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Welcome to the WAN Show! Sorry, one sec.

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Oh no, not this time! Dang.

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We have got a great show lined up for

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you guys today. We are finally going to

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be doing the segment where I find

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out if I was

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right or read it was right about

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the difficulties that I had unsubscribing from

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Apple Arcade on my Apple TV,

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actually, even if it does

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work properly. That might mean something changed,

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but we'll get into that a little

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bit later. We're also going to be

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addressing the community response to our Nvidia

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Super Series review, and hey, maybe

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I left something for Luke to talk about. He's

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got to pick topics now, so he can't

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be distracted by his phone. Yeah,

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that's what I thought, Luke. Did you talk about the

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EVs? Nope. Oh nice. That

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is to bring back plug-in hybrid

0:53

EVs, which is awesome,

0:56

actually. Yeah, hilarious. Something that we've

0:58

been asking for for a while now. Ever

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since they stopped making the Volt, I was like, wow.

1:03

Which was an amazing car. What a terrible decision. How

1:06

could they make this? Oh, okay, yeah, they unmade

1:08

the decision. Very cool. Which is

1:10

great. Good job. Did you talk about

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the Neuralink? Nope. And Neuralink was put

1:14

in a person. Someone

1:17

agreed to do that. Luke, could you pay

1:19

less attention? Yes, not

1:21

much though. This

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show is brought to you today

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by OddVisas, Manscaped, and Squarespace. Why

1:47

don't we jump into the community

1:50

response to the NVIDIA Super

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Series review. So we

1:54

decided, rather than to spread our

1:56

coverage of NVIDIA's Super lineup, the

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4070 Super Super 4070

2:00

TI Super and 4080

2:03

Super over I think it was

2:05

a grand total of I want

2:07

to say it was nine.

2:10

It was somewhere between seven and nine total

2:13

embargo date. I don't know either. No,

2:16

I think it was seven. I think it

2:18

was seven because they had the announcement, then

2:20

they had unboxing embargoes for each card, then

2:22

they had review embargoes for each card. No.

2:25

They also had a separate

2:27

review embargo for partner cards

2:29

rather than founders edition cards.

2:32

It was some ludicrous number of embargo dates and

2:35

I was sitting here going, okay, so basically what

2:37

you want is you want video

2:40

after video after video after video that

2:42

is just dedicated to talking about a

2:45

mid-cycle refresh. Sorry,

2:48

no. What we're going

2:50

to do is we're just going to consolidate it into

2:52

one video. However, there is one super

2:54

thing that people are pretty upset

2:56

about in this particular video and

2:59

that was the non-inclusion of AMD's

3:01

RX 7900 XTX seeing

3:03

as it's widely viewed as an important

3:06

competitor to the 4080 Super, not

3:08

least of which because it is at the

3:10

same ish MSRP. It's

3:13

actually a little bit lower from the listings that I've seen

3:15

somewhere in the kind of $930, $40 to $950 range. Oh

3:21

USD, yeah? Yeah,

3:23

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not in rubles,

3:25

Canadian rubles. Oh, we had our price, I

3:27

was like, that's really far off. Yeah, no,

3:30

no, no, no, no, no. So basically, I

3:32

was in the room when it happened when

3:35

we made the decision to not include the

3:37

7900 XTX. I

3:40

had some of my own thoughts about why we

3:43

ultimately made the call that we did to include

3:45

the suite of cards that we did, but I'm

3:47

going to start with the news team summary from

3:49

Adam, who was the writer on that project and

3:52

who worked with the labs on it. Basically

3:55

point A, the decision to exclude the 7900 XTX was

3:57

based on a combination of of

4:00

relevance and testing capacity. We

4:02

saw this as a review of the new

4:04

Super Series as a whole. It was

4:07

not a review of the 4080 Super even

4:09

though we did target close to the

4:11

4080 Super Embargo since

4:13

that was the last one from the lineup.

4:15

The 4080 Super is anywhere from 2% to

4:17

3% faster than

4:20

a base 4080. Making it more

4:22

of a refresh with a price cut essentially is

4:24

how we kind of laid it out in the

4:26

video. We referred to it as 4080 Refresh, 4080

4:28

Internally we

4:32

were calling it 4080 Refried,

4:34

4080 Redux. Retesting

4:38

cards for up to date results takes time. We

4:40

tested a total of 11 cards

4:42

for this video. We haven't fully rolled

4:44

out our new standardized

4:46

test benches that allow us to test

4:48

in parallel yet. So there was a

4:50

limited number of cards that we

4:52

were able to... If you

4:55

are interested in that, there's a video on that that's

4:57

awesome where they test all the CPUs, go back and

4:59

check that out. We actually

5:01

ended up adding a couple of cards that weren't

5:03

in the original meeting and there was one more

5:05

spot where we kind of went, okay, can we

5:08

test one more card? If so, what will it

5:10

be? And the debate was between the

5:12

7700 XT and the 7900 XTX and the decision

5:14

was, okay,

5:19

let's go with the 7700 XT.

5:21

We don't want to cut the older

5:23

cards. We've gotten really good feedback from

5:26

people that it's really

5:28

nice to have popular older

5:30

cards. So we chose our

5:32

previous generation cards based on what

5:35

is still holding really strong in the Steam

5:37

Hardware Survey. We didn't want to cut those

5:39

because we've gotten really good feedback on them

5:42

and we figured that the 7700 XT

5:45

would give additional context for the lower priced

5:47

cards that would be relevant to the greater

5:50

number of viewers. Obviously,

5:54

not everyone agrees. Number

5:56

two is being selective about how

5:58

many cards we retest in every... video is

6:00

an important consideration to avoid unnecessary stress

6:02

and overtime. This is one of those

6:04

funny things where it's always kind

6:08

of damned if you do, damned if you

6:10

don't, catch 22. If we test

6:13

35 cards, I'm

6:15

going to be questioned on why we have so much

6:18

crunch here. If we test three cards, I'm going to

6:20

be questioned on why we're so lazy here. At

6:22

the end of the day, there's always trade-offs and we

6:24

ultimately made the trade-off to go with the 7700 XT

6:26

rather than the 7900 XTX. There's

6:30

a lot of stuff going on in the tech world right now

6:32

and I got

6:36

to be honest with you guys, this

6:39

wasn't the most exciting one. Coming

6:44

back to sort of my thoughts on it,

6:46

first of all, we are going to address

6:48

it. I think

6:50

someone is doing some OT this weekend to

6:53

test 7900 XTX. We're

6:55

going to get those numbers added. The

6:59

reality of it is looking at the

7:01

percentage of people that are very

7:04

upset about this versus the percentage of people who

7:06

are actually buying a 7900 XTX, they're

7:08

very, very different. What

7:14

it seems like to me is that this

7:16

is one of those things where maybe

7:18

video is just like not the right format.

7:20

One of the challenges too is you can

7:23

only include so many cards if you want

7:25

to have averages which do matter and

7:27

1% lows which

7:29

in my mind are actually more important. If you want

7:31

to have all of that in a 16 by

7:34

9 graph, it starts to get

7:36

kind of illegible past a certain point and I'm

7:38

kind of looking at it going, man, maybe

7:42

the solution is why exactly

7:44

are we doing a review for

7:47

a GPU anymore? We

7:51

killed power supplies 10 years ago. We

7:54

killed motherboards like 9 years ago as

7:56

sort of here's a product that merits

7:58

a full LTT video. It didn't

8:00

particularly perform better. No, no, it didn't particularly perform

8:02

well at all in spite of the fact that

8:05

it was a ton of work like man, let

8:07

me tell you the cards that we did test

8:09

guys it was Meticulous,

8:11

we put so much Flipping work into

8:13

this stuff and I'm sitting here going

8:16

If it's not about what you're actually gonna buy which is

8:19

the feedback that I'm kind of hearing right now And it's

8:21

more about what you just you want it you want

8:23

to see it compared right like you want to see You

8:26

know the green horse versus the red horse which

8:28

one ran the fastest and that's fair enough that's

8:30

totally valid, but that doesn't need to

8:32

be a video and Maybe

8:34

the long-term solution is the lab's

8:36

website and we just basically go.

8:38

Okay. Yeah, the card comes in We

8:41

test the stuffing out of it And

8:43

if it's actually interesting Then

8:45

we make an LTP video and we put all the

8:48

all the effort into all the different ways that we

8:50

present the graphs So they're paced

8:52

with the script and all the things that go

8:54

into making an entertaining Dense

8:57

video. I mean I'm actually

8:59

other than that one miss which I

9:01

acknowledge a hundred percent Yeah, looking back at

9:03

it. I flagged it. I

9:06

was like, hey, we should probably have the 7900 XTX and The

9:10

argument that was made to me as I recall

9:12

was well Here's the thing the 7900 XT

9:14

has dropped in price so much and

9:17

that it actually makes a ton of sense now

9:20

and so By taking

9:22

this end of things and

9:24

just having the 4080 super be there as a

9:26

thousand dollar card I mean to be clear we

9:29

never recommended spending a thousand dollars on a GPU

9:31

at all So just yeah

9:33

having that thing sit there and be its

9:35

thing and then looking at anything that we

9:37

actually think Might be worth buying in

9:39

more detail as the right approach and I kind of went Okay,

9:42

I mean I the enthusiast and

9:45

curious I'd want to know okay How does the

9:47

7900 XTX stack up against the 4080 super it

9:49

really is a fairly apples

9:51

to apples comparison But I accepted

9:53

that I accepted that reasoning

9:56

and I accepted the rest of the reasoning that's

9:58

in that's in our notes here today and

10:00

we ultimately didn't include it. Other

10:03

than that, honestly, I'm I

10:05

think it's a great video. It's really

10:07

short. One

10:10

of our goals going into it was

10:12

to spend absolutely zero

10:15

time wasting the viewer's time. So

10:18

from the moment this video starts,

10:21

there we go. Oh, viewer

10:27

time wasted. There we go. Yeah, exactly.

10:29

From the moment this video starts to

10:32

the first performance graph is... Sorry,

10:35

it happened really fast... is

10:38

five seconds. We

10:41

wanted to get to the point right

10:43

away and then our next graph

10:45

where we basically start

10:48

laying things out. Here we go.

10:50

We compare it to an older card comes

10:52

at about a minute and then we get

10:54

into actual results within about 80 seconds.

10:57

So that was our goal. We

11:00

spent a total of 13 minutes to go

11:02

through this whole kind of sort

11:04

of interesting launch. We talked about the changes in

11:07

pricing. We talked about the changes in performance and

11:09

yeah, there's a card missing from the graphs but...

11:11

I found it. Oh, what'd you find? I found

11:14

the card. So

11:18

card located. Yeah, I can

11:20

actually tell you about that. So

11:23

noticing that, hey, maybe

11:26

we should acknowledge this card. I

11:29

think Gary actually ran some testing over the

11:31

weekend and then we added that table but

11:34

we didn't remake all of the graphs

11:36

because we were like, okay, it's

11:39

a thousand dollar GPU. How

11:42

many people are actually buying this

11:45

versus for most people actually shopping?

11:48

How much of the information have

11:50

we presented in this video? Yeah,

11:53

swing and a miss but overall, I

11:55

still think

11:58

this is a good direction. Reducing

12:00

the amount of time that it takes

12:02

to process these sort of uninteresting

12:07

refreshes. And the

12:10

main takeaway for

12:12

me from this whole experience of

12:15

that, man, do you

12:17

remember when one NVIDIA GPU was

12:20

like millions of views and

12:22

people were excited? And

12:25

now... A pile of

12:27

them. NVIDIA GPUs, I

12:29

saw one comment that really stood

12:32

out to me and

12:35

it was, minus nothing

12:37

personal, this isn't your fault, but

12:40

I'm out. This is boring.

12:44

These GPUs are boring. I don't care.

12:49

And I think NVIDIA feels the same way.

12:51

Yeah. What's their stock up, like six points

12:53

today or something like that? I don't even know. Nothing

12:56

to do with the RTX 40 series

12:58

Super Launch. Bad point? I don't

13:01

know. It's

13:03

funny reading comments like this. I usually agree

13:05

with Linus but, you know, hard pass on

13:07

this reasoning. What reasoning? I

13:10

said it was a miss. What do you... I'm explaining why

13:12

it wasn't in there because that's what people want to

13:15

know and then I'm saying it was a miss. I

13:17

don't really know what there is to disagree with at

13:20

that point. Here was our reasoning.

13:22

No, that person thinks it shouldn't have been

13:24

in the video. I'm joking. I'm

13:26

joking. Oh. Well, that makes more

13:28

sense now. He's

13:30

agreeing with the original decision. Yeah,

13:35

I just think

13:40

video just might not be the right format

13:42

for this anymore though. I

13:45

think it might depend on the card. Right,

13:48

but what cards? Yeah. Name.

13:51

Okay. I bet you a

13:53

5000 series launch even if the difference is this

13:55

small. I bet you a 5000 series launch would

13:57

kill. Here's the problem. The problem

13:59

is... is that 5000 series is gonna be flippin'

14:01

fast. Because

14:04

Nvidia has to do all of

14:06

the development anyway in order to make

14:08

better AI accelerators. So it's

14:10

gonna be flippin' fast. But I

14:12

wouldn't be surprised at all to

14:15

see a 5090, or

14:17

whatever they end up calling

14:19

it, TI, super, RTI, who

14:22

knows anymore with their naming scheme. So whatever

14:24

the 5090, whatever that

14:26

equivalent Halo 2 card is, I wouldn't be surprised

14:28

to see it at $2,000. And

14:31

what gamers have shown in Nvidia time and

14:33

time again is that they'll pay. Yeah.

