0:00

Oh,

0:17

hey. Stop. It's WAN Show. Gonna

0:19

get some bitches. Get some pussy.

0:22

Sub silent loop. In

0:25

all seriousness though, we've got a lot of great topics

0:28

for you guys and it's gonna be a bit of an unusual

0:30

show. YouTube's updated

0:33

swearing in violence policies have caused

0:35

masked monetization of gaming YouTubers

0:37

videos. Wizards

0:42

of the coast has backpedaled on

0:44

OGL changes after community backlash.

0:46

Pezo moves ahead without them.

0:50

There's been some interesting developments around

0:52

the seventy nine hundred XTX and the problems

0:54

it's been facing courtesy of our friend

0:56

Roman Dairbauer And

0:59

Luke had oral surgery, so

1:01

he can't really talk. Hence,

1:03

the get ups. Let's go

1:05

ahead and roll that intro. Oh,

1:12

no. I'm the one who does that. Alright.

1:35

So why don't we jump

1:37

right into our main topic

1:39

for the day? Prominent gaming

1:41

creators had stoked community backlash

1:43

against YouTube over recent changes

1:46

to its ad friendly content

1:48

guidelines, which has caused many

1:50

of said creators videos to be

1:52

age restricted and or

1:54

demonetized. Hence, the title

1:57

of the video and I

1:59

mean, I guess, live benchmark

2:02

of YouTube's content filtering because

2:04

I went out of my way to attempt

2:07

to break their new filters or

2:09

rather break the rules within

2:11

the first eight seconds of the video. The

2:14

livestream went in went live almost

2:16

instantly on YouTube, which I'm not used to.

2:18

Normally, there's about a five to fifteen

2:20

second delay. I might have missed the window,

2:23

but I I took my best

2:25

shot at it. Now starting in October

2:27

of twenty twenty, the guidelines stated

2:29

that frequent use of strong

2:31

profanity could result in limited or

2:34

no ads. But in April twenty twenty

2:36

one, the guidelines changed to allow

2:38

creators to use moderate profanity like

2:41

shit and bitch within the first

2:43

thirty seconds of a video. In

2:45

November twenty twenty two, YouTube

2:48

issued a major update though to these

2:50

guidelines. Not only could profanity be

2:52

used within the first seven seconds?

2:55

Oh, not only could profanity used within the first

2:57

seven seconds lead to limited ads, but

2:59

all profanity was now treated equally

3:02

except for hell and dam,

3:04

which apparently are no

3:06

longer being treated as profanity anymore.

3:09

Hell, like damn. Damn

3:13

is not even a swear word anymore. We're

3:17

all going to hell. Profinity

3:19

used after the first eight seconds

3:21

though was apparently fine as long as it

3:23

was not excessive. The update

3:25

also specifies that standard

3:28

gameplay where gory injuries are

3:30

present within the first eight seconds

3:32

would lead to limited adds. On

3:35

December twenty fifth, Daniel Quorum

3:38

of RT Game asked YouTube for help

3:40

after one of his videos was set to limited

3:43

ads. And in addition

3:45

to denying his appeal, YouTube subsequently

3:47

flagged over a dozen more of

3:49

his past videos. Condrian believes

3:52

that they were flagged because he escalated

3:54

the issue. Oh,

3:57

you know what? Looks like Riley and I are

4:00

Kind of of the same mind here. Riley says, yeah,

4:02

it does look like that. But as all

4:04

powerful as the algorithm is, it is

4:06

actually not scanning every YouTube video

4:08

all the time. So when attention is brought

4:10

to offending content, it humans

4:14

are more likely bought. Probably

4:16

checks related content. Pro

4:20

z d has apparently tested the policy

4:22

already waiting eighteen seconds before

4:24

swearing and the video still got

4:26

demonetized. Hey, Dan.

4:30

Can we just throw up our sponsors down here?

4:32

To just just thank them for being

4:34

part of making sure that we can run this demonetization

4:37

experiment. Do wanna just throw

4:39

throw them up on the on the bottom for me just one

4:41

after the other. Hey, look at that. We got Notion

4:43

today. We got FreshBooks. We

4:46

got Squarespace. Those are

4:48

some damned good sponsors. Hell

4:51

yeah. This

4:55

morning, YouTube gave a statement

4:57

to the Virgin and we've actually gotten a statement

4:59

up here which I have not had the pleasure of

5:01

reading yet because I was busy getting dressed

5:04

up for the show. In

5:06

recent weeks, we've heard from many creators

5:08

regarding this update, YouTube spokesperson

5:11

Michael Asaman. Oh.

5:14

So he's an Aspenman. I

5:16

thought maybe more of a more of a boobman, but

5:20

an Aspen. Okay. Good. I told the village.

5:22

That feedback is important to us, and we are in

5:24

the process of making some adjustments to this policy

5:27

to address their concerns. We will follow-up shortly

5:30

with our creator community as soon

5:32

as we have more to share.

5:34

Well, that's not really a statement. Is it?

5:38

No, it's not. He agrees. Thank

5:40

you for that. We've

5:44

got a few discussion questions here.

5:46

First of all, what responsibility does YouTube

5:48

have to inform creators of changes to its

5:50

guidelines, both current or upcoming? think

5:53

Honestly speaking, that's the

5:56

biggest problem here from my point

5:58

of view. It's not that the rules

6:00

exist. Right? Like, It's

6:02

been pretty common sense for us for a

6:04

long time that you gotta

6:07

understand. Add safe guidelines

6:09

don't come from YouTube. They

6:12

come from advertiser tolerance

6:15

towards a particular thing. So

6:17

we all have our own colonial,

6:19

you know, moral and taboo

6:22

compasses. Right? Like, for some

6:24

people, full frontal nudity

6:26

is, like, whatever. Like, my understanding as

6:28

a North American where that's like,

6:32

is that in Europe? You can, like,

6:34

have a billboard on the side of the

6:38

fucking road. K? Look

6:40

for benchmarking the thing. Okay? You can

6:42

have a billboard on the road with, like,

6:45

full frontal nudity on it. It's like, yeah, what?

6:47

You know, like Holland or whatever. Over

6:49

here, I mean, you show

6:51

a little bit of crack And that's,

6:54

like, like, not the kind you smoke. Like, the kind

6:56

out, the back of your butt or the front of your chest.

6:58

Right? Like, you're So

7:01

edgy. Right? I mean, that was more true

7:03

twenty years ago. But even

7:06

even today compared to compared to other

7:08

regions of the world, it's it's

7:10

different. Right? So everyone has kind

7:12

of like their own their own ideas, whether

7:15

it's nudity or violence or profanity

7:17

for for what can be considered

7:19

tolerable. By the way, for those of you who

7:21

watching who do not like a profanity riddled

7:24

win show, we'll be back to normal next

7:26

week. Feel free to

7:28

let your kids tune in. We will not

7:30

have the video marked. We are trying to get

7:32

demonetized. That's how you'll be able to know the difference.

7:36

Riley apparently is adding

7:39

notes in real time here. Note

7:41

excessive or excessive

7:43

profanity can Okay.

7:46

This is does he take it? He's not a good

7:48

typing board keyboard guy. Excessive

7:52

profanity can lead to So

7:54

don't overdo it, I think, is what he's is what he's

7:57

trying to say. Anyway, my issue is

7:59

not that YouTube has rules. Rules exist

8:01

for a reason and it's because brands simply

8:03

don't like their brand next

8:05

to content that they feel could reflect poorly

8:08

on them. Whether that is

8:10

Whether that's rational, like whether that has

8:13

any any any data

8:15

backing to it or not, sometimes

8:17

people make emotional purchases be

8:20

it a gorgeous tech

8:22

themed water bottle or be it

8:24

a marketing campaign. Okay? And

8:27

if they see something that they don't like, they

8:29

could experience buyer's remorse and

8:31

not work with that platform again. So I get it,

8:34

The issue from my point of view,

8:36

and I think Luke agrees, is

8:38

that this is just

8:41

happening. It's just it's just

8:43

happening in the night and people

8:45

aren't being informed. And clearly,

8:48

it wasn't common sense to

8:50

some of the people who use a lot of profanity

8:52

and expect advertisements to show up on their videos

8:55

just fine. And not only

8:57

was it you know, not common sense or whatever,

8:59

but the community has ultimately figured out

9:01

where the line was. People were

9:04

figuring out how to stay within it.

9:06

And then the line moved. That

9:10

is not okay. I

9:12

mean, Yeah. I think this is Luke's cursor

9:15

now because it typed a lot faster. You

9:18

know, Luke says it's kinda Luke figures,

9:20

you know, it's like when Elon randomly started

9:22

banning everyone that was doxxing

9:24

people on Twitter when what really happened

9:27

was he changed the definition of

9:29

doxxing. So if YouTube is banning

9:31

people or not banning, but demonetizing people

9:34

for using too much profanity.

9:36

When even just the words too much,

9:39

or excessive are

9:42

fucking meaningless. Right?

9:45

How how are how are people supposed to

9:47

deal with that? And you gotta You gotta understand.

9:49

Right? YouTube is not some rinky

9:51

dink little platform that, you

9:53

know, people upload to for fun anymore.

9:55

This is people's livelihoods that are at stake.

9:58

Unless they have really great sponsors like,

10:00

can you can you get those sponsors across the bottom

10:02

for me again? Just wanna just wanna shout out our

10:04

sponsors who hopefully, thanks,

10:06

Notion. Are comfortable

10:09

being next to this kind of, thanks, fresh

10:11

books. Unsavory

10:14

unsavory, you know, language. Right?

10:17

Squarespace. Squarespace too. Shout out Squarespace.

10:19

If if they haven't ditched me yet, they're

10:21

not gonna ditch me now. Now

10:25

our second discussion question here is

10:27

what response ability do creators have

10:29

to be aware of potential changes like this

10:32

and play it. Safe cough cough LMG.

10:35

And that's true. I

10:37

mean, you know, Luke

10:39

has not been in favor at

10:42

times of our family friendly

10:44

approach to I

10:46

mean, really a lot of things. Like,

10:48

we get edgy sometimes. I

10:50

think that the how to hide your pornography

10:53

video was among the edgiest things

10:55

that we've ever done. But

10:59

we mostly get edgy in, like, kind of

11:01

a silly toilet humor innuendo

11:04

kind of way. We don't go straight

11:06

for, you know, really, really

11:08

vulgar language or you know,

11:10

really graphic really

11:13

graphic language or or imagery.

11:15

And a big part of that has been

11:18

out of staying advertiser friendly. It was a

11:20

business decision. It was not because I

11:22

have any particular aversion to using

11:24

cuss words. As

11:27

for what responsibility creators have,

11:29

like, that's tough. Right? Because creators

11:32

are supposed to be diverse

11:35

Right? That's one of the benefits

11:38

of the platform. And there's

11:40

a certain I don't think that

11:43

for our type of content, And for

11:45

our message, there's any particular

11:47

need to swear. And personally,

11:50

I consider a bleeped

11:53

to be funnier than a not bleeped fuck.

11:55

I think that I just I

11:57

find it to be comedically superior.

12:02

Okay? So that's a a huge

12:04

part of the reason that we do things the way that

12:06

we do, but also because

12:09

we want to remain advertiser friendly.

12:12

However, I think that there

12:14

are creators whose personalities or

12:18

whose message could

12:20

be aided by speaking in a

12:22

way that is true to themselves, and

12:24

that might involve some cussing. And

12:26

so for me to say or for me

12:28

to pass some kind of judgment, right, on

12:31

the responsibility that creators have

12:33

to be aware of potential changes and

12:35

play it safe, I think it's

12:37

it's one of those things where my

12:41

opinion is irrelevant. And so is

12:43

his. Right? Like,

12:45

we're we're coming at this from a space, from

12:47

a personality that doesn't need to communicate

12:50

in that way, whereas Some

12:53

people do. And I I just I

12:55

want YouTube to be a place where

12:57

all kinds of creation can thrive. That

12:59

is as long as you're not spreading disinformation,

13:02

spreading hate, you know, engaging in

13:05

in illegal activities if you're recruiting

13:07

for ISIS or some shit, then as far as

13:09

I'm concerned, you can get the fuck off the

13:11

platform. Mhmm. Right? But man,

13:16

a couple a couple f bombs. I

13:19

don't know, it's tough. I think that I

13:21

think that if advertisers haven't already

13:24

gotten used to the fact that YouTube

13:26

is like kind of a

13:28

zoo. There's a little bit of everything.

13:31

You know? Sometimes it's the

13:33

kind of zoo where, you know, They had

13:35

more than two of that kind of animal. You know what I'm

13:37

saying? You know, they got they got a lot

13:39

going on. It's

13:41

cluster. Okay? That's what I'm trying

13:43

to say. Our

13:47

our next discussion question that Luke and I

13:49

will be discussing is what would

13:52

need to happen to enable a a YouTube

13:54

level platform that doesn't rely on potentially

13:56

British advertisers for revenue. Wait,

13:58

that's float plane. Except it isn't right,

14:00

because we know we know

14:02

it's not a sustainable model. Right? Like,

14:05

once you've got a certain amount of momentum,

14:07

like, LNG, which

14:10

I shouldn't call it that. Lyness Media Group

14:12

has over thirty thousand paying

14:14

subscribers on Flowplane that are anywhere between

14:17

we have, like, o g grandfathered in

14:19

members at a three dollar, three

14:21

US dollar a month tier. That is

14:23

no longer available, hasn't been for years. In

14:25

fact, I think the percentage of three

14:28

dollar tier users is really

14:30

dwindling these days. We have

14:32

a five dollar tier and then we have a ten dollar

14:34

tier that gets you four k which is higher bit

14:36

rate than YouTube's four k. And most

14:38

importantly, not necessarily image quality,

14:41

but our audio is uncompressed,

14:43

which is one of the big reasons that someone

14:45

like Dankpots is on float plane for

14:47

his garbage time streams. But

14:50

it's super cool because he

14:53

he drums. Right? And YouTube's

14:55

audio compression twitch for that matter

14:57

makes it so that, like, it

15:00

doesn't have the dynamism that

15:02

flow plane streaming can get him. Right?

