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the mid eighteen hundreds map makers
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were sent all over new york city the
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task was to document the
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entire city with detail unlike
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any other maps of the time the
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report buildings a different colors
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depending on what they're maidens pick
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, brick blue for concrete
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and all of greens for fireproof
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construct
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kindle for things like skylights then
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and allocators some maps
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would tell you whether you whether were cobbled or
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not
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uma decades before this do
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for you destroyed large sections
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of the sea
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more people wanted insurance
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than ever before and insurance companies
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realized that it was too time consuming
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to send each and so to inspect every single
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property the
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be decided these maps would be the answer
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standardized , maps
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of every corner the city city
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a building was made was how many exits
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it at them what it was used for
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these are all things that insurance agents
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could use to assess what kind of premiums
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and now they could figure it out without
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leaving the awesome one
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company in particular the sanborn
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map companies eventually held
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the monopoly over the field and
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published maps for over twelve
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thousand cities thousand towns
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the don't have a decade of the city's grew
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when expanded and a fire codes
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and modern construction methods improved
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fire , maps became
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more expensive dup keep is
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not as important are
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you today just not for
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the original purpose then
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one maps are like away good of what used
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to be there and what might still
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be there that now
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under the ground invisible and
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forgotten
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so the first step is measuring
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out the yard and comparing it to the
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old sam were madison eighteen seventies and
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from there we look at a structure
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of a house itself to figure out if
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it's been changed ah and of what
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has been changed i then we
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stick a probe that goes
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into the ground a little metal probe that
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weekend kind of feel
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how hard or soft ground as
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as the ground those really hard that area more
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move off three or four feet do it again
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until we find the actual and
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then then we started digging ah
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we set up shop or bring out a tarp i
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get ourselves ready and get the whole
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for other and sorry
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going down a third it's all done by hand
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and rope and bucket
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woodard live in baltimore maryland
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and , explores the city from
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underneath underneath searches for
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things buried underground things
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that some people might consider trash
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be a bottle or toy or
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anything that he bought a throw away but it also