14:36

Because something to consider, something

14:38

that I think the components

14:40

buyers don't

14:43

necessarily think about that much because

14:45

it's a really different perspective is

14:47

that for most people, a $400 difference in the

14:50

GPU is

14:54

actually only about an

14:56

8% difference in the total cost

14:59

of the system they were planning to buy. If

15:01

you're buying a system that would have a 4090 or

15:04

a 5090 or whatever else, like some kind of Halo

15:07

spec card in it, you

15:09

are spending probably somewhere between three to $5,000

15:11

on that computer. And

15:14

so when you play around with the sliders,

15:16

you're not looking at, oh, I just spent

15:18

twice as much on my GPU, you're looking

15:21

at, oh, I just spent 25% more on

15:24

the total system for, you know, let's

15:27

say I call it a 50% increase in performance

15:29

or, you know, whatever that increase is

15:31

generationally. So the calculus

15:34

is really different and most people

15:36

don't build their own computers. So

15:40

the market reality that someone like an

15:42

Nvidia is setting their price

15:44

according to is not

15:46

aligned with the reality that we

15:48

see when we put together like a

15:51

price to performance, like an FPS per

15:53

dollar chart or something like that because

15:55

the FPS per dollar that we calculate

15:58

is based on only the card.

16:00

pricing, whereas someone who's buying a

16:02

computer, someone who's buying a fully completed system,

16:04

is not actually looking at it that way.

16:08

Yeah. Anyway,

16:13

yeah, we got a million views. And

16:16

so I'm sitting here going, okay. Do you think that would

16:18

be, do you think it would have gotten more views if

16:20

the sentiment around

16:23

it was better because the 3900XTX was included? No,

16:26

I don't think so. I think it's a small

16:28

number. It's a small number of people who are

16:30

upset about it in the grand scheme of things.

16:33

The like-to-like ratio in this video, I can

16:35

bring this up for you guys, is actually

16:37

not abnormal in any way. Here,

16:40

let me pull it up. There

16:46

we go. Analytics.

16:52

So it's net positive for subscribers.

16:55

Sentiment is about

16:57

a percent below channel average, but it

17:00

started out for the first probably

17:02

eight hours or so, a percent

17:04

above channel average. It

17:07

started out being received extremely well.

17:09

And then over time, as people have

17:12

piled into the comments, it's

17:15

been received much more poorly. Sentiment's

17:17

shifting? Yep, sentiment's shifted. I've seen that before.

17:20

And so, oh yeah,

17:22

view duration is extremely low. Wow.

17:28

You gave them the whole story at

17:30

five seconds. Oh, this is amazing. So

17:33

yeah, this is what happens when you're basically

17:35

like, okay, yeah, here's the deal.

17:37

Here's what's up with this thing. In the first two

17:39

minutes, so we get to 1080p results and

17:42

everyone's like, see you later. So

17:45

this gray band right here is

17:47

your typical duration for a video

17:49

of this length or your typical

17:51

retention on this channel. So this

17:53

is specifically relevant to our channel.

17:58

All anyone wants to see... is

18:00

a graph and then the

18:03

rest of it is just kind of like noise

18:06

apparently. So this

18:08

is one of those things where I

18:11

think people think they want to see a lot

18:14

of graphs and a lot of visualizations and a

18:16

lot of analysis. They want it to be interesting.

18:18

But what they actually want is to watch an

18:20

interesting video and what

18:23

really stands out to me about this particular

18:25

one is, and to be clear, I'm

18:27

not saying we're not going to cover GPUs. I'm

18:30

just saying it's probably going

18:32

to end up being on short circuit. Or

18:35

not be like a default. You're

18:37

not going to cover it by default anymore. Or we'll

18:39

do it, but not bother

18:41

doing it at embargo. Why are we bothering?

18:44

Let's test it. Sure, we'll test it before embargo.

18:46

We'll make sure the thing's actually interesting. And then

18:48

let's put together a cool project with it or

18:50

something rather than just saying, here's

18:54

a GPU. Or

18:56

maybe we consolidate it. We

18:58

do a quarterly GPU update. That's

19:01

kind of cool. I would click on that personally.

19:04

Because the problem with at-launch videos, and this

19:06

is an inherent problem. This is not something

19:08

that I think anyone can solve, is that

19:10

you're taking the manufacturer's word for what the

19:12

street pricing is going to be. And

19:15

that ended up causing a lot

19:17

of backlash toward the reviewer

19:20

community back when Nvidia and

19:22

their partners were increasing pricing

19:24

on the 3D series. Because

19:27

we would review a card with the best information

19:29

we have at the time. And

19:31

then it would turn out that it would have a street price that's 20, 30, 50,

19:33

100% higher. And

19:37

all of a sudden, it's our fault. And we're sitting here going crying

19:40

out loud, guys. Yeah.

19:44

In the past, they've been off by a little bit.

19:46

But my goodness, this has never happened like this before.

19:49

And so if we do something like

19:52

a quarterly update, then we can basically

19:54

just go, okay, yeah, here's the actual

19:56

street pricing. Here's the testing

19:58

for this particular card. the one that

20:00

anyone is actually buying, because we can look at,

20:02

OK, what's getting the most

20:05

reviews? What is actually ranking high

20:07

on best sellers at sites like

20:10

Newegg or Amazon or Best Buy or whatever the

20:12

case may be? And we

20:14

can give you guys a snapshot

20:16

of what the market looks like

20:18

without any constraints, like being limited

20:20

to pricing information that is provided

20:22

to us in a very optimistic

20:24

form by the GPU chit set

20:26

maker. Yeah.

20:33

Right. So the reason I had

20:35

brought this up was because, here, hold

20:37

on. I'm just going to filter by.

20:40

And to be clear, guys, views

20:42

is not the be all

20:45

and end all. It's not the only reason we

20:47

make videos. We make videos because we think something's

20:49

really cool or we make it because

20:51

we think

20:53

this is something that's never been done

20:55

before or because we think it's something

20:57

people really need to know

21:00

occasionally. It's just because I'm really passionate about

21:02

something. I want to talk about it. We

21:04

have a video coming up soon that is

21:07

not going to get a lot of views.

21:09

It's going to be called Stop Calling Them Chromebooks.

21:13

Oh. And it's basically,

21:15

I don't know, video essay

21:17

or kind of a chat

21:20

about how I believe

21:22

that Chromebooks are going

21:24

to become laptops. We're

21:27

not going to call them Chromebooks anymore. We're going to call

21:29

them laptops because did you

21:31

know that it is one checkbox

21:33

now to just transform

21:37

OS into I can install any Linux thing that

21:39

I want? I

21:43

know I had no idea. Yeah. So Chrome

21:45

OS is

21:48

Linux with a Team Fortress 2

21:50

hat. So

21:53

that's my thesis. Speedran,

21:56

how many people I can piss off. I

21:59

know. I know. Sorry.

22:03

That's not going to get a ton of views. So

22:06

my point is that it's not the only

22:08

calculus, but it is something that we

22:10

have to at least consider. We

22:13

have people who I actually, it

22:16

turns out, cannot pay in graphics

22:18

cards and water bottles. They

22:20

do need to be paid with money. And

22:23

if we aren't making content that people... The

22:26

other thing is that if it's not getting views, well,

22:29

that's an indication that it's something people don't want

22:31

to watch. And

22:34

so we should definitely be making videos people want to

22:36

watch. And I mean, have a look at

22:38

the other stuff we uploaded in the last little while. So

22:41

for this graphics card, we

22:44

get... This

22:46

will end up probably in the 1.3, 1.4 range. It

22:51

has a below average. So our average is around 97.5% for

22:53

dislike ratio. Okay.

22:58

So I did a

23:00

tour of a building we bought talking

23:03

about how we're going to run LANs there. People

23:06

flip in, love it. Way more

23:08

viewership. We

23:10

collab with someone cool like Mehdi, Electroboom.

23:12

That video is fun. People

23:14

flip in, love it and watch the crap out of

23:16

it. We come in

23:18

on the weekend and just upgrade

23:21

the network infrastructure above

23:23

average. Even

23:26

this, even this dries toast, hey,

23:29

here's 12 CPUs and we tested them. Yeah, it didn't

23:31

get views, which we knew it wasn't going to, but

23:33

we just thought it was really important. This is sick

23:35

video though. So let's see how far back we have

23:38

to go to find something that

23:40

people are just as apathetic about

23:42

as Nvidia's Super Launch. Let's

23:45

keep going. Let's keep going. Let's keep

23:47

going. Okay. Here we go. Here

23:51

we go. Here we go. Here we

23:53

go. No, even this sponsored video on

23:55

Asus Zephyrus laptop refresh can't get that

23:57

low. Let's keep going. And

24:02

guys, no, I don't think

24:04

that all this negativity just comes down

24:07

to that people are actually that upset

24:09

about one GPU that wasn't

24:11

included. Here

24:14

we go. Here it is.

24:16

For Airjet, where we mangled that

24:18

MacBook. And

24:26

I think that really a big part of that was probably

24:28

the title. I've updated the title

24:30

now to include four systems, whatever. That usually

24:32

happens anywhere from a week to three weeks

24:34

after we upload. We'll add a better descriptor

24:36

at the end. But

24:39

I think some people thought it was going to be

24:41

more something Apple can do immediately or

24:44

something. And so there was a little bit of

24:46

bounce off of that video. But overall, it was

24:48

one that the comments are overwhelmingly positive on. So

24:50

I think it was just everything

24:54

is just kind of like crystal ball

24:57

at a certain point. Why

24:59

did people like this or not like it? And you can read

25:01

a lot of comments. You can look at a lot of analytics.

25:04

But there's always going to be a little bit of guesswork involved. But

25:07

at the end of the day,

25:09

yeah, this

25:11

is a

25:13

high risk, low reward video. I

25:17

like the idea of we'll

25:19

still produce that type of content. It'll

25:22

just be an article on the lab website. It'll

25:24

be a craft. And if it's in

25:26

the creation of that, we're like, whoa, there's a

25:28

cool story here. Now there's

25:30

a video. Now there's a video. Because that's something

25:33

we've discussed about how the lab site could work

25:35

for a really long time. So

25:37

you can still come to Linus Tech Tips, Linus

25:39

Media Group to get this type of information. Just

25:42

clearly you're sniping the video for graphs

25:44

anyways. So just go

25:46

to the site and get the graphs. Yeah.

25:50

Yeah. That way, there's just zero wasting

25:52

of anyone's time. This is all you

25:54

want to know anyway. And

25:56

then we need to test the stuff anyhow. I

26:00

want to do more build videos and stuff like that.

26:02

I want to do cool builds. I want to do

26:04

more roundups. I

26:06

want to do more just kind of updates,

26:08

keeping people up to date. So we have

26:10

to do the testing anyway, but

26:12

we don't have to do it on embargo day. We

26:15

don't have to do it under constraints,

26:18

like not having proper

26:20

access to what the exact pricing is going

26:22

to be prior to publishing time. People don't

26:24

have to pull like crazy fever dream all

26:26

nighters and weekends and stuff like that. At

26:31

the end of the day, this is not entirely my

26:33

decision. This is something that we're going to talk to

26:35

the team about, but it's also not

26:38

something that I think is that outlandish anymore. And

26:40

we've seen this decline over time. This is not

26:43

the first time we've asked the question, should we

26:45

do GPU reviews anymore? I

26:47

think the first, I'm trying to think, trying

26:50

to think of a GPU that launched. Looking

26:55

at all the negativity around 40 series, that

26:58

was certainly a time when we

27:00

wondered, I would say probably around the time

27:03

of 40, 60 series and

27:06

the 7,600, we were just

27:08

looking at it going, if

27:12

AMD and Nvidia can't even care

27:15

about this category,

27:20

how can they possibly expect their customers

27:22

to care? And if their

27:24

customers don't care, why

27:27

are we covering it? Yeah.

27:35

Man, I'm trying to think, probably the

27:37

peak would have been the announcement of

27:39

the 3080. When

27:44

was that exactly? I

27:49

think you'll be surprised how

27:51

long ago it was. So

27:53

that was also at a very particular time,

27:56

which makes sense why it would have peaked.

27:58

September 17th, 2020. when everyone

28:00

was like, I'm gonna stay

28:02

indoors for a super long time. This is

28:04

the peak. And you can play video games

28:06

with computers? 5.1 million views. And

28:09

yeah, it's been three years or whatever, but don't kid yourself.

28:11

Nobody's watching that today. That

28:14

took off like a

28:16

rocket ship. And then

28:19

the actual review, yeah,

28:21

that was the last time people

28:23

cared about a GPU launch. Yeah.

28:26

What was the 4080 launch? Brutal. Yeah,

28:29

we can have a look. 1.1

28:36

million. No way. No

28:38

one cared. No way. It's

28:40

a $1200 graphics card. Who

28:42

gives a ****? Yeah, fair enough. I

28:45

could buy a PlayStation 5. I

28:48

could buy an Xbox Series X. I

28:50

could buy an extra controller for each of my

28:53

bros. For

28:55

each of those consoles. So,

28:57

you know, me and my little brother, my little

28:59

sister can play together. And some

29:01

games. No, because it's

29:03

$500 each for those consoles. Is it? Yeah.

29:06

Well, okay, not if I get the digital edition,

29:08

but if I'm buying first party controllers. You're

29:11

also probably getting bundles. If I don't buy

29:13

first party controllers though, yeah, I might even

29:15

be able to squeeze in a TV. Maybe.

29:18

Maybe. It'd be that. Oh, I was assuming

29:20

once you added the second console stuff, I

29:22

was assuming you weren't going the TV route.

