0:00

I hate to be the bearer

0:02

of bad news and I don't

0:04

enjoy the bitter pill either, but

0:06

we live on a tax farm.

0:08

Government is just a corporation that

0:10

harvests people's labor through taxation and

0:12

inflation. The less people

0:14

understand that, the better. We're all here to

0:16

produce money for the government. Yeah, yeah. And

0:18

then hopefully they don't have the policies where

0:21

they just want to end us, which it

0:23

seems like they want to. They want us

0:25

to produce tax revenue or do they want

0:27

us to die? Well, when you die, guess

0:29

what? They tax that. In

0:33

general, it's very misaligned. It's

0:35

the relationship between the individual

0:37

and the state. But when

0:39

you unplug from the matrix

0:41

and start seeing things through the eyes of Bitcoin, you

0:44

see the state for the scam that it is.

0:47

I don't think it should be that surprising, by the way.

0:49

When I look around the world, I see a lot of

0:51

scams. A lot, right? Public

0:53

education, public health, public this, public that.

0:56

Like they're all scams. Why

0:58

would the financial system and

1:00

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1:03

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1:05

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3:35

libertarianism, it's like that's the

3:37

ideal, right? Life, liberty, property,

3:40

leave people alone. However, you

3:44

can't, it's not enough to just state

3:47

the ideal or to just have the proposition

3:49

of the ideal. There have to be, I

3:52

don't know, incentives or systems

3:55

or even disincentives to keep people

3:57

acting in that way. And

4:00

so this is

4:02

why I think libertarianism was basically

4:05

impossible prior to Bitcoin, because there's

4:07

always this temptation to centralize

4:10

the money and counterfeit the money, because

4:13

you can just print money to

4:15

steal from people and people don't know any

4:17

better. You can totally circumvent the political process.

4:21

And so what do we end up with everywhere in the

4:23

world? We end up with central banks. So

4:26

what we really needed was a money that nobody could

4:28

print or centralize or counterfeit, and

4:30

that's what Bitcoin is. So I'm hoping Bitcoin

4:33

takes us into a more libertarian world,

4:36

or at least closer to the libertarian ideal.

4:38

Not that it will necessarily allow us to

4:40

fully realize it, but at least takes us

4:42

a step closer. Yeah,

4:44

definitely. It lifts some of those barriers. And like you

4:47

said, it makes it because we still need

4:49

some kind of monetary exchange system. But

4:52

yeah, if we can get it out of the hands of them, you

4:54

know, lead us there, get it out of

4:56

those hundred people in the world, and

4:58

freeze us from so much war and

5:01

everything else, people fighting over it, because

5:04

we can print our own. I think that's what the biggest

5:06

threat is, right, to the establishment, is that they would lose

5:08

a lot of their control. And,

5:10

you know, I think they're tolerating it now, but,

5:14

you know, hopefully it continues

5:16

like that. Yeah,

5:20

I think they end up just... And

5:23

this is already happening from people that

5:26

I know that work on or

5:28

near Wall Street. They say Wall

5:30

Street insiders are just buying it,

5:33

because it's just like, if

5:36

you own Facebook, right,

5:39

and Instagram's up-and-coming new social

5:41

media app, well, you

5:43

can't really stop it. Like, you could try, I guess,

5:45

but once you realize that you can't stop it, what

5:47

do you do when you buy it or you buy

5:49

something? Buy it out. Yeah. So

5:52

that's sort of the same approach, I think,

5:54

the legacy financial system's going to take towards

5:57

Bitcoin is this. Dawning

6:00

realization that you can't stop it, which

6:02

is maybe probably probably already dawned, right?

6:04

They've tried to stop it They've tried

6:07

social attacks. They've tried Regulatory

6:10

attacks and Bitcoin just

6:13

keeps going on tick-tock next block. So now

6:15

people are just gonna start buying it Yeah,

6:18

I wish I'd bought it. I was gonna one of

6:20

my buddies he made I

6:23

think four or five three or four Bitcoin. He

6:25

mined it back in the day, right? 15

6:28

years ago sold it for like 300 bucks each

6:30

just to pay his electric bill and paper the

6:32

video cards, right? So he didn't

6:34

really ever make anything on it Yeah, I know that

6:37

all and then a couple years

6:39

ago when it was going up He's

6:41

like he said he logged into one of his over

6:43

counts and you have like a fraction of a bit

6:46

climbing though He was like a tiny number and he

6:48

still got like a thousand something dollars Which is more

6:50

than all he even made in the previous time when

6:52

he actually sold a whole bit going so But

6:55

that was kind of funny But yeah, I

6:57

mean see I wish I had gotten in when it was Super

7:00

low, but I don't know. I was always like what

7:02

is the point of this but I didn't really understand

7:05

it So I think that's great that you're trying to

7:07

you know, show people really what the value is and

7:09

what it can do for everybody Yeah,

7:13

I mean it's a good holder of value

7:15

too, right? I mean that's best utility at

7:17

this point and be able to maintain that

7:21

The actual wealth and that it is

7:23

the way into the inter with the dollar,

7:25

you know, yeah That's

7:28

really I mean Bitcoin is

7:30

extremely complicated If

7:32

you want to understand all the

7:35

nuances and the ins and outs about it also

7:38

very Complicated in

7:40

its potential implications like what it could if

7:42

it succeeds, what does the world look like?

7:44

Like there's a lot to you Conjecture

7:48

I guess about that but the

7:51

the value proposition of Bitcoin to the essence of

7:53

what it is is pretty straightforward Once

7:56

you understand that money printing is bad, right?

7:59

Like when someone can print money, they're just

8:01

stealing purchasing power from whoever is saving in

8:03

the money. Therefore

8:05

people prefer money that's hard or

8:07

impossible to print. This

8:10

is why gold was such

8:12

a useful money. Right. It's

8:14

very, very difficult to produce,

8:17

very difficult to expand the supply of. So

8:19

therefore it makes a really

8:22

good savings technology for holding purchasing

8:24

power over time. So

8:26

if you understand that principle, well then Bitcoin

8:28

is just money that you cannot print at

8:30

all. It's literally gold and you have to

8:32

take it out of the ground. It takes

8:34

effort, it takes resources and time

8:36

and money and energy to actually produce the Bitcoin.

8:38

Then people ask me, what is a Bitcoin? I'm

8:40

like, it's just a value of work done. Yeah.

8:43

It took this, this amount of

8:45

resources or power or whatever to

8:48

produce this, compute power, electricity. And

8:50

this is what its value is

8:52

based off of that. So measures are

8:54

worked on, I guess like any currency

8:57

would be, but yeah,

9:01

it's interesting that you could,

9:03

I think it's cool that it used to

9:05

be easier and now increments up

9:07

harder and harder. The longer time goes on

9:09

and the shorter the supply runs out. Do

9:11

you have any idea when the actual cap

9:14

is going to be reached? Yeah,

9:16

I think it's around the year 2140, the last Bitcoin is supposed

9:18

to be

9:23

mined. Yeah, but the, oh man, I hope this is

9:25

the right. I can't recall. It's, I

9:28

think by the year

9:41

2034, it's

9:43

either 90% of

9:45

the Bitcoin supply would have been mined or 99%. I want

9:47

to say it's 99%.

9:51

So 99% of all the Bitcoins that will ever

9:53

exist will be mined in the next 10 years or

9:56

by the end of the next 10 years. And then

9:58

the last. So from the year

10:00

2034 to the year 2140 is spent mining the last 1%

10:03

of the Bitcoin supply. Someone

10:09

could check no math on that. It's either the last 1%

10:11

or the last 10%. But

10:14

I'm pretty sure it's the last 1% because

10:18

we're already over 19 million Bitcoin mined.

10:20

So I think it'll be close to

10:22

like 20 and a half million. What

10:25

is the cap? 21 million. I'm

10:29

already at 19. We're way

10:31

over 19. We're like probably close to 20 right

10:34

now. But

10:37

as time goes on, it does get more

10:39

difficult, right? So it's gonna take longer every

10:41

year. But

10:44

then you have like a million people crunching

10:46

numbers and it gets

10:48

easier too, I guess. If you have the

10:50

power. Which

10:53

you know, Moore's law. So Moore's law

10:55

is kind of dense. But

10:57

you have to go with those. You used to be able to do

10:59

it on your own box, right? With a video card or whatever. And

11:02

now you need those miners. You

11:04

just kind of spit in your wheels unless you have free

11:06

power. Yeah. And

11:08

that's basically the incentives drive

11:11

people toward cheaper and cheaper

11:13

energy resources. Because

11:16

that's how you get an advantage in the

11:18

game of mining. But that has a

11:20

very positive externality for the

11:22

world because people figure out how to produce energy

11:24

more and more cheaply. And

11:26

the more cheaply you can produce energy, the

11:29

more wealth you create. Because energy is

11:32

the number one input to basically every

11:34

economic process. So to

11:36

make energy cheaper is

11:38

equivalent to making wealth per capita

11:40

more abundant. And

11:42

so even as the Bitcoin game

11:44

plays out, it's not just benefiting

11:47

Bitcoin and Bitcoin miners. It's benefiting

11:49

every economic process that uses

11:51

energy, which is every economic

11:54

process. Very

11:56

sure. Well, that's why I guess it took off

11:58

like in New York there. those cheap

12:00

energy rates and Iceland up there like

12:03

geothermal energy. Yeah.

