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was thinking the other day. About how when I was

1:12

growing up. We had sanitary

1:15

napkins. We didn't have bike paths

1:17

that you pulled. The adhesive off of

1:19

I'm Stuck In Your Panties We had like

1:21

these. Crazy elastic belts that

1:23

you'd pull the napkin.

1:26

Tales. Through. You know,

1:28

sort of. for and aft. And they

1:30

were the strangest thing. Valerie

1:33

Li Shaffer was born in South

1:35

Korea. When. She was two

1:37

years old. She was adopted by an American

1:39

family. She. Grew up in

1:42

rural Wisconsin in nineteen sixties and

1:44

seventies. She. Says

1:46

was up to her to entertain

1:49

herself. She describes her childhood as

1:51

semi feral. One

1:54

day when she was around five years old, she

1:56

was playing in the hall closet. Inside.

1:59

She found packages, sanitary napkins,

2:02

And. I remember like asking my mom's

2:04

are these something that we should

2:06

be putting on the dinner table

2:08

with our silverware because Isis because

2:10

they were called napkins and and

2:13

I think I'm to She was

2:15

shocked by the question and just

2:17

sort of. You know was like

2:19

no other. Are you know she didn't tell me what

2:21

they were instead she didn't eat is there were sleep.

2:23

There was a lot of are. You

2:25

know, and an almost like a it was taboo we

2:28

didn't. Talk about it. Stupid.

2:30

But when you got your theories. I

2:33

do. I'm probably about

2:35

eleven. We had

2:37

farm. A day and school. Where.

2:39

The girls got pulled into a separate

2:42

classroom to watch a special some strip

2:44

and I know that my mom had

2:46

to sign a permission slip for me

2:48

to attend the special Learning Simpson and

2:50

a sick of might have been even

2:52

sponsored by like Kotex or somebody like

2:54

that because of the end of the

2:56

some strips. We got the school little

2:59

take home package with all kinds of

3:01

products samples in it. So I had

3:03

a little kid, I had my little

3:05

last six trust he felt I had

3:07

my sanitary napkins. I think that we're

3:09

probably. A couple of tampons in there and

3:11

this was an air. Of tampons

3:14

it came with like

3:16

us cylinder like cardboard

3:18

applicators sort of. Like

3:20

a i gotta remember it being like the

3:22

with of like a paper towel like core

3:25

you know and sure wasn't that large but

3:27

it seemed like it and it was certainly

3:29

that dry and that's what I had is

3:32

no starting to hit. I paid attention to

3:34

the film strip, I'd read all the literature

3:36

and my little goody bags and that is

3:38

how I navigated my first period. So.

3:42

Even when you got you period didn't. Your

3:44

mother best. She'll remember

3:47

talking to my mother about

3:49

it. Still, this was nineteen

3:51

seventy one. This. He

3:53

just didn't talk to your mom about that. I'm

3:57

C B, just. In this is

3:59

Liz. Really,

4:10

how modern Schieffer. Checked

4:12

out so many books from the library. She

4:15

that special permission to get books from

4:17

the adult section. Her

4:19

favorite ones were about the a cold

4:21

and session. She. Got

4:24

a subscription to though she imagined

4:26

choose One of the only people

4:28

in Fort Atkins in Wisconsin that

4:30

had one. In.

4:32

College Valerie studied Sociology master.

4:35

She graduated to thought about

4:37

going to law school. For.

4:39

A while she worked as a secretary for a

4:41

lawyer. But then

4:44

in Nineteen Eighty Nine, she saw an

4:46

ad in the classified section of the

4:48

newspaper. And the ad

4:50

was so glamorous an exotic

4:53

sounding it was like you

4:55

have experience working with offshore

4:57

buyers, you have experience developing

5:00

products and I'm thinking to

5:02

myself. No, not really.

5:04

No, not really. But that sounds

5:06

like a really cool job and

5:08

I applied for it. And

5:11

I'm I went in for my interview on

5:13

I Can River What Is Wearing which is

5:15

so odd because I can't remember what I

5:17

ate for lunch last week, but I remember

5:19

when I was wary to the interview. I

5:21

was wearing a bright red silk jacket and

5:23

I had my hair done up. I'm

5:26

in a little bond with since six. And

5:29

I had a meeting with the

5:31

Human resources department which at that

5:33

point was one person who thinks

5:35

and then she said well I'd

5:37

like to have you. Meet.