29:24

Oh, okay, okay, okay. No, but or I

29:26

could, or to your point, I could buy

29:28

a console, a full complement of first party

29:30

controllers and a decent TV. And

29:34

your console is very likely coming with a

29:36

bundle. At least ridiculous. Like it just doesn't,

29:38

it doesn't make any sense anymore. Yeah.

29:43

So, I don't know. And

29:46

I'm tired of being mad. Isn't

29:50

anyone else just tired of being mad?

29:52

I don't know if they are, but I am. It's

29:55

exhausting. Yeah, yeah,

29:57

it is. I don't know. I'd like to be.

29:59

To be completely honest, a

30:02

lot of the old cards are fine. I

30:05

don't know. Like 1440p monitors,

30:08

90 to 144 frames

30:11

per second. Decently

30:14

old cards are running a lot of new games,

30:16

no problem. Yep, I mean we- At very respectable

30:18

settings. We did this video a little while back,

30:20

only UK- this is probably a bad title. I

30:22

don't know how to fix it though. Because

30:25

it's sort of a-

30:29

Yeah, I don't know how to fix it, but basically I

30:31

scrapyard warzed a

30:33

single GPU. The only solution to

30:35

GPU pricing. Yeah. What

30:40

a great intro that was, begged a GPU. Anyway,

30:44

the point is, instead

30:48

of being mad, just don't give them your money.

30:51

Buy a secondhand GPU. There's a lot of

30:53

them out there. And they're generally in a

30:55

really good condition. I don't

30:57

think I've- Or not. Personally, ever bought one that ended

30:59

up being a problem. Or with a little bit of

31:01

MacGyver know-how. I mean the one that I bought in

31:03

this video had a fan that was a little bit

31:06

squeaky. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:08

Okay, but that's fixable with like a $4

31:10

fan off of AliExpress. It

31:17

would be very off-brand for me to

31:20

say, well then, I

31:22

don't know. The

31:25

fan could make a little bit of extra noise, so you

31:27

should probably buy a brand new card. Yeah.

31:30

That's not me. That's never going to be me guys. Yeah,

31:35

like someone in chat, I think I lost

31:37

the message, but let's see. Red Pigeon in

31:39

chat said, my 3080- It's a pretty high-end

31:41

card. But my 3080

31:44

still runs everything I play perfectly. The

31:46

only game it struggles in at high

31:48

settings is Cyberpunk, which

31:50

is like an extremely insanely hard game

31:52

to run, especially high settings. It's also

31:54

one game. Yeah. So play it

31:56

and then- Just run it at like

31:58

medium. Yeah, it

32:01

actually still looks really good at medium.

32:03

Yeah. I

32:05

feel like we do end up, I

32:08

feel like we do end up

32:10

getting kind of taunted into

32:13

spending more

32:15

on a GPU sometimes by just

32:17

the existence of higher

32:19

detail sliders. I do

32:21

wonder as much as a geek,

32:24

I love that CD Projekt Red

32:26

just keeps adding technology to

32:29

Cyberpunk. You don't have to turn it on. It's the

32:31

coolest thing ever. I mean, it's the new crisis. They

32:34

literally add settings

32:37

that they know that no modern hardware

32:39

can possibly push at a

32:41

reasonable frame rate. But

32:44

I do wonder if that ends up almost

32:46

having like a negative effect on people. Like

32:49

the existence of that slider makes them feel bad

32:51

about their GPU and if they just add

32:54

it to a lower setting and then

32:56

just never looked at it at Raytrace

32:59

Ultra overkill

33:01

preset or

33:03

whatever, they

33:06

would just enjoy the game and be happy

33:08

with it. Yeah. I mean, some of

33:10

the biggest games this year, PAL World. You

33:12

don't need a freaking powerful GPU to play PAL World.

33:16

No, not at all. 12th Gate 3 is

33:18

going to run fine. Oh

33:21

yeah. For

33:23

a period of time, Ran Ball is Gate 3 on a Titan RTX, which

33:25

is 2080 equivalent

33:28

I think, roughly.

33:32

No problem whatsoever. 2080 Ti. 2080

33:34

Ti? Yeah, 2080 was a

33:36

lot lower than 2080 Ti because NVIDIA's naming

33:39

scheme means nothing. It's ridiculous. But

33:42

still, that's multiple generations back. And

33:46

I don't think I noticed a huge difference when I

33:48

put in one of the newer, more powerful cards. It's

33:51

just like whatever. So that's two of the biggest games in

33:53

the last quite a while, neither

33:56

of which would have an issue with a 2000 series

33:58

card, let alone a three or four. You

34:01

can run a lethal company on a potato, that's another game

34:04

that blew up recently. Yep. Speaking

34:06

of running games on a potato, we finally

34:08

did it. Potato

34:10

powered computer? No. Okay,

34:13

good. Run for like

34:15

a second. If you got it to turn on at all.

34:19

You probably could. I have no idea. The

34:22

potato computer. It's

34:26

water cooled. Because

34:28

of course it is. You're

34:33

not going to explain are you? It's a

34:35

potato computer, there's nothing to explain. We

34:38

built a computer in a potato. In

34:40

a potato? Is

34:43

this like a special

34:46

variety of potato that's extremely large?

34:48

No. Oh. It's

34:50

a russet potato. See

34:53

that's probably going to get more views than

34:55

the 4080 Super Refresh. Oh, it'll get way

34:57

more. Yeah. And it's also

35:00

way cooler because... It's interesting. Honestly, it's

35:02

technology that's actually moving really fast right

35:04

now. Like we... Because

35:06

what we're highlighting is AMD's APUs and

35:08

how... Oh, okay. And so there's this

35:10

really cool mini forum system that we

35:13

use to... That we dismantle in order

35:15

to make our potato PC that is

35:19

shockingly small. Because

35:21

I haven't seen anyone integrate these processors,

35:23

these really powerful APUs that AMD's been

35:25

coming out with over the last year

35:27

or so. In anything other

35:29

than a handheld gaming PC or a

35:32

laptop. Where you can only

35:34

make them so small because they have to have screens and

35:36

batteries and things that you don't

35:38

need in a standalone PC. So

35:40

things like this big. It's

35:43

freaking tiny. We were like, can

35:46

we finally do it? Anyway,

35:48

a lot of shenanigans ensues because it's me

35:50

and David who we seem to

35:52

have developed a bit of a vibe for

35:54

the projects that we worked on together. But you guys aren't

35:56

going to want to miss that one. It's a lot of

35:58

fun. That's what I thought. I'm gonna jump to this

36:01

to talk about your previous point. Oh sure. So

36:04

there's an Xbox Series X. Oh that's Canadian

36:06

pricing though. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I see. My

36:09

point though is that it comes with

36:11

24 months of Game Pass Ultimate.

36:14

Oh wow. So

36:17

for half the price of a

36:19

48E Super, you

36:24

can have this and two... I

36:27

think this is actually slightly less than half the price. Two years

36:29

of playing... Does it come with EA Play 2? Yeah,

36:32

it comes with both. Yeah. Hilarious.

36:37

So, and like this

36:40

is Canadian dollars, so when you look at 48E Super

36:42

and Canadian dollars, there is easily enough money to get

36:44

a very solid TV on top of this. I talked

36:46

to a video about this at CES. I was basically

36:48

like, look guys, I get it. You

36:51

know, Silicon's expensive. It's

36:53

not like you said TSMC's pricing, I understand that.

36:57

And I also understand you guys are a public company.

37:00

You have to maintain your margins

37:02

in order to make sure that stock price go

37:04

up and all those things that you have to

37:06

do, I guess, in order to maintain your

37:09

health and keep investing in the future

37:11

of technology and all that stuff. And they

37:13

do that stuff. They build really cool technology.

37:15

I'll never hate on Nvidia for their tech.

37:17

It's amazing. But

37:20

guys, you have to kind of

37:23

understand what's going on here right

37:25

now. You are alienating

37:28

your evangelical

37:30

users. You are even

37:33

worse than alienating. You are creating

37:35

a culture of apathy in

37:38

the gaming enthusiast community. They're

37:41

just bored. And

37:44

that is a huge problem. Not today,

37:47

not tomorrow, but it will

37:49

be. That's going to be an enormous problem.

37:51

Unless you just don't care. And

37:54

if you just don't care, then fine.

37:58

But if there's anything that you can do. to

38:00

convey this to the higher-ups that it would

38:02

be maybe prudent

38:04

at some point to

38:06

do something exciting.

38:11

I think you should consider it. And

38:15

it's not like- I'm sure that went nowhere, unfortunately. Oh, yeah,

38:17

I know. Yeah. But

38:19

I mean, I had to say it. Sure. What

38:21

am I going to do, not say it? Yeah, I really get mad that

38:23

she didn't say it. I should say it. And Nvidia knows how to do

38:25

exciting. 8800GT. When

38:28

Nvidia decides to be exciting, they

38:30

can do it. 30

38:34

series launch. That was

38:36

exciting. And

38:38

when they decide not to be exciting, well, they know

38:40

how to do that too. No,

38:43

no. When I say exciting, guys, I don't just

38:46

mean worthy of purchase at

38:48

all. I mean exciting. 8800GT

38:51

was a moment of gaming excitement

38:53

all of a sudden for literally

38:55

half the price with

38:57

some compromises. It had less VRAM. But

39:00

you could get performance

39:03

that was close to what the

39:05

day prior would have cost you

39:10

I have to make some clarifications. Sure. Apparently,

39:13

the Xbox All Game Pass Ultimate All Access

39:15

something or other, whatever I called it, is

39:18

some form of financing option thing. Oh,

39:21

is that why- But you pay for it over 24 months,

39:24

and then it comes with Game Pass Ultimate. So

39:27

you pay for the console and

39:29

Game Pass Ultimate as a subscription for 24 months.

39:32

Oh, okay. But then I think you own the console at the end or

39:35

something. I don't know. Okay. Well,

39:38

however it works, you were so far below the cost of the GPU

39:40

anyway that I still think it's in the clear. Yeah,

39:42

because I found this anyways. That's

39:44

US dollars. Yeah. So

39:46

there you go. Oh, wow. They're under 500

39:48

now. Wow. Microsoft must really

39:51

need to move some units. I don't think Sony's discounted PS5

39:53

as anything may have increased the price. It's

39:56

fricking February. Yeah. What?

40:00

Certainly a 0% interest, that 24 month

40:02

payment thing. I don't

40:04

know. I don't know anything about it. I'm not

40:06

suggesting finance models. I just found the one that

40:08

isn't financing is US dollars because that's the main

40:10

thing we're having the conversation in and it's less

40:12

than 500 bucks. So the point still completely stands.

40:17

Here's our discussion topic. You

40:20

are now let's

40:23

say 15 year old Luke. Sick.

40:26

Yeah, I know. You're

40:30

stronger. I'm happy. Smarter, faster.

40:33

Things are improving in general. I'm

40:37

not as broken. Do you need to

40:39

talk? Are you okay? Things are great.

40:41

Okay, so you're 15 year old Luke.

40:44

Yeah. The

40:46

one thing that's worse

40:49

is that you don't have any money. I

40:53

was very broke. Everything else was better. But

40:56

you don't have any money. Do

40:59

you take up PC gaming right now? Probably

41:02

not. Or do you just play in the

41:04

console? Because back then I didn't really care.

41:07

I cared. I mean this is

41:09

still honestly kind of true. Just

41:11

PCs can play so much more now. That's

41:14

true. But back then I was in it

41:16

for the games for the most part and

41:19

I got interested in computers mostly because I

41:21

needed to learn how to work with them

41:23

and fix them and keep them going

41:26

to be able to play games and I

41:28

needed to learn basic networking because my friend

41:30

and I wanted to play Diablo on LAN

41:32

and then I needed to learn still

41:35

basic but slightly less basic networking because we wanted to

41:37

have LANs of a bunch of computers and multiple Xboxes

41:39

all at the same time and I wanted to be

41:41

able to host servers for things and all this kind

41:44

of stuff. That was all largely

41:46

because of games and that's what drove my

41:48

passion for technology. But we

41:50

pretty much always had consoles at the same

41:52

time and I would always pretty much play

41:54

both because

41:56

I talk about how Morrowind is my favorite game of all

41:58

time all the time. I didn't play it on PC. I

42:01

had it on Xbox. I

42:04

played the crap out of the Halo games, not

42:06

on PC. I played them on Xbox.

42:09

We had some of my favorite memories of playing

42:11

games with my dad were on Super Nintendo and

42:13

N64. And

42:16

he played Warcraft II on PlayStation One, not

42:18

on PC, I'm just kidding, please don't do that. We

42:22

had PCs as well, but it was about what game I

42:24

felt like playing at the time. And if PCs were

42:27

this hard to get into, yeah,

42:31

I mean, we didn't have a ton of money.

42:33

It would have come down to a costing issue

42:35

and would have stuck with consoles. It

42:38

just is what it is. And I

42:40

probably still would have gotten interested in technology because I

42:42

still would have been having LANs, so

42:45

would have had to network these consoles together and stuff,

42:47

but like, yeah. Yeah.

42:50

Yeah, I mean, looking back, when

42:52

I got into computer games, I

42:54

got into games that

42:56

could run on a computer. I

42:59

wasn't, we didn't have a fancy

43:01

computer. I don't think we had a

43:03

dedicated graphics card until I needed to

43:06

play Civilization II, Test of Time. And

43:09

in order for the full motion

43:11

video diplomats and

43:13

stuff, emissaries to show up,

43:15

you had to have, you

43:17

had to support some

43:20

level of Direct3D. I forget

43:22

what it was, but I basically

43:24

went to bargain bytes, some

43:27

hole in the wall computer shop in Mission,

43:29

of all places, and I was like, okay,

43:32

this is the minimum requirement on the box. I'm pretty

43:34

sure I physically brought the box. I

43:36

need something that, I need something that,

43:38

this. And until

43:41

then, we didn't even have a dedicated graphics

43:43

card, so everything was CPU accelerated. And my

43:45

point isn't that we couldn't have bought a

43:47

GPU instead

43:50

of a console or something like that. And

43:52

my point is that it was

43:55

just there. I fell into

43:57

it. We're asking for people

43:59

to make. an enormous

44:02

commitment to PC gaming before they ever

44:04

actually fire up a game. The

44:06

fact that the 40 Super Refresh

44:09

didn't do anything for the

44:11

sub $500 range is

44:15

what people should be talking about right now. Yeah.