12:07

I mean, honestly, if

12:09

the government really cared about making

12:12

energy cheaper, they would, I

12:14

mean, you can have an entire system on

12:16

your house to pay for on an average

12:18

house, maybe 30 grand, let's say,

12:21

for panels, battery, everything. If the

12:25

government and they wasted so much way more

12:27

money on everything else, if they gave installers

12:30

30 grand per house, let's say, or, you

12:32

know, they're lost. You could

12:34

solve the energy crisis overnight, but they don't, I

12:36

don't think they want to sell the energy crisis

12:39

because if they do, then where's the control, right?

12:41

That's why I think they want to switch everyone to electric vehicles

12:43

because it's way easier to control

12:45

the flow of electricity than it is

12:48

gasoline in terms of store it, save

12:50

it and that kind of stuff. So

12:54

yeah, if they really wanted

12:56

to be cheap and free, it would be. And, you

12:58

know, I was thinking today, my neighbor,

13:01

they rent in their house, there's no

13:04

insulation. They're

13:06

stupid and they run the AC all day, even

13:08

no one's home. Their power wheel wants to be

13:10

like five, six, $100 a month. Whereas mine, I

13:12

have like a $200 credit, you

13:15

know, because I have the panels, I have,

13:18

you know, better efficiency stuff

13:20

than insulation. So it's like the

13:22

rich get richer and the poor get poorer kind

13:24

of scenario because the landlord doesn't

13:26

care. He's not gonna put money into it. He just lets them

13:29

waste all their money on electricity and stuff.

13:33

I wish it wasn't like that, you know, the

13:35

more money you have, the more money you can save. But

13:37

if you don't have enough to even begin, it's like, where

13:40

do you even start? And especially with

13:42

this current situation, like, no

13:45

one can afford houses for some time home buyers. I

13:47

mean, heck, if I was coming to the market, this

13:49

is the first time home buyer right now, it would

13:51

have a difficult time. You know, unless

13:54

you have that generational wealth almost

13:56

now to be able to help your kids

13:58

out, it's like nearly so as

15:51

you need larger, more

15:53

data center-like setups to run

15:56

their own nodes, which would

15:58

then centralize. Bitcoin.

16:00

So basically, yeah, there were a lot

16:03

of wealthy Bitcoiners, a lot of wealthy

16:06

Bitcoin companies, a lot of

16:08

influential Bitcoiners really pushing for

16:10

this fork for larger

16:12

block sizes. And

16:14

individuals rejected it and

16:17

Bitcoin Cash, it ultimately did fork,

16:20

but Bitcoin Cash has collapsed in terms

16:22

of Bitcoin ever since. And so Bitcoin

16:24

Cash is basically a failed project and

16:28

Bitcoin has continued on. Yeah,

16:30

that's what I heard too, because the transaction

16:32

times and fees and stuff are a lot

16:34

higher with Bitcoin, right? It's like you could

16:37

buy a loaf of bread with a fraction

16:40

of Bitcoin, right? It's kind

16:42

of where Dogecoin and those kind of things come in, right? Yeah,

16:45

I mean, it's not so Bitcoin's

16:48

fees fluctuate a lot, depending

16:50

on demand, but the point

16:53

of Bitcoin's base layer is

16:56

to hold a fixed supply. Like it's

16:58

not meant to be fast settlement

17:01

money, it's meant to be fixed

17:03

supply money. And then

17:05

you can do different things on, say,

17:07

like layer two technologies, there's things like

17:09

Lightning Network and other

17:11

ones that are in development that allow you to

17:13

trade off some of

17:16

that security you get at layer one,

17:18

you're basically optimizing for security at layer

17:20

one. And then on layer two,

17:22

you could trade off some of that security to

17:24

get some additional transaction throughput. And

17:27

so that's the way I think

17:29

that'll work. And it's very similar

17:31

to a gold-based system, right?

17:33

Gold does not settle quickly, right? It's hard to

17:36

move physical gold. And you're not like carrying

17:38

your gold around going to the supermarket. Right.

17:42

But gold has a relatively fixed

17:44

supply, you know, not Bitcoin's

17:47

absolutely fixed, gold would just be relatively

17:49

fixed. And that's what gives it

17:52

the good store of value functionality.

17:56

It allows it to hold purchasing power over time. Whereas

17:58

a layer two gold. would be like

18:01

a goldback currency. And that obviously lets

18:03

you move gold very quickly, as

18:05

long as, well, we

18:07

don't have goldback currencies anymore, because people corrupt that

18:10

and destroy that. But when they did, when we

18:12

did have them,

18:14

that relationship worked, right? You have a

18:17

highly transactable layer two and a

18:20

very secure layer one.

18:23

And so this addresses both of the things you

18:25

want money to do, because you want money to

18:27

be able to express value across time and space.

18:31

So gold is good for holding value across

18:33

time, but hard to move across space. Currency

18:36

is the opposite, right? Currency is good for

18:38

moving value across space, but

18:41

ultimately not time, because, well,

18:43

people like to decouple currencies from gold

18:47

and print them. Yeah. Why do you think

18:49

they like to do that so much? Just to get more

18:51

out of control of loopholes and I

18:54

mean. It's just the will

18:56

to power, I think. It's the Nietzschean

18:58

will to power that everyone wants to

19:00

try and obtain purchasing power by any

19:02

means possible. It's

19:05

the reason we go to work. It's the reason

19:07

we save. It's the reason we plan.

19:09

It's the reason we buy tools. We

19:16

try to get more done with less effort. All

19:19

of these things give us more productivity,

19:22

which purchasing power is

19:24

basically stored productivity. So

19:27

if someone can figure out a

19:30

scheme where they'll call the central bank,

19:32

where you hold all of the gold

19:35

in one place and

19:38

get everyone to trust me, bro, that you're going

19:40

to hold the gold and manage

19:42

the money. And

19:45

then you can just print money and steal purchasing

19:47

power from them. So that

19:50

seems to be the reason. Do you

19:52

think Fort Knox is any gold in

19:54

there? There's a lot of theories that

19:57

say no rumors. No one's

19:59

been in there and like. Forever something. Yeah

20:01

over 50 years. It hasn't been audited. So

20:03

I Would say it's a

20:05

pretty bad sign. I Mean

20:08

if you don't want to out of your gold and

20:10

what do you turn behind exactly exactly? See

20:15

ya, it's definitely shady shady stuff going

20:17

on in the government and this yeah

20:19

I think the radical whole goes so

20:21

deep when you start touching on these

20:23

like upper layers like money Well who

20:25

controls it and why who controls them,

20:27

you know, you can just go Deep

20:30

deep and then you get

20:32

into conspiracy to own You

20:35

never know you don't want to demonize around people.

20:37

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20:40

theorists are like 300

20:43

and oh the past few years. Yeah But

20:50

yeah definitely yeah the what is money rabbit

20:52

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20:55

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20:59

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21:02

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21:04

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21:06

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21:08

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21:11

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21:14

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21:16

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21:18

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21:20

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24:02

time, but still have it. I

24:05

bought in at seven initially, like

24:07

a grand and then, you know,

24:09

fricking Elon blew it. It's

24:11

just the money dump. Or what did they call it?

24:13

Like a money scheme, Ponzi scheme on SNL. I'm like,

24:15

what the fuck, bro? And

24:19

then it went from 75 cents to

24:21

like, you know, eight or something. But

24:25

it's still got, it's actually going back up a little bit. So

24:27

I, he called doge Ponzi scheme.

24:29

I thought he was pro doge. I

24:32

know that's what confused everybody. Cause like, everyone

24:35

was like pumping out the, all S E one's

24:37

going to be on SNL. He's going to, he's

24:39

trying to talk about doge. Cause some people asked

24:41

him like, are you going to mention doge on

24:43

SNL? Like an interview seems like we'll see. Like

24:45

he knew that he was gonna, uh,

24:48

so then they started the first joke off when his

24:50

mom was on the show, his mother's day, I

24:53

think. And she goes, Oh,

24:55

what did you get me for? Mother's day. I

24:57

hope it's not doge going right

24:59

off the bat. Like this isn't a good

25:01

sign. And then some, they were doing an

25:04

interview with him, um, later

25:06

in the show. And he goes, or

25:09

a skit and it was about crypto

25:11

or something. I don't remember exactly. But he

25:13

goes, the person was

25:15

like, whoa, is it, is it

25:17

a scam? He goes, yeah, it's just like

25:19

a pump and dump scam or something like

25:21

that. Something like obnoxious to everyone

25:23

was like, what? You were

25:25

so pro doge going and now you're like basically

25:27

killed half of it. More than half of its

25:30

value. So it hasn't, hasn't recovered

25:32

too well since then. But um, at least

25:34

I'm not really under a lot or too

25:36

much. I just kind

25:38

of kind of leave it. That's the first

25:40

true thing I've heard him say about

25:43

dogecoin. Um, the

25:45

Bitcoin maximalist view is that all

25:48

everything's a pump and dump scheme. Basically.

25:52

Um, people are always

25:54

going to talk their own book and people are always

25:56

going to try to sell the thing once the hype

25:58

is at its high point. And

26:01

they want to sell it into something

26:03

else to a better asset. Right.