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can be coins things i fell on people's pockets
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so it's not it's different than treasure
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hunting how our treasure
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hunting how our you're looking for a specific item like
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you're looking for that gold coin or you know
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know the holy grail or something along those lines
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were is what i'm doing is looking
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for just pieces of are forgotten industries
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ah beer bottle soda bottles i've
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broken played pitchers i even
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toys that gets played with that and eighteen hundreds
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even have been interested in taking things since
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is a little boy he ,
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he's obsessed with indiana jones as a kid
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kid he never really cared about finding something silly
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me silly to
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like the others any
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wanted to learn split any wanted teach him
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about the city that he grew up
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i'm
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i'm be
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one ever found a clear glass
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soda bottles that said heinz hurling and
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company on the front i
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could everything he finds open
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wanted you know more about where came from and
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during the research that i uncovered
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a story about a black man
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named john butler who was
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most likely framed for murder and executed
5:45
for that murder you
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know haven't got there the
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search for the name heinz hurling from the front
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of the bottle in the baltimore sons archives
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some articles popped up and eighteen eighties eighty nine
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is which is about the time that the company existed and
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i went out of business but there is a
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couple more articles that showed up in the nineteen
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hundreds and is the really unique name
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that and made everything he could find and
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piece together with together owner of the bottle
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company son was listed among
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the names of people scheduled to attend and
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executions that the baltimore city jail
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and from there kind of know more about the execution
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and why this guy was being executed
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i'm learning that the man had been executed with
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a black man named john butler the
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rapid on the evening of october twenty seventh
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nineteen hundred john's lifeless
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any about there was found dead on
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baird street in downtown baltimore
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about iraq was sound nearby which
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the police believed was the murder weapon
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no one had witnessed the murder the
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man who discovered the body told the police
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did eighteen a tall black man standing over the
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woman the several
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hours john butler was arrested
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the retired and found guilty first degree murder
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and sentenced to death on
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august twenty third nineteen a one john
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but died by hanging before
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he died he said i
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haven't anything to say except
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that i'm innocent the
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practice of the time with for people to be called
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to witness executions a
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man named john are heinz killing we've
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become a newspaper as one of the twenty
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witnesses summoned to be present
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john butler had been active in politics
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at a time when black men and women and