44:17

The fact that 4060 series,

44:20

Nvidia kind of looked at at this

44:22

point and went, yeah,

44:24

that seems fine. It

44:29

is ridiculous to me. I'm

44:33

trying to see on Newegg right now what I can get

44:35

for less than 449 USD. Like

44:40

if I'm an American shopper, and

44:42

so I set my filter down here to 449 cap. So

44:47

I can get an entire Xbox Series

44:50

X with

44:52

the controller and stuff, or

44:55

I can get, there

44:57

isn't really like, what's this?

45:00

Hold on, have you filtered for things that

45:02

are in stock and shipped by Newegg? Sold

45:06

by Newegg. Yeah. Okay. There

45:08

we go. In stock. A

45:10

lot of pop-ups in Newegg. Newegg has

45:13

turned into a gigantic piece of shit lately.

45:15

It's very annoying. It

45:17

used to be an oasis of easy

45:20

filtering and somewhat

45:23

intuitive shopping. And now

45:25

it's just awful, though it's not

45:27

nearly as bad as Amazon. Did you

45:30

see, I added a segment just

45:33

called Amazon Sucks or something like that. I

45:36

want to do a fun little demo for you as soon

45:38

as you're done with this. Yeah. Yeah,

45:41

I'm trying different filter options and stuff. I

45:43

just did best rating. Sure.

45:45

Okay. So what do we got? 46T Ti.

45:49

Awesome. I

45:52

think it's probably our best one.

45:54

So for $400, is that the

45:56

eight gig version though? Nice.

46:00

Yeah. So. For four hundred

46:02

dollars. You.

46:04

Know much, eight gigs of Ddd are six

46:07

costs. I'll

46:10

give you a hint. not a lot into

46:13

the city ia. Moon.

46:18

Yeah. For sixty t I'm not

46:20

really seeing above that, I think.

46:24

There's seventy six hundred x to use and stuff but

46:26

those are those are lower. At that point you saving

46:28

like almost one hundred bucks. I'm. Not.

46:30

It's a bad deal. I'm just trying to

46:32

look for new ones that are closely price

46:34

to that X box there was has four

46:36

Twenty five. What I get for for twenty

46:38

five Thirty seventy. Okay, So.

46:42

I get how and when did this is a

46:44

southerly i'm a monster deal on this. So.

46:48

Basically I can buy some. Ancient.

46:50

Card from October of Twenty

46:52

Twenty. That's

46:55

right friends, I can buy a So

46:57

we and that three and a quarter

46:59

year old Gp you that launched for

47:02

hold on hold and thirty seven the

47:04

launch price. That. Launched

47:06

that for Ninety Nine for long. As

47:08

I said today, For

47:11

force core processor. Ah

47:16

man. And

47:19

of whom he blames Joe Biden. This

47:21

sucks because you were in Wessex. Yeah

47:23

this sucks because we we were told

47:25

you have a go by use but.

47:28

Oh these are Canadian prices as Wednesday I never

47:30

my opponent that so it is a lot cheaper

47:32

to buy. yes are so he said. and there

47:34

was some cheaper one stone here. So like in

47:37

this case you're going on newegg to buy a

47:39

thirty seventy like you're also probably doing their best.

47:41

Bad. like that's two hundred and thirty or so

47:43

a U S dollars that that that se for

47:45

three hundred bucks. Oh no, that's that's did that

47:47

Spitzer said us know by now I'm. By.

47:50

No for before. Yeah.

47:53

So the bounce around three fifty. Mother.

47:55

You should do the buy it now

47:58

necessarily notes or and honestly I. Had

48:00

a lot of luck with his Book

48:02

Marketplace recently just because there's no se.

48:05

So on E Bay it used to

48:07

be that you to get really good

48:09

deals but ebay seller seas are quite

48:11

high now and I understand why because

48:13

they offer buyer protection which basically as

48:15

far as I can tell is just

48:17

a nightmare to administer up. So there

48:19

are services that they offer that do

48:22

add to the cost of running the

48:24

platform A get it but the seller

48:26

fees are quite high. so if you

48:28

can meet up with someone in person

48:30

and as you can verify that thing

48:32

actually works then. More times

48:34

than not, it's ah, it's it's a way

48:36

to go. The. Way to

48:38

do. It will like a good

48:41

for thirty seven. He is awful. Rate.

48:43

But you weren't getting anything. With.

48:45

More than eight gigs at that price

48:48

anyway. Just. Yes,

48:50

it's awful Molson or our own only

48:52

debating man. Who.

48:55

Throws your thirteen percent is the

48:57

seller fees on cheap use at

48:59

the moment apparently deaths of best

49:01

a lot. Oh

49:04

here it can I can I it's I play this game

49:06

with you. Have. Play the

49:08

game called I'm gonna go

49:11

to amazon.com and try to

49:13

actually buy something. Ah okay.

49:15

So. I don't know. Here's a thing, I

49:17

don't know if this is gonna happen the

49:20

same way that it did when I was

49:22

sitting in scripted be with someone earlier this

49:24

week for us cause I don't know. It

49:26

seems to be just like our and gee,

49:28

let's see by what's gonna come up when

49:30

you click on something on Amazon these days.

49:32

but I was trying to figure out. What

49:35

was kind of the going rate for

49:37

us? Sixty five inch Tv because we've

49:40

got a really cool video coming on

49:42

this. Ah, Slander. Scientific. Heard. Of

49:44

them know k they do instruments. they

49:47

also do mastering monitor cause can say

49:49

wait maybe I have a yeah yes

49:51

I have All right So awful. What

49:53

is it? Slender scientific instruments as I

49:55

linked to Find Her Scientific inc sorry

49:58

for size, whatever. Flanders. came

50:00

in and was like hi diddly

50:02

ho guys I Hope

50:05

they actually said that in They

50:08

brought a 55 inch

50:10

mastering monitor. That's based on

50:12

Samsung's latest QD OLED panel,

50:15

okay And

50:18

we were writing an intro for this video and I was

50:20

like, okay, you know What would be kind of fun is

50:22

to do a bit of a like? We'll

50:25

switch you know switcheroo where we start

50:27

the video in kind of like a

50:29

ranty form Like who

50:32

would buy this thing for? $20,000

50:37

it's got bezels. It looks like it. I

50:39

dragged it out of my grandma's basement It

50:41

doesn't even come with a remote control and

50:44

it doesn't have an HDMI port for crying

50:46

out loud All

50:48

right, so we kind of roast yeah We kind

50:50

of we kind of roast it which is was

50:52

even more fun because the Flanders scientific guys were

50:54

in the room while we were filming

50:56

this the unit where they

50:58

basically hand-carried the unit because they were on

51:01

their way to do a demo somewhere or

51:03

something and Allowed us

51:05

to make a video and test it because normally we

51:07

would not have access to this kind of stuff And

51:09

then when we were done they had to take it

51:11

away with them Anyway, so we

51:13

so we do this bit and

51:15

as part of that I wanted to

51:17

have a comparison point for okay Well, what's that?

51:20

What's kind of your going rate for a 55 inch monitor

51:22

because sure you could spend $1,200 on a 55 inch Deci

51:26

monitor. Sorry the Flanders scientific is

51:28

a monitor, but I was talking TV So

51:30

you could use them like $1,200 on a 55 inch

51:33

TV, but you could also spend X

51:35

I wanted to know like how low how low

51:37

have they gotten these days? And so the exercise

51:40

was electronics Television

51:43

and video and

51:46

trying to find a television There's

51:50

one here's a 40 inch

51:52

Vizio Here's

51:56

an antenna. What even are some of these things? An

51:58

antenna? Okay. Here's a magic stick I Think

52:02

there's a song about that yeah, yeah,

52:04

yeah, it's the the penis of magic right

52:06

mm-hmm magic stick mm-hmm a Man

52:12

of culture I see here's a USB

52:14

C cable Here's

52:18

some sponsored results for a Toslink

52:21

cable. That's

52:24

cool. Did

52:27

I do something wrong? 1TV. amazon.com,

52:31

maybe. Then

52:36

answer says I've never had the issues you've had with

52:38

Amazon, but I never searched by category I just search

52:40

what I wonder if it's a category so I just

52:42

search Yeah,

52:46

I just searched the word television sure

52:48

but like I Want

52:50

to browse Luke is this

52:52

not browsing? See

52:55

look they figured it out the filters on the side are

52:57

all my god, but why? Why

53:00

is what why did what I what why is

53:02

it that what I did didn't work. I searched

53:04

TV and that works, too I'm

53:07

not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that

53:09

I you're just saying to get good. I'm

53:11

right I Mean

53:15

okay, maybe try and find it then maybe I

53:17

missed it. I legitimately don't use Amazon, so where

53:19

is it where's TV? Isn't

53:23

it in here you could try movies and television

53:25

That's not the one I click on until okay,

53:27

or what did I what did I what did

53:29

I click on exactly? I swit I looked at

53:31

televisions and video products No,

53:34

that was that was that was I don't think I have that

53:37

seriously Hold on.

53:39

I don't know I know you don't I am NOT

53:41

kidding It's under electronics. Okay.

53:43

I did yeah there. We go

53:45

there. We go. Okay, so fine. Where are the tip?

53:47

Where are the bloody TVs then television video? This

53:52

what even is that I don't know it's

53:54

cool though. It's a replacement

53:56

lamp for

53:58

a projector I guess It

54:00

looks sick. Yeah, for

54:03

a projector! Hahahaha! For

54:07

the restoration of color, it will bring you a

54:09

feeling of being immersed. People

54:14

are telling me, hold on, hold on, people are telling me I need to go, hold

54:16

on, we're going back to my screen. People are telling

54:18

me I need to go one level deeper. Oh.

54:21

No, I don't. There is no level deeper. Model Year. What's

54:23

that movie? I mean, at least

54:25

Model Year brings up some TV. Deception? Yeah, but

54:28

you gotta go deeper. I

54:30

don't think there's a deeper layer. What is this? The

54:34

Easy-Mote? The Big Button TV Remote. Yeah!

54:38

Wow, they sold 6,000 reviews of this thing. What

54:41

is this? This is a Sabrent

54:43

Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter. What

54:46

is this doing here? This

54:49

is an absolute quagmire. Get that

54:51

bread, Sabrent. And

54:53

I don't see... I'm sorry guys, I

54:55

don't see 3D? Really? What

54:59

year is it? Hahahaha!

55:03

Smart TV, you mean every TV? Okay, this might

55:05

help. This might help. Okay, so if

55:07

I click Smart TV... Then that's actually, I think,

55:09

a lot of the same results I got when

55:11

I just searched TV. That's the magic

55:13

hack. So that's the deeper level. And I

55:15

understand why you would just search TV. But

55:18

let me explain why I don't want to do

55:20

that. Sure. If you search, then

55:23

I am at the mercy of whatever you're being

55:25

paid the most to promote. I

55:28

am just letting you... But in my logic, if you go

55:30

to the department, it's the same thing. You

55:33

don't think they're going to advertise on the

55:35

department level? Well, no, because on the department

55:37

level I want filters. That's more... Or I

55:39

expect to find filters. Oh, but I got

55:41

filters. I know, but that's ridiculous. A

55:44

little bit. Why don't I get filters? Yeah,

55:48

like if I just go to your category

55:50

view, all the first results

55:52

are sponsored. 100%. Like that lamp

55:54

replacement thing is a sponsor code. Oh, I know. It

55:57

says right there. You're seeing this ad based on

55:59

the products. Real of It's Fears search

56:01

query Know I am not. Sort

56:06

of no I'm not this

56:08

to star lamp replacement is

56:10

very useful thing to do.

56:12

this is a dumpster fires.

56:16

I. Can't even believe this for us the it's

56:18

the were even is the new but nice the.

56:20

Reputation of a I don't think I did

56:22

that proper. Now you must sign for job.

56:26

Of of Amazon, other various websites

56:28

or a good says didn't or

56:30

this is unsustainable. Go.

56:32

To try Amazon so we're all and must

56:34

Really it was really wild to me is

56:36

is. Like okay, you know their the

56:38

category that I drilled down into just doesn't have

56:40

the T V's in it or whatever. I could

56:42

see that. But no,

56:44

it does because when I click on

56:47

Smart Tv. They're. All here.

56:50

They. Just didn't think. That.

56:52

That was relevant. To. My

56:55

interests and he what is is this stuff.

56:57

Okay, needs to my splitter sir. But

57:00

as Sega Genesis H T M I

57:02

adapter for the odds Amazon. What

57:04

are the odds? Hey I he

57:07

amazon is actually better. People.

57:10

Recommended that and they're not wrong. Oh

57:12

wow. So I when I went to

57:14

all and then I had to scroll

57:16

down further I think. Somebody

57:19

departments. Of. Phonics

57:21

computer in office? Is this what I did? Yarn.

57:24

And Tv and home theater. So there

57:26

was two more layers here to fight

57:28

with. A person's talking about nine months

57:30

on Tv, the theater, and it brought

57:33

me here. And then there was another

57:35

layer. Where. He does have to click

57:37

on televisions, which is fine because all these

57:39

other things are related to what have done

57:41

so far. So televisions. and then boom, I

57:43

got too much tv. so. Let's.

