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this when we were all talking

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about cats earlier and this one

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his heirs. Huffing. Your cats

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and your loved ones

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my mind. Emily: What's your teeth? I'm

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sorry I still hung up on huffing and

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on. one or both. Of says I

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already very excited for this sequel.

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all sorts of ways. Of

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word huffing has really a man mass.

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craft. it's he is. I think we're

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My favorite thing to always talk

6:52

about. In my weirdest thing, it.

6:54

Biller but. Yarn.

6:57

Is how I came

6:59

about. This topic. So

7:02

my cat junk junk Yes J

7:04

U N K G I U

7:06

N K o He was adopted

7:09

two years ago this week. Smile

7:11

He as a black and white

7:13

tuxedo tie who is just like

7:16

a weird little guy. I'm I.

7:18

Unfortunately I've done the bad pet

7:20

owner thing where I have not

7:23

provided I'm. Pat. Photos

7:25

on this call for just

7:27

imagine your standard. Tuxedo.

7:30

Cat. Half

7:32

black face. White

7:34

chest, White little socks

7:36

on but he he just has

7:39

like a very grumpy face to

7:41

and he loves I'm. Drinking

7:44

water out of plant trees so

7:46

like for the thing to that

7:48

would have on the bottom of

7:50

our plans to like catch any

7:52

water that overfilled even know he

7:54

has plenty of flux fresh clean

7:56

water his eyes like what if

7:58

i drink the water. It.

8:00

I'm. Has dirt in

8:02

it. it's it's interesting. I see spicy

8:04

was a bit. Absolutely like this is

8:06

my Fiji water and Mrs yeah I

8:09

suppose it is a weekend pass. Notoriously.

8:12

Like sometimes will refuse even the water

8:14

out of the ball because it's still

8:16

in. The ideas like they have evolved

8:18

to be like ooh Stillwater. Gross. I

8:20

wanna. A didn't leave Babbling Brook

8:22

so uma you have the little found

8:25

him so nice I love that your

8:27

time is like it's move as the

8:29

simplest and dirtier the better and I

8:31

really like any time I have an

8:33

open little and wide top on my

8:36

bicycle to try and it's thick as

8:38

had into at know like sir like

8:40

you have had coffee before and like

8:42

thank goodness. Me and. He.

8:45

Was doing a bit more zooming that day

8:47

phone away, And have

8:49

you all seen the tweets

8:51

were? It's like I love

8:53

smelling my partner. I love

8:56

smelling my partner's arm That.

8:59

Ah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've

9:01

seen the tweets. I've seen the you

9:03

know, The. Other stuff is this.

9:05

The other took out of in

9:07

a very very appropriate ness so

9:09

I know I exactly sound creepy

9:11

about i am kind of like

9:14

that with junk junk. I. Love

9:16

putting my face in his far and

9:18

just taken up said all with. And

9:21

I can only categorize his

9:24

sons ah as. Coming.

9:27

Like. Smelling your bad after coming home

9:29

from a trip. Like. It's not

9:31

clean laundry like into that have that

9:33

like fresh powdery smell but it. It

9:36

smells lived an. Arm

9:38

and homey but it's not even

9:40

think the specific. ah I'm very

9:42

very the discussion but. Ah,

9:45

so naturally I love to

9:48

go. Goal! My. Search

9:50

history isn't as. Without I

9:52

googled why does might hot

9:55

smell so guide? Because it's

9:57

he smells so good and.

10:00

Thankfully there are some legit

10:02

answers in perfumery and all

10:04

a faction like making perfume

10:06

is just chemistry at the

10:08

end of the. Ah,

10:12

So is. Some cat owners

10:14

have described their tops as

10:16

smelling like cinnamon or laundry

10:18

perfume. He has even been

10:21

years and there are some

10:23

specific compound that. Hat

10:25

secrete out of their nine

10:27

Dylan's that give off cent

10:29

on that. Sort of contribute

10:32

to the fall. So

10:34

there's a key town called

10:37

for file for methyl pen

10:39

ten to whine on rolls

10:42

off the tongue rove I'm

10:44

the founder of and it's

10:46

characterized as late. Fruity.

10:49

Or powder leave. It's most

10:51

strong in feel male female

10:53

cat or neutered male. Arm

10:56

and other Fun fact: if

10:58

you've ever smelled a black

11:00

currant bush and thought to

11:02

yourself a kind of mobile

11:04

a cat pee or some

11:07

varying level of Katniss, Congrats

11:09

the thing with a cat.

11:11

Urine and black or on

11:13

buses contain varying concentrations of

11:15

this ketone. Sell.

11:18

Pot to give off a

11:20

nanny Sand art secrete Anger

11:22

Ah. And. as

11:25

specific sort of the the

11:27

creating this not he smell

11:29

from this. From. Their

11:31

pen a glance which are on

11:34

their cat on the cat's head

11:36

just behind their ears. On.

11:39

It's. Nutty. It's earthy.

11:42

It's similar to jasmine

11:44

rice naturally. Also, what

11:47

your cat. Sits

11:49

on can affect. How. They

11:51

smile. What state

11:53

he, what breed they're up they

11:56

are and how much they groom

11:58

themselves. Also, Make.

12:01

Accounts into. Ah,

12:04

How they smell? I'm sure if anyone else

12:06

has. Brought a cab home

12:08

slam. Ah, like a shelter

12:10

or like off the street.

12:13

When. You first get down.

12:15

Those boys are stinky stinky

12:17

stinky. Fifty five, They get

12:20

less stinky overtime. Also.

12:24

Ah, and this is where. The.

12:26

Sniffing your partner's armpits and

12:28

liking how they smell factors

12:31

into play. Things we love

12:33

smell good to us. So.

