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What's up everyone and welcome to the WAN show!

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We've got a great show lined up for

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you guys today. Yeah. Linux! It's

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got problems! Like, no support

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for HDMI 2.1, but

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we know who to blame and it

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isn't the open source community

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and actually it's not

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AMD either in spite of the fact that it's

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their Radeon cards that are having these problems. They

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tried hard at it. We know who to blame!

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Also Nintendo sued

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Yuzu, makers of

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the emulator Yuzu

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this week. We'll be talking a little bit about

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that. Be checking. Sure,

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I'm rolling with it. What else we

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got today? Lenovo launches repairable laptops. Cool.

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Very cool. Yeah. Also,

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research reveals Vision Pro's material cost

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and some people are super mad

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and some people are super happy and reactions

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are all over the place because I think

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people just really don't understand business. Yeah, no,

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oh, 100%. Yeah, they

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really don't. No. I

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don't even. Yet I think I get

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it more than most reactions to it. It's

1:09

all relative. Yeah. Einstein's

1:13

theory of business relativity. Where's

1:16

the bug? E equals a lot of people

1:18

are kind of dumb squared. The

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show is brought to you today

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by Manscaped, the Ridge and symbolic

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software before people lose their

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minds. Let's

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talk about the title of today's video. The

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HDMI forum, the organization

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responsible for development of

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the HDMI specification has

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redid rejected AMD's

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request to add HDMI

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2.1 plus support to

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its open source Linux

2:08

graphics driver. That's

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right folks, for the last

2:12

three years GNU slash Linux

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users with AMD GPUs have

2:17

not had support for 4K

2:20

at 120 hertz through HDMI

2:22

2.1 because the HDMI forum

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restricted public access to its specifications

2:27

in 2021. So

2:30

only licensed manufacturers that pay

2:32

both annual fees and

2:35

royalties are

2:37

allowed to have access to the

2:39

newest specifications. Now AMD,

2:42

right? Clearly.

2:45

A licensed manufacturer had their

2:47

legal team and Linux engineers work

2:49

for months to devise a way

2:51

to implement HDMI 2.1 plus

2:54

support in their open source driver

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without exposing the now private specs.

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Very honorable. But the forum

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still denied AMD's request to

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open source for the

3:05

open source driver support. Very dishonorable.

3:07

Um, really?

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Very annoying. Actually super annoying. Can

3:13

HDMI f**k off already? Oh,

3:15

I wish. To be clear, there are things

3:17

that I like about it. There are

3:20

things that are very good about

3:22

HDMI, but I feel like they're

3:24

kind of resting on the most

3:26

important thing about HDMI, which is

3:28

its ubiquity at this point, rather

3:31

than an extremely recognizable name,

3:33

rather than making HDMI

3:35

just better to

3:38

use. Like remember why

3:40

we create standards for

3:42

the users? No,

3:45

that's not why we do it at all. It can't be why.

3:49

We create standards to unify the current existing

3:51

pool of too many standards. We

3:53

make one more standard. That's better than all the rest of

3:55

the standards. And then if

3:57

we have the best standard, we make

4:00

money. Yeah. So

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there's a note from Jacob here. Intel's ARCA

4:06

700 cards get around this problem

4:08

because Intel and some of their

4:10

AIBs add a protocol converter chip

4:12

to the card to translate display

4:15

port signals from the GPU into

4:17

HDMI 2.1 signals. Which

4:20

is insane. That shouldn't be necessary.

4:22

Yeah, that's crazy. And you're

4:24

paying for that. And you are paying for

4:26

that. It adds cost to the board because...

4:28

Okay, this is an assumption.

4:31

I would assume every HDMI output on

4:33

that board would have to have one

4:35

of those as opposed to... Even

4:38

if there only had to be one, you're still paying for

4:40

it. It would be a higher complexity one, that's for sure.

4:42

Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

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The only thing that's frustrating about this is

4:46

that I often like HDMI just because I

4:48

find it easier. Some

4:50

display port plug, like they're

4:53

actually really annoying to unplug mostly, but

4:55

plug in as well. Kind of a

4:57

pain in the butt. The clamp connector

4:59

thing doesn't really seem

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great. You can get ones that don't have the lock

5:03

on it. They just kind of click in and then

5:05

if you pull them hard enough, they come out. Dell's

5:08

been shipping those by default with their monitors

5:10

for quite a lot of years now. But

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my biggest issue with display port is that

5:16

sometimes it's auto handshaking can be a little

5:19

shaky. That too. You'll

5:21

have a system that is on. You'll

5:24

go from HDMI, you'll unplug HDMI,

5:26

you'll plug in display port and

5:29

it'll be like, huh? I

5:32

don't even think it says huh. It just does

5:34

nothing. Nothing here. If the display stays black, you plug the

5:36

HDMI back in, it works. You

5:39

reboot the thing and the display

5:41

port works. It can struggle a

5:43

little sometimes. I

5:45

find display port also has significantly

5:48

more issues with the monitor randomly

5:50

goes black problem, which

5:53

is super annoying. Very annoying to diagnose.

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Yep. So our

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discussion questions here. are, why do

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you think the forum made this decision? I

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mean, I think we could kind of come

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up with some good reasons

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for it. We could

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say, well, they want to maintain consistency

6:12

in that experience. And

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in order to do that, you

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have to have everyone who's implementing the

6:19

standard contributing monetarily to the standard to

6:22

ensure that they can continue to develop

6:24

the standard. I mean, look, look, I'm

6:26

making a double bad argument. And it's

6:28

not a stupid one. They are AMD's

6:31

licensed manufacturer. They are though. They

6:33

are a licensed manufacturer, sure. But

6:37

what they are effectively, potentially

6:40

opening up the pathway

6:42

to is

6:45

the potential for someone to

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implement the standard by

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kind of reverse engineering it from this

6:51

open source implementation. Yeah, reverse engineering is

6:53

specifically the thing I was going to

6:56

leave. That's the thing that they're afraid

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of. But then I'm sitting here going,

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okay, but then, you know,

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AMD and

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Linux developers went and they put a

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bunch of work. They put a bunch

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of time into keeping the proprietary elements

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of the HDMI implementation separate

7:15

from the open source part of that

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driver. But then, okay,

7:20

hold on a second. Let's say you are your

7:23

Luke. Oh, okay. Big

7:25

assumption. Yeah, you are

7:28

kind of the project lead of like an

7:30

online video platform. Okay. Let's call it for

7:32

the sake of argument float plane. I know

7:34

it's stupid name. Weird name. Yeah, weird name.

7:37

Makes no sense. Yeah, but let's just go.

7:39

Yeah, it doesn't matter. The point is we'll

7:41

just call it that. Don't worry about it.

7:43

Yeah. Someday you'll have a budget for a

7:45

marketing department and they'll figure out a new

7:47

one. I don't know about that. Probably never.

7:50

Yeah. The point is that you're this guy

7:52

and someone comes to you

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and they say, Hey, your

7:58

DRM for that. that

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prevents non-paying customers from using your

8:02

thing. We found a

8:05

way for people to use your thing

8:07

on this unsupported device by

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integrating your

8:12

DRM in a way that we've

8:15

done that makes it so that

8:17

they can't reverse engineer your DRM.

8:19

But you told us how it works, and so we kind of put

8:22

it in there. And the

8:24

rest of it's open source, but that's really separate. Cool,

8:27

right? Maybe.

8:31

Maybe. Probably a lot of

8:33

work for you to go in and figure out if you did it

8:35

right. Yeah. And... Yeah.

8:40

So, I understand the

8:42

perspective, but

8:45

I am not happy about it.

8:47

Yeah. And as

8:49

generally someone who is supportive

8:52

of things working as well as they

8:54

can, someone bought your product. Yeah, I

8:56

was going to say, I don't... Someone

8:59

bought your product! In comparison, I think, was

9:01

pretty good, but... It wasn't perfect. It wasn't

9:04

perfect. But the point was that... Especially because

9:06

these people already were able to use HDMI

9:08

up until this spec. So,

9:11

it's more that it was taken away, kind of. And

9:15

so I think... I understand there's a new purchase involved in

9:17

this scenario. I think for me, if

9:19

the HDMI implementers

9:22

forum, if the HDMI forum... Sorry, I can never

9:24

remember all the names of these forums. If

9:27

the HDMI forum wanted to reach out

9:29

to our inbox and say, okay, look,

9:31

here was the problem. We had all

9:33

of these devices that

9:35

had this reverse engineered HDMI 2.0,

9:37

and they weren't paying

9:41

royalties, and it was

9:43

turning out that the implementation wasn't very

9:45

good, it wasn't up to standard, and

9:48

we were getting a lot of complaints.

9:50

Like, if you can provide me with

9:52

some kind of documentation that demonstrates that

9:55

this was necessary, that it was necessary

9:57

to close this off because people weren't

9:59

paying their fair share and it

10:01

was somehow harming the development of the

10:04

standard and harming the user, then, you

10:07

know, all right. I would

10:09

at least be willing to hear that argument,

10:11

but I'm having a really hard time right

10:13

now knowing that HDMI

10:15

is already one of the

10:18

most expensive port

10:20

standards to implement. In fact, I'm not

10:22

aware of one that costs more. Maybe

10:25

something from Apple. Maybe

10:27

Apple's licensing for MagSafe or Lightning would be

10:29

higher than HDMI. I heard Lightning is pretty

10:31

rough. I don't know. I'm legitimately

10:33

not sure. I don't know exactly what they are for

10:36

either of them. I know that HDMI is

10:38

quite a burden on

10:40

device manufacturers and

10:44

I know that that is compared to

10:46

things like USB, things

10:49

like category, I

10:52

don't know what to call it, whatever

10:54

fits into an RJ45 port, all right.

10:57

If I call it Ethernet, people

10:59

get mad because Ethernet could run

11:01

over any physical, I know, but

11:05

if I say Ethernet, do you know what I'm

11:07

talking about? Okay. The point is

11:09

that on

11:11

a PC or on a piece of home theater equipment

11:13

or something like that, I can't think of what, toss link,

11:15

like I can't think of any other interface that

11:17

has the same kind of costs

11:20

associated with it. So

11:23

you're already charging a

11:25

lot. You're already

11:28

reaping enormous, enormous revenues from

11:30

the implementations of your standards.

11:32

So can you just calm

11:35

the fuck down? No. We

11:39

must be chaos. I don't

11:41

want peace. I want problems. There's

11:47

the whole vote with your wallet question. But

11:51

in the discussion questions, it says, in

11:53

a tweet about the forum's decision, Wendell

11:55

� hi Wendell, Wendell's great � from

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Level One Tech said to vote with

11:59

your wallet. how

12:01

can consumers avoid supporting the HDMI form

12:03

when they are essentially paying for HDMI

12:06

license fees whenever they buy a device

12:08

that has an HDMI port? I

12:11

would say that they're

12:14

probably also paying for HDMI

12:17

license fees whenever you buy

12:19

a cable. You're paying HDMI,

12:22

not necessarily. It may be.

12:24

It depends. So we have looked into

12:26

cables. Okay. While we haven't

12:29

looked into port implementations, we have looked into cable implementations

12:31

because as you may or may not know, in the

12:33

background we've been working on cables. Really

12:35

good ones, by the way. And the

12:37

way that it typically works is as long

12:40

as you, because

12:43

the connector is the connector. Okay,

12:45

so as long as you have good

12:48

conductors in a good

12:50

configuration with good twists and good

12:52

insulation and shielding, right? A

12:55

cable is just a cable and nobody can

12:57

tell you you can't make that physical cable.

13:01

In the case of- This is not official documentation. In the

13:03

case of HDMI and USB-C. I can tell you

13:05

that much. But what they can

13:07

say is you may not put HDMI- Yes,

13:13

on the box or whatever. Logos and

13:15

emblems and- You can make no claims.

13:18

Yeah, so these things are trademarked, right?

13:20

And I'm sure Tynan's going to jump in

13:23

and sort of clarify

13:25

some of this. I'm gonna use it in

13:28

float plane chat right now. But the point

13:30

is that you can pretty much make any,

13:32

pretty much anyone can make a cable and

13:34

they're unlikely to get into any kind of

13:36

trouble unless they violate a trademark. Like USB

13:39

type C super speed ultra extra XL, right?

13:42

Or whatever they're calling crap these days. But

13:47

where was I going with this? As

13:49

for how to get around supporting them, no,

13:54

no, there's pretty much nothing that you can do.

13:58

Yeah. If

14:02

you do stop using it, if

14:05

you stop buying HDMI cables, I

14:11

think that will make a difference genuinely because

14:14

if device manufacturers are like no one's

14:17

using HDMI. Right,

14:19

that's what I was saying is no,

14:21

I don't think it will make a difference because my

14:25

understanding is that the fees are

14:27

on the device

14:29

side, they're not on the cable side necessarily.

14:31

No, but what I'm saying is if you

14:33

stop buying HDMI cables, manufacturers

14:36

might stop including it. How

14:39

would they even know? Oh, I'm sure they know.