57:46

See some people are saying that

57:48

of on hello. Ah,

57:50

Sister did some. Some people are saying

57:53

that it might matter that it says

57:55

ship to Canada. In. The

57:57

top. So I'm changing. It's you. Why?

58:01

Is it not. Go back

58:03

to. Oh My. God. Why is it not in

58:05

the dropdown? United. States

58:07

minor outlying Islands know what might.

58:11

Is. Would Kennedy see? you know, a minor

58:14

outlying? I'm just I'm trying to find

58:16

and try to find sip to us

58:18

and abroad. America is not here. And

58:21

it's not here, Is there another? Have

58:24

they changed the name to? America? Stands? Something.

58:27

Like what? Where Where the heck is

58:29

America? Whatever.

58:32

I just I put in I put in

58:34

the only zip code I know so nio

58:36

to I know. Ah here we go as

58:38

refresh the page. Said.

58:41

Sorry. Folks are tonics. Gotta put

58:44

in a. Twenty Five

58:46

hundred television and video products? A Real Zero.

58:48

Five hundred. Or

58:51

a pool. America's

58:57

attic we are not. Nor the

59:00

hats money there for you don't

59:02

really nice hat, warm death. Of

59:04

a beaver hat he might to pay

59:06

for have sold those when we supposed

59:09

to be doing right now would even

59:11

as themselves. Up,

59:14

you know it's amazing how

59:16

much of Canada Hudson's Bay

59:18

Company owns. The

59:21

Top: One hundred years Cisco Systems like actually

59:23

owned it for country another like almost gone.

59:25

Yeah, none of what a little way to

59:27

fall Now what I am. But.

59:31

I'm not want a story arc pacific. This.

59:35

Is amazing care of actually has

59:37

some genuinely very interesting history. Oh

59:41

yeah, yeah for say, like the like actually

59:43

temp. And I'm not even just saying that

59:46

because I'm also comedian, but like it actually

59:48

does. Anyway,

59:51

it like literally was. The

59:54

for trade for a while that was

59:56

it's only point it existing and that's

59:58

why Hudson's Bay like. It was

1:00:00

super weird. I don't know. Oh, hey Luke

1:00:03

check this out. So TV

1:00:06

and video up here. Oh Hey,

1:00:11

now you know you got that Canadian page now

1:00:13

you click on television, yeah, no, no, no,

1:00:15

no, no, hold on hold on Okay. So what happened?

1:00:18

So from the home page if

1:00:21

I go here and I

1:00:23

go to Shop

1:00:25

by department see all electronics

1:00:29

TV and video What

1:00:33

happened All

1:00:44

right, at least I can find televisions now so that's

1:00:46

good so I want to know how much a 55

1:00:48

inch tea great

1:00:53

50 to 59 inches then fine Anyway,

1:01:00

we found the answer before it's about 250

1:01:02

bucks is what the kind of going rate

1:01:05

for a basic 55

1:01:07

inch TV is in fact, I think this might be the one

1:01:09

that we settled on It

1:01:12

is amazing. Oh, no, that's not it. That's 50 inches

1:01:14

It is a may be while that you can get

1:01:16

a nice 50 inch TV for to an issue that

1:01:18

here is this one TV prices

1:01:20

are something that have not gone the

1:01:22

road of graphics cards. It seems no

1:01:24

No, they'd somehow managed to keep getting

1:01:26

cheaper They they have

1:01:29

man. I've talked about this before but

1:01:31

I actually got to experience it firsthand

1:01:33

for a while firsthand

1:01:37

for the first time because For

1:01:40

the first time in my life. I

1:01:42

went to a store and bought a TV Not

1:01:46

to make a video, you know, I've only ever done

1:01:48

that once too just to Have

1:01:50

a TV so that I would have it. Yeah me

1:01:52

too. I've only ever done that once my grandparents Have

1:01:55

a had a pretty small TV. It was

1:01:57

like 38 inches or 40 inches

1:02:00

or something like that. And their vision

1:02:02

is not what it was. And they

1:02:05

do not have, at their age, they don't

1:02:07

have the capability to go to a store

1:02:09

and buy a TV at this point anymore.

1:02:11

So I was over there and they

1:02:13

were talking about, you know, some of the hassle with

1:02:16

it. And I was like, tell you what, Merry

1:02:18

Christmas, new TV, sure. So

1:02:21

we went down to visit them last

1:02:24

weekend. And I was

1:02:26

like, Oh, I still owe you your Christmas present.

1:02:28

It's late January.

1:02:32

Peace, I'll be back. And

1:02:34

so I went to London Drugs of all places because

1:02:36

it was both. That is the

1:02:38

thing. They actually have a surprisingly solid

1:02:40

electronics department. They always surprise me. They

1:02:43

carry Samsung, LG, Hisense. Oh,

1:02:46

wow. Sure. And Sony. Yeah.

1:02:49

And so I was like, okay, well,

1:02:51

let's have a look. I totally understand

1:02:53

or actually, no. I

1:03:00

don't understand how enough

1:03:02

people are buying. Makes

1:03:05

no sense, especially with shipping costs.

1:03:07

Like LG and Samsung TVs, given

1:03:10

how much more they cost. Like I

1:03:12

understand why, I understand why TCL and

1:03:14

Hisense are gaining so much ground in

1:03:16

North America right now because it was

1:03:18

literally half the price. And

1:03:22

even to my eye, I

1:03:24

was like, yeah, it looks good

1:03:26

enough for Mima and Pippa. So

1:03:29

I ended up with a high sense. I

1:03:31

know, right? Like got

1:03:34

rid of my TV buying virginity with high sense

1:03:37

of all people. Right?

1:03:40

I'll remember it forever though. Unforgettable

1:03:43

moment. So anyway, again, looking

1:03:45

at... Does

1:03:49

he have Dan Cy for buying the

1:03:51

candy? I always think about things that

1:03:53

I want to say and then they're

1:03:55

just absolutely not appropriate. Again, looking at

1:03:58

the pricing, the difference between... And 55

1:04:00

inches and 65 inches is basically negligible. So

1:04:05

I was like, okay, yeah, well, let's get them a

1:04:07

65-inch TV. Let's get something nice

1:04:09

and big so they can see

1:04:12

National Geographic or whatever it is that

1:04:14

they watch, figure skating. I don't know.

1:04:16

Cool. Yeah. My

1:04:19

grandma likes figure skating, right? Yeah. So

1:04:21

65-inch TV. Very impressive. So I took my son with me on

1:04:23

this errand because he doesn't do enough errands and I was like,

1:04:25

you're going to do an errand. Let's

1:04:28

go get a console. We needed to get a new console table because

1:04:30

we discovered, you know, we found the TV we wanted

1:04:32

and realized it had the new style stand because it's

1:04:34

cheaper for them to make with the two feet on

1:04:36

the edges instead of the single thing that kind of

1:04:38

supports it at the back. So we had to go

1:04:40

to Ikea. We had to get a little, a new

1:04:42

little console table. So we got that through in the

1:04:44

trunk. We went back to London Drugs,

1:04:47

picked up the TV that we'd gotten the quote for.

1:04:49

They had put it aside for us, dragged it out

1:04:51

to the parking lot and went, oh, doesn't fit. Good

1:04:57

lesson on running errands. Why would I drive the

1:04:59

Taycan? You were just trying to be a

1:05:02

dad who teaches his son things. Why did I take the

1:05:04

Taycan though? That's, that was it. You were trying to teach

1:05:06

him a lesson. Yeah, but why did I take the Taycan?

1:05:09

I don't know. Because I

1:05:11

didn't think about it. I didn't think we were going to

1:05:13

go out and buy a TV. No, because you were trying

1:05:15

to teach him a lesson. I'm trying to get you out

1:05:17

here, man. Come on. I would have taken the minivan. Yeah.

1:05:21

So the real reason I drove the Taycan is because I

1:05:23

like driving it and because it's electric. Yeah. I

1:05:25

hate going to the gas station. Yeah. I

1:05:27

hate it. So for those wondering,

1:05:29

for those Taycan drivers out there who

1:05:31

have a Taycan, you

1:05:34

cannot fit a 65 inch TV

1:05:36

in the trunk. Unless

1:05:43

in the rain, you

1:05:45

unbox the TV in the parking lot. Put

1:05:52

it in with about this much

1:05:54

clearance to either side. Take

1:05:57

all the accessories out. it,

1:06:00

drag the box back inside and say, hey,

1:06:02

can you throw this in the compactor for

1:06:04

me and then hope to whatever

1:06:07

day you believe in that that thing is

1:06:09

not DOA. You

1:06:13

could have, I've done stuff like

1:06:15

this before. Yeah. You could have plugged

1:06:17

it in and turned it on while you were there. Yeah,

1:06:19

I didn't think of that. That's

1:06:22

amazing. Anywho, this is actually not the best.

1:06:25

That is a different lesson. Yeah. It's

1:06:27

not the best one, but you get her done no matter what.

1:06:30

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's definitely the

1:06:32

lesson. And Mima and

1:06:34

Pippa now have... And

1:06:36

it works? A new TV. It

1:06:38

does work. Mission accomplished. Thank the

1:06:40

maker. Ty Sense in this case.

1:06:42

Yeah, yeah. Good job. I've

1:06:45

actually had to do that before. The last

1:06:47

time was by... Sorry, I started in a

1:06:50

full plane chat. Ty can't... Got

1:06:52

him. But it could in this case. So it is still a

1:06:54

Ty can. It's still a 65-inch TV. Does

1:06:57

fit in a Ty can. No, that's not the lesson.

1:07:00

That's the takeaway. I actually have had to do this

1:07:02

before, and it was way worse.

1:07:06

When we moved to... Wait, so this is the second time you've

1:07:08

moved to TV with the Ty can? No, no, it wasn't a

1:07:10

TV. Oh, okay. Yeah, no. The first

1:07:12

time I've had to do... No, I mean unpack something in a parking

1:07:14

lot. The

1:07:16

first time was way worse. It

1:07:19

was at Costco, which should give you

1:07:22

some idea where I'm going with this, and it was

1:07:24

the king-size bed frame. For

1:07:29

some reason, because I don't believe

1:07:31

in planning. I already had

1:07:33

a bunch of stuff in the back of the van. So

1:07:37

I had to completely

1:07:40

dismantle. And at Costco, I was afraid

1:07:42

to even ask them to take the

1:07:45

packaging for me. So I

1:07:47

basically petrist the crap out of

1:07:49

this thing, putting in the pieces

1:07:52

every way that I could,

1:07:54

trying to use the packaging

1:07:56

to keep the pieces

1:07:58

from destroying and scratching each other. And

1:08:00

at the end of it, I was able to... ...shove

1:08:04

the trunk latched. Completely

1:08:07

bolted. Completely solid. Yeah,

1:08:11

so, um... Plan

1:08:14

ahead. You won't.

1:08:16

Well, like what? I'm gonna pay for delivery? Come

1:08:19

on. Oh

1:08:24

man, and like that, that bed frame, it was

1:08:26

wrapped in that, you know, that really, really thin

1:08:28

foam wrap. So it was wrapped in that, it

1:08:31

was a windy day, and it was like blowing all over the place. I

1:08:34

was in the loading zone in front of the store, some

1:08:36

people were like watching me do this. I'm

1:08:40

pretty sure at least one person walked by and was

1:08:42

like, hey, Linus. Cause like, it's not like I'm anonymous.

1:08:47

Oh my goodness. That's

1:08:50

fantastic. Won't pay $10 for delivery, so I'll spend

1:08:53

two hours bagging it. But yeah, that's two hours

1:08:55

that he wasn't working. Delivery

1:08:58

for $10? I can't get Uber Eats delivered

1:09:00

for $10. Never mind a TV, what

1:09:02

are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:06

What's that line that Bill Gates... Do a backflip.

1:09:08

Bill Gates, the Bill Gates character on The Simpsons

1:09:10

says, you don't get rich by writing a lot

1:09:12

of checks or something like that. Yeah.

1:09:17

Oh man. That's such a great scene when his

1:09:19

goons come in and just start like trashing Homer's

1:09:21

living room. I

1:09:24

don't know if I've seen that. He created

1:09:26

like a website, right? Yeah. Something like homer.com

1:09:28

with all the junk on it and the

1:09:30

ads. Yeah, and he was just bandwagoning on

1:09:32

the.com. Get them boys! Yeah,

1:09:35

and so Bill Gates rolls up and is like,

1:09:37

we'd like to acquire your company. And it turns

1:09:39

out acquire just means like wreck the joint. Cause

1:09:42

it was like a home server that was basically

1:09:45

just his computer. And they just destroy it with

1:09:47

baseball bats. I

1:09:50

wish the internet worked more like that. Your

1:09:52

website is cancer. We're

1:09:55

just gonna destroy it. We're supposed to explain merch messages.

1:09:58

So the way to interact with the show is to leave a merch. message

1:10:01

Don't do super fat don't do a twitch bet. It's

1:10:03

not like twitch needs more money actually they probably kind

1:10:05

of do we'll talk about that later Actually,

1:10:08

why don't we yeah? Why don't we expand that thing

1:10:10

we were doing before the show into a bit of

1:10:12

a more of a topic? Twitch and

1:10:15

the no good very bad week Joke

1:10:17

amane left. Yeah, yeah, so

1:10:20

that's that's interesting hey who? merch

1:10:23

messages all you got to do is head to LTT store

1:10:25

calm and Put

1:10:27

something in your cart, and you will see a

1:10:30

box from merch messages once

1:10:32

you complete your order It'll go to our producer

1:10:34

Dan there is Who

1:10:37

will either forward it to the appropriate party?