15:04

And so it's great for

15:06

people like us who have that

15:08

kind of critical mass that

15:11

I mean, you guys do the math. Right? Thirty

15:13

thousand people paying anywhere

15:15

from realistically five to ten dollars

15:17

a month is not an insignificant amount

15:20

of revenue. It justifies a development

15:22

team. It justifies us

15:24

investing in a a group of

15:26

people that makes exclusive content just

15:28

for that platform. Right? Or for

15:30

someone like for someone like tank pods. Right?

15:33

Where he's got a specific use case

15:35

for it and a dedicated audience

15:37

that is really into that kind of content

15:39

that will pay for it monthly. But I've had

15:42

lot of people point out like, hey, liners.

15:44

I couldn't help noticing I have to pay for every

15:46

creator. That adds up too fast.

15:48

I can't afford it. I get

15:51

it. Hundred percent. You

15:53

are right. A

15:55

platform like vessel where you can pay

15:58

one time and get all you can't

16:00

access to every creator on the platform, that's

16:03

way better. But you

16:06

aren't YouTube. Right? So

16:08

let's say you have a hundred thousand users

16:10

or something like that. Okay? Even a pretty

16:12

good number of users. You got hundred thousand

16:14

users. Okay? They're paying five dollars

16:17

a month. That's five hundred thousand dollars

16:19

a month. That's a ton of money. For it

16:21

all, you can eat platform, okay, wait second.

16:23

Hold on. How many creators do I have on here?

16:25

If I've even got fifty

16:28

creators. Right? All of a sudden, now

16:30

we're talking We've got five hundred thousand.

16:33

Oh, boy. Divide

16:36

by five. Okay. That's twenty grand a month.

16:38

That's that's a ton of money. Man,

16:41

yeah, how can we get to how can we get a hundred thousand

16:43

subscribers on FlowPoint? Man, not okay. Anyway,

16:47

the point is, you would have more than fifty creators.

16:49

If if we if we built a platform that

16:52

was like an all you can eat, that was like a a

16:54

smorgasbord model, what would happen

16:56

is the share for those individual creators?

16:59

If we had fifty that were the size of LTT,

17:01

for example, the share of that revenue

17:04

for each of those creators that's left by the time

17:06

you deal with payment processing fees, which are significant.

17:10

Man, we haven't talked about the exact numbers in a

17:12

long time, so you're gonna have to just kind of

17:14

let me know. If I recall correctly,

17:16

it was fifteen percent flat per transaction

17:18

plus a percentage, give

17:20

or take? Is it twenty five flat? don't know. The

17:22

point is it is a significant

17:25

amount of money when you're looking at a five dollar

17:27

transaction. The lower the transaction, the

17:30

bigger the proportion it is because you have to deal

17:32

with that flat fee no matter what. So

17:34

essentially, you're just in rich in credit card

17:36

companies, which the world definitely needs more

17:38

of, obviously. So

17:42

as soon as you start to divide it, between

17:44

more and more and more and more and more creators, they

17:47

lose their incentive to actually

17:49

even bother to upload on the platform

17:51

because You know what? I'm gonna get

17:53

my like sixty I'm MKBHD. Right?

17:56

What? I'm gonna get my sixty dollar check-in

17:58

the mail or even my six hundred dollar

18:00

check-in the mail. You know, I don't wanna you

18:03

know, obviously, I don't know exactly

18:05

what his numbers are, but I work

18:07

in the same vertical. I have some idea.

18:09

I can tell you that a six hundred dollar

18:11

check to Marquette is pretty much a rounding

18:13

error. Right? And with his

18:15

costs, you you guys gotta understand.

18:18

I'm not saying that because he's like so out of touch

18:20

and just has so much money. I'm just saying

18:22

that he's running a business over there. He's got a

18:24

dozen plus employees nice

18:26

space, good equipment. He's trying

18:28

to do a great job of what he's doing. Okay? It costs

18:30

money to do that. And that

18:33

amount of money Ain't

18:35

gonna make a huge difference. So

18:40

oh, okay. Hey. A. J. Is posted in a

18:42

Flippling chat. I was apparently way off it

18:45

is actually thirty cents per

18:47

transaction, plus a percentage. So

18:49

on those three dollar transactions in the

18:51

early days, We were giving up

18:53

ten percent right off the bat

18:55

to a flat transaction fee. Now, I

18:58

haven't been looking at the chat lately, but I'm sure

19:00

some people are asking about Nebula. Nebula had

19:02

a very very different model

19:04

where essentially they have a partnership with

19:07

Curiosity Stream that makes it

19:09

so that you are basically

19:12

getting Nebula for free if you

19:14

sign up for Curiosity Stream who

19:16

sponsors a lot of Nebula creators

19:19

effectively paying

19:21

creators to promote getting

19:26

their nebula subscription for

19:28

free. So it's like, is

19:31

anybody actually paying for Nebula? Probably.

19:34

But are more

19:36

people likely paying for Curiosity Stream and

19:38

getting Nebula for free? Probably.

19:42

So it's a really interesting model over there.

19:44

And then the creators on Nebula

19:47

are stakeholders in Nebula. And

19:49

my understanding is that that is dependent

19:51

on the size of the creator and overall

19:53

contribution to the momentum of the platform. And

19:56

so what that means is that even

19:58

if your check from nebulized four dollars

20:01

a month or whatever because whatever

20:04

depends how many people are watching, I guess. They

20:06

don't have any external viewership stats or

20:08

anything like that, which usually means that it's

20:10

not heavily used. So

20:12

it doesn't matter though if you get a sixty dollar

20:14

check. Because essentially you're getting

20:17

paid to promote it by one

20:19

of the the associated media

20:21

companies. And then you are

20:23

maybe in the event of

20:26

of an exit, in the event that Nebula

20:28

gets sold, you are getting some

20:30

some cut of that of that sales check.

20:32

So it's a very very different model.

20:35

It's maybe someday something

20:37

will happen, and also there's this very

20:40

convenient synergy here with

20:42

Curiosity Stream that I'm sure

20:44

makes sense for Curiosity Stream on some level.

20:48

Very, very different dynamic from what Flowplane

20:50

is, which is the money from

20:52

the subscribers you can drive today,

20:55

right now, and is sustainable. We

20:58

don't need we don't need any external

21:00

backing nothing like that. We are

21:03

we are profitable now. It's amazing

21:05

how many people I still see talking about the

21:07

epic failure that was flow plain. Guys,

21:11

the numbers are right on the site.

21:14

They're right on the site. Flowplane

21:16

is doing through LTT alone.

21:20

At least. What is it?

21:22

Calculator. Okay? So

21:24

five times thirty

21:26

thousand. K? Here

21:29

we go. Five

21:33

times thirty thousand times twelve. Flowplane

21:36

is doing at least one point eight million

21:38

dollars US a year in revenue

21:40

and that's just on LTT.

21:43

We don't have a ton of creators on the platform.

21:45

I admit The model doesn't make a ton

21:47

of sense for everyone, but what it is is

21:50

it is sustainable. And

21:52

Luke and I, I think, have been proven

21:55

Maybe not right, but not

21:57

wrong multiple times since

22:00

Flowplane's inception. I mean, look at

22:02

all the controversy there was around Patreon

22:04

and Vimeo. When Patreon was

22:06

effectively having people just

22:08

put up unlisted videos on YouTube for

22:10

the longest time. And then there was the integration

22:13

with Vimeo where Patreon

22:15

creators were able to use video to host their videos.

22:17

And then all of a sudden, video

22:19

kind of went, Bandwidth

22:22

and storage are expensive. If you guys

22:24

don't start paying for ProTear Vimeo

22:26

hosting, all your videos are

22:28

gonna go away. See you later. And then now

22:30

I think Patreon is self hosting video,

22:32

but I haven't actually looked at the quality

22:35

of the service since then, so I can't really

22:37

speak to if it's if it's any good or anything

22:39

like that. Yeah.

22:43

Level one tax has another eight hundred followers.

22:45

I I know I know garbage time streams,

22:48

like, hundreds. I know that forgotten

22:51

weapons has hundreds, if not.

23:00

Oh. Forgotten weapons does not

23:02

disclose how many subscribers are on Flowplane.

23:05

Forgotten weapons, good guy. And

23:08

Good channel. Doing good. Why don't I

23:10

just say that? The good news is I actually didn't

23:12

know if that number was accurate, so

23:16

you can assume it was wrong. Nate.

23:22

Let's move on to our next topic. Wizards

23:25

of the coast has backpedaled on

23:28

OGL changes after community backlash,

23:31

sort of. We've got a big

23:33

update for you guys, but first for those of

23:36

you who didn't tune into the show last week.

23:38

Let's give you a little bit let's get

23:40

you up to speed a little bit. Wizrs on the coast

23:42

owned by Hasbro. Runs, Dungeons and

23:44

Dragons, basically,

23:47

had a license agreement in

23:49

place with whether it was third

23:51

party content creators or

23:54

whether it was, like,

23:56

community run companies or even

23:58

actually companies with significant

24:00

revenues based on their Dungeons and

24:02

Dragons IP. They had a license

24:04

in place that pretty

24:06

much allowed you to create derivative

24:09

works without paying any

24:11

kind of royalties and without worrying

24:13

about any sort of legal action. The license

24:16

was perpetual, and it is a

24:18

huge part of why the

24:20

DND community has grown so vibrantly

24:22

over the last couple of decades. I

24:24

mean, we're talking everything from third

24:26

party add ons to I

24:29

mean, you know what? A perfect example

24:32

of someone that could be affected by this

24:34

is that local creator, Filthy Lot.

24:36

Where they're doing those d and d

24:38

live reenactments, where they

24:41

where they play the game and they do these, like, super

24:43

high production value reenact of their

24:45

tabletop games. I could

24:47

see someone like that. Even

24:49

if they ultimately aren't infected and

24:52

they don't need to pay twenty five

24:54

percent of their revenues to whizzards

24:56

to the coast, I could see them being worried

24:58

about the legal ramifications of the new

25:01

general license. And

25:03

that's one of the things that changed all of a sudden,

25:06

almost overnight with almost

25:08

no warning. Any companies that

25:10

were profiting off of Dungeons and Dragons

25:14

were going to have their license agreement

25:16

changed. So this included

25:18

a twenty five percent revenue garnish

25:22

that the fact I think you had to submit basically

25:24

anything to do with Dungeon and The Dragons to

25:26

them for if not approval, at

25:29

least for them to to look at

25:31

and be aware of. There were

25:33

a handful of other particularly awful

25:35

things and it was basically gonna happen like in a

25:37

couple of weeks. Now the thing leaked and

25:39

the community got understandably outraged

25:42

because This is wizards of the coast basically

25:44

coming in and going, you

25:47

know what? The D

25:49

and D community, the players, are

25:52

woefully under monetized. And

25:56

that's not even me just

25:58

like trying to sound like an evil executive.

26:01

The CEO of wizards of the coast actually

26:04

said that, which is terrible.

26:07

Describes the player base as under

26:09

monetized. And it's

26:11

like, even

26:15

if you're right. Okay?

26:18

Even if your NBA ass

26:20

knows what you're talking about. Come

26:25

on, man. Come

26:28

on. You can't.

26:31

That's like it. It's

26:33

Oh, man. How do I how do I it's

26:35

just it's just disrespectful. Like,

26:37

it's like if I it's like if I refer to

26:39

you guys as as walking wallets

26:42

instead of our community.

26:45

Right? Even if I saw you

26:47

that way, even if I fucking

26:49

did. Right? You walk

26:51

in wall at pieces of shit Even

26:54

if I felt that way, you

26:56

don't say the quiet part out loud, it's

26:59

not tactful. It's disrespectful. So

27:07

anyway, let's get you guys up to speed.

27:09

D and D Beyond staff, oh,

27:12

Oh, okay. Have released a statement about

27:14

the recent OGL changes. They

27:16

have three goals in mind.

27:18

Oh, they had three goals in mind.

27:20

Okay. To prevent the use of

27:22

DND content from being included in hateful

27:25

and discriminatory products. Okay. To

27:29

address those attempting to use DND

27:32

in web three slash blockchain slash

27:34

NFT material, I'm already calling

27:37

bullshit on this. Because the

27:39

document Okay. So the original the original

27:41

license agreement was like, how

27:43

many pages? I don't remember, but the

27:45

new one's like nine hundred pages and

27:47

has extensive documentation about,

27:50

like, web three voicemail blockchain, NFT

27:53

crap. And as far as I can

27:55

tell, This is not about preventing others

27:57

from doing it. This is about making sure that

27:59

they can do it and others can't. Anywho.