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the more we're fighting in courts are equal
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treatment under the law
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during the president of a local black republican
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club
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organizing meetings and speaking events
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the making hundred the baltimore sun reported
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idiot quotes much influence
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reading about all of
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this more than hundred years later
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john butler could have been
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framed for political reasons
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the not be all of these hidden stories
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you know it every new
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there's potentially had and story is
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that are you think about the work yeah but
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it's it's not so much about the artifact itself is
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about the store that the artifact intel or
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and knowing are learning what
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this might have been related and
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why both more such a good what
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what is it that special about that baltimore
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or when you look at other large cities that are
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historic like new york or dc i've
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already had so much redevelopment happen ah
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whereas baltimore is just starting to do that now
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so a lot of the old history
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especially in the ground is so preserved and
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save for people to come say
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i didn't woodard says he doesn't at least
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a hundred if not two hundred the backyards
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in baltimore that
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for that getting permission to dig is
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are these are you ever just knocking on
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some home hundred door because you think they're an
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interesting location or are they are
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they all coming to you or it's a mixture
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of both i will knock on doors
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or and and work a whole neighborhood and see
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and to explain to them what i'm doing i
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often bring like a couple of items with me to show
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them hey this is what we're looking for this is
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what we're trying to do and explain a whole process
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ah and tell him that hey we've also
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put your name your backyard back
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our was a for arm and not damage
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or anything but then i also get a lot of people reach
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out to me on instagram saying can become that
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china my backyard and a semi their address and us
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are talking to them do the research
9:38
the next you know rover their couple weeks later when
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you
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driving around the city now or any like
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see a corner or see a house do
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think after doing this work oh god
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i wish
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in their backyard or yeah it's
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me drivers of the city is city super
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slow i'm in thankfully we have traffic here so
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i can cottages look around as i'm sitting at a red
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lights ah and if lights see
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and act of
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right i'll pull over just go talk to the people
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right away and in i'll explain to them what i do
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and usually like a combat lynette
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little italy is near the water just
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a few blocks from the inner harbor the
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address seven woodard gave us led us to a quiet
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block lined with narrow brick and
12:33
stuff rowhouses there's
12:35
little pizza restaurant at the end of the block called
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seventeen us haven't
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told us to the house is being renovated and
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that the front door would be unlocked and
