12:45

preventative measure. Not even just to not

1:12:47

get other people to work on them

1:12:49

though. They were doing it randomly in

1:12:52

order to get more service money. Well, you know, you

1:12:54

got to make sure that they're running fine. And maybe

1:12:56

not something that was sold internally. Maybe they weren't even

1:12:58

honest internally with the developers who

1:13:00

developed this system.

1:13:03

Maybe they

1:13:05

just told them, hey, we have found that

1:13:08

the customers for these trains are not performing

1:13:10

service at the recommended intervals. We need to

1:13:13

make sure that the trains are shutting down

1:13:15

at such time as the regular intervals

1:13:17

should be done or whatever. It

1:13:20

wasn't coded that way. And here's the, I'm just

1:13:22

saying there's a lot of room for gray area.

1:13:24

I'm not saying they should do this. It's obviously

1:13:26

terrible. I'm just saying that just because

1:13:28

a developer codes this feature doesn't mean that they

1:13:31

agree. And even if they do agree, or it doesn't mean

1:13:33

they understand. And even if they do understand, it doesn't mean

1:13:35

they agree. And even if they agree, it doesn't mean that

1:13:38

they're not an idiot. That's

1:13:40

all I'm trying to say. But

1:13:44

I disagree. It's

1:13:47

bad. It's definitely very bad. All

1:13:50

right. Man, I

1:13:52

have to get signed back into the

1:13:54

dock, but people can see my hands. So I have

1:13:56

to fake that I'm pressing keys that I'm not pressing

1:13:59

and it's getting all. Oh, I never. talk about that

1:14:01

trick. Yeah. I just kind of... Yeah.

1:14:04

Okay. You gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes

1:14:06

I type really funny stuff. I

1:14:14

like that. That's actually hilarious. I'm

1:14:18

gonna hide my hands. You don't get to

1:14:20

see my hands. I can see

1:14:22

your hand. You can? No. Oh, you can

1:14:25

see this. I can't see this

1:14:27

entire hand. No. Okay. Have fun with your

1:14:29

like one letter. You're gonna see me. I'm

1:14:31

gonna enter one of the letters. We'll just

1:14:33

hope that whatever letter I enter is one

1:14:35

that's like goes there. That was pretty

1:14:37

good. Did I get it? I mean it was in the alphabet. That's

1:14:40

nice. What was it in the numeric?

1:14:45

Take note chat. His password has characters in it.

1:14:49

And it's definitely English. It

1:14:52

might not be English. There

1:14:55

you go.

1:14:58

Yeah. Most of mine actually,

1:15:00

they mix it up sometimes. Not English. I

1:15:02

like that. Yeah. That's cool. I should use that.

1:15:05

I'm... I'm... I'm... I'm... I have one trick for

1:15:08

passwords that I love so much, but I don't

1:15:10

know if I want to say it because

1:15:12

one of the reasons why it's good is

1:15:15

because a lot of like

1:15:17

brute force password guessers never get it

1:15:19

because they don't incorporate it. So

1:15:22

I don't know if I want to like popularize its use. I think

1:15:25

I want to keep this one for myself. That's

1:15:28

the thing though. That's a bad mentality and you

1:15:30

know that. Should I share it? Well, but then

1:15:32

see then it's the constant like cat and mouse

1:15:34

game, right? Like how do you

1:15:36

help people have better security without also informing the

1:15:38

other side and then how does the other side

1:15:41

do that stuff? None of us have it. But

1:15:45

no, that is... that is... it's a

1:15:47

great trick. I would

1:15:51

say that that is not an LTT app. attitude

1:16:02

We are a sharing is carrying. I

1:16:04

am NOT saying you should I Technically

1:16:08

don't work for minus media group anymore I'm

1:16:12

still gonna have to change your 700,000 passwords

1:16:14

when you get hacked now Never

1:16:18

said people couldn't get me just to be clear.