26:06

Typically money, right? Dollars

26:09

or gold or something. Was

26:11

there really the meme coin season now they're trying to,

26:14

well they're all coming out of the woodwork.

26:16

I don't know if it's the election. I

26:18

don't know. And I don't pay attention anymore. This

26:20

is having gone through so many of these cycles.

26:23

We just call them shit coin seasons,

26:26

right? People just start promoting all of

26:28

this bullshit to try and pump and

26:30

then dump. The

26:34

interesting thing about Bitcoin though, and again,

26:37

this is like, it's hard to understand because

26:39

people from

26:41

the outside think like, Oh, you just

26:44

hope Bitcoin goes up so you can

26:46

sell it for more dollars. But what

26:48

that fails to account for is that

26:50

Bitcoin is actually better money than the

26:53

dollar. So when you don't have an

26:55

asset to dump your pump into, you're

27:02

left with just a pump scheme, right? So

27:05

Bitcoin, it's not a pump and dump because

27:07

there's no better asset to dump it into.

27:09

It's literally the best money humanity has ever

27:11

invented. Gold

27:13

standard, if you will. Yeah. It's a digital

27:16

gold standard. So it's just a pump scheme

27:18

and that's why Bitcoin's price just goes up

27:20

and up and up.

27:23

But yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, you know,

27:25

it sounds too good to be true. So I

27:27

understand people's reticence to talk

27:30

about it or think about it, but

27:34

I just challenged people to look into it more deeply.

27:36

And that's why I named the show. What is money?

27:38

Cause like if you really asked that question and you

27:41

take it to its deepest answers,

27:45

one of the most useful answers to the

27:47

question is, well, money is

27:50

the properties that make good money, right? So the

27:53

asset that's most divisible,

27:55

durable, recognizable, portable, and scarce. That's

27:59

what money is. Whatever. best satisfies

28:01

those properties or criteria. That's

28:04

why gold became money. And that's why Bitcoin

28:06

is better than gold and better than dollars

28:08

because it more satisfactorily

28:12

fulfills those functions or those

28:14

properties rather than anything

28:16

else. Yeah, it really is

28:19

like the gold now, because what else can you

28:21

have that's more valuable, you know, that people want.

28:24

And it's always, I mean, that is

28:26

its utility, right? This is point maintaining

28:28

the wealth. Yeah,

28:31

exactly. Yeah, you just if you want to hold

28:33

purchasing power over time, you

28:36

want to hold something that has a very

28:38

inflexible supply. And Bitcoin

28:41

has a perfectly inflexible supply,

28:43

the supply does not change.

28:45

So therefore, it's

28:47

the best tool humans have ever

28:49

created for holding purchasing power

28:51

across time. Hmm. So

28:54

once the mining ends, what do

28:56

you think the future is of Bitcoin is just kind of

28:58

keep going up because it's now set and

29:00

standard as this, there's only this much forever?

29:03

Or do you think something next will come

29:05

along? Or? No, I

29:07

think, I

29:10

mean, I think Bitcoin is at least a once

29:12

in a 500 year innovation. So

29:15

I would expect that it will be

29:18

global money, probably before the last Bitcoin

29:20

is mined, and it will stay that

29:22

way for roughly 500 years.

29:27

And as far as how the Bitcoin mining

29:29

network is secured, after the last Bitcoin is

29:32

mined, it uses transaction

29:34

fees rather than newly mined Bitcoin.

29:36

So all of the activity

29:40

on the network, people spending

29:43

and receiving Bitcoin as those transaction fees

29:45

are paid, that's what is used to

29:47

fund the security of the network, rather

29:50

than the block subsidy right

29:52

now, which is what Bitcoin does for the first

29:55

130 ish

29:57

years of its life. It

30:00

uses newly minted Bitcoin to fund

30:03

to basically bootstrap its own security

30:06

But it slowly phases that out

30:08

and phases in transaction fees instead

30:12

So we ever find out exactly who came

30:14

up with this because it's kind of odd how like

30:16

all of a sudden It's a thing and it's like

30:18

the perfect solution It's

30:21

like a small miracle here You

30:24

know, it seems so almost suspect

30:26

but then again, it's panned out

30:29

Yeah, it is again. It sounds

30:31

too good to be true. It's another weird thing about

30:33

Bitcoin like it sounds too good to be true Yet

30:37

it is the most true thing we

30:39

have ever created in the sense that

30:42

it's unalterable Records right like

30:44

whatever is in that Bitcoin time chain is

30:48

Inarguable basically like it's it's written in

30:50

digital stone And

30:53

so no, we don't know who created it.

30:55

We know Satoshi Nakamoto, but we don't know

30:57

who that is And

31:00

this trips a lot of people up to because

31:02

people say oh, it was the NSA or it's

31:04

the CIA or whatever alphabet

31:06

agency And

31:09

you're like as a Bitcoiner you'd

31:11

say so what even

31:13

if they did create it They've created something

31:15

that they can't stop So

31:18

like even if the NSA created it They

31:20

created their own destruction in a way or they

31:23

created the destruction of the central bank at least

31:26

And the central bank is obviously a major

31:28

funding mechanism for all those alphabet letter agencies.

31:31

So Yeah,

31:33

I mean it it

31:36

would matter, you know again, this is kind of

31:38

like a flawed mental model because People

31:42

still think Bitcoin is like a company or

31:44

something, right? Like oh well someone created it

31:47

then they're just gonna control it or use

31:49

it to control people It's like that's not

31:51

what Bitcoin is Bitcoin's

31:54

more Analogous to

31:56

an internet protocol like it's something that's just

31:58

out there People

32:00

use it and decide what it is

32:02

through using it and

32:05

no one from the outside can unilaterally

32:07

change it No group no individual no

32:09

company no country even So

32:11

it's not a matter of who created it. What are they

32:13

gonna do with it? It's like well you do whatever you

32:15

want with it. It's like the English language, right? It's who

32:18

created English is like well, who cares who created

32:20

English? We all use it and we you know,

32:22

adjust it at the edges as we go, but

32:25

no one controls it yet. We all use it So

32:28

it's hard for people I think to get their head around that

32:32

Yeah, it's definitely and not something they really teach in

32:34

school. No, it's so

32:36

new And then it just

32:38

probably wouldn't want to teach it because what are

32:40

they actually teaching school at two schools? They

32:43

don't teach you about money. I'll tell you that much Why

32:46

is that? I mean why don't they don't even teach

32:48

you how to balance your checkbook anymore No, I knew

32:50

taxes or any of the hey you should start a

32:52

business because you can write all this off or otherwise

32:55

You can pay all this extra tax on top of

32:57

it. Why is it practical stuff?

32:59

Why do they say oh you need to go to college for

33:02

that and then pay even more money? It's

33:04

like This stuff isn't

33:06

rocket science. I mean just need someone to talk.

33:08

I mean, you probably learn all this stuff just

33:10

on the internet You know, I'm not a big

33:12

fan of like college or I don't know Mike.

33:14

I'm not sure what am I kids but Yeah,

33:17

two girls Yeah,

33:20

I mean I think you can if yours if

33:22

you have the drive I think you can do

33:24

most of this on your own now, you know,

33:26

you have the Resources I

33:28

guess some connections to obviously but yeah if

33:30

you have the passion I think a lot

33:32

of people can succeed on their own in

33:35

the government. I don't think they like that You know, they

33:37

want to be able to have everyone You

33:40

know Henry fording it and the assembly line of

33:42

the economy It

33:45

also just it just keeps people down right? I mean you can't

33:47

really get ahead of the system How

33:49

so is rules and wins unless like you

33:52

do get lucky and have like a really good job or something

33:55

Yeah, I just want to drive the war

33:57

machine of humanity into

33:59

just giving them a purpose of just your

34:02

whole life is working and that's you know

34:04

the American dream or whatever you know nine

34:06

to five job you know and then you

34:08

retire well your whole life's gone you know

34:10

stupid I mean and I think a lot

34:13

of the youth coming up or seeing that

34:15

you see all these people like I'm gonna

34:17

live in a van that was an SNL

34:19

skit it's came full

34:22

circle but yeah I

34:24

think that I think that people

34:26

living their actual lives I mean that forever

34:29

just do whatever you want but you

34:31

know and you obviously everyone needs to

34:33

contribute something to society to see it

34:36

move forward but just to be

34:38

able to have that flexibility and know that you know

34:40

there is more than just working in life and they

34:42

actually enjoy the time when I'm here and not be

34:46

so focused on money and

34:48

then Bitcoin totally I think frees people

34:50

from that if they can you

34:53

know yeah yeah

34:57

no I agree

35:00

it's I mean

35:02

we live a bitter pill

35:04

to swallow but we live on a tax farm right

35:08

like government is just a

35:10

corporation that harvest people's labor

35:13

through taxation and inflation

35:17

and the less people

35:19

understand that the better basically

35:23

so yeah I

35:26

hate to be the bearer of

35:28

bad news and I don't enjoy the bitter

35:30

pill either but don't

35:32

know what else to call it I mean look

35:35

at the big picture right and that's what

35:37

that's what it is I mean we're all

35:39

here to produce money for government yeah and

35:42

then hopefully they don't have the policies where

35:44

they just want to end us which it

35:46

seems like they want to nowadays but you

35:50

know all this crap food and stuff it's like

35:53

they want us to produce patch of an ale

35:55

or do they want us to buy well

35:58

when you die guess what They

36:00

tax that There

36:03

is an incentive for you to die and pass

36:05

half of your wealth onto your heirs and half

36:08

of your wealth on to the government So

36:12

yeah, I would say in general it's very Misaligned

36:16

incentives the relationship between

36:18

the individual and the state and

36:21

this is something that Bitcoin

36:23

is like this unplugging yourself

36:25

from the matrix moment opens

36:28

your eyes to You

36:30

know, I think most people grow up and they just think oh,

36:32

this is just the way things are And

36:35

I need to file these taxes and whatever and

36:37

the you know dead presidents on the money and

36:39

that's just the way it is That

36:42

must be there for a reason But

36:46

when you unplug from the matrix and

36:48

start seeing things through the eyes of Bitcoin you see

36:51

The state for the scam that it is and it's

36:53

not I don't think it should be that surprising by

36:55

the way When I look around

36:58

the world, I see a lot of scams a Lot

37:01

right public education public health public

37:03

this public that like they're all

37:05

scams Why would the king

37:08

financial system and money not be a scam?