14:42

I'm Ben Q. How

14:46

do I know that people are plugged in via DisplayPort

14:48

to my monitor? I don't think I do. And

14:54

on the home theater side of things, on the

14:56

multimedia side of things, it's not like I have

14:58

a choice. I

15:01

can't use DisplayPort on

15:03

anything, on any TV. I've

15:05

not really understood this.

15:07

When Nvidia launched their

15:09

BFGD initiative, their big

15:11

f***ing display technology, or

15:14

gaming display, that's what it was

15:16

short for. They do. I

15:19

don't make the rules. But

15:21

when Nvidia launched that, I was

15:24

like, heck yeah. One of the

15:26

things that I hope gains momentum is

15:28

DisplayPort because honestly,

15:31

everything that I would need for

15:34

a TV, DisplayPort can do, and

15:37

it's royalty free. So

15:39

let's go. What are we waiting for? But

15:43

the inter compatibility, someone had to get

15:45

it started, was kind of my mindset.

15:47

And if we start getting TVs that

15:49

have it, if every TV just has

15:51

one of these ports on it, well

15:53

hey, that's a starting point. In time,

15:55

maybe we start to get devices that

15:58

have both interfaces, kind of like we've

16:00

seen HDMI make its way onto PCs.

16:02

It used to be that PCs were

16:04

just VGA and then VGA and DVI

16:06

and then just DVI for

16:08

the most part, although you'd use VGA for your

16:10

legacy monitors or you'd use the analog pins on

16:12

the DVI connector for that. And then all of

16:14

a sudden, HDMI showed up. The question at the

16:17

time especially was why? It

16:20

was smaller, so that was a

16:23

dubious benefit but the HDMI standard we were using, I

16:25

guess it would have been 1.1, 1.2, whatever it

16:31

was at the time that it started becoming more

16:33

ubiquitous on PC monitors was

16:36

bandwidth equivalent to DVI.

16:40

So there was no compelling reason other than

16:42

I guess you like spending a little bit more on your monitor.

16:44

I just didn't really get it and then it was

16:47

part of the big push towards home theater PCs.

16:50

So I guess that's ultimately the reason why we

16:52

started to see it more but then it's just

16:54

become this given that HDMI is on graphics cards

16:56

and now all of a sudden, okay now it

16:58

kind of is on most monitors and it's just

17:00

kind of snowballed from there and I just I

17:02

wanted to see something similar to that happen

17:05

in the home theater space with DisplayPort

17:07

and it just hasn't happened at

17:10

all. Yeah,

17:13

I do think market survey stuff would exist.

17:15

I do think stores would,

17:18

they would be reporting somewhere that these companies

17:20

that are making decisions on compatibility would be

17:22

able to have that information for the fact

17:24

that, not the fact

17:26

that but in this theoretical

17:29

scenario where DisplayPort

17:31

is outselling HDMI by a

17:33

significant degree and then

17:36

adjustments would be made but... I

17:38

don't think there's anything... That's a lot to ask

17:40

from the market and it will not happen. It's

17:43

not happening. Yes. It's not happening. Yes.

17:45

So I'm going to switch that, point it

17:48

out that HDMI did have the benefit of

17:50

carrying audio while DVI did not. That is

17:52

true. I don't think it was a huge

17:54

meaningful benefit for PCs at the time but

17:57

that is a really good point. Then

18:00

we've got the the conspiracy theory

18:02

reason that popped up in floatplane

18:04

chat That is probably the real

18:06

reason an HDMI supported HDCP so

18:09

there was enormous industry pressure to

18:11

make HDMI a standard

18:19

Because HDCP has prevented

18:22

content ripping Absolutely

18:25

Please continue to think this You

18:28

know Okay, real

18:32

talk though. There is something

18:35

to be said for the The

18:39

the the hassle of

18:42

it being more difficult like finding

18:44

an HDCP stripper is Kind

18:47

of a pain in the butt because

18:49

nobody advertises that functionality because the second

18:51

they do this well-funded group Because

18:54

of all the royalties they collect goes after them

18:57

and make sure that it you know goes away

19:00

And so for the average person, you

19:02

know, like if we're talking Like

19:05

my my little brother or something like

19:07

that If he could

19:09

just as easily pirate some

19:11

piece of content, okay Let's think back

19:13

to the r4 for the Nintendo DS.

19:16

Okay it was Brain-dead

19:19

simple to pirate games for that platform

19:21

and pretty much everyone I knew did

19:24

it They had an r4 cartridge

19:26

you put a micro SD in it and

19:28

then you just downloaded ROMs and it was

19:30

like way better It was

19:32

way better than the paid experience because you just

19:34

had an entire, you know Personal Netflix library of

19:37

games to play and it you just selected what

19:39

you wanted and booted it up It was actually

19:41

better than carrying around a bunch of carts, which

19:43

felt stupid. It's interesting that you went to Netflix

19:45

over like Steve I know but don't worry about

19:47

it. The point is that When

19:50

piracy is really easy

19:52

I think it still is though because you're talking

19:54

about ripping so you're talking about the work that would have

19:56

to be done in Order to pirate the thing. I think most people

19:58

if they're gonna engage age

20:00

in the piracy, they're just going to download it. Sure.

20:03

It's hurting like the light

20:05

hobbyists or the tinkerers that would like to

20:07

do it themselves. You're actually hurting

20:10

probably the people that are trying to do it

20:12

in a more, what I think

20:15

most people would see as a,

20:18

maybe it's not okay with the law, but this is

20:20

pretty much okay sense where they buy the thing and

20:22

then rip it for themselves. I think that's a very

20:24

hypothetical person. I don't think too many people are doing

20:27

that. That's what I'm saying though, but I think that's

20:29

only people that are basically being affected. Sure.

20:32

I don't know how many people are like, oh, I desire to buy

20:34

it. So I'm going to buy this thing

20:36

and then give it to other people. Well,

20:40

there's a surprising number

20:43

of, I guess

20:45

I'll say like selfless pirates. Like there's a

20:47

lot of Robin Hoods out there. Yeah. Who

20:50

will go and buy a Blu-ray so that they can rip

20:52

it and they can upload it to a private tracker

20:55

or something like that. I don't think there's that many

20:57

though. I mean, there's

20:59

enough. Yes. There's enough.

21:01

There's definitely enough. There's more than enough.

21:03

Yes. And,

21:05

you know. But I think it's a like dozens

21:07

of us. There are dozens of us situation. And

21:09

back to my point though, about how the barrier

21:12

to entry is measurable. I mean,

21:14

even getting a membership to a private tracker,

21:16

which I have done, it's kind

21:19

of a hassle. Yeah. It's

21:21

a barrier. And if you're downloading, if you're downloading

21:23

off like, okay, I'm going to use a super outdated reference,

21:26

but for a good reason, if you're

21:29

downloading movies from the Pirate Bay, especially

21:32

with all of the interesting

21:35

things that have happened with the Pirate

21:37

Bay name and the Pirate Bay domains

21:39

over the years. Yeah. Don't

21:43

do that right now. There's inherent risk. And

21:45

even if you got a copy of a

21:47

movie from it, say for example, it's probably

21:50

not going to be that great quality. So

21:52

what I'm trying to say is that right

21:55

now for my little brother, for

21:57

the Nintendo DS, I'd be like.

22:00

I don't know, get an R4 and download games,

22:03

right? If he was asking me how to

22:05

pirate games and for something

22:08

like movies, I would say, I

22:13

don't feel like coaching you on how to do this

22:15

safely. Go buy a movie. Subscribe

22:18

to Netflix. Get a Blu-ray. And

22:21

so there is... And you like

22:23

keep it. I think that among

22:25

the hyper-techy audience, yourself included, my

22:27

argument doesn't make any sense. But

22:31

if you put yourself in the shoes of

22:33

someone who is not tech savvy, who asked

22:35

you for advice, if they asked

22:37

you, okay, how do I pirate movies? What

22:40

would you say? It's kind of a mess these

22:42

days. That is an answer

22:44

I've given relatively recently. I don't feel like setting

22:46

it up for you. Yeah. Pretty

22:48

much. So when people say... Go buy the

22:50

Blu-rays. So when

22:53

people say... Go buy the Blu-rays.

22:55

When people say, HDCP doesn't work

22:57

anyway, they're right. It

23:00

doesn't prevent anyone from ripping

23:02

the content and hosting it on file sharing

23:04

sites. And it doesn't... It is a layer

23:07

of Swiss cheese. But it is absolutely

23:09

a friction point.

23:13

And is it a friction point that

23:15

creates an enormous amount of collateral damage

23:17

that personally I'm not really okay with?

23:21

Yeah. But do I understand why they're doing it and why

23:23

they continue to do it? Yeah. It's

23:26

not just... It's not moon logic. It's

23:29

not like they're just dumb people doing

23:31

dumb things. And I think that sometimes

23:34

if we allow ourselves to just think,

23:37

everyone is dumb but me, we miss

23:39

the bigger picture. And the

23:41

bigger picture is that it is effective. It's not

23:44

100% effective, but it is something. I'd say it

23:46

definitely is to a certain degree. If all of

23:48

that said, f*** off and

23:51

let AMD implement HDMI 2.1 on Linux

23:53

because Linux shouldn't

23:56

have a disadvantage because of

23:58

your DRM. So that's

24:00

what the whole thing boils down to for me. What

24:04

do you want to talk about next? Let's

24:08

just maybe keep hammering through the headliner topics.

24:10

Is that what the Vision Pro material costs?

24:12

Let's do it. Research firm

24:14

Omeda has released an estimate for the

24:17

Bill of Materials on Bombdia. Yeah, don't

24:19

worry about it. Omedia? I

24:21

mean, yeah. That is correct. Stupid name.

24:23

Probably better than float plane. I like

24:25

Omeda. Yeah, I'm definitely

24:27

better than float plane. Research firm, float plane?

24:29

What the fuck was that? What is that

24:31

name? Yeah. That's

24:35

it for the Bill of Materials for Apple Vision Pro.

24:39

Placing the costs of its various materials and

24:41

components at $1,542. Notably

24:46

this does not include costs associated

24:48

with marketing or research and development,

24:53

which is going to be very substantial to be

24:55

clear. This is something that people

24:57

forget about constantly. I don't know why. Meaning

25:00

that it is not possible to determine

25:02

Apple's per unit profit margin with the

25:04

information listed. And it never

25:06

is unless you happen to work at Apple and

25:08

know the exact profit margin. Even

25:10

then, it's kind of hard and it's

25:13

technically a little bit of a guess. The

25:16

biggest single contributor to the Bill

25:18

of Materials is the micro OLED

25:21

internal displays, which are awesome.

25:23

So it makes sense, adding that in there.

25:25

Wow. Which costs $228 per eye. I

25:31

wonder how that compares to the price of gold.

25:34

Because I bet they don't weigh much. Yeah.

25:38

Crazy. The combined costs for all of the

25:40

Vision Pro's displays make up around 35% of

25:42

its Bill of Materials.

25:45

For context, the PSVR2's OLED panel

25:47

is 30% of its

25:50

bomb and the Quest 2's LCD panel is only

25:52

18% of its bomb. Apple

25:55

has declined to discuss the exact breakdown behind the

25:57

Vision Pro's price, but they have emphasized the cost

25:59

of the vision. of R&D and claim that

26:01

5,000 different patents were

26:03

used in its design. The

26:06

main display is

26:10

$456 alone. Wow.

26:14

That's a lot. Yeah. It's

26:17

a really wicked display, so it makes

26:19

sense. Yeah, but a

26:21

good rule of thumb is

26:24

that whatever the bill of materials cost

26:26

is, you're probably looking at about double.

26:28

At least. By the time it makes

26:30

it to retail because you've got an

26:32

account for, I mean, even

26:35

aside from the things that Luke already

26:37

listed, you know, there's

26:40

middlemen. Even if that middleman is

26:43

your own middleman, so let's say Apple's

26:45

middleman is an Apple store. Yeah. Does

26:48

it pay rent? I mean,

26:51

if it wants to keep that nice location

26:53

in the mall, it sure does. If it

26:55

wants to keep them employed, it sure does.

26:57

Does it have to deal with shrink? Does

27:00

it have to deal with cleaning expense? So

27:02

just because a middleman also has

27:04

the name Apple doesn't necessarily mean that it

27:06

doesn't add cost, that it doesn't either wear

27:09

your margin. Are there any failures in manufacturing

27:11

at all? Oh, yeah. I

27:13

mean, that's ... Certainly.

27:15

That's something that may be factored

27:18

into these bill of material costs,

27:20

though, because if the cost of

27:22

a Sony Semiconductor micro OLED display

27:24

is $228, that's probably once the

27:26

failed ones have been yielded out.