5:39

Pleasant and she walked me down the

5:42

hall and I met Pleasant. Pleasant.

5:45

Was pleasant. Roland, the creator of

5:47

the American Girl Dolls. The

5:50

dogs were launched in Nineteen Eighty Six.

5:53

Initially they were three

5:55

dogs: samantha, Molly and

5:57

Kissed. The company

5:59

was cold. Come on. any. I

6:03

walked out of the office thinking wow,

6:05

I'd probably I'm not going to get

6:07

a job I'm not really qualified for

6:09

it, but that was a really interesting

6:11

meeting and I loved meeting her. Advisory

6:13

did get the job. Her

6:16

first assignment was to buy accessories.

6:18

For the door. So my

6:20

first job there was to

6:22

help source and secure vendors

6:24

for all the little things

6:26

that all of the dolls

6:28

had hankies once kids baskets,

6:30

little pets, You could buy beds

6:33

for your dog from the. Catalog. You

6:35

could also get a tiny radio that

6:37

played music and a handprint Ice cream

6:39

machines that could make real ice. Cream

6:41

and at the time I

6:43

was purchasing that products all

6:45

their product was being made

6:47

by actual small artisan i'm

6:50

outfits in the Us so

6:52

you know cure since pottery

6:54

was being made by ceramicist

6:56

sin Cambridge, Wisconsin and some

6:58

answers Hokies were being embroidered

7:00

bites ladies all over the

7:02

Us since I'm you know

7:04

as the company grew and

7:06

the demand for products screw

7:08

it really outstrip. The ability

7:10

of some of these smaller. Artisanal

7:13

companies to keep up with. The

7:16

demands for quantity. Since.

7:18

Nineteen Eighty Six, More than a dozen

7:20

historical dolls has been added. including.

7:23

Dot from the nineteen nineties. To

7:26

the secret American. Girl. Would. I

7:28

can't say that I love them all

7:30

equally. Know. I think

7:33

I probably you know when I

7:35

started a pleasant company. We

7:37

had just the three original historic

7:39

characters: tourists in Mali and Samantha.

7:42

And I loved Molly! Of course

7:44

I'm busy was. She

7:47

the one with the glasses see the one with

7:49

the classes. Properly And and then

7:51

you. We introduced Felicity during the

7:53

time that I was working and

7:56

she's the red haired one. Sees

7:58

the red haired one. Williamsburg.

8:01

When. The company was about to release Felicity.

8:04

Valerie spent months organizing the

8:06

launch in Williamsburg, Virginia. Shoes.

8:09

Eventually put in charge of the

8:11

American. Girl Catalog and as part of

8:13

my job, I was also the company's

8:16

first copywriter since Pleasant Pleasant wrote every

8:18

word of their catalog for many years

8:20

and I was the first person to

8:22

take off with that's up from her.

8:25

Tommy a little bit about pleasant. At

8:28

the time that I was hired at

8:30

American Girl Senses and Company, it was

8:32

a time when a person like me

8:34

with a lousy be A and sociology

8:36

could get hired in to do a

8:39

job that was probably frankly, well beyond

8:41

my skillset. And

8:43

she was an incredible champion

8:45

of i think especially young

8:47

women who were. Ambitious

8:50

and had some mack who maybe had

8:52

never done a job before, but she

8:54

believes that we could. The

8:56

So c is as somebody

8:59

who. To this day I think

9:01

of as having been one of the most important mattress and

9:03

my life. In

9:06

Eighty Ninety Two, Pleasant Company

9:08

also started publishing the American

9:11

Girl Magazine. The. First issue.

9:13

see to the new short story

9:15

about Molly's the World War Two

9:17

era dolls and a paper doll

9:19

you could cut out and dress

9:21

up. dead articles about what it

9:23

was like Tesla appearances, Run for

9:25

political office, And interviews

9:27

with fourth and fifth graders about how

9:29

they convince their. Parents to let them

9:31

pierce their ears. Soon.

9:34

The magazine started reading his advice. And.

9:38

American Girl Magazine got bag full

9:40

of letters some girls all

9:42

over the country about all kinds

9:45

of topics. What I'm most frequent

9:47

things are girls wrote in

9:49

about was with questions about they're

9:51

Changing Bodies and. They.