12:45
that we should just let ourselves in and meet
12:47
him in the backyard when
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we got here it was clear as an had
12:52
already been working for a while he
12:54
, wearing tall rubber boots and
12:56
six gardening gloves and was covered in dirt
12:59
it was new and church bells are
13:01
ringing the backyard
13:03
with smallpox just a little peeved patio
13:06
area with an overgrown gardens
13:08
surrounded by a tall lot of sense
13:12
and right in the middle was middle was pile
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of dirt
13:16
know about with a home the ground
13:19
and someone with chest seat standing
13:20
anyway
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you do is what's happening
13:24
the are currently working in a
13:26
pretty odd look for that of would line for the
13:29
are probably share between this house in the next
13:31
house over ah and we're now trying
13:33
to find the edges of the pretty awesome
13:35
man is currently digging down through all
13:37
the fill that was tossed into the privy
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are when they closed off and early nineteen hundreds
13:42
when this area gop funding
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what do you mean what is
13:47
the is it a toilet yeah
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yeah the previous the old out how saw where they
13:52
go to the bathroom farm prior to having indoor
13:54
plumbing and they also use as
13:56
a trashcan so anything
13:58
over the household item on
13:59
can be in a burned would go in the
14:02
privy to notice toss is models
14:04
dishes are food scraps own
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say like that and
14:09
curiosity the previous work cleaned out ah
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by preppy differs by now overtime
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at the house was in was really weird space
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where they think it's the backyard is easy or
14:18
the homeowner didn't want them tracking hot
14:20
pockets of me as he misplaced through the
14:22
house i they would just leave it
14:24
in there until powered up and then cap off
14:27
cap privy to make a new one somewhere else even
14:31
at the pretty dippers wouldn't always
14:33
empty them completely pretty
14:36
decorator also called honey diapers or night
14:38
soil man read some every
14:40
the few feet of waste and crash at the very
14:42
bottom eventually
14:45
when has this got indoor plumbing the
14:47
pretties would just be sealed off and
14:49
forgotten about
14:51
so how deep you for
14:54
your kindness i mean the
14:56
whole big enough to summons basically in it
14:58
has the how much there will you go down
15:01
are all previous abandons exercise
15:03
and what neighborhood your and ah this one we
15:05
expect to get out about eight feet because that's not
15:07
standard for this area i and then
15:09
once we done before have been up to thirty five feet
15:12
deep and that's all done by have to
15:15
, five one last summer summer
15:17
a lot of health and still talk
15:20
around twenty hours spent over two days
15:23
they were headlamp
15:25
you doing good in almost every weekend the
15:28
usual routine a sister the sanborn
15:30
matt the identify what
15:33
buildings have been around since the eighteen hundreds
15:36
and probably had probably pretty at one point then
15:40
he uses the map to figure out where
15:42
exactly the property lines were
15:45
so check to see if there's been any extensions
15:48
added onto the house
15:50
the man they have to take a few tests
15:54
and an a today we got it right
15:56
on the third try
15:58
how did you how did you know that you
15:59
the right spot me what what did you see here
16:02
in this whole that made you think okay we sound i'm
16:04
not so much be ah
16:07
seeing , whole it's when you put a probe into the ground
16:10
the ground is like super soft ah and
16:12
if it's still with ash and other debris you'll
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hear that when using the probe sliding into the ground
16:17
on vs like natural soil that's is hard
16:19
contact place and there's a lot of
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of it's it's a lot harder question
16:24
the new the run the right place when right place signing
16:26
fragments of old glass soda bottles
16:30
underneath that layer is usually a
16:32
the cap and more artifacts
16:35
didn't like pipes plates and old
16:37
toys
16:40
mm friend matt palmer is the one
16:42
digging the whole today i now
16:44
it's deep enough that his head is pretty
16:46
much level with the ground using
16:50
a shovel some a large bucket with
16:52
dirt and ash and brick fragments
16:55
and , evan pulls the bucket which
16:57
is attached to a rope backup
16:59
of us grasp what it's it's
17:03
to listen to that over of insists
17:05
if you don't forget it's a mess
17:07
with it's as if the
17:10
mm have a bucket of a little
17:12
bit and see if they sound a
17:15
pile of dirt on the patio is now
17:17
much taller than when we first arrived
17:20
you have to find any think what
17:24
would you specify
17:25
there are very we've already found
17:27
actually couple pieces of models that we haven't seen
17:29
before arms and they're on
17:31
earth i guess more rare sight armed
17:34
but i mean this is every whole different just never
17:36
known to really get down there are what
17:38
the house as the house rich
17:40
where they ported a have enough money to buy a lot of things
17:42
or were they to try to save as much as they could
17:45
on so that's one of these kind of tell
17:47
by the trash or to pull out at
17:50
, point we've watched them does have a season
17:53
and the stunts so you can look at
17:55
like if the homeowner are
17:58
the family had the lot of me
17:59
they could be a lot of animals are you knew
18:02
the variable afford to go to the market get animals
18:04
ah miss a drink a lot of beer i
18:07
got a how much for the quantity
18:09
of trash and then the quality of
18:11
mine what type of trash it is that you find a soda bottle
18:13
that's from us wanna manufacture you
18:15
know that air paying money for that com
18:17
vs something that just like a couple