28:02

Hold on. And reason number

28:04

three, to ensure that OGL is

28:07

for the content creators slash home brewer

28:09

slash aspiring designers, etcetera,

28:12

as opposed, I guess, to anyone who's

28:14

looking to commercially profit off of it. But that's

28:16

the thing. You gotta understand. When

28:19

you create an open ecosystem, where

28:21

people can profit, you create a financial

28:23

incentive for creativity. That's

28:27

the whole point. That's

28:29

what you benefited from. And

28:32

so now you're basically going, this

28:35

is going great. Let's get

28:37

more benefit. Alright.

28:44

There were apparently two principles driving

28:46

these goals. Be good stewards of

28:48

the game and that the OGL exists for the

28:50

benefit of the fans. Nothing,

28:52

this is a quote. Nothing about these principles

28:54

has wavered for a second. All

28:57

of the royalty language was apparently meant

28:59

to apply to large corporations attempting

29:02

to use OGL content and wasn't meant to

29:04

impact the vast majority of the community.

29:07

Man, that's problem when the lawyers get involved.

29:09

Even if that's true, even if that was the

29:11

intent. The problem is that

29:14

the OGL Seems

29:17

to give them a lot of flexibility to crack

29:19

down on pretty much anything that they didn't

29:21

agree with. The next OGL

29:23

will contain provisions Let's going

29:25

back to back to this. To protect and cultivate

29:28

an inclusive environment, education charity

29:30

livestreams cause play, etcetera, will remain unaffected.

29:33

Okay? But, man, there's

29:35

some really there's some really fine lines

29:38

here. Right? Like, okay.

29:41

What is cause play? If

29:44

I dress up as some

29:46

DND IP character

29:49

or class of character, What? I

29:51

mean, can can you can you

29:53

copyright a fucking elf at

29:55

this point? Right? I

29:58

don't think so. So okay. So I

30:00

so I so I I'm cosplaying some

30:02

d and d something. And it's it's clearly let's

30:04

say it's clearly infringing. Right? What

30:10

if I cause play and I'm in

30:12

the video? What

30:14

if that video is monetized? What

30:16

if I didn't profit, but the maker

30:18

of the video profited? What if

30:20

I what if I'm not in a video? What if

30:23

I'm just at a con? I'm at

30:25

I'm at like some I'm at tax or I'm

30:27

at comic con or I'm I'm at something.

30:29

I'm at some kind of I'm at some kind of gaming

30:31

convention. What if

30:34

What if, you know, I mean, imagine me.

30:36

Okay? I wanna be like I wanna

30:38

be a sexy elf. Okay? You know,

30:40

I've got a bikini. As part of my as

30:42

part of my cause play. Right? Exactly.

30:45

Right? So someone slips a

30:47

someone slips a one to my g strength.

30:50

Okay. Have I profited now? Is this commercial?

31:00

There's clearly some fine lines here is what I'm

31:02

trying to say. Now they

31:04

also say Content released under

31:06

one point o a will remain unaffected.

31:09

No royalty structure included. No

31:11

life back provision under the new OGL,

31:14

you will own the content you create. Okay?

31:17

They've also said that the OGL update will

31:19

not release today, but it is coming. What we

31:21

saw was a draft sent out to content creators.

31:24

Nobody drafts a

31:26

document like Okay. Yes.

31:29

You do draft a document like that. But

31:32

a draft of a document like that

31:34

is unlikely to be so

31:36

far off the mark. If

31:38

it was all about cultivating

31:42

and inclusivity as

31:44

opposed to where's my money?

31:47

Where's my money bitch? Alright.

31:57

There was a very cheeky and salty line

32:00

that was applied to

32:02

this announcement that is being made fun of online.

32:05

Second, you're gonna hear people say that they

32:07

won and we lost because making your voices

32:09

heard forced us to change our plans. Those

32:12

people will only be half right. They

32:14

won, and so did we? The

32:19

fuck is wrong with you. Who

32:25

talks like that? Who

32:27

sends a letter like that to

32:30

their customers? That's

32:32

like that's like them releasing a

32:34

fucking t shirt? That's

32:36

like Trust

32:46

me, bro. The new OGL

32:48

will be epic. Okay.

32:53

But seriously seriously

32:57

though, in the case of the warranty

32:59

drama, our track record

33:02

and our intent was

33:04

clear. We have always

33:06

had a basic policy for

33:09

customer care. Make it right.

33:12

We got a little slow. Okay? We have

33:14

quadrupled the size of our customer care team

33:18

We are actually I was told that

33:20

by today, we would be down to twenty four hours,

33:22

and we haven't actually told

33:25

anyone yet. But some of the temps, I

33:27

believe, will actually be retained because

33:29

we're gonna be building new systems whenever there's

33:31

downtime when it comes to actually responding to

33:33

tickets. One of things we're gonna start doing

33:35

is combing through reviews on the site for feedback.

33:38

We're gonna be compiling that for product development

33:40

team. So, essentially, like,

33:43

customer customer, you

33:45

know, ticket answer department

33:47

is going to turn into more of, like, customer

33:50

experience department and is going to

33:52

be designed to continue to make

33:54

everything better from response

33:56

times to to

33:59

future products to even even, like,

34:01

midstream reviews or midstream reviews.

34:03

Midstream improvements on existing products, you can

34:05

expect to see all of that from us in the future.

34:08

Oh, apparently, it's called customer satisfaction.

34:10

Is that what the department's called? Okay.

34:13

Whatever. Whatever. Whatever we end

34:15

up calling it, it's it's it's not just

34:17

about answering tickets. And The

34:22

t shirt wasn't miscalculation. I'm

34:26

not gonna lie. I still think it's funny.

34:29

But I live in my head. Where

34:31

I knew my intent all along. And the thing

34:33

that I missed in all of that, the thing I totally

34:35

missed in all of it was that a

34:37

lot of you don't. Right?

34:40

You don't. You don't know what my intention

34:42

was. And I've told you guys, you know,

34:44

don't don't trust or at

34:47

very most, trust but verify. Right?

34:49

And so, for me, it

34:51

was very obvious. I'm looking at it going well, I've

34:53

got this super long track record of taking

34:55

care of our community. Also, even

34:57

if I didn't, I would be insane.

35:00

I'd be insane to screw anyone

35:03

over. If we actually did,

35:05

right, Like, if we

35:07

actually did, look at how much it

35:10

blew up when we didn't

35:12

actually screw anyone over. If

35:14

we actually just started denying

35:17

warranty claims on products on

35:19

our store, it would explode.

35:22

It would explode the entire techosphere. I'm

35:25

not a sucker for that kind of punishment. So

35:28

from my point of view, It was, hey, I've got

35:30

this track record and b isn't this obvious.

35:34

But from your point of view, we feel you were

35:37

a first time viewer of that show. Maybe

35:39

you're a first time viewer of this show. It's usually

35:41

not like this. Maybe you were first

35:43

time viewer of that show. Right? Maybe you'd

35:45

never ordered from the store before. Maybe you actually

35:47

had no context whatsoever for what

35:49

our policies were. And maybe all

35:52

you saw was quite

35:56

wealthy, Influencer.

35:59

That's a reference to last week's show as well.

36:03

Basically, you know, saying, you know, if

36:05

you want a warranty, well, you know,

36:08

go fuck yourself basically. Right? And

36:10

that was never my intention, but

36:13

I think we've made good on it. And I

36:15

think that in the same way, even

36:18

though they issued this spectacularly

36:20

stupid statement, they

36:23

still have an opportunity to not

36:25

screw this up. They

36:28

still can. They haven't actually

36:31

released the new OGL. Until

36:34

they do, they can still

36:36

reverse course. Well,

36:41

yeah. Okay. So Luke's Luke's

36:44

got some thoughts. They have already

36:46

permanently alienated large parts of the

36:48

community. This is and all in the name of what

36:50

inclusivity. Good

36:52

fucking job. And

36:57

they have also, if the idea

36:59

here, was to not allow potential

37:02

competitors to benefit from

37:04

their content. Man. This

37:06

was the biggest shot in the arm that

37:08

they could have possibly given to their

37:10

competitors. Just this

37:12

morning, Pieso began solidifying

37:15

their own OGL. It will apparently be

37:17

system agnostic, perpetual, and

37:19

irrevocable an open

37:22

RPG creative license, ORC,

37:24

they are looking for a nonprofit organization

37:26

with a history of open source values to own

37:28

the license, this would be similar to the Linux

37:31

Foundation and are

37:33

essentially coming in and saying,

37:36

even if these guys reverse course,

37:39

What they've shown is that

37:41

you're a walking wallet and you can't

37:43

trust them. I

37:46

mean, yes. Technically, the

37:49

original OGL. Technically,

37:52

the original OGL while it was perpetual

37:55

was not you're revocable. They're

37:58

not probably outside of

38:01

what is legal. But they are outside

38:04

of what is in my opinion morally

38:06

acceptable. When I see a perpetual

38:09

license, That doesn't mean to

38:11

me, hey, this

38:14

is going really great. I'm creating

38:16

all of this content. In

38:18

this amazing ecosystem that

38:21

is going to be be mine as part

38:23

of this ecosystem forever. And I can

38:25

I can monetize and I can use to hire great

38:27

creatives to make more content. This is gonna

38:29

be amazing, and we're gonna do this forever.

38:32

And oh, by the way, one day,

38:34

you can say, actually, no. And

38:36

then all of that will change, and now you're gleaning

38:38

twenty five percent of my revenue. No.

38:42

When I hear perpetual, what

38:44

I understand is not perpetual, but

38:48

like then, and then, like, less perpetual

38:50

later. I think that I think, you

38:52

know, from a non lawyer standpoint, I

38:54

think that means perpetual. Right?

38:57

Like, we've got a document called the

38:59

perpetual land show document. Okay?

39:02

That doesn't mean that every that this land

39:04

show document is perpetual until

39:06

we decide to make AAAA

39:09

femoral wan show document.

39:13

Okay? It's perpetual.

39:15

This is the only land show document. We

39:17

used to have a separate document every week, but

39:19

we now have a perpetual land show document

39:21

because that way we don't have to make sure shared to all

39:23

the stupid accounts on all the different computers and everything

39:26

every week. Yeah.

39:28

TeamViewer. Jam fuck nine

39:30

nine ninety one nineteen in full yeah,

39:33

exactly. When I buy a perpetual license

39:35

to your fucking software, that means

39:37

it's mine forever, not it's perpetually mine

39:39

until you decide it isn't mine anymore. No.

39:42

No. No. Forget it. Alright.

39:45

So our discussion questions here. Who should

39:47

take charge of ORC? I mean, honestly, I don't

39:49

have enough experience in it to say. How

39:52

truthful? Oh, this is great. Some of our other discussion

39:54

questions are really great though. Luke,

39:58

if you think it was truthful. The wizards

40:00

of the coast's intent was to stop bigotry

40:03

and n f t's. Say nothing.

40:06

Or wait. No. Don't say say something.

40:09

Crap. I set that whole thing up and then I

40:11

got it completely wrong. Fuck. Fitch.

40:21

Okay. And not

40:23

capitalizing at or as in Orcs

40:25

versus humans not ORC. I have no

40:27

idea what you're talking now. Anyway, I'm talking about

40:29

now. Luke says,

40:31

I think you can even say things. Like

40:33

your fan slash user base is woefully

40:36

under monetized. But yes.

40:38

Yes. This is what was

40:40

trying to explain the situation to Yvonne over

40:43

dinner last night, where she was like

40:47

sorry. Like, what's what's going on? Like,

40:49

she never ever played dungeons and dragons

40:51

like I mean, she she has

40:54

kind of a knack for legal documents and,

40:56

like, license agreements and stuff these days because

40:59

in the absence of a company lawyer.

41:01

She did she ran a lot of legal documents

41:03

for us and had to learn to

41:05

understand them for the most part. Because, like,

41:07

even when we had a lawyer in

41:10

many of the early days, we couldn't just

41:12

afford to have that lawyer like sit and look at

41:14

everything So we would look at it, figure

41:16

out what our questions are, what sections they needed

41:18

to look at, and just utilize them as little

41:20

as possible. Lawyers be expensive. Alright?

41:24

So she hadn't even seen the document, but I'm, like, kinda

41:26

trying to explain what's going on. And I'm,

41:28

like, yeah, they're basically what

41:30

they're doing is they're taking this existing

41:33

vibrant ecosystem and they're going, how much

41:35

can I squeeze it? How much

41:37

value can I extract instead of

41:39

asking themselves? How much value

41:41

can I provide? And I don't

41:43

think anyone would have complained if

41:46

they had come up with some amazing

41:49

new offering for their customers. And

41:51

said, hey, but this

41:54

costs money. They

41:57

well, oh, they might have complained. Sure.

41:59

But it wouldn't have been like this.

42:01

It didn't have to be like this. That

42:06

will increase monetization Yeah.

42:08

So the example that Luke was thinking

42:10

was, you know, how do you how do you

42:12

increase your monetization by offering something

42:14

new? So instead of offering just

42:17

T shirts on LTT store. We

42:19

developed a backpack. We developed

42:21

a screwdriver. The point is

42:23

not to just increase the price of

42:25

t shirts, which if you guys know, we have

42:27

never actually done. Our t shirts

42:29

are still nineteen ninety nine US,

42:32

which is twenty dollars. I know.

