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What is up everyone and welcome to what I hope

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is going to become a new trend on The WAN

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Show. We're on time? We

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are early. Oh. Now think about this,

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if we could be this early for

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a consecutive year. You like makeup? We

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could make our way back to neutral. That's

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a good point. We've got a great show

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lined up for you guys today. Of course,

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our headline topic is Adobe

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getting their just desserts of

0:25

finally getting at

0:28

least some attention on some of

0:30

the, if not

0:32

illegal, at least very

0:34

anti-consumer and offensive billing practices

0:37

that they have participated in over

0:39

the last little while. I got

0:41

signed out of Google Docs right

0:43

as I was saying that. So

0:45

Luke gets to pick three topics

0:47

today. No, Luke, Luke, it's your

0:49

day. It's your day to shine.

0:51

The Snapdragon X launch was not

0:53

quite what people had hoped, but

0:55

there is some good news. Also,

0:59

Nvidia becomes the world's most valuable

1:01

company. Didn't they already become? Oh

1:04

yeah. Continues to do extremely

1:06

Nvidia-like things. Nice.

1:08

We'll also discuss. And SoftBank

1:12

develops real-time emotion canceling tech.

1:15

It was a very, very

1:17

short break, but his brain

1:19

was like, I have done

1:22

two topics now. So

1:25

truly the intro will come. Today's

1:48

show is brought to you by Squarespace, MSI,

1:51

Control D, and of course our

1:53

chair partner, Secret Lab. Why don't

1:56

we jump right into the big

1:58

Adobe topic first? assuming that

2:00

I can find it. Ah, yes. Okay,

2:03

no, I don't wanna do that. What I

2:05

wanna do first is I

2:07

wanna talk about the moment when I

2:09

realized Adobe Head completely jumped the shark.

2:12

So when we were in the

2:15

early, but not quite like ridiculous growth

2:17

phase where we added like 50 people

2:19

in 18 months or 24 months or

2:21

whatever it was, but when we

2:23

were growing at a pretty steady clip and

2:26

adding creatives to our cloud, I

2:31

actually don't think of our team as

2:34

a cloud of employees. That's actually super

2:36

weird. They're not sperm. I

2:40

thought you were going somewhere else

2:42

with that. Anymore. I

2:47

haven't slept much, okay? Oh, man.

2:50

The point is, the point is

2:53

that when we were growing at

2:55

a pretty steady clip, one of the

2:57

things that you have to do is

2:59

you have to add seats to

3:02

your Adobe Creative Cloud subscription, right? So

3:04

every time we would add a new

3:06

person, part of the onboarding was for

3:09

us to grab a new Adobe Creative

3:11

Cloud subscription and set it to

3:13

their email and they would have two

3:15

concurrent logins and all those rules

3:18

and everything, right? But then one

3:20

day something bizarre happened. Someone

3:23

left or was fired or something.

3:25

I can't remember. But for the

3:27

first time in forever, our

3:30

headcount in the editing department or

3:32

in one of the creative departments went

3:35

down by one. And

3:37

I was like, oh, okay. I

3:39

was the administrator of our Adobe account at the time.

3:41

And I was like, well, surely

3:43

this is no problem. I will simply go

3:45

in and you

3:48

can't remove a seat. When

3:51

you're an organization that has, I

3:54

mean, at that point, we probably had somewhere between half

3:56

a dozen and a dozen seats or something like that.

4:00

And when you're an organization that has a bunch

4:02

of seats, when you add another seat, you

4:06

can't cancel it unless you pay, I

4:09

think you can pay like a, I

4:12

think you can pay a cancellation fee. Yeah, an early

4:14

termination fee. But that blew

4:16

my mind. The fact that

4:19

adding seats was like permanent.

4:22

Like if your company didn't just grow

4:25

forever, that

4:28

was it. The whole seat system is just

4:30

crazy to me in general. Like there's a

4:33

lot of enterprise software,

4:35

enterprise SaaS solutions that operate

4:37

on a seat system. And

4:40

it doesn't make any sense to me.

4:42

Of course, that's not the part that's

4:44

necessarily illegal. Let's get into why Adobe

4:46

is being jointly sued by the US

4:48

Department of Justice and the

4:50

Federal Trade Commission, alleging that

4:52

the company imposed a hidden

4:56

early termination fee and

4:58

complex and challenging cancellation process

5:00

upon subscribers, violating the Restore

5:02

Online Shoppers Confidence Act. Wow,

5:04

what a catchy name. Which

5:06

has been around since 2010.

5:09

So it's the hidden nature. It's the

5:11

dark patterns that were present in the

5:13

signup process that made it so that,

5:16

and you know what? Truthfully, if I

5:18

had read the entire terms and conditions,

5:20

I probably would have known. I

5:22

probably would have known that I was signing

5:24

up for a one-year subscription, not

5:27

simply adding another seat

5:29

to my monthly bill that I was

5:31

paying. Because from my point

5:33

of view, I wasn't

5:35

terminating anything. I was just altering

5:37

the deal. Pray I don't alter it further. You

5:40

know, like I was just changing

5:42

the amount I was paying them per month. But

5:45

from their point of view, no, no. We

5:47

have a dozen individual

5:50

year-long contracts. And I

5:53

don't know, whichever one you've canceled is, whichever one

5:55

has the longest amount left. No, I actually don't

5:57

know that part. I do

6:00

wanna. No matter how that works. Now, this is pretty

6:02

cool. All right, so I was gonna say, sure, I

6:04

could have read all of that, but realistically, I was

6:06

running a fledgling business. What I

6:08

was gonna spend, I was gonna spend a bunch

6:11

of money on a lawyer that we can't afford

6:13

to read, to read a

6:15

eula for me, or I was

6:17

gonna sit and waste like two

6:19

hours of my day reading a

6:21

eula. They know that isn't gonna

6:23

happen, and that's why they hide

6:25

these details in these verbose documents.

6:27

Now, this is the most interesting

6:29

part of this, because some like

6:31

asshole company having

6:33

deceptive or misleading subscription

6:35

practices is not exactly

6:37

newsworthy. But what is

6:40

really fascinating about this to me is

6:43

that the lawsuit is

6:45

targeting specific Adobe executives,

6:47

Meninder Sahin Sanyi, president

6:50

of Digital Media Business, and David

6:53

Woodwani, the VP of Digital Go-to-Market

6:55

and Sales. I

6:59

don't follow this as closely as some legal scholars probably

7:03

do, so for you in the comments, thank

7:05

you for your scholarship in the field of

7:08

legality. And

7:10

I appreciate that you've noticed this

7:13

before, but I haven't noticed this

7:15

before, going after a

7:17

company while also specifically naming

7:20

individuals who would have had

7:22

to be complicit in

7:25

these practices. I

7:27

love it. It seems good. I

7:29

love it. I think it's good. Why do you get

7:32

to just be like, well,

7:35

no, a corporation is a person,

7:37

and I was just the like

7:40

shoulder skin cell. Surely

7:42

you can't convict me of murder

7:44

just because the right hand was

7:46

all stab, stab, stab, stab, stab.

7:52

There should be some accountability

7:54

for the individuals in these

7:56

organizations that are making these

7:59

decisions. Enthusiastically. Yes, I

8:01

I am I am happy anyway The

8:04

US DOJ and FTC alleged that

8:06

Adobe pushed Creative Cloud subscribers into

8:09

annual plans without disclosing that canceling

8:11

the first year Could cost hundreds

8:13

of dollars under the

8:15

leadership of chair Lena Khan The

8:17

FTC has been cracking down on

8:19

deceptive practices like this last year

8:21

They filed a similar lawsuit against

8:23

Amazon for their prime membership sign-up

8:25

and cancellation process which was awesome

8:27

I'm I'm super happy about this.

8:29

I think this is absolutely fantastic

8:33

It turned out we didn't end up canceling

8:35

our subscription because we knew we were probably

8:37

going to hire someone because we were growing

8:40

and that is Exactly the

8:42

kind of I'm gonna

8:44

say it outright theft that these

8:46

kinds of practices allow where I

8:48

signed a deal not Understanding

8:51

the terms not because I'm an idiot but because

8:53

they buried it somewhere knowing that I would be

8:55

sort of an idiot Some

8:57

fractional amount of an idiot But

9:00

but aren't we all justifiably idiotic

9:02

there. I need a shirt that says

9:04

that on it I'm

9:08

an idiot in a way that I can

9:10

really that I can really put my convictions

9:12

behind So

9:16

they they took that money from me

9:18

because I didn't properly understand the deal

9:20

where I paid for nothing For some

9:22

period of time until we actually added

9:24

another person a lot of people are

9:26

saying they would buy that shirt The

9:28

jokes on you though Adobe because at

9:30

that time we were using our second

9:32

sign-in To have twice as many

9:34

editors as we had license. Yeah, yeah Yeah,

9:38

I broke your terms of service, and I

9:41

don't even feel bad Also,

9:43

we used pirated cs6 for like the

9:46

first probably year or two

9:49

I Don't

9:51

remember when we actually use Pirated

9:54

Sony Vegas before that if it

9:56

helps was that real I

9:58

was paid Yeah, yeah, no, I actually I

10:01

am one of the dozens who

10:04

purchased Sony Vegas movie studio.

10:08

I kind of liked it. Yeah. If you don't

10:10

do anything special in it at all, it's

10:13

really easy to use. You can even

10:15

do some like kind of cool stuff

10:17

in it. Some special things in it.

10:19

The fact that, oh man, the fact

10:21

that Adobe software has so many tiny,

10:23

tiny little icons, and I get it,

10:25

I get it. Macros

10:28

and hotkeys and everything are

10:30

absolutely an essential part of

10:34

using this software. But imagine

10:36

for a moment if,

10:38

you know, there were certain manipulations that I

10:40

could do on the timeline that just didn't

10:43

require me to click on a teeny,

10:46

tiny little indicator button and also didn't

10:48

require me to press anything on my

10:50

keyboard. And the whole thing was just

10:52

a lot more casual. I actually quite

10:54

liked editing in Sony Vegas.

10:56

Yes, it's owned by Magix now, who

11:00

is someone. Yeah,

11:02

it's Magix Vegas. That's a

11:04

worse name. Yeah, I

11:06

assume that there are lions involved.

11:08

Tigers, dang it. My

11:15

brain is so tired that I was like

11:17

Sigmund and Freud. No, wait. Siegfried and Roy,

11:19

that's the one. Why

11:23

don't we do another topic? Oh,

11:27

fantastic. My brain doesn't turn on

11:29

before noon at the best of

11:31

times. Oh yeah. Last night I was

11:34

up pretty late working on a slideshow.

11:36

So I am, I'm

11:39

in a, I'm a vibe today. My

11:42

hair is as flat as I feel tired.

11:44

Come on. Let's get this some, let's get

11:46

this some elevation here. That did not work

11:48

at all. Okay. Well, you work on that.

11:50

I'll go with the Snapdragon X launch. Snapdragon

11:52

X launch, not quite Microsoft's Apple Silicon moment,

11:55

but hey, they, they sleep and wake real

11:57

good, which is actually, I mean, I mean

11:59

that's a. That's a win. That's

12:01

a genuine W. I'm

12:03

honestly, that would make me consider

12:06

switching. Right? What

12:08

do I even do on my laptop? Browser

12:11

stuff? Like nothing. Do

12:14

I look as tired as I think I do? I think

12:16

we sort of both do. I

12:18

think you probably look

12:20

a little bit more tired because I probably got a little bit

12:23

more sleep. Nice. What were you up so

12:25

late doing? Oh, just being

12:27

me. I wasn't up nearly as

12:29

late as you. Okay. So just dumb.

12:32

Yeah. Nice. Justifiably so

12:34

though, right? Yeah. Cool.

12:36

He needed the me time. Yeah. But

12:41

like, I mean, yeah. Elijah, I'm

12:44

actually not kidding. Get back to work.

12:46

Turn off the WAN show. You can

12:48

watch later. You're being a very bad

12:50

example. Okay,

12:53

go. Optics. It

12:55

took me like six years of that speech to get

12:57

it. You'll get there eventually. Yeah, man. Oh, but dude,

13:00

the conversations I used to have with this guy

13:02

be like, look, okay, if

13:05

I like slip you a power supply or

13:07

something like don't don't make

13:09

a song and dance of it because like

13:13

we can't give a power supply to everyone, you

13:15

know, just like you're going to make it so

13:17

that we can't do. We can't do this is

13:19

why we can't have nice things because as

13:22

soon as as soon as people make a big

13:24

deal about stuff, it's like, okay, well, look, we

13:26

can't give out 100 power supplies every time. You

13:29

know, we do something. It's like now people

13:31

aren't allowed to borrow stuff from the office

13:33

anymore. Yeah. Way to go,

13:36

Luke. I think that was mostly camera stuff, wasn't it? It

13:39

started with the camera stuff because camera

13:41

operators would borrow things and it

13:44

was mostly fine, except that

13:46

all of a sudden we had so many

13:48

creatives and only so many

13:50

cameras and all of a sudden we're sitting here

13:52

going, okay, so sorry, what are we going to

13:54

create like a like a sign out sheet and

13:56

like a prioritization system and and one of the

13:58

big challenges is that

14:00

if they don't have actual third party insurance

14:03

for the shoot that they're doing, which mostly

14:05

they didn't, because it was like little indie

14:07

projects and stuff. If they don't have

14:09

it legally, I

14:11

actually am not allowed to just

14:13

like take it out of their

14:15

payer, whatever. Right, that makes sense.