12:36

Our own factory senses

12:38

are probably our most

12:40

primal. Ah me relief

12:43

pheromones by and if we

12:45

like the per the way

12:47

that someone's now old of

12:49

like all right like bear

12:51

a good a good partner

12:53

in our little ah. You

12:57

Terry Oh brain is that though. Is

12:59

that a single cell organism? Will

13:02

yet as it can be okay for type

13:04

of silva. Have the nucleus rate. Yeah

13:07

yeah. Ok I'm thinking about

13:09

like are we are descended from Oh yeah.

13:12

I'm going high school. Biology has

13:15

go buy and sell it like

13:17

an evolutionary thing as a survival

13:19

sag. And. Naturally,

13:21

I'm. Not to

13:23

say it's a wonder one comparison, but like

13:25

when you think about it, it makes sense.

13:28

Like. So I like. I love

13:30

this little guy. It would crawl

13:32

all over my deficits. It added

13:34

like. Sure, He eat

13:36

my plants sometimes. I

13:39

would do anything for him.

13:42

Much. The way we we do

13:44

anything for our partners who eat our

13:46

plans and lay in the bad. ah

13:48

I'm. Also. Huffing.

13:51

Your cat can save their life. So.

13:54

It. Cat. Owners I

13:56

know I certainly am as a

13:58

long time cat. Hundred new sort

14:01

of notice. When this.

14:04

They smell off or bad and some

14:06

way late for example. If. They've

14:08

appeared in a corner, you

14:11

know, If. They if they

14:13

paid in the litter box. And.

14:15

The litter of off smell the little

14:17

funky you absolutely no like if it's

14:19

super fresh. Ah, And.

14:24

A bad. Can't.

14:26

Smell. Can be

14:28

connected to poor dental house.

14:30

Impacted. Anal glands.

14:33

Digestion, Issues: Incontinence:

14:36

kidney disease, Urine.

14:38

Spraying which is definitely super

14:40

common in male cat. And.

14:43

Poor grooming. Sometimes.

14:47

You. Might sniff your car and go

14:49

through. It smells like maple syrup.

14:52

Or. I generally like there's this

14:54

sweet smell coming from my cat.

14:56

And although what? We consider

14:59

sweet things to be good.

15:01

As humans, a cat smelling

15:03

sweet is not great. Ah,

15:06

In that can actually be a sign

15:08

that you're a cat has diabetes. especially

15:10

if you're sort of can ask smelling

15:13

them. Yeah. I'm fleet

15:15

diabetes and accent be on.

15:18

Humanitarian. Does actually smell sweet.

15:21

That and you. When

15:23

you have high blood sugar it's just that

15:25

is now that we have better ways of

15:27

testing blood sugar last at. Most people are

15:29

not like. Who. Know me from

15:31

that when I never got that are you doing

15:33

this but there was a tie with that was

15:36

the best bet is and had to offer. You

15:38

know with i have thing I mean you can

15:40

you can smell when you. Have. A Uti I

15:42

as well like our area. like yeah so

15:44

it's we're we're kind of do and some

15:47

some sniffing around still for medicinal. That's very

15:49

true. The now knows the center

15:51

know that no effect. On

15:55

the ice you're smelling something

15:57

sweet from your cats mouth.

15:59

Maybe just. Maybe a plan

16:01

a trip? To. The that. Do.

16:03

Some a precautionary tough thing.

16:06

And from fact, it's also

16:08

not just in domestic cat.

16:11

So. Big cats like Leopards, tigers

16:13

and lions have a compound in

16:15

their urine called to a p

16:17

which smells like buttered popcorn. Sour.

16:20

I've heard that one. Before. I've heard about

16:23

had pointed butter popcorn or it aired Big

16:25

Cats Mining Butter popcorn. Yeah as as any

16:27

to me, Through those as a thing of

16:29

da six feet find like fritos. yeah he

16:31

did he I think. I've

16:34

never spent enough time with the dog to

16:36

really investigate their feet. So I I can

16:39

neither confirm or deny. but it looks like

16:41

death has health thoughts. This

16:43

this this. System. Isn't.

16:49

There was definitely yard and explanation circulating

16:51

at some point and I think it

16:54

might have. I think we might talk

16:56

about on the shelf if possible that

16:58

some. Specific.

17:03

I knew that again stinky breath to

17:05

I was gonna say my cats are

17:07

very like. Funky smelling and

17:09

I love it so much.

17:12

And when they like lick me and breathe on me and I'm just like

17:14

oh my god. You're fart breath. I love. Those

17:19

are worried about where that mouth

17:22

has been putting on from level

17:24

I. Ah, I'm. I

17:27

actually saw a I'm.

17:31

A comedy show. Last.

17:33

Night and. Ah,

17:36

The. Person who was performing. His

17:39

began and they're like I'm mostly

17:41

the again because I think about

17:44

Lake. Where has this animal?

17:46

Ben? Yeah, like hundred metre. Have

17:48

they roll them before that? very

17:51

real. Why is this thinking like

17:53

what's been in their. Mouth.

17:55

When Yeah normally when many about I

17:58

am and you know that. There,

18:00

I think that's a really valid reason to

18:02

be easy get. There are many. Any

18:05

reason to be being in a zealot as if

18:07

you wanted to be and not one. And like

18:09

it's true, if I thought too much about that,

18:12

That. Isn't ideal? Am reducing

18:14

my animal products and sensitive once again

18:16

periodically I like it is time to

18:19

once again tighten the screws. Ah, but

18:21

it's said, you know? But no, that's

18:23

something I'll definitely I'll put. I'll keep

18:26

that in my back pocket for the

18:28

next time that I am. Ah, I'm

18:30

tempted to email me he says specific

18:33

that as like this guy. This

18:36

guy was rolling around in the

18:38

cells that you know what offended

18:40

hem. Ah know that

18:42

a quick a quick Google

18:45

search has I'm again quick

18:47

Google search has have concluded

18:49

that dogs it like Fritos.