27:32

Okay. I didn't know this how it went. However,

27:34

that doesn't necessarily mean ... Yeah. So generally your

27:36

bill of materials is the cost of good

27:39

ones. Okay. However, that doesn't mean that

27:41

none of those good ones are

27:44

broken in assembly. Right. They could still get

27:46

returned. That can happen. They could be lemons,

27:48

whatever else. That can happen. I feel like

27:50

it's not as common these days, but that,

27:52

yeah. With the amount of automation that they

27:54

have in product manufacturing these days, yeah, it

27:56

would be less common, but it wouldn't be

27:58

unheard of for something to go wrong on

28:01

the market. the assembly line and for some

28:03

of these two ultimately not pass back. Now

28:05

in many cases, you can push that back

28:07

on the manufacturer. You can go, hey, Sony,

28:09

here's your palette of crappy

28:11

displays that didn't make the

28:13

cut when we were assembling them. And if

28:15

you're Apple, you probably have the like penis

28:17

to swing around to go, by

28:19

the way, here's a bill for us to take

28:21

them apart and ship them back to you. Yeah.

28:24

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. That's

28:28

absolutely something that can happen and it, and it,

28:30

someone has to do that. And

28:32

I think that's something a lot

28:34

of people kind of take for

28:36

granted is every thing, someone has

28:38

to like move it every single time it

28:40

moves. Someone has to look at it every

28:43

single time something changes about it to make

28:45

sure that everything's going well. And in some

28:47

cases it is a machine doing that. Well,

28:49

guess what? Somebody has to build that

28:51

machine. Somebody has to paint

28:53

it. There's costs everywhere.

28:58

So some of these things are, like, I know the

29:00

screen is, the main display is $456, but like,

29:04

man, nothing was really cheap note on

29:06

structural member, just the middle frame and

29:08

stuff, $120. That doesn't

29:10

even surprise me that much. Like

29:12

it's metal. It's metal. Yeah.

29:15

And it's the kind of

29:17

CNC that you are, like

29:20

I understand that, but then you see it on paper

29:22

and it's like, yeah, you know, this was debated heavily

29:24

and they decided, yeah, let's go. Let's go with this

29:27

expensive $120 at their cost metal frame. Kumo

29:33

star and floatplane chat says, my glass lenses actually shatter

29:36

at a rate of 40% of the

29:38

time when they thin them. Yeah.

29:40

Poor product yields are absolutely something

29:42

that is built into the cost

29:46

of premium or niche or just or

29:49

difficult to manufacture products. A

29:51

perfect example of that is why

29:53

much, much larger TVs are so

29:55

much more expensive than smaller ones.

29:58

You could have a TV. that

30:00

is twice the size as another TV, but it'll

30:02

be four times the cost. I'm trying to

30:04

get that panel. All

30:07

of it perfect with nothing wrong with

30:09

it is way more difficult than cutting

30:11

around a bad section and making two

30:13

smaller ones. It's just, it's so much

30:15

harder. It requires bigger

30:17

machinery to manipulate it around as you're working

30:19

on it. It's just everything is bigger and

30:21

everything's more challenging and someone has to develop

30:23

the processes for this. By

30:26

the way, typical Twitch, back

30:28

to our last topic. Sorry Linus, you're defending the bad

30:31

guys here. Did any part of

30:33

any of that sound like a defense? Come

30:35

on people. What? They

30:37

just do my firm thing. How are you doing?

30:40

I was talking about HDCP being effective. They

30:44

say they're good guys. I just said that what they're

30:46

doing is working. Yeah. I

30:49

said they're not as stupid as you might think they are. One

30:52

question is does this kind of cost breakdown make sense

30:54

for the Vision Pro? What

30:56

it is and what it can do. The $3500

30:58

price tag, is it really all that shocking

31:00

giving its component parts a no? That's

31:03

the thing is I talked about this

31:05

in my unboxing. I said guys, it's

31:07

expensive. Yes. Is

31:11

it overpriced? No. No.

31:14

If anything, I'm looking at this bomb cost. I'm going.

31:16

I'm not telling you that you should buy it either

31:18

just to be super clear. Not even a little. Our

31:20

review is coming very soon. In fact, I think it's

31:22

coming out tomorrow. Nice.

31:25

But looking at this bomb cost, the

31:27

retail price totally makes sense. This price

31:29

is not higher. It's actually I think

31:32

uncharacteristically low for Apple. I

31:34

think it's pretty aggressive. I

31:37

know. That's going to sound pretty crazy to

31:39

some people. There's a lot of people who just really

31:41

hate Apple and anything that they do

31:44

is bad because it's Apple who did it. Do

31:46

you imagine for a second that let's

31:50

say Microsoft is making

31:52

less margin on Azure? If

31:59

you look at it with a little bit of a Look at the videos

32:01

h100s right now. Apple is a

32:03

publicly traded company You can

32:05

get a rough idea of what their profit margins are

32:08

Anytime you want and

32:11

then you can compare it to companies like

32:13

oracle Okay, or in video

32:16

Like there's they're not that far out

32:18

there. And so yeah, is the vision

32:20

pro a really expensive product sure. Yeah,

32:23

of course it is But

32:25

like I don't know. Do you

32:27

have any nice kick? Give any

32:29

idea how much fucking money they made on those Like

32:33

yeah, yeah Clothing

32:35

is like historically pretty notorious for this

32:39

Yeah a little bit yeah and

32:42

and to be clear clothing has very real cost You

32:44

know back to my point this happens to be clothing

32:46

that we're gonna talk about a little bit later on

32:48

the show new clothing So you want to package it

32:50

in a way that isn't bad for the planet. That's

32:52

gonna cost more cost You want to

32:54

ship it at all because even

32:56

though even though this paper might cost exactly

32:58

the same as some plastic it doesn't But

33:01

it could cost exactly the same You

33:04

still have to pay for someone to

33:06

go and source it because this particular

33:08

factory only had plastic packaging on hand

33:10

now They have to store that paper

33:12

that's just for special snowflake us And

33:15

then they have to have a workflow for you

33:17

know Changing the production line so that instead of

33:19

plastic at the end It has paper at the

33:21

end whenever they're working on stuff for us like

33:23

is the failure rate the same everything adds up

33:25

adds up adds up And

33:28

so yeah, I said I said it already,

33:30

but i'll say it again It's

33:33

not overpriced Yeah, it's expensive.

33:35

Yes. There are elements of it

33:37

that are overpriced The fact that

33:39

apple charges so much for a

33:41

storage upgrade on something that you

33:43

are already Paying them

33:45

to be a beta tester for yeah

33:48

is egregious to me But

33:51

the device itself the base model

33:53

device itself. No, it's not

33:55

overpriced and given the rnd and all the other

33:57

stuff involved with it if

34:00

Apple, you would complain if Apple didn't pay

34:02

the engineers who developed it. Yeah. That would

34:04

be a huge scandal. That would be a

34:06

huge scandal. Or if you worked them too

34:08

hard or too long because you have to

34:10

save money. Or whatever. So then when Apple

34:12

kind of goes, yeah, turns out R&D costs

34:14

money. So we're going to have to, we're

34:16

going to have to charge money for our

34:18

products. You can't complain then. You

34:20

can't, you don't get to have it both ways. I

34:23

had a conversation with someone recently, uh,

34:25

where we had a discussion about how

34:27

your, your employment to a certain degree,

34:29

if you, if you are making things,

34:32

um, and I've had this discussion with a few

34:34

people a number of times, but there is just one that

34:37

was very recent. But if you're, if you're, if you make

34:39

things, your employment is essentially selling

34:41

your own company, the things that you

34:43

make so you can kind

34:45

of boil it down to like, okay, I

34:48

made widget X. It took me two months.

34:50

The cost of the company for widget X

34:52

was my costs, which is

34:54

my salary plus my, you know,

34:56

benefits and whatever, um, government

34:59

fee things there are on top of

35:01

that time, the amount of hours is

35:04

to take that thing and make more money and make

35:06

more money off of it. And if they don't, then,

35:09

then I guess you weren't a very

35:11

good salesman. Yeah. Um,

35:15

and you go buy, buy. Yeah, pretty much.

35:17

And you can be, and you can be

35:19

unhappy about it. Um, you

35:22

know, it's one of those things where I'm

35:24

not going to say, Hmm, you complain about

35:26

capitalism and yet you participate in it. You

35:28

engage in this. That's

35:35

how the wheel currently turns. For better or

35:37

for worse, how it's currently working. Yeah. Trained

35:45

top wave. Yup.

35:48

See, that's the thing. Um, we

35:51

can't, it turns out, have a

35:53

film studio in a residential neighborhood.

35:55

We tried that zoning. You

35:57

get kicked out. It's

35:59

a whole thing. It's nice all the way

36:01

there. And the vast majority of the industrial

36:04

land in the Vancouver area is next to

36:06

train tracks where, you

36:08

know, people don't want to live. So

36:11

we just have to deal with that. It's

36:13

pretty cool. It is what it is. Yeah.

36:16

What do you want to talk about next? Dan,

36:18

what's our next topic? I don't know. You've got

36:21

11 minutes until merch messages. No. We

36:23

have to hurry a little bit because James

36:25

is doing a thing later. Let's do merch messages. And

36:27

we need to clear out of this set. Wait,

36:30

what? Should we talk about

36:32

the thing that you're going to say? Guess what? Guess

36:34

what? Guess what? Oh,

36:37

I'm also kidding. Don't say that. Don't say

36:39

that. Don't say that. Don't say that. Don't

36:42

say that. Don't say that. Don't say that.

36:44

That's the wrong name. Carpool credit. No,

36:47

stop. He's going to be so mad. We

36:49

should actually not do that. They're just

36:51

movies is shooting a special... No,

36:54

he says. A special

36:56

temporary return for Doom

36:58

part two. That

37:00

makes sense. That's cool. So they're coming

37:02

back. They're coming back to the mics. That's

37:06

kind of a weird idea for a podcast,

37:08

but would kind of be cool, which is

37:10

like an episode gets filmed if an episode

37:12

deserves to get filmed. And that's it. Yeah.

37:15

And if it doesn't, it doesn't. And if all three hosts

37:17

aren't like, I need to see this movie. I

37:20

need to see it on launch day. I want to see it on

37:22

launch day. I want to see it on launch day. I want to

37:24

see it on launch day. I want to see it on launch day.

37:26

If I don't talk about it, I'm going to explode. Then it just

37:28

doesn't get an episode. It's a pretty cool concept. I kind of like

37:30

it, to be honest. Because if an

37:32

episode comes out, that means it's time to

37:34

watch. Yeah. I'm down with

37:36

it. There are occasionally movies. I'd

37:38

watch that when

37:40

it comes out. They're

37:43

mostly just movies. And this podcast

37:46

is not about those ones. Sometimes

37:49

movies. All right. Merch

37:51

messages. Now I'm supposed

37:53

to explain about merch messages. The way to interact

37:55

with the show. You guys have been watching it.

37:57

All shows so far is to send a merch.

38:00

don't do a Twitch bit, whatever that is, or

38:02

a super chat. You want to send a merch

38:04

message, that way you can throw money at your

38:06

screen and get great quality merchandise in

38:09

the mail in return. All

38:11

you got to do is head to lttstore.com. We've got a

38:13

couple new things to show you guys today. In the cart,

38:15

you will see the field for a merch message whenever we're

38:17

live. You fill it out.

38:19

It goes to producer Dan. There he is. Too

38:21

late. Oh no, he's got it this time. Oh, well,

38:25

anyway, the point is it goes to producer Dan,

38:28

who will either forward it to the appropriate party, respond himself,

38:31

throw your little shout outs at the

38:34

bottom of the screen, or curate your

38:36

message for me and Luke to respond

38:38

to later. We've

38:40

got a couple of, we're going to do a couple of merch

38:43

messages to kind of show you guys how it works. We try

38:45

to get to as many of them as we can, but if

38:47

we don't, then hey, at

38:49

least you get your order in the mail instead of just throwing

38:51

money at the screen. But you can also do, but yes. But

38:53

you can do. You might as well just get an order in

38:56

the mail. We've got super chats enabled.

38:58

If you just want to throw money at the screen and

39:00

then give YouTube a 30 or 40% cut

39:03

or whatever, then by all means,

39:05

I will take my pittance that

39:07

YouTube reserves for me out of

39:09

that money and I

39:12

will certainly accept it. But I would

39:14

rather give you stuff, give Google's share

39:16

to our fine creator warehouse

39:19

team or to our wonderful

39:21

suppliers or our t-shirt printer,

39:24

who I love the quality

39:26

of his work and I

39:30

just want him to make more shirts for

39:32

us. It's one of

39:34

those things. If your customer's biggest

39:36

complaint is they just want

39:38

to buy more, you're doing pretty

39:41

good. So, you know, lots of

39:43

love. Anyway, the point is

39:45

we've got a few updates on the store.

39:48

First up, very

39:52

crinkly. Well, paper packaging.

39:55

Quite de-wanted. It's recyclable. That's good.

39:57

We do it because we care.

40:00

hole. Find it easier.

40:05

I don't need to know these things. I

40:08

can make assumptions about these things. One finger or two.

40:13

You have to start. I mean, it doesn't

40:18

have to be a finger.