9:54

Were always written in this

9:56

private concessional pounds. I'm scared

9:59

and confused. Is there

10:01

something wrong with me and getting

10:03

pimples is so in Paris thing?

10:05

I mean I think it's so

10:07

embarrassing. I'm was a really frequent.

10:10

Comment the girls made and it became

10:13

really clear. I think to the editors

10:15

of American Girl that there was. A

10:18

need for something that spoke to

10:20

the kinds of questions girls of this

10:22

H Head. And spoke to

10:24

them in a way that was. informative,

10:28

Certainly. But reassuring most

10:30

of all. His

10:32

plus emboldened. And the editors? So how

10:34

many girls were writing and with questions? About

10:37

things they felt like they couldn't talk to their

10:39

parents about. Pleasant thought. An

10:41

idea. A book. And

10:44

she wanted Valerie to write it. And

10:47

it was really. Confusing

10:49

to me. I had never written a book.

10:52

I'd never written anything longer than. A

10:55

catalogue. And so I

10:57

had a meeting with Pleasant about it and

10:59

I said i may have you been asked

11:01

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11:03

odd choice and I'm sure the editorial team

11:05

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11:07

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11:09

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13:56

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13:59

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14:05

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14:15

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14:18

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14:20

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14:22

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14:24

wondering when they're going to get

14:26

pimples and what does it mean?

14:28

what you do to make them

14:30

go away. So I think what

14:32

we really heard was. A

14:36

How. Anxious. Girls were.

14:39

How alone they salt and we heard

14:41

very much there needs to be reassured

14:43

that what is happening to them or

14:45

what would be happening to them with

14:47

absolutely normal. We did

14:50

juventus hearing what these girls were saying

14:52

and looking at the questions that were

14:54

coming in to the magazine. I'm thinking.

14:57

You know it's funny because it's. Now

14:59

you know. Decade.

15:01

Later to his litter and is the same

15:04

exact things I was. Worried about. Yeah,

15:07

and I think that tells you.

15:10

First. Of all that, it's not. Always a question

15:12

of whether the parents. Are well

15:14

equipped are on hand. It has a as

15:16

much as anything I seem to do with

15:18

a natural developmental. Age

15:21

of Zach. Kind of You know the

15:24

development of age of the. Child's He has to

15:26

believe that you're unprepared, that you're not

15:28

normal, that you are the only person

15:30

having these kinds of thoughts and feelings

15:33

and that seems to transcend you know,

15:35

whatever sales parenting you headed home of,

15:37

where you lived or even more time

15:39

to drop. And I mean, I think

15:42

some of this is just natural. Human

15:45

Development. For was

15:47

the tone that you were trying to

15:49

strike coming. Did you want it to

15:51

be the voices? a you're cool, dear

15:53

friend Or the voices your mother. What's.

15:57

We always said that the voice of

15:59

the book. Should. Be your

16:01

favorite A At and we were

16:04

sort of imagining. That she was

16:06

maybe your mother's. Younger sister. Maybe not

16:08

a lot younger, but because she wasn't

16:10

your mother, you thought she was. Maybe

16:12

just a little bit cooler. And

16:15

you felt like you could talk to

16:17

her privately and that. She would keep

16:20

your confidence and I said

16:22

i'm. So. That is

16:24

sort of the voice that. We.

16:26

Worked really hard to. To. Do

16:28

to deliver to girls into this and

16:30

to. Be. A

16:33

series t do but not like.

16:36

Your. Pediatrician is or your teacher

16:38

is but somebody who you

16:40

trust. A trusted adult. Your.

16:43

Favorite and. School.

16:46

The hardest part of the book. To write

16:48

what section. The

16:51

the section that I think

16:53

we spent the most time

16:55

talking about was certainly the

16:57

section about Period and about.