42:34

There's still twenty US dollars just

42:36

like they always have been regardless of whether

42:38

they're blank or printed. By the way, I have a

42:40

bit of an update for you guys. We are apparently

42:42

working with three or four printing

42:44

shops locally, trying to get some samples

42:46

in. The thing that drives me most crazy

42:48

about our previous printer is that the quality

42:51

was great. We actually loved

42:53

working with them. Oh,

43:00

I keep saying ORC when

43:02

referencing the OpenRTB creative

43:04

license, but it's apparently pork. That

43:07

makes sense. Hilarious. I'm

43:10

also not technically wrong. It's all caps.

43:14

Technically right. The best kind of right.

43:17

Actually, the quote is technically correct. But

43:21

let's get let's get pedantic today, shall

43:23

we? Why

43:26

don't we why don't we get to a couple of

43:28

merch messages actually? If you guys wanna

43:30

send a message into the show, the way to do

43:32

it today is through a new feature.

43:35

That we developed to add additional

43:37

value. We saw a feature that

43:39

was broken and sucked merch messages,

43:42

which don't show up in our dashboard properly,

43:44

and we went, hey, that's

43:46

stupid. Look at

43:48

this. Here's here's two merch. I'm sorry,

43:50

did I say merch messages? Here's two

43:52

super chats. K? Here's two superchats.

43:55

Oh, good. One of them is here.

43:57

What happened to the other ones? I don't

43:59

fucking know. Nobody fucking

44:01

knows. It's gone. So we

44:04

saw something was broken. Also, by the way, why

44:06

are you just giving Google money to build features

44:08

that don't work properly? That

44:10

has been broken for two years. Unbelievable,

44:15

unacceptable, merch messages,

44:18

men. How will it take?

44:20

I'd like I'm I'm pretty sure the first iteration

44:22

of merch messages was ready in less than a week.

44:25

It was amazing. Okay? And

44:27

what's best is that instead of getting

44:29

Google, a big cut of the money that you

44:31

send to us, you actually get to give

44:33

it to people like, well, used to

44:35

be our t shirt printer. But anyway, You get to give

44:37

it to people like A Mega Pro

44:39

and pH molds and the companies that we

44:42

work with on this crude driver. You get to give

44:44

it to our our creator warehouse

44:46

team who gets paid out of that money. You

44:48

get to actually get something in the

44:50

mail. Right? You don't just give that

44:52

money away. You give it to people who are

44:54

actually making real things that you might

44:56

actually wanna have like a really nice insulated

44:58

water bottle. It's better. So

45:01

so merch messages were developed so that you guys can

45:03

interact with the show in a way that is better for

45:06

everyone. Does it cost money? Yeah.

45:09

But we have received like zero

45:11

pushback on merch messages. Some people

45:13

complained we were doing too many of them, but then

45:15

for every person who complained we were doing too many of

45:18

them, there was at least three people saying

45:20

merch messages are my favorite because it's basically

45:22

q and a time. So our response to that

45:24

was we do a couple of them early on in the

45:26

show, so I can talk about how to spend how to

45:28

spend a merch message. Friday and

45:30

slip. Love it. How to send a merch message,

45:32

you go on LTT store dot com, you pick up something,

45:34

doesn't that? If you're not, You know, if we don't have anything

45:37

fresh and new that interests you, you can always just pick

45:39

up a gift card. Okay? You can spend it later.

45:41

So you go to all to d store dot com and the checkout, you'll

45:43

see a place to leave a merch message. It goes to

45:45

our producer, Dan. Stop producer,

45:47

Dan. He will

45:49

either respond to you. He'll just show your message

45:51

if you'd like, hey mom or whatever happy birthday

45:53

to a friend or whatever, you can just have it show up

45:55

down there, or sometimes he'll curate them

45:57

so that Luke and I can check them out later.

46:00

And if we don't

46:02

get to it, well, hey, at least to get your

46:04

order in the mail. Heck yeah. Any

46:07

who? Let's do a couple of them now and then Well,

46:09

right. So I was gonna say our compromise was we do

46:11

a couple of them early in the show. We talk about how to send

46:14

them, and then we address the rest

46:16

of them sort of more towards the end of the show when it

46:18

evolves into absolute chaos. Dan

46:20

hit me with couple merch messages. Let's go. Okay.

46:22

got one here from Vincent.

46:25

A sinus out of Navidea, Intel

46:27

and AMD, who's overall the biggest liar,

46:29

and out of those, which lie was the most

46:32

personally offensive. Why

46:35

did you ask this on this funny land show?

46:37

Corporations is a liar sometimes.

46:39

Right? Wow.

46:42

You specifically called out Intel

46:45

AMD and Nvidia. Now,

46:48

here's the thing. Companies

46:51

are made up of departments, which

46:53

are made up well, okay. No. Hold on.

46:56

Companies are made up of

46:58

business units. Which are made up of

47:00

departments, which are made up of

47:02

teams, which are made up of people.

47:05

So if I was to

47:07

if I was to zero in on

47:10

an egregious lie, I

47:13

mean, I could pick I could pick any one of them.

47:15

Man, I just

47:18

about pulled an all nighter. K?

47:20

When AMD's bulldozer processors

47:22

came out, because our

47:25

AMD rep at the time told

47:27

me they were freaking awesome.

47:29

Sorry, excuse me. Fucking awesome.

47:31

He was like, man, these CPUs

47:34

slap bitches harder than Dana White. Oh.

47:43

Sorry. I'm trying to get into character. Okay?

47:46

You're gonna kill the pair of us. Anyway,

47:53

he he tells me, Get

48:02

it together, Luke. Anyway,

48:05

he tells me that the CPU is

48:07

amazing. At the time, right,

48:10

I am I am ghost writing for hardware

48:12

Connex, which was owned by NCI X.

48:15

And I'm working on like our launch

48:17

day, you know, coverage. I'm trying to overclock

48:19

it or whatever. And I'm sitting here.

48:21

I'm benchmarking late into

48:23

the night going. This thing's a piece of shit. But

48:26

I was told it's great, but it's the middle of

48:28

the night right the night before the embargo

48:30

because I only got it like that day. And

48:34

I'm sitting, you're going, everyone else is

48:36

gonna make me look like an idiot. I can't publish

48:39

these numbers. This thing is dog slow.

48:42

And then it comes out, and it's like,

48:44

it sucks. And I'm sitting here going, well, that

48:46

would have been great to know. But,

48:51

I mean, Okay. was about

48:53

to say that's not AMD's fault.

48:55

AMD does have a culture of

48:58

overhyping crap products that

49:00

that suck. It's

49:02

usually closer to, you

49:04

know, white lies, I guess, or

49:07

don't know if they're white lies. It's usually closer

49:09

to bending the truth. I

49:11

get is it AMD

49:14

lies? Okay. Intel lies, lots.

49:18

NVIDIA. NVIDIA is just

49:20

a bunch of insidious fucks. Like,

49:23

let's face it. They they have a culture of being

49:25

insidious fucks. And

49:28

don't kid yourself, you know, just because

49:30

just because Intel dresses nicer and is

49:32

more respectful to you, doesn't mean I do leisure

49:34

businesses. Right? They exist to

49:36

separate you from your money. However,

49:40

there are people there. I wanna

49:42

I wanna go back to the other side of this coin.

49:45

Whether it's Nvidia or whether it's Intel

49:47

or whether it's AMD. I have

49:49

met some of the most genuine, passionate

49:52

enthusiastic people that I've ever encountered

49:54

in the industry. Because all

49:56

of these companies, insidious fucks

49:59

that they are, are profitable, which

50:01

allows them to spend lots of money

50:04

to attract super passionate, super

50:06

intelligent people to work on their products.

50:09

So what I'm trying to say is

50:12

that corporations is a liar sometimes.

50:14

Absolutely. But corporations

50:16

is actually also full of enthusiastic, amazing,

50:19

highly intelligent, honest people.

50:23

Right? Like, I remember running into one

50:25

of the people that advocated for

50:27

us for skull trail at Intel.

50:30

And he was just like, yeah, that was like my passion

50:32

project. I was like, you're awesome.

50:35

That was so cool. It was basically Intel

50:38

server platform in gamers clothing

50:40

and overclockable at the time. Right? It

50:42

was awesome. Bleeding edge

50:44

made no commercial sense, but they did

50:47

it. Right? You know, and it's it's

50:49

the same thing for companies like Nvidia, man.

50:51

Man does Nvidia ever have great engineers?

50:54

Like, these are people that are just so smart

50:56

that you sit down and talk to them for, like, fifty

50:58

Like, Holy shit. I

51:00

could have gone to school for a year and I

51:02

wouldn't have learned half as much as I did

51:04

just now. Right? And so when

51:07

I say these companies are just like full

51:09

of liars and and and deceivers.

51:11

It's true. But these companies are

51:13

also full of honest, amazing,

51:16

passionate people who would do it for

51:19

zero dollars. So what they're making

51:21

money? That's great. They should. But they would

51:23

have done it anyway, which is amazing. You gotta

51:25

love that passion. Right? You

51:29

know what? Let's have a spicy win show.

51:32

It's not one of those companies, but the

51:35

closest that I would say that

51:37

I've been to being lied

51:40

to outright by a company

51:44

I would say this is fair to say because it

51:46

was directly from the CEO and

51:49

it was a direct deception

51:52

something that they would have had intimate knowledge

51:54

of. This was around a key product

51:57

launch. It wasn't from, you know, a

51:59

low level sales rep or marketing rep

52:01

or even a high level sales rep or marketing

52:03

rep. This was directly from the CEO, and

52:05

I was told from a razor, okay,

52:09

that their gaming switches back

52:11

when they first released razor switches

52:14

were not re bodged

52:17

Kaewa cherry knock off switches.

52:19

I was told that they were razor

52:21

switches inside

52:23

and out engineered by razor.

52:26

And that was at

52:28

best, at

52:31

best, a misrepresentation, at

52:34

the very best.

52:38

Because they

52:41

were kaiwa, cherry clones. Moving

52:45

the actuation point point

52:48

two of a millimeter is not engineering

52:50

a switch. K? The

52:52

Romer g is engineering

52:55

a fucking switch. And you can say what

52:57

you want about the Romer g switch. K?

53:00

But that switch was engineered by

53:03

Almirall with input from

53:05

Logitech. The razor

53:07

gaming switch was not engineered

53:10

by razor. It involved

53:12

engineering. You'd be amazed

53:14

how hard it is to build a screwdriver. And if

53:16

it's hard to build a screwdriver, I promise

53:18

you. It's hard to build a keyboard switch.

53:21

It's a complex mechanism It's

53:23

small. The cost needs to

53:25

needs to be low. It must be low.

53:28

It can't be dollar or a switch. Like, you

53:30

you you can't I mean, you can sell three hundred dollar

53:32

keyboards. But most people will not buy

53:34

a three hundred dollar keyboard. There's a limit.

53:36

Okay? And it's gotta be reliable

53:38

within that limit. The millions of times,

53:40

you have to be able to press it. I get it. There was engineering

53:43

involved, but you did not

53:45

engineer a switch. A

53:47

razor gaming switch at least back

53:49

then. Right? Okay. So this is like seven

53:52

eight years ago. Right? At least back then,

53:54

it was a cherry clone. That's

53:57

it. I love that this is the yeah.

53:59

This is great. D BOSS twenty two eighty nine float

54:01

plane says, linus is gonna wants to be

54:03

spicy today and Luke doesn't have any power to stop

54:05

him this time. Yeah.

54:09

He yeah. He could. Okay. He could pull them, mate.

54:11

Let me get together fuck out of here. So

54:15

there, I think that's the I think

54:17

that's the closest I've ever been to

54:19

just like or I think that's the

54:21

most egregiously. I have ever been

54:24

misled by a company. And

54:27

to be clear, I'm not counting I'm

54:29

not counting anything that was unintentional. You

54:32

know, like, even if you if you

54:34

go back and look like, the principal technology

54:36

scandal at Intel, I had a theory

54:38

back back during that time. That

54:40

no one would ever go on the record and talk to

54:42

me about. But I'll

54:44

say that my theory is basically there

54:47

there were ignorant executives and

54:49

their egos involved. There

54:51

was skilled people who

54:54

didn't have the time or chance to

54:56

review things. Involved, basically,

55:00

bottom line, don't attribute to malice, what

55:02

you can attribute to incompetence or whatever

55:04

whatever the quote was. I suspect that

55:07

that was a clown show comedy of errors,

55:09

not AAA willful attempt

55:12

to deceive the enthusiasts community. We're the only

55:14

people watching those stupid presentations anyway,

55:16

and who we're obviously gonna catch that.

55:21

You know, that's that

55:25

I don't I don't classify the

55:27

same way. I just I just don't Whereas

55:30

when you tell me, yeah, we built this thing from

55:32

scratch and you, like, actually didn't. That's

55:35

that's different. Maybe

55:40

it was another one. K.

55:43

Yeah. Sorry about this. Lay there. I've got one here

55:45

from Well,

55:48

we'll do this one from oh,

55:51

jeez. I don't know. How about from

55:53

Reed? No. I wanna save LTX

55:55

for later. Cody. Love the

55:57

products, guys. I was wondering if you have any IPP

56:00

IP V4 address space

56:02

and use BGP for anything. And if

56:04

you guys would ever consider making a video about

56:06

how all that works, keep up the good work. Love

56:08

you guys. And that's a that's a no.

56:12

I mean, yeah,

56:14

we we definitely have a small block of

56:16

IPV4 addresses, but

56:18

like we're not we're we're not like

56:21

hoarding them or anything. We,

56:23

you know yeah. We

56:25

just we we just have them They're

56:27

useful. Oh, we have a

56:29

a fair number? Oh, okay. Cool.