18:19
of small little ,
18:21
medicines ice bottles things like that for
18:25
if they smoke on types are
18:27
also fairer literate com you'd find
18:30
our inkwell things like that and so
18:32
you can tell you how to write her reply to read
18:35
once when digging in the seat and hill neighborhood
18:37
of baltimore haven't found a lot of friends
18:39
artifacts
18:40
the glass bottles that held perfumes
18:43
so madison
18:46
he started looking into it and learn the during
18:48
the french revolution in the late eighteenth century
18:51
i'm on french people fled to the u s
18:54
many of them settled in baltimore
18:57
what's what's your favorite thing he's ever
18:59
done that oh that's that's
19:01
one i i think my favorite items
19:03
is a flasks from baltimore
19:06
glass words from about eight and cities eighteen
19:08
sixties and baltimore glassworks
19:10
burned down and eighteen forties
19:12
and when they reopen they made
19:15
us commemorative flask that showed a phoenix
19:17
rising from the ashes and reserve i'm
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i'm underneath of it the second
19:21
is latin for i shall rise again as
19:24
if it is so cool that
19:26
the concept of like novelty items
19:29
and and commemorative things like he would get
19:31
a baseball stadium is nothing new that companies
19:33
have been doing this for a while over a hundred years now
19:36
and all kinds of things crazies
19:39
why he can dentures
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even when appear to be amazon
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grew up outside of baltimore and a town
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called moral when
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he was a kid one of the see for things to
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do was go into the woods around his house
21:51
and explore
21:52
the with near nature preserve
21:54
and so this was like all reclaimed land
21:56
that the government took over are they going the forties
21:58
fifties but that there you could find like
22:00
old homes and
22:03
all cars does pretty cool and
22:05
when what types of things would use find
22:08
objects in those like houses are cars
22:10
and you'd be exploring at we'd ride
22:12
final bottles and and magazines
22:15
and books sometimes games and
22:17
things like that and then what was left of
22:19
the car itself the doors the motor sometimes
22:21
attire to
22:23
would you take them home with you
22:24
would you take the little things
22:26
home with you know my mom would kill me to
22:29
a safer place
22:31
to go as go as was the baltimore museums
22:33
industry it's see things
22:35
like a hundred year old printing press and
22:37
machinery from an old oyster cannery
22:40
did but did you find yourself being drawn
22:42
to like these and dust employees working
22:45
systems , and remnants of
22:47
of the way life used to be i'm
22:50
yeah i would say so because i've always been
22:53
interested in how things work as
22:55
, i would take part everything my parents get so
22:57
annoyed of that but then alfred about together and work
22:59
and so that was gonna call by and
23:02
i just liked i don't like
23:05
seeing what was here in baltimore
23:07
originally
23:08
i haven't got older he realized
23:11
he wasn't standing as much time outside as
23:13
he did when he was a kid during
23:16
a pandemic he , going for
23:18
hikes all over the city and surrounding
23:21
counties with his friend snap
23:23
palmer palmer one day we are
23:25
our and he found the so our beer bottle and
23:28
it just kind of like sparked my interest in it and
23:30
then i got home so researching it and
23:32
it wasn't so much researching this the
23:34
beer bottle itself like who made it but i was a story
23:37
behind it might ah what of this person
23:39
do in their life and how did it maybe and maybe to
23:42
lobbyists are stag when you say i'm actually
23:44
gonna tempt that i had just met had know we're
23:47
what we're lessons yeah my first dig was
23:49
in cells points behind this
23:51
old ah i guess is a boarding
23:54
house back on turn eighteen fifties
23:56
and there was turn large
23:58
barrel or place ground for the agree
24:01
the outhouse and that's we ended up excavating
24:03
on the barrel and this site was covered by concrete
24:05
so we had a buster that with our sledgehammers by
24:08
you know it was super rewarding afterwards
24:10
seeing all these things from i'm from the ground to
24:13
, to the first thing these hadn't have had pulled
24:15
up i believe it was a
24:17
films brothers bottling
24:19
, spear anjos amber
24:22
and of the crown top and a has like is a pitcher
24:24
of like two boxers fighting
24:26
ah i'm one standing over the other and
24:29
it's just like of kind of like a cool like is a
24:31
baltimore history to have the
24:33
often use the slogan
24:34
i knock out for thirst
24:37
guess of the bottle the sound was
24:39
from the t nineties
24:42
for you went digging that first time
24:45
he was hot
24:46
the front man had gone with him and two
24:48
of them started looking for other backyards
24:50
to dig up even
24:53
remember the time they spend hours and one backyard
24:56
trying to figure out where to dig it
24:59
wasn't working hum
25:01
i told him to call a man named chris ral
25:04
could be digging up pretty is and searching for
25:06
artifacts for twenty years haven't
25:09
caught him and says that within two
25:11
minutes of being in the backyard said
25:14
soon the pretty
25:16
in an open the pretty whisper
25:19
now the twentieth and take together
25:21
all the time the require
25:23
on the day we visited
25:25
what do you like doing that even doing
25:27
for a long time that
25:28
oh it's it's so fun you find things
25:30
nobody's ever seen before or at least
25:32
nobody's seen in hundreds of years and cared about
25:35
one hundreds of years and i was you
25:37
know we found a bottle earlier
25:39
this year this was telling your associate about
25:41
i'm that i'm had never seen
25:43
that was no record of one ever existing even though we only
25:45
had half of it of it enough i was able to glean enough
25:47
information from to find the advertisements for
25:49
the guy confirmed that it was his bottle
25:52
and that he was manufacturing
25:54
mustard in baltimore in the eighteen thirties
25:56