40:25

Oh my god! Anyway, the point is, new

40:29

underwear. They

40:37

are 50-50 merino

40:40

wool and polyester blend. They

40:42

are comfortable for all seasons

40:45

and because they're merino wool,

40:47

they wick, like,

40:49

awesomely. When I wear

40:51

these for badminton, my nether regions

40:54

dry out so much faster. So they're

40:56

great for anytime you might be outdoors.

40:59

Whether the moisture is coming from outside

41:01

in or inside out, they're fantastic for

41:03

that. They're our same great fit.

41:05

The hand feel is... Yeah, yeah. It

41:08

feels like merino wool. Yeah. Well, good stuff. Yeah,

41:10

I mean, that's... Anyway, the point is... I

41:12

love merino wool. Upgrade your software. Ha ha,

41:14

that's actually a pretty good tagline. That is

41:17

pretty good. That's actually pretty funny. So, the

41:19

LTT underwear back. New one

41:21

pack. It's really expensive. That's why it's a

41:23

one pack. Merino wool is expensive. Yeah, it

41:25

turns out it's really, really expensive and somebody

41:27

has to pay for, you know,

41:29

all those people to... There's a bomb cost and you

41:32

got it. All those people to get genetically modified to

41:34

make wool on their bodies. Yeah,

41:38

we harvest humans. They're volunteers though, so

41:40

it's okay. Anyway, the point

41:42

is it has more of

41:44

a structured feel compared to our

41:46

typical modal blend. So they kind

41:48

of... Hold firm a little bit.

41:51

Yeah, they hold a little firmer. Please,

41:53

follow the carrot instructions. Do not

41:56

put in veg dryer. Oh,

41:59

it's wool. Yeah, that makes

42:01

sense. They will shrink. Yep. Okay,

42:04

and then they're underwear, so returns

42:06

blah blah, fully sealed, not opened,

42:08

etc, etc. So there's just a

42:10

couple warnings I wanted to get on there. What is this hat,

42:12

Adam? Yeah,

42:14

good job. I don't know. Yeah, it's good.

42:16

I'm proud of him. Anyway, the point is,

42:18

the other updates for the store this week

42:21

are magnetic cable management. You can sign

42:23

up for a launch notification. Really,

42:26

can I say this? People

42:30

next week. Oh. Magnetic

42:33

cable management is coming. Also,

42:35

the precision screwdriver, we are

42:37

receiving the first 100 units

42:40

soon, which will be sold

42:42

to a randomly selected group

42:44

of people who have signed

42:46

up for a launch notification.

42:49

This will be ahead of general availability, and

42:51

the idea here is that similar to what

42:53

we did with the regular screwdriver pop-up shop,

42:56

once those 100 people have it, use

42:58

it, review it, we are going to

43:01

take back orders so that we

43:03

can get some idea of how the bloody

43:05

many of these things we should order instead

43:08

of just guessing. The

43:10

dangerous game. Without taking a

43:12

pre-order because, hey, this way, final

43:14

production units are in the hands of people, and you

43:17

can take their word for how great it is. Yeah.

43:21

I did think we'll probably do away with that system

43:23

at some point. I think we've kind of established we're

43:25

just going to kind of take care of people. This

43:29

is not like a game. I'm not going to tell you to pre-order.

43:31

I'm just going to tell you it's an option at some point, I

43:33

think. We

43:39

have a demo for cable management. Let's

43:42

do two merch messages first. Then we'll do a

43:44

demo of cable management. All right. Hit me,

43:47

Dan. Sure thing. Let's see. It's

43:49

been a while. I was going to say, for April Fool's, you should just run

43:51

over and punch you. Well, I mean, we're going to... Why

43:54

punch? It's the

43:56

most standard hit in the world. Not the

43:58

most standard hit. face. Is

44:01

that the most you would prefer a backhand to

44:03

the face? I didn't say it for the first.

44:05

That's not the argument here. I'm just saying. That's

44:07

just kind of the vibe. Yeah. Punch is not the

44:10

standard hit. You think a backhand to the face

44:12

is a more standard head? That feels much more correct

44:14

for this relationship. It's a video game that says like

44:16

hit. What do you expect the character

44:18

to do? Well, depends what they're trying to do.

44:20

I mean, in a, in a, in a social

44:23

context, I would expect, you

44:25

know, in a social context, if someone's

44:27

a drink to the face, you expect

44:29

them to backhand you. Yeah. But

44:32

I would expect a slap. Yeah. I'd expect a

44:34

slap, not a punch. If I literally say hit

44:36

me to someone else, I would never expect them

44:38

to smack me. It depends on the context. Yeah.

44:41

You could kill someone with a punch. I'm

44:44

not expecting any of this to

44:46

happen to my face. I

44:49

mean, I guess, but

44:51

why even bother hitting them then? You

44:58

should avoid hitting each other in the head

45:00

by the way. This is like a thing.

45:02

Whatever, Will Smith is very culturally relevant. Whatever

45:04

she says is the correct hit is

45:06

correct. We're

45:08

going with that. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Fair

45:10

enough. You know what? I rest my case. All

45:12

right. It's

45:15

been a while since this question was last asked.

45:18

Are you now open to frames

45:21

a second, LTD videos? It's

45:23

never been our question for me. You'll

45:25

have to, you'll have to ask our

45:28

production team. No, I

45:30

mean, I can hear, you know what? Tell

45:32

you what, realistically, Andy's

45:34

pretty chill. He's,

45:37

he's, he's the, the king

45:39

of the camera nerds these days. I actually

45:41

legitimately, I'm not a hundred percent sure exactly

45:43

what his job title is. But

45:47

he's definitely, he's definitely the ruler of that roost.

45:53

Hello, Linus. Hey, Andy, sorry to bug you. You are

45:55

live on the WAN show right now. Oh,

45:58

yeah, we got a merge. message that

46:00

was really more of a question for you than it

46:02

is for me and I'll let you kind of field

46:05

it here. We

46:07

were asked, hey are you guys more

46:09

open these days to 60 FPS

46:12

videos? I

46:16

mean it's gonna eat a

46:18

lot of our hard drive. Mm-hmm.

46:22

If we are okay with you

46:25

know the space and all the

46:27

processing power loss I

46:30

think should be fine for our standpoint.

46:33

Really? That was not the answer I was

46:35

expecting to get. I'm okay

46:38

with that. I

46:40

mean I wouldn't watch like a

46:43

60 FPS like movie. You

46:46

wouldn't? Oh I wouldn't.

46:48

No. 24 FPS for movie only

46:51

but like 60 you

46:53

know for our video you know

46:55

like if for we're showing FPS and

46:58

that kind of stuff yeah it might make sense.

47:00

What about like a talking head video? Nah

47:03

it's okay like I wouldn't

47:05

be bothered but I still

47:07

prefer 30 but if we decided that

47:09

we're gonna do 60 that's fine. What

47:12

if it was your decision? What if

47:14

you were empowered? I'm

47:16

gonna keep like 30. Okay fair

47:18

enough. Thanks Andy. Yeah

47:20

bye. So

47:24

basically he's more open to

47:26

it than that department

47:28

has been in the past. The

47:30

bandwidth sucks. Oh the

47:32

storage requirement. One R2 video. Yeah

47:39

that's fair. This is why a lot of platforms

47:41

don't like like it. There are there are situations

47:43

like he was saying where

47:46

it totally makes sense. Totally

47:48

completely makes sense. We haven't accidentally done it

47:50

by the way in response to floatplane chat.

47:52

We do it on purpose from time to

47:54

time. If the purpose of the video is

47:57

to make observations about the smoothness

47:59

of something. or it's really gameplay footage

48:01

heavy, we have uploaded in 60 FPS. Just

48:05

so you know, it's not something that we do

48:07

by accident. Yeah. But

48:10

like all content just magically being 60

48:12

FPS, first of all, is

48:14

not actually gonna make it better. And second

48:16

of all, it's just really expensive across the

48:18

board. It's expensive in storage, it's expensive in

48:21

bandwidth, it's expensive in rendering, it's

48:23

expensive in every way really. And

48:26

usually isn't going to offer you a benefit.

48:29

And then when it does though, it's sweet. Yeah.

48:33

All right. It's cool to support, but.

48:35

So basically we'll think about it. Typically

48:38

I have not really imposed

48:41

artistic, my artistic

48:43

will on other departments. Look,

48:47

realistically I could have said 10 years ago, all videos

48:49

are 60 FPS, like it or lump it. But

48:52

that's not really how we roll here. So if

48:54

Andy were to come around and say, hey, I

48:56

think this video should be 60 FPS, I

48:59

would never say no to that. I

49:02

have not been the obstacle to it, is basically what

49:04

I'm trying to say, but it sounds like we're

49:06

more open to it than we have been in

49:08

the past. So who knows what the future holds?

49:12

Yeah, I don't think it's that. Hit

49:14

me Dan. Hey, wan.exe,

49:16

could a theoretical

49:19

DLSS4 bring back

49:21

SLI leveraging AI to address

49:23

microstutters and splice frames together

49:25

to trick games into

49:27

thinking it's a single card removing coding

49:30

requirements? I

49:33

don't know. I don't know

49:36

enough about the architecture of SLI and

49:39

NVIDIA's modern GPUs to speculate about

49:41

something like that. But what I

49:43

will say is I doubt it.

49:48

I don't think they want to go

49:50

that direction either. At all. And realistically

49:52

guys, if they really wanted to bring

49:54

back SLI, that's not the way they

49:56

would do it anymore. Apple

49:58

has shown. that a

50:00

high speed enough interconnect can be

50:03

built to have two GPUs, two

50:05

independent GPUs functionally act as one.

50:07

It does still have issues. In

50:10

fact, we ran into this unexpectedly

50:12

when we did our video on

50:15

Apple's attempts to make

50:21

their platform more appealing to developers when we

50:24

used an M1 Ultra, M2 Ultra, whatever.

50:28

We used one of the Ultra chips to

50:31

test it. What

50:33

we found out after the fact was one of

50:35

the reasons it didn't work very well for us

50:37

was because their Ultra chips are kind of bugged

50:39

in some applications, including that,

50:41

which in fairness to us is

50:44

an Apple problem, not an

50:46

us problem, that does affect Apple's users.

50:49

Not only in this one weird beta edge case,

50:51

it's actually a problem with their product that they

50:53

need to fix at some point, but

50:56

it does demonstrate that there are definitely still

50:58

challenges even if it can be done, but

51:00

that it can be done. If

51:03

Nvidia were to build something like that, what I suspect

51:05

is that they would build it as

51:07

a product and they would build it as an

51:09

AI product. They would not build

51:12

that as a gaming product. I mean,

51:14

we're already looking at their top tier

51:16

silicon, their top monolithic die costing $1,600

51:18

by the time you equip

51:20

it with a whole bunch of VRAM and a whole bunch

51:22

of VRMs and a

51:28

big cooler and an HDMI port,

51:33

which to be clear on the card of price

51:35

is not a significant contributor, but still,

51:38

I just, SLI

51:40

didn't make any sense beyond the top

51:43

tier products because of the interconnect

51:47

overhead. You wouldn't put

51:50

that complicated, that high speed

51:52

interconnect on something That

51:55

wasn't likely to use it because it's so expensive

51:57

in terms of silicon. You would just give it

51:59

more CUDA cords. One more a I

52:01

Corps or more the intensive course of whatever you

52:03

might have you as lying like fifty series Dps.

52:05

Yeah, exactly. It's it's silliness and so they would

52:07

only put it on a top tier card. And

52:09

if they were going to do that, what do

52:11

you really want? A four thousand dollar. Gaming.

52:13

Card. At in some

52:15

people probably do, but. And

52:19

maybe a video would even though.product like if

52:21

they built at all ready for the Ai

52:23

market or workstation market Anyway then and they

52:26

were looking at a going. Up

52:28

a What? We just slap de force on this thing and

52:30

them. It goes on the

52:32

need maybe maybe they would the I just I don't

52:34

see it being in the near future. Sorry.

52:37

Does. One hit

52:39

us with one more than. Yeah,

52:41

surf's heightened. D. E

52:44

I I saw no one is

52:46

getting so we're to see are

52:48

you guys I work in fraud

52:51

and has been removed. Please see

52:53

my new yeah same stop Fighting

52:55

Evil. And. Professionals and Freeman

52:58

opens and I have recent cases

53:00

with customers falling for deep

53:02

faked ads and fraudulent credit card.

53:05

As with a I generated photos

53:07

what other tech can you

53:09

see eating criminals in the future

53:11

or sued that? yeah basically things

53:14

in that realm we we had

53:16

a topic to others, not

53:18

a longer about where people did.

53:22

Some form of a i deeply things

53:24

for a conference call the convince someone

53:26

to transfer. Millions.

53:28

Of millions of dollars and they did It's

53:30

this is of can get worse. I talked

53:32

months ago but how people were arm. They.