17:00

What kind of information was age appropriate

17:02

and that only what was age appropriate

17:05

from the standpoint of parents, but from

17:07

what girls really wanted to know. I

17:09

mean, I think it's really easy for

17:11

adults to decide to dump a lot

17:13

of information and kids because we want

17:16

to be an open book. We want

17:18

to give them everything we want to

17:20

give them all the information we simply

17:22

remembered that we wanted. And the

17:24

boundaries that we put. In

17:27

place ourselves were that we're going

17:29

to talk about as we're gonna

17:31

talk about reproductive organs. Were going

17:33

to talk about reproduction. To

17:37

the point that we could answer the. Questions girls have

17:39

about their periods: Why am I getting

17:41

a period? Where am I getting a

17:44

period? Where am I going to get

17:46

it going to be when I get

17:48

my parents? How will I manage my

17:50

periods? So to answer those kinds of

17:53

questions required a certain amount of discussion

17:55

of reproductive organs, but it did not

17:57

require a far ranging discussion about. Max

18:00

her sexuality. In fact I feel

18:02

like the girls we talk to

18:04

and heard from. Or a little bit

18:06

like la la la la la la la la

18:08

la. Not ready for that. Don't.

18:11

Want to go there? yet? But

18:14

I would like to know what a tampon

18:16

as I wanna noted is where do I

18:18

put that thing Is that gonna fall out

18:20

is a good or hurt arms Is everybody

18:22

got to know. I have my period

18:24

how my good A know when to

18:26

change it. You know, sort of basic

18:29

terry keeping maintenance kinds of things. so

18:31

that's the information that we really wanted

18:33

to give them. especially in I'm. A

18:36

book designed for girls. Seven.

18:38

Up at that time skew I like

18:40

is that there's all these intersections without

18:43

getting her period and things that but.

18:45

It also seems so much to me

18:47

to be of the appropriate age because

18:50

there's also a a whole entire page

18:52

devoted to what happens is you get.

18:55

Gum stuck in your hair. He

18:57

doesn't have any leads to capture. This

18:59

is very special age which is still

19:01

not a real teenager yet and and

19:03

you're not a little kid. Anymore, But

19:06

you can have both of these things.

19:08

That's right and I think said straddling that

19:10

line was a really important part of of.

19:12

Kneeling the tone of a book,

19:15

and in determining. Which content was

19:17

really bright for the books ads

19:19

are I think com girls really

19:21

wants to know about. You

19:24

know I'm growing pains in their

19:26

legs. They wanted to know about

19:28

their what if I to my

19:31

fingernail hard way to deal with

19:33

braces. Prices are so embarrassed. Things

19:35

I'm most things were just as

19:37

important to girls is. You

19:39

know what size bras and I get when am

19:41

I gonna get breast? and what about my period?

19:45

To. Approach. Equal.

19:48

Weight to each of those sort of

19:51

sectors of the body. Girls

19:53

want to know about underarm hair? They

19:55

wanted to know about saving their legs.

19:57

They wanted to know about like a.

20:00

All of these kinds of things. And to

20:02

be able to talk about all those things

20:04

in the same. Matter of

20:06

fact, straightforward, informational when he was

20:08

very much a part of what

20:10

we set out to do. Is

20:14

the same time she's working on the

20:16

book The Other Sound Of Shoes, Boots

20:18

and I was. I'm. An

20:20

owner mom, I'm I got married

20:23

when I was thirty five and

20:25

became pregnant with my first child

20:27

when I was. you know, just

20:29

under four. It's so on. It

20:31

was something that. I

20:34

very very very very very much

20:37

wanted and I was by myself

20:39

in my office and don't her,

20:42

Madison when I suspected that I

20:44

might be pregnant and I took.

20:47

And at home pregnancy test by myself in

20:49

my office. Put a

20:51

to think. I. Thought

20:54

I'm. I'm

20:57

a I think. obviously I was.

20:59

Excited and happy. but for

21:02

me I think as a

21:04

person who was. Adopted.

21:08

Who was the transfer? a soul? Adopting

21:11

a transnational Adoptee: I

21:14

I had. An extra

21:16

special feeling that I was going

21:18

to meet somebody and be connected

21:21

to somebody. Who. Was

21:23

biologically a part of

21:25

me and I think

21:27

that's a really com

21:29

and ceiling for adoptees

21:31

to has especially transracial

21:33

adoptees. I might have

21:35

had a little extra happiness. I think about

21:37

learning that I was going to meet a

21:40

new person. a new family member. But.

