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Now wherever books are sold. Hi.

1:13

Peggy: how are you. Have

1:15

that's a good question and you wouldn't want

1:17

to hear the answer. So how are you.

1:20

Own a Well, I'm okay. I've

1:22

not had an accident. Oh, I'm

1:25

trying to. I'm trying to get

1:27

better and things like this are

1:29

helping me good. I'm glad to

1:31

hear it. Let's just start with

1:34

you introducing yourself. While.

1:39

The last time I looked I

1:41

was Peggy Seeger and that was

1:43

probably about a second ago. But

1:45

we know how fast things can

1:47

change in the world, so I

1:49

guess I'm still Peggy Sue for

1:51

today. At least he is. Peggy

1:54

Seeger is a folk singer. She's.

1:56

Turning eighty Nine this month. Her

1:58

last album came out a few years ago when

2:00

he was eighty five, and she's working on

2:02

another one. She's. Also

2:05

written a memoir called first Time

2:07

Ever. So many

2:09

love songs would you say you've written

2:11

in your life? Probably

2:15

have about twenty. I

2:18

don't count anything accepting the number of

2:20

steps are taken a day. Sentences assistance,

2:22

how many steps to take in the

2:25

day? I aim

2:27

for five thousand and if I get

2:29

sits this I get to four

2:31

thousand, Nine Hundred and Twenty One. By

2:33

the time I'm going to bed,

2:35

I have to walk out the other

2:38

nineteen step before I go to bed.

2:40

So so I can see these is

2:42

a major go over to five

2:44

thousand. What's

2:47

the first step in right? Enough

2:49

of love the song. There

2:51

isn't one. Series.

2:53

And on. Ice.

2:57

I'm not even sure that it helps to be

3:00

in love. Because you can

3:02

attack love from I'm. A lot

3:04

of different different ways. I'm

3:07

writing one now, which is the last song.

3:10

And I'm attacks are you from have. A

3:12

point of view that I have never looked

3:14

at before. And it

3:17

is so difficult. Or

3:19

because I said sit down at the piano

3:21

for more than sixty minutes. I

3:23

can't work out assume. So

3:26

I walk around thinking of the the

3:28

text which of course has no tune.

3:30

So how was he says format. It's

3:33

a real experience any. Was

3:36

pushed The subject of the song. On.

3:40

I'm looking at it from the point

3:42

of view of the big bangs. So.

3:47

You're. Lists all of these things that happen

3:49

best as a big Bangs a gaseous

3:51

galaxies in the stars and planets and

3:53

the bone and the blood and god

3:55

crawling out of the mud and and

3:57

then in the middle of this Qatar

3:59

sunny. You have a very

4:01

sweet chorus that says this is a love

4:03

song. Us.

4:06

And then it goes on to all

4:08

of the ways that a human. Being

4:11

could have a solved all of the

4:13

turns and crossroads and then it starts

4:15

piling up with all of the things

4:17

that could have gone wrong so that

4:20

you wouldn't be here. and then in

4:22

the middle of that you have your

4:24

sweet forest again. Ah. I

4:26

love love songs for all kinds of reasons.

4:30

Pegasus. Some love songs you

4:32

particularly like ours isn't She Lovely

4:34

by Stevie Wonder and Vanessa Williams

4:36

Save the best for last. Is

4:39

say ask me what my favorite song

4:41

is the same class as as what

4:43

Answer. Is the one I am

4:45

saying at the moment and comes. In that

4:48

wasn't my favorite, I would not

4:50

be singing. At night would not be. Doing

4:52

justice to it. I have to

4:55

put my mind, isn't. As

4:57

in an arena in which

4:59

I can sing that song

5:01

really genuinely. Picks.

5:03

His mother Ruth Crawford Cigarettes was

5:06

a composer and the first woman

5:08

to receive the Guggenheim fellowship, and

5:10

her father Charles Cigarettes taught musicology.

5:13

It easy Berkeley, Juilliard, The New

5:15

School, and you Cla. Her

5:18

brother Pete Seeger was one of

5:20

the country's best known Soak singers.

5:23

Piggies. And singing silk songs since

5:25

she was a toddler. I've

5:28

written songs of all sorts.