1:10:39

Reapply to it himself or curate

1:10:41

it for me and Luke to

1:10:43

respond to we've got a couple

1:10:45

of merch Announcements before

1:10:47

we do a couple of merch messages to show you guys

1:10:49

kind of how it works first up

1:10:52

We have a new newsletter this week

1:10:54

going through the minor backpack. Oh here

1:10:56

it is So

1:10:59

make sure you are signed up for

1:11:01

the newsletter because we are trying to

1:11:03

provide some really cool behind-the-scenes content Tatiana

1:11:06

actually hosted a video over on

1:11:09

floatplane where she went through that

1:11:11

Backpack that had been used in a

1:11:13

coal mine and contrasted it with a

1:11:15

brand new one This was in the

1:11:17

lead-up to the discovery that the bottom

1:11:19

panel was not actually doubled So there's

1:11:21

some really cool learnables from all of

1:11:23

this from our materials expert What

1:11:26

else do we have as an update for the merch team? Okay,

1:11:31

I am a little confused by this

1:11:33

one oh Okay,

1:11:37

we have a 3d down jacket promo

1:11:39

right now I'm just gonna have to go

1:11:41

to the store to make sure that

1:11:43

this is working But

1:11:46

as winter reaches sort of the end of winter

1:11:52

Ah Jackets here we go if

1:11:55

you order the 3d down jacket, which

1:11:57

is a relatively light jacket, but very

1:12:00

warm for how thin it is. Good

1:12:02

reviews. And there you go. You

1:12:04

get free shipping for your entire order. Oh.

1:12:06

So if you live somewhere where shipping is

1:12:08

expensive and there was some stuff that you

1:12:11

were planning to pick up anyway, then maybe

1:12:14

pick up a 3D down jacket at what

1:12:16

will amount to a pretty sizable discount. So

1:12:19

you just got to click that box and

1:12:22

you fill out this thing and it's pretty

1:12:24

cool. And then you go ahead and check

1:12:26

out your order. The last thing we have

1:12:28

going on on the store this week is

1:12:30

is precision screwdriver notification signups. There's going to

1:12:33

be a couple of reasons that you're going

1:12:35

to want to sign up for the precision

1:12:37

screwdriver notification. So that's right here on the

1:12:39

home page where work meets play because it's

1:12:42

that's cute with a twist because it's got

1:12:45

a really nice hybrid ceramic

1:12:47

bearing in the top. So it'll spin for like

1:12:49

a minute if you just kind

1:12:51

of lightly give it a little spin.

1:12:54

Anyway, there's two reasons you're going to want to sign up

1:12:56

first is you'll be the first to know when you can

1:12:58

buy it and second is you

1:13:00

will be in the pool to potentially get a

1:13:03

chance to be one of the first 100 for

1:13:06

that first batch of top of production

1:13:08

samples. And then after that

1:13:10

everyone else is going to have to wait for

1:13:12

mass production. So you could end up with it

1:13:14

much much earlier than anyone else. Alright, Dan, do

1:13:16

you want to hit us with a couple of

1:13:19

merge messages? Yeah, I've got some here for you.

1:13:22

Hi, LOD. What do you think about pal

1:13:24

world? Luke, how do you feel about regionals

1:13:26

in Pokemon go? Do

1:13:28

you even do Pokemon go, Luke? I'm going to let you... I

1:13:30

do. Yeah, I use a Pokemon go though. I didn't know that.

1:13:34

I disagree with pretty much all of the things

1:13:36

that the Pokemon go community seems to care about

1:13:38

because I play it for wildly

1:13:40

different reasons that I think most people do. So

1:13:43

I don't care at all about regionals in

1:13:45

Pokemon go. I don't even

1:13:47

care slightly. For you, it's just more of a like

1:13:49

touch grass thing, right? Yeah, so

1:13:51

like whenever there's some feature... I thought that was the whole

1:13:53

point of Pokemon go. Am I missing something? Oh,

1:13:56

oh, okay. I would... Can

1:13:59

I just say... that I would like if

1:14:01

I'm going to be cancelled I

1:14:05

would like for it to be for something

1:14:07

other than Pokemon go This

1:14:09

is the only time I've actually feared

1:14:12

for my job I

1:14:14

thought it was... You're poking the hornet's nest here That

1:14:17

reaction when he's like, oh we're here now

1:14:20

Let me address the community really quick before

1:14:22

we go further Not that I'm not going

1:14:24

to go further Control me,

1:14:26

control me You're

1:14:29

going to use those mute buttons and now would be the time loop

1:14:31

Oh man, that was really funny I'd

1:14:33

like if I'm going to get cancelled, can it at least be

1:14:35

for something cool? You know, like... I

1:14:39

don't know, and like graffiti I don't know

1:14:43

People would absolutely hate all

1:14:47

my takes on Pokemon go And that's fine,

1:14:49

and they can just be mad about things

1:14:51

and that's okay But yeah, I don't really

1:14:53

care about regionals If a regional happens Can

1:14:55

you explain what a regional is for those

1:14:57

of us who don't Pokemon go? Got it,

1:14:59

certain Pokemon are only available to be caught

1:15:01

in certain areas of the world Right I

1:15:05

don't need them Right I

1:15:08

don't care Right And now if I happen

1:15:10

to be there and I get one Right Neat

1:15:13

And then for anyone in that region, I

1:15:15

guess it's like... If

1:15:17

you want it that bad, then you can Pokemon come

1:15:21

Rather than go Yeah

1:15:24

Come get it Yeah, totally Totally

1:15:26

Probably a different game It also

1:15:29

incentivizes like... I

1:15:32

wouldn't be surprised if it exists though Probably exists Yeah What

1:15:35

is it? Rule something? Yeah Oh,

1:15:41

there's so many jokes there, but I'm just going to leave it where it

1:15:43

is But like when I was in

1:15:46

Japan, there's an

1:15:48

APAC regional That was just far-fetched

1:15:50

So I caught a bunch of them Yeah When I came back, I've

1:15:53

just been giving them to people when I'm back So you don't even

1:15:55

have to go get it yourself If

1:15:57

someone you know or someone in the Pokemon

1:15:59

community around... you which it's

1:16:02

very likely one of them will travel at some point happens

1:16:04

to go somewhere and gets a bunch of them you can

1:16:06

just trade them something when they can come back and then

1:16:08

you get it like it just I don't know who cares

1:16:10

why do you care but

1:16:14

I mean it's literally the tagline

1:16:16

of the entire franchise you've got

1:16:18

to catch them all okay okay I just know

1:16:20

but this is a very good point I've just

1:16:22

said I know it is I've been mulling on

1:16:25

this thing that I make very good points once

1:16:27

we won't time we both know I'm never gonna

1:16:29

make this and that one time but I've been

1:16:31

enjoying the mental idea I've been mulling on this

1:16:33

video idea of we all suck at

1:16:36

playing video games hmm and

1:16:39

my whole doing a whole point is that we're doing

1:16:41

it wrong yeah

1:16:44

we never never just cuz the tag no I'm

1:16:46

not saying blame the community video rarely goes over

1:16:48

well yeah yeah yeah just cuz the tagline is

1:16:50

got to catch them all does not mean that

1:16:52

you've got to catch them all like

1:16:54

you should find a way that you have

1:16:56

fun in a game and then do that

1:16:58

right but I

1:17:00

mean let's look at the Pokemon companies entire

1:17:03

raison d'etre like why do they create new

1:17:05

Pokemon so that you won't have them all

1:17:07

like they know this is a compulsive

1:17:09

and behavior for people that they need

1:17:12

to have them all and they and

1:17:14

they feed that they do it on

1:17:16

purpose for sure they not only do you have to have them

1:17:18

all you have to have them all in this game then you

1:17:20

have to have them all in cards oh by the way did

1:17:22

I mention there are shiny cards you need to have them all

1:17:24

in that for their shiny Pokemon digital you

1:17:27

need digital cards for the digital game so

1:17:29

you can play it online don't forget about

1:17:31

all the collectibles well you're gonna have to

1:17:33

have all of those too I mean the

1:17:35

whole thing is just designed to exploit people

1:17:37

who just compulsively need to collect things right

1:17:39

certain read it to a certain degree you

1:17:43

should want that because that means there's more

1:17:45

content but you just

1:17:47

got to not be obsessive about the content oh

1:17:49

my god listen to this guy you just got

1:17:51

to not be obsessive do you have any idea

1:17:53

you're talking to I don't

1:17:57

know these are people who are so into computers that they

1:17:59

are now There's this

1:18:01

thing called Shadow Ridge. They are

1:18:03

an hour and twenty three minutes

1:18:06

into this podcast about f***ing nothing.

1:18:09

What have we even talked about? Yeah, but we're

1:18:12

second monitor. We're not obsessed.

1:18:14

Hold on. We're second monitor. Let's find out

1:18:16

what monitor we're on. I'm putting up a poll. You

1:18:18

gotta include third as well. You're on my

1:18:20

fourth. Fourth? Yeah, but... We

1:18:22

gotta stop it somewhere. I do

1:18:24

need more. We still have to talk about that.

1:18:27

Oh my goodness. We'll get you one

1:18:29

of those 55 inch TVs and just divide it up. No,

1:18:32

that doesn't work. I did that at home and

1:18:34

it's terrible for productivity. I miss multiple monitors. Yeah,

1:18:36

multiple monitors are great. Oh man, two minute poll.

1:18:38

Here we go. Alright, Luke, carry on.

1:18:40

Okay, so this is gonna be nothing to you, but there's

1:18:42

a thing in the game called Shadow Raids. And

1:18:45

in... Just leave. Well, it's

1:18:47

nothing to me. I was gonna get a snack.

1:18:49

That worked. I can park the computer. No, I'm

1:18:51

actually kidding. Okay, it worked. So,

1:18:54

over the pandemic, I quit playing over the pandemic

1:18:56

because the reason I would play it was to

1:18:58

go outside. But over the

1:19:00

pandemic, they added something called a remote raid pass.

1:19:03

If you wanted to do a raid, you could buy, because

1:19:05

I don't think there was any opportunity to get them

1:19:07

for free. Maybe there was at some point. There isn't

1:19:09

now. You could buy a remote raid pass. Sure, but...

1:19:12

Ken, sorry, can I interrupt for a second? What if I wanted to

1:19:14

catch something other than a bug type? Well,

1:19:20

raid wouldn't be very effective if you eat the

1:19:22

bear. Oh my god! Actually,

1:19:26

I have to applaud you for that one. It's very

1:19:28

good. I wasn't sure where you were

1:19:30

going. That was pretty good. That was pretty good.

1:19:32

Raid is a brand of insecticide here in North

1:19:34

America if it doesn't exist elsewhere. Yeah, yeah. Raid

1:19:37

is usually for more rare types

1:19:40

of Pokémon. I think the most commonly done one by

1:19:42

at least groups of people would be legendary raids, which

1:19:44

are the harder ones. They

1:19:46

introduced these remote raid passes so you wouldn't have

1:19:48

to go outside in order to raid. A

1:19:51

cool idea! They're primarily on primary monitors. Just

1:19:55

saying. Wow. That's

1:19:57

the float plane people though. Yeah, for what? said

1:20:00

they all use fireflies. Why

1:20:04

don't you make this point that you are

1:20:07

apparently going to make it eventually. Okay, okay.

1:20:10

Um, um, oh,

1:20:13

I just poked that hive. Can

1:20:16

you not antagonize our

1:20:20

most loyal die-hard community members,

1:20:22

please? So there's these things

1:20:24

called remote raid passes. Really cool idea during

1:20:26

the pandemic. They still exist, whatever sounds good.

1:20:29

People are really pissed that you can't do more of them per

1:20:31

day. Right, raids. Remote raids.

1:20:33

Remote raids. You can do as many local raids as you want. Oh,

1:20:36

okay. But you have to actually get off your

1:20:38

chair. Go there. Yeah. And

1:20:40

go there. Um, I heard a lot of them are like churches

1:20:42

and stuff now or something, like a lot of locations or gyms.

1:20:45

Gyms. Yeah,

1:20:47

like churches have embraced like the whole Pokemon gym

1:20:49

thing so that people will go to them. Sure.

1:20:52

Anyway, that's a whole probably separate conversation. Yeah.

1:20:55

Anyways. It works, to be honest, because people show

1:20:57

up for like a few minutes and leave. They

1:20:59

don't really, anyways, whatever. Um, but

1:21:02

shadow raids, you, which

1:21:04

have a certain type of Pokemon, don't worry about it, doesn't

1:21:06

matter. You can't remote raid into them. And

1:21:09

shadow raids, shadow legendaries, so like

1:21:11

a shadow Zapdos is only going

1:21:13

to show up on the weekend.

1:21:16

Uh, they can't see it. They have to move. You

1:21:18

and I. Lou created a poll called... I did not.

1:21:20

Dan did this. Dan, why? They've

1:21:24

kept it perfectly neutral. I respect

1:21:27

that a lot. Good job, guys. That's actually amazing.

1:21:29

It's 50-50. This

1:21:32

poll here is, is everyone on float plane

1:21:34

a liar? Yes. Yes. Look

1:21:37

at the polls close. That was for him more than

1:21:40

anything. So sorry about that. I

1:21:47

find that amazingly entertaining that it's 50-50. Good

1:21:50

job, float plane. That's impressive. I'm

1:21:53

genuinely impressed. You guys are great. These shadow

1:21:55

legendaries, they only happen on weekends. You

1:21:58

can't remote raid. You

1:22:01

can't remote raid pass into them. That

1:22:03

has created this emergent behavior where

1:22:05

I will try to organize with people to

1:22:07

meet up on the weekend and go walk

1:22:10

around and do these raids. Right, so you

1:22:12

imagine that's really cool. So you're the true

1:22:14

Scotsman. That's fantastic. No one else is a

1:22:16

true Scotsman. That's exactly what I want. And

1:22:18

people are mad because they want to be

1:22:20

able to remote raid pass into shadow raids.