21:43

Then that around twenty two weeks

21:45

that I started to have early

21:47

contractions. She. Says her daughter

21:49

was trying. To come early and I

21:51

mean she was trying to arrive with

21:53

force and so you know I went

21:55

to the hospital was put on strict

21:58

address I did I did. My

22:00

bed rest said St. Mary's Hospital in

22:03

Madison. Flat on my back. The

22:05

doctors thought she had that they

22:07

called and incompetence. Susan. She.

22:10

Had to see in the hospital. On bed rest

22:13

for we. You

22:15

know, it became kind of my funny

22:17

little home and now I worked there

22:19

a fair. I slept their. Arm.

22:23

I learned how to use of the

22:25

local cab service to get magazines delivered

22:28

to me and my husband. Richard work

22:30

third demanding full time job and so

22:32

you know I bed rusted I'm as

22:35

St Mary's Hospital, I'm by day and

22:37

had friends and families as it at

22:39

night. Means you. Were

22:41

working on the book at the same time

22:44

that you are pregnant their noses. It's funny.

22:46

I mean my changing body

22:48

will synthesis. Were you

22:50

thinking about. About that a

22:52

means to do Think that it's changed the way

22:54

that you are writing the book. Knowing that state

22:56

you're. About to become apparent that. That you

22:59

may very well be having a daughter? I

23:01

don't know that And. You knew you'd be a

23:03

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23:05

going to be having a daughter and I, I think

23:07

ultimately. Myself in

23:09

the editorial. Team An American girl felt like

23:12

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23:14

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23:16

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23:18

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Safer gave birth in March

25:25

Nineteen, Ninety Eight seen in

25:27

her daughter, maris. And

25:30

then a few months later in September

25:32

the books had been working on was

25:34

finally published. It was

25:36

called the Care and Keeping a View.

25:40

The whole book is illustrated. With

25:42

cartoons demonstrating things. The

25:45

book talks that what kinds of brawls there

25:47

are and how to find one. That said,

25:50

much to do, feel bad breath and how

25:52

to use deodorant. It's

25:54

divided into chapters: one for

25:57

the had, another for armed

25:59

rebels, Puberty way and

26:01

ceiling. At

26:03

the end of every chapter stairs it advice

26:05

column like in the magazines. In

26:08

the puberty section, one letter reads: i've

26:10

had my period for a year now.

26:12

My mom is here to talk to

26:15

me about it, but I don't want

26:17

to feel like I don't even wanna

26:19

grow up. The

26:21

answer reads as. These

26:24

I'm lonely, scared, and uncomfortable.

26:27

And that's to have the a load for

26:29

any girl to bear. It may be hard

26:31

to imagine. now we're talking it out with

26:34

an adult who's been there done. That will

26:36

make you feel much better. And

26:39

at that time most of the response

26:41

was. Through letters that letters

26:43

and cards that we got at American

26:45

Girl, it wasn't the kind of immediate

26:48

feedback you get from a social media

26:50

posts. Now we've got lots of mail.

26:53

And. If it wasn't universally well

26:55

received, certainly we got letters

26:57

from. People who

27:00

felt we'd gone too far or

27:02

who sells it wasn't appropriate for

27:04

girls I'm of that age and

27:06

let us know that they would

27:08

not be letting their child have

27:10

access to the book. Arm.

27:14

Thank God for libraries, A lot of girls

27:16

would not have had access to the book

27:18

for it.for libraries. Are

27:21

there any letters you remember to through the. I

27:24

see some of the most memorable letters. Came

27:27

from girls who didn't have

27:29

mothers in their homes or

27:32

from girls who had. Single.

27:34

Fathers as their primary caregiver,

27:38

And. Those letters are really special. To

27:40

me because. Those.

27:42

Girls really really really really did that

27:44

book. And such as

27:46

he got letters from. Parents.

27:48

To like I remember particularly a

27:51

letter from a dad saying that.

27:54

he was raising this girl by himself

27:56

and he knew these were things that

27:58

needed to be talked about with but

28:00

he didn't know how to do it. And

28:02

he was so, so grateful that he had

28:04

this book that he could leave on her

28:06

bed and sort of, you know, tiptoe out

28:08

of the room and leave

28:10

behind. I remember that letter

28:12

particularly. And we had letters

28:15

from girls whose parents

28:18

were... forbidding

28:21

them from having the information in the book,

28:23

but the girls had managed to get a

28:25

copy of the book from a

28:27

friend's home or from a library to peek

28:29

at it in their

28:31

school's library and let us

28:34

know in their letters how much they

28:36

appreciated having that information available to them.