37:13

Why would you believe anything else I don't know

37:16

it's it doesn't seem that shocking to me but

37:18

yet People

37:20

seem pretty shocked. We're starting to wake up but

37:22

to this stuff, you know, they're just especially

37:25

X, you know, I think that's where it comes

37:27

in really shines because You

37:29

can get raw information from people around the

37:31

world with different opinions you

37:34

know with lots of experience that You

37:37

know, they're just able to speak their mind and speak

37:39

freely and we've never really had this kind of freedom

37:41

I mean, yeah, baby that's been around since whatever, you

37:43

know, the 90s but to have a

37:46

platform that anyone can easily hop on See

37:49

a video talk to somebody You

37:52

know to a bunch you can have a room with

37:54

thousands of people, you know to be able to you

37:56

know You don't want them all talking at once but

37:58

you can enter interchanging ideas pretty easily.

38:01

And also the financial aspect of it on

38:04

there, and you can actually make, you know,

38:06

decent money. And if you're like

38:08

living in a third world country and you know,

38:10

somehow you get monetized, you know, that can be

38:12

a huge game changer because you know, 10

38:15

bucks for you for me is nothing, but

38:17

like, that's like their whole half of months

38:19

wage. So I think, I think it could

38:21

be utilized to help free

38:23

the world partially from the system. Just,

38:26

you know, being able to make a little bit of money

38:28

online. It

38:30

really changed some people's lives. Yeah.

38:32

And then especially if you can store that money in something

38:34

that can't be debased

38:37

and inflated away, right? You can

38:39

store that purchasing power and something

38:41

that works. So

38:44

let's talk about that. Let's talk X. How

38:48

did you get started on X and

38:50

then how did you become famous? I

38:52

know you mentioned the plain lady meme

38:55

earlier. You could tell us a little bit about that.

38:58

Yeah, sure. I mean, I don't like

39:00

it. So am I so fierce, I'm

39:03

just one of the guys with a bigger number. I

39:05

don't know. I started in the

39:08

end of, uh, I think October

39:10

of 22, I had

39:12

38 followers and someone I posted

39:14

on something and someone goes, who cares what you

39:16

think? You only have 38 followers. So like, ah, I

39:19

have a new goal. So I wanted

39:22

to get, you know, just have more influence, right?

39:24

It'll be like hard. Well, like my opinion does

39:26

matter. I have more followers than you. But,

39:29

um, you know, it just, it was, it was something

39:32

I was striving towards and I just doing it for

39:34

fun, you know, and I met interesting people, had a

39:36

good time. And then, you know,

39:38

I had a few viral moments, you know, this or

39:40

that, maybe you'll go viral, you pick a few thousand

39:42

followers, you're in there. And then,

39:44

um, you know, that whole plain lady thing,

39:47

Tiffany Gomez, the TMFIMR, that kind of helped

39:49

kind of launched me a little bit more.

39:51

I was already probably around a hundred at

39:53

that point, but, and then, I

39:56

don't know, the past few months I

39:58

got the Elgo was. really good for

40:00

me for a few months. And then

40:03

they changed it to keep morphing. But

40:06

a couple of months ago, I gained like

40:08

100,000 followers. I don't know, I switched to

40:10

like videos and stuff, mostly, a

40:12

lot of it, and that seemed to really work well. But

40:14

now it's all keep changing things. So

40:18

I don't know what's next, but you just gotta kind

40:20

of roll with it and see what works and change

40:22

your strategy stuff. But you know, I enjoy it. And

40:24

I have a full time job. But

40:26

yet, I try

40:28

to schedule things are in the day, you

40:31

know, check it occasionally. But then I get

40:33

all my do this at night. So

40:35

I'm on, I'm on x a

40:37

lot. But I do, I do like it.

40:39

And I met a lot of good people

40:41

and connections that I would have never normally

40:43

met. You know, I mean, people, people pay

40:46

me five bucks a month just to be

40:48

like in my crew. It's like, like,

40:50

if you think about like, if you're just starting this,

40:53

you're like, no, quiet. And this is what I thought,

40:55

like, who's gonna want to pay me five bucks a

40:57

month to be my friend, or whatever, you know, it's,

41:00

it's more like a tip thing, you know,

41:02

or but I have a good community of

41:04

I've made a good people and cool chat

41:06

and stuff like that. And next,

41:08

it's just like, kind of like Bitcoin, where it's just

41:10

kind of open, or whatever you want to use it

41:12

for, right? It's just a platform. So if

41:14

you just are on there posting memes, although it's

41:16

kind of boring, but you know, you want to

41:18

interact with people, you know, you

41:21

can make it what you want it to be,

41:23

right? There's no like, rules really,

41:25

as far as like, what you should or shouldn't

41:27

do. Like me personally,

41:29

I have chat rooms, and I have a really

41:32

great community of a few hundred

41:34

people in there. And you know, we all

41:36

get our children's backs and stuff like that. Or you can

41:39

just, you know, use it as

41:41

a tipping feature and have put really good news stories

41:43

out or whatever. And people like I appreciate this news,

41:45

I'll give you five bucks, whatever. So

41:48

and the interaction too, is what people like is

41:50

like, if you've ever had a small account and

41:52

then a bigger account comments on you, you're like,

41:55

oh, it's like, it's like your star

41:58

moment in the sky. I

42:00

got an account for me, whatever. So it's like that,

42:02

um, with bigger accounts, helping

42:04

smaller accounts. So I have fun. But

42:10

I loved you this whole time,

42:12

but I still don't make enough. So

42:15

I'm hoping crypto come in, right? What

42:20

was the deal? I saw the

42:22

plane lady, like getting meme-ified online,

42:24

but I was never familiar

42:27

with how it got started. But you said you had something

42:29

to do with that. Yeah.

42:32

I mean, the whole story came out probably a

42:34

month before I really kind of picked up on

42:36

it and it kind of was like a flash

42:38

in the pan initially. But

42:41

then I noticed some like, kind of

42:44

attractive. So I just, I

42:46

screen shot it was like one image of her

42:48

and like, where she's like pointing. And

42:50

then I, I don't know, I just kept posting

42:52

the same picture every day and every day it was getting,

42:55

like, you know, the impression wasn't like, what is going on

42:57

here? And then I, you know, I

42:59

found all the videos, I went with it. And then

43:01

someone made like a song out of it. And I

43:04

didn't even ask, you know, someone just randomly, I didn't

43:06

mean all this personally, just DM me a song. It

43:08

was like really good. I'm like, Oh, thanks. You make

43:10

part two. Um, and

43:13

it just kind of blew up. And then we

43:15

ended up meeting, not meeting,

43:17

but like connecting on X,

43:19

she got on X and, um, yeah,

43:22

so we, she actually describes me.

43:25

So it was just kind of a pretty cool,

43:27

like how it all came full circle. I am

43:29

married. It wasn't like a weird thing. Everyone thought

43:31

I wanted to like hook up with her and

43:33

like, uh, I'm not cheating on my wife, don't

43:35

worry. But, uh, it was just kind of

43:37

a, you know, this is actually, I'm married,

43:40

but you can still appreciate, you know, you

43:43

can look for don't touch. So that was,

43:45

that was one of the things. And, and

43:48

then, you know, videos kind

43:50

of took off for a little bit. So, uh,

43:52

just, it just, it's all over the place with

43:54

the algorithm, but yeah, clean lady,

43:57

I guess was my first like big viral

43:59

moment. And

44:01

what was she doing? She said she was like having

44:04

an argument on a light or something. Like how

44:06

did they even become a meme? She

44:09

had an altercation with somebody in the back and

44:12

then when she was leaving she was

44:14

so mad she was saying this mother

44:16

effort is not real. You can either believe

44:18

it or not, this mother effort is

44:20

not real and you can either die on a

44:23

plane or whatever but I'm leaving and so everyone's

44:25

like, everyone came up with

44:27

all these random theories. Like it was a lizard

44:29

person, I don't know what that could mean. And

44:32

then somehow Carrot Top was involved in all

44:34

this. No idea. You know like

44:36

that immediate guy in the 90s, like he was

44:38

on the plane I guess. So like there was

44:40

some random interview with him and he made

44:42

all this weird stuff up. It wasn't even happening but

44:45

um and then I don't know, he was just kind of hyped up

44:47

and no one and then she disappeared knowing who she was. So it

44:50

was just like a big mystery and you

44:52

know there's this hot chick and

44:54

you know and and she's saying these crazy

44:57

things and there's lizards in the planes and like no

44:59

one knew what was going on. So that

45:01

it just kind of turned into a meme at that

45:03

point and everyone was just getting

45:05

in on it. It was just fun when

45:07

you could have like a moment like

45:10

that when everyone kind of like does

45:12

like builds upon it and it almost

45:14

makes its own little momentum. So

45:17

it was like the mystery

45:19

driving like some conspiracy theory

45:22

type reaction in a way.