1:16:20

Yeah, this is not a challenge I'm

1:16:22

sure if someone wanted to hack through my box

1:16:24

or they could I can just say it I

1:16:29

Mostly says don't do it But then some of them were like

1:16:31

give us the tech tip because that's kind of you know

1:16:33

That's kind of what we do is give people

1:16:35

tips that are useful for a

1:16:37

little while until you know The narrative wells

1:16:39

go and update their shit and then we

1:16:42

have to come up with a new tech tip And that's

1:16:44

how we all stay employed because they're always needs to be

1:16:46

a new thing What if I what if I arm people

1:16:48

to potentially figure it out themselves? Okay,

1:16:52

I like that. Yeah, that's a

1:16:54

compromise. That's a good compromise a

1:16:56

lot of passwords Can take characters

1:16:58

that don't normally get typed Especially

1:17:03

that don't normally get typed for passwords

1:17:07

Consider this My

1:17:11

passwords are all gonna be emojis now Especially

1:17:14

when you're when you're thinking about brute-forcing cuz

1:17:17

like when it comes to guessing or

1:17:19

social engineering or someone just getting in your

1:17:21

password manager or anything like that or or

1:17:23

a Key logging it's

1:17:25

not gonna matter what you do, right?

1:17:28

Like you just have your password. Yeah But

1:17:31

if it comes to brute-forcing there's a

1:17:33

lot that you can do to make

1:17:35

your passwords more brute-force resilient while still

1:17:37

not making them really annoying to Like

1:17:41

visually enter or whatever. Yeah to remember that's a

1:17:43

big one for me is I like My

1:17:46

passwords to be something that I

1:17:48

can Retain in my brain

1:17:51

for long enough to like shit it out into

1:17:53

a keyboard or Character

1:17:56

map as it were. Yeah. Yep Confirmed

1:18:02

Luke's password is Lennyface. Thanks

1:18:08

Navy Rymar. Love it. Alright, anywho.

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hope your holidays were great. Merch messaging

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to ask about HDR, YouTube

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on mobile. Your camera footage looks great, especially

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skin tones, but web pages look dark and

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gray. What's up with that? That

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is a great question that

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I'm sure Ed could answer.

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I'm sure it has something to

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do with peak brightness being

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white and that also having some kind

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of metadata for

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being extremely bright or

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something. Yeah, that shouldn't even be it.

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I'm not sure. It probably

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has to do with that we have

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to upload. You

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know what? It probably is actually that

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because the way that the metadata works

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on YouTube is more like HDR10 rather

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than HDR10 plus where

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it's per frame. So it's across

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the entire piece of content. So if you

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have anything in the entire video that's supposed

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to appear bright, like a specular highlighted candle

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or something like that. then that's your

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100% brightness. So

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anything else is probably gonna look dimmer and

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more gray by comparison because we wouldn't want

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to actually send in a 100% full white

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every time we do a screen capture. I'd

1:22:13

have to double check because we

1:22:16

have people internally whose jobs are to understand that

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stuff better than me. It's the kind of thing

1:22:20

that whenever I'm making a video about it, I

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like brush up on it and go,

1:22:25

oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that, and kind of re-figure

1:22:28

it out. But yeah,

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that would be my guess. I

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think that's something you'll probably continue to see

1:22:35

because one of the complaints that we've gotten,

1:22:37

not just on HDR content, but SDR as

1:22:40

well, about ScreenCap is that when we capture

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white as white and people are a night

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mode user or a dark mode user or they're

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watching at night, it can be very jarring when

1:22:49

we go from the host who's

1:22:51

lit in a reasonable scene to

1:22:53

just an all-white page. So

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that could also just be something that we adapted

1:22:59

for that. Llamas

1:23:01

and Luke, if you could design the ultimate

1:23:04

futuristic tech gadget that hasn't been invented yet,

1:23:06

what features would it have and how would

1:23:08

you envision it transforming daily lives? Oh

1:23:11

man, I mean, I feel like with the

1:23:14

boundless human imagination

1:23:17

that exists out there, there's no way I'm gonna

1:23:19

come up with something that someone else already

1:23:21

didn't. The idea of being

1:23:24

able to conjure anything by just rearranging

1:23:26

atoms or whatever. So what are they

1:23:28

called in Star Trek? Not synthesizers, the

1:23:30

food things that they need. Yeah, I

1:23:33

don't remember. Tea, Earl Grey, hot. Yeah,

1:23:36

exactly. Yeah, exactly, right? Being

1:23:39

able to go anywhere instantly, being able to

1:23:42

have anything instantly, ironically, I suspect

1:23:44

it would actually take a lot of the

1:23:47

fun out of certain things. Yeah,

1:23:50

part of the fun of like, replicators,

1:23:53

there you go. Part of the fun of a trip.