14:18

They can voluntarily pay it back

14:20

and I could choose to accept that.

14:23

But if something gets broken, like from

14:25

a legal standpoint here in BC, I

14:28

can't just like dock someone's pay to be re-compensated

14:30

for something that they broke or lost. It doesn't

14:33

work that way. So the liability of having people

14:35

just like borrowing stuff all the time and the

14:37

tracking of it was all of a sudden going

14:39

to be like a substantial amount of someone's job.

14:41

And we're looking at it going like, how

14:44

does this make any sense? So forget

14:46

it. All

14:49

right, SnapDragonX, sorry, go on. No

14:51

worries, yeah. The first co-pilot plus

14:53

laptops powered by Qualcomm's arm-based SnapDragonX

14:56

series, chips officially launched on Tuesday.

14:58

And so far, reviews are tentatively

15:00

positive, praising the arrival of Windows

15:03

laptops that actually sleep and wake

15:05

properly. But get ready for

15:07

the caveats. The only full reviews on

15:09

launch day were for the ASUS VivoBook

15:11

S15, featuring the lowest

15:14

tier SnapDragonX Elite, the X1E78100.

15:18

Can I interrupt for a second? As

15:22

part of our briefing with Qualcomm,

15:26

this part clearly did not make it

15:28

into the sponsored piece that we did

15:30

on the launch. But

15:32

as part of our briefing with Qualcomm, as

15:36

part of our briefing with Qualcomm, I

15:40

probably let them have it for about 13 minutes on

15:47

their naming scheme for these things. Yeah,

15:49

during your, you let

15:51

them have it for 13 minutes? Yeah, yeah.

15:53

During your what? No,

15:55

no, no, that was much less than 13 minutes. Are you

15:57

kidding me? Do you know how happy

15:59

you've been? would be if I could go 13 minutes now. Oh

16:02

no. So that

16:04

is the, dude, that is the actual

16:06

model number of that chip. X1e-78-100

16:09

is a consumer facing model number. I'm

16:16

not even, and I was like, no, you

16:21

guys need to change that now. And

16:23

they're like, what's wrong with it? What

16:26

does it even stand for? So X1e, I'm

16:28

assuming, is like X1 elite. Yes.

16:31

But then what is 78 and 100? So

16:34

I didn't even realize. They all seem to

16:36

end in 100. I didn't even realize until

16:38

we were doing our briefing with them that

16:40

there are various

16:46

bins of the various

16:48

Snapdragon Elite chips. So

16:51

here you go. Here's the SKU lineup

16:54

from some article or something. This just

16:56

demonstrates my point. So Snapdragon

17:00

X1 Elite, Snapdragon, or Snapdragon

17:02

X Elite and Snapdragon X

17:05

Plus. I've got no

17:08

problem with that. That's fine. And they

17:10

were like, so yeah, so what's wrong

17:12

with it? It's Snapdragon X Elite and

17:14

Snapdragon X Plus. I'm like, nothing. That's

17:16

great. That's basically like your good, better,

17:18

best. It's your i5, i7. It's

17:22

your, you know, your regular, your LE,

17:24

your SE, your

17:28

touring or whatever, you know, coming back to cars.

17:30

It's sure, that's fine. You got your

17:32

different trim levels. You got your different

17:35

stratified product lines. No

17:37

problem. What the

17:40

ever loving is this? So

17:43

I'm like, okay, no problem. We got X1

17:46

Elite. I'm with you here. Then

17:48

we've got a designation. Okay,

17:51

so we got 84, 80 and 78. So

17:53

these are three different bins of the chip that

17:56

run at different clock

17:58

speeds that. Ironically,

18:00

if I'm kind of looking

18:02

at this, okay, so the 84 is

18:05

four more than 80 and it gets 0.2

18:10

gigahertz more, but oh

18:13

no, but the GPU is a lot

18:16

faster and then the 80 is

18:18

only two more than the 78, but

18:21

it's clocked like way the crap higher on

18:23

two core max turbo on the CPU, but

18:25

it gets the same GPU. What

18:28

does this mean? Also, why is there a random 100

18:30

at the end? I

18:33

think you can either keep the one in between the

18:35

X and the E or you can keep the 100.

18:37

You got to pick one, drop the other. I

18:40

do not understand. The

18:45

100 is probably the generation. I don't care. But

18:47

then what's the one in between the X1E? Basically,

18:49

what I told them was I was like, look,

18:51

have you ever been to London Drugs? London

18:55

Drugs is a regional sort of, I don't

18:57

know what they sell. They sell everything. They

18:59

have like bag chips and cosmetics and TVs.

19:01

Like a really expensive corner store that also

19:03

has a pharmacy. Small appliances. Like it's, I

19:05

don't know, it's kind of a weird, it's

19:07

kind of a weird chain. They

19:10

seem like kind of cool people, sort of

19:12

cowboys, but like in a cool way. Anyway,

19:15

London Drugs, everyone. London Drugs seems

19:17

like cowboys? I

19:19

just mean like, you know, like, yeehaw, you know, they

19:21

just, yeah, exactly. They're

19:23

cowboys. So

19:25

I went into one recently to buy a

19:28

television for my grandparents. They just

19:30

needed a bigger TV so that they could see

19:32

the picture on the screen. And

19:35

they carry a handful of brands. And

19:37

what I noticed was that, hey, it's been a while

19:39

since I've been in a small regional electronics store because,

19:42

you know, I used to work at one and then

19:44

I had no reason to go to one after that.

19:47

And I was walking, I was trying to compare

19:49

TVs to each other because I've been out of

19:51

the loop for a little bit on budget TVs.

19:53

Like I kind of know what's going on at

19:55

the high end that everyone wants to talk to

19:57

you about at a trade show or whatever. In

20:00

terms of what people actually buy, I was like, okay,

20:02

well, I'm just, I'm gonna need to kind of refresh

20:04

myself on, you know, does this

20:06

one, how many local dimming zones does this have?

20:08

And does

20:11

this one have how many HDMI inputs does this

20:13

have? That kind of thing. And as I went

20:15

around and I looked at the little little product

20:17

cards, right? I realized that. They

20:20

weren't comparable to each other at all. They

20:22

told me basically nothing. And

20:25

so this was custom like this is our

20:27

version of whatever. Well, it just, there was

20:29

no consistency. So, so Joe

20:32

in the warehouse might've printed up this

20:34

one. And then Sally at the in

20:36

the in the front might've printed up this one.

20:38

And she didn't look at what Joe did. So

20:41

she just kind of made up her own

20:43

list of key important specs. So

20:46

it's comparable. OK, it

20:48

was so hard to compare. And

20:50

realistically, I just I talked

20:52

to I talked to Sally. No,

20:55

I was some dude. I don't remember their name,

20:57

but I talked to someone. I was like, this

20:59

is even less helpful. But

21:02

that's what that's what a lot of people are dealing

21:05

with when they go to when they go to buy

21:07

something. And frankly, the big box stores are not a

21:09

lot better. And so like I was

21:11

at a Costco and I was comparing the cards on

21:13

the different PCs and TVs and stuff, just because I

21:16

was thinking about this afterward and I was like,

21:18

yeah, it's better, but it's not consistent either. And

21:21

so what I was talking to them about is I was like, look.

21:25

This is confusing. This is going to end up

21:27

on there. Like, what does it mean? And they

21:29

like they brought out their decoder sheet kind of

21:31

like Intel has for it for their product names.

21:33

And I was like, right. But the

21:36

consumer is not going to have that. So basically, my problem

21:38

so far, because we haven't

21:40

gotten through the

21:42

rest of the topic, is I would like to see a

21:45

coherent naming scheme. I

21:47

would like to see I would like to see these.

21:50

You know what? I give up. This

21:53

is the same company that just has Snapdragon

21:56

8 Gen, whatever. Actually,

22:00

no, forget it. Let's keep going.

22:02

It's just not gonna happen. Yep, carry on. Okay,

22:06

most performance and efficiency benchmarks have

22:08

it matching or slightly exceeding Intel

22:10

and AMD's current competitors, which is

22:13

good to hear. It usually beats

22:15

Apple's base M3 in multi-core, but

22:17

is worse when it comes to

22:20

single core performance and efficiency. Gaming

22:22

performance is still in question. The

22:25

Copilot Plus PCs are not gaming

22:27

laptops, but despite launching a dedicated

22:29

website to catalog game compatibility, early

22:31

reviews noted games like Overwatch 2

22:34

and Witcher 3 performed much worse

22:36

than their ratings would actually suggest.

22:39

Some reviews covering the faster X1E80 100,

22:41

wow. That

22:45

sucks. And the X1E84 100 have started to

22:47

trickle out, but

22:50

truly comprehensive reviews are in short supply. I wanna see

22:52

the 100 dropped. Qualcomm,

22:54

if you're watching this, just lose the

22:57

100 and we're good. X1E80 and X1E84 would have been

22:59

great. And

23:01

then when you go to next generation, just make it X2E. Yeah,

23:05

perfect. And it would be- Solution solved.

23:07

Yep. According to Windows

23:09

Central's Zach Bowden, many media outlets

23:11

only receive review units on Tuesday,

23:14

thanks to Microsoft's last minute recall

23:17

of its recall feature. That

23:19

is a funny line, but yeah, it

23:21

also something that actually happened. Microsoft

23:24

has also reportedly changed CoPilot

23:26

from a locally run to a progressive

23:29

web app, removing its ability to control

23:31

Windows settings, which- Is

23:34

less convenient, but probably

23:36

really good for security. Better. With

23:38

that said, sorry, I'm totally gonna tangent

23:41

again. Sure. We did a super cool

23:43

video this week. That's not the show. That's

23:45

sort of the show. It's

23:48

the part of the show people care about. Ah,

23:51

right. We did

23:53

a really cool video this week. We got

23:55

our hands on a hard drive that

23:58

contained basically every- malware

24:00

known to man. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah so you know

24:03

about this. Yeah well I know about both

24:05

the hard drive and the fact that we have

24:07

it. Yeah. Yeah is your

24:09

team like terrified that that is sitting on a shelf

24:11

here? Oh no it's like a thing you can just

24:13

get those. I know. Yeah yeah but does it bother

24:16

you that it's just like here and someone could like

24:18

grab it and do something with it? Not

24:22

really. Doesn't really matter you can download all the same stuff

24:24

it's from a place called VX Underground.

24:26

Yeah it's cool. Yeah super cool

24:29

a little a little sketchy. I actually I

24:33

we don't really know anything about the

24:35

folks that are behind it so I'm

24:37

not there is no recommendation here just

24:40

we bought a hard drive. But it but it's

24:42

cool and it's a it's a really interesting tool

24:45

for like learning about how this stuff works. Yes

24:47

and I will tell you that I you know

24:50

fundamentally understood you

24:53

know how things can get pwned and you

24:55

know people can you know remote access whatever

24:57

you know what you know remote access Trojan

24:59

you know rat or you whatever. I'd

25:01

never seen the interface I'd

25:03

never used one. We

25:12

fired up the boar rat rat

25:15

and like oh my god the

25:19

the fact that co-pilot can't

25:21

change your settings anymore or

25:23

whatever it's like honestly probably

25:25

kind of irrelevant. Like yes more

25:28

attack vectors is more bad. It's

25:30

a different way in. But realistically

25:32

knowing that social engineering is so

25:35

much of how people are getting

25:37

and the fact that an application

25:39

like this exists that allows you

25:42

to do literally anything

25:44

to the target computer. You can

25:46

do anything you can BSOD

25:49

it for fun. You

25:54

can do anything so guys check out the

25:56

video it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun. But

26:01

basically what I'm saying is, yeah, it's

26:03

probably good that Copilot is not gonna

26:06

be an attack factor. Less holes in

26:08

the Swiss cheese. Less holes in the

26:10

Swiss cheese, but realistically. There's

26:12

a lot of holes in the Swiss cheese. Yeah,

26:14

they don't call it Swiss cheese because it's a

26:16

solid block right now. Modern Windows

26:18

machines with Windows Defender are pretty good.

26:22

Sure. It's a lot better than it used to be. Yeah. Like

26:24

actually. Trust me, I know. I

26:28

remember when you couldn't have your network port

26:31

plugged in while you installed

26:33

Windows XP if you had an

26:35

old disk because otherwise Blaster Worm

26:37

would literally infect the system just

26:39

randomly before you did anything faster

26:41

than you could download an antivirus

26:43

program. Oh

26:47

man. Okay,

26:51

where was I? I don't know.

26:54

Microsoft also reportedly changed Copilot. Oh, right.

26:56

No, already read that. The surprisingly capable

26:59

new ARM chips are in danger of

27:01

being overshadowed in a couple months by

27:03

Intel's very impressive looking

27:05

Lunar Lake and AMD's Ryzen AI

27:08

300 laptop chips, not

27:11

to mention M4 MacBooks expected in

27:13

the fall. Wait, hold

27:15

on. Yeah, can we actually give Apple props?

27:19

For what? Their chip names? Yes.

27:22

They're good. They're easy to understand. Extremely.

27:25

What is an M1 Ultra? Quick.

27:27

A better M1? Sort

27:31

of. Well,

27:34

okay. I haven't followed it at all. Yeah.

27:37

Okay, so an M1, there's M1 plus, M1, M1, it's

27:41

either pro or plus, M1 max, and then

27:43

M1 Ultras to M1 maxes. Okay.

27:46

So basically they've got good, better, best,

27:50

and they're not good, better, better. They've

27:52

got good, better, best, ultimate,

27:54

which is totally fine.