56:32

Make sure they seldom. Alright.

56:34

Cool. Sure. Luke wants to hold

56:37

on to them. One more? Yeah.

56:39

Sure. Give me one more. I got one here from

56:41

Eric. Jay and Bob, I've been feeling

56:43

a ton of burnout at work lately, and

56:45

I'm considering changing career paths. My question

56:48

is, do you have any advice regarding

56:50

when to go to the higher ups and complain about

56:52

issues and when to know they aren't listening

56:54

and you just must move on. Oh,

56:56

man, that's a good question. Well,

56:59

one thing that I will say as

57:02

an employer is I

57:05

really man. And this is gonna

57:07

This kind of ties back into a conversation we

57:09

were having recently about how I

57:11

really respect people who who wanna

57:14

better themselves, who want feedback. And

57:16

I find the legal framework around employment

57:18

here in BC very frustrating because it

57:20

prevents me without opening myself up to

57:22

liability. From providing

57:24

feedback to people who are being

57:27

let go. You know, hey, here's how you could probably

57:29

make it go better next time. I I just can't do

57:31

it. And

57:33

so, you know, as

57:36

much as it's, like, sucks that

57:39

it's, like, a double standard, I guess, is

57:42

what I would say as an employer is

57:44

please talk to me. Right?

57:47

Give me a chance. If there's something that's

57:49

making you unhappy, The absolute

57:51

last thing in the world that

57:54

I want is for you to just

57:56

quietly sit there

57:58

and faster on your unhappiness and

58:01

be miserable and resentful when,

58:04

like, Honestly, maybe it's

58:06

something that we could have just fixed.

58:08

And maybe it might maybe it wouldn't happen

58:10

overnight. Like, for example, we

58:13

didn't have an employee retirement savings

58:16

plan until very recently. That's

58:18

something that we added. I think we've got pretty

58:20

kick ass plan now. It's like

58:23

very competitive, but

58:26

we didn't have one before. Why?

58:28

Well, because there's a lot of administrative overhead,

58:31

it's a significant cost. And

58:33

I mean, well, yeah, that's why. Basically, there's

58:36

and as we've grown and as we've become

58:39

more profitable and as we've added more

58:41

people and as we're looking for ways to

58:43

continue to grow and become a

58:46

better place to work, like my whole thing. Right? Has

58:48

been since day one. And I've always I've always done the

58:50

voice, so I'll do the voice again. I want to be a real company.

58:52

Right? Is how do we

58:55

how do we keep improving? What

58:57

if what if you were upset

58:59

and resentful and the thing that

59:01

you were so upset about was

59:04

something that, like, We

59:06

were two months from announcing and you

59:08

up and quit and that would have been

59:10

it and you would have been happy. Or

59:12

what if it's something that, you know, I had been

59:14

sitting there going like, man.

59:17

I really wanna do this, but like, I don't even

59:19

know how much appetite there is for it, but all

59:22

of a sudden if I if I just start talking about

59:24

it, then people might get the wrong idea.

59:26

Maybe only, you know, maybe maybe

59:29

ninety percent of people would just rather reinvest

59:31

that into hiring more people so that they're not working

59:33

as hard. Like, these are conversations that especially

59:35

in the early days we had a lot. Like, I'd

59:37

sit down with, you know, Luke

59:40

and Brandon and Taren and OG's

59:42

like that and I'd say, hey, look. Coming

59:44

into this year, I

59:47

could pay you more. However,

59:51

You'd have to keep working at this pace. Or

59:55

I could hire more people. I'm

59:58

kinda leaning towards door number two

1:00:00

here. What do you guys think? And,

1:00:02

you know, I I think got it right for

1:00:05

the most part. And, you

1:00:07

know, obviously, that doesn't mean that we were just

1:00:09

freezing pay at at

1:00:11

any stage and all of that. Like, we were

1:00:13

we were we were constantly trying to

1:00:15

to to do better as far as that one as well. It's

1:00:17

a balancing act. Right? But we were

1:00:19

also trying to so we're trying to make the place

1:00:21

a better place to work while also adding

1:00:23

more people, building more infrastructure. The

1:00:25

point is that I wanna know. I

1:00:27

need to know. Because if I don't

1:00:29

know what people want, I'm just guessing.

1:00:33

What's up? Oh,

1:00:42

oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You

1:00:44

know, I think Luke has some strong feelings

1:00:46

about this. If you really

1:00:48

need and want to fix, don't

1:00:51

just bring the problem. Find

1:00:53

a reasonable solution and suggest it.

1:00:57

Maybe even make them think it was their

1:00:59

idea. By

1:01:02

bringing them to that conclusion, I'm sure he's done

1:01:04

it to me. Yeah.

1:01:08

I mean, it's it's communication

1:01:11

101. Whether you're whether

1:01:13

you're in the supervisory or

1:01:15

the reporting to how

1:01:18

do I describe these

1:01:20

rules? Whether whether you're higher on the

1:01:22

on the pyramid chart, the

1:01:24

the company What what what what

1:01:26

is it called? Pyramid. Pyramid. Is that what

1:01:28

it's called? What's the company org chart? Whether

1:01:31

you're higher on the org chart or lower on the org

1:01:33

chart, it is such an important

1:01:35

communication skill to

1:01:37

bring people ideas in a way that is non

1:01:39

confrontational. If I can bring

1:01:41

you an idea and make

1:01:44

you feel like you can relate

1:01:46

with my struggle and that

1:01:48

my solution sounds super reasonable

1:01:51

to you, then the chances of implementing

1:01:53

it are much much higher. With

1:01:55

all of that said, the second part of your

1:01:57

question is, hey, when do I go

1:02:00

this is a lost cause and just

1:02:02

bail. There's a solid chance

1:02:05

that that's gonna be it. One of

1:02:07

one of our one of our rock ours. Okay?

1:02:09

Kyle from Creative Warehouse Engineering. Love

1:02:12

Kyle. He's great. You

1:02:14

know, a big problem for him at

1:02:17

a previous position. I'm not gonna

1:02:19

say it was the one right before this. I'm not gonna say

1:02:21

if it was two before this. We're not

1:02:23

gonna name any names here. But at

1:02:25

a previous position, he had

1:02:27

expressed some concern about

1:02:32

basically some costs

1:02:34

that were associated with his remaining

1:02:37

employed there. It hit him remaining employed

1:02:39

there. Okay? The situation

1:02:41

was going to become untenable for

1:02:43

him. He wasn't even asking

1:02:45

for a raise. He wasn't just

1:02:47

like, give me more money. He

1:02:50

just he just had there were some

1:02:52

costs that were associated with him

1:02:54

working there, that he needed

1:02:56

some solution to. And

1:02:58

in effect, they basically said, deal

1:03:00

with it. And he did. And

1:03:03

he came here. Right?

1:03:05

Well, eventually. So

1:03:09

That could happen. Some people just

1:03:11

They don't care about you. They

1:03:14

they see you as, III

1:03:16

hate the word. I hate the term HR.

1:03:19

They see you as human resources. Effectively,

1:03:23

warm bodies that can be mined for

1:03:26

productivity. And

1:03:28

and that's just the way that's just the way it's gonna be.

1:03:30

And you just have to, you know, karma is a bitch. Right?

1:03:32

Like, you just have to hope that at some point, that's

1:03:35

gonna bite them in the ass. No one's gonna wanna work

1:03:37

for them. And honestly, I think we're seeing a lot

1:03:39

of that today. Labor shortage? There's

1:03:41

no fucking labor shortage. How

1:03:43

many resumes you get? Thousand resumes or

1:03:45

whatever for some positions? Yeah. lot a

1:03:47

lot. No labor shortage.

1:03:50

You gotta pay and benefit shortage. That's

1:03:53

your problem. Figure it out.

1:03:55

And like the thing that drives me most crazy

1:03:57

is like McDonald's food doesn't fucking

1:03:59

cost more in places where they pay living wage?

1:04:02

It's still cheap. Why? Because

1:04:04

it is. You're just taking

1:04:07

more of it. So just

1:04:09

pay more of it. Anyhow.

1:04:15

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I'm kind of feeling the Windows eight

1:05:29

point one end of support. What do you think?

1:05:32

Yeah. Let's do it. Windows eight point

1:05:34

one reached end of support on Tuesday,

1:05:36

January tenth. This sucks. I

1:05:38

actually still have an active Windows eight

1:05:41

point one. Right now. It's

1:05:43

not like normal Windows eight point

1:05:45

one. It's Windows nine. That

1:05:47

that sort of stripped down eight point one

1:05:49

embedded or whatever it was called

1:05:53

that we made a video about. Man, I looked

1:05:55

at that thing. I was, man, it's

1:05:57

fucking snappy. It was amazing.

1:06:00

And so I immediately set it up

1:06:02

on a VM that to this day I still

1:06:04

use. So I'm gonna have

1:06:07

man, I'm gonna have to like update

1:06:09

that thing. That sucks.

1:06:11

Because like that's my sketchy VM that I've

1:06:13

just used for like, oh, this is like a weird

1:06:15

program. Okay. Let's let's

1:06:19

disconnect it from rest of the network and

1:06:21

see what it does. Like

1:06:24

and it's so because it's so bare bones, it's

1:06:26

really easy to tell if anything is there that's not

1:06:29

supposed to be there and stuff like, oh man, I just

1:06:31

I love that VM. It's

1:06:33

it's been through a lot with me anyway.

1:06:36

Technical support, software updates,

1:06:38

and security fixes will no longer be

1:06:40

provided. You're not gonna say anything. And

1:06:42

Microsoft is recommending that customers move

1:06:44

to a more current version of Windows. They

1:06:47

are not offering a free upgrade path

1:06:49

from Windows eight point one to Windows ten or eleven

1:06:52

And unlike what happened with Windows seven, Microsoft

1:06:54

will not be offering an extended security

1:06:56

update program for Windows eight point one, probably

1:06:58

because nobody would even want it. The

1:07:01

ESU program for number of older products actually

1:07:03

also came to an end on Tuesday, including Windows

1:07:05

seven professional and enterprise versions and Windows

1:07:08

server two thousand 8R2. Fun

1:07:11

fact. I was actually using Windows Vista

1:07:13

earlier this week. And

1:07:15

Windows eight point one is not gonna be

1:07:18

as bad as that. But I can tell

1:07:20

you using an outdated version of Windows,

1:07:23

it gets pretty rough after a while.

1:07:25

So it was good up until I

1:07:27

think it was about two years ago. We got

1:07:29

our hands on the Dell XPS M twenty

1:07:32

ten. I think it's called, it's

1:07:34

a wild laptop. I can't

1:07:36

imagine they made more than like hundreds

1:07:39

of these if even that. Like,

1:07:41

I can't even imagine who would buy this thing,

1:07:43

but we got our hands on it and that thing

1:07:45

shipped with Windows Vista. And

1:07:48

apparently, it was pretty good up until just a couple

1:07:50

of years ago when support

1:07:53

for when Chromium stopped

1:07:55

supporting Vista. So effectively, you

1:07:58

couldn't do anything in browser. I

1:08:00

think valve pulled support for Vista

1:08:02

and Steam around that time as

1:08:04

well. Don't quote me on that. III could have the timing

1:08:06

a a little bit off. But, man,

1:08:09

you try to do anything on

1:08:11

Vista today. And it's bad.

1:08:14

Even ignoring the security issues, let

1:08:16

me tell you. I

1:08:18

tried I tried to load up I tried

1:08:20

to load up rotten tomatoes dot com.

1:08:22

K? So that I could check reviews for

1:08:24

for a blue ray to determine if I was willing

1:08:27

to risk losing it in the

1:08:29

in the pop up motorized

1:08:32

optical drive on the top of this laptop, guys,

1:08:34

do not miss that video. I

1:08:36

was like, do I care about this blu ray?

1:08:39

And then I could manually

1:08:42

calculate the percentage of thumbs up and thumbs

1:08:44

down reviews because I could

1:08:46

I could see how many there were but the

1:08:48

actual images weren't weren't loading.

1:08:52

It was pretty rough. Our

1:08:55

discussion question here is

1:08:57

where would you rank Windows eight slash

1:08:59

eight point one on a best to worst

1:09:01

list of Windows versions? This is

1:09:03

one of those things that's kinda like ninety

1:09:06

eight, ninety 8SE and

1:09:08

Emmy where the lines

1:09:11

are a little blurry. You can't

1:09:13

ask me where would you rank Windows eight slash

1:09:16

eight point one? Because Windows eight and

1:09:18

eight point one, Let's

1:09:20

just say Microsoft learned a lot

1:09:23

from Windows eight. And when Windows

1:09:25

eight point one was far less of

1:09:27

a piece of shit. I

1:09:30

would rank Windows eight. Oh, man.

1:09:32

See, I liked Vista. So

1:09:34

let's go Matt, you know what? That'd be kind of

1:09:36

a fun video. Like, ranking

1:09:39

ranking windows. And, like, just

1:09:41

like Windows tier list. Yeah.

1:09:44

Oh, that could be a fun float plane exclusive. Doing

1:09:47

like a hey hey, Dan. Can

1:09:49

you can you ping the social team and

1:09:51

actually CC James and let them fight it out

1:09:53

over whether that's an video or whether it's

1:09:55

a float plane exclusive just like kind of casual

1:09:57

social

1:09:58

video. But we should do we should do like

1:10:00

a Windows tier list. Nice

1:10:02

to Windows tier list. I wasn't listening at all.