5:31

I've written songs that, ah,

5:34

Are. Sledge Hammer songs,

5:36

Scalpel Songs. Ah

5:39

have written direct act of

5:41

his songs. My.

5:43

Favorite right now is Wedge Songs.

5:46

I called them that. What is

5:48

that? If you

5:50

try to be to direct with your

5:52

politics. Especially about climate

5:55

change and about man's

5:57

inhumanity to man. People.

6:00

Sometimes turn off. Oh no, not

6:03

another protest. So. So.

6:06

Issues and get some Enters the

6:08

song was something that sounds like

6:10

something else. And

6:13

that's that's the sin and of

6:15

the wedge. So they get insisted

6:17

on my new album as as

6:19

the song called Lubrication. Was

6:22

a minute you announce saddens

6:24

a concert halls people start

6:26

tittering and looking embarrassed is

6:28

only two vs on. And

6:32

so the first verse is about

6:34

lubrication what you think it is

6:36

and the second. Verse is about

6:38

tectonic plates. Learned.

6:52

Tonic Police need lubrication and

6:54

we're taking the lubrication out,

6:56

the oil in the water

6:58

and the gas so that

7:00

they're they're having a very

7:02

unhappy time making. Shall we

7:04

say? The Orgasm is the

7:06

Earth is. So

7:09

that's a wedge some. and as

7:11

assassins, it's so that the point

7:13

of it comes when you're all

7:16

softened up. You've

7:23

written a lot of love songs. Are

7:28

there many that have been written about

7:30

you? For you. To

7:33

swim. So

7:35

soon as far as I know, She

7:41

b it. Is

7:49

about a site about a

7:51

kiss and bed. It's

7:54

called the first time ever I

7:56

saw your face and hundreds of

7:58

artist had sensed. I'll

8:02

tell you, Google it and find

8:04

out the people who have sung

8:06

it in

8:08

so many different styles. Country

8:10

and Western and barbershop quartets,

8:14

heavy metal. Elvis,

8:17

Miley Cyrus, The Temptations,

8:19

George Michael, Diana Ross, Johnny

8:21

Cash, Celine Dion. It

8:23

was in an X-Men movie and season

8:25

three of Glee. I

8:28

think the worst version of it

8:30

is one of my own, which

8:33

is on an album called Folk-Sploitation,

8:36

in which a friend of mine took

8:39

me singing it unaccompanied as low as I could

8:41

get and turned it into a dance track.

8:44

But the version that most people know that really

8:46

made it big is by Roberta

8:48

Flack. She said she was

8:51

thinking about her cat who had just died when

8:53

she recorded it. Glenn

8:58

Eastwood heard Roberta Flack's recording come on

9:00

the radio while he was driving. He

9:03

said he was hypnotized and started to drive off the

9:05

side of the free wall. He

9:07

called Roberta Flack and said that he wanted to use

9:09

her version in a movie, Play Misty

9:11

for Me. The

9:14

first time ever I saw your face won two

9:16

Grammys and was the top song of the year

9:18

in The first time ever

9:20

I saw your face

9:26

won two Grammys. Peggy

9:35

told us the story behind the song

9:38

started in 1956. I

9:40

was brought over to England to be part of

9:43

a singing group. The folk

9:46

song collector Alan Lomax offered her a

9:48

job singing and playing the banjo in

9:50

London with a new folk group, The

9:53

Ramblers. I arrived in

9:55

England looking like hell after

9:57

a 26-hour journey over from Denmark.

10:01

on boats and trains and then I

10:04

was given a bath by

10:06

Alan's girlfriend. She was

10:08

a model and

10:10

she did my hair up in a

10:12

beehive. She dressed me in her beautiful

10:14

clothes and high heels and

10:17

earrings and makeup which

10:19

I never ever wore and sent

10:21

me toddling into the room which

10:23

was filled with BBC producers and

10:26

and over in the corner was

10:28

this very odd looking man with very

10:31

black hair and a very red beard just

10:33

sitting and smoking. Peggy

10:36

sat down in the middle of the room.