53:35

Were the scam was that they would

53:37

target mothers. And. They would

53:39

deep fake the daughters of voice. In

53:42

Distress In Distress which makes it

53:45

easier. Because. You like muscle

53:47

it and stuff. Ah,

53:49

I'm. And. And they

53:51

would ask for like you know, money or

53:53

whatever or handsome com than it was working

53:55

because you're playing on people's emotions and stuff

53:57

like that and you're putting them in a.

54:00

In a Not. Me

54:02

putting them in a in a know

54:04

if I'm wrong cognitive disadvantage. Yeah yeah

54:06

and if I'm wrong this horrible thing

54:08

is happening and I didn't help. If

54:12

I'm right, I'm out some money. So.

54:14

Quite a bit of people are going to. Take. The

54:17

Chance Switch. Sox.

54:20

Provide some pick up my phone anymore. This.

54:23

Are you? Honestly I get so many spam calls

54:25

and the some have to deal with the trolley

54:27

problem. If I'm not even, they're. Just

54:30

walk away since turn three hundred sixty

54:32

degrees around and walk away if you're

54:34

not in my phone. But. I.

54:36

Am a soldier? Really difficult to get in

54:38

touch with. that is it causes legitimate problems.

54:40

I miss shipments all the time, but ah,

54:42

seriously like if I if man, if I

54:44

ever ordered something I overeat and they just

54:46

like saw my number in the thing and

54:48

me instead of like testing me through the

54:51

app or whatever ads. They

54:53

have no chance had be like i guess I'm just

54:56

not getting this foods You don't call screen I call

54:58

screen. Every. Hour have it. Oh.

55:02

There's athletes sizes don't answer

55:04

my son's death and eliminating.

55:07

As dumb. As for

55:09

that, my phone's ringing. Visit.

55:12

My life seems like someone offices basically

55:14

the only person ever called me give

55:16

concerned rentals ah different tone of their

55:18

in your address book or no nonsense

55:20

glance. But. I'd like I

55:22

don't not been. I don't see if I

55:24

recognize the number anything recently as thought percentage

55:27

of my calls arm now as some is

55:29

pretty it's pretty high. One

55:32

fifth. Wife's something. Both was

55:34

something that something was like than

55:36

pretty much. My

55:39

life was doing when as you progress through

55:41

third made this kind of when it becomes

55:44

a specific with. No

55:47

choice Activists a rumor. oh you know what my

55:49

phone does have Those are has an auto test

55:51

response. So. Anytime someone calls me ah

55:53

I'm not anytime. Most of the time when

55:55

someone calls me actually says i I time

55:57

misrepresented before I send back in Autumn. Please

56:00

correct me and if they don't text me that

56:02

it couldn't be that important. That's.

56:05

Pretty. Fair. I mean

56:07

what are they calling from a landmark you're already

56:09

nice? home on. was there in distress and can't

56:11

like type on their phone but if if they're

56:13

not in your address book. And.

56:16

They can't tell you. The. Chance

56:18

that you really needed. It is like

56:20

near zero the up there so it

56:23

seems closer to me. Ah was okay.

56:25

back to the scam and questioned the

56:27

i don't know all the Ai things

56:29

are going to be absolutely horrid for

56:32

scamming it's it's gonna be really really

56:34

really really really bad I know and

56:36

this can be such creative attacks. Actors

56:38

like will get you on the phone

56:41

somehow and they'll be like ah, it'll

56:43

be something innocuous like Cel I target

56:45

you Don't forget your pipe something or

56:48

something. And then Dell the youth are

56:50

you know the it's a knowing what

56:52

those characters sound like to die. You

56:54

know if they saw it like this

56:56

would have to be quite targeted. By

56:59

somehow they managed to are you know, get

57:01

an audio feed, some a security camera in

57:04

your house or something like that if they

57:06

call you and tell you what characters to

57:08

type still use machine learning to i take

57:10

the that audio signature and then bell the

57:12

wait for you to like, log into something

57:15

even if they can't see a keyboard and

57:17

know like be able to steal passwords for

57:19

me that way like this is gonna be

57:21

things are going to get. Axel

57:24

Spy Movie. Crazy like that's a thing. By

57:26

the way, I wasn't making that up. that

57:28

whole audio signatures and being able to tell

57:30

what you typed that that? that's totally a

57:32

thing. In fact, I think the researchers didn't

57:34

even need. The recording and knowing

57:37

what you were typing it was just able

57:39

to. They were able to figure it out

57:41

to space on the vibrations or something like

57:43

that to be absolutely incredible are we have

57:45

a video coming soon by the way on

57:47

how easy it is to break into someone's

57:49

why fi if you have the hardware for

57:51

it. It's the kind of thing that I

57:53

think many in our audience are already going

57:55

to be aware of. That

57:58

many in our audience. Might not

58:00

be aware of just how bad

58:02

it is So if you remember

58:04

me know, have you seen any

58:06

the videos who's made about Camino

58:09

machines? Ok city these liquid cooled

58:11

Gp you servers and they sent

58:13

us over one probably about six

58:15

months ago now that we have

58:17

had various concepts for what to

58:19

do with and have ultimately not

58:21

executed on and finally we settled

58:23

on one. Arm. And

58:25

good timing to because they message me

58:28

the ruling on are you doing things

58:30

that server like Ah I filmed the

58:32

video today. Like

58:35

as it's not as on. We would like

58:37

to continue to have It's Vs on a

58:39

sponsorship or anything but you know it's got

58:41

like six forty nineties and it down for

58:43

the month know where it is any sound?

58:45

Anyway, we came up with a really good

58:48

concept and arm. Tanner

58:50

built the cracks in aid

58:52

or five thousand a mobile.

58:55

Why Fi cracking. Monstrosity.

58:58

And of and ah I'm using

59:00

a bunch of batteries and their

59:02

server and we didn't do is.

59:06

That would be illegal. But.

59:09

We were able. Should

59:11

we have desired? Yes. To

59:14

go anywhere near. Find.

59:16

Any wireless access points and break

59:18

into it in of fastidious hundred

59:21

and two seconds. Yeah, so you

59:23

could were drive if you are

59:25

like in a school district. That's

59:29

we're. As. A Very. Very.

59:36

Pretty. Wild. I think it's a for

59:38

a i don't put me on this

59:40

cause it'll be right in the video.

59:42

So I think for someone who uses

59:44

their phone number. Of

59:46

resistance. It was four seconds.

59:48

Yeah, So. If you

59:50

if it's purely numeric com because

59:53

each each of those are tix

59:55

forty nine these a think was

59:57

able to do about two million

59:59

per back in there. Something like

1:00:01

that, two million attempts per second.

1:00:03

And with W P A to.

1:00:06

You. Don't have to be in range

1:00:08

in order to do this either. So

1:00:10

even if we didn't have that kind

1:00:12

of hardware, we could steal everything that

1:00:14

we need. Go somewhere else. wait around

1:00:16

for it said process Egg and you

1:00:18

gotta as we can come back tonight

1:00:20

and even a lot of tech savvy

1:00:22

people don't necessarily have. The

1:00:25

proper proper protections on

1:00:27

ah, every shared resource

1:00:29

on their network. Ah,

1:00:31

I'm. Even here, almost

1:00:34

no one that I know here

1:00:36

uses Max altering. Even mad filtering

1:00:38

is not a perfect sense, or

1:00:40

there's all kinds of. This

1:00:43

this so many attack actors Once someone is

1:00:45

connected to your tap worked. So.

1:00:48

Please. For the love of all

1:00:50

that is good he is a long. Life.

1:00:52

I password with lots of characters

1:00:55

and plots, a special characters and

1:00:57

with us. On usual

1:00:59

d Deviations: If you must

1:01:01

use dictionary words, make sure

1:01:03

that it's not just. Well.

1:01:06

I used to capital letters for the

1:01:08

first letter of every word comes. To

1:01:11

thing that people to try not

1:01:13

to be predictable. Please. Please.

1:01:16

On. The Out: W P Three.

1:01:19

Much. Better. But. The problem is

1:01:21

that if you if you're ah a

1:01:23

p is not configured to reject. Wd.

1:01:26

To capable clients they are that do

1:01:29

not support w P three than any

1:01:31

w p a to thing can just.

1:01:35

Can. Act and then it'll negotiate via

1:01:37

to be paid soon and can just

1:01:39

breaking the Vp to. It's.

1:01:42

It's the whole like oh nice this

1:01:44

is cured through you be t as

1:01:46

it's to factor and it also has

1:01:48

a backup of text message. so

1:01:53

me secures the li secure part of it's

1:01:55

hum i know multiple people who have in

1:01:57

in the wake of all this ai stuff

1:02:00

moved to entirely in-person transactions

1:02:02

for highly important things. Multiple

1:02:05

people at this point in time, including some people

1:02:07

that act as companies, to

1:02:09

the point where they've made agreements with...

1:02:12

The cellular provider one seems to be

1:02:14

harder to get. The only person,

1:02:16

I don't know one person who's gotten that, but

1:02:18

it's because they have a more... much

1:02:22

smaller cellular provider. But

1:02:25

they have an agreement where if a new SIM

1:02:27

is issued, for instance, they have to be there

1:02:29

in person, it has to be them in particular,

1:02:31

and they have to provide their ID. No

1:02:34

other scenario is allowed. They will never ship

1:02:36

it, none of that type of stuff. I

1:02:38

know multiple people who have agreements at their bank, where

1:02:40

if they want to withdraw a significant amount of money

1:02:42

or wire transfer a significant amount of money or whatever

1:02:44

over a certain threshold, it has to be them, it

1:02:46

has to be in person, it has to be ID

1:02:48

verified. They can't do any of

1:02:50

it online anymore. None of it can be verified

1:02:53

in various ways. How ironic. Yeah,

1:02:55

we're going all the way back. Let's go

1:02:57

back to the... Let's bring back checks. All

1:02:59

the way back. Signatures. Let's

1:03:02

go. Yeah, it's weird.

1:03:04

It's weird that the solution is, let's

1:03:06

do all of the pre-tech things. Well,

1:03:11

we could combine pre-tech and tech. Like

1:03:13

we could have, you know, physical biometric

1:03:15

security. I could have to

1:03:18

pluck a hair out of my beard and give

1:03:20

it to them for like analysis in order to...

1:03:22

Oh, I'm gonna have to grow a beard again.

1:03:24

There you go. Shoot. Good solution. Yeah. I

1:03:27

like, I love that like, hey,

1:03:29

yeah, I'll do that wire transfer, but I

1:03:32

only do wire transfers on like every second

1:03:34

Thursday because that's when I go to the

1:03:36

bank. Might be an actual like statement that

1:03:38

people actually say in modern year. That's

1:03:40

crazy. Yeah,

1:03:44

fun one. What are we supposed to

1:03:46

be doing right now? Oh,

1:03:48

yeah, we just finished Merch Messages. Oh, yeah, that took

1:03:50

a while. That was fun though. It was. I enjoyed

1:03:52

it. It was good. I'm

1:03:55

cold. We have some of it already. Like

1:03:57

we've actually been running these for months. I

1:04:01

guess you don't see it much. Oh, these are the

1:04:03

old 3d printed crappy ones, but yeah, you're capable Thanks,

1:04:05

so you don't have to make fun of them. They're

1:04:07

pretty good I like you the

1:04:09

magnets come out of them too easily the

1:04:11

molds for the finished ones are fixed Fine,

1:04:15

I like them anyways good good magnet holder. I'll

1:04:18

break it. Oh So

1:04:20

mean I This

1:04:29

is not something that I expected to have

1:04:31

okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, hold on Okay

1:04:37

What the heck is going on your backpack

1:04:40

is it hanging off one of oh wow

1:04:43

Okay, I mean oh Well,

1:04:47

how are we supposed to are we supposed

1:04:49

to do anything with this while we're holding it? Is

1:04:53

there pictures there a plan wait

1:04:56

you have to just hold it I mean Okay,

1:05:00

why are you being tortured? Ah? I

1:05:04

mean well I probably

1:05:06

did something that's fair Okay,

1:05:09

so what are we supposed to do Daniel Desser?

1:05:11

I don't know this is a demo you

1:05:13

can move them okay? Well, there's

1:05:16

different sizes of the cable management

1:05:18

things so we've got this these cables here Do

1:05:20

you want to just pull an arch off Luke?

1:05:24

Yeah, so there you go that they can be

1:05:26

used to manage cables my strong magnet

1:05:28

these Jesus Kenseth, okay pull that one

1:05:31

off Nice

1:05:35

nice so you can hold bigger

1:05:37

cables You

1:05:40

know you're doing it in the way that it makes it

1:05:42

look easy oh So

1:05:52

Luke was Luke

1:05:55

was levering it because He

1:05:57

wants to be effective, but the point is how strong.

1:06:00

Any other was a food aware When the

1:06:02

pointlessness it's time to run with the back

1:06:04

there may be. And yeah, you can get

1:06:06

charged. Okay. Surf. Luke. rip the backpack off.

1:06:09

Am I? Am I allowed to have to

1:06:11

hold of America perpendicular from the board ice?

1:06:13

I can't explain it to the side note.