45:24

Right yeah and then you

45:26

know you get everyone project trying

45:28

to figure it out and you know was it

45:31

really lizards? Was it aliens? And

45:33

then another video came out of the police footage

45:36

and you know it raised more questions than

45:38

answers and then you know then

45:40

you have people you know with

45:42

all these wild speculations that I

45:45

don't know it was just it just kind of ran with

45:47

it. It just kind of took on its own form right

45:51

and I was just kind of there

45:56

but it was just it worked and I was just

45:58

going with it. sick of it,

46:00

but more people didn't get sick of it than dead. I've

46:05

seen people be like, I stopped following that guy

46:07

when he was pumping that chick for two weeks

46:09

straight. Sorry, you're

46:12

getting millions of refreshments every day on one

46:14

image, you do the same thing as I

46:16

showed up. Yeah, it just kind of

46:18

took off. But it's

46:20

all things viral, are they fade

46:22

away? Then you have

46:24

to come up with something new. What's

46:28

the deal with memes? Why

46:30

are they so powerful? What

46:32

is the virality thing?

46:35

What's your read on this? I mean,

46:38

Richard Dawkins talked about memes in

46:40

the 1970s, but I don't think it became part

46:43

of our mainstream vernacular until

46:45

the age of the internet. So what,

46:48

in your estimation, is the deal

46:50

with memes? Maybe

46:52

just combines like this

46:55

visual and audio, if you will, but

46:57

the text on it, it's

46:59

kind of like, maybe like a baseball

47:01

card or something like, Oh, check this guy who's cool. Or

47:05

like, comic almost,

47:07

you know, but it gets the message

47:09

across like, in

47:11

as minimal amount of vocabulary as possible,

47:13

usually, you know, you see the image,

47:16

you already know what the image means, because you've seen

47:18

100 times, that's the base guy or

47:20

the Pepe or whatever it is. And then

47:23

they tag this thing out. And

47:25

that's like, you know, it's just instantly

47:27

recognizable, I think people like kind

47:30

of tie in with like,

47:33

you know, images stand out more for

47:35

most people than words. So the combination of

47:37

two of them just makes

47:40

them memorable. And they're funny. Everyone

47:42

makes them now. So how

47:46

are they? Who's making these? Are

47:48

these just anyone on the internet is

47:50

just making these things up. And some of them become popular and

47:52

some don't are people using tools to make these

47:55

like, where are these like, creation tools

47:57

or you can templates

48:00

and stuff but I mean most of the

48:02

memers if you will they just kind of

48:04

make their own you know it's like I

48:07

guess you're good in the Photoshop something but

48:09

although maybe

48:11

AI versions and put you know text

48:14

on top of it that kind of thing so

48:16

there's a lot of different ways to do it but

48:19

I think the original like me

48:21

or guys are just making them I

48:23

don't understand how some go out on some

48:25

though because most of them are ridiculous stupid

48:29

like there was a prog

48:32

guys and stuff but it

48:35

doesn't seem to come up and

48:37

there's a whole like backstory behind memes and stuff too

48:39

right like there's some website I don't know what it

48:41

is but it'll like go through like oh

48:44

this guy uploaded it here and this guy reposts it

48:47

so they all have like some kind of

48:49

a history though there

48:52

was a there was a site

48:56

that I posted this

48:58

controversial image of like a woman with

49:01

these ghost babies behind her and I just said

49:03

this this image makes me sad because

49:06

you know in my eyes I'm like it

49:08

you know also representing children that she

49:10

didn't have and but I

49:12

didn't put it up I try to like word things

49:15

to like not really take aside just kind of to

49:17

be you know troll to get you know

49:19

people's you know what how they feel about

49:21

it and then I don't get

49:23

like 30 million views in this stupid image and

49:26

and then people were attacking me for being I'm like

49:28

I didn't say anything like you guys are putting words

49:31

on my mouth you know I just

49:33

said this makes me sad why does it make you sad

49:35

you don't like for sure I'm like get out of here

49:37

like it just made me personally feel because I don't

49:40

agree with it you know but

49:43

there's a whole tracking thing where it shows my I

49:46

posted it and then I had all this history in my day

49:48

you don't even know this stuff is out there

49:50

people were keeping track all this weird stuff I

49:53

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49:55

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52:01

What is it about people

52:03

then like you said

52:05

people attacking you what what is

52:07

it about maybe this is

52:09

an ex thing or maybe it's the internet more broadly but.

52:14

People willing to just talk shit online

52:16

in a way they're not willing to

52:18

talk shit in person is this because

52:20

I guess

52:24

guessing like if you say sometimes

52:26

people say things to me online that if they said to my

52:28

face. I would

52:30

knock them out cold so I'm

52:33

guessing it's because they don't face

52:35

the threat of physical violence when they say

52:37

something on Twitter that they would face if

52:39

they said something to someone in person is

52:41

that why people change their the quality of

52:44

their discourse online versus in person. I

52:46

think you're right because if

52:49

there's no consequences to you saying it, why

52:51

would why not just actually say and show

52:53

who you are. A lot of people's true

52:55

colors come out and like it was a

52:57

nasty. But a lot

52:59

of people don't even I think are just socially

53:02

stupid on here where they they don't put two

53:04

and two together they think this is like a

53:06

chatbot or something and none of these people are

53:08

real. It's like every one of

53:10

these people are real and every comment you're

53:12

making they can read. So

53:16

like people I don't think they think

53:18

it through, especially younger people who don't

53:22

have a full grasp on it. But

53:24

I think once you realize that most

53:27

people just say just

53:30

mean things out of their heart and just just ignore

53:32

a lot of them, you know, and

53:35

that's the only way to deal with them really because if

53:37

you start interacting with these people that are just shines a

53:39

light on it, right? And then everyone see you commenting on

53:41

it. And especially if I do it like there's

53:43

so many times where people post these noxious things

53:45

about me or say something stupid, I'm like, that's

53:48

not even right. But I know if I comment or

53:50

like it or anything, then So

53:53

I just ignore it. Try try to at least unless

53:55

they really took me off. like,

54:01

like this whole boxing thing, I was back a

54:03

few days ago, and I was just, I

54:06

had a few drinks. And I found out like

54:08

a lot of the people who did it, and

54:10

I was just like, calling

54:13

them all these names and stuff

54:15

and making like posts about it. And,

54:17

and I ended up getting a bundle of

54:19

sex, you know, a cigarette

54:23

and I didn't want to anger

54:25

the guys, I'll go guys too

54:27

much. Yeah, it's easy to like,

54:29

be able to,

54:31

it's hard to be able to like, pull that

54:34

back. And a lot

54:36

of people don't, they don't care. They're just like,

54:38

and it's some kind of

54:40

a filter. But some people just don't give

54:42

a crap. Okay. And

54:45

you can tell because their accounts aren't very big, because

54:47

all they do is just talk crap all the time.

54:49

Why grow? I just want to

54:51

get my voice out like no one's gonna hear you. So you

54:53

have to alter your message.

54:55

And that's the thing about x is like, if you

54:58

want to be a blabber mouth and say whatever you

55:00

want, go ahead. But you're not gonna grow

55:02

like you need to be articulate

55:04

about it, you know, and say it in a

55:06

different way. It doesn't get your account flagged or

55:08

something by saying words you probably

55:10

shouldn't. So yeah. But

55:13

a lot of people won't get that. And

55:15

they're like, yes, free speech suppression. Like you

55:17

can still say it. Go ahead. No

55:20

one will see you say it. So

55:22

that's interesting. You say it's interesting. You

55:25

say that because my

55:27

perception is something like it seems

55:31

like those who maybe don't have

55:33

as large of a following or

55:35

an account act

55:38

out of jealousy towards those that

55:40

do they'll often just try. Have

55:42

you heard that the I

55:45

don't know what this is the allegory, I guess

55:47

of the crabs in the boiling pot, where

55:49

like there's a bunch of crabs and water that's starting

55:51

to boil. And you know, one of the crabs can

55:53

kind of climb up on top and start to make

55:55

his way out. And it doesn't

55:58

really affect any of the other crabs if one them

56:00

escapes, you know, one of them would live and the

56:02

rest of them would stay in there. But the crabs

56:04

in the boiling water will just pull, they always pull

56:06

the one back into the boiling water. They

56:09

just, you know, like misery loves company, I guess,

56:11

type of thing. And it seems

56:13

like there's some people

56:15

that just act out of,

56:17

I don't

56:19

know what else to call it, jealousy or

56:21

resentment, that someone might

56:24

be a bigger account than them.