27:57

You've got M, which is... You

28:00

know what it is? I don't

28:02

know. It's Apple and silicon. Don't worry about it.

28:04

And then you've just got a generation name. It's

28:06

funny because Apple is both the best and the

28:09

worst at this stuff. Even

28:11

the I even as bloated as the iPhone. Like

28:13

give it a good name or just don't actually

28:15

name it at all. As bloated as the iPhone

28:18

lineup has become with, you know, pro and plus

28:20

and pro max. Pretty easy. Everything

28:22

has a clear meaning. What is pro?

28:24

It means it has sort of something

28:27

extra that probably most people don't need. It

28:31

got a little bit confusing when they did that

28:33

generation. I forget what it was where they had

28:35

both the what was it? The eight and the

28:37

10 and then they like skip nine or something

28:39

like that when they had the X. The X.

28:42

Yeah. Because but at least there was

28:44

a reason for it. It was the 10th anniversary and

28:47

the 3G and 3GS sort of

28:49

generation had gotten a little muddy

28:51

with respect to, you know, what Gen was what.

28:53

And they were kind of like they were they

28:56

were almost like like fixing it. And

28:58

and OK, there has been

29:00

again a little bit of muddiness where

29:02

sometimes, you know, you get

29:04

a generational number on an iPhone, but it

29:07

actually has the last gen chip that the

29:09

current gen is like that if I recall

29:11

correctly, we're only the the like pro got

29:13

the current judge. OK, so things can get

29:15

a little bit confusing, but shouldn't log. But

29:17

year to year, it's very clear

29:19

exactly, you know, which which one

29:21

you've got. And then they've got

29:23

they've got buying an iPhone. Then

29:25

they've got stuff like the Mac

29:27

Pro. They

29:30

just keep calling it Mac Pro. And

29:32

I'm expected to know what

29:34

what portion of which year it was

29:36

released. I'm supposed to keep track of

29:38

that. Like that's absolutely ridiculous. So I

29:41

don't get it because clearly

29:43

Apple knows how to name things so

29:45

that it so that you understand that

29:47

there's like a benefit to upgrading

29:49

to it. But sometimes they just don't want you

29:51

to know that you

29:54

just have MacBook Air. It's like, OK, yeah,

29:56

I've got I've got MacBook Air. Why why

29:58

can't I install a modern. and browser on

30:00

it. What

30:02

is his name? Sébas-Contre?

30:08

We got the Europeans in the chat

30:10

today. There's going to be some names

30:12

I can't pronounce very well. He said,

30:15

but the processor completes the name now.

30:18

This is the Mac Pro with M2

30:20

chip. Okay,

30:23

well then that's good. That does help a bit. That helps a lot. That

30:26

helps a lot. So hey, kudos

30:28

for improvement. Yeah. Way

30:30

to go. Yeah, I'm

30:32

happy to see it. There are a lot

30:35

of Mac Pros that do not have that in

30:37

them though, just to be clear. Yes. All

30:40

right. Continuing not to... So there's

30:42

the new Intel and AMD laptops

30:45

coming and also the new M4

30:47

MacBooks are expected in the fall.

30:49

A new leak indicates that Qualcomm

30:51

has more unannounced X series CPUs

30:53

coming, although they are on the lower

30:56

end of the lineup. So it probably isn't going to

30:58

matter. We should stream this time

31:00

of day more often. What the heck? We have like significantly

31:03

more viewers than usual. Is

31:06

it just because it's abnormal? I have no idea.

31:09

Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice.

31:12

Nice. Yeah,

31:14

we were spoiled by Apple's amazing

31:17

ARM transition. That was wild. Qualcomm

31:20

might've overhyped these. We also

31:22

don't know how the better

31:24

tier chips are supposed to perform. We

31:27

don't even have a clear idea

31:29

necessarily of how all the different

31:31

devices with this chip are going

31:33

to perform because Qualcomm

31:36

allows their partners to run the

31:38

net wide range of different...

31:40

They don't use TDP. They don't

31:44

care. A wide range of total power

31:47

envelopes. I'm

31:50

still pretty excited just

31:52

because a lot of what

31:54

I do I don't need to game.

31:58

I need working sleep and wake. So if

32:00

that's working great, that's a W

32:02

for me. I need great battery life and

32:04

I need to, I need to run a browser. Um,

32:07

so I am definitely going to

32:09

start, I'm going to daily

32:11

drive one for some extended period of

32:13

time. Um, and we're

32:16

going to see how it goes. I'm,

32:18

I'm pretty excited. Apparently Qualcomm's exclusivity deal

32:20

with Microsoft is coming near to its

32:23

close and media tech is interested

32:25

in moving into the space. So it's not even

32:27

just going to be Snapdragon, whatever

32:29

dash 100, whatever chips,

32:32

uh, we might also get some media tech

32:35

chips. And if anyone from media tech is

32:37

watching, you have an opportunity today to

32:39

have a coherent naming scheme. That

32:42

might literally win over customers. Reflect on

32:44

that. Yeah. Coherency.

32:48

It's good. Yeah. It's

32:50

cash money. It's

32:55

Ohio, uh, skip it

32:57

or something. No, I was just like, you know,

32:59

I genuinely don't know what those are like a

33:01

coherent cash. Oh,

33:03

it's yeah. I

33:06

don't even deserve the bell. Uh,

33:11

all right. What are we supposed to be doing? A

33:16

muted bill. Um, yeah, you can do another topic.

33:18

We could do a couple of merch messages. You

33:20

tell me, why don't we do a merch? Why

33:23

don't we do a merch message? Let's do a

33:25

merch message. All right. So if you're not familiar

33:27

with the show, merch messages are the way to

33:30

chat with us. Don't do

33:32

a super chat. Don't do a Twitch bet. Uh,

33:34

yes, I've seen some criticism of merch

33:37

messages recently. Yes. The minimum

33:40

is higher than those other methods. Is

33:42

it? Yeah. Cause I think the,

33:45

the, the cheapest thing is a $10 gift

33:47

card and you could, you can send

33:49

a super chat for like a dollar or something like that.

33:52

Um, so you're right. The minimum is

33:54

higher, but that's by

33:56

design guys. We want you to

33:58

get something for. the money that

34:00

you're spending, which means we actually have to produce something and

34:02

ship it to you and all of that stuff, because

34:05

we don't want you just throwing money at your screen. And

34:08

the reason that we don't wanna take your

34:10

couple of bucks is because if the difference

34:12

between two and $10 is

34:15

a lot for you, I don't want your money.

34:18

For real. I actually don't want

34:20

it. But

34:22

if you wanna shop on the store, go

34:24

to lttstore.com in the cart. There'll

34:27

be a box whenever we're live where you

34:29

can leave a merch message. It can pop

34:31

up down there on the bottom of the

34:33

screen. Hey, thanks, Logan M. Oh, look at

34:35

that. Dan replied to this one. So he

34:37

might give you a reply directly. He might

34:39

forward to someone who might know the answer

34:42

to your question better, or he might curate

34:44

your message for me and Luke. Yeah,

34:46

hold on a second. We've got someone on

34:48

float plane complaining to CO says, but Linus,

34:50

I wanna burn my money. That's totally fine.

34:53

Just burn more of it. And

34:55

if you can't afford to burn that much of

34:57

it, then that's totally fine. Don't

34:59

burn any of it. I'm trying to be

35:01

a good influence. Yeah. Good

35:04

influence. Yeah. All right, hit me, Dan. Show

35:06

us how the merch messages work. Sure

35:09

thing. Hey, DLL, Linus, with the announcement

35:11

of Fantasian Neo Dimension being released on

35:13

multiple platforms, are you going to replay

35:16

the game on different platforms with the

35:18

updated features? No. It's

35:21

easy. I enjoyed the game. I

35:24

enjoyed the... So for

35:26

those not familiar, Fantasian

35:30

is a kind of under

35:32

the radar JRPG that

35:36

involved, I'm gonna

35:39

butcher the pronunciation, but here

35:41

Nobu Sakaguchi and Nobu

35:43

Umatsu, but basically like

35:45

OG Final Fantasy lead

35:49

and OG Final Fantasy composer

35:52

is kind of all you need to know. Really,

35:55

really unique visual

35:57

style. So the environments... Instead

36:00

of being rendered. Oh

36:02

man. This is this is horrible. Here

36:05

we go The environments instead of

36:07

being rendered are handcrafted dioramas that

36:10

were then captured and then

36:12

the The

36:15

rendered elements are they are I like

36:17

that our stuff it honestly

36:19

is Enjoyable

36:22

just walking around in

36:24

these environments. It's absolutely incredible I do

36:26

wish that they weren't so limited by

36:28

the hardware that they were running on

36:31

because the game was

36:33

an Apple arcade exclusive for

36:36

I mean it's been at least a couple of years now

36:39

and I was so excited for this

36:41

game and That

36:43

I I was like on

36:45

it like I rarely I'm like, okay, when's

36:47

this game coming when's this game? And then

36:49

it's like oh, it's Apple arcade exclusive. Oh,

36:51

it's Apple arcade exclusive basically forever. I Think

36:56

this is the first time in my life

36:58

that I have bought a console just to

37:01

play a game I went and I

37:03

bought an Apple TV something or other Apple TV

37:05

4k or something like that. I Went

37:07

to Costco. I bought a stupid Apple TV so I

37:09

could sit and play this game This is the only

37:11

you ever use it for it is the only thing

37:13

I ever did with it And it now is not

37:15

even plugged in anymore so

37:17

I played through it and I loved

37:20

how delightfully old-school it was

37:23

because It really

37:25

was like a like a back-to-basics that

37:27

the music's beautiful. The environments are beautiful.

37:29

The combat is is is fun It's

37:31

got this dimension System where as you're

37:34

walking around you get random encounters just

37:36

like a classic JRPG and there's kind

37:38

of too many of them Just like

37:40

a classic JRPG But the

37:42

main character has this device he carries

37:45

with him that allows you to just

37:47

queue up multiple random encounters So

37:49

as you walk it's just like you

37:52

got a random one and the monsters just

37:54

go into this like weird alternate

37:56

dimension and then you can fight them all at

37:58

once and That

38:00

makes some of the attacks that have like

38:02

these long arcs or like these shoot

38:05

through abilities and stuff like that make more

38:07

sense because instead of fighting two

38:09

to five at a time, you're fighting like 20 to

38:11

40 at a time. And

38:14

they like spawn in as you kill them

38:16

and stuff. And I

38:19

never really stopped enjoying the combat,

38:21

which was pretty unusual for

38:23

a JRPG where a lot of the time it's

38:26

just like, okay, well, I just max

38:28

out flare and then I spend all my money

38:31

on like ethers and

38:33

then who cares anymore. This

38:35

is just tedious. At

38:37

least the loading times are short because it's an

38:39

old one on SNES or whatever like, oh man,

38:42

playing on like the PlayStation, PlayStation 2 is painful

38:44

sometimes. Anyway, the point is that

38:46

the combat never really got old. I

38:49

will say that there are some things that

38:51

were less delightfully retro. Like

38:53

I wouldn't say that, you

38:56

know, I'm the kind of person that

38:58

is going to, you know, boycott

39:00

a studio over a less than modern

39:02

representation of say, for example, women. But

39:06

I will say that even

39:08

to me, I was kind of

39:11

like these

39:14

women characters were written by

39:16

men, you know?

39:19

Yikes. Like the level of I

39:22

get it. He's a he's a

39:24

studly guy, you know, the protagonist

39:26

character that I get to, you

39:28

know, player insert myself into the

39:30

role playing game, you know, role.

39:34

You know, I get it. But the

39:36

level of fawning here is wow.

39:41

And to be clear, it really isn't

39:44

that different from the kind of media

39:46

that, you know, the other side will

39:48

consume. Right. Like

39:50

the whole point of Twilight is

39:53

that kind of an ordinary young

39:55

lady has these supernatural

39:58

beings vying for her. You

40:00

know, right? Like we get the

40:02

same level of ridiculousness both ways, but

40:05

it just felt a little much

40:07

for me in this particular,

40:09

in this particular game. And they

40:11

have a philosophy for boss fights that I think

40:13

is both really cool and also kind of, um,

40:16

kind of frustrating. So

40:19

in a boss encounter, you kind

40:21

of have to figure it out. You can't

40:23

just go in and hit with your hardest attacks

40:26

and, uh, and watch the attack pattern.

40:28

You really do need to change up your party

40:30

a lot. Like

40:32

it, it's one of those games where you've

40:34

got a big roster and you will use

40:37

almost all of them in every boss fight or

40:39

you're, you're, you're pretty much doing it wrong. Um,

40:42

but what I found really

40:44

frustrating was that you

40:48

often wouldn't have time to figure it out. It's

40:50

one of those games where the only way to

40:52

figure it out on a first play through is

40:54

to read the strategy guide ahead of time. And

40:57

some of the, some of the things you would

41:00

need to do would involve not just making sure

41:02

you have the right characters in your roster, but

41:05

making sure that not only have you leveled

41:07

them up suitably, like that specific one, but

41:09

you've got like that specific branch of the

41:11

tech tree to its credit. You can respect

41:14

your tech tree anytime you want, but there

41:16

is a lot of micromanaging and not

41:19

just tedious, but like, and the creative thinking

41:21

is kind of cool, but the

41:24

way that, um, the way that so

41:26

many of the bosses can just one

41:28

or two hit wipe you or just

41:30

like, you know, three hit wombo combo,

41:32

you, no matter how many buffs you

41:34

had, um, and

41:37

how long the fights go. So I'm,

41:39

I'm, I'm, I'm no, I have no problem with it

41:41

both ways. Okay. Give me a long drawn

41:43

out, tedious boss fight. I'll fight a boss

41:45

for an hour. No problem.