1:06:15

Note: Embrace. It with this

1:06:18

is not gonna go well. You

1:06:23

slid it off. I mean, Exactly.

1:06:26

I have several angles down here.

1:06:28

my angler government. Is

1:06:31

slogan. Come

1:06:34

on moves, don't see a. Gun.

1:06:39

Or it. anyway. the point is as lots

1:06:41

of different times as the artists there's the

1:06:43

ones that attached the cable ties is very

1:06:45

strong. Ah there's the ones that a whole

1:06:47

the our power bricks. I don't think we

1:06:49

look this whole time. one of the unenviable

1:06:51

and since I'm holding the screwdriver and as

1:06:54

didn't sign. Up never go

1:06:56

awry anyway. Thanks Dan Through this was

1:06:58

something. If

1:07:03

I could get it was were throwing

1:07:05

it up I hear I hear the

1:07:07

somewhere nice. To

1:07:10

think it was me. What

1:07:13

a demo for the summer next

1:07:16

wrists! This

1:07:18

man. Was

1:07:21

finally to customers Allen's impossible.

1:07:26

Damage. Your case, Or.

1:07:28

It is. Apparently

1:07:32

Twitter ahead and add more super

1:07:34

trying to sell our products. Ah

1:07:36

okay, hold on. hold on. hold

1:07:38

on. This with this was good,

1:07:40

this was good to. There's some

1:07:42

misconceptions pip boy in all capital

1:07:44

letters with maximum Sas says so

1:07:46

I have a wooden desk and

1:07:48

eighth ah drywall. ah and drywall.

1:07:50

Great products. Do most people of

1:07:52

middle desks arm and know but

1:07:54

what wasn't So there is that

1:07:56

they have any point in. His

1:07:58

run and go get them behind little

1:08:00

metal circle things to go on the

1:08:02

other side. So if you have a

1:08:05

wooden desk my clients or myself or

1:08:07

even the When So desk or whatever

1:08:09

you can screw or tape or glue

1:08:11

or do whatever with these little metal

1:08:13

plates and put those on to whatever

1:08:15

surface he wants the things to go

1:08:18

on. Wow! Having correct terminology for this

1:08:20

would have been awesome so I don't

1:08:22

seem like of sell them. I will

1:08:24

just go to my can hear so

1:08:26

I am holding three different plate sets

1:08:28

we have to snag. Typeset which has

1:08:30

or the standard adhesive on it. We

1:08:33

have them and that one's intended for

1:08:35

the adhesive to just hold it in

1:08:37

place while you. Ah tse. Okay so

1:08:39

you know other safe as houses can

1:08:41

I have a small art please. Have

1:08:46

a son and someone. Ah

1:08:49

I think that's ah. Any.

1:08:52

Or may medium it. Said.

1:08:55

It's a mini marks yep now the

1:08:57

small at least. They. Don't have

1:08:59

any. Oh my goodness Were just gonna

1:09:01

open mother father. And

1:09:04

mother it. Aren't

1:09:07

so this one the way it's intended to

1:09:09

be used As you got your arts, you've

1:09:11

got your plates tankers year and he's attacking

1:09:13

so you yeah you peel the plastic protective

1:09:16

peace offering just don't bother to them character

1:09:18

from going to put our time anyway. then

1:09:20

what you do is you peel lead his

1:09:22

of back off, you stick it to whatever

1:09:25

it is that you want to stick it

1:09:27

to and then you slide. The Arts

1:09:29

off. So. That this stays exactly

1:09:31

where you want it. Then you put a

1:09:34

screw through the middle and it stays their

1:09:36

size ever. Pain. I have a metal

1:09:38

desk. The.

1:09:40

V H B played Sat is intended for

1:09:42

people who don't want to screw into it

1:09:45

and just want a plate that will stay

1:09:47

forever with the it. he says arm and

1:09:49

an anus. You ever want to remove it

1:09:51

then it's needs be so. you

1:09:54

can or it'll take some time it'll probably

1:09:56

rip the paint off of your dry wall

1:09:58

and either whatever as The HP really,

1:10:00

yeah. But this is a permanent mounting solution.

1:10:03

Yeah. And then this one's

1:10:05

fun. We haven't actually really shown this yet, I don't

1:10:07

think. I haven't, yeah, I haven't seen this. I

1:10:09

know it's a thing, but I don't know anything about it. These

1:10:11

are silicone grips that go

1:10:14

with the regular plates, and

1:10:16

what they do is... What

1:10:22

they do is they have their own adhesive,

1:10:24

okay? And so they're intended

1:10:27

either for our backing or for a

1:10:29

metal desk, and they

1:10:31

are a grippy surface. So you

1:10:33

stick it down in between

1:10:35

metal and the magnet, and then

1:10:37

you lose a little bit of your perpendicular force.

1:10:40

A very small amount. No,

1:10:42

it's measurable. Okay. Well, yeah, but

1:10:44

it's fully so small. But you

1:10:47

get way less slippage. So

1:10:50

it increases the resilience that way. And

1:10:52

resilience is probably not the right word or

1:10:54

whatever, but I don't care. Finance here. Finance

1:10:56

here. You can correct. Yeah. Anyway,

1:10:59

okay. Yeah, I mean, there's... That's

1:11:02

fine, it's fine. It's been a very

1:11:04

complicated launch because there's so many things

1:11:06

to communicate. There's so many different little

1:11:08

things we've had to think through. Look,

1:11:10

we had to make jumbo loop-sized

1:11:13

cable ties. Don't

1:11:16

worry, we still have the line this size. For

1:11:19

like big power brands? The ones that are

1:11:21

definitely totally normal and fine, according to my

1:11:23

wife. Oh

1:11:25

my goodness.

1:11:28

Yeah, I'm

1:11:32

really excited. These have been a long time

1:11:34

coming and you'd think it's simple, but nothing's

1:11:36

ever simple when you've got all the different

1:11:38

sizes and all the different plate types and

1:11:40

all the different sizes of cable

1:11:42

ties that go with them and you're trying

1:11:44

to have great compatibility with the... Et

1:11:47

cetera, et cetera. It's

1:11:49

gonna be a really, really good product. And we've...

1:11:53

I really wish we had it ready in

1:11:55

time for launch, but we just haven't. I

1:11:57

wanna do a series where we...

1:12:00

go around and cable manage people setups with these things.

1:12:02

I think it's going to be a lot of fun,

1:12:04

like very ultimate

1:12:06

tech upgrade kind of vibes. And

1:12:09

I would love if it's successful for

1:12:12

us to actually expand this one to

1:12:14

audience members. So we get

1:12:16

you guys to send us like your

1:12:18

rancid gamer dens and we basically roll

1:12:20

in cleanup crew style, you

1:12:23

know, helmets and if Elijah's there and then,

1:12:25

you know, masks for everyone else and we

1:12:27

like cable manage it, I think that'd be

1:12:29

super cool. It might make more sense once

1:12:32

we also have cable

1:12:34

products to go with our cable

1:12:36

management. So we kind of come in and we

1:12:38

go because one of the things, I don't know if

1:12:40

we've talked about this yet, but I guess we're talking about it now. One

1:12:43

of the things that we want to differentiate

1:12:45

our cable products from others aside from just

1:12:47

being really high quality is the availability of

1:12:50

lots of different lengths. Because

1:12:52

I mean, right now, yeah, you can buy a USB-C

1:12:54

cable as long as you want it to be 30

1:12:56

centimeters or 60 centimeters. It's

1:13:00

about 40 or 50. It's

1:13:04

really challenging. If you care about cable management, it's

1:13:06

kind of a pain in the butt. That sucks.

1:13:09

Yeah. We're not going to be

1:13:11

able to do custom lengths, guys. It's just

1:13:14

with the way, with how, with the kind

1:13:16

of frequency that these modern interfaces run at,

1:13:18

it's just not conceivable for us to be

1:13:20

terminating them in a warehouse in

1:13:22

Richmond or whatever. Not like these are going to

1:13:24

have to be built to length. But

1:13:28

we want to offer more variety

1:13:31

of lengths and we want to have a

1:13:33

cohesive product line so that all of your

1:13:35

cable stuff matches if

1:13:37

you care about. I did notice in some

1:13:40

of our product imagery for the magnetic stuff,

1:13:42

which I've been peeping because

1:13:44

we're doing stuff for the store

1:13:46

with it, some of the cables

1:13:48

are kind of random. I

1:13:51

was thinking, man, it would look nicer if there

1:13:53

was cohesiveness

1:13:55

to the cables. Then

1:13:57

I was like, oh yeah. It will be. How

1:14:00

are we going to do that? In time. There

1:14:02

just isn't yet. That makes sense. Yep. How

1:14:08

are they with scratches as they move on

1:14:10

the surface? Scratches on...

1:14:13

Oh, I mean, they are magnets. So

1:14:17

if you want something to

1:14:19

definitely not get scratched, then

1:14:21

what you would want to

1:14:23

do is use the silicone

1:14:25

things. So you

1:14:27

would take the adhesive off the back. You put it where you want it to go

1:14:29

and then you put the magnetic arch

1:14:31

on there. The

1:14:34

problem with magnets is that

1:14:36

the force drops off dramatically

1:14:39

over distance. And

1:14:41

our differentiating factor for this

1:14:43

product, because anybody could

1:14:45

see this and make

1:14:47

a lower quality clone in no time at all.

1:14:49

The only reason this has taken so long is

1:14:52

because we want it to be good, right? So

1:14:54

if someone wanted to just make an arch with

1:14:56

magnets on the end, they could absolutely do that.

1:14:59

But most of the cost is

1:15:01

in the magnets. They're neodymium magnets.

1:15:03

They are extremely strong for their

1:15:05

size and they will really hold

1:15:08

your flipping cables in place. But

1:15:11

the problem with that is that they're magnets.

1:15:13

They're made of metal. So if you

1:15:15

put them on something soft or

1:15:18

something that has a really fine finish on

1:15:20

it, like a really nice painted

1:15:22

surface, for example, yeah, there is a chance

1:15:24

that it will get scratched. So you will

1:15:27

have to exercise some sort of common sense

1:15:30

care and attention whenever you're using them. And

1:15:32

if we were to, we considered

1:15:34

developing them such that the plastic

1:15:37

was what made contact, not

1:15:39

the metal. And it was me who made the

1:15:41

call. So if you're mad about it, you can blame me. But

1:15:44

we made the call to go with

1:15:46

magnet contact in order to best take

1:15:48

advantage of our product's best

1:15:50

strength, which is its

1:15:52

strength. And like, I don't

1:15:55

know. These ones right

1:15:57

here have been on this Wancho set for a long time.

1:16:00

long time. They don't really move. They're

1:16:03

pretty like this is oh

1:16:05

yeah they're not really moving much. They're amazing. Yeah I

1:16:07

don't know I don't think they're gonna do a lot

1:16:09

of scratching because I don't think they're gonna do a

1:16:11

lot of moving. If you're using them

1:16:13

to secure cables that you're moving often a lot

1:16:16

of those are gonna be things like USB cables

1:16:18

stuff like that moving that around unless you're like

1:16:20

really yanking on it I don't think it's gonna

1:16:22

move. Tynan's doing some really great Q&A in the

1:16:24

float plane chat right now. Zafarian

1:16:27

asked well okay but putting magnets

1:16:29

on your cables is that gonna

1:16:31

be a problem for signaling and

1:16:34

what he said was from our testing

1:16:36

static magnets which is

1:16:38

what ours are they're not they're not moving

1:16:40

they're not it's not a motor right static

1:16:43

magnets are not a problem from

1:16:45

our intros. Interesting. Yep. That's neat.

1:16:48

That's cool. Cool.

1:16:52

Alright we got to do more topics let's

1:16:54

do some topics. Yeah. Yeah

1:16:57

Nintendo sues Yuzu. Sure. Do

1:17:00

you want to throw in for later? Yeah no let's do it

1:17:03

now. Alright Nintendo has launched a 41 page

1:17:05

DMCA lawsuit against Tropic Haze the makers

1:17:07

of switch emulator Yuzu. Does Nintendo know

1:17:09

what DMCA is? Cause I'm not sure

1:17:11

that they do they just they kind

1:17:14

of seem to think it's just everything

1:17:16

to everyone sorry sorry I interrupted go

1:17:18

on. It yeah it's

1:17:20

an arguable in court thing so they can get

1:17:23

people scared about it regardless they

1:17:26

demanded that Yuzu be shut down

1:17:28

and deleted according to Nintendo Yuzu

1:17:30

users primarily use the technology

1:17:32

to subvert anti-piracy

1:17:34

protection not any of Yuzu's more

1:17:37

legitimate uses the gaming company disclosed

1:17:39

that peers of the kingdom was

1:17:41

illegally downloaded over a million times

1:17:44

in the week and a half

1:17:46

before its initial launch or sorry

1:17:48

its official launch and

1:17:50

that around 20% of download links pointed

1:17:53

pirates towards Yuzu as a tool to

1:17:55

play the game while no

1:17:57

one is claiming that Yuzu contains copyrighted

1:18:00

codes if Nintendo could substantiate that

1:18:02

it is a tool primarily for

1:18:04

the purpose of copyright infringement that

1:18:07

would be a violation of the

1:18:09

DMCA. I was pointed out by

1:18:11

Rob Fahey of gamesindustry.biz. Nintendo

1:18:16

is arguably more seriously affected by

1:18:19

piracy than console rivals like Microsoft

1:18:21

and Sony, in part because both

1:18:24

those companies have a far greater

1:18:26

number of live service, MMO and

1:18:29

always online style games. I would also

1:18:31

make the argument that both of those

1:18:33

other companies provide a hardware platform that

1:18:35

isn't a giant piece of shit. That's

1:18:40

a pretty good argument. That was my

1:18:43

primary reason for

1:18:46

buying Tears of the Kingdom, a

1:18:49

cartridge, and

1:18:51

never once putting

1:18:54

it in my switch. I

1:18:56

put it in a switch for us to do a

1:18:59

video here. I never

1:19:01

put it in mine. I

1:19:03

didn't end up playing a ton of that game,

1:19:05

but the limited hours that I did play were

1:19:08

on an ROG Ally because I didn't

1:19:10

want to run it 26 frames

1:19:13

per second or whatever it averages out to.