28:38

Those kind of letters had a special place in my heart, I

28:40

think. You

28:43

had two

28:45

daughters. When

28:48

they got to be kind of eight,

28:50

nine years old, I mean, had

28:53

they seen the care and keeping of you? I

28:55

mean, were there just copies of it all over

28:57

your house? Yeah, for sure. I

28:59

mean, it was on the bookshelves of our

29:01

house. And, you know, like every

29:03

other sort of mom of my generation, I was

29:05

going to improve on what my mother

29:08

had failed to do and I was

29:10

ready to have the talk. Let's have

29:12

the talk anytime. Do you have any

29:14

questions for me? Are you concerned

29:16

about anything? And just

29:18

like a lot of other

29:21

seven, eight, nine year old girls, they did not

29:23

want to talk to me about it. No, thanks.

29:27

I think I remember my youngest daughter, Raina,

29:29

saying, Mom, I have the book, okay?

29:31

If I have any questions, I'll let you know.

29:35

Does Maris think it's kind of funny that, you know,

29:37

she and the book were both kind of born at

29:39

the same time? Yeah,

29:42

I don't know if she thinks it's funny,

29:44

but I think that she

29:46

has certainly seen, especially

29:50

in these last few years, that

29:52

it's a book that lots

29:55

of her friends Grew up

29:57

with and that's kind of a funny thing. Maris

30:00

often talks about going to a summer

30:02

camp where they were having. You know

30:04

the dreaded ice breaker where they go

30:06

around the circle and ask you to

30:09

tell everybody the group, something about you

30:11

that save the everybody in the groove

30:13

wouldn't expect or know. And they got

30:15

to Maris and she was stoned and

30:17

didn't know what to say and she

30:19

blurted out my mom wrote the bible

30:21

for girls and you know she said

30:23

she was very popular in camp that

30:25

summer. With

30:29

any pieces advice in the book least as

30:31

think. There's

30:33

a line in the book that talks

30:35

about. you know you don't necessarily need

30:37

to save above money because that's a

30:40

lot alike to save the saddest. I

30:42

don't know. Some of those kinds of

30:44

six stick with me because they were

30:46

instances the book where we were able

30:48

to give a little piece of advice

30:50

that was kind of funny Arm. And

30:53

wasn't necessarily straight. Facts.

30:57

But kind of an opinion you can save

30:59

a fair few onto. but you know, honestly

31:01

and I wanna save up their last Okay

31:03

to I'm. And I think is that. It's

31:06

funny that some of those kinds of things really

31:09

stuck was. With. Women that

31:11

I talk to now in their twenties

31:13

at sites that sex it about. You.

31:15

Don't have to save above the knee And to

31:17

the say I don't save above the knee and

31:19

I say or write super. Since.

31:23

It was published in Nineteen Ninety Eight, The

31:25

Queue and Keeping A View to so those

31:28

are five million copies. Parents.

31:30

Are still buying it for their kids to this.

31:33

In a fetal position, Has just

31:35

been released. If

31:38

you could have a book for

31:41

you about growing older. In the

31:43

same way that carrying. keep the of the

31:45

lizards girls or the to wanted to

31:47

cover. So funny

31:49

that you asked me that because it's that

31:51

the most frequently quests I get from from

31:54

women who grew up at the park. Wouldn't

31:56

you gonna write a book about Paramount? A

31:58

pause and as he can. It's

32:01

really only been ages stage of

32:03

life. You move through harm, you

32:05

have questions, or courses are kind

32:07

of a say on what's gonna

32:10

happen, what's normal. Why do I

32:12

feel this way? I'm so I

32:14

seen Com Ice. There were certainly

32:16

lots of books out there about

32:19

men. applause. I

32:21

often wish there were a book

32:23

that is as slim volume, as

32:26

straightforward and as warm and reassuring

32:28

for women of my age as

32:30

the carrying teething of You has

32:33

been for girls. Answering.

32:36

The same fundamental questions eat out

32:38

your normal. This happens. You're not

32:40

a freak and you're not alone.

32:51

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