56:26

So they, since they don't

56:29

have that level of attention that they seek, they

56:31

seek getting attention by talking shit

56:33

to a larger account. Is

56:36

that something you see at work? Yeah,

56:39

I mean, it's, it's all over the place.

56:42

People always, and

56:44

you don't know their intentions. Sometimes people are just dicks,

56:46

but there's definitely,

56:49

uh, it definitely brings out the worst

56:51

of people in other times. And you know,

56:53

the bigger you get, the more attention you get, the more hate you

56:55

get. So I haven't really gotten

56:57

a whole lot, honestly, like I try to

57:00

keep my stuff pretty in control. I don't

57:02

still get my message going across, but like, I try

57:04

not to interact with the trolls

57:06

and do that kind of behavior

57:08

because it just doesn't help your account at

57:10

all. I mean, if

57:12

that's what you're in doing, but

57:15

yeah, it's, and it's, like

57:17

I said earlier, it's an open platform, which however

57:19

you want to use it. So that's, that's your

57:22

thing. But, um, but yeah,

57:24

I don't know if it's just purely, purely

57:26

jealousy because I'm getting there's so many different

57:28

social aspects that people on here, I mean,

57:31

half of them are like, hi,

57:33

they're drinking or like they have

57:35

emotional issues and they don't know

57:37

how to interact. I've

57:40

had fun, like gambit on here, you know, some people

57:42

like freak out at night. What the heck's wrong with

57:44

you? And you know, like, leave the chat and the

57:47

next day, like, I'm sorry. You know, it's

57:49

like over and over. I'm like, dude, you're

57:51

not mentally well. So,

57:54

you know, so you have to deal with those kinds of people

57:56

and, you know, how you react

57:59

to them. tells people a lot about

58:01

you. So I always kind of give

58:03

people the benefit of that would be like, they must be going

58:05

through something, you know, but it's

58:07

so much easier when a lot of people are just

58:09

getting out of here. So just

58:12

depends how you want to run your, run

58:14

your thing. Yeah. Yeah. The reason

58:16

I think it's jealousy driven is because I

58:18

usually see it from smaller

58:20

accounts towards larger accounts almost always.

58:24

So I just assumed it's like, Oh, these

58:26

smaller accounts, it's

58:29

like the little guy that picks a fight with

58:31

a big guy at the bar or something like

58:33

he's trying to, you know, show off and look

58:35

at what I can do. But

58:39

yeah, I don't know. I've had an incredible

58:41

amount of shit talked about me online and

58:43

it's just everything. I don't

58:45

know what it is. And

58:48

these things come out of left field. You're like, what, who

58:50

are you? Like, what kind of beef do you have? And

58:52

everyone has such thin skin now and they can't

58:54

take, they get bought over over like everything. They

58:58

don't forget, you know, all that guy posted

59:00

something I didn't agree with three months ago.

59:02

You should, you should see all the

59:04

lists. I was on one of those, like kill this guy, paddle

59:06

alert. I'm like, I didn't do

59:08

any of that stuff. What the heck? I'm anti all

59:10

that. And I'm like, you know, I should

59:12

miss a bit word, but, um, it's

59:16

just crazy. The evilness of people,

59:18

you know, what they want, what they'll do on

59:20

here. But yeah, they make, they'll

59:22

make lists and they'll call

59:24

the list like mega

59:27

morons or something, Don. And then they'll

59:30

invite, their buddies to the lists and

59:32

then, you know, so then they're like, Oh, anyone need

59:34

post anti, whatever you don't like, put them on the

59:36

list. So they'll put them on these lists.

59:39

And like I said, there's another list of nasty and

59:43

then they'll just like harass you. Like,

59:45

all right, tonight we're going to harass this list.

59:47

And then they'll go in there and they'll mass

59:49

report a post, you know, like if

59:51

you have enough, um, if

59:53

you're bigger, if you have enough negatives, like,

59:56

like every time we get a report on your post,

59:59

it's like negative. 20 like

1:00:01

impression levels or whatever it's

1:00:03

called. And like, you get enough

1:00:05

of those and it'll flag like the post and then

1:00:07

it'll pull down your account. And like,

1:00:09

you don't even know, you know, like, they'll try

1:00:12

to flag things as sensitive. You

1:00:14

know, so like, I put a gift up or something

1:00:16

was just a random gift. People

1:00:18

mass reported it like months later. And

1:00:21

then it gets flagged as sensitive. And when it's

1:00:23

flagged as sensitive, it affects your account. And

1:00:26

then eventually, you're

1:00:28

like, what is going on with my account? I'm not getting

1:00:30

any reach. And it's because six months

1:00:33

ago, someone did this to your account, and

1:00:35

you can't even find it unless you have

1:00:37

tools and stuff. So it's just they

1:00:39

weaponized the list. So yeah,

1:00:41

it just brings up the worst

1:00:43

of people sometimes to think like that's gonna do

1:00:45

anything. Like, why would you harass

1:00:48

someone like that? I don't know.

1:00:50

Like, you're not gonna know one's even the

1:00:52

person you're harassing is even gonna know is

1:00:54

you necessarily right? Yeah, it's just like, well,

1:00:58

I just have

1:01:00

a hard time putting

1:01:03

myself in the shoes of someone

1:01:05

that like does that. They

1:01:08

spend their time and energy doing things like

1:01:10

that. I could never imagine my

1:01:13

wildest dreams where I'm like putting on my

1:01:15

to do list like, go

1:01:17

harass social media account

1:01:19

or mass report social media account, because I

1:01:21

don't like them or agree with them. It's

1:01:24

like, what is that? That's the most non

1:01:26

productive, waste of time

1:01:28

thing. They don't have a

1:01:33

lot of these guys. They're living

1:01:35

on their mom's basin or something. I

1:01:37

don't know. Yeah, the basement dweller. That's

1:01:39

the stereotype often here. It's the basement

1:01:41

dweller. Yeah, I mean, you got I

1:01:44

mean, that's another pandemic to itself is these kids

1:01:46

now that are growing up in their parents' basements.

1:01:49

And they're now moving out and they're 30. And they work

1:01:51

at McDonald's once a week. And you know,

1:01:54

there's no like, casa shumraps or these

1:01:56

guys and like, just play video games

1:01:59

all day. just went out of your

1:02:01

pizza and not have to work. Yeah,

1:02:04

maybe when you're 12, that sounds good. But

1:02:06

this is like their life. So

1:02:09

many people that have kids and

1:02:11

they pander them and they let

1:02:14

them stay in their house. They're like practically

1:02:17

married, man. Like it's still living at home. Like what the

1:02:19

heck? Why would you let your kids do that? Yeah. So

1:02:22

you think it's maybe a testosterone deficit then

1:02:24

or a masculinity deficit that we see so

1:02:26

much resentment and jealous

1:02:29

behavior online? Yeah,

1:02:31

well, if someone tries to

1:02:33

stand up and say, no, this isn't how I

1:02:35

was brought up. I'm a Gen Xer and like,

1:02:38

if someone was gay, you'd call them gay. And

1:02:41

like you call people out and it was like

1:02:43

maybe harsh, I guess, if you will, if you

1:02:45

look at it from modern times, but it was

1:02:47

just what you did back then. And everyone, you

1:02:49

know, it was more like tough love. And

1:02:52

everyone's like a pansy because they, then

1:02:54

no one does it anymore. And if you speak loudly against it,

1:02:56

you'd be like, oh, this is how I grew up. Then you're

1:02:58

going to get out of taters that, you

1:03:01

know, they were born like 10 years ago and they like

1:03:03

20 or whatever. And they just, they don't get

1:03:05

it because they were more than a different generation. But

1:03:08

yeah, I speak my mind and I'll, you know,

1:03:10

call something out if I think it's wrong. You

1:03:12

know, I, you know, there's a rainbow

1:03:15

flags forcing me to go into my kid's

1:03:17

school if they're over the doorway and

1:03:19

we have to go through them. I'm going to pull my cat

1:03:21

out of school. You know, it's just like, he's

1:03:23

saying that. It's like, how could you not be inclusive?

1:03:26

Because I don't believe it. And it's against what I

1:03:28

believe. You go ahead and believe your thing, you

1:03:30

know, but don't make me force you down my throat. I

1:03:32

mean, like if you say something like that, you can be

1:03:34

a friend, like, like my whole neighborhood, like it doesn't like

1:03:37

me because I speak my mind and like,

1:03:40

and say that's not okay when it's not socially

1:03:42

acceptable to do that. So yeah, if you, if

1:03:44

you do that and you have any kind of

1:03:46

masculinity people try to harass you and take your, take

1:03:48

your message down, get you fired

1:03:51

or box you or whatever they can. And

1:03:54

it's a nasty community. I mean, a lot of these people

1:03:56

are already like, so they

1:03:58

just will. They have this

1:04:00

anger, a lot of them, and they just, I

1:04:03

don't know, it's just, it's not healthy. And

1:04:05

then they've been fed this since school, you know?