1:22:22

And I'm like, actually, I would rather if

1:22:24

we couldn't. Because

1:22:27

now, if people want this thing, if

1:22:29

people are going to go catch them all, then they're going

1:22:31

to have to come out for a walk. Right,

1:22:34

OK. So I have differing opinions

1:22:36

to the majority of the community, which is fine.

1:22:38

They can want to play the game however they

1:22:40

want to play the game. That's no problem. But

1:22:44

I play Pokemon Go for a reason that I don't think

1:22:46

most people do. Right. I

1:22:50

play it because this weekend,

1:22:52

there's a thing going on. And I'm probably going

1:22:54

to walk like 15 plus kilometers in a day.

1:22:57

And that's great because getting myself to do

1:22:59

that without a gamified

1:23:01

motivation is harder. But

1:23:04

now I'm excited to go walk a crazy amount of kilometers.

1:23:07

Some people are just going to put a bunch of lures

1:23:09

down and sit on their butt for the entire

1:23:11

event. And that will be

1:23:13

very effective. But I don't care. Well, they can just

1:23:15

be kind of like the NPCs in

1:23:17

that region. Yeah. Like, yeah,

1:23:19

the trainers that are just like walking back

1:23:21

and forth between two paths. And

1:23:24

they're like, I'm like, bug poke a rod. And the grass, do

1:23:26

you want to battle? That would

1:23:28

be fantastic. If

1:23:30

you don't move enough, you should turn into an NPC.

1:23:33

And when people encounter you, you should have to battle

1:23:35

or something. Is that a thing? Is

1:23:38

that a mechanic they have? Because it's not. They totally get it.

1:23:40

This is pretty sweet. Like, if you don't move, you're just one

1:23:42

of the people on route six or whatever. It puts

1:23:44

a vision cone in front of you. Anyone

1:23:47

that walks in front, it challenges them to battle.

1:23:52

So I said, I agree. But as a wheelchair user, there needs

1:23:54

to be a wheelchair mode. Wouldn't you

1:23:56

just wheelchair around? Well, it depends.

1:23:58

Not everywhere is wheelchair mode. wheelchair accessible,

1:24:01

like man, it is... That's

1:24:03

fair. Where I go to every time I do

1:24:05

one of these is very wheelchair accessible. I had

1:24:08

a pretty bad knee injury a number of years ago.

1:24:10

But I understand not everywhere. Such

1:24:12

that like walking was actually really

1:24:15

hard. It was shocking, like

1:24:17

how hard it is to get around anywhere. And

1:24:19

I was still on my feet. It's

1:24:22

crazy. And the

1:24:24

thing is that like as someone who's working

1:24:26

on a building right now, if you guys

1:24:28

missed it, we uploaded a video earlier this

1:24:30

week outlining the plans for the Badminton

1:24:32

Center slash LAN Gaming Center. As someone

1:24:34

who's working on a building right now,

1:24:36

I recognize

1:24:39

a lot of the really good things that

1:24:41

are being done in the building code to

1:24:43

make things more accessible. You have to have

1:24:45

handy accessible spots. You have to have X

1:24:48

percentage of handy accessible washroom stalls and

1:24:50

sinks and all of that kind of

1:24:52

stuff. So your counters have

1:24:54

to be such that you can roll up to

1:24:57

them and use them. All that's really

1:24:59

good. But what's interesting is

1:25:01

that building code just straight up doesn't

1:25:03

apply to anything that was already built. And

1:25:06

98% of everything... Actually,

1:25:10

no, 100% of everything is

1:25:12

already built, like today. There

1:25:15

will be things that exist that will become that they

1:25:17

have been built. But my point is just that the

1:25:19

overwhelming majority of things were built before

1:25:21

that and the planning was terrible. So

1:25:26

yeah, that's totally

1:25:28

a fair point and that's something that

1:25:30

Niantic should address. But

1:25:32

I also don't think that that invalidates

1:25:35

Luke's point that a lot of

1:25:37

people are able-bodied and just

1:25:41

don't want to go out. I would love if there

1:25:43

was solutions for that type of stuff. I'm not against

1:25:45

solutions for that type of stuff. I think there's ways

1:25:47

to accomplish that, like maybe make it

1:25:49

that you can invite a maximum

1:25:51

amount of people to remote raids per

1:25:53

day and you have to be a certain level of

1:25:55

friends with them. Because there's a...

1:25:57

If you hadn't stolen my phone... Forget

1:26:01

what happened until now he was

1:26:03

there. There's a there's a third,

1:26:05

there's multiple ass is a tentative

1:26:07

and out so you can use

1:26:09

to host which I'll do sometimes

1:26:11

or or to to promote rate

1:26:13

in common people think so at.

1:26:15

The key element is fully digital

1:26:17

now. Ah, I'm. I.

1:26:22

Don't know. I I understand the countering

1:26:24

argument because you can play the game

1:26:26

more. See, I'd honestly probably enjoy it

1:26:28

more, inflated a more competitive level and

1:26:31

all these other types of things, and

1:26:33

be much more immersed and. In

1:26:35

the Pokemon Go Experience. Is.

1:26:39

Ah, you're able to remote redraw more and

1:26:41

you're able to the cats more things from

1:26:43

your house like hipster catch radius is bigger

1:26:45

as he can get more things your house

1:26:47

or all the safest us I get that.

1:26:49

but the reason why want to play the

1:26:51

game personally. On. A personal level. Is

1:26:54

because it gets me outside of moving and

1:26:56

more active and and in the sun. And.

1:26:59

All that type of stuff I'm.

1:27:01

My. Motivation is less about pokemon. It's.

1:27:04

More about personal health and fitness and

1:27:06

well being and stuff like that. So.

1:27:11

I. Like the idea that I don't have to

1:27:13

do those things alone. And

1:27:15

I have genuinely received the response. I've been like

1:27:17

i want to go do this thing like let's

1:27:19

go to us whatever, park and walk around and

1:27:22

and you as much as we can't I genuinely

1:27:24

received a response of like I've promised can hang

1:27:26

out at home I'll have remote rate it. And.

1:27:29

It's like, ah, That.

1:27:32

Sucks. Oh No. By.

1:27:34

I. Teach. Their own right

1:27:36

if we just than half an hour on the

1:27:38

first of the tumors messages for so he really

1:27:40

didn't even answer the full cost and oh was

1:27:42

the coolest the class and also what you think

1:27:45

of how the world allowed. I.

1:27:47

Played it. Ah, I hope it's

1:27:49

a major wake up call the pokemon and that's honestly

1:27:51

pretty much my only philly, but it's. There

1:27:53

it's the best Pokemon game that has

1:27:55

released. In. Many years it

1:27:58

makes what it was a called. Legend

1:28:00

of our kiss or something was I can tell

1:28:02

him no whatever it was even called because it

1:28:04

didn't matter at all. it makes that came with

1:28:06

like a joke. Yeah. And

1:28:09

hopefully. Game. Freak wakes

1:28:11

up. And. Does something without Ip

1:28:13

because it's incredibly frustrating. As like a

1:28:15

person who does like pokemon. That.

1:28:18

The pushed him first. I.

1:28:20

Know Dan, it's not like Nintendo is an

1:28:22

internal Nintendo can be really stasi and really

1:28:25

kind of set in their ways that they

1:28:27

can also be. An edgy

1:28:29

and unique and fun. and so yeah, I

1:28:31

don't see why they couldn't. Decent thing a

1:28:33

little more creative with the put them on

1:28:35

I Pm in you look at lives in

1:28:37

a Super Mario Rpg or other. Yeah, sure.

1:28:40

That's already given receiving evolving

1:28:43

improving. A how ironic that

1:28:45

pokemon wouldn't evolve. Yeah

1:28:48

for real though at we should do

1:28:50

or ah, super chat really quick hear

1:28:52

someone didn't get the memo and sent

1:28:54

a two hundred dollars Supertax. That is

1:28:56

a perfect way for me to highlights

1:28:58

why we don't do super chats and

1:29:01

why we moved away from using this

1:29:03

dashboard entirely. Check this out! Ah! Eight.

1:29:06

Love the town all ah I'm gonna so

1:29:08

has getting new until Two Patreon Super cool

1:29:10

site. Kind of crazy that semiconductor manufacturing is

1:29:12

like coming back to the states. Who.

1:29:14

The Sunk. Its any who look at

1:29:16

this. I've. Had people call me

1:29:18

out on this and Satan the landslide. The dashboard

1:29:21

is perfect. No, I didn't

1:29:23

lie, the dashboard is not perfect. That

1:29:26

message. To. A

1:29:28

I can't apparently and select

1:29:30

it on any who is

1:29:32

not here. It's

1:29:35

not stand up and says he refreshed the viewer

1:29:37

activity. Know it's it's not here to get out.

1:29:41

Due to do did. Not.

1:29:48

There and eventually things do fall off.

1:29:50

Yeah, that will go with that's only

1:29:52

still there because it's such a big

1:29:54

donations that's the bugs. That

1:29:56

made us to messages in the first place.

1:29:59

And. Many years. The go with that. To.

1:30:01

Three. Somewhere. Around there,

1:30:03

yet it's still not. Fixed.

1:30:07

How. Is that even possible? Like

1:30:09

tell me something, How complicated as

1:30:12

the database? That needs

1:30:14

to store these text inputs. With

1:30:17

text entries. Because. This is is

1:30:19

more complicated than an Excel sheet. Help me

1:30:21

out here Will ya? No no but only

1:30:23

you Tube scale yada yada yada yada. By

1:30:26

the that it shouldn't be a big deal.

1:30:28

He has a story, user name and amount,

1:30:30

a time stamp on a flipping it should

1:30:32

not message deal for you to to do.

1:30:35

It the it doesn't even have to storage image.

1:30:37

Anything like it's. Are. You

1:30:39

Kidding me? For.

1:30:42

A man. That's why. And

1:30:45

as for why don't turn them off of people want badly

1:30:47

enough to do things wrong. And I say part of the.

1:30:53

Hi. Dan Hesse anonymous message surface I

1:30:55

don't look and Linus to I

1:30:57

guess what industry have you been

1:30:59

Small Surprised by the amount or

1:31:01

kinds of technology that they use.

1:31:06

Nervous, vowed to smoke Think I'm more surprised

1:31:08

by the opposite. A

1:31:11

ones that don't use technology or or

1:31:13

that like oh, they're still running the

1:31:15

same computer with serial cables from the

1:31:17

like early nineties I remember finding out

1:31:19

and like some thousand and Ten or

1:31:21

something like that that are one of

1:31:23

our competitors. That and Sachs still used

1:31:25

Sachs to play steals. Depends.

1:31:28

email them like obviously I don't know

1:31:30

if this isn't the dockery now but

1:31:32

Japan is dealing with like the fact

1:31:34

that a bunch of businesses are still

1:31:36

sending the government like floppy disks the

1:31:38

apparently they just change the legislation that

1:31:40

source that. So maybe they can. Finally

1:31:43

moved past the floppy disk

1:31:45

at after all these years

1:31:47

all these decades. Ah will

1:31:49

say being in Japan a

1:31:51

lot of the. More.

1:31:54

Tactile things still being

1:31:56

around. Is. kind of nice

1:31:58

more things tend to have physical buttons.

1:32:02

More things tend to have moving physical components

1:32:05

involved that don't seem like they're going to

1:32:07

break often. Did I ever tell the story

1:32:10

about getting the insurance and registration taken care of

1:32:12

for my car? Oh,

1:32:15

yeah. And how not only

1:32:17

did they require facts, like

1:32:19

signed facts,

1:32:23

but they actually required the original

1:32:25

form for the business registration for

1:32:27

the dealer to be mailed to

1:32:30

the insurance broker in order to

1:32:32

register the car, because some

1:32:35

ICBC is our insurance provider in BC. They

1:32:37

have a monopoly, because that's legal for some

1:32:39

reason. If anyone was looking

1:32:41

for a platform to get elected

1:32:43

on in BC, it would be

1:32:45

to abolish ICBC's monopoly. And then,

1:32:48

instant, you're elected, just in case anyone's wondering.

1:32:50

Anyway, the point is, yeah,

1:32:53

the fact that even a fax wasn't

1:32:55

considered good enough. How

1:32:58

is anything more than an email required?

1:33:00

I just am baffled by that. And

1:33:03

then, yeah, the fact that things have to be

1:33:05

physically present for signatures always blows me away. The

1:33:09

superb owl is coming up really

1:33:11

soon. Sports tech is really cool.

1:33:13

Sports tech is really cool, especially

1:33:16

in the NFL, actually. Yeah. Wow.

1:33:18

I mean, have you seen how? Have you watched an

1:33:20

NHL game recently, hockey game? No. I

1:33:25

heard we're doing well, but no. Remember

1:33:27

how bad those digitally superimposed boards at?

1:33:29

They're insane now. They're really good now.

1:33:32

I have seen that. I have seen

1:33:34

that. They like moving stuff and looking

1:33:38

good. Yeah. Yeah. But

1:33:42

genuinely, if you're into

1:33:44

tech at all, even if you hate

1:33:47

sports, if you look into the tech

1:33:49

that the NFL uses for

1:33:52

NFL games, it's really

1:33:55

pretty wild. That is actually an

1:33:57

extremely tech forward. organization.

1:34:01

Yep. Yeah. You

1:34:03

wouldn't know it from all the NFL

1:34:05

co-branded merchandise. We did that video

1:34:07

where we bought Sports Tech. The

1:34:10

cheapest, cheapest of AliExpress garbage

1:34:12

with a silk screen logo on it.