so that was an exciting thing for me to find
25:59
and put all that the back together and unified
26:01
be the first person they care about this guy in
26:03
his business for two hundred years it
26:06
, is just the excitement
26:08
of what could be down in the bottom of at home
26:11
treasure hunt the toilet
26:12
absolutely children on a toilet he announced
26:15
after few hours i decided i
26:18
wanted to give it a try that
26:20
was wearing a white button down shirt and
26:22
one of the men mommy their jacket before i climbed
26:24
in
26:26
the whole was
26:26
we eat feet deep and
26:28
about three feet wide a sort
26:31
of jag good uneven circle gone
26:34
so deep that we had these of rickety
26:36
metal folding ladder kind
26:38
, looks like something you'd only use an emergency
26:41
is that i climbed out her
26:44
ago
26:49
your really
26:50
he
26:53
was incredibly hard work try to get a shovelfuls
26:56
of clay into the bucket still have time
26:58
to time to get in the corner here to see if is that
27:00
seem as if you're , yes
27:04
yes whole is awkward you can't stand
27:06
straight up and see your kind of krauts in a foreigner
27:09
constantly flicking constantly the mud and sinking
27:11
into the stirred
27:16
clean up
27:20
, this is a summary of who is doubly
27:23
use the shovels before see the
27:25
amazed how many people don't know how he was several
27:28
months i taught as and i would still
27:30
have one bucket and then come back up
27:32
and i kept saying just
27:35
one more
27:37
the and i didn't read anything in there
27:42
at one point jared lyle
27:44
spoons the house came outside
27:47
to see how things were going
27:48
oh backyard was completely dot
27:51
it if it isn't your backyard this is now it
27:54
is it's kind of a mess right now
27:55
yet when back the backyard is them
27:58
as right now they've got probably like
27:59
it for her power dirt out here in the backyard
28:02
what is it is it interesting
28:05
for you to see all of this
28:07
is the stuff that was used by people who
28:09
lived here before you you need to see there
28:12
were people there are people living here in
28:14
your home and doing the same things are
28:16
doing is creating a life
28:17
sure am i think actually
28:19
them domestic lives of people israeli work
28:21
makes of history and really enrich is it makes
28:23
you can think of a big events but
28:26
really the day to day actions of
28:28
people's lives can lives can have contributed
28:30
to those men impossible not
28:32
to the texture and flavor everything most
28:36
homeowners are thrilled i'll stand outside
28:39
images and ask us what different things are
28:41
and you can see their face light up it's almost like
28:43
watching a kid on christmas ah we've
28:45
even had homeowners like basically alcohol
28:47
barbecue our backs on by their neighbors over
28:49
which is good for us because then the neighbors i can
28:51
do this in my yard and i figured kind
28:53
can bring like a neighborhood together because we'll
28:56
bounce around from different houses and
28:58
house and and of people said i'll go talk to john
29:00
down here go talk to steve are you know
29:02
rachel down as block and
29:04
it's really cool to see like the whole neighborhood much yes we
29:06
want you to come back and dig our backyard
29:10
they haven't found a lot of bottles while we were there
29:13
and also a small house
29:15
green attached to the little jar
29:17
and what appeared to be a crack ceramic
29:20
gravy boat with flowers painted on the sides
29:23
they get a few small it'll become
29:26
souvenirs
29:28
one of them with a tiny cobalt
29:30
blue glass bottles that it held bromo
29:32
seltzer
29:34
i'm never going down to the late nineteenth
29:36
century in baltimore i
29:39
haven't forgotten still don't it the the fact
29:41
he recovers to the baltimore museum
29:43
as industry the same he
29:45
seems he loved going to as to as boy
29:49
he added there's some days on noted for seven
29:52
hours and find nothing he
29:55
says he doesn't mind that's
29:57
part of it
30:01
a type of people that do this work
30:03
i mean all he knows who
30:06
who likes this
30:07
did you this stuff that's
30:10
, interesting like like
30:12
i know that i'm one of the of black
30:15
americans do this out do
30:17
and so i do like that
30:19
i'm trying to make them more accessible to
30:22
or show others that hey economic me on
30:24
be a good role model and get kids
30:26
model in this i mean for
30:28
me i didn't see people are look
30:30
like me on tv doing anything about history
30:32
arms i didn't know that hours late in
30:35
some than know that to do
30:36
the and history
30:39
is often the point of view of mean i'm mostly
30:41
white people and when
30:44
that's all you see and that like you're not
30:46
against see that representation ah
30:49
it out there and the field in i don't
30:51
really go for
30:59
funny because i think that we sometimes
31:01
have a hard time understanding the historical
31:03
significance of where we
31:05
live and with our that
31:08
they ain't imagining or envisioning
31:10
what's that has is like a hundred
31:12
years ago when the people when people first moved in
31:15
it it must make someone feel more connected
31:17
to where they live when they see they
31:20
actual evidence of evidence of people who
31:22
had been
31:22
there before them yeah cause and eager
31:24
to say that this was a beer bottle that the
31:26
personality my house or built miles strikes
31:41
life is greeted by lauren sport
31:43
and mean
31:45
media was in his or senior producer heated
31:47
the surplus or supervising producer
31:50
our producer or says in of others and jackie
31:52
city girl samantha brown and will be foster
31:55
or , director israel buyers entities
32:00
learn more about the showing our website this
32:02
is love podcast dot com she
32:05
liked the show telephone the really the
32:07
to reveal that means means
32:10
you can see as inwards work on his instagram
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at salvage that's
32:15
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32:19
on facebook twitter and instagram episode
32:22
where will have video
32:23
of me digging in the whole group
32:26
of gladys records
32:27
the duties of north carolina public radio studies
32:29
un seats were part of
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