1:04:08

Yeah. Resentment and

1:04:10

hatefulness and like, oh, you're, you know,

1:04:13

a waste of pressure. I'm just glowing. It's

1:04:15

all very speeding. And I

1:04:18

can go on for a while. I

1:04:21

don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Where do you

1:04:23

want to go with this? The inclusivity thing is

1:04:26

truly ridiculous. It was like, what do you

1:04:28

mean? We're going to include everyone and everything.

1:04:30

It's like, no, that's ridiculous. Like if

1:04:33

I'm going to go watch a basketball game,

1:04:35

I hope we've excluded all the shitty basketball

1:04:37

players and there's only good basketball players on

1:04:39

the court. If I go into a corporate

1:04:41

office to meet with the C-suite, I hope

1:04:43

you've excluded all the idiots and I'm going

1:04:45

to meet with the smart people. Like

1:04:48

I want the world to be exclusionary. If I

1:04:50

go to a nice gentleman's

1:04:53

nightclub or lounge or something, I hope they've excluded

1:04:55

all the riffraff, you know? I hope there's good

1:04:57

quality people in there. And

1:05:00

so this idea of, you know,

1:05:02

participation trophy, everyone and everyone wins

1:05:04

and everything's inclusionary is just, it's

1:05:06

utter nonsense. It's an attack on

1:05:09

excellence. And that

1:05:11

does not work for me. Like I want a

1:05:14

world where people are excellent at what they do.

1:05:16

And I want a world where we celebrate people

1:05:18

being excellent at what they do. And

1:05:20

to try and invert that. It's like almost

1:05:22

intentional. Yeah. Right. Like they, they're trying to

1:05:24

like undermine society by saying everyone's good. Everyone's

1:05:26

great. You're going to get your feelings

1:05:29

hurt, butter crop, just suck it up. I know that's the

1:05:31

world I grew up in and you got

1:05:33

to get used to not, you know, even pandered

1:05:35

everyone like that when they're younger and then just

1:05:37

their mind gets reprogrammed like that. And that's how

1:05:40

they are now. And it's almost impossible to

1:05:42

change these people's minds. Um,

1:05:44

but yeah, it's, it's sad and it's

1:05:46

only getting worse, you know? I

1:05:50

don't want my kids in these schools. We

1:05:52

were at Miami, uh, swim week this

1:05:55

weekend, watching some of the, the swimsuit

1:05:57

runway shows and a

1:05:59

lot. of these designers were

1:06:02

plugging in the super

1:06:04

fat, ugly swimwear models.

1:06:07

Why? It's like

1:06:09

they show that all these beautiful women would come

1:06:11

and do the thing and then they'd, every now

1:06:13

and then they'd have one big fat woman walk

1:06:15

out there and I'm like, why, why, why are

1:06:17

we doing this? Why? And

1:06:20

you could feel the energy of the room go down,

1:06:22

right? Like the energy's up. Everyone's

1:06:24

enjoying these beautiful women. And there were also men,

1:06:27

there were fit men walking around. You know what

1:06:29

they didn't have though? Fat guys.

1:06:32

There were no fat guys. It's only

1:06:34

fit dudes, women,

1:06:37

but then they'd plug in the fat women occasionally. And it's

1:06:39

like, why are we doing this? What

1:06:41

is this weird? What

1:06:43

is this? It's some kind of mental sickness. I

1:06:45

don't know. I don't

1:06:48

know where it's coming from, but no one

1:06:50

appreciates it. No one in the room appreciated

1:06:52

it. No one like it. I can't imagine

1:06:54

the person up there would appreciate it. I

1:06:56

don't want to be the one fat person

1:06:58

hanging out with all the like fit people.

1:07:01

I, well, that doesn't, that can't feel good.

1:07:03

Right. I mean, why would they volunteer? Maybe

1:07:05

they were forced to know it. Yeah.

1:07:08

Yeah. No one wants to see that stuff. And I don't

1:07:11

understand why we pander to it and go

1:07:13

with this inclusionary of everybody in like all

1:07:15

these boxes. Like you look at like, what

1:07:18

was it? The, what

1:07:20

was that 90 store J

1:07:22

crew or one of those that like, they

1:07:24

always have like the attractive models on, on

1:07:27

the not that picture.

1:07:29

And now it's like fat chicks.

1:07:33

Like who wants this? Even like

1:07:35

the Victoria secret and that stuff they have like trans on

1:07:37

there. And I was like, who wants

1:07:39

to see this? Isn't he a woman? Like

1:07:42

real guys, guys that are guys, like

1:07:45

they don't want that. That's the last thing

1:07:47

they want. And it turns them off right away. Like

1:07:50

any guy I know does not appreciate

1:07:52

that stuff. But I

1:07:54

get the 1% of these people, I get the loudest mouths

1:07:57

and they get the have their way and

1:07:59

all this stuff. It's almost like the

1:08:01

whole system is just designed to feminize

1:08:04

everyone so that like another power

1:08:06

can take over because they're so

1:08:08

like weak, right? Like, like the

1:08:10

Roman Coliseum is just giving the games

1:08:12

to be happy. Yeah,

1:08:15

maybe the pendulum has just

1:08:17

swung too far in a

1:08:19

way where yeah, ancient Rome,

1:08:21

we had like no concern

1:08:23

for minorities or victims or

1:08:25

the less fortunate or whatever.

1:08:27

But now we're giving

1:08:30

too much concern, right? Like, oh, well, if you're

1:08:32

fat and out of shape, you still need a

1:08:34

place on the runway model tour. It's like, no,

1:08:36

you don't like go get in shape.

1:08:38

You want to be there like that's there

1:08:41

literally modeling that shape. That's like

1:08:43

that's like considered like hateful speech.

1:08:45

That's bullshit. How is that? It's

1:08:47

fucking bullshit. Anyone can get in

1:08:49

shape. Sorry, you don't like it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone

1:08:52

can get smarter. Anyone can get in better

1:08:54

shape. Anyone can become

1:08:56

more financially successful like you

1:09:00

you can change yourself. That is one of

1:09:02

the most important things about

1:09:04

being human that you can take control of

1:09:06

your life and change the direction of your

1:09:08

life through your conscious efforts. They

1:09:11

just want you in the lane and you know,

1:09:14

working making that tax money, right? So you don't,

1:09:16

they just want to keep you miserable

1:09:19

or happy and miserable at the same

1:09:21

time and tell you while you're being

1:09:23

miserable, you should be happy. That's really what it is,

1:09:25

right? I mean, how can you be happy? Yeah.

1:09:28

I mean, some of you can't even, you know,

1:09:30

we're supposed to accommodate these people on airplanes and

1:09:32

stuff. Why should I pay more? You

1:09:34

should pay more for an air seat. Not me. We need

1:09:37

two seats on an airplane. Why do I have to make pay

1:09:39

more so you can sit next to me? You should

1:09:42

have your own double occupancy

1:09:44

seat. I don't know.

1:09:47

But you say stuff like that and people get

1:09:49

it hateful. They get the tacky for being, you

1:09:51

know, that full break or whatever. I'm sorry.

1:09:55

I'm just a realist. Call it how

1:09:57

I see it. Right?

1:09:59

Yeah. It's not phobia.

1:10:01

That's for sure. It's just I'm

1:10:03

not gonna celebrate Inferiority,

1:10:07

I'm just not gonna do it. Why would I do

1:10:09

that? Like I'm not gonna give my kids participation trophies

1:10:11

I'm not gonna tell them they did a good job

1:10:13

if they did a bad job, you know

1:10:15

I'm not gonna say it's okay if they make bad

1:10:17

grades. I'm not gonna say it's okay if they suck

1:10:19

at sports I'm not I'm not gonna do that. I'm

1:10:22

gonna tell them the truth, right? All

1:10:24

right, you did good at this or you did not do good at

1:10:26

this That's that's the thing

1:10:28

you hit the nail on the head there the

1:10:30

truth what is truth now There is

1:10:32

no absolute truth anymore anyone anyone's mind.

1:10:34

It's all my reality, right? So if

1:10:37

your reality is old, that's beautiful Then

1:10:39

it everyone else must pander to that

1:10:42

your mental condition thinking that like your

1:10:44

reality is the only reality Yet

1:10:47

there is only one reality. It's not yours Yeah,

1:10:49

the reality right and

1:10:51

then once we start making exceptions

1:10:54

for like these mental ridiculous conditions

1:10:57

when I Disciplined slope

1:10:59

or no, it doesn't get better. Are you and these

1:11:01

people are? It's

1:11:03

not gonna I don't

1:11:05

know. It's not gonna improve anything. I guess

1:11:07

no, it's not and this is what it's

1:11:10

crazy that Is degenerated this

1:11:12

far because even? Toddlers

1:11:15

know this is BS, right? Like if

1:11:18

one kid tries to force other kids

1:11:20

to pretend He is a helicopter or

1:11:22

something and the kids don't want to

1:11:24

pretend then the kids aren't gonna pretend But

1:11:27

we've degenerated in such a way that

1:11:29

one crazy person

1:11:32

with some weird self-conception of

1:11:34

their gender or whatever is Now

1:11:37

trying to impose that self-conception on

1:11:40

others Yeah, and it's

1:11:42

like no you can ask me respectfully to

1:11:44

call you a helicopter Maybe I will maybe

1:11:46

I won't but you can't coerce me into

1:11:49

doing it because that's not

1:11:51

how a free society works Right.