41:48

Or I will fight a boss where there's like a

41:50

gimmick. And once I figure it

41:53

out, like it's over. Don't

41:56

give me both. I don't want to

41:58

gimmick that I have to grind through for an hour. Oh Like

42:01

there there were some that were that were really quite

42:03

like that and part of part of my problem is

42:05

there's a part where Your party gets split up and

42:08

there were two that you're like supposed to find first But

42:10

for whatever reason I didn't I found a bunch of the

42:13

other ones first so they were way under leveled and then

42:15

I came up against a part in the game where there's

42:17

a couple of boss fights that I really need them leveled

42:19

up and teched up morph and It

42:22

was really tedious to grind those levels because of

42:24

the way the exp curve Works for what you're

42:26

fighting and how much exp you get anyway I

42:30

made it I made it to the final

42:32

of the like three or four stages or

42:34

whatever it is of the final boss I

42:37

Died at that point I had already been fighting

42:39

him for like an hour and a half or

42:41

something like that And I was just sitting here

42:43

going like I get it I

42:45

don't need to play the game again, but I

42:47

also would recommend it if

42:50

you do enjoy classic RPGs I

42:52

felt the game needed a little bit more play testing.

42:55

I think that part of it was just a philosophical

42:57

difference It's intended to be hard. Do

42:59

you think it it might this new

43:01

version that came out might have addressed

43:03

that it does It has like like

43:05

a normal which means normie

43:09

difficulty mode So I

43:11

think it's coming out for switch and then there

43:13

was a steam DB entry for it a while

43:15

back But I actually don't know if they've made

43:17

any announcements about it formally, so

43:20

I don't know if it's actually coming to

43:22

PC or not. I I Forget

43:26

what the question was I'm assuming I'm

43:29

trying to look at the like YouTube announcement trailer.

43:31

I'm assuming at the end it'll it'll show The

43:34

things it's launching on are you gonna replay

43:36

the game on different platforms? No Yeah,

43:39

that like my saves on Apple arcade. I guess so

43:41

if I wanted to new game plus it I have

43:43

no idea if I can export that I doubt it

43:46

got another one for you here Linus my steam deck

43:48

doesn't work Hey, you got mine There

43:51

we go there aimed at oh look at that Switch

43:55

ps5 ps4 Xbox series X and S

43:57

and steam kind of crazy

44:00

that they're doing this through Square Enix. I

44:02

think Square Enix is helping with the porting. Don't quote me

44:04

on that. But my understanding was

44:07

at some point there had been some

44:09

kind of falling out at some point. So

44:12

yeah, it's pretty wild. Life's too short

44:15

for grudges, man. Yeah. Yeah.

44:18

Yeah. There's a quote from Fallout New Vegas that I've always

44:20

really liked. Oh,

44:23

oh, oh, oh, I can't switch it back.

44:26

There we go. That's okay, we share. We share.

44:31

Here you go. All

44:34

right, where is it? No,

44:37

no, no, no, no, no. I didn't want it on my screen. Lastly,

44:40

waging war against good people is bad for the

44:42

soul. This may not seem important to you now,

44:44

but it's the most important thing I've said. It's

44:46

a good quote. Yeah, yeah. Good quote. Yeah, I

44:48

like that. Yeah. I like that.

44:50

I should have my extended family play,

44:52

what was it? Fallout New Vegas. Fallout

44:54

New Vegas, yeah. That would

44:57

probably be kind of interesting. Let me

44:59

get on that. Yeah. Oh

45:03

boy. Are we doing

45:05

another merch message? I got another merch message. Sure. Yeah,

45:07

we'll do one. Hello guys, AnnoDev here.

45:10

Oh. Hard at work making

45:12

the next game look good. Nice. Have

45:14

you played the other titles before 1800? What

45:17

was your favorite setting? Excited to get my

45:19

hands on the screwdriver. So.

45:23

Uh oh. Do you remember, you

45:26

watched the Ludwig Bro versus Bro, right? Actually,

45:29

I don't know if this made it into the cut for Bro versus

45:31

Bro, but. I didn't hear anything about Anno in it. No,

45:33

no, not Anno related. It did make

45:36

it into the episode of The Yard that

45:38

I was on. Wait, hold on,

45:40

sorry. Of course the AnnoDev is watching now. That

45:43

makes sense. Nice.

45:46

Okay, sorry, keep going. So

45:48

I think it made it into The Yard, where I basically

45:50

told him, look, I will play you any Halo

45:54

game, as long as it's

45:56

Halo Combat Evolved or Halo Infinite. He's

45:58

like. Why those

46:00

two? I was busy as well. And

46:02

I was like, because I was busy for

46:04

a long time in between. Multiple kids in

46:07

a company, things happen. I just had a

46:09

lot, you know, and I was in a

46:11

very whirlwind relationship even

46:15

before that, like, you know, I was pretty

46:17

into Yvonne when I met her. I

46:19

thought she was pretty darn cool. So

46:22

I spent a ton of- You seem pretty into her now. I'm

46:24

pretty into her. Yeah. Yep.

46:28

Yeah. She's great, you know? So

46:30

I just, I had a lot going

46:33

on in between Halo Combat Evolved and

46:35

Halo Infinite. And, um, Anno.

46:39

Same story. I have played 1602 AD, which was

46:41

the, the

46:44

like Western I, or well,

46:47

further Westernized name, the

46:50

North Americanized name of

46:52

Anno 1602. And

46:54

then I have played Anno 1800. And

46:57

that's it. I briefly

46:59

pirated the like futuristic one and I

47:01

only played it for, I

47:03

just didn't really understand how

47:08

not obvious the grid was, like

47:10

the building grid compared to 1602. And

47:13

I didn't have a lot of time in those days

47:16

that I wasn't busy playing Left 4 Dead 2 with

47:18

my wife. And

47:20

so I just, I kind of

47:22

dropped it immediately. But I really

47:24

enjoyed both of them. And I

47:26

really enjoyed the, the differentness of

47:29

both of them. 1602 had land

47:31

battles. I don't know if you know that.

47:33

I did not. They were kind of bad.

47:35

Interesting. And, and. Having

47:38

played 1800, I don't even know that

47:40

I would necessarily want that. They weren't that

47:42

practical because like, men taking,

47:45

taking territory by land was

47:47

so expensive. Oh,

47:50

I'm sure. Because you could build instantly. And

47:53

there was no penalty for building

47:56

like next to an incoming army. So

47:59

you could just hoard. a little bit of brick and

48:01

cannon and then when they make landfall,

48:03

Just build towers. Yeah.

48:06

And just annihilate

48:08

whatever's there. And then cannons, like siege

48:10

cannons, were ridiculous. Like you would want

48:12

to have like a handful of cavalry,

48:14

but then you would just have, you

48:16

would just like roll your cannons slowly

48:19

across, assuming that they

48:21

can't tower you. And then they would like

48:23

one hit anything. Like it was, it was,

48:26

it was pretty broken. It was, it was

48:28

an RTS made by people who have read

48:30

about an RTS in a magazine once. Like

48:32

it would, no offense. 1800

48:35

is fantastic. We both really like it. But it was

48:37

cool. It was cool and it was different. And then

48:40

Anno 1800 didn't have that at all. And

48:43

that was super cool. And that was

48:45

super different. And I love both of

48:47

them in their own ways. I absolutely

48:49

love them. I forget what the question

48:51

was. Have you played a previous Anno?

48:53

The only previous Anno that I had

48:55

played was Anno 2070. Okay.

48:58

And I did not enjoy. Part of

49:01

Anno though, is having someone to kind

49:03

of hold your hand. I think so.

49:05

Through the like figuring out the economy

49:07

and figuring out trading. I

49:09

played 2070 and I was like, this

49:11

is a weird game and I don't like it. And

49:13

I'm never going to go back to Anno again. And

49:16

then Linus was like, play 1800 with me or

49:18

something. And then I tried it and I

49:20

was like, this game's actually really sick. And now

49:23

I even play it single player every once

49:25

in a blue moon. Yeah. It's so good.

49:27

And man, the soundtrack for 1602 absolutely slaps.

49:31

Yeah. It's so good. I'm genuinely

49:34

very excited for 117. The theme

49:36

fantastic. Having

49:40

played 1800, the theme of Rome, I think is

49:42

going to be amazing. I'm

49:45

very excited. And having like actually given

49:47

1800 a proper shot, because

49:50

I bet you when I played 2070, I didn't

49:52

really play for very long. Yeah. I probably got it

49:54

on like a humble bundle or something. Exactly. And was

49:57

like trying it out and didn't really

49:59

give it a... a fair shake because

50:01

I actually went back

50:03

to it recently. Really?

50:07

Yeah. Just to give it a shot again or what? Just because

50:09

I was wondering, it's

50:11

funny that this question came up, because I was

50:13

wondering what my more recent thoughts would be about

50:15

this game if I gave it an actual fair

50:17

shake. And I went back to it, and it's

50:19

so old at this point that it

50:22

was a little rough. It's from 2011. The

50:24

quality of life has improved a fair

50:26

bit in 13 years. But

50:28

I bet you, if I gave it enough

50:30

time, I probably would have enjoyed that game.

50:33

But the concept of how it works

50:36

was similar enough to 1800, that

50:38

I was like, 1800 is just a

50:41

better game. I might as well go

50:43

play that, because it's not from 2011. Like

50:45

it's not really a dig on 2070. It's

50:48

just, I didn't feel a need to play that

50:50

game. It had no nostalgia factor for me. But

50:52

I was like, okay, this was a good game.

50:54

I just didn't give it enough of a chance.

50:59

Oh, more topics. Sure, we can

51:01

do more topics, Dan. Nvidia becomes the most valuable company

51:03

for a few days, immediately

51:06

tries to strong arm their enterprise

51:08

customers. Totally sounds right. On

51:11

Tuesday, Nvidia became the world's most valuable company,

51:13

surpassing Microsoft and market cap as

51:16

it passed Apple a week before. Oh, man, Riley

51:18

puts in a little note here. Wow,

51:22

I guess gamers must really be picking up a lot of GPUs.

51:25

Sorry. Yeah, not even a little. Perhaps

51:28

in hopes that what goes up could just keep going

51:30

up, Nvidia is reportedly trying

51:32

to pressure partners like

51:34

Dell, HP Enterprise, and Super Micro into

51:37

buying complete server rack designs from Nvidia, starting

51:40

with the GB200. This

51:43

would deprive these companies of the margin they

51:45

usually make from designing their own racks. We've

51:47

heard that story before. And that

51:49

is why I don't actually know this

51:51

story. Is why

51:55

I don't actually know this, but what

51:57

I do know is Nvidia's manner

51:59

of behavior. and that

52:01

is why EVGA is no longer in

52:03

the GPU business because Nvidia slowly,

52:07

carefully, generation by generation

52:10

extracts more and more of the total

52:12

value of every dollar coming in to

52:14

anything that has anything to do with

52:16

one of their solutions until

52:18

there is absolutely nothing left for

52:21

their so-called partners. And

52:24

I've told them this to their faces

52:26

and they even have sponsored us recently.

52:28

I've told them they are the cheapest

52:30

f****** p****** that

52:32

I have ever worked with. Yeah.

52:37

Cause they've been very

52:40

rich for a very long time. It's just

52:42

reached a whole new level lately. But

52:44

they, the, I don't

52:46

know how difficult,

52:51

how difficult they can be

52:53

sometimes in what I would

52:55

consider to be, partnership,

53:02

in a partnership relationship. It

53:05

can be very challenging. And don't

53:08

imagine for a second that they're

53:10

the only ones. I think I

53:12

just rag on them a lot

53:14

because the disparity between how well

53:17

they do and how hard it is to sort

53:20

of... It

53:25

seems like the better they do, the more

53:27

they want to be difficult to work with. And

53:30

I don't think, I don't think it,

53:32

and I don't think all of it, I

53:34

don't think it's wanting to be difficult to work with. I

53:36

think it's just thinking,

53:39

and in many cases rightly, that

53:41

if you want to play with our ball, you're going to have

53:43

to play with our rules. I

53:46

get it. It's not like it's

53:48

not an attitude that people can kind of

53:50

understand. It's like, so I'm

53:52

sorry, you want to build Nvidia GPUs?

