I sat down last week to record the first Wicked Problems and Circular Systems podcast with Jonathan Cohn, an old friend and the editor of my books. We’re currently collaborating on WPC Book #2: What do we do after the pandemic?

Jonathan does a variety of interesting work both professionally as the Managing Editor of the Tellus Institute’s Great Transition Initiative, as well as an extraordinary array of roles supporting a variety of political campaigns and related causes.

We talked about the interesting books he’s read recently, as well as his assessment of the state of US politics. (I asked him if he thought the US would hold elections, and if so, would they be clean?) We also discussed the core challenges in US politics and Jonathan shared some thoughts on what needs to happen to send us in a better direction. If you give it a listen, I’m sure you’ll learn a lot from him. I certainly did.

Background track: Never Forget by Ketsa

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