18:52

Our dog's paws smell like

18:54

Fritos. On. Because it's nice

18:56

deal for growth in their paws which makes

18:59

sense. Yeah. Like he just.

19:01

Chip. On guys.

19:04

As this is our. Conclusion.

19:08

Sniffs, Your boyfriend. Sniff.

19:10

You girlfriend. Sniff. Anyone

19:12

else in your life. Nephew. Pet.

19:15

Assisted the no no.

19:21

Well. I feel like my my desire to

19:23

sniff my cats have been normalized and

19:25

little validated. It's it's so it's so. Thank

19:27

you. Amount of time? Like

19:29

okay, like I need to figure

19:32

out. Do some more

19:34

googling figure out. The all

19:36

of the. Chemical. Compounds

19:39

of my cat. And then

19:41

just make my own perfume so I can wear it

19:43

all the time. I. Feel like

19:45

the arm pits are being neglected? Info

19:47

analysis here like you're not absolute amp

19:49

we have in my armpits and like making

19:51

sure we understand. Why that smoke? Good

19:53

Yeah. Or maybe that's just only

19:55

the armpits of those you love.

19:58

Yeah, I do think it's pro. Well I

20:00

mean eat out? A your mileage may

20:02

vary. I think they're probably. Some

20:04

people who are like the the stranger

20:07

the armpit the better of I would

20:09

say probably for the average person who's

20:11

like i loved my my foreigners armpits

20:13

it is probably more like that is

20:16

a very a very saturated source of

20:18

their. Unique. Smelly this

20:20

email and set me up. The

20:22

Towson, the Sat. Here I am.

20:25

It's like vulnerable and intimate northern

20:27

Italy of yeah or yeah. there's

20:30

little culture. That goes into it as well.

20:32

Yeah, I wrote. Back

20:34

way back in the day I wrote a

20:36

piece. For. The Atlantic about

20:39

like. At. Send.

20:41

And attacks in and memory it was.

20:43

It's very like self indulgent essay about

20:46

letting it's realizing that a guy had

20:48

gotten like two dates less who were

20:50

male friends with as the time I

20:52

was like why doesn't he want to

20:54

go on more dates with me It

20:56

was a very very twenty one year

20:58

old Rachel live anyway I like realize

21:00

that he smelled like wonder he ah

21:02

and then I was like oh my

21:04

god know every time I do wonder

21:06

when I think this guy turns out

21:08

that only lasted like two weeks sorry

21:10

justify a. Fan I did write

21:12

this essay about like yeah, there's

21:15

There's a lot of research on.

21:17

You. Know both are Breen.

21:20

Do. The thing where it's like lead

21:22

to now sense that we. Small.

21:24

The tying to otherwise we would be like.

21:26

We. Would have sensory overload all the time. saving

21:29

to some extent like the

21:31

things that are unpleasantly stinky

21:33

about. folks. And

21:35

animals you're close. proximity where's your brain

21:37

has kind of like dulled those our

21:39

So then it's like analysis as the

21:41

bouquet that I associate with happy wonderful.

21:44

Feelings. Even if like baby.

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we're back and I'm Emily. I would

24:54

love to before we get into more.

24:56

Ah Animal Staff I would love to

24:58

hear about this little robot. Have.

25:01

Wheels Ac of. Yes, this

25:03

robot also is I would say

25:05

fastened to look kind of like

25:07

a cute animal. So. A

25:10

group of roboticists mostly in

25:12

Europe. Decided to do an

25:15

experiment to see how they could

25:17

create. A means is highly

25:19

specific thing they're like we need

25:21

a food delivery robot for an

25:23

urban area and it's kind of

25:25

this idea of the last mile

25:27

delivery like how to you you

25:29

know prevent people from having to

25:31

like drive around and cars and

25:33

like do deliveries in the city.

25:35

And it's like, you know, they have

25:37

a lot of great euphemisms in their

25:40

paper for things like City's Been Stinky.

25:42

And full of traffic and pile of that

25:44

are there is a felony. The things I

25:46

immediately loved about it like they were like.

25:49

That. Sounds is of

25:51

the urban environment include

25:53

locomotion across varied terrain.

25:56

And. Everybody to navigate efficiently

25:58

around complex. Dynamic.

26:01

Obstacles: The Hitler's or like you know

26:03

what they're they're just like yeah that

26:05

literally poop on the street. yeah but

26:07

I'll of garbage and like crumbling stairs.

26:09

So and so they're like okay how

26:12

do we make a robot do this

26:14

and. They. Kinda

26:16

the conclusion that they want a robot

26:18

the could go fast. the lid on

26:20

wheels him but it's encountering. Years.

26:23

And other kinds of like weird obstacles that

26:25

it's gonna need to climb on so it

26:28

can't use wheels exclusively. you come up against

26:30

on what Doctor Who fans will know as

26:32

the Daleks problem as the not like we're

26:34

on. You have a bad guy who's on

26:37

wheels and it encounters there that doesn't really

26:39

seem that bad. Anymore So I assumed

26:41

I didn't, just. Make them levitate several

26:43

season or known say did all of it

26:45

And as the wrote a sorry the daleks

26:48

right yeah as everyday as a as that

26:50

it as yet a robot didn't have this

26:52

is a sort of deep into my doctor

26:54

doesn't require that. I just like groups of

26:57

all robots levitate. I'm so. In

26:59

order to do this they said or a habit of

27:01

we give the robot. Be ability to switch

27:03

back and forth between walking. Or trotting

27:06

as they put it and rolling.

27:08

And. So this month they had to invent

27:11

a bunch of new ways to tackle terrain.

27:13

Nobody's ever really tried to create a robot.

27:15

the does this because a lot of robots

27:17

that like walk around like that you may

27:19

have. Seen like the Boston Dynamics

27:21

Society A Big Dogs. Those

27:23

are all biomimetic right there

27:25

based on actual. Biological organisms

27:27

and they try to imitate the

27:29

behavior of those organisms but we

27:31

don't have as far as me

27:33

know am any organisms. That have

27:35

both wheels and legs. So.

