In part 4 of my interview with Ian Welsh (Ian blogs at ianwelsh.net), I suggested that neoliberalism was on its last legs and asked Ian what he thought might follow. As with the rest of the interview, my questions were mere launching points. Here Ian dove into a broad conversation on geopolitics before coming back around to the factors that gave neoliberalism its ride, but were no longer tenable. We also talked about factors underpinning decisions in which people seemingly voted against their interests before taking a deep dive into the forces that led to the outcome of the Brexit vote, the problematic nature of wealth concentration during the pandemic, and a particular disconnect in modern society that warn of the potential for collapse when viewed in a historical context. We also discussed the US government’s handling of the pandemic, which wrapped back around to the collapse bit…

The full discussion with Ian was fun and interesting, but he was particularly animated and enjoyable to converse with during this segment. (You’ll hear me laughing more than anything else…) I hope you enjoy it.

Check out my book, Pandemic Capitalism.

The podcast’s backing track is Never Forget by Ketsa.

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