1:34:14

It was amazing. Yeah. But

1:34:17

when it comes to their games and like how they do reffing and all this

1:34:19

other kind of stuff, really impressive. Yeah,

1:34:22

Hawkeye is super cool. I

1:34:24

might have some news about Hawkeye for you.

1:34:27

Oh. Yeah, well here, why

1:34:29

don't I first explain what Hawkeye is. It's what

1:34:31

they use for tennis, badminton. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:34:34

To track the projectile. I

1:34:36

didn't realize this, but it's not actually

1:34:38

that the camera array is seeing

1:34:41

where the ball landed or

1:34:44

where the shuttle landed. It's

1:34:46

that it is calculating based on

1:34:48

the initial trajectory where

1:34:50

it will go. So

1:34:52

Hawkeye might not

1:34:55

actually always be right because

1:34:58

this is less true of a tennis

1:35:00

ball probably where – You could do

1:35:02

like a NASA style key compute thing

1:35:05

where you have Hawkeye try to figure it out and you

1:35:07

have something that watches it and tries to figure it out.

1:35:09

Well, I think they do have that. Okay.

1:35:12

But it has to make a decision and

1:35:15

it is the final call. Hawkeye

1:35:17

is? Yeah. Because Hawkeye only comes

1:35:19

out, at least in badminton. I don't know how it works

1:35:21

in tennis. In badminton, Hawkeye only

1:35:23

comes out in the event of a challenge. So

1:35:26

they have – E-Rob

1:35:28

18, full-plane chat. I don't necessarily know how

1:35:30

true this is, but I've worked with Hawkeye

1:35:33

at a Grand Slam tennis tournament. It's not

1:35:35

100%. Yeah. They use a lot

1:35:37

of cameras. I know they

1:35:39

use a lot of cameras. It's

1:35:41

like in the dozens, if I recall correctly.

1:35:44

Like it's a flipping ton of them. But

1:35:47

aside from the cameras, my understanding –

1:35:49

and hey, feel free to correct me.

1:35:51

My understanding is that the cameras are

1:35:54

more about feeding data into

1:35:56

the computational engine that decides

1:35:58

where it landed. because

1:36:00

the point of contact

1:36:03

is so much smaller than the

1:36:05

actual projectile. Think about it. For

1:36:07

a tennis ball, only the part

1:36:10

that mushes touched the court.

1:36:13

And if the edge of the ball that doesn't mush

1:36:15

onto the ground is over the

1:36:17

line, well, that doesn't count. So no

1:36:19

camera, unless it was positioned at ground

1:36:22

level, is going to

1:36:24

actually see how much that ball compressed,

1:36:26

or in the case of the shuttle,

1:36:28

how much the cork compresses and

1:36:32

hit the ground. So they cannot see

1:36:34

where it landed. They just have to have

1:36:37

a pretty good idea of where it landed. And in tennis, I could

1:36:39

see this being less of a problem. But

1:36:41

in badminton, the shuttle is

1:36:43

fragile. So

1:36:45

if you knock a feather off of it with

1:36:48

a really powerful smash or something like that, this

1:36:51

trajectory may not be as

1:36:55

anticipated. Man,

1:36:58

sports projectiles are a fun rabbit hole.

1:37:01

Have you ever watched a baseball get made? Yeah.

1:37:05

They apparently tried to cost them down

1:37:07

and make it machine sewn or

1:37:09

something. And

1:37:11

they were like, no, this doesn't work. So they are hand

1:37:13

sewn. Every

1:37:15

single baseball that the players are just

1:37:17

like, huck into the fans, which they

1:37:19

should. And that's part of the experience of the ball

1:37:21

game. Like, hand pressed.

1:37:24

What? What's that

1:37:26

thing about like... Badminton shuttles, too. Man,

1:37:29

badminton shuttle manufacturing is wild. The fact

1:37:31

that they only cost like about

1:37:36

a dollar fifty wholesale

1:37:38

US is mind

1:37:41

blowing to me. Yeah,

1:37:45

baseball rubbing mud. Anyway,

1:37:47

Dan, tell us about Hawkeye. Yeah,

1:37:50

so we had some really good feedback

1:37:52

after the Badminton Center video came out.

1:37:54

And some people have been recommending a

1:37:56

bunch of equipment, especially for the audio,

1:37:58

like something like Q-SYS. came up a

1:38:00

lot and so I

1:38:02

did some digging with Matt and apparently

1:38:05

Q-SYS has a lot of partnerships with

1:38:07

Intel and Dell and

1:38:09

then also with Sony and

1:38:12

so apparently Sony also

1:38:14

works intensely with Hawkeye and we

1:38:17

may... This

1:38:21

is sounding really expensive. We

1:38:23

may be able to get a Hawkeye system.

1:38:26

What? Maybe we'll

1:38:29

see. There might be some

1:38:31

major partnership stuff but we'll have to see.

1:38:33

How much, Dan? I don't know.

1:38:36

But like full

1:38:38

Sony badminton center build out. But

1:38:48

if you could have a Hawkeye

1:38:50

system. Ah,

1:38:55

okay. Like

1:38:57

just it would be installed and it would be

1:39:00

permanent. It would be yours. Because generally

1:39:02

you rent them just for people in

1:39:05

the audience. My understanding. Or

1:39:07

people in the audience. We do a Hawkeye video and then...

1:39:11

We do a Hawkeye video, we explain the system,

1:39:13

we do a full badminton. Not

1:39:16

only is it so cool, that would be a

1:39:18

sick video. It would be an incredible video. And

1:39:21

then we put that in with the Q-SYS system

1:39:23

because they've got some really amazing... They're all based

1:39:25

on Dell servers. Q-SYS

1:39:27

is sort of like the same

1:39:30

audio management system that we're planning to

1:39:32

put in. Okay, like Dante. Yeah, but it

1:39:34

works with Dante. There's a

1:39:36

controller box and

1:39:38

all of them are kind of in the same

1:39:40

kind of integration thing. They've got some... Okay. And

1:39:43

then they're also partnered with Sony. So you know

1:39:45

how we're gonna have our TVs all over the

1:39:48

lobby? Yeah, yeah. So Q-SYS

1:39:50

actually has a partnership with Sony

1:39:52

because the Sony professional display

1:39:54

TVs have a Q-SYS

1:39:57

integration. So all of

1:39:59

the media and everything... can be controlled under the

1:40:01

same banner in the same system. Okay, so we

1:40:03

really need to change a lot of stuff. Well,

1:40:05

we'll see. We have an order date, yeah. It

1:40:07

might be worth it. I was just planning to

1:40:09

buy cheap TCLs and then replace them when they

1:40:11

burn out. Yeah. And

1:40:13

put USB sticks in them with a looping

1:40:15

video. That was actually the plan. It was

1:40:17

minimum viable product. Well, I mean, all of

1:40:20

it was designed under minimum viable product. Well,

1:40:22

except the facility could easily accommodate

1:40:25

what Dan's talking about. Yeah, yeah,

1:40:27

yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry.

1:40:30

So basically, what we did, just to give

1:40:32

you guys a bit more context here, is

1:40:35

we built amazing

1:40:37

bones. Yeah. And

1:40:39

then we planned to put the cheapest

1:40:42

possible flesh on them. Yeah. With

1:40:45

the idea being that in the

1:40:47

future, we would... You could upgrade

1:40:50

or you could replace... We are

1:40:52

decked the fuck out when it

1:40:54

comes to networking and power because

1:40:56

that's how we roll. Those things

1:40:58

are annoying to run. Once, you hopefully don't

1:41:00

think about it again. But

1:41:02

knowing that technology only gets

1:41:05

cheaper, unless it's a GPU, we

1:41:08

had plans to just go bare minimum

1:41:10

for the initial implementation and then to kind

1:41:12

of see how it goes. But

1:41:15

if we... I mean, look, I'm

1:41:19

like, I need to take my sweater off

1:41:21

excited if we could have a Hawkeye. I

1:41:23

mean, yeah, this is kind of what we're

1:41:25

working on because after that video came out,

1:41:27

just everybody started jumping on me for that

1:41:29

audio setup. Oh, dude. Like, it would just

1:41:31

hurt. But of course, right? Minimal viable product.

1:41:33

Leave Dan alone. That's what we need to

1:41:35

have... Could you come and pick up

1:41:38

our car, please? Dan's

1:41:41

plan made complete sense given the

1:41:43

bounds that we gave him to

1:41:45

be very clear. We could have

1:41:47

told him you can spend as much money as you want. He could

1:41:49

have come up with a different system. My

1:41:51

client gave me exacting specifications for that. Yeah.

1:41:54

Right? Yeah. But

1:41:56

looking into Q-SYS, like some good stuff

1:41:59

did come out. of this and like because

1:42:01

we have people with intel and I think Matt's

1:42:03

already reached out to a couple of them because

1:42:06

all of them like Q-SYS has

1:42:09

a heart and the head is intel and

1:42:11

there's Dell as well and all of them

1:42:13

know what we're doing and they know Q-SYS

1:42:15

and then this is hilarious and then Sony

1:42:18

and then also Hawkeye. We need to release

1:42:20

preemptive videos for every future project.

1:42:22

This is why we never build

1:42:24

anything reasonable because the second we

1:42:26

say that's our plan either

1:42:29

the community or our

1:42:31

industry partners. For me

1:42:34

right? So

1:42:39

the system I designed for your minimal viable product

1:42:41

cheapest so that we can get going. It

1:42:44

can do like I don't know maybe 16 channels

1:42:47

or something like that. The problem

1:42:50

is that the Q-SYS things that have

1:42:52

the Dell logo on the front of

1:42:54

them that run on the intel servers

1:42:56

are designed for airports. So

1:43:02

they have 256 independent channels

1:43:04

of Dante and like a thousand

1:43:07

different individual paging zones and

1:43:10

so some people were asking like so how many paging

1:43:12

stones do you need? I'm like well I

1:43:14

expect I'll change so it's one. We

1:43:19

didn't want to buy a second microphone so we're

1:43:21

just going to do one. Okay

1:43:24

well I need an airport. Okay

1:43:26

you're making me sound like such a cheap

1:43:28

f***ing head. No

1:43:32

that was reasonable. It was extremely reasonable. Should we tell them

1:43:34

what my plan was Dan? Should we tell them what my

1:43:36

plan was? Sure. Okay

1:43:39

so I'm known as the cheap

1:43:41

guy so I threw my plan into the ring and

1:43:43

it got upgraded because my plan was rough. If you

1:43:46

want to know what my plan was. Not a 610

1:43:48

of 5300. It

1:43:50

was like I don't remember fully but it was

1:43:53

like Raspberry Pi's connected to speakers and they're all

1:43:55

logged into Discord. Oh I've done a full house

1:43:57

install. I've done a house install like that. You're

1:44:01

talking cigarette, it's just some is

1:44:04

speak to Move was a we

1:44:06

see moved to channel. Was

1:44:12

married seats and who so we went

1:44:14

from my girlfriend. Solution that would cost

1:44:16

practically nothing here and we looked at

1:44:18

it is there was com seasons early

1:44:20

on and we got a traditional paging

1:44:22

system as well. There was no months

1:44:24

of discussion earlier and so we we

1:44:27

went. We went way above, we went

1:44:29

way below. And. The we found the

1:44:31

pretty reasonable spot in the middle some

1:44:33

and now we have offers that might

1:44:35

result in a way of public as

1:44:37

as a society that we plan to

1:44:39

have a grand total of about two

1:44:41

people on staff at an empire for

1:44:43

a six person I see soon. So

1:44:45

this is the problem of insert that's

1:44:47

why when that system initially because that

1:44:49

was one of your requirements it's just

1:44:51

has to work with no training and

1:44:53

they really similar of the like enemies

1:44:55

freaking out of order to keep it

1:44:57

would be to keep in mind this.

1:45:00

Is hard when he's had them at all time. I

1:45:02

mean you have to do. You might have to put

1:45:04

a Sony sticker on something. Savants in center in Canada.

1:45:07

They. Also do like more to us

1:45:09

admins and center and nano L

1:45:11

E d walls that are also

1:45:13

controlled like it's digital sign other

1:45:15

night that. I. Don't know. Like

1:45:17

millions of dollars for an install?

1:45:19

Never not. With a deal for

1:45:22

a Sony banner on the outside.

1:45:24

I don't even know Sony Linus

1:45:26

Badminton Smash Sony Temp sensor. Oh

1:45:28

them for badminton player my soul

1:45:31

food read good and want to

1:45:33

play badminton. At

1:45:35

that price snowed know that would not be

1:45:37

reasonable but no block as it he would

1:45:39

be actually incredible because I don't think there's

1:45:41

been any media on. It's like. Really?

1:45:44

At all. There's a little bit, but

1:45:46

there's it's Canal Vom. It's.

1:45:48

Pretty dry lake town of explainer

1:45:50

type stuff. Now I'm and I

1:45:52

don't think that I'd seen any

1:45:54

one who's like an independent media

1:45:57

who has gotten a chance to

1:45:59

bench market. Like I

1:46:01

would be really interested to

1:46:03

put Hawkeye up against. The.

1:46:06

Real. I. Am. Like

1:46:08

a whole array of like, you know,

1:46:11

twenty five cameras around a spot. Probably

1:46:14

is it how good his heart any is?

1:46:16

This is another thing that there probably will

1:46:18

have gotten. More

1:46:21

dominant are not getting better with ah dick

1:46:23

though not.will be really interesting to me and

1:46:25

then of course that also means that you

1:46:27

know the the cameras that are begin to

1:46:30

be recording the the courts they would probably

1:46:32

also be sony are less good. We have