27:38

They're like great. Had a we figure this

27:40

out. So. They design. Seriously.

27:42

The most adorable robot. It

27:44

looks like. Kind. Of

27:46

like a cross between like a

27:49

baby carriage and maybe like a

27:51

big. Dog. And I'm

27:53

It has like I've read chassis and it on

27:56

one end. it definitely looks like it has to

27:58

eyes and a mouse that are can. My

28:00

wing and the wheels are really big

28:02

and kind of sauce like their mama

28:04

flakes. I'm one of the bicycle wields

28:06

from those fold up bikes around. In

28:09

fact, that robot can fold up and

28:11

sit down almost. Like a full that bike. So.

28:14

They're like great. We've got this

28:16

wield robot I'm how do we

28:18

had a we train it because

28:21

again we don't have any models

28:23

for this so they put the

28:25

robots brain inside. I'm basically a

28:27

video game engine that procedurally generated

28:29

a bunch of random environment so

28:31

it learn how to navigate all

28:33

these random environments just the way

28:35

we when we play procedurally generated

28:37

video game with learned how to

28:39

navigate constantly changing. Serene Also see say

28:42

no of of is better than others. As

28:44

a said yes I have a. D.

28:47

And after several video games because I'm

28:49

like well years I literally can't figure

28:51

out how to get up this the

28:53

sag the so I need to trot

28:56

specific mean out other fat as the

28:58

robot learn. really. So

29:01

and so basically the robot played video

29:03

games for a while and then they

29:06

unleashed it. In Zurich where they

29:08

were, a lot of them were based. while they

29:10

were during the three thirds. And I'm they

29:12

did. They created this great. Video wits

29:14

am I scared with you guys earlier to

29:16

buy? Just thought it was adorable. Where

29:18

the robot is like kind of just going

29:21

around in the city and it's climbing stairs

29:23

with the at navigating around people with the

29:25

like kids gawking at it and dogs barking

29:28

at it and it's like squishes itself really

29:30

small and it like has to climb over

29:32

obstacles and one of the things that's really

29:34

cool is like you see it like putting

29:37

along on it's wheels and then it gets

29:39

to an obstacle that's really high like it's

29:41

just sort of a big cements lab and

29:44

it starts to roll on top of it

29:46

and then it kind of collapses. It's wheels

29:48

down and starts literally walking on what looks

29:50

like it's elbows and so like kind of

29:52

walks on it's elbows. Over top. And

29:54

then puts it's wheels down again. but at other

29:57

points when it uses its. Feet. And

29:59

putting feet in. In quotation marks, it's just

30:01

kind of. Put. The brakes on the wheels

30:03

and so the wielder. Break and it

30:05

like traps up a. Flight. Of

30:08

stairs and it's and again

30:10

it's freaking adorable and the

30:12

remains z of of the

30:15

a specific thing which is

30:17

that ah. Back.

30:20

When am Gotham Roller Derby the

30:22

season starts soon, honey second time

30:24

out from essay support your local

30:26

roller derby league any. Back

30:28

when they used to have like really tiny

30:31

juniors they saw as junior classes. but there

30:33

was a time when they had classes for

30:35

like actual babies and time. They.

30:38

Would play ah Beatles, your.

30:40

Senses. At half time at the

30:42

grown up game and the youngest

30:44

group they would have their wheels

30:46

tight end all the way on

30:48

their skates so they were litter

30:51

three. This is classic around on

30:53

there there's sex gates so I

30:55

yeah I I'm I'm really charmed

30:57

by this robot. This is it.

30:59

Will now always around me of

31:01

five. Year olds played Roller Derby.

31:03

This. This is a pretty much

31:05

is and you know they they

31:07

have. The thing it's really delightful

31:09

about this paper for me was

31:12

that it's full of pictures of

31:14

both the robots' successes on things

31:16

such as. I. Love Again

31:18

All these euphemisms, irregular step.

31:21

Nixed. Surfaces Problem: Munich surface

31:23

is literally just steps were they're

31:25

completely. Overgrown with weed, though,

31:28

it's mixed. And

31:30

then there's the interventions that they had

31:32

to do. When the robot did

31:34

not, Quite. Figure out how

31:36

to get around and so one of the

31:38

interventions they had to do with again what

31:40

they refer to as be. On traverse

31:43

the ball path which was literally

31:45

the robot just like drove. Off

31:47

the sidewalk into a giant

31:49

pile of like plants and

31:51

dirt and it is not.

31:53

Really? An under versus path. It's literally

31:55

not a path. or yeah, it was

31:57

a success with the exists a robot.

32:00

the sidewalk. So it's,

32:02

you know, the other thing about this paper

32:04

that I thought was so funny was, and

32:07

I was talking to you about this

32:10

beforehand, is so it's how specific it

32:12

is in the sense that they're like,

32:14

we need a robot to deliver food.

32:16

Yeah, not it, you know, they're not

32:19

doing this grandiose thing that I hear

32:21

about a lot because I live here

32:23

in the San Francisco Bay Area surrounded

32:25

by like AI weirdos who are like,

32:27

we are going to invent the next

32:29

evolutionary step in humanity. And it's like

32:31

these guys are like, no, all we

32:34

want to do is deliver food and we

32:36

want to do it safely in a cute

32:38

kind of creature that people won't be afraid

32:40

of. And they don't have

32:42

any, like, you know, discussion

32:44

of like, what are the ethics of designing

32:46

like something that will have super intelligence? It's

32:49

like, no, all we want to do

32:51

is navigate a hallway and go up some stairs.

32:53

And so it's congratulations on to these

32:55

guys for like just being like, we

32:57

have one task, we're designing a robot

33:00

for it. Thank you, sir. Goodbye.