1:10:04

Yeah. Windows tier list. So we take all the

1:10:06

additions of Windows, and we have people we

1:10:08

have people rank them best to worst. Even

1:10:12

good pre n t windows,

1:10:15

like DOS based windows ninety

1:10:17

eight SE, was not very good.

1:10:20

It crashed a lot. It had a lot of compatibility

1:10:22

issues in spite of the fact that it was running on top

1:10:24

of DOS. DOS programs just would

1:10:26

not work a lot of the time. I

1:10:29

think it's hard to call Windows eight legitimately

1:10:32

worse than anything before

1:10:34

the NT colonel, but

1:10:36

I would say that Windows eight was

1:10:39

probably the worst of the post

1:10:41

NT colonel operating systems for me.

1:10:45

Like, eleven has its issues,

1:10:47

but they're not stability issues. They're

1:10:50

not just like utterly making it

1:10:52

utterly unusable issues

1:10:54

with the keyboard and mouse. Right? You

1:10:57

know, and and Windows

1:10:59

eight, as I talked about before, with

1:11:01

the the Windows nine experience, could

1:11:06

get wildly better. Like,

1:11:08

I would I mean, I've told you

1:11:10

guys, eight point if if I if

1:11:12

I could have had the latest versions of

1:11:15

DirectX supported. There

1:11:17

is no reason why I couldn't

1:11:19

have just continued running eight point one

1:11:21

embedded with modifications. We've kept running

1:11:23

Windows nine until today. Mhmm. There is

1:11:25

no reason for me to not do that. It is so

1:11:28

usable. Start menu search works fine.

1:11:30

It's much easier to get at your network configuration

1:11:33

panel. Oh, you don't have that

1:11:35

bullshit, terrible control panel

1:11:38

that's just like sits on top of

1:11:40

the regular control panel and makes everything

1:11:42

more difficult. Actually, I think you

1:11:44

did have a little bit of that. But it wasn't as bad.

1:11:47

The whole regular control panel is still

1:11:49

there, damn it. Yeah.

1:11:51

No. I I liked eight point one with

1:11:53

the right tweaks. But then I liked

1:11:55

Vista. So what the fuck do I know?

1:11:58

I'm fucking idiots. I

1:12:02

was running Vista on modern hardware. Mhmm.

1:12:05

I didn't try to plug in my old

1:12:07

ninety eight sierra printer. That's

1:12:09

a big difference. Right? Windows

1:12:13

Vista worked great on a

1:12:15

brand new computer playing current gen

1:12:17

games. Because it was what everyone

1:12:19

was validating with. Yeah.

1:12:22

Okay. Luke,

1:12:24

on the other hand, worked at Geek Squad in

1:12:26

the Windows Vista days, and it

1:12:29

was a bloodbath of low spec laptops.

1:12:32

Yeah. That's I think that's very fair

1:12:34

to say. If you had the specs

1:12:36

for it, it rang great. If you were but

1:12:39

if you were running like thirty two bit VISTA

1:12:41

on some piece of crap, laptop,

1:12:44

it was it was a pretty bad

1:12:46

time. Pretty bad time.

1:12:54

Alright. Why don't we do let's do two more

1:12:56

merch messages and then we'll move into another topic.

1:12:58

Hit me Dan. Okay. I gotta find them. Okay.

1:13:02

But that's your whole job over there. He's finding merch

1:13:04

messages. Yeah. But I mean, he also monitors

1:13:07

the audio. A scroll down to me. He helps you

1:13:09

guys listen to the echo. Go. Go.

1:13:12

Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Alright.

1:13:15

Let's see. I

1:13:19

think we got that one done too. You

1:13:22

got this. Do you need to do a quick topic while

1:13:24

you look through it? I got Matthijs. Loving

1:13:27

the super edgy episode, laughing at

1:13:29

the whole show. Question for linus, do you take any

1:13:31

actions to protect the long term health of

1:13:33

your voice with all the hosting of episodes

1:13:35

and live shows. Excited for LTX and

1:13:38

LDD store not com. No.

1:13:41

I can't say that I do, but one of

1:13:43

the things that I do do --

1:13:48

Nice. -- one of the things I do

1:13:50

is I just use

1:13:52

my natural talking voice. I'm

1:13:55

not I'm not putting on a voice for you guys.

1:13:57

I I'm louder and that's

1:13:59

something I've tried to work on. But

1:14:02

every time yeah. Every time

1:14:04

I'm quieter. Okay.

1:14:07

Why don't I try? I will simply

1:14:09

speak, I say I can't do it. I immediately

1:14:12

start ramping up. Part

1:14:14

of it is that when I'm on camera,

1:14:17

I'm usually talking about something that I can get

1:14:19

kind of fired up about. Otherwise,

1:14:21

why are we making a video about it? Like, I was,

1:14:23

oh, man. I was in script review

1:14:25

with Oh,

1:14:28

crap. What's that? Oh, yeah. Right.

1:14:31

I was in script review with Tanner today. And,

1:14:34

is anyone outside of my office

1:14:37

probably thought I was laying into

1:14:39

him? Because I was sitting there. I was

1:14:41

sitting and going, hell the fuck

1:14:43

Is this even still a problem in twenty

1:14:45

twenty three? How's this

1:14:47

even fucking possible? Right.

1:14:50

You know, but I was

1:14:53

I was actually, you know,

1:14:55

Tanner's more of a subdued kind

1:14:57

of guy. He wouldn't say it like that. But

1:14:59

it's not like he didn't agree. What I was talking

1:15:01

about was the challenge of

1:15:04

sharing files from one device

1:15:06

to another. You know, Apple's kind of got it

1:15:08

solved, but it doesn't count as solving it when you

1:15:10

only solve it for people that are

1:15:12

made of money and can afford an entire

1:15:14

ecosystem of your products. That's fuck you.

1:15:16

Right? Like, that's not a solution. That's

1:15:18

not a real solution. What

1:15:21

I want is a real solution. If I

1:15:23

need to beam you a file from my phone

1:15:25

to your laptop, That shit

1:15:27

should be simple. It

1:15:29

is twenty fucking three.

1:15:33

Right? So anyway, The point is that even

1:15:35

when I'm not on camera, I can I can

1:15:37

get kind of I can get kind

1:15:39

of passionate about things, but That's

1:15:42

just my that's just like my voice.

1:15:44

And so when I'm on camera, that happens a lot

1:15:47

and I mean, drink

1:15:49

water. You

1:15:51

know? LTT store dot com,

1:15:54

bitches. I

1:15:56

should have waited to eat. Right? Almost

1:16:00

got him earlier with the slap. Do

1:16:06

do you want another one? Or if we Yeah. Give me

1:16:08

one more. Okay.

1:16:11

This is from Daniel, not me.

1:16:14

Getting some birthday merch Line

1:16:16

us, what is a product that you will probably

1:16:19

never be able to make, but would like to

1:16:21

make? Oh, man. I mean, there's there's

1:16:23

a lot of things I'd I'd love to be able to

1:16:25

make Oh.

1:16:30

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sox. I

1:16:32

mean, we'll get it. We're

1:16:34

gonna we're gonna nail the socks. Don't you

1:16:36

worry? Sandals.

1:16:39

Sandals may never happen. Just the

1:16:41

the mold costs for all the different sizes that

1:16:43

you gotta do. I'd love to do better sandal.

1:16:45

Like, man, the See?

1:16:48

Get all passionate again. Okay? The

1:16:50

failure point on every pair of sandals

1:16:52

I've ever owned is the same. So

1:16:54

why don't you just reinforce it? You

1:16:56

fucks. That's your

1:16:59

whole job is to make sandals. So

1:17:01

what? You don't know how they come apart? Like,

1:17:04

how is that even possible? No one man.

1:17:08

Oh, man. Okay. Oh,

1:17:10

man. Okay.

1:17:13

I was trying I'm trying to navigate to

1:17:16

like a local rec center on my

1:17:18

way home. Okay? And I'm using

1:17:20

my voice because I'm a responsible person

1:17:22

I'm operating a motor vehicle. So

1:17:24

I press my button on my steering wheel. Hold my button

1:17:26

on my steering wheel. I go, okay, navigate

1:17:29

to whatever the name of it is. Now

1:17:31

I happen to have an entry in my address

1:17:33

book. That is some

1:17:35

other place of business that starts

1:17:37

with that same region. Okay?

1:17:40

So I'm not gonna say exactly what it is. I don't

1:17:42

need to disclose any of this. But, you know,

1:17:44

let's say say for example, I was trying

1:17:46

to go to Alder

1:17:49

Grove Recreation Center, and

1:17:51

I also happened to have an entry for

1:17:54

Alder Grove Dental Clinic.

1:17:57

Three fucking times in

1:17:59

a row. Mhmm. It utterly ignored

1:18:02

recreation center and

1:18:05

navigated me to

1:18:07

the dental clinic. Three

1:18:09

times three times in a

1:18:11

row. With all the

1:18:13

AI shit that Google

1:18:15

does. In twenty twenty

1:18:18

three, how is it fucking

1:18:20

possible that when I say

1:18:22

call Yvonne Ho.

1:18:26

It says, I'm sorry, I don't

1:18:28

have number for Yvonne Hoam. Who?

1:18:33

Who? How

1:18:38

is it possible that when I

1:18:40

say call Hoffman Wong,

1:18:43

it says, I'm sorry, I

1:18:45

don't have an entry for Hoffman. Sometimes

1:18:49

it spells with two fucking ends.

1:18:53

You know, I fixed it. I took the second

1:18:55

end off the end of his name. How's

1:18:57

that even possible? If

1:19:00

I say, call Jake Ivy. Okay?

1:19:04

You check. How many fucking

1:19:06

jakes are in my address book? Jake

1:19:10

Tivity, close enough. If

1:19:13

I say call Jake Tivy, it works. K?

1:19:15

It's the same with James. Right?

1:19:17

Call James Stripe. Calling James

1:19:19

Street. No. No. No. No. No. I said it this

1:19:21

way, you repeat after me. How

1:19:23

is it even possible? Okay?

1:19:26

Because I know they have it. I know

1:19:28

they have the technology to take

1:19:30

whatever the phonetic version

1:19:33

of that would be, cash

1:19:35

it and then give you and

1:19:37

then return a probability match.

1:19:40

Probability match. Okay?

1:19:42

Not a perfect match. Fine. Give me the

1:19:44

eighty five percent one that's in my local

1:19:46

storage. Sorry.

1:19:54

What were you talking about? I

1:19:57

don't remember don't remember what the question was.

1:19:59

What what kind of product do you want

1:20:01

to make? Yeah. I don't know. How about

1:20:04

How about a voice assistant that isn't complete

1:20:06

dog shit? How about one of those? Could

1:20:09

use one of those? Alright.

1:20:15

Let's see another topic. Oh. Intel

1:20:18

releases the first six gigahertz CPU.

1:20:21

Good for them. This

1:20:25

is funny. Mercedes is gonna

1:20:27

be offering level free self driving in America.

1:20:30

No. No. I'm kidding. I'm I'm kidding. Poor Anthony

1:20:32

put together this topic for us. We're down at we're gonna

1:20:34

read it. After CEO, Pat

1:20:36

Gelsinger teased it during the innovation twenty twenty

1:20:38

two keynote, Intel on Thursday formally released the

1:20:40

I nine thirteen nine hundred k s. It

1:20:42

has been apparently through a unique selection

1:20:45

process, so bidding.

1:20:48

It has the same core in cash layout, but

1:20:50

with higher base and boost clocks. It is apparently

1:20:53

a world's first six

1:20:55

gigahertz CPU. This is versus five

1:20:57

point eight for the non s

1:20:59

version of it. It's

1:21:02

E Corus boost the same though. It's only

1:21:04

the p course that will boost higher, which is fine because

1:21:06

from a gaming standpoint, that's all you really

1:21:08

need. Hardware and box got their

1:21:10

hands on the new chip and released a review at

1:21:13

launch unsurprisingly, they're fast.

1:21:16

Yep. They're fast. They're at the top of

1:21:18

the graph. There's a slight

1:21:20

problem, though, aside from the whopping

1:21:22

two hundred and eighty watts of power

1:21:25

that it drew at its five point

1:21:27

five gigahertz all core frequency. Wow.

1:21:30

K? It's

1:21:33

really expensive. It's a hundred dollars

1:21:35

more than the CPU it's based on. That's seventeen

1:21:37

percent more for about three percent

1:21:39

better performance and this

1:21:41

does not factor in AMD whose

1:21:44

four hundred dollars seven thousand seven hundred x isn't

1:21:46

that far off in gaming. To

1:21:49

get the best gains out of the thirteen hundred k

1:21:51

s, it goes without saying that you will need to also

1:21:53

spend a bunch of you'll need

1:21:55

fast DDR five seventy two hundred memory

1:21:57

that gained an additional three percent FPS

1:22:00

though that might apply to the thirteen hundred

1:22:02

k as well. So the question becomes If

1:22:04

I really need three percent more performance, are

1:22:08

there other ways to do it, maybe? And then

1:22:10

do I need another three percent? Let's walk you, go.

1:22:14

Let's get to chaos. Yeah.