1:19:16

It's ridiculous. Especially,

1:19:19

there was a rumor recently, I have no

1:19:22

idea how credible it was, that the hardware

1:19:25

for the Switch 2 has

1:19:27

been in development

1:19:30

and at a late stage

1:19:32

of development for a very long time. They're

1:19:35

basically just deciding when to give us

1:19:37

a console that isn't a giant piece

1:19:39

of shit. I

1:19:41

don't know, man. Nintendo is

1:19:43

one of those companies that just has

1:19:46

such outright disdain for its users. I

1:19:49

have a hard time. I

1:19:52

have a hard time defending anything that they do

1:19:54

at this point. because

1:20:00

I know a lot of people really

1:20:02

enjoy playing Nintendo games but with ray

1:20:04

tracing yeah or at 60 frames per

1:20:07

second or you know

1:20:09

at not 720p and I know

1:20:11

this is a hey I

1:20:14

actually don't know that many people and my

1:20:17

circle is small and subsists of a relatively

1:20:19

similar type of person Situation

1:20:22

but pretty much everyone that I know that uses

1:20:24

you also owns a switch and owns the games

1:20:28

Because most people are just like yeah, it's

1:20:30

just an insanely better experience. So

1:20:32

I want to play it there This isn't actually about

1:20:35

pirating or whatever else. I

1:20:37

just like it's twice

1:20:39

the frame rate looks insanely better is

1:20:42

I don't know bigger format. Whatever. There's like

1:20:44

a lot of different arguments for it Yeah,

1:20:48

I don't know it sucks I know

1:20:51

there's other people on the interwebs that are a lot

1:20:53

more invested in this So if you are interested in

1:20:55

it, there are a lot of people covering this right

1:20:58

now So you could look up arbiter K asks, when

1:21:00

are we getting the beauty page pageant agent? Internally

1:21:04

I have been pleaded with

1:21:06

to not do it. Yeah

1:21:12

It's not the kind of thing that I can make a

1:21:16

unilateral decision on anymore.

1:21:18

I am no longer the CEO so

1:21:21

I could be an asshole

1:21:24

and I could be

1:21:26

like Haha, I

1:21:29

insist because I am

1:21:31

technically the majority shareholder, but

1:21:33

that's not how a

1:21:35

constructive relationship works

1:21:38

between shareholders

1:21:40

and board members and

1:21:44

shareholders is the chief executive That's

1:21:49

Not how a healthy relationship works between

1:21:51

this shareholder and the other shareholder that

1:21:54

Luke just mentioned That's

1:21:58

just not how any of this works So

1:22:00

it is not a decision that I will be making

1:22:02

on my own. I would still like

1:22:04

to do it. Yeah, I think there's a way

1:22:07

I Understand

1:22:09

it's a minefield. It's so

1:22:12

basically here's the problem. We

1:22:14

could do it we could run a beauty

1:22:16

pageant where people's beauty is judged by the

1:22:18

way, they could play super smash bros and

1:22:23

You know while they wait for judging,

1:22:25

you know, we could do that if Nintendo

1:22:28

decides to take legal action. We are you

1:22:30

believe it or not still

1:22:32

a very small company

1:22:35

in the grand scheme of things and

1:22:37

the legal costs for That

1:22:41

type of action should they

1:22:43

drag on long enough could

1:22:45

significantly harm our ability to continue

1:22:47

to operate I

1:22:49

know that yeah, I don't

1:22:53

Fully understand where it comes from I think some

1:22:55

of it is my fault because I talked about

1:22:57

that valuation that we got when there was the

1:22:59

offer to buy But there's

1:23:01

there's a perception. I think that we

1:23:04

are an enormous Company

1:23:06

that we're some kind of heavy hitter and

1:23:09

in the YouTube space. I Guess

1:23:12

so. Yeah, we're in sort of an

1:23:14

and we're in a very very elite

1:23:16

company in terms of our Scale

1:23:19

right like we have over a hundred people who

1:23:21

worked here but a

1:23:24

hundred in Canada is

1:23:27

the threshold for like a

1:23:30

medium-sized business Which were just we're

1:23:32

just barely we are actually Not

1:23:36

a large company. Yeah, we've been

1:23:38

we've been very successful We've been

1:23:40

very lucky But when you have

1:23:42

a 100 million dollar valuation or

1:23:44

offer that doesn't necessarily mean that

1:23:46

you have a 100 million dollar

1:23:48

valuation That could mean that

1:23:50

there's some projected growth So

1:23:53

you could have been at a very high

1:23:55

multiplier of your EBITDA It

1:23:58

does not mean that I have a hundred million dollars in

1:24:01

the bank. That's super duper not how

1:24:03

that works at all. I'm

1:24:06

not complaining. I'm doing really great and

1:24:08

I'm deeply appreciative to all of our

1:24:11

viewers and all of our

1:24:13

team members and everyone, but I

1:24:15

don't have a hundred million dollars. A hundred

1:24:19

percent, I promise. So

1:24:22

for us to go toe to toe

1:24:24

with someone like a Nintendo is

1:24:27

a legitimate risk that it would be up

1:24:29

to the leadership team

1:24:32

to decide to tackle, not

1:24:34

me. Yeah,

1:24:43

and it sucks because it would be really fun to

1:24:45

do, but it is incredibly dangerous. And

1:24:48

for the same reasons that we would

1:24:50

want to do it, or for

1:24:53

highly related reasons to why we would want to

1:24:55

do it, Nintendo would probably want to come after

1:24:58

it. Because

1:25:00

we're trying to like, you know.

1:25:03

We're very obviously trying

1:25:05

to get around it,

1:25:08

trying to set an example to a category. Well, no,

1:25:10

no, no, no. We wouldn't be trying to get around

1:25:12

anything. We wouldn't be trying to set

1:25:14

any examples. Yes. That is not

1:25:17

the case. We would be trying to run a

1:25:19

beauty pageant. That's true. I

1:25:22

would like to make it very clear. That's true.

1:25:25

That is what we would be doing. The plan is, you

1:25:27

know, if they were going to do activities between, they

1:25:29

could do a variety of activities. They could.

1:25:32

They absolutely could. Yeah. In

1:25:34

fact, maybe that

1:25:36

would be a good thing. Yeah. If

1:25:38

they could do anything they wanted. Yeah. Maybe

1:25:42

they play another game. You know, the

1:25:44

console is there. Maybe they play tic-tac-toe.

1:25:46

But there's a variety of games available.

1:25:48

Maybe there's lots of consoles available. Maybe

1:25:51

they play hopscotch. I

1:25:55

mean, it's just time between judging. We're

1:25:59

just trying to make it work. more entertaining for them. Fascinating.

1:26:04

Yeah. Alright.

1:26:08

So, we'll see. Long story

1:26:10

short. How did that

1:26:13

come up? We're talking about Nintendo

1:26:15

and DMCA and Nintendo just being generally

1:26:17

jackasses. Okay. Our

1:26:22

discussion question here is what happens if Nintendo wins,

1:26:24

what happens if they lose? I

1:26:26

mean, I think if Nintendo wins, it's going

1:26:28

to send huge

1:26:30

shockwaves through the emulation

1:26:32

community. I think that this

1:26:35

is a very important

1:26:37

battle here. This

1:26:40

will almost certainly

1:26:42

set a precedent for future similar

1:26:45

battles. With

1:26:48

that said, I would be very

1:26:51

surprised if suddenly

1:26:53

Nintendo emulation and

1:26:56

suddenly game piracy disappears because

1:26:58

of this. I mean, if

1:27:01

it was as simple as winning

1:27:03

battles in court, then music

1:27:06

piracy wouldn't exist and movie piracy wouldn't

1:27:08

exist. It would just go more underground.

1:27:11

But coming back to our

1:27:13

conversation earlier, that may be enough.

1:27:16

That may be enough friction that

1:27:18

enough people buy Nintendo games legitimately

1:27:20

that it maybe won't

1:27:23

matter anymore. I mean, I would honestly

1:27:25

make the argument that even Yuzu as

1:27:27

it is, is

1:27:29

very high friction. The

1:27:31

vast majority of people I know.

1:27:34

And this is people I know.

1:27:36

This is not people that some

1:27:38

random not tech circle

1:27:40

person interacts with. The vast

1:27:42

majority of the people I

1:27:44

know would either

1:27:47

A, not be able to figure out how

1:27:49

to get Yuzu running, or B,

1:27:52

would be able to, but look at it and go,

1:27:55

no. I

1:27:59

got something else to do. It's

1:28:01

a bit of a pain in the butt and if you

1:28:03

know exactly where to go and

1:28:06

which file is safe and exactly

1:28:09

what directory to put it in and whatever, yeah, yeah,

1:28:11

sure, it doesn't take long. You can get

1:28:13

Yuzu up and running in like three minutes. But

1:28:15

if you don't know all of those things, man,

1:28:18

you can end up on

1:28:20

some sketchy sites and

1:28:22

you can end up, it

1:28:26

could potentially, and this is

1:28:28

a very real risk, it could potentially cost you

1:28:30

a lot more than some

1:28:32

Switch games. So

1:28:36

yeah, you end up with some stupid key logger

1:28:38

on your computer, you get your identity stolen, that's

1:28:41

going to be not worth it, Doug.

1:28:43

Yeah. So. With

1:28:46

all that being said, I honestly think this might bring

1:28:48

more eyeballs onto Yuzu and Switch emulation in general than

1:28:50

ever before. I've never

1:28:52

been more tempted to download it and I've never downloaded it in

1:28:55

the past. It's pretty good. Yeah.

1:28:58

Yeah. I've never bothered. I

1:29:00

don't know, whatever. Yeah. If I'm

1:29:02

going to play a Switch game, it's usually because I'm probably

1:29:05

going to be in a situation where I only have my

1:29:07

Switch anyways. Right, and you don't have an ally, so. Yeah.

1:29:10

You're by yourself. Yeah. You

1:29:12

have no ally. Except if Yuzu does get

1:29:14

sued into Oblivion and told to delete, their

1:29:16

thing would disappear. Yeah, except

1:29:18

it wouldn't because it's open source. Yeah. So

1:29:21

it's not going anywhere, which kind of makes the whole thing feel

1:29:23

kind of, yeah. Yeah. Good

1:29:26

job, Nintendo. But the easiest

1:29:28

way to grab it would be to grab it

1:29:30

now, if that was the case. I'm

1:29:33

not saying you should. Remember

1:29:36

that time Nintendo was talking about doing

1:29:39

a sponsorship deal with us? How

1:29:41

glad do you think they are that they didn't do it? Remember that

1:29:43

time they flew me out to Toronto? No. Yeah.

1:29:46

Oh yeah, and then you crushed that little kid in

1:29:48

Mario Kart? Wow. Yeah,

1:29:51

really? You're so proud of that, you have

1:29:53

to bring it up right now. She

1:29:56

beat a child at Mario Kart,

1:29:58

a little girl. Pathetic.

1:30:01

Did they cry? No. They were upset.

1:30:04

They were beyond tears Dan. So, yeah, they brought us out

1:30:06

to Toronto to check out the Switch and then I was

1:30:08

trying to

1:30:13

like test it but I wanted to check

1:30:16

like controller range and stuff and they wouldn't let me. And

1:30:18

then they were doing a Mario Kart mini tournament

1:30:20

up on the stage and they put me on

1:30:22

the far side of the stage from the actual

1:30:24

Switch console itself. And

1:30:29

I was having a very hard time and at this point

1:30:31

in time I played, I would

1:30:34

literally like, okay, so some people

1:30:36

don't know this, back in the old house when we used to

1:30:38

film out of the house, I lived in the basement. I

1:30:42

actually genuinely lived in the basement. So what I would do is

1:30:44

I would wake up, I would go upstairs, I would go to

1:30:46

work, I would work, I would come back downstairs and I would

1:30:48

play Mario Kart until I fell asleep and then I would fall

1:30:50

asleep. I used to be very, very good. And

1:30:53

that's around this time. So I

1:30:56

expected to do quite well against a bunch of

1:30:59

randoms effectively but I could barely even drive. I

1:31:01

was having a lot of issues. I

1:31:03

felt like the controller was disconnecting so I started

1:31:05

asking them like, do I need to move closer?