10:38

She picked up her banjo and started playing

10:40

her favorite ballad, a song called

10:42

The House Carpenter. After

10:45

the man in the corner came up to her and

10:48

he was such a funny-looking creature when I first

10:50

saw him. My

10:53

first impression of him was that

10:55

he was old, that he was shorter

10:58

than me, that he wasn't handsome but

11:02

that he was intensely interesting. His

11:06

name was Ewan McCall and he was a

11:08

British folk singer and at that

11:10

time he was working in a theater production

11:13

of the Thrapa N'yapra and

11:15

he was the ballad singer and he

11:17

gave me a ticket to the theater

11:19

and I love free tickets and I love

11:21

theater so I went along and

11:25

very soon along in the play comes

11:27

this very old creature with

11:29

a belly hanging out in the stovepipe

11:32

hat and filthy old

11:34

clothes singing with

11:36

the most beautiful voice. Peggy

11:39

went backstage to say hi and he invited her

11:42

to come see the show again. She

11:44

said yes. That time Ewan

11:47

offered to drive her home. He took

11:49

me home that night and

11:52

told me he'd fallen in love with me. Bang!

11:54

Like that and then he kissed me.

11:56

That's how fast he worked. I

11:59

wasn't used to one-two-one. worked that fast. But

12:02

I was only 21 and he

12:04

was married with a kid, lovely little boy. Had

12:09

you been in love or dated much before?

12:11

No, no, nope.

12:16

I wasn't expecting love. I

12:19

was not my idea of what

12:21

I wanted. A lover

12:23

who was shorter than me, 41 years

12:26

old, with

12:28

a wife and a child. I mean,

12:31

that's not perfect. Peggy

12:34

kept going back to the theater to see Ewen.

12:37

They played together in the Ramblers. Did

12:40

his wife know about the

12:42

affair he was having? Oh, Lord, yes. Oh, yes. Oh,

12:46

yes. I

12:48

foolishly left a lot

12:50

of my papers in his house in a box,

12:54

because we used to record his house and

12:59

she opened it and read my diaries. She

13:01

knew about it. It's too bad. Did

13:06

you feel bad for her? At the

13:09

time, no. I was 21. At that

13:11

point, you

13:14

don't have empathy for other people. Not

13:16

really. I don't think so. Peggy

13:20

sometimes felt like things with Ewen, who was

13:22

still married, were hopeless. She thought

13:24

about leaving him and wrote in

13:27

her diary, the hurt of not being

13:29

able to have him, of having to hide

13:31

everything, is getting to be too much. She

13:34

traveled to Scotland and Italy and Ireland. Then

13:37

she came back to him in London. They

13:40

were recording lots of music together. But

13:42

then, Peggy decided to go home

13:45

to America. Well, I was running

13:47

from him yet again, and

13:49

I was in California with my father and my

13:52

sisters. I

13:54

had sworn that I was going to leave him this time.

13:56

I had just gotten a

13:59

little plus job. in Los

14:01

Angeles radio, and they

14:03

liked the folksong love

14:06

songs, but said, oh, they're all

14:08

so sad. Have you got

14:10

a hopeful love song? Well, I didn't have

14:12

any hopeful anything in my songs. American

14:15

folksongs always end

14:17

up in death, destruction, misogyny, killing.

14:21

She's left with a baby in her

14:23

arms crying, et cetera. Even

14:26

though Peggy had left Ewan for America, he

14:29

still sent her letters and tape recordings

14:31

and sometimes called. She

14:34

told them that the radio show had asked her for a

14:36

new love song. And during

14:38

one of our very expensive phone

14:41

calls, he

14:43

said, well, I've made up one. Here

14:45

it is. And he sang it over the phone. I

14:48

liked it. It's only three verses. It's very

14:50

like a folksong. So

14:55

I took it down on the

14:57

music staff and I

14:59

began singing it. And

15:02

the first time I

15:07

saw your face,

15:12

I thought the sun was

15:15

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17:46

You first heard it? did you think too? So.

17:49

I'm gonna be with this man. No.

17:53

No, I was interested in the song as a

17:55

song. And I target and athletes will

17:57

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18:02

Paid. You started performing the song first

18:04

in L A and then in Chicago.

18:07

You. And never recorded. The first time

18:09

ever I saw your face Peggy says

18:11

he never saying it again. At

18:13

the time she thought. That they were over. But.

18:17

Later, they reconnected at a festival

18