1:11:53

They want us to know my pronouns are

1:11:56

not actual that song that one person made

1:11:58

it's like I'm not

1:12:00

going to call you them. I'm not going

1:12:02

to pin them to your delusion. I think that's

1:12:04

where a lot of the hate comes from, right?

1:12:06

Because everyone's, especially, you can't even say these things

1:12:09

on like Facebook or anything anymore. You know,

1:12:11

you get canceled right away. Oh,

1:12:14

really? That's actually nice. Yeah,

1:12:17

you'll be labeled like a, this

1:12:19

video probably flagged as like hate or something.

1:12:22

I don't know. One of the best. Now

1:12:25

we can redo it. One of the best. One

1:12:29

of the best memes I've seen on that topic

1:12:33

was the. Man

1:12:37

who identifies as a cyclist wins Tour

1:12:39

de France and it shows us how

1:12:41

far are we smoking everybody? Basically

1:12:45

what it is. Yeah, I

1:12:47

don't know. I'm just I'm just on board

1:12:49

with common sense. I'm not trying to offend

1:12:51

anyone or exclude people or say you're bad

1:12:53

or whatever. If you want to be a

1:12:55

motorcycle, go be one in the corner. I

1:12:58

don't have to call you a motorcycle though. And don't get on my

1:13:00

face. You might make me accept you as one

1:13:03

because you're not. It's

1:13:05

just it's just common sense.

1:13:07

I don't know. It's not common

1:13:09

anymore. Increasingly

1:13:12

uncommon indeed. I

1:13:15

heard this from someone, a business

1:13:17

owner. I was I

1:13:19

was doing something that on

1:13:21

their computer system. And she said she had

1:13:24

a really hard time finding anybody because everyone.

1:13:28

It is so hard to

1:13:30

get along with the personality thing. She's

1:13:33

like the job here is it's not that hard.

1:13:35

This is the mess with the marketing thing and

1:13:38

anyone need to learn to do it. But

1:13:41

it's impossible to find people who are

1:13:44

mentally there or get along with others

1:13:46

now. And like the turnover

1:13:48

rate is pretty high

1:13:50

in this place because lately they just haven't

1:13:53

been able to get anybody good. It's like,

1:13:56

I don't know. So my my guess my point is that I think

1:13:59

your personality. And how you can interact

1:14:01

with the people is almost more

1:14:03

important than your degree, right? Because

1:14:06

if you can't get along with anyone, then what's the point? So

1:14:09

you can have someone who's maybe not the brightest

1:14:11

bulb in the shed or tool in the shed,

1:14:13

but it makes sense. Sharpest

1:14:15

tool in the shadow. But they, you

1:14:17

know, they are really

1:14:19

good people and everyone likes them. And they

1:14:22

help build the team, I guess,

1:14:24

if you will, and kind of

1:14:26

the glue that helps knit it

1:14:28

together. So I don't

1:14:31

know where I was going with that, but well,

1:14:33

no, I mean, well,

1:14:36

is it any surprise that we don't

1:14:38

have goodness when

1:14:40

we're not celebrating goodness? I mean,

1:14:43

people aren't going to be good at their job. Well, no

1:14:45

wonder they're not rewarded for being good at their job. Everyone

1:14:48

gets the same reward no matter what. So like, why would

1:14:51

I try to be good? Right? Like

1:14:53

socialism, right? Like, Oh, everyone's just going to get

1:14:55

the same thing. There's no motivation to do any

1:14:57

better. Exactly. Yeah. I

1:15:01

don't know. It's very

1:15:04

crazy to me that we're flirting with these ideas

1:15:06

again. It's like, how many times do we have

1:15:09

to learn this lesson? People

1:15:11

are different. We should celebrate our

1:15:13

differences. We should reward

1:15:16

people that excel in different domains because then

1:15:18

we all get to benefit from their excellence.

1:15:20

Right. If Michael Jordan

1:15:22

is really good at basketball. Great. We

1:15:25

all get to watch him play basketball and enjoy that. And

1:15:28

if someone's really good at building cars, well

1:15:30

then great. You know, Elon gets to be great at

1:15:32

building cars or going to space or whatever the thing

1:15:34

is. And we all get to benefit from that. We

1:15:37

don't need to try to equalize everyone. Right. We

1:15:40

don't need to try to make sure that Michael Jordan can build cars and

1:15:42

Elon can play basketball. Like it's not, it's not how the world works. We

1:15:45

should celebrate and embrace our diversity

1:15:47

of skills and know how and

1:15:50

all of these things and

1:15:52

be real. It's just a tool to divide

1:15:54

us. Right. Put these false

1:15:56

promises in like everyone should be equal and

1:15:59

perfectly good. That's not how all

1:16:01

the community has ever worked. You know, it's

1:16:03

not, I'm sorry. I mean, just the fact

1:16:05

of reality, you know, there's different people, there's,

1:16:08

um, some are better things than others and they,

1:16:10

not everyone can be the same. So why try

1:16:12

to like give trophies out? I don't know. I

1:16:15

think you just got the tough love. And I think what

1:16:17

it is is a lot of the, maybe

1:16:20

Gen Xers that were picked on and

1:16:22

stuff when they were kids, like

1:16:24

they didn't want that to happen to their

1:16:26

kids. So now they're like, Oh, any, any

1:16:28

little thing, um, they

1:16:31

view it as like, cause they remember how they

1:16:33

were treated or something. They

1:16:35

seem a lot of weirdos out

1:16:37

there. Yeah. It seems like a diversion to

1:16:39

from the reality that what's the

1:16:41

real problem or

1:16:43

the real problem is people

1:16:46

being robbed through taxation and inflation.

1:16:48

That's a real problem, but let's

1:16:51

divide people across any other lines

1:16:53

other than that. Yeah. Let's talk

1:16:55

about race or class or gender

1:16:57

or whatever. Just not that.

1:17:01

Yeah. It literally is just to distract us

1:17:03

from the things that actually matter. Yeah.

1:17:05

And they're doing a pretty good job at it, you

1:17:07

know, but I think people are starting to wake up

1:17:10

and, um, hopefully

1:17:13

like especially with the Trump thing, you

1:17:15

know, it seems like people are really after

1:17:17

the whole indictment, you know, like, give

1:17:20

them like more ledger to the sea almost, you know, when

1:17:24

he's like, you know, bad boy now,

1:17:26

I don't know. But I don't

1:17:30

know. People are, unless they

1:17:32

cheat again, you know, hopefully

1:17:35

we're going to get in this thing. Yeah. I

1:17:37

assume you vote for Trump. I don't know. I

1:17:40

don't vote. Actually. I think voting is a

1:17:42

scam and a waste of time, but, um,

1:17:45

I vote by accumulating ideology. Yeah.

1:17:47

I accumulate Bitcoin, which is a vote against

1:17:49

the state. Um, but

1:17:52

yeah, if I had to vote, I would

1:17:55

probably vote for Trump because the heuristic

1:17:58

is, The enemy of

1:18:00

my enemy is my friend, right? And obviously the

1:18:03

establishment does not like this guy So

1:18:05

didn't he say something about he wanted

1:18:08

all yours something Yeah,

1:18:11

so Bitcoiners have raised like a hundred million

1:18:14

dollars for him. So now he's very pro

1:18:16

Bitcoin Surprise

1:18:18

surprise. He also said he was gonna free

1:18:21

ross Ulbricht who the founder of silk road

1:18:24

So that's a big big feather in

1:18:26

the cap for mr. Trump in my book But

1:18:30

again, I don't vote I think voting is a scam.

1:18:32

I think democracy is a scam but That's

1:18:35

just me with your wallet But

1:18:38

with your wallet bingo Um,

1:18:42

mr. Alpha fox, I think i've kept you long

1:18:44

enough good, sir Uh, this

1:18:46

has definitely been fun Yeah,

1:18:48

I don't know what your normal venue

1:18:50

is but maybe there's a little bit more humor

1:18:52

in this one Yeah, this is good stuff.

1:18:54

Where if people want to find out more about you,

1:18:57

where can they find you on the internet? Uh,

1:19:00

go to alphabox78 Or

1:19:02

that's my app or alphabox78.com is my

1:19:04

merch store But

1:19:07

um, yeah that i'm primarily i'm just

1:19:09

on x so you see other alphabox78 Not

1:19:13

me Yeah, and just to

1:19:15

say you when I tried to

1:19:17

look you up I

1:19:20

had to type in alphafox. I

1:19:22

had to type in x.com/alphafox78 You

1:19:25

did not come up in search because you are a shadow band

1:19:29

It happens every other week It's

1:19:35

a nerf ser account and you can't

1:19:37

find me so right Well,

1:19:39

you can still go to the url directly and it

1:19:41

still works if you want to check out my page

1:19:44

Well, yeah, thanks for having me. I've never

1:19:46

really done a one on one

1:19:48

like this. So Appreciate

1:19:50

the opportunity. Yeah, man. Great to have you

1:19:52

on. Uh, we will put your x

1:19:56

url in the show notes And

1:19:58

uh, hope you get liberated from

1:20:00

Shadow Banning soon. Yeah,

1:20:03

well hopefully I got out for two days last

1:20:05

week and I'm back in again. You

1:20:08

never know. Alright man,

1:20:10

thanks so much. Thanks for having me.