1:31:08

Is this a range issue? And they're like, no, no, no,

1:31:10

no, no. And one

1:31:13

of the people near me was like, yeah, you must just like not

1:31:15

be that good. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, all right, next

1:31:17

race I'm going on the other side of the stage. So

1:31:19

I switched sides of the stage but they swapped

1:31:22

one of the people out and it was like

1:31:24

this little girl. And I was like, okay, well,

1:31:26

I need to prove that I'm good. So I

1:31:28

was like crushing everybody. But my plan was to

1:31:31

pull off to the side right before the end and not actually

1:31:33

win the race. And then I didn't

1:31:35

realize that they had the training wheels thing on. So

1:31:38

I turned into the side and it dragged me over

1:31:40

the finish line and forced me to win. So

1:31:46

I like crushed this whole race and then

1:31:48

I get to the end, smack into the

1:31:51

wall and then drag over. And

1:31:57

a bunch of people were like, what? Like

1:31:59

we under. that you didn't have to do that.

1:32:01

I was like, I didn't want to. The

1:32:07

real joke is Luke thinks he crushed it, but he

1:32:09

was the only one with the training wheels on. Oh

1:32:14

man. So it

1:32:17

was quite the moment, yeah. It

1:32:22

felt like a jerk. Totally looked cool

1:32:25

at that event, for sure. Anywho,

1:32:28

somebody jail broke a prison laptop. Yeah.

1:32:32

Twitter user Zephrey Winting bought a

1:32:34

prison laptop, which I didn't know

1:32:36

was a thing. Yeah, all electronics,

1:32:38

prison, so they have like transparent

1:32:40

TVs and everything. Transparent?

1:32:43

Translucent, whatever. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Clear

1:32:45

plastic. So they bought a prison

1:32:47

laptop off of eBay, apparently assuming that it

1:32:50

would be a normal laptop in a clear

1:32:52

chassis. The laptop's case and

1:32:54

keyboard are transparent in order to make it harder

1:32:56

for an inmate to smuggle contraband, but

1:32:59

it also had no storage drive,

1:33:01

no USB port, and no apparent

1:33:03

operating system. The computer

1:33:05

consisted almost entirely of an Intel Celeron

1:33:07

N3450, 4 gigs of LPDR3 memory, a

1:33:10

Wi-Fi module, one

1:33:15

SATA port, exactly one, and

1:33:17

a proprietary connector for a dock of some kind.

1:33:21

Zephrey Winting crowdsourced advice on

1:33:23

how to jailbreak it and

1:33:25

wound up bypassing the password,

1:33:27

hotwiring in a USB hub, and

1:33:30

installing Ubuntu. Winting then

1:33:32

bypassed the system's hard drive ban list in

1:33:34

order to add an SSD, followed

1:33:36

shortly thereafter by playing FreeDoom,

1:33:39

of course. I

1:33:41

mean, that's about it. I just thought this

1:33:43

was pretty funny. Here's

1:33:45

the post on Twitter. Yeah,

1:33:49

I just had no idea

1:33:51

that this was a thing. Yeah. I only

1:33:54

heard about this before this, but only fairly

1:33:56

recently, and apparently it's like all electronics. I

1:33:59

would just Bibleize. laptop that came in

1:34:01

that chassis. That's awesome. Yeah, it

1:34:03

looks sweet. If

1:34:06

anyone from Framework is watching, please?

1:34:08

Oh, that'd be sick. I

1:34:10

would be super into this. So

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market's changing. I

1:37:26

know we're like done the ad, but like, I know,

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right? That makes me actually infinitely more

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interested in it. I'm so

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excited for the future. I might

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just go pick that up. That's sweet. It

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also reminds me a lot of chess puzzles, which

1:37:40

I like a lot. In-person transactions, buying

1:37:43

things once. Yeah. What

1:37:45

year is it? The girl days are now! We're

1:37:49

back. Bringin' back stone tablets. Hey.

1:37:52

I told you the abacus was a good idea. I

1:37:55

bet you if someone made like

1:37:58

an artisanal stone tablet. Oh,

1:38:00

yeah, that would be they could they could sell and

1:38:02

that like yeah, they could they could definitely sell Hi

1:38:07

LDL, I'm a relatively

1:38:09

new mainframe storage engineer Do you

1:38:11

think going deep into mainframe or

1:38:13

legacy technologies is a boon for

1:38:16

companies in need or

1:38:18

backing yourself into a corner limiting options?

1:38:22

For companies in need I Mean

1:38:25

if you need it then you need it. Yeah, I Mean

1:38:28

I think that for a long time The

1:38:32

cloud was just treated like

1:38:34

this this one

1:38:37

size fits all solution to every

1:38:39

problem and I remember being really

1:38:41

frustrated because We would

1:38:43

take this constant criticism for building

1:38:45

storage servers Why are

1:38:47

these why are these idiots not just

1:38:50

putting in a good idea how much it costs?

1:38:53

To upload somebody had to build a server

1:38:55

Somewhere the upload is often decently cheap

1:38:58

and then they will Destroy

1:39:00

you whenever you need to recover.

1:39:02

I know I know the point

1:39:04

is just somebody Somebody had

1:39:06

to buy the hard drive. It

1:39:08

could be us. It can be someone else Someone

1:39:11

had to buy it and they're gonna

1:39:13

get paid. It's that's it's that simple. There

1:39:15

is no free lunch So people do what

1:39:18

why are we not using the cloud? The

1:39:21

sometimes there's nice scalability and But

1:39:25

like we We

1:39:27

need to be able to access it video

1:39:30

edit from the Google Drive. Yeah, are you

1:39:32

high? Yeah, so people do but it's like

1:39:34

it's a terrible experience. No, it's a terrible

1:39:36

experience And just the I guess

1:39:38

the thing that drove me most crazy

1:39:40

was the level of I don't know

1:39:42

pomposity What what pomp pompous, you know,

1:39:45

just like how right? People

1:39:47

thought they were about how my solution of

1:39:49

17 USB connected external

1:39:52

hard drives is definitely better No, it wasn't

1:39:54

those guys. It was the cloud guys. They're

1:39:56

like it's so it's so that this is

1:39:58

this is the path And it's like, you

1:40:01

know what? Yeah, it's caused problems, but not

1:40:04

for a long time. It would have been worse. At

1:40:06

all points in time, it would have been worse. I

1:40:09

don't know. It is what it is. Because

1:40:11

even when there's a big issue with it,

1:40:13

we have the backups, which is the equivalent

1:40:15

of what we have in the cloud. So

1:40:17

it's like... And now we do.

1:40:20

We didn't have the backups then. Well, it's

1:40:22

been a while then. I don't know, man.

1:40:24

And a lot of the people who looked

1:40:26

at the Petabyte Project data loss and were

1:40:28

like, see, I was right. No,

1:40:31

you weren't, because I just wasn't going to

1:40:33

pay that kind of money to

1:40:35

store all that in the cloud. It wasn't... The data wasn't

1:40:37

that important. And it's something I said.

1:40:39

I said it explicitly in

1:40:41

the video. In fact, I'm pretty

1:40:43

sure I said it when we built the Petabyte Project. I was like,

1:40:45

this is a single copy. I know

1:40:48

that, because I don't want to

1:40:51

pay for a redundant copy of it. That is a decision

1:40:53

I am making. We have the YouTube videos that are uploaded.

1:40:55

Google probably isn't just going to shut down YouTube. I know

1:40:57

they shut down a lot of things, but they're probably not

1:41:00

just going to shut down YouTube. So it's not

1:41:02

like we're just going to leave it right now. And the

1:41:04

raw footage was always a nice to have. It was not a

1:41:06

need to have. These

1:41:09

days, things are a lot safer, but the

1:41:11

Petabyte Project server, which now is like three

1:41:13

petabytes or something like that, is

1:41:15

still not replicated. It has...

1:41:18

There's only one copy. It's redundantly

1:41:20

stored. It's raided, but there's

1:41:23

no replication. If it goes down,

1:41:25

it goes down, and that's too bad.

1:41:27

We have like three or four copies

1:41:29

of Wanik server. That matters

1:41:31

a lot, because that's got footage that

1:41:33

we have not yet edited. There

1:41:36

is no finished video. It's not uploaded to Floatplane or

1:41:38

YouTube or whatever else. Anywho,

1:41:43

hit me again, Dan. Hi, LLD.

1:41:45

In the US, we've recently had

1:41:47

a cyber attack on Change Healthcare

1:41:49

that has shut down

1:41:52

about a fifth of all

1:41:54

healthcare transactions. Haircuts? Haircuts! I

1:41:57

was wondering if you've heard about it up

1:41:59

in Canada. No. No,

1:42:02

but I think this kind of thing is going to become more

1:42:04

and more common. And especially by state

1:42:07

actors, you're going to see them going after

1:42:09

things like infrastructure. All of

1:42:11

a sudden, if the eastern

1:42:13

seaboard doesn't have any working traffic

1:42:15

lights or if your hydroelectric dams

1:42:17

just stop functioning, it's going

1:42:19

to be far more detrimental than traditional

1:42:24

types of warfare and or will enhance

1:42:26

the effectiveness of traditional types of warfare.

1:42:29

And it's going to be a very, very scary

1:42:31

time, folks. Being positioned as a deterrent, a lot

1:42:33

of different countries, it's an

1:42:36

open secret that they are in each

1:42:38

other's infrastructure. And it's like,

1:42:40

yeah, if we end up in a war, you'll

1:42:43

have no water, power, anything,

1:42:46

mutually. And that would suck

1:42:49

a lot. And like millions of civilians

1:42:51

will die. So maybe we shouldn't go

1:42:53

after each other. That's another layer

1:42:55

of deterrence. Last

1:43:00

one I got for you here. Yo, Linux just

1:43:03

got hired as the first salesman

1:43:05

for a video game production company

1:43:07

looking to grow video production company

1:43:09

video production company. Sorry, they're split

1:43:11

here. Looking

1:43:13

to grow. How did you know it was the right

1:43:15

time to build out a sales team and who's the

1:43:18

first sales hire? I

1:43:20

knew it was the right time because I didn't have time to

1:43:22

keep doing it. I was the one who was doing all

1:43:26

the sponsor negotiations. And

1:43:29

it was a ton of work. Like

1:43:31

obviously I understand the product really well. I

1:43:33

can sell it. But

1:43:35

what I ended up doing was not selling

1:43:38

it for as much as I could have because

1:43:40

I didn't have time to negotiate and I couldn't

1:43:42

get back to people in a timely

1:43:45

manner. And so our customer service wasn't very

1:43:47

good and stuff. And our

1:43:49

first hire was actually Luke's friend because

1:43:52

I don't know, he might know business stuff

1:43:54

and stuff. I don't think I

1:43:56

interviewed a ton of people for the position. Yeah, I

1:43:58

was wondering what your... Election of that

1:44:01

would be because I was annoyed

1:44:03

with Linus for giving money back

1:44:05

to companies. The. Remember this.

1:44:08

Now. We. Would like do a project

1:44:10

in they'd be happy with it and you'd be like

1:44:12

I wasn't good enough and they'd be like oh we're

1:44:14

like pretty happy with it you diagnose, take some my

1:44:17

back. He. Did that multiple times. I

1:44:19

know one of them, and I know I murmur one of

1:44:21

them very vividly. but I know you do that more than

1:44:23

once. The twenty

1:44:25

remember vividly an unsecure just I don't remember that.

1:44:27

Probably fine for me to see the company name

1:44:29

but I'm just I'm the type. It like one

1:44:31

of my whole thing that up to the sales

1:44:33

team about this i'm now is. The.

1:44:36

Idea is not to do a one time deal.

1:44:39

I can probably to said but I

1:44:41

just okay the idea is not to

1:44:43

do a one time deal, the idea

1:44:45

is to deliver enough value that they

1:44:47

want to come back for more and

1:44:50

to and to at to have a

1:44:52

recurring business relationship with with anyone who

1:44:54

engages with the because it's so much

1:44:56

easier to retain a customer than it

1:44:58

is to attract a new one was

1:45:00

I think it's super widget but the

1:45:02

original prices already low and they were

1:45:04

happy with their asses is is it

1:45:06

was Corsair but what? What was it

1:45:08

though the remember. What has x It was.

1:45:10

it was. And. Was.

1:45:16

It's a sword one. On

1:45:19

him a sort of things Essence know

1:45:21

there was like I'm losing his word.

1:45:23

It was not salary quiet. Okay with

1:45:25

that timeframe. Blue and Preacher was corsair.

1:45:30

Soon. Think it was around that time though.

1:45:32