53:55

Well, like we have all the Nvidia

53:57

GPUs, and if you don't like the

53:59

way they... this

58:00

product and as it turns

58:02

out they managed to get AMD to play ball

58:04

or at least one of AMD's partners to just

58:06

you know Yolo it and do it but Nvidia's

58:09

partners don't dare step out of line and it's

58:11

one of those things where like think

58:13

about think about if you met a couple okay

58:18

you don't have to see what he does to notice

58:21

that his wife never speaks yeah you

58:24

know or like flinches at times

58:26

little things like like there's a lot of signs that

58:29

can that can tell you kind of what's going on

58:32

so the fact that none of Nvidia's

58:34

partners say anything doesn't

58:36

mean that everything's going great

58:38

yeah yeah to

58:40

be clear that's a good point to be clear

58:43

our new contact there has been great we're

58:46

back there's we're back engaged with Nvidia

58:48

right now just like every company there's

58:50

there's really good people there and there's

58:53

there's really not but it's clear scales

58:55

a lot it's clear the the relationship

58:57

Nvidia cares most about is the one

58:59

with their shareholders and you

59:01

know what to Nvidia's credit they're doing

59:04

real great by their shareholders right now

59:06

yeah they're I can't even man

59:08

that's Doc split dude at the rate it's continued

59:10

to go up I'm kind of sitting here going

59:13

are we are we gonna get above $1,000 again

59:15

like what's going on here like

59:17

I man I don't own any Nvidia but I sure

59:19

wish I did at this point good lord hopefully

59:23

not for long

59:25

yeah we'll see if they tolerate

59:28

me you know saying this about them sometimes

59:30

I wonder because I know I know Jensen

59:32

knows who I am like we've met before

59:34

and stuff like that sometimes I wonder does

59:36

he hear me talk about you know Nvidia's

59:38

tight grip on its partnerships and does

59:40

he go oh Linus is being mean to me

59:42

or does he go Linus

59:44

gets it that's how I do things

59:46

yeah I'm not sure I genuinely suspect

59:48

it's that it's

59:51

not like he shies away from being like yeah

59:55

a strong leader and you know what in

59:57

a weird way I kind of if he

59:59

does own it like that I do

1:00:02

respect that slightly more because it is

1:00:04

worse in my opinion if you like

1:00:06

no no I don't and

1:00:09

then you just do it anyways okay

1:00:11

yeah he owned it like that's still

1:00:13

bad I agree with you that hypocrisy

1:00:16

makes any crime worse yeah I'm not

1:00:18

saying it's a good thing yeah yeah

1:00:20

but I do agree with you

1:00:22

yeah hypocrisy makes any

1:00:25

transgression much much but if

1:00:27

he did watch this and was like yeah yep

1:00:29

that's how we do it that's how we

1:00:32

that's how we've crushed it since I founded

1:00:34

this company and that's how we're gonna keep

1:00:36

crushing it we are you know one of

1:00:38

the world's most valuable companies we have like

1:00:40

one product okay they don't

1:00:42

have one product but they have GPUs

1:00:44

and GPU accessories essentially right yeah that

1:00:47

melanox acquisition man looking when I saw

1:00:49

it I was like that seems pretty

1:00:51

smart you know data center you know

1:00:53

communicate I didn't know where they were

1:00:55

going with it that was so

1:00:57

much bigger than I realized yeah

1:00:59

dude dude just got that vision

1:01:01

so when

1:01:08

does Nvidia just like acquire AMD

1:01:12

there's no way antitrust wise there's no way they could

1:01:14

do it even sort of but like Nvidia

1:01:17

plus AMD I

1:01:20

feel like that's something that they super don't want

1:01:22

to do oh no I don't think

1:01:24

they want to do it they don't they don't actually

1:01:26

want to be a monopoly but I'm

1:01:28

imagining what a what a powerhouse that could be

1:01:30

not that you know what maybe the x86 license

1:01:32

just doesn't matter anymore though because that's the kind

1:01:34

of thing that you used to kind of like

1:01:36

think about five years ago it was like oh

1:01:38

yeah man like what if it

1:01:41

would be a x86 license you had an x86

1:01:43

license cuz like how many years you got you

1:01:45

think x86 has left on it did

1:01:48

you see framework I'm so excited has a

1:01:51

risk five board is it in the dock

1:01:53

I'm actually not sure we actually

1:01:55

like wanna buy one I

1:01:58

think it's more exciting to me than like a Switch

1:02:00

is. Really? It's so cool.

1:02:03

So I asked

1:02:06

Framework because I like just asking questions I know

1:02:08

I'm not going to get an answer to. I

1:02:10

asked Framework at Computex if they had

1:02:13

anything coming with the new Qualcomm chips.

1:02:15

Because on the one hand,

1:02:17

it's obviously a turning point for the

1:02:19

PC industry. We're turning in

1:02:21

some direction here. And I

1:02:23

was. And actually, I continue to be pretty jazzed about

1:02:25

it. There's going to

1:02:28

be some early growing pains for sure,

1:02:30

but I'm legitimately excited

1:02:32

about Windows on ARM. So

1:02:34

I asked them. I was like, hey, are you

1:02:36

guys going to have Qualcomm Snapdragon X chips? And

1:02:40

they were like, minus you

1:02:42

know I can't answer that. And I was like, all

1:02:44

right. But

1:02:46

what they especially didn't answer was

1:02:49

that they were just like leapfrogging,

1:02:53

going like, oh man, ARM,

1:02:56

old news. We're going to have our

1:02:58

RISC-V board. So sick.

1:03:00

We have a topic in the dock

1:03:02

for this. Framework RISC-V board. Let's just

1:03:04

do it now then. And another RISC-V

1:03:06

laptop too. A company called Deep Computing

1:03:08

is creating a Framework laptop 13

1:03:10

main board powered by a star 5 JH7110

1:03:13

RISC-V processor. It's

1:03:18

a developer focused product aimed at

1:03:20

making tinkering with RISC-V more accessible.

1:03:22

Still, it's one of the first

1:03:25

instances of a consumer focused product

1:03:27

built with the RISC-V, which is

1:03:29

why I in particular am excited,

1:03:31

which FYI is a fully open

1:03:33

architecture so anyone can create their

1:03:35

own processors without paying a fee.

1:03:37

So cool. So cool. But

1:03:40

look, there's another one

1:03:42

too. The SciSpeed LM4A

1:03:44

compute module is a

1:03:46

small board with a

1:03:49

T-head TH1520 RISC-V processor.

1:03:52

I still like it better than Qualcomm's naming scheme. These

1:03:55

are both somehow better. T-head

1:03:58

is rough. What are you, British? Oh

1:04:05

no. Oh man. Anyways,

1:04:09

you can get that that T-head processor

1:04:12

in there, spiffing Brit

1:04:14

in a computer, that

1:04:16

can be used to power various

1:04:18

PC form factors like the Lychee

1:04:20

Book 4a. The

1:04:23

discussion question is, I lack any

1:04:25

context necessary to understand the capabilities

1:04:27

of these processors, but I'm sure

1:04:29

they're pretty neat. It's

1:04:31

very cool that they're showing up in

1:04:34

consumer products. That is really cool. And

1:04:36

I'm way more excited about them now

1:04:38

that I've seen the accelerated trajectory

1:04:42

of emulation. So

1:04:45

yeah, obviously, RISC-V is

1:04:47

not as simple as just taking

1:04:49

your x86 code or your ARM

1:04:52

code and just plopping it on

1:04:54

there. Especially things as complex as

1:04:56

operating systems and games. It's

1:05:00

going to be slow. But

1:05:03

if we look at the

1:05:05

accelerating rate of change, so

1:05:10

the like accelerating acceleration or whatever, whatever the

1:05:12

point is that... No, no, that makes accelerating

1:05:14

rate of change. Yeah. No, I know it

1:05:16

makes sense, but it's just like... Yeah, yeah,

1:05:19

yeah. If we look at the accelerating

1:05:22

rate of change in development

1:05:24

of emulation and in the

1:05:28

portability of software, and by portability,

1:05:30

I mean from platform to platform,

1:05:33

that really... We

1:05:38

have the iPhone to thank for. Think

1:05:43

about it. Yeah, I think I see it. It's

1:05:47

weird. It's a weird thing to

1:05:49

think about. But if it wasn't

1:05:51

for the iPhone, would

1:05:53

we have ever gotten a

1:05:55

big enough platform that

1:05:58

real developers... like

1:06:00

big developers would

1:06:02

have made TeamViewer and

1:06:05

Adobe, Adobe Creative Apps

1:06:08

and, and, and all these things. Even, even like

1:06:10

being, I mean, you can SSH

1:06:12

into service from your phone. Would there have, I

1:06:14

mean, you could do that. You could do that

1:06:16

on, you know, a blackberry or whatever, but

1:06:19

the difference, but the difference is

1:06:21

that what Apple built was momentum. They

1:06:24

built an install base that

1:06:29

led to very significant development

1:06:31

being done for ARM, that

1:06:35

led to very significant work

1:06:37

being done on porting applications

1:06:40

from x86 to ARM. So

1:06:43

obviously this is not a solo effort thing, but if

1:06:45

we were going to look at sort of a, if

1:06:47

we were trying to find a turning point, you know,

1:06:49

back to, back to turning points again, man,

1:06:52

the iPhone was such a moment. Frickin'

1:06:58

incredible. And so, and so

1:07:00

looking at how long that transition took until

1:07:02

we went, oh yeah, these, these ARM chips

1:07:04

are great. Why don't we just, you know,

1:07:06

put them in a laptop and

1:07:08

looking at, you know, how far away we are probably from

1:07:10

someone being like, oh, well, if it's great in a laptop,

1:07:12

why don't we just throw it in a small form factor

1:07:15

desktop? And then I think you can kind of see where

1:07:17

we're going from there, right? Looking

1:07:19

at how long that took and then looking

1:07:21

at the momentum risk five has right now,

1:07:23

you know, we got a game running on

1:07:25

like a random risk five motherboard with like

1:07:27

an AMD GPU and it running Linux, right?

1:07:29

I did not know that. Tanner got like

1:07:31

trucker simulator running or something like that. That's

1:07:33

so sick. And it looked

1:07:35

like, but it

1:07:37

was terrible. It's so cool. But

1:07:40

the fact that it ran, yeah,

1:07:44

this is, this, it's happening right now, man. It's,

1:07:47

it's, it's exciting. And I

1:07:49

think it's super cool that framework investment disclosure,

1:07:51

not that I haven't talked about it plenty

1:07:53

on the show so far today. I think

1:07:55

it's super cool that framework is ending up,

1:07:58

you know, in, We

1:10:00

know the major board guys. It

1:10:03

should be fine. That'd

1:10:05

be so cool. That'd be pretty sick. Nokey

1:10:08

says, I mean, it is possible. Yeah, exactly. Most

1:10:10

of the board is just a bunch of power

1:10:12

regulators and mini caps and resistors and stuff. We

1:10:15

know it's possible. Yeah, 100% possible. It's

1:10:18

just not

1:10:21

exactly within our capabilities, I'm assuming

1:10:23

at least. Who knows these days?

1:10:25

It's not. Yeah. We

1:10:30

got some fancy people here, though. Oh,

1:10:32

Kingpin's apparently at PNY now? Yeah. Oh,

1:10:35

wow. OK. Speaking of people who

1:10:37

know a lot about board design. Cool.

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It's like I just have something neat, I want people to be able

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to see it, you could just have a little area. And

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they had tons of stuff in there that was super interesting,

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that I didn't really get to see, but I heard through

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the grapevine there were super interesting things. Like

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one was a shrimp that fries rice. So

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it used like a camera

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to track the shrimp. Like an actual

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shrimp. Around a fake submerged little kitchen,

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and then it would like, I

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think recreate the movement in like a walk

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thingy that's frying the rice. Like just

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hilarious maker stuff.

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Yeah, I don't know. Really cool event,

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tons of really cool things to see.

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If you follow maker creators or

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tech creators or whatever on YouTube, a lot

1:20:49

of their stuff was there. People

1:20:51

would bring like these cool projects that they spent

1:20:53

like months making and they would just bring it

1:20:55

and you can touch it and

1:20:57

use it. In some cases like ride around on

1:21:00

it, because there was like ride-ables that people had

1:21:02

just made. So cool. Super, super cool. Really, really

1:21:04

cool event. So I don't know. If you're interested,

1:21:06

go next year. It's fantastic. Hopefully I'll be there.

1:21:08

And I'm trying to convince some more people on

1:21:10

the team to come down. So yeah.

1:21:13

I'm taking vacation next year. Nice.

1:21:16

I'm definitely going. It was really, you would really like

1:21:18

it. I've been following

1:21:20

basically everyone there for forever. They're

1:21:22

amazing. It was great. Next

1:21:25

up, this is a question I've been

1:21:27

getting a lot actually. Do you plan

1:21:30

bringing back the older water bottle colors,

1:21:32

which previously existed? I

1:21:35

have no idea. I'm going

1:21:37

to be honest with you. I don't really know

1:21:39

why we don't have any water bottles in stock.

1:21:41

I think it was a whole, like

1:21:43

we were trying to, we were trying to

1:21:46

get our stocking strategy sort of figured out

1:21:48

and then we like didn't place orders for

1:21:50

a bit and then maybe fulfillment was slow.

1:21:52

I actually have no idea what's going on

1:21:54

with water bottles. You might have to forward

1:21:56

that one. I'm sorry. Some. How

1:26:02

sturdy is the top? Oh guys, it's

1:26:05

like collapsible. Like a cat is not

1:26:07

sitting on the top. It's for going

1:26:09

inside. They'd probably enjoy jumping on it

1:26:11

and getting enveloped. Maybe not. Maybe not

1:26:13

the first time. Yeah, definitely not the

1:26:15

first time. Anyway,

1:26:17

it's $49.99. Hey,

1:26:19

my birds could stand on it and it wouldn't collapse. And

1:26:22

I guess I covered all the other talking points on

1:26:24

my own. Get your pet off

1:26:26

your PC, set up and into their own. It's

1:26:28

apparently our tagline for this thing.

1:26:31

Let's go ahead and... AHHHHH! How cute

1:26:33

is that picture? That is ridiculously cute. AHHH!

1:26:36

I love it! There

1:26:40

you go. So I'll go through the product pictures. Retro monitor pet cave.

1:26:44

AHHH! RRRR! RRRR! RRRR! Our pictures are getting a

1:26:46

lot better. Yes. That's nice.

1:26:48

Great job. Great job team. AHHH!