1:22:20

I mean, Luke's got a good point. You

1:22:23

know, he thought it would actually be more than

1:22:25

a hundred dollars more. Very few of

1:22:27

these things will probably exist and going

1:22:29

back to, you know, like, third party

1:22:31

bidding services, like Silicon Lottery back when

1:22:33

they existed, these highly bidding

1:22:35

ships would often cost a lot

1:22:37

more. So From

1:22:39

that point of view, you're probably right. It's

1:22:41

downright reasonable because you have

1:22:43

to understand what you're buying. You

1:22:45

are buying essentially handpicked silicon.

1:22:49

Maybe not by an actual hand, but certainly

1:22:51

a robot hand. Certain

1:22:55

things that you'd really prefer human hand

1:22:57

do. But I think robot hand is good enough for this. You know

1:22:59

what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Silent

1:23:01

Luke. Yeah.

1:23:04

Should've waited for him to drink. I

1:23:07

wanna get that computer wet. And

1:23:09

computers love me. I turn them on. I'm

1:23:14

sorry. I really shouldn't be making him laugh. For those

1:23:16

of you who are wondering what the fuck is going on

1:23:18

with the WAN show, we

1:23:20

are we are doing a little day in silent

1:23:23

Bob cause play because Luke

1:23:25

had some fairly significant oral

1:23:27

surgery earlier this week. He

1:23:31

cannot really speak comfortably,

1:23:34

but we've got a bit of a street going. We

1:23:36

gotta figure out exactly which was the

1:23:38

first show that we

1:23:41

that we did or

1:23:43

not the first show we did, but we've gotta figure out

1:23:45

how far back we have to go before it

1:23:47

was not me and

1:23:49

Luke on the land show. I I'm pretty

1:23:51

sure we're over two years at this point where neither

1:23:53

of us is mister land show, regardless

1:23:56

of work trips, family

1:23:58

vacations, statutory

1:24:00

holidays, surgery, And

1:24:05

in the interest of keeping the streak alive,

1:24:08

Luke actually scheduled his procedure

1:24:11

as far away as possible from

1:24:13

WAN Show and

1:24:15

had intended to be on the show today

1:24:17

talking, but has had some complications

1:24:20

today that prevented him from fully

1:24:22

participating So I don't remember

1:24:24

whose idea it was, but we came up with the

1:24:26

idea of, okay, well, if you're

1:24:28

gonna what's this mean? Okay. Sometimes

1:24:31

having stupid fucking ideas. So

1:24:33

we came up with the idea of cosplaying

1:24:36

as j and silent Bob. So there would be a

1:24:38

reason for him to be

1:24:40

silent. And then this topic with

1:24:42

YouTube demonetizing channels for swearing

1:24:44

excessively, kind of was

1:24:47

perfect because I needed an excuse

1:24:49

to talk about fucking pussy and Right.

1:24:51

Like Fuck. If I'm gonna

1:24:54

if I'm gonna be the character what? I'm gonna I'm gonna

1:24:56

like, bleep things. Can't

1:24:59

do that shit. Anyway,

1:25:03

Intel has dreamed of speeds of six gigahertz

1:25:05

for twenty years, with their last serious

1:25:07

attempt being the Pentium four net burst

1:25:10

architecture derived Tejas. Tajas.

1:25:12

I forget how to pronounce Tajas. But

1:25:15

the Pentium Pentium five.

1:25:17

These chips were intended to push past gigahertz

1:25:19

to an ultimate goal of ten gigahertz plus,

1:25:22

but they just couldn't do it. And Tejas

1:25:24

was canned by two thousand four in favor

1:25:26

of the lower clocked Pentium M based

1:25:29

core CPUs. Gigahertz doesn't

1:25:31

matter, came true. As

1:25:34

we reach the limits of simply adding more

1:25:36

cores, and with both teams pushing clocks

1:25:38

again instead, might gigahertz matter once

1:25:40

more. The answer is they

1:25:42

always will, they always have, and they always

1:25:45

will. All else

1:25:47

being equal. More gigahertz is

1:25:49

more faster. But the thing

1:25:51

is that a lot of efficiencies were

1:25:53

gained by building a more a

1:25:57

more power efficient architecture, especially

1:25:59

as we moved into the multi core era,

1:26:02

such that gigahertz

1:26:04

was not the only answer to

1:26:06

the problem. So I

1:26:08

think there's always gonna be a little bit of of

1:26:11

ebb and flow. Are we chasing gigahertz? Or are

1:26:13

we chasing architectural efficiencies? Realistically,

1:26:17

for a long time, it's just kind been a little

1:26:19

bit of both. Discussion

1:26:22

question is what direction do you see the industry

1:26:24

going and following this milestone? More clocks be

1:26:26

more cash, more cores, more power, something else.

1:26:29

I don't think we can really push power much higher,

1:26:31

at least not for monolithic dies. We

1:26:33

saw with AMD's release of the 9X7

1:26:36

thousand series CPUs that at

1:26:39

even pretty high power draw, a chiplet

1:26:42

design, spreading out that

1:26:45

that power dissipation helps a lot

1:26:47

with thermal management. Like, yeah, it's still a ton

1:26:49

of heat. You still need a big fat heat sink,

1:26:51

but you're not gonna have these hotspots that are

1:26:53

absolutely gonna kill any attempt to

1:26:55

cool these things. Like, that's the thing, right,

1:26:57

is you could have a one hundred watt

1:26:59

chip. Right? That is impossible

1:27:02

to cool because the dye is

1:27:04

so small that the physics

1:27:06

of moving the heat away from it fast enough are

1:27:08

impossible. Right? Or

1:27:10

you could have a four hundred watt chip in

1:27:13

a server that's this fucking big

1:27:15

has chiplets all over the damn thing And

1:27:17

yeah, you need a big heatsink on that bitch, but

1:27:19

like, but

1:27:24

it's not a problem to get the heat

1:27:27

out of the chip into that heatsink.

1:27:30

So I don't see pushing power much

1:27:32

higher for desktop chips where realistically

1:27:35

wafers are going up and price not down

1:27:37

and we're not going to see significantly larger

1:27:40

dies So we're we've just reached point

1:27:42

where we can't really move heat. I mean, Intel's already

1:27:44

thinning out, not just the IHS. They've

1:27:47

been thinning the die. For multiple

1:27:49

generations now to try to get heat out of it more

1:27:51

efficiently. Like like we are at the we

1:27:53

are at the razors edge of what's possible

1:27:55

now. I

1:27:58

do see them I do see them continuing

1:28:00

to try to push clock speed as much as they can, but it's

1:28:02

hard to do without more power. So man,

1:28:05

what are you what are you gonna see?

1:28:07

More cash is gonna be tough. Man,

1:28:10

I'm sound I'm sounding like

1:28:12

a bad news bearer here. More

1:28:14

cash is gonna be tough. We've seen news coming out

1:28:16

of TSMC that the latest node

1:28:18

trinkets are not

1:28:21

really making cash any smaller. Which

1:28:23

is pretty

1:28:26

tough for AMD's strategy of throwing more

1:28:29

cash at their chips to dramatically boost gaming

1:28:31

performance. I think the x three d's of this

1:28:33

generation are gonna be pretty freaking expensive.

1:28:35

AMD's gonna be able to point at their non x's

1:28:37

and say, hey, we're still a great value. Right?

1:28:40

AM five is great platform, great value,

1:28:42

but you wanna go fucking fast. You're gonna have to

1:28:45

pay some fucking money. You know what I'm saying? I

1:28:50

mean, I think I think Luke

1:28:53

Luke's right, chiplets are a hundred percent the future.

1:28:55

But, I mean, what? You want do you

1:28:58

really want more course? I mean,

1:29:00

yeah. Yeah. Your team works in development. You're gonna

1:29:02

parallelize everything. Good fucking luck. Ultimately,

1:29:13

Single core. Yeah. Single core performance is

1:29:15

always gonna matter. Yeah.

1:29:18

It's always gonna matter. And it's

1:29:20

still it's still a bottleneck today. Like,

1:29:22

no matter what you're doing, it still matters.

1:29:27

Alright. Let's move on to our

1:29:29

Oh, this is oh, this is a big topic.

1:29:31

Praise Saint Cook, hero of the people.

1:29:34

Tim Cook voluntarily takes a forty percent

1:29:36

pay cut. On Thursday, Apple

1:29:38

announced that CEO Tim Cook would be taking

1:29:40

a forty percent pay cut going from

1:29:42

eighty four million dollars last year

1:29:45

to just forty nine million dollars

1:29:47

this year. Okay.

1:29:50

I don't really know if I like your attitude. This is

1:29:52

some pretty sad shit right here. How's

1:29:57

Tim Cook's family gonna have generational wealth

1:29:59

now? This

1:30:03

decision was made. After the company's

1:30:05

board committee. I mean, it doesn't

1:30:08

sound like an exciting committee, I guess, to get to

1:30:10

talk about how much more money Tim Cook makes than

1:30:12

them. The

1:30:15

decision was made after the company's

1:30:17

board committee on executive compensation, balanced

1:30:21

shareholder feedback, Apple's

1:30:23

exceptional performance, and

1:30:25

a recommendation for mister Cook. Okay,

1:30:27

For real though. To adjust his compensation

1:30:30

and light of feedback received, Tim's

1:30:32

annual basic salary will remain

1:30:34

three million dollars with bonus of up to six

1:30:36

million dollars. What's changing

1:30:38

is his stock award target, which will be cut

1:30:40

to forty million as opposed to the seventy five

1:30:42

million that he received last year. Last

1:30:45

year Apple apparently wanted to pay Cook a ninety

1:30:47

nine million PayFac package,

1:30:49

but shareholder advisory firm ISS

1:30:52

said it was too much. It's

1:30:57

very interesting. Like, once you get into these

1:30:59

numbers that are just so far beyond, like,

1:31:02

any reasonable amount of okay.

1:31:04

Tell me something, Luke. Okay. What what what

1:31:06

what does this work out to? Even now, forty nine million

1:31:09

dollars a year. So that works out to a seventh

1:31:11

of a million dollars a day. So

1:31:13

about about a hundred and thirty million

1:31:15

dollars a day. Alright? Alright.

1:31:17

It's a thousand thousand. Sorry. Excuse me. hundred

1:31:19

and thirty thousand dollars a day. Yeah.

1:31:23

Can we become a shareholder firm that says too

1:31:25

much? Yeah. That's advisory

1:31:27

firm. Okay. So a hundred thirty thousand dollars

1:31:30

a day, Luke. Could you spend a hundred

1:31:32

what was that workout to per per waking

1:31:34

hour? So so you're awake for what?

1:31:36

Let's say sixteen hours. Okay? So

1:31:39

you make about

1:31:42

eight thousand dollars a waking hour.

1:31:45

Oh, man. That was pretty close. No.

1:31:47

Nice. Okay. You make eight thousand dollars

1:31:49

an hour. Could you spend eighty

1:31:53

dollars in a minute? Could

1:31:58

you spend eighty dollars every minute? Like, what

1:32:00

kind of food what kind of fucking food would you

1:32:02

eat? Like, how long is it?

1:32:05

At the rate that you eat, my God,

1:32:07

you could never He

1:32:11

could eat forever on that amount of money.

1:32:13

He could I mean, this fucking guy could eat

1:32:16

forever on, like, a thousandth

1:32:18

of that. AA1 hundred thousandth

1:32:20

of that got you eat so slow. So you think

1:32:22

he wouldn't be able to get as big as he is.

1:32:29

Oh, oh, wow. Yeah.

1:32:31

You're gonna be pretty slow eating now.

1:32:34

Unless you're eating that pussy. Look,

1:32:37

I'm I'm supposed to be Jay. Right? That's

1:32:39

what he would say. Gets

1:32:42

right into it. I'm

1:32:52

actually hurting him. I

1:32:55

I'm sorry. Anywho,

1:33:00

I wanna I wanna I wanna make it clear.

1:33:03

We actually did

1:33:05

praise the late CEO

1:33:07

of Nintendo for taking a fifty

1:33:09

percent pay cut after the Lukewarm

1:33:12

launch of the 3DS and the failure of the wii

1:33:14

u. Right?

1:33:17

Like that, it it is actually a pretty cool thing.

1:33:20

For a CEO to take a pay cut when the company

1:33:22

doesn't perform well because why

1:33:25

should why should other people's jobs get cut

1:33:27

like that stupid, sad CEO

1:33:29

talking about, like, crying about how hard

1:33:32

it was to lay people off. Crocodile

1:33:36

tears. Right? Like, how how much are you gonna cry when

1:33:38

it's your family that's worried about where their next meal

1:33:40

is gonna come from. And to be clear,

1:33:42

I'm not saying that I'm some kind of

1:33:44

like, you know, softy. I would never, you

1:33:47

know, fire anyone. Like, that that happens.

1:33:49

That's business. But, you know,

1:33:53

when you're doing it because the

1:33:55

company overall didn't perform,

1:33:58

Well, shit rolls up the hill. Like,

1:34:00

the executive team has to

1:34:03

has to take accountability for that.

1:34:05

Right? The difference

1:34:07

is that Awada's basic annual

1:34:09

salary was seven hundred and seventy thousand

1:34:11

dollars, with up to two point one one million

1:34:14

of performance based bonuses. It

1:34:17

wasn't three

1:34:19

million dollars with six million dollars of bonuses

1:34:21

and another seventy five million

1:34:23

dollars of performance based bonuses. Or

1:34:26

a stock to stock stock award target. Jacob

1:34:33

Scholes says, apparently, internally at Apple,

1:34:35

everyone spent the entire day mocking him. I can't

1:34:37

validate that. You know,

1:34:39

I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise

1:34:42

me. Like Anyway,

1:34:47

so, yeah, good luck with that, Tim. Hopefully

1:34:51

your hopefully your private jet payments

1:34:53

don't fall behind. Alright.