33:02

Yeah, every time I've talked to, you

33:05

know, experts in AI and

33:08

robotics who don't like, you know, work for

33:10

a startup that's trying to do AI and

33:12

robotic stuff, they're always like, yeah,

33:15

it's really attainable for us to

33:17

pick a specific thing for

33:19

a robot with artificial intelligence

33:22

to do. It's like really

33:25

unrealistic to be like, we

33:27

just will make it, it can do

33:29

everything. And also, yeah, then then you

33:31

get into a bunch of ethical implications,

33:33

which you don't if it's just like,

33:36

you know, this, this little guy

33:39

is for delivering hamburgers.

33:42

And we've helped this robot be really

33:44

good at that. Yeah, I mean,

33:46

I assume since they're in Switzerland, it will also

33:49

be delivering fondue. Like it has to be like

33:51

a fondue pocket or something. Fun

33:57

enough towards Like

34:00

the tail end of my college career.

34:02

I live in Pittsburgh, which has like

34:05

a weird like techy Epic

34:07

yeah, also that's where the

34:10

hitchhiking robot met its demise was

34:12

in Pittsburgh But

34:16

also yeah, it was on brand for Pittsburgh.

34:18

Yeah, absolutely they

34:21

some company tried rolling out something

34:23

similar where it's like Um

34:27

little robot on wheels that delivers food

34:29

to you and it

34:32

makes me Chuckle

34:34

because it's like in here in America.

34:36

It's like how do we get this

34:39

guy to you know? not

34:41

stop in the middle of the sidewalk and

34:43

like Not crash into

34:46

the trash can and then the Europeans are

34:48

like our guy goes

34:50

downstairs You wish Yeah,

34:56

well also because they're thinking

34:58

about a device

35:00

they're thinking about creating a creature

35:03

modeled on Something that

35:06

doesn't exist in nature right so that's what I

35:08

think is also really cool about it And I

35:10

have to admit I found this paper because I'm

35:13

working on a novella right now about robots

35:15

Because you know it's in the future the robots

35:18

are running a restaurant as one does as

35:20

robots do and one of the

35:22

robots is a Robot

35:24

with legs that have wheels on the end and I'm

35:27

like has anybody done this like what would it be

35:29

like and like she keeps Having people

35:31

keep stealing her wheels so she keeps having to

35:33

replace her wheels with all different things And I

35:35

was like what would happen if that was going

35:37

on and then I found this paper And I

35:39

was like wow they've explained everything to me except

35:41

for the part where people keep stealing her wheels

35:43

But I guarantee you when they unleash these robots

35:46

Maybe real world that will be an issue like

35:48

how do you recover from having your wheels stolen?

35:51

We've got we've got the walking part right

35:54

right there so maybe which over maybe they'll

35:56

get their ideas from you Yeah,

35:59

I'll send them my About anything you guys

36:01

like, I have an important contribution to

36:03

your actual reason, or it's like I've.

36:05

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innocent about some self medicating.

39:30

Primates, Some of the monkeys. Some.

39:32

Of them. Not like he's back

39:34

And twenty twenty two researchers were

39:36

observing some ah a ring and

39:38

hims in Indonesia. And

39:41

one of the one hundred fifty individuals who

39:43

are watching that they have like a very

39:45

nasty looking open wound on his. Ah

39:47

Fei lands his plans. he plans ah

39:50

but which is the proper term for

39:52

the big play like seats you know

39:54

kind of their the like mutton chops

39:57

that they have going on in the

39:59

face area. And as there's a

40:01

picture and I'll and honestly I did not

40:03

enjoy looking at it because I did not

40:05

look far. This poor guy had like a

40:07

sizeable chunk. Missing and

40:10

unfortunately a wound like that isn't

40:12

particularly noteworthy for researchers in the

40:14

field. Males fight each other a

40:16

lot and they inflict a lot

40:19

of injury is to that area

40:21

in I think like is that.

40:23

Sort of. Face structure

40:25

is like very tied.

40:27

To sort of you know meeting and

40:29

like social dominance so I guess you

40:31

know you can go. Go for the

40:33

horns. By.

40:35

The behavior of the looted or a

40:38

and hand who is an adult his

40:40

mid thirties or called a raucous he

40:42

that absolutely gothard hundred And because they

40:45

saw him. ah. Chewing. Up

40:47

leaves and pressing them into the

40:49

wound. Ah I'm so this is

40:52

three days after the injury he

40:54

was ripping off leave us from

40:56

this plants with the common name

40:59

Apart Clooney at he was chewing

41:01

on leaves at putting the the

41:03

juice on his wound and then

41:06

at one point they saw some

41:08

like flies buzzing around and so

41:11

then he started pressing the leaves

41:13

to completely cover the wounds. And.

41:18

With. Cooler. This is that. Self. Medicating

41:20

and Animals is in new. And

41:23

I was gonna get into a bunch

41:25

more example that it actually I hit

41:27

fighting. So much to say about primates

41:30

that I'm likes of us more about

41:32

how other it from or self medicate

41:34

on and other day and the kind

41:36

of classic example is like cats eating

41:38

grass and I love and to liked

41:40

it purges of of parasites and sas

41:43

very annoying for you as a cat.

41:45

Owner: If you're you're cause disease and gas

41:47

and throwing up. Though. But

41:50

anyway, there were a few special

41:52

things about what this particular guy

41:54

was doing. For starters, the plant

41:56

he's it is one that we

41:58

know has. ah. Medicinal properties

42:00

i'm humans have historically is dead

42:03

and continue to use it today

42:05

for reducing inflammation, for killing off

42:07

microbes both bacteria in some guy

42:10

and for treating pain and in

42:12

a lot of cases of animal

42:14

self medicating. Either.

42:18

We don't know what that potential mechanism

42:20

a a saintly using his at were

42:22

in some cases we actually like a

42:24

learn about like the medicinal properties of

42:26

a plant from. Ah, Trying

42:28

it out because we like seen in the animal do it.