1:26:51

Get in there! So

1:26:54

cute! Oh,

1:26:56

look at that. We got all the... Man,

1:27:00

our photo game is getting so

1:27:02

much better, dude. Yeah. So

1:27:04

much better. Why aren't there more cute

1:27:06

cat pictures, though? AHHH!

1:27:09

It didn't work! Okay,

1:27:14

sorry, sorry, sorry. I think there's... Oh,

1:27:16

oh, oh, interesting. There's also more news. Yeah,

1:27:18

this is not LTT store related, but we

1:27:20

are doing a garage sale. For

1:27:22

the first time in... Nine years? Eight

1:27:25

years? Can I go buy stuff? I

1:27:28

don't see why not. July

1:27:30

6th, from 10am to 2pm

1:27:32

at the LTT Labs building.

1:27:36

We have 400 plus items.

1:27:38

We have keyboards, mice, headset, speakers, computer

1:27:40

components. lttstore.com items will not be

1:27:42

available for purchase. We

1:27:46

do not have inventory of that here. This

1:27:49

is just a garage sale of just random stuff we need

1:27:51

to get rid of. You

1:27:54

must park on the street somewhere, or

1:27:56

Uber, or something. We

1:27:58

don't have parking for you. So you'll have

1:28:01

to go on Google Maps and the parking

1:28:03

on the street is rough. It's terrible be

1:28:05

prepared to walk be prepared to hike yes

1:28:07

And it is credit debit

1:28:09

only we are not going to be

1:28:12

taking cash so there you go guys

1:28:14

garage sale It's coming July 6th Yeah,

1:28:19

I guess I guess staff can buy stuff

1:28:21

It's it's probably gonna be like reverse auction

1:28:23

style kind of like we did it last

1:28:25

time So you know

1:28:27

how an auction you start low and just go up high so

1:28:30

this in this case I think we'll probably start

1:28:32

with I'll probably I'm probably gonna be like running

1:28:34

a lot of it And I'll just be like

1:28:37

I don't know I think this is worth 20 bucks. Oh,

1:28:39

I can also just know do that if you want Who

1:28:44

wants it? What would be kind of funny? I

1:28:48

can't I could help you run that and then if

1:28:50

prices of certain things get low enough. I'll just be

1:28:52

like well I'll take

1:28:54

it Just

1:28:57

leave your credit card with you fine.

1:28:59

Yeah, just swipe it putting this one

1:29:01

in the back People

1:29:07

are asking is it worth flying here I Know

1:29:10

I mean no the

1:29:12

amount you're gonna spend on the plane ticket. Yeah

1:29:14

is gonna make the discount on the items Yeah,

1:29:16

just buy yourself a stick of RAM. Yeah, like

1:29:19

you're good. You're good. You're good, buddy That's

1:29:22

not how you bargain shop Let

1:29:26

me fly somewhere and get a hotel and rent a car Okay,

1:29:31

I mean you know people like do

1:29:34

travel for shopping sometimes yeah, but not for

1:29:36

like That I'm

1:29:38

just saying I'm just saying it's totally a thing I

1:29:41

Don't know I get a kick out of it when people

1:29:43

are buying like commodity stuff. They're like oh, yeah, I'm buying

1:29:46

jewelry. I'm like The

1:29:48

price of gold is the same everywhere in the

1:29:51

world. What do you

1:29:53

what are you talking about? Yeah,

1:29:55

anywho yeah, I got a couple

1:29:57

more for you here unless you want to save them for

1:29:59

later up to you. Yeah, let's save

1:30:01

them for later. I think we might sell

1:30:04

a few retro monitor pet caves now. Yeah,

1:30:07

yeah, they were not registering on the most popular

1:30:09

item list and now they are number three, soon

1:30:11

to be number two with the way that things

1:30:13

are going. So let's go

1:30:16

retro monitor pet cave. Let's

1:30:18

go. All right,

1:30:20

topic, what do you want to do?

1:30:22

I think our last title topic, main

1:30:25

topic, call out topic, whatever. Softbank, developing

1:30:27

real-time emotion canceling tech. Okay, this is

1:30:29

the smartest use of AI that I

1:30:32

have seen yet. Yeah,

1:30:34

I think people are going to work around it,

1:30:36

but yeah, actually. How will they work around it?

1:30:40

I'll get to that. All right, fine.

1:30:42

Japanese, well, only sort of working around

1:30:44

it. Japanese tech giant Softbank has announced

1:30:47

it is working on emotion canceling AI

1:30:49

technology that alters the tone and pitch

1:30:51

of angry customers in real time, making

1:30:54

them sound calmer when

1:30:56

they call customer service representatives.

1:30:58

The project is designed to

1:31:00

protect workers from customer harassment,

1:31:02

a pressing issue in many

1:31:04

places, but one that's referred

1:31:06

to specifically in Japan as

1:31:08

Kasuhara, which just

1:31:11

sounds like customer harassment, but not

1:31:13

English. But it doesn't

1:31:15

change the words being spoken. And for

1:31:17

service reps being told to deescalate angry

1:31:20

customers, not getting the full context of

1:31:22

what's being said might make that job

1:31:24

harder. One Redditor argues this

1:31:26

is treating a symptom rather than a

1:31:29

cause, likening it to Foxconn factory, to

1:31:31

a Foxconn factory in China, responding to

1:31:33

distraught workers throwing themselves out of windows

1:31:35

by surrounding the building with nets back

1:31:37

in 2017. I

1:31:40

don't think it's that. I think that's a

1:31:42

pretty drastic comparison. Yeah, I don't agree with that

1:31:44

comparison at all. I think that some people

1:31:46

are just jerks. And

1:31:51

if you could just

1:31:53

make a customer service agent's day a little

1:31:56

bit less unpleasant. That sounds great. I don't think you're

1:31:58

going to be missing. I don't

1:32:00

think you're gonna be missing any context

1:32:02

you would need. Oh no. I'm worried.

1:32:04

The only thing I'm worried about is

1:32:07

that if this, if the

1:32:09

knowledge of this thing existing becomes widespread, people

1:32:11

are going to become more colorful with their

1:32:13

language to compensate. I

1:32:15

doubt it. I think especially when people

1:32:18

are angry, they're gonna talk in,

1:32:20

if anything, a more

1:32:22

natural way. They start getting into

1:32:24

like almost autopilot-y rage mode. Yeah.

1:32:27

No, I actually strongly disagree. I

1:32:29

think that this is a win.

1:32:32

I think that... Oh no, I think it's a good thing. I'm

1:32:34

just worried people are gonna try to work around it

1:32:37

and use worse language, but

1:32:39

overall I think it's a good thing. Yeah, I

1:32:41

don't think people, I don't think the average person

1:32:43

calling a customer support line and yelling at someone

1:32:46

is gonna be that smart. Like coherent enough to

1:32:48

do that? I have this

1:32:50

theory that a lot of anger is

1:32:53

actually not anger. It's just

1:32:55

misunderstanding. I think that if

1:32:58

we understood a situation, there are

1:33:00

many times when it wouldn't be

1:33:03

as necessary to be angry about it.

1:33:05

Think about the average customer support ticket,

1:33:08

though, Luke. I'm not talking about being

1:33:10

angry about inequality in the world. In

1:33:14

the realm of customer support? Yes.

1:33:17

I mean just the kind of like...

1:33:19

The stuff I've had to see Joe deal with? Exactly.

1:33:25

Exactly, right? To be

1:33:27

clear, the vast majority of tickets he deals with

1:33:29

are fine. Of course. It's just every once in

1:33:31

a while stuff that's just like, what is going

1:33:34

on? So if we think about, when I talk

1:33:36

about anger, I don't mean like

1:33:38

a deeply held

1:33:40

belief in fairness

1:33:42

that the world is not

1:33:45

living up to. That's not

1:33:47

what I'm talking about. I'm talking

1:33:49

about like, you know, just... My

1:33:55

phone's... Glass

1:33:58

is broken! Maybe

1:34:01

if I didn't do that to it, you know, my

1:34:03

glass might not be broken, right? He actually hugged it

1:34:05

at the ground. Phonies.

1:34:10

That was real. Like

1:34:12

I'm talking about that kind of just like

1:34:17

irrational anger, right?

1:34:19

Where realistically if you stopped and

1:34:21

slowed down and thought okay, what

1:34:24

is the cause of this situation

1:34:26

I'm finding myself in? It

1:34:28

might be that I'm not careful. It

1:34:30

might be that I need to do a little bit

1:34:32

of introspection. Or I also think a

1:34:34

lot of the time that if you're

1:34:36

calling in and raging at customer support, which

1:34:38

is not okay for a variety of reasons,

1:34:42

I'm sort of almost hoping that a lot

1:34:44

of the rest of your day was like

1:34:46

really bad and it's just being... Yeah.

1:34:49

This is like a venting situation, which

1:34:51

is not how you should do that,

1:34:53

but like... Yeah,

1:34:55

so anyway, I think... Tantrums, yeah exactly. I think

1:34:57

a lot of anger is just being kind

1:35:04

of dumb. Or

1:35:07

like emotionally... What about when you're yelling

1:35:09

at the YouTube people on the phone

1:35:12

then? Which YouTube people? Haven't you done

1:35:14

that before? Yell at them? Yeah,

1:35:16

or write angry emails, I guess. I

1:35:19

mean, I've certainly written irate

1:35:21

emails. But

1:35:24

a lot of the time the thing

1:35:26

that I am frustrated by is pretty

1:35:29

justifiable. Okay.

1:35:33

So when you write irate emails, it's

1:35:36

not dumb? Oh,

1:35:38

absolutely. I never said

1:35:40

I'm not dumb sometimes. I

1:35:43

wear that on my sleeve. I'm not perfect.

1:35:46

Yeah, yeah. I'm not perfect. But

1:35:49

I think there's a big difference

1:35:51

between the kind of temper tantrums

1:35:53

that this is designed to mitigate

1:35:55

versus writing an email. So

1:35:59

I... And so I don't think it changes

1:36:01

the point that like that's sort of just, you

1:36:03

know, not understanding because a lot of

1:36:06

the time what people are mad about is they

1:36:08

like, they don't understand that paying

1:36:10

for express shipping doesn't mean that

1:36:12

someone was standing there, like looking

1:36:16

at the, at the incoming orders and let me

1:36:18

like, okay, there it is. And like, Three

1:36:20

in the morning, Throwing it in a box at three in the morning on

1:36:22

a Saturday, right? It just means that

1:36:24

once we hand it to the shipper, it

1:36:27

will go that leg of the

1:36:29

journey faster, right? We would run into

1:36:31

that at NCIX all the time. People would be like

1:36:34

express shipping says two to four days.

1:36:36

It's been five days. I'm like, you

1:36:38

place it, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir.

1:36:42

You place it at 11 59 on Friday. Okay.

1:36:45

We, sir, sir, sir. We don't work.

1:36:48

We can, sir, sir, sir. I'm

1:36:50

going to have to ask it, sir. Please

1:36:53

calm down. Right. And

1:36:55

here's the question. Yeah. Is it going

1:36:57

to take time or do you think it's going to detect? Oh,

1:37:00

I think it would almost certainly detect. Because

1:37:02

I think if it ran all the time, that would kind

1:37:04

of suck. Because if you're just listening

1:37:06

to like monotone robot voice, no, I think it would really

1:37:09

all day. If, if it works well,

1:37:11

it would detect when it's acting and kick in.

1:37:13

Yeah. And people are saying like people will change

1:37:15

their, their language to be more colorful, to make

1:37:17

their point. I think there's no reason it couldn't

1:37:19

detect that too. Oh, sure. Yeah.

1:37:23

Oh, it could bleep though. It could bleep swear words. Sure.

1:37:27

I mean, I think this will, this will create like

1:37:29

almost more fun water cooler talk. I think it would

1:37:31

be pretty entertaining to be the team in charge of

1:37:34

creating the list of words and phrases that are going

1:37:36

to be bleep. It's

1:37:38

like, man, I'm

1:37:40

so, so. Wow. That's really

1:37:42

interesting. We're allowed to discuss this right now. I

1:37:47

just, I love the water cooler talk idea

1:37:49

of just like, man, I had the craziest

1:37:51

emotion canceled today. The guy was

1:37:53

going off. Oh,

1:37:57

I love that. Pretty sure that. There's

1:38:00

already a good dictionary for that says Omega

1:38:02

total. Yeah, urban dictionary.com. Everyone

1:38:05

knows urban dictionary.com. Man,

1:38:08

man, I had a Zoomer say

1:38:10

sweet to me the other day. Is

1:38:14

that coming back? I don't think so. I

1:38:16

think it's just like second or third language. I would

1:38:18

like that. You probably learned to speak English from Millennials.

1:38:20

Why 2k fashion is coming back? But it just like

1:38:22

it blew my mind because I was like I'll pick

1:38:24

you up in front of the building and they were

1:38:26

like sweet. Sweet. Aren't

1:38:29

you like 10 12 years younger than

1:38:31

me? Sorry,

1:38:34

have you seen that y2k fashion?

1:38:36

Yeah, so there's this like fashion

1:38:38

again Passion

1:38:41

from the year 2000. Oh when

1:38:44

you say y2k, I assume you mean like the

1:38:46

y2k bug. Okay, that makes sense. But

1:38:50

nobody refers to the year 2000 as y2k. That's

1:38:56

fair. Come on. Two

1:38:59

thousands fashion then. Okay. There's this like I

1:39:01

don't know what it was on because Emma

1:39:04

showed me. I know low-rise jeans are back.

1:39:06

Probably Instagram or something. But

1:39:08

there's this there's this girl talking

1:39:10

to her mom about modern fashion

1:39:12

trends and she mentions y2k fashion

1:39:14

and her mom's like wait, what is that?