1:23:56

We're apparently going to Japan. And

1:23:59

as far as I can tell, tell

1:24:02

90% of the excitement about this for

1:24:04

Yvonne is the preparation, not the actual

1:24:06

like going there. Like if you could

1:24:09

just walk into a holodeck and

1:24:11

be there immediately, I actually think it would,

1:24:13

I think it would reduce the satisfaction for

1:24:15

her. Yeah,

1:24:19

for me it would be- Why are you laughing? You don't

1:24:21

think I'm an expert on Yvonne's satisfaction? I

1:24:29

do not. For

1:24:33

me, I think it would be things

1:24:35

that actually get me off devices more and

1:24:38

I think that could come in the

1:24:40

form of input even.

1:24:42

Like I see a lot of people, I don't

1:24:44

do this, I don't

1:24:48

actually know why but I see

1:24:50

a lot of people dictate messages through

1:24:52

voice and I think that's kind of the direction

1:24:54

that I'm talking about. It's like yeah,

1:24:56

I don't necessarily want to sit here and type this

1:24:58

whole thing and while staring at the screen, if I

1:25:00

can just press one button and talk into it. I

1:25:02

don't want to talk to things, I need a neural

1:25:04

interface. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying in that direction.

1:25:07

I'm not saying that because we basically already have that.

1:25:09

So yeah, like things that can get me off

1:25:11

of the device, maybe different input methods whether

1:25:13

it's neural or whatever else, things

1:25:17

that, like we've

1:25:19

talked about this for a long time, being able

1:25:21

to wear glasses that are basically a rolodex. I

1:25:24

almost don't want it to do anything other than

1:25:26

be a rolodex. Yeah, just like tell me who

1:25:28

that person is and why I'm supposed to know

1:25:30

them. Why I'm supposed to know them, how many

1:25:32

times have I been this person, especially if it's

1:25:34

more than zero. Like

1:25:37

yeah, and I don't even necessarily want

1:25:39

it to be creepy. You can pull

1:25:41

this information from my contacts. Like

1:25:45

don't search the internet, have it be local. I'd

1:25:47

be happy to do a little recap for

1:25:49

it like, hey,

1:25:51

this is important for next time I see whoever,

1:25:53

right? There's ways to not be awful that

1:25:56

it will be awful. Yeah. On

1:25:58

100%. Oh yeah, it's going to end up being... connected to

1:26:00

some creepy database. Yeah, it's going to tell you

1:26:02

everything about... Everyone. As

1:26:05

it learns from your usage, it's going to upload that to

1:26:07

everyone else as well. It's going to be horrible. But

1:26:10

a non-horrible version of that... I'm going to use it because

1:26:12

it's going to be super useful. Yeah. But

1:26:14

yeah, things that make it so that I

1:26:17

actually spend less time manually myself

1:26:19

using the devices. And the more

1:26:21

the devices stay in my pocket

1:26:23

or stay closed or whatever else

1:26:26

and doing things sounds great to

1:26:28

me. Gergi008 says,

1:26:30

make me novels remember all

1:26:33

from Happy Potter. That's a

1:26:35

funny couple. Happy

1:26:37

Potter. I can't... I'm

1:26:40

imagining Adam Zestler as a magic golfer.

1:26:50

I thought he like makes... Okay, that movie

1:26:52

was great, but I thought he'd make good

1:26:54

movies now. Oh

1:26:56

man. Anywho. I

1:26:59

thought his most recent movie went really well. I

1:27:04

don't know what one it was. Hustle,

1:27:07

I think? I'm not sure. Adam

1:27:09

Zestler makes whatever movie he feels like as far as

1:27:11

I can tell. Alright,

1:27:13

hit me Dan. Hey,

1:27:15

DLL, I'm currently listening after I

1:27:17

cleared out my fridge that just

1:27:20

died. Got any good appliance failure

1:27:22

stories for the audience? I

1:27:25

mean, other than... Oh

1:27:27

man. And cut gems, yeah, there we

1:27:29

go. That's what I was thinking. That was a long time ago. Was

1:27:31

it? I don't know.

1:27:33

I'll keep up with movies these

1:27:35

days. Yeah, that's fair. Every appliance

1:27:38

I've experienced dies very unspectacularly. When

1:27:41

fridges die, it's pretty bad, especially if you don't

1:27:43

notice for a couple days. Oh,

1:27:45

but I mean like the device itself just stopped

1:27:47

working. Like it didn't... Oh,

1:27:50

yeah. Oh, our oven.

1:27:53

Had a bit of a problem the other day. We

1:27:56

have a Bosch oven and fortunately it has

1:27:58

error codes that work. at least I

1:28:00

know what the problem is. That would be nice.

1:28:02

But we went to make some banana bread. We

1:28:05

had three loaves in there. What, banana bread? I've worked

1:28:07

it? You're not going to know that meme, but I

1:28:09

love that meme. Cool. It's so

1:28:11

good. All right. Anyway, so we were going to

1:28:14

make some banana bread. Yes, some of it might have come

1:28:16

to work. And

1:28:20

suddenly, there's smoke all

1:28:22

throughout the house and

1:28:25

the banana bread is definitely

1:28:28

not going to be good. This

1:28:31

is well before the timer was supposed to go out.

1:28:33

It's not like we just didn't notice it. And

1:28:36

the door was locked. We

1:28:38

couldn't even get it open. So

1:28:41

it turned out what had happened

1:28:43

was like a runaway temperature event.

1:28:47

So the heat just kept going

1:28:49

past what it was set to, past

1:28:51

the thermal safety limit for the oven,

1:28:53

which caused it to lock itself down.

1:28:56

And then it basically had to, it

1:28:59

did manage to safety shut off. So

1:29:01

it was, I looked it up and it was one

1:29:03

of two things. It was either

1:29:05

your temperature sensor has gone bad, which

1:29:08

it wasn't because the thermal shutdown

1:29:11

happened, or it was your

1:29:13

relay wasn't working properly for the like...

1:29:15

So it sent like a disconnect signal

1:29:17

that didn't... Yeah, the daughter board that

1:29:19

was supposed to handle the relay. It

1:29:23

has worked. People said, okay,

1:29:25

you can reset it like this. And then assuming

1:29:28

the temperature sensor is good, sometimes the relay

1:29:30

just magically starts working again. So it's worked

1:29:32

fine since then, but it was a little

1:29:34

sketchy. It smelled like

1:29:36

burning, like not like burnt food, like

1:29:40

burning. They came out black. They're supposed

1:29:42

to be brown, golden,

1:29:44

the parts where it splits at the

1:29:46

top. Delicious banana bread. Anyway,

1:29:49

I love banana bread.

1:29:53

That worked, dude. Hell

1:29:55

yeah. My

1:29:58

mom said... Okay,

1:30:00

that's when you wait for things did good

1:30:03

things happen to you dude. That's number five

1:30:06

What it's number five autocomplete

1:30:08

for banana bread, okay? Okay,

1:30:13

do you know this this is just like

1:30:15

a damn Daniel like random viral quiz yeah,

1:30:17

yeah, yeah Do you

1:30:20

know this one damn? Yeah,

1:30:22

it's a it checks out. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah,

1:30:24

all right old. It's good I'm

1:30:26

old so it being all the time. I

1:30:29

just I mostly just quote vines constantly in

1:30:31

my entire life. Yeah road works

1:30:39

You just have to say one little line kind

1:30:41

of it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, me too all right

1:30:43

well cool Yeah, sorry. I didn't I did not

1:30:45

get the reference. I

1:30:47

didn't think you I did it for them All

1:30:53

right, I got one more first in Yeah,

1:30:56

sure. Let's see hey dalo. I'm a

1:30:58

PC repair tech and a veteran have

1:31:00

you oh I Read

1:31:03

that as veterinarian so did I

1:31:05

that's a weird combo. Yeah, that makes and I

1:31:07

have a more same thought I was like huh.

1:31:09

I hope they're like one shop. That'd be neat

1:31:11

So my laptop and my dog computer counters and

1:31:13

they couldn't put the USB diagnostic drive in the

1:31:16

wall Turn

1:31:24

the turn the dog on and off again. So

1:31:26

you still working okay, sorry Yeah,

1:31:28

any who yes a PC repair

1:31:30

tech any veteran lot more. Yeah,

1:31:32

I assume so Have you

1:31:34

all done any or plan to do any

1:31:36

how to not get scammed online videos that

1:31:38

I can share with my elderly customers? We've

1:31:41

touched on this a little bit, but

1:31:43

it's like it's so hard now It's

1:31:45

really hard because we can't cover everything

1:31:47

it changed nobody wants to watch it

1:31:49

the people like yeah Who are gonna

1:31:51

get scammed? I don't know how to?

1:31:55

Say this respectfully probably not watching.

1:31:57

It's not like the resources aren't

1:31:59

out there To find out.

1:32:01

Some of it's getting really rough.

1:32:03

Some of it's getting really, actually very

1:32:05

hard. Yeah, I got

1:32:07

a spam call that was really

1:32:09

good. Like if I was even

1:32:12

slightly less of a competent adult

1:32:14

human being, I could have easily

1:32:17

given valuable information over the

1:32:19

phone. People are doing voice

1:32:21

spoofing of specifically,

1:32:23

I'm not going to get into

1:32:25

the reasons why for this, but

1:32:28

specifically mom's daughters. Oh

1:32:30

yeah, well we've talked about that on the show before. And they're

1:32:32

screaming in distress and stuff? Yeah. Like

1:32:34

that's, oh my goodness. The one I

1:32:36

got, it came up as from my

1:32:39

bank. So I

1:32:41

did answer it because I'll just ignore anything that's

1:32:43

not from anyone that I recognize these days. Yeah.

1:32:46

So it came up as my bank and they

1:32:49

basically were like, yeah, there's been some fraudulent activity.

1:32:51

Don't worry, we've locked down the card. We're going to

1:32:53

get everything reversed for you, but we

1:32:55

do need to check some things with you. And

1:33:00

then at some point, everything

1:33:02

sounded fine. I was like, I was talking to them. I

1:33:04

was like, yeah, sure. I mean, yeah, that sounds pretty bad.

1:33:07

No, I didn't use the card. And

1:33:10

then as soon as they asked, what's

1:33:12

your, can I

1:33:15

just verify the credit card? And

1:33:17

I was like, well, you should be able to tell me which

1:33:19

one. And they're like, it's the one that starts with the

1:33:22

first four digits. And I was like, yeah, but

1:33:24

every credit card issued by your bank, your

1:33:26

financial institution starts with those first four digits.

1:33:29

That doesn't tell us anything. You

1:33:31

need to tell me like the last two. And

1:33:34

they basically were like, no, I need the whole number.

1:33:36

And I kind of go, okay, well. The

1:33:40

tip I would say for this is always hang

1:33:42

up and call them back. Okay. Well,

1:33:44

hold on. We're getting to that.

1:33:47

Okay. Yeah. And they

1:33:49

said, well, how am I supposed to know that you are

1:33:51

who you say you are? And they

1:33:53

said, well, I mean, I

1:33:55

called you from the bank and I go, yeah, but

1:33:57

that can be spoofed. And

1:33:59

they're like. And

1:34:02

I say, look, I'm just gonna call you back quick

1:34:06

because a lot of people don't realize

1:34:09

that the phone number that someone's calling from can

1:34:11

be spoofed. So they can just tell

1:34:14

it, hey, I want this to show up as 1-800-whatever when I call

1:34:16

the person.

1:34:19

It's getting freaking sophisticated.

1:34:24

There were things about the call

1:34:26

that made me uneasy, like

1:34:29

the extremely long delay on the

1:34:31

line. But it wasn't

1:34:33

until I looked back that I went, oh,

1:34:35

that's probably because they were calling from very

1:34:37

far away. They're probably

1:34:39

overseas somewhere. And

1:34:42

they did not have an unconvincing

1:34:44

accent. Three seconds or something. Always

1:34:49

call back. Back the number on the back of

1:34:51

the card except nothing else. I

1:34:57

do that for basically any institution that

1:34:59

calls me. If it has anything to

1:35:01

do with payment or changing pretty much

1:35:03

anything, if

1:35:05

the thing that we're discussing could

1:35:08

hurt me at all or

1:35:10

if they ask for any form of authentication,

1:35:13

then I call them back. Yeah.

1:35:15

Like I've had back when – Why didn't you just

1:35:17

indicate me? You called me. Back when

1:35:20

Telus used to be cool, they

1:35:22

used to call me every time that I had to renew

1:35:24

my contract and they would be like, hey,

1:35:27

we're going to give it to you either cheaper or you

1:35:30

get the same price and more features. And I'd

1:35:32

be like, sick, yeah, do it up. They'd be

1:35:35

like, okay, bye. I'm not

1:35:37

going to call them back for that. Whatever.

1:35:40

It's fine. But if they're like – The

1:35:42

worst case scenario is you don't get the better

1:35:44

features. Yeah. But they didn't ask

1:35:46

for any authenticating things. They didn't ask for any

1:35:48

payment stuff. They didn't ask for whatever. They just

1:35:50

– yeah, it was fine. So that was

1:35:53

fine. It

1:35:57

was one of those things where I was having a

1:35:59

– particularly like groggy day. I

1:36:01

hadn't slept well because this was this week

1:36:03

and Yvonne's

1:36:05

in recovery mode and not sleeping

1:36:07

well. She didn't know she

1:36:10

had three of her wisdom teeth out. They

1:36:13

were impacted and the ones on the bottom

1:36:15

were growing in sideways. So

1:36:17

the bottom is already the worst and

1:36:19

then they were under the gum and growing

1:36:21

this way. So she had to go under.

1:36:23

When was that? Um,

1:36:27

beginning of this week. Yeah.

1:36:30

She's been like replying to emails

1:36:33

because she's insane. She's

1:36:35

been answering things. I know. I

1:36:37

talked to her about it. She should relax. It's

1:36:40

quite a like genuinely, there's

1:36:43

a lot of trauma in your house. You're preaching to the choir.

1:36:46

Yeah. Is

1:36:48

she doing ice pack rotations? In

1:36:51

the same conversation she goes, yeah,

1:36:53

I'm feeling worse today because I

1:36:55

think I overdid it yesterday. And

1:36:59

then she goes, but I

1:37:01

think I should be able to push tomorrow. And

1:37:05

I'm just like, who do

1:37:07

you think you are? Luke Lefrenier? I

1:37:14

have a type. Yeah.

1:37:17

Ridiculous. Anyway,

1:37:23

the point is I hadn't slept much because

1:37:25

yes, ice pack rotations and everything. I

1:37:28

loaded up on, we had like four ice packs in

1:37:30

the house. I was like, we probably need double that.

1:37:32

So I got a bunch more ice packs and got

1:37:34

all the different, the drug cocktails, like felt like old

1:37:36

people. Like I put together like a medication schedule for

1:37:39

her and everything. What was

1:37:41

she eating? Congee. Congee

1:37:43

nice. Further

1:37:46

period cream of broccoli soup. She's

1:37:49

able to do like, she

1:37:53

was really tired of that after a couple of

1:37:55

days. And on day three, she

1:37:58

was able to do overcooked instant noodle. and

1:38:00

she was like, this is heavy. Like

1:38:04

soggy instant noodles. I broke

1:38:06

up the pack first. So they

1:38:08

were like little tiny pieces of soggy instant

1:38:10

noodles. And then the

1:38:12

egg, I put in like extra egg because

1:38:14

I think she had zero protein since the

1:38:16

whole thing started. So I like trickled it

1:38:18

in and like stirred it. So it was

1:38:20

basically just like kind of cloudy

1:38:23

broth. Almost, yeah. Yeah. But

1:38:26

she's just like, this is so much better than

1:38:28

what I've been eating. It's horrible. The arr arr

1:38:30

arr. I can't remember the name of them. And

1:38:32

I'm sure floatplane chat will again be able

1:38:34

to point it out. But my, I can't

1:38:39

remember the doctor name for it, but dentist guy

1:38:41

that does surgeries. Orthodontist, is that

1:38:43

right? No, I don't

1:38:45

think so. They do like races

1:38:47

and stuff. Oh, right. Orthodontist. Yeah,

1:38:49

yeah. I don't know. Either

1:38:52

way. He suggested this like drink that you can just get

1:38:54

at like Saevon or whatever else. Oral

1:38:57

surgeon, yeah, okay, sure. I thought it was more

1:38:59

complicated. What's an oral surgeon? Yeah. Yeah.

1:39:02

What's the like name behind it? What's a,

1:39:04

what's a, what's a landmark case?

1:39:09

What's the word? This

1:39:11

f***ing... Darn it. No,

1:39:14

but yeah, it's this drink. Tooth

1:39:16

fairy. So we bought... Big floatplane chat, got

1:39:18

you. We

1:39:21

bought like a bunch of this one

1:39:23

type of drink because it was recommended

1:39:25

by the guy. Yeah. Is

1:39:28

it PDLA? And sure, yep. Yeah,

1:39:31

that's the one. And

1:39:33

we figured out that it's like very common

1:39:35

for like, you know, old

1:39:38

people that have trouble chewing because of their

1:39:40

own thing going on. And

1:39:43

it tasted really

1:39:45

good. Really? So when

1:39:47

I was on all the drugs, I was like, this is great.

1:39:49

Yeah, just, I'll just have this. This is

1:39:51

no problem. Oh, is it just like full of sugar? And then

1:39:53

when the drugs started fading, I was like, why does this taste

1:39:55

so good? It's

1:39:58

basically a milkshake. Like

1:40:00

actually. Does it bring all the boys to the

1:40:02

yard though? Probably. It brought me to

1:40:04

the yard. Nice. Where's the, can

1:40:06

I get a nutrition label? Insurance

1:40:09

info. Okay,

1:40:13

we're going to your screen? Not yet. Yeah,

1:40:15

you never know what might come up. You search for things on that

1:40:18

internet. Okay,

1:40:21

here we go. It does

1:40:23

have a lot of the vitamins. Where's

1:40:25

its information? It's got a bunch of protein.

1:40:28

Can I go to your screen so that we're not just imagining this?

1:40:31

It has 9 grams of protein, but it also has 18% of your daily

1:40:33

sugar in 220 calories. Oh

1:40:36

wow. Oh yeah. Okay,

1:40:40

so it's sugar water. It's basically a

1:40:42

milkshake. And

1:40:44

they'll even flavor them like milk, chocolate,

1:40:46

vanilla, strawberry. Oh nice. But

1:40:49

when you're having milkshakes for every

1:40:51

meal, it's like whoa. Okay. That's

1:40:54

how they get you. Alright. It's like

1:40:56

corn maltodextrin, just like corn syrup. Is

1:40:59

that in there? It's the second ingredient after

1:41:01

water. It's water

1:41:03

and corn syrup. And then the next one is sugar. The

1:41:05

next one is like milk effectively. Oh,

1:41:08

it's a thickener. Sorry,

1:41:11

it's thickened water and then sugar.

1:41:14

So yeah. Nice. Yeah, with

1:41:16

milk protein in there as well. So it's basically

1:41:18

a milkshake. Yeah, maltodextrin

1:41:20

is the like corn based. The

1:41:24

one added thing that they do give you is

1:41:26

it is pumped with like vitamins and stuff. But

1:41:29

still. So are vitamins. Which

1:41:31

you can just buy. Yeah, they're

1:41:34

not even expensive. Oh

1:41:37

my goodness. For how

1:41:39

cheap vitamins are, it's actually kind of amazing how

1:41:41

unmotivated I am to just take them. Yeah.

1:41:45

I just never, I'm always like, yeah,

1:41:47

I'm going to like take vitamins now. And

1:41:50

then I do it for a week and

1:41:52

then I just am distracted. I

1:41:54

thought it was hilarious because I was

1:41:57

thinking I'm still taking athletic greens.

1:42:00

to kind of flush out my diet because

1:42:02

I eat a lot of the same thing all the time, so I'm

1:42:04

sure I'm missing some stuff. Speaking of which, confirmed,

1:42:08

Luke will be doing a float plane

1:42:10

exclusive with the 100% success

1:42:13

meal, showing you guys how to make

1:42:15

it. I haven't made it in years, so I'm going

1:42:17

to have to practice. Wow, so basically

1:42:19

you're saying once you're in a relationship, you

1:42:22

don't have to try anymore. Yeah. Or

1:42:25

you can try other things that don't need to have that

1:42:27

type of success rate as much. Not

1:42:29

a lesson. Because you're

1:42:32

getting there anyways. I

1:42:37

can hear Emma being taken for granted from

1:42:39

here. What? What was

1:42:42

I saying? What was I saying?

1:42:45

Luke is single in 3, 2, 1. No.

1:42:49

No, no, I'm afraid. What was I going

1:42:52

to say? What was I even thinking of?

1:42:54

You totally... And generous apparently. I'm

1:43:01

sorry, Emma's mom and dad. But

1:43:04

they don't watch this, do they? Well, they sure

1:43:06

do. That doesn't sound like my problem. All right,

1:43:08

vitamins. This is great. All right, vitamins. Yeah, yeah,

1:43:10

yeah, yeah. So I started

1:43:12

taking athletic greens to round

1:43:14

it out. Yeah,

1:43:16

vitamins. What is in that stuff? What's

1:43:20

in those anyways? And

1:43:22

I confidently said... Just a

1:43:24

high fiver. I

1:43:30

confidently said that I was getting sick less. And

1:43:34

then like very shortly after saying that,

1:43:36

I got sick like twice in a row and

1:43:38

one of them lasted a really long time. Yeah,

1:43:40

that was nasty. I don't

1:43:42

know. Travel, man. Travel gets ya. Yeah,

1:43:45

travel and gatherings. Yeah, both of those

1:43:47

two things are rough. Travel gurlings. Yes.

1:43:52

Especially both, that's what I was

1:43:54

trying to say. Oh

1:43:57

my goodness. 789

1:44:00

says meh if her parents don't know you're doing it by

1:44:03

now That would be

1:44:05

a little weird. Yeah. Yeah. No,

1:44:07

we've been absent it for Good

1:44:13

gravy good

1:44:15

gravy. I mean it must be Save

1:44:30

me not saving me

1:44:33

get out of here. How'd you

1:44:35

say so red? Ah Drug

1:44:44

dealers adopt drones. Yeah, according to a

1:44:46

recent vice report law enforcement around the

1:44:48

world are noting a market shift in

1:44:51

Using drones to move drugs across international

1:44:53

borders over the past few years driven

1:44:55

in part by consumer drones being becoming

1:44:58

larger and increasingly cheap in

1:45:01

2021 Spanish narcotics police captured a drone with a

1:45:05

13 foot wingspan whoa

1:45:09

capable of carrying 330

1:45:11

pounds of cargo while this was

1:45:13

a mass manufactured droid or drone

1:45:16

built in China built

1:45:19

in China in Spanish

1:45:22

authorities. Okay. Yeah found three

1:45:24

submersible drones that were manufactured

1:45:26

specifically to ferry drugs and

1:45:29

capable of carrying 440

1:45:31

pounds of cargo Wow drones

1:45:34

are also being used to deliver drugs and

1:45:36

other contraband into otherwise difficult to reach areas

1:45:38

within countries such as Prisons

1:45:41

as reported by officials in the US

1:45:43

and Canada. I read an article about

1:45:45

this a while back Apparently, yeah, really

1:45:47

difficult to stop them because it wouldn't

1:45:49

be a giant 13 foot

1:45:51

wingspan one. That's just like yeah To

1:45:53

do coming up to a president would

1:45:56

be little zippy ones going and

1:45:58

you know, they have time out in the yard or whatever

1:46:00

else. There's

1:46:02

very little incentive, I don't think, for

1:46:05

the people who work there to have

1:46:08

100% constant monitoring of all

1:46:11

the skies in the area. Yeah, like it's a

1:46:13

really difficult problem. You could drop it from pretty

1:46:15

high, too. Oh,

1:46:17

last October, the UK government introduced no-fly zones

1:46:19

around all of their prisons, which of course,

1:46:21

I mean, if you just

1:46:24

have a regulation that'll... That's gotta stop it!

1:46:26

That'll keep out the Nerdwells. Yeah!

1:46:29

Oh, jeez. That

1:46:32

whole big drone, 13 feet. That

1:46:34

would be able to go pretty high,

1:46:36

probably. Probably. But would it be

1:46:38

better to keep it low from a radar stamp?

1:46:40

I don't know. No idea. I mean, I'm not

1:46:42

involved in contraband smuggling, so I admittedly... I also

1:46:45

don't know enough about radar. ...know very little about

1:46:47

this world. Isn't radar specifically worse at picking up

1:46:49

small objects? I do not know. Well, yeah, but

1:46:51

that's why I was saying, if it's big, it

1:46:53

could probably get up high. But it's also... But

1:46:55

it would probably be better to... ...have a lot

1:46:57

of space in between the arms, I suspect. Stay

1:46:59

low. I suspect those arms are thin. Yeah,

1:47:02

but if you have, like, 330 pounds of anything, I'd

1:47:04

imagine that could... That's

1:47:06

fair. I mean, considering that they

1:47:08

can pick up a little whirly bird or whatever,

1:47:10

like, that's probably gonna have some substantialness to it.