42:32

Was again I'll get into on a later

42:34

episode but ah yes this is one where

42:36

it's like okay yeah this is a thing

42:38

that we know work specifically for assessing he

42:40

is trying to you that for. And

42:44

they say that has poultice was actually pretty effective.

42:46

His wound close up in just a few days

42:48

and like a month later. it was like hard

42:50

to tell that anything had happened to him at

42:53

all. It's also

42:55

pretty unusual for non human animals

42:57

to use topical treatment. Most instances

42:59

of self medication in the wild

43:01

involve insisting certain things, and you

43:03

can try to imagine how that

43:05

might be more likely to happen.

43:07

Accident League has like. Animals.

43:10

Eat A Lot has happened to us.

43:14

By it's ah yeah, in this

43:16

case he was applying stuff. To.

43:18

The wound which again is

43:20

really unusual. this maybe that's

43:23

the second time and animal

43:25

has been seen applying topical

43:27

treatments directly to a specific

43:29

injury. The.

43:31

Researchers noted that as the wound

43:33

treatment had been observed in Sim

43:35

switches from a say that him

43:37

on Twenty Twenty two those Sims

43:39

researcher saw them they would like

43:41

cats an insect from the air

43:43

and unlike squeeze it between their

43:45

lips to immobilize I am and

43:48

then that they would put it

43:50

on. Their. Wounds and like

43:52

move it around with either their fingers

43:54

or the lifts and then remove the

43:56

insects and they would also do this

43:59

to other like a particularly mothers would

44:01

do this to their babies. I've had

44:03

lose. The scientists

44:06

there were not actually able

44:08

to. Like. Capture the insects

44:10

and figure out which ones are using

44:12

and study and so no idea what

44:15

is said. He mechanism there is there

44:17

but like a that did seem like

44:19

pretty clear ah you know using same

44:21

thing as a topical treatments and you

44:24

know that one's also considered pretty really

44:26

cool because i it was also being

44:28

part of the thing you would do

44:30

to care. For others, I'm.

44:33

Says there's one other suppose a case

44:35

of an animal using top of the

44:38

treatment but it's like have a lot

44:40

of caviar that I think it's actually

44:42

funny and worth mentioning as a business

44:44

study from the eighties of out and

44:46

adult female ah to put in monkey.

44:49

And so she was in captivity

44:52

ends the wedding the is is

44:54

she spontaneously manufactured and use tools

44:57

as groom her of admiral area

44:59

and for of her own wounds.

45:02

Over a six month period, the limbs

45:04

were from sites with other monkeys. and

45:08

see like maybe tools They're known

45:10

to make tools usually the make

45:12

tools to like. Get. And eat

45:14

food. But see

45:16

some. took this sugar be syrup

45:19

and started applying it see wounds

45:21

and grooming herself by it's. The.

45:23

Important caveat: there is it. I.

45:26

Heard caretakers at the like as

45:28

you or whatever facilities for the

45:30

then had previously treated her with

45:32

topical ointments so it was like

45:35

kind of literally a monkey see

45:37

monkey do situation and also at

45:39

least as far as I can

45:41

tell there was no the survey

45:43

fear of didn't do anything for

45:45

her wounds so it seems pretty

45:48

clear that this is so cool.

45:50

Like this is that a cool

45:52

instance of an animal being like

45:54

oh remember when they put goofy

45:56

set on may be worse than

45:58

it Really feel better I've met

46:01

so I thought the zebra interesting

46:03

but it's not so much like

46:05

oh These animals have like developed

46:07

a a routine of treating their

46:09

wounds using goop. Mississippi.

46:12

Monkeys just like our a sissy

46:15

getting. They're not like I'm putting

46:17

boots on their body is yeah

46:20

just just applying. Groups that do

46:22

we have any like evidence of

46:24

like hominin doing like facial care

46:27

routine and he said rising other

46:29

guys See there's actually a point

46:31

that the researchers me with a

46:34

like this is obviously cool but

46:36

like it begs the question. How.

46:39

Many behaviors like this do a mess

46:42

because there's only so much time you

46:44

can spend observing. Tiny.

46:47

it's in the wild, let alone like

46:49

every other as well that may potentially

46:51

do stuff like this. Ah, so they

46:53

were like it all these years observing

46:55

them. We saw one of them do

46:57

this this one time. man. That.

47:00

Doesn't mean that one guy is a

47:02

genius. It means they do stuff all

47:04

the time for it. Will he? don't

47:06

see? I know. I guess I would

47:08

say. Ah, You

47:11

know I. Am. I think

47:13

it's plausible that they do a skincare

47:15

routine. Intel I hear evidence other one

47:18

has easy access except for I'm we

47:20

have as much as he put on

47:22

late. One of those red light face

47:25

mask. I

47:27

say legs and d lion.

47:29

Sue. An ape.

47:32

Named. Probably elise be like. This.

47:35

Clearly goes on the face. Madden.

47:38

I think they'd they'd get another

47:41

like a ton of you do,

47:43

yeah, but maybe the woods and

47:46

soothing in Iowa. And it One

47:48

researcher who was commenting on this

47:50

you know pointed out that this

47:53

is a great reminder that animals

47:55

don't have to understand the mechanism.

47:58

Behind. The behavior to. Recognize that it's.

48:01

Useful. Like this as

48:03

he eats. Intelligent for an animal

48:05

to. Recognize that

48:07

there is a benefit to a

48:10

thing. Ends While it's cool that

48:12

humans have like got into a

48:14

plea culturally and intellectually that we

48:16

can figure out how things work

48:18

That like there are many other

48:20

animals other planet that are still

48:22

figuring stuff out either. Suspicious. Don't.

48:25

Understand the how. And

48:28

yet in this particular case, you know

48:30

there are so lot of questions. It's.