1:39:16

And she's like, oh you wouldn't know it's

1:39:18

like too new. And

1:39:23

you can tell like it definitely

1:39:25

wasn't a staged video. Because

1:39:29

because the daughter's like mildly annoyed at the

1:39:31

conversation because she's like, oh my goodness. Like

1:39:33

you wouldn't you wouldn't know. You know, it's

1:39:35

hilarious. Is fashions always been cyclical to a

1:39:37

degree? I thought it wouldn't be anymore because

1:39:39

the internet. But look but hold on but

1:39:42

hold on. Look at how the

1:39:44

cycle of everything is speeding up. The

1:39:46

new cycle is faster. The meme cycle

1:39:49

is faster. Is the fashion cycle so

1:39:51

fast now that instead

1:39:53

of coming back

1:39:55

around to you know what

1:39:58

was cool right before or after

1:40:00

your mom, you're actually coming right

1:40:02

back around to like what was cool

1:40:04

for your mom when your mom was cool at the

1:40:06

same age what? Yeah,

1:40:09

I mean it seems like it because that that seems

1:40:12

weird to me There was some stuff that

1:40:14

was pretty dumb in the early 2000 remember those jeans

1:40:16

that didn't have the seam down the middle Yeah,

1:40:18

those were horrible those were dumb. There was there

1:40:21

was some pretty dumb stuff But overall if everyone

1:40:23

just kind of dressed like the early 2000s again,

1:40:25

I'd be down me too I also heard that

1:40:27

people are partying to blink when I to music

1:40:29

and stuff Dude all of

1:40:31

I'm like super down I think I think I've

1:40:33

had this conversation with you already about

1:40:35

how like new music is really struggling

1:40:37

because of streaming and algorithms and just

1:40:39

kind of and and the the the

1:40:42

Aging libraries of established artists are

1:40:45

being sucked up by like yes

1:40:47

That's a capital raise VC capital

1:40:50

backed just like holding firms and

1:40:52

like Pretty much

1:40:54

the value of old music for the first

1:40:56

time ever is greater than the value of

1:40:58

new music like I put on I put

1:41:01

on just popular music on some random streaming

1:41:03

platform and it just plays stuff that I'm

1:41:05

like Whereas when

1:41:07

I listen to stuff that my mom and dad

1:41:09

listened to I'm like that's

1:41:12

very different Yeah, but

1:41:14

as soon as everything just went computerized well

1:41:18

Okay. Yeah, we're just playing around with new

1:41:20

ideas of what we can do with the

1:41:22

computer essentially and I know that obviously there's

1:41:24

gonna be niche genres that are Get

1:41:27

different or whatever but at the end of the day a lot

1:41:30

of the a lot of the popular music is still gonna

1:41:32

be like You've seen that bit. I

1:41:34

forget what the guys are called But they every

1:41:36

saw every popular song is like three chords or

1:41:38

whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah And

1:41:41

that's that's not gonna stop being a thing because

1:41:43

there's actual Physiological reasons for

1:41:45

it like the resonance and like

1:41:48

of those chords like feels good in your body

1:41:50

and stuff Like it's a it's a whole thing

1:41:53

So it's not going it's not going away But

1:41:55

yeah, I was at I was at a dance

1:41:57

recital for one of one of my

1:42:01

and the main act

1:42:03

from like the senior kids was

1:42:06

a dance off between M&Ms

1:42:08

and M&Ms. So

1:42:11

they played a variety

1:42:13

of like, and when

1:42:15

I say M&M music, I

1:42:17

don't mean anything he's done semi recently.

1:42:20

I mean like, hi, my name

1:42:23

is what? My name is like old,

1:42:25

like 1999, 1998, M&M music. And

1:42:31

then they had the other team

1:42:33

of dancers being

1:42:36

like, I want candy. So

1:42:39

they were M&Ms and M&Ms. And

1:42:42

they did kind of like a dance battle between them. It

1:42:44

was pretty cute. Anyway,

1:42:46

I'm kind of sitting here going, why

1:42:52

is this relevant? This

1:42:55

doesn't make any sense. It does seem kind of weird,

1:42:57

right? Like, I don't know. I

1:43:01

had a theory very temporarily that people

1:43:03

were partying to Blink 182 so that

1:43:05

the like millennials

1:43:08

next door wouldn't get mad. But

1:43:11

I don't know. I mean, I'd rock up to Blink 182. Apparently

1:43:14

simple plan like just never got uncool. Really?

1:43:16

Emily Sedin and I were bonding over like

1:43:18

loving simple plan on the way back from

1:43:21

our trip to see the steam deck. Cause

1:43:24

we, I forget why, but we ended up

1:43:26

having to drive. And we ended

1:43:28

up stuck in the car for, you know, three and

1:43:30

a half hours or something like that. I

1:43:33

don't know that they like still still are. I was

1:43:36

just trying to see if they still release music. We

1:43:38

both were like super

1:43:40

into simple plan in high school. And I'm

1:43:42

like, dude, we are not close

1:43:44

enough in age to be into the

1:43:46

same stuff in high school. She's also

1:43:48

a Gilmore girls fan, which also ended

1:43:50

way before. But simple plan didn't

1:43:52

end. Like she was listening to new simple plan

1:43:54

in high school. And so was I. So she didn't even

1:43:56

know a lot of their old songs. And I'm like, dude,

1:43:59

dude. And she's like, dude, this is

1:44:01

great. They have a song from eight months ago

1:44:03

that has a million views. That's

1:44:06

not like insane for music these

1:44:08

days on YouTube. Nope. But it's

1:44:10

not. It's still a million views.

1:44:12

Yep. Or a

1:44:14

band that's been going this long, that's like pretty

1:44:16

good. And they make their money touring anyway.

1:44:18

Like any small... A lot of their videos

1:44:21

are touring videos for sure. Like any small

1:44:23

band. Like I saw them live at the

1:44:25

Croatian Cultural Center. Yeah. To give

1:44:27

you some idea. It

1:44:29

was awesome. Super intimate venue.

1:44:32

Nowhere to sit. I prefer those by a

1:44:34

lot. It was great. I saw

1:44:37

them again at the Pacific Coliseum and it

1:44:39

was fine. Yeah, not as good. But like

1:44:41

Croatian Cultural Center, dude, it

1:44:43

was awesome. I actually just

1:44:45

think I might be over going to big

1:44:47

concerts. So

1:44:50

I agree, but I am

1:44:53

agreeing with you even more. Em and I went

1:44:56

to go see the Stardew Valley concert. Wait.

1:44:59

Simple Plan is opening for

1:45:01

Avril. She was in town.

1:45:05

I was like, I found out the day before

1:45:07

the show and I was like, Fond, you wanted to go? Because

1:45:09

she's got a bunch of Avril in her playlist right now. And

1:45:12

she was like, I don't know, maybe, maybe not. And

1:45:14

I was like, OK, yeah, sure. Forget it. If I

1:45:16

knew Simple Plan was there too, I think that might

1:45:19

have pushed me over the edge. Sorry,

1:45:21

go ahead. Right. Yeah. Em

1:45:24

and I went to the Stardew Valley concert

1:45:26

and it was in a very

1:45:28

surprisingly small venue. I guarantee

1:45:31

you they could have booked one significantly

1:45:33

larger and still sold out because they

1:45:35

sold out like fast, but it was great. It

1:45:38

was awesome. And a big part of the reason why it

1:45:40

was awesome was because it wasn't huge. I

1:45:42

saw the Bear Naked Ladies at a

1:45:45

WWF, not World

1:45:48

Wrestling Federation World Wildlife Fund

1:45:51

at a WWF benefit concert in like a

1:45:53

small, one of the like small Vancouver theaters.

1:45:55

Yeah. So it was like 400, 500 people

1:45:57

or something like that. mind-blowing,

1:46:00

so good. And then I saw them again at like

1:46:03

Jim Place or whatever that arena is called now. And

1:46:05

it was like, man, I can kind of make out

1:46:08

like the weird guy who ended

1:46:10

up being like coked out doing his weird like

1:46:12

kick dance or whatever. Like, I don't know, it

1:46:14

wasn't that great. And thank you Duke of Gondor.

1:46:16

I agree, my Canucks shirt is sick. My

1:46:20

sister made it for me. She had kind

1:46:22

of a thing where she

1:46:24

would go to thrift stores and buy

1:46:26

unloved things that had something wrong with

1:46:28

them. And then she would combine them

1:46:31

into something that someone would love. And

1:46:33

she actually made me a couple of, so you can

1:46:35

see it's hand

1:46:39

stitched kind of poorly because she was just

1:46:41

like, I don't know, whatever. Realistically.

1:46:43

But it looks like it was meant to

1:46:46

look that way. Yeah, realistically, any

1:46:48

amount of remaining life in this is more

1:46:51

than it had before. So she

1:46:53

actually made me a couple of these. One

1:46:55

was this because she was just like, yeah, I don't know.

1:46:57

You like the Canucks because I was pretty into the Canucks

1:47:00

back then. And it was hard to buy

1:47:02

merch with the old logo. And I liked

1:47:04

the old logo more. The old logo is sick. And.

1:47:07

The skate, very close. She did me another

1:47:09

one that was, she found

1:47:11

a marine land shirt. You

1:47:14

know that aquarium water exhibition, like

1:47:16

that park that was in Niagara

1:47:18

Falls, Ontario, or maybe is still

1:47:20

there? So she and I did

1:47:23

a cross country trip with my mom when

1:47:25

I got my driver's license. Oh,

1:47:28

you drove? Yeah, the day I

1:47:30

got my license. You went across the country.

1:47:32

Yeah. And my sister went

1:47:34

too because she got her license at the same time

1:47:36

as me actually, even though she was older. And

1:47:39

so the three of us went across the country.

1:47:43

One heck of a way to learn. Yep, one moment. No

1:47:46

worries. You

1:47:50

want me to cover something or are you good? Anyway, no, I'm

1:47:52

good. So

1:47:54

one of the places that I wanted to go

1:47:56

was marine land. And the only reason I wanted

1:47:58

to go there was like. my one request.

1:48:02

So my mom wanted to go to Halifax and

1:48:04

eat Atlantic lobster. Okay. Yeah, we're going across the

1:48:06

country, but we're not going to eat Atlantic lobster.

1:48:08

Good goal. All right. Absolutely.

1:48:11

And my thing was I wanted to go to

1:48:13

Marine Land. And the only reason that I cared

1:48:17

was that they had this super catchy jingle on

1:48:19

TV when I was a little kid. It

1:48:24

worked. The marketing was effective. Yeah. So

1:48:27

they just had this like this, this catch phrase in the jingle.

1:48:30

Everyone loves Marine Land. Oh

1:48:32

my. Yeah. I

1:48:34

remember it now. You know the one. Niagara

1:48:36

Falls on Terri O. Marine

1:48:39

Land is the place to go seeing

1:48:41

friends you miss. A great big

1:48:43

kiss. Everyone loves Marine

1:48:45

Land. Yeah. So

1:48:48

that's the only reason that I cared. That

1:48:50

was so well done. Oh

1:48:54

my goodness. So yeah, it's an ear,

1:48:56

it's an ear, what's, it's an

1:48:58

earworm for sure. So anyway,

1:49:01

we didn't get to Marine Land because my

1:49:04

birthday and the start of the school

1:49:06

year lined up in such a way

1:49:09

that our trip was pretty short. And

1:49:12

we made the difficult call to not

1:49:15

go down into Canada's

1:49:18

penis and visit

1:49:20

Niagara Falls. That's kind of true.

1:49:23

Yeah. And get America

1:49:27

anyway. I

1:49:32

mean, they definitely put more of their culture in us than we

1:49:34

do in them. Yeah.

1:49:37

Yeah. Any, any who, we

1:49:39

didn't make it. So so many years

1:49:41

later, she came across a random Marine

1:49:43

Land t-shirt and so she, she

1:49:45

cut it out for me and made

1:49:47

me a, she also made me a Marine Land shirt. And

1:49:49

the reason I don't have that one on today is

1:49:52

that I, I actually wore

1:49:54

it so much. Like it was

1:49:56

this obnoxious bright orange t-shirt with

1:49:58

like, sort of. poorly cut out

1:50:01

and that was kind of the vibe. Yeah. Like

1:50:03

it was kind of her jam, right? Was that

1:50:05

it didn't look like it was supposed to be

1:50:07

like that. But it looks like it was done

1:50:10

on purpose. Yeah. That's not like I,

1:50:12

it feels like a design. So I

1:50:14

just had this random Marie Land logo

1:50:16

on the shirt. And

1:50:19

that's the story. I forget why I'm even, oh, I

1:50:22

forget. Why am I even talking about this story? Oh

1:50:24

yeah, someone said they liked my Canucks shirt. Thank you

1:50:26

very much. So that's the memorial I'm attending today. Yeah.

1:50:30

Yeah. AMD

1:50:34

publishes bad benchmarks? Sure. AMD

1:50:37

released benchmarks for their new Zen 3 chips,

1:50:39

the 5800 XT and the 5900 XT,

1:50:42

apparently binned versions of the 5800X and

1:50:45

the 5950X, which claim that

1:50:47

gaming performance is on par or better than

1:50:49

Intel's 13th Gen i5-13600KF and the i7-13700K, respectively.