1:34:56

What else we got? This

1:34:59

is an ultra rapid fire topic.

1:35:02

The LTT subreddit brought to

1:35:04

my attention that Anchor

1:35:06

was still using me as a spokesperson

1:35:09

on their site. Hey, thanks, subreddits.

1:35:13

You know, post on the forum next time.

1:35:15

But, no, the subreddit is cool too.

1:35:18

Anyway, it's gone. We've got

1:35:20

that I'll dealt with. So

1:35:22

here's their site. If you guys

1:35:24

weren't keeping up with the drama, we dropped Anchor

1:35:26

as a sponsor after their Yuffie

1:35:29

sub brand security cameras. Were

1:35:31

marketed on big fat lies. We

1:35:34

were we were not super happy about the way

1:35:36

that whole thing went down. Oh, that's great. Okay. So Lou

1:35:38

just gets more It

1:35:41

just gets a wider spot, I guess.

1:35:44

Alright. Cool. Good

1:35:48

stuff. Alright. We got a couple

1:35:50

more topics here. Mercedes will be offering

1:35:52

level three self driving in the US.

1:35:55

And they will be the first in

1:35:57

front of Tesla. They got

1:35:59

approval from the state of Nevada and

1:36:01

they will be the first to offer a production vehicle

1:36:04

with level three driving. The

1:36:06

jump from level two systems, which include Tesla's

1:36:08

autopilot and Cadillac's super cruise

1:36:11

systems, is a substantial leap and

1:36:13

includes apparently environmental detection

1:36:15

capabilities that allow the system to make informed

1:36:18

decisions such as accelerating to

1:36:20

pass a slow moving vehicle. Level

1:36:23

three systems, to be very clear,

1:36:25

still require a human driver to remain ready

1:36:27

to take over control and the systems quest,

1:36:29

so you can't just, you know, have

1:36:32

have someone suck in your dick while you're behind the wheel.

1:36:38

I mean, I guess you could as long as you're ready

1:36:40

to take over control at the system's request.

1:36:42

Just don't let it just make sure it's not a make sure

1:36:44

it's not a good blow job, not too distracting. So

1:36:49

that's good. And, anyway, Audi's

1:36:52

twenty nineteen a eight sedan was supposed

1:36:54

to be the first production vehicle with Level features in

1:36:56

Europe, but ultimately they decided the market and

1:36:58

infrastructure wasn't ready back in twenty twenty.

1:37:01

This is this is pretty exciting. I still man,

1:37:03

I My

1:37:06

new car has some, like, assist features, like,

1:37:09

even like lane keep assist. Yeah. Man, I

1:37:11

drive without it on. I just I like

1:37:13

to drive my car. I feel like I

1:37:15

thought I was gonna be all automation all the

1:37:17

time when it came. I don't know.

1:37:19

I don't know if I'm not into it. Maybe, like,

1:37:22

sometimes, like, if I gotta if I'm work if I have

1:37:24

to work. Or something like sit in the back

1:37:26

seat and work while the car drives itself, that'd be

1:37:28

kind of cool. But I I

1:37:31

like to drive. I

1:37:33

also have a pretty nice car. I'm

1:37:36

I'm actually really liking the new car. It's

1:37:38

III never really cared. I've

1:37:40

never been a car guy but I

1:37:43

I definitely am I definitely am liking

1:37:46

the new car. Yeah.

1:37:54

Still yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep.

1:37:57

Luke likes it too. What

1:38:00

what is it not good enough for blow jobs? Is

1:38:02

that wait. Where did you say that before I

1:38:05

oh, my car's automated driving? Well, yeah. I don't know.

1:38:07

It's not even close. Let me tell

1:38:09

you. I

1:38:14

tried to give a blowjob in that car. It's

1:38:18

like awful. The bolsters on the seat, I can't even reach

1:38:20

the passenger seat. Alright.

1:38:28

Why don't we go ahead and do some some merch

1:38:30

messages here? Don't don't say that.

1:38:33

Okay. Merch. Don't. Okay. That's fine, though.

1:38:35

In that case now, we got some jobs. We got some jobs.

1:38:37

Let's go. Let's do jobs. Oh, wow. We have different

1:38:39

pages for different companies now. Look at this.

1:38:43

Okay? So there's there's

1:38:45

jobs, jobs, jobs, float plane jobs.

1:38:48

Junior back end developer, Luke, you gotta correct this

1:38:50

if any of this is wrong. Is this all right? Full time back

1:38:52

end web developer, full time

1:38:54

front end developer, full time

1:38:56

machine learning slash computer vision engineer,

1:39:00

Okay. Why work here? Equal opportunity statement,

1:39:02

job perks. Hey.

1:39:05

Hey. We don't have our don't have our bloody

1:39:08

thing. The good thing that we have, the the

1:39:10

GRSP plan. Okay. We gotta get that

1:39:12

shit in here. Hey, Dan. Do you mind just sending

1:39:14

message over to HR? Yep.

1:39:17

And whoever manages this website,

1:39:19

that should be really quick to put up there

1:39:21

because of Squarespace. Okay.

1:39:24

For creator warehouse, we need

1:39:26

a full time senior retention marketing

1:39:28

specialist. Okay. Whatever the

1:39:30

hell that is. Full time electronics engineer

1:39:33

slash product designer. A full time fit technician.

1:39:36

Gotta make more garments. Alright. Cool.

1:39:38

So we got that. And then, 0000,

1:39:43

Here we go. What's going on

1:39:45

here? Oh, are not in

1:39:47

hiring right now, but they will be this year

1:39:50

and will be using the resume. Oh, okay. So

1:39:52

bear that in mind. We will be

1:39:54

hiring those positions. And

1:39:56

honestly, like, if it's stellar, I'm sure

1:39:58

we would just make it work. But sometimes,

1:40:00

you know, timing's not always perfect. So

1:40:04

Okay. And then Lions Media Group is looking for

1:40:06

a full time procurement manager, full

1:40:08

time sales supervisor, full time

1:40:10

logistics coordinator, full

1:40:12

time accountant, full time bookkeeper,

1:40:15

full time video editor slash camera op,

1:40:17

full time social media coordinator, full

1:40:20

time writer slash video producer, full

1:40:22

time production assistant. And,

1:40:25

yeah, we're man, we're hiring a lot of positions.

1:40:27

You want you want me to look at your thing. Right? It's

1:40:32

alright. Also, the jobs

1:40:35

on the float plane page are not only for float plane, which is

1:40:37

confusing. Yeah. I think they're just jobs that you're gonna have to

1:40:39

hire for. That kind of makes sense,

1:40:41

sort of not really, but yes, but no,

1:40:44

but yes. Anyway,

1:40:46

thanks, Luke. Good chat. Alright.

1:40:51

Oh. No. We got one more topic. Let's do

1:40:53

our last big topic and then we'll get into some good

1:40:55

merch messages. You guys probably

1:40:57

noticed we didn't promote really anything on

1:40:59

the store today. That

1:41:01

is for us to have one more

1:41:04

big push this weekend. We actually do have a

1:41:06

couple products that we could launch. But

1:41:08

I talked to Nick about it. Adam,

1:41:10

our our new customer experience supervisor,

1:41:13

and we basically went, okay, look, Let's

1:41:16

not do a big burst of

1:41:18

sales this weekend. Let's

1:41:20

save it. Let's get everything completely caught

1:41:22

up. Our goal for this year is to measure

1:41:25

our customer support response times in

1:41:27

hours, not in days.

1:41:29

So we're gonna get everything completely cleaned

1:41:32

up next week. And then next

1:41:34

week, hopefully, we'll have like good promo for you

1:41:36

guys or a big launch or something like that. Alright.

1:41:39

Seventy nine hundred XTX problems. After

1:41:42

its release in December, The AMD seven thousand

1:41:44

nine hundred XTX has

1:41:46

had some issues. There have been number of users reporting

1:41:48

that it was hitting hot spot temps above hundred and

1:41:50

ten degrees and slowing the GPU down. Amy

1:41:53

started by saying this was normal, but soon

1:41:55

after they admitted that some reference cards suffered

1:41:57

a manufacturing defect in vapor chamber.

1:42:00

Aandy was then interviewed by Gordon at PC

1:42:02

World, and according to Durbauer, some

1:42:04

questionable statements were made.

1:42:06

In the interview, Scott Herkleman from Aandy

1:42:08

said, is there performance issue? What we

1:42:10

found is if you throttle at hundred and ten degrees

1:42:12

in certain workloads, you can see a small performance

1:42:15

delta. Okay.

1:42:21

This did not line up with Dervauer's testing

1:42:24

that showed that three out of four cards

1:42:26

he tested could only dissipate two

1:42:28

fifty to two eighty watts power consistently,

1:42:31

eighty watts lower than it should be, which can

1:42:33

drop performance by ten to twenty percent.

1:42:36

Whoops. You gotta

1:42:38

protect my voice. Whoops. The problem

1:42:41

appears to be stemming from not enough liquid in

1:42:43

the vapor chambers. What's strange is that

1:42:45

AMD says they traced the problem to a bad

1:42:47

batch of coolers and that customers can get

1:42:49

in touch with customer support to figure things out.

1:42:52

But that doesn't really make sense because if it only

1:42:54

affected a single batch, it should be relatively simple

1:42:56

to use serial numbers to figure out where those cards

1:42:58

are and preemptively recall them. I

1:43:02

mean, yeah.

1:43:04

Is it it's yeah. Like, why are they relying on

1:43:06

customers to test a thousand dollar GPU?

1:43:08

To figure out if it's defective. Like, what are they? What

1:43:10

are they? Your RMA department? This

1:43:14

either means that the defect isn't confined

1:43:16

to single batch or that AMD just

1:43:18

doesn't really care, and as long

1:43:20

as these GPUs don't die within

1:43:22

the warranty period, they're just ultimately not

1:43:24

gonna be their problem. The

1:43:27

larger problem is that AMD

1:43:29

is super low on seventy nine hundred XTX

1:43:31

stock, so only about one out of three

1:43:33

of customers affected will be able to get

1:43:35

ACE card in the first two weeks in Germany.

1:43:38

Dervé recommends just taking a refund from

1:43:40

AMD and buying an AIB seventy

1:43:42

nine hundred XTX instead of waiting for AMD

1:43:44

to replace your reference card. Or

1:43:47

if this is just kind of like fucking

1:43:51

stupid, you could just not

1:43:53

buy an AMD card, but then you're supporting Nvidia

1:43:56

who has their own problems. I

1:43:59

know. Right? There's

1:44:01

been some speculation that GPUs have died

1:44:03

as a result of this hotspot, so Jabauer

1:44:06

received a broken card from viewer to teardown

1:44:08

and you absolutely should watch

1:44:10

the moment that he turns it on for the first time,

1:44:12

not safe for nerds. With

1:44:14

with the disassembly done, looks like there was

1:44:17

faulty VRM. So the hot spot temp had nothing

1:44:19

to do with the GPU dying. With a better

1:44:21

cooler, it still would have led up the magic smoke though.

1:44:23

Some bonus not safe for nerds content, sixty

1:44:25

nine hundred s t's are also appearing to be dying

1:44:27

in large numbers with one

1:44:30

German shop receiving forty eight dead GPUs.

1:44:32

The picture of one of the GPUs is truly

1:44:35

horrific. Let's

1:44:37

see. Yikes.

1:44:41

Glad did that die just crack? What

1:44:43

makes a die crap? Oh, it came off on the cooler.

1:44:46

Why would it come off on the cooler? What

1:44:49

the hell? Wow.

1:44:53

Okay. With

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that said, forty eight is not necessarily

1:44:59

an enormous number. It just depends

1:45:01

on how many this particular this

1:45:04

particular store sold. Yeah. Some

1:45:08

people are speculating that a driver issue caused

1:45:10

this, although much like the faulty VRM GPU

1:45:12

that Durbauer showed, it

1:45:14

is possible for driver kill a GPU,

1:45:17

like for real. Like, a driver could

1:45:19

potentially tell it to to draw

1:45:21

way too much power. Or

1:45:23

it could it could disable a

1:45:25

a thermal safety. You know, yeah, it's possible.

1:45:28

But I I think that's fairly unlikely Our

1:45:31

discussion question is if you were AMD, how would you try

1:45:33

and solve the bad vapor chamber problems? I mean,

1:45:35

we had some problems with screwdrivers. We contacted

1:45:37

everyone who bought one. We had them

1:45:39

keep their existing driver. We don't serialize

1:45:41

the screwdrivers because how,

1:45:44

like, realistically, there's

1:45:46

there's no there's no onboard programming. Like,

1:45:48

we wouldn't have a way of actually serializing them

1:45:51

that couldn't be that couldn't be forged.

1:45:53

Right? So what are we gonna do? Have a different

1:45:56

plastic mold for every stupid driver

1:45:58

that we're gonna put a sticker on it, like, whatever.

1:46:00

We don't serialize them. So what we had people do

1:46:03

was just mark the ones that we knew were

1:46:05

bad. To scratch an x, send

1:46:07

a picture to us of the scratched one so that we'd

1:46:09

know that no, that one does

1:46:11

not have any existing or does not have

1:46:13

any remaining warranty and then we sent them a brand new one

1:46:15

that has a brand new warranty. That's

1:46:18

how we would do it. A