48:34

Not clear. Ah how he figured

48:36

this out. You know he is

48:38

a male or in his hands.

48:41

And leave home to. Enter

48:44

adulthood so there's no way for them

48:46

to know like maybe where he's from.

48:48

This is a really common behavior and

48:51

where he is now is not at

48:53

all of our behavior. I'm also it.

48:56

Apparently. I'm. Miller.

48:59

And at him spends. Like. A

49:01

lot of time with their mother and not

49:03

a lot of time with any other adults

49:05

where they are. The with also kind of

49:08

difficult to track, like how things get passed

49:10

around in terms of like learning and ideas.

49:14

And they do think that probably, you know it.

49:17

For. A topical treatment to get picked

49:19

up. You. Know

49:21

maybe they were eating this plans of

49:23

they're known to sometimes either it's not

49:26

a common source of food for them

49:28

and then decide. One. Of

49:30

them happened to. Touch.

49:33

Their wound with the juice and was

49:35

like it has really to repay really

49:38

the facts which is probably crucial because

49:40

obviously you know it's it takes a

49:42

lot of i'm in for and to

49:44

be like oh that juice that randomly

49:46

dripped on my skin made by wounds

49:48

heal faster but it's very easy to

49:50

be like whoa says that made it

49:53

feel way better and that that then

49:55

may be ah in using it they

49:57

were like whoa the fix the whole

49:59

process. The he could cool

50:01

how to sell and and it's

50:03

also possible that you know that

50:05

the reason that they like started

50:08

he is that as a poultice

50:10

instead of just like casually getting

50:12

some leave Tucson there is. Ah,

50:15

you might remember they mentioned that there

50:17

were some flies buzzing around or this

50:19

guy's wound before he switched them. just

50:21

juice to shoot up leaves. And so

50:23

that could be just like a very

50:25

straightforward you know, use what's around you.

50:28

you're already using the juice for. Pain.

50:30

Relief. And now you can make a physical

50:32

barrier to keep the bugs away to visor

50:34

annoying. You don't need to understand why it's

50:37

bad for for a senior with it and

50:39

to now want them in your face. Oh

50:41

in to one other thing I love is

50:43

that they were. They were like okay so

50:46

we've been observing these ranked hands A Like

50:48

I said there were like. Leave.

50:50

Only thing this behavior ones that

50:52

makes us. Really wish

50:54

we could observe them so much

50:56

more so that we could tell

50:58

the suffer nothing but they hid.

51:01

See one other possible example of

51:03

like wound treatment. So

51:05

to this mail named Pluto had

51:07

an injured finger and he kept

51:10

putting it into a pitcher plants

51:12

and they think the water cooled

51:14

made it feel good and obviously

51:16

that's a much simpler exclusive that

51:19

I really if I think it's

51:21

really sweet physicists, it's just arriving.

51:23

This guy with an algae finger

51:25

being like off this feels good

51:27

to really see a poke. Enough

51:30

plants. A subset of them. And

51:33

yeah, there are you know when

51:35

we're looking at self. Medication.

51:37

Were broadly I'm not even

51:40

just among primates, we do.

51:42

You see other evidence of

51:44

animals is figuring stuff out.

51:47

There was one study where

51:49

I'm this very wounded female

51:51

rang his hand, was eating

51:53

dinner. Leaves and stems and

51:56

ginger course has great anti

51:58

microbial properties. And

52:00

in seven years of observing her group.

52:03

Ah, They had

52:05

only seen it to other

52:07

individuals. ever eat. Ginger.

52:10

Where. They lived. So this

52:12

was like not a thing they usually aids

52:15

and said they were like this very wounded

52:17

female. We. Think. Was.

52:20

Trying to treat what was wrong with

52:22

her by eating this. Ginger. And

52:26

yeah there's other instances of

52:28

i'm you know people seeing

52:30

primates eat things that we

52:32

we know have some kind

52:34

of positive effect, but one

52:37

really fun one end up

52:39

going to come back to

52:41

the skin carotenes actually is

52:43

that. Again

52:45

around his hands were observed a

52:47

few years ago. ah I'm suing

52:49

it. I leave I think from

52:51

the same plant yeah that the

52:54

same plant that I bet at

52:56

the guy rak as use on

52:58

his face and they would sue

53:00

them for like five minutes and

53:02

then spend like another five minutes

53:04

rubbing the the lather onto their

53:06

arms and legs. Oath are not

53:08

not by minute Thirty five minutes

53:10

that it's been thirty five minutes

53:13

re lather in themselves up like

53:15

really saturating themselves. They were like

53:17

you must under say and they

53:19

do this intel. The. Skin is

53:21

that for is soaked the care

53:23

so they are so wet with

53:25

the i feel far day yeah

53:27

and. They would

53:30

only be doing the some specific

53:32

body parts most often the arms

53:34

and again it took a really

53:36

long time and indigenous people use

53:38

this very often for sore muscles

53:41

or a joint, pain and swelling.

53:44

And it does have really,

53:46

really. Good. At in

53:49

employment rate as when when

53:51

it was stayed in the

53:53

lab. I'm south who researchers

53:55

are saying that. These

53:57

are just rang and hands

53:59

being. I'm sore and

54:01

a d. I'm. Gonna run myself

54:03

a lover and so that are that it sinks

54:05

income Then where it's like this is the first

54:07

time something's been applied to a wound. Freaking laying.

54:09

But actually it seems like it's pretty common. For.

54:12

A ring and hands to i'm you know

54:14

give themselves as like a little. A.

54:17

Little Icy hot. This is the height

54:19

or neglect and owning a burns but

54:21

ah. And

54:23

one. Other folding about that

54:25

is that. They. Found

54:28

way more females doing it and

54:30

they think it's because they carry

54:32

their babies around. their arms get

54:35

sore arm so yeah you know.