1:50:57

They achieved these misleading results

1:51:00

by pairing each CPU with

1:51:02

a three-year-old entry-level GPU, the

1:51:05

Radeon RX 6600, which effectively

1:51:07

neutralizes the performance difference of each CPU

1:51:09

by heavily GPU limiting their tests. Hardware

1:51:12

Unboxed called out the bogus benchmarks and

1:51:14

published results of their own tests using

1:51:16

both this RX 6600 and the RX

1:51:19

7900 XT, which

1:51:23

showed significant differences in the performance of

1:51:26

the various CPUs when

1:51:30

GPU limitations were less of a factor. And

1:51:34

the discussion question is, is AMD's marketing

1:51:36

lying about the performance of their CPUs

1:51:38

or simply setting up a scenario that

1:51:41

paints their hardware in

1:51:43

the best possible light? Does it matter? I

1:51:45

mean, it matters. It matters. But

1:51:47

it also is why we have

1:51:49

independent media and why we need

1:51:51

to take. The funny thing

1:51:53

to me about this one is that AMD

1:51:56

doesn't have to

1:51:58

do this. Yeah. They're

1:52:00

doing really well in this review game right now.

1:52:02

And it's so... It seems

1:52:04

like an unnecessary risk. Back to

1:52:06

my Qualcomm meeting, it's, you

1:52:09

know, when someone's coming in from a position of

1:52:11

strength like they are, you

1:52:13

know, with their battery life claims and all of that.

1:52:15

Hey, can you go to sleep? It's very rare. It's

1:52:18

very rare that they are

1:52:20

the ones that are fudging.

1:52:23

You know, like Nvidia was in such a dominant position

1:52:25

for so long that they started

1:52:27

actually creating tools like their PCAT,

1:52:29

which completely changed the

1:52:31

game for power monitoring for GPUs. Their

1:52:34

FCAT, which completely changed the game

1:52:37

for monitoring frame times. They

1:52:40

came out with these tools and

1:52:42

equipped independent media to better

1:52:44

validate that their solution was way better.

1:52:47

And that was in their best interest. So

1:52:49

normally, when you're in a position

1:52:52

of strength, you're the one

1:52:54

who is like working hard

1:52:56

to make sure that independent

1:52:58

media coverage correctly identifies how

1:53:01

much butt you're kicking. Yeah.

1:53:04

Right. It's very unusual for

1:53:07

the leader to come in and just

1:53:11

fool around like this. And this

1:53:13

is one of those ones that I kind of look at

1:53:15

and I go, there's

1:53:18

no way that the technical people

1:53:20

liked this. I've

1:53:23

met plenty of people at AMD over the years. There's

1:53:26

no way the technical anyone liked

1:53:28

this. I don't even

1:53:30

think that this is particularly aligned with AMD's

1:53:32

overall behavior as a company. So I have

1:53:34

a hard time believing that top brass thought

1:53:37

this was okay. This seems like

1:53:39

one of those. Slipped through. This

1:53:41

seems like one of those middle layer

1:53:43

things where someone with a decision making

1:53:45

power of some sort was

1:53:48

like. Some bonus structure. They're trying to hit

1:53:50

something maybe. They're really trying to sell

1:53:52

a bunch of these chips for some reason and pushed

1:53:55

this through and AMD

1:53:57

needs to go back internally.

1:54:00

figure out what happened here and make sure it doesn't happen

1:54:02

again. Yeah, no, this is

1:54:04

over the line for me, for sure. This

1:54:07

is past. This is beyond

1:54:09

presenting your product in the best light,

1:54:12

and this is into misleading territory.

1:54:16

This does look like I just found the actual

1:54:18

chart. Do you want to go to my

1:54:20

screen? No, no, no, it doesn't. It's

1:54:23

pretty suspicious. What? What?

1:54:30

All results are up too. Yeah.

1:54:33

Yeah, it's

1:54:36

pretty suspicious. They have other charts

1:54:38

as well. I don't remember

1:54:40

exactly where they are. There we go. Which

1:54:43

also feels... What? Pretty

1:54:45

suspicious. What

1:54:47

is that chart? All

1:54:51

results are up too again, by the way. Yeah,

1:54:53

sure. 100% of what? The

1:54:56

13, 600, whatever. KF.

1:54:59

Yeah. All right. What

1:55:02

else we got? Oh, DJI drones?

1:55:04

Oh, is it... Oh,

1:55:06

it's WAN after dark, but it's not late. So

1:55:08

what are we calling it? WAN

1:55:11

afternoon. Oh, but it's not afternoon yet. We

1:55:13

can do topics for six minutes. Let's

1:55:15

do that. All right. Okay. The

1:55:18

US House of Representatives approves a bill that could ban the

1:55:20

sale and use of DJI drones. Wow, I

1:55:22

didn't know that second part. The sale, you can't even use them.

1:55:25

Oh. The Countering CCP Drones Act

1:55:27

passed the House as part of the 2025 National

1:55:29

Defense Budget. I

1:55:31

wanted to make it. And that will place

1:55:33

DJI on the FCC's covered list banning

1:55:35

them from sale to any entity receiving

1:55:37

federal funding. Oh, okay. Ah. The

1:55:40

features that sparked concerns of spying from

1:55:42

US regulators were first implemented by DJI

1:55:44

because of US regulators and

1:55:47

government pressure. It's uncertain whether

1:55:49

the FCC would also ban DJI

1:55:51

drones from using regulated wireless frequencies.

1:55:54

Should they do so, DJI would effectively be blocked

1:55:56

from operating in the US and existing drones could

1:55:58

be grounded. Wow. Discussion

1:56:04

question here is, at what point are American regulators

1:56:06

shooting themselves in the foot? There is

1:56:08

no US made alternative for consumers and DJI is

1:56:10

like 80% of the drone market.

1:56:14

Yeah. Neat. They might be

1:56:16

trying to make one. If

1:56:18

you've been paying attention to

1:56:21

the war in Ukraine, there's

1:56:24

a really crazy

1:56:26

documentary out called,

1:56:28

is it Darwin? Darwin,

1:56:31

Ukraine. Yeah. If

1:56:35

you just YouTube Darwin in Ukraine,

1:56:37

you'll find a Scripps News video,

1:56:39

which is a really crazy like

1:56:41

mini doc on the drone

1:56:43

warfare that's going on over there. And

1:56:46

there's really kind of wild

1:56:48

things happening as well to the

1:56:51

up armoring that's happening to tanks

1:56:53

and other various armored vehicles to defend themselves

1:56:55

from this drone. There's like netting hanging off

1:56:57

of them and stuff like that. And just

1:57:00

like extra plates that are offset from the

1:57:02

tank. There's all this crazy stuff going on.

1:57:06

So owning drone manufacturing

1:57:08

and having that

1:57:10

supply chain in your own country might actually be

1:57:12

something that US wants. And this might be one

1:57:14

of the ways that they try to strong arm

1:57:16

it is like open up a big market segment

1:57:18

so that some US company can come up and

1:57:21

start making stuff. I don't know.

1:57:26

I'm stretching the theory there a little bit, but

1:57:28

I wouldn't be too surprised just looking at the

1:57:30

things going on. It's not the craziest thing I've

1:57:32

heard. Yeah. More

1:57:34

random stuff. What do you want to do? Gaming roundup?

1:57:37

Where's that? Yeah, David through this in Nintendo

1:57:39

direct. Legend of Zelda Echoes

1:57:41

of Wisdom is the first Legend

1:57:44

of Zelda game where Zelda is

1:57:46

the protagonist, except it's the third time.

1:57:49

She was the main character in two

1:57:51

different CDI games that Nintendo was hoping

1:57:53

we had forgotten about. It

1:57:55

looks similar in style to 2019's Link's Awakening

1:57:58

remake, but differentiates itself with a nifty eco

1:58:00

mechanic that allows you to make copies of

1:58:02

certain objects. That's cool. Pretty cool. Metroid Prime

1:58:05

4 still exists. We got to see the

1:58:07

first gameplay snippets. It's coming to Switch 1,

1:58:09

but hard to believe that what

1:58:11

we saw in the trailer is actually running on

1:58:13

that hardware. So good luck, everybody. And there's a

1:58:15

new Mario party called Jamboree. Hopefully it doesn't suck.

1:58:18

Seven boards with two returning classics, over 110 minigames,

1:58:20

20 player online multiplayer in

1:58:24

the Koopa-thon mode. But

1:58:26

will they still make you sit through a tutorial every

1:58:28

time you play? Only time will

1:58:30

tell. Lots of RPGs,

1:58:32

like Mario and Luigi Brothership,

1:58:34

Fantasian, Dragon Quest III, HD2D

1:58:36

remake, and HD remasters of

1:58:38

Donkey Kong Country Returns and

1:58:40

Luigi's Mansion 2. In

1:58:43

other gaming news, get ready to be

1:58:45

mad. Todd Howard says he wants to

1:58:47

make annual DLC for Starfield. Will Luke

1:58:49

play? No. Got

1:58:51

him. The

1:58:54

next line says maybe they should focus on

1:58:56

making players happy first to stop the recent

1:58:58

review bombing due to monetizing mods. Yeah,

1:59:01

yeah, yeah. If

1:59:03

you want to cyberpunk your game, you need to

1:59:06

make it good, not just keep working on it.

1:59:08

Beyond Good and Evil is getting an HD

1:59:10

remaster for its 20th anniversary. And the original

1:59:13

has been pulled from storefronts. And

1:59:15

the sequel still never got released. It's

1:59:18

pretty funny. OK, OK, the last

1:59:20

news topic that we have here is

1:59:22

Banana. Last week,

1:59:24

we brought up Banana, a Steam

1:59:26

game that has now touched first

1:59:28

place on the Steam charts for

1:59:31

current active players. In

1:59:33

this game, players click a banana to try

1:59:35

to earn banana skins that can be sold

1:59:37

on the Steam marketplace. Some

1:59:39

had speculated early on that this game was

1:59:42

a scam or some form of market manipulation,

1:59:45

even more so once they found out

1:59:47

that one of the devs, these lions,

1:59:49

had been involved with a Steam market

1:59:51

Bitcoin cam slash bug before. Banana's

1:59:54

co-owner, Aesthetic Spartan, released a statement on

1:59:56

their Discord server saying, we did not

1:59:59

know about this. until recent videos started

2:00:01

to point this out and we had a

2:00:03

talk almost immediately with the whole team about

2:00:05

the situation. What do you mean whole

2:00:07

team? We

2:00:09

gave him the chance to explain the situation to us and

2:00:11

we know he is showing remorse and is sorry about what

2:00:13

happened in the past. Since

2:00:15

then the banana team has parted ways with

2:00:18

these lions adding that his inventory was cleared

2:00:20

out of bananas to help calm

2:00:23

any concerns with the community. Same

2:00:26

question, Banana has said they assure

2:00:28

you this isn't a scam and

2:00:30

they do have big plans for content for

2:00:33

this game in the future. What

2:00:35

do you think their plans could be? You

2:00:37

literally click a banana. Well I think it's

2:00:39

more skins. I

2:00:42

think it's more skins. Maybe peels. But

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aww man there was a pun there. Maybe

2:00:48

a peeling one. Damn it.

2:00:50

Clearly off my game today. That was a

2:00:52

good pun though. You just got it a

2:00:55

little late. Yeah you really slipped on

2:00:57

that one. That's

2:01:00

a bruiser. No

2:01:03

make it stop. I

2:01:07

hate it here. I'm

2:01:12

like scared there's more coming. What

2:01:15

like a bunch more puns? I

2:01:26

think really if they wanted to do anything other than just

2:01:28

add more skins which is probably all they're actually going to

2:01:30

do. The only real route

2:01:32

forward is just cookie clickering it even

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more. How

2:01:37

do you cookie clicker something more? Just

2:01:39

partially automate the game. Oh

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god. Make it so

2:01:44

that you can buy like banana farms which make it

2:01:46

go faster. Make it so the

2:01:48

game only automates if you're willing to let your

2:01:50

GPU mine crypto in the background. Yeah.

2:01:53

Yeah. For them? Yeah

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yeah yeah. But they'll give you skins.

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Yeah yeah. Banana coin. Yeah. They

2:02:00

should make it so that the

2:02:02

upgrades that increase the automation

2:02:04

rate, instead of like in

2:02:06

cookie clicker where you just like buy them

2:02:08

with cookies, in this game they should

2:02:11

be tradable so you can

2:02:13

buy them with dollars. What do you call like

2:02:15

a counterfeit skin? A

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banana phony. Oh

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man. I can't

2:02:26

take it anymore. Alright

2:02:33

I think it's time for afternoon. Yeah. Which is

2:02:35

what we're calling after dark today so I guess,

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hold on, I think I've got an idea. I

2:02:44

think Luca's going bananas. Oh no. Oh

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it's brighter. Oh wow. Oh

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wow. Hey look, nice

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Dan. Thank you.

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Are you out of the flying stuff? When

2:03:04

did you do that? That was Conrad. We

2:03:06

have flying toasters for this week and I

2:03:09

believe we also have the new After Dark Afternoon

2:03:11

sponsor. Okay I legitimately don't think we should use

2:03:13

those because that could be a copyright concern. I

2:03:15

don't think those are ours. I explicitly said don't

2:03:17

do that. Conrad you gotta ask me before you

2:03:20

do that. Anyway

2:03:23

I think it was actually Dan's idea to turn up the

2:03:25

lights for after... Oh no I think that was Luca. That

2:03:27

was me. That was you. I played it off because it

2:03:29

seemed more fun in the moment that you made it up

2:03:31

with yourself. Yeah that's why I did that. Oh

2:03:34

gosh. It just seemed like whatever. The

2:03:37

point is Dan wanted us with a merch message

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