54:38

It's a really smart

54:40

i'm. They're. Also of

54:43

and has said he is

54:45

on completed Monkeys Rubbing Themselves

54:47

list Millipedes. Millipedes

54:49

have defensive chemicals that have been

54:52

shown to repel mosquitoes and ah,

54:54

they are more likely to cover

54:56

themselves in millipede, go through when

54:59

it's wet and or lot of

55:01

as good as around and when

55:03

you give them a tissue covered

55:06

in the compound that. Millipedes.

55:08

Has that is known to republish good as

55:10

though like they want us white themselves over

55:12

with that issue they well but the officer

55:15

like drooling. they're like whole they're giving us

55:17

Oh god for the mosquitoes says. Of

55:20

the I noticed some examples of. How

55:23

animals have figured out how to make

55:25

their lives? You know better living through

55:27

chemistry as they say. And

55:30

I will definitely talk more about you

55:32

know what other instances of ourselves? my

55:34

case in in the Animal World at

55:36

a later date, but I. Was just the

55:38

way that I think I think it's great stuff.

55:41

I always have like a philosophical.

55:44

Question After I read papers like

55:46

that where it's like, okay, clearly

55:48

Yale hominid, They're doing all the

55:50

stuff that. We. Used to think

55:52

of as exclusively for humans, right? Like

55:54

they've medicine. They have ways of communicating

55:56

their cultural. Like they pass on cultural

55:58

knowledge. They they have words they have.

56:00

You know all the yep. it's like.

56:03

At. What point arena have enough evidence

56:05

to be like. Okay, they're basically people

56:07

were yeah, Only when I wonder what

56:10

you think like when. Like.

56:12

What do we need to physicists?

56:14

I think it's such a good

56:16

question and I was also thinking

56:18

about about that. An enemy. Of

56:20

course you know there are folks

56:22

you argue that we already have

56:24

all the the evidence we need.

56:27

I'm but yeah, I like sometimes.

56:29

I am I when I read

56:31

about. This.

56:35

Like. Really sophisticated. Behavior.

56:38

In other primates, and like. Or.

56:41

I think weird. The. Stupid why

56:43

it is I think. See, we made

56:45

our lives more complicated than. Sit

56:48

entry is and like I. Am

56:51

I think we really messed up

56:53

from South Park? That's also part

56:55

of the philosophical question for me

56:57

is that I'm like oh I

57:00

think yeah sure we the law

57:02

delight but like. Oh. This

57:04

is what if we kept city. Country.

57:08

For the to oh. Yeah,

57:10

but. I think it's.

57:13

I. Don't know way it would take

57:15

to. Convince. People that

57:18

aren't already. Most of

57:20

the way convinced that these are

57:22

like. Really? Sends

57:25

he in. Ah! Effectively.

57:27

People. But.

57:30

To lays eggs even if like this

57:32

rang of hang. Like saw this person

57:34

observing him and with like. Hey by

57:36

the way that it's rather like just say an

57:39

English like you know is a slight or whatever

57:41

language of the person speaks at like I still

57:43

think they would just like oh all. The

57:46

recent we have a way to explain that

57:48

that some sort of imitation and they're not

57:50

really that it in a language you know

57:52

if I just I feel like yeah like

57:54

may be maybe humans have evolved to not

57:56

recognize some other. People. That aren't

57:59

human that in person. Yeah

58:01

yeah that cause corpus of the

58:03

same. Way like you'll see papers

58:05

about. You. Know crows and

58:07

ravens just during an Incredible Things

58:09

With. Tools. And like cultural

58:11

trends Miss San and parents also

58:13

and your yeah. Come. On

58:16

guys sweet space. That sees.

58:18

A piano at Ces? I don't know. I don't know

58:20

if that would mean like if we all just ignored

58:22

they were people. Like, how would we behave differently with.

58:24

With. Crows? I don't know. Maybe

58:27

maybe. Say hello more often and are

58:29

so funny because it in a more

58:31

signee anzac. Yeah yeah exactly we would

58:33

enter into like barter in exchange. With

58:35

them are so on and other well

58:37

I'm nervous. They feel if they would be

58:40

anti capitalist. The lesson you. Know there's really no, we

58:42

do not. Recognize your bullshit

58:44

exchange. The census epigeneticists give

58:46

us a sandwich. I'm sorry.

58:49

That. It it has

58:51

complete disregard. I.

58:54

Love. I do love watching

58:57

videos of that gray parrot who is

58:59

learning. How. To identify different stuff we

59:01

is like. Made. Of glass.

59:04

He I'm like this pair

59:06

it at like he's He's

59:08

smarter than many humans I

59:10

now use that it all

59:13

figured out. He is really

59:15

editor degree pistachio grist. As

59:17

he's learning new things every day.

59:21

I will. I definitely need to be.

59:24

And on the pistachio griff my sister's

59:26

I found a pack of to stash

59:28

Ceos in the pot and the. Pocket.

59:31

Of a blazer so little he first

59:33

saw how did the and they came

59:36

from me like I said nothing but

59:38

if the thickness of-he owes. Saw.

59:40

The like, Why? Did

59:42

I put? These the sasha

59:44

right where we willing to blame or

59:46

the in and like you know it'll

59:48

be a great snack of the go

59:51

and live. Ah where they sell like

59:53

with the skin they were and cell

59:55

to cell. Okay let's say our and on the

59:57

goes Now that's a reasonable on ago. Imagine

1:00:01

having having just like. In.

1:00:03

Shell the Sasha on the Gowanus

1:00:05

just like get is why Off

1:00:07

and whistles list from well as

1:00:09

pistachios and it's just like need

1:00:11

training that gray error. And

1:00:16

of course if we were writing a

1:00:18

paper about your behavior would be like

1:00:20

will. This is very sophisticated stashing behavior

1:00:22

and she puts the the nuts in

1:00:24

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1:00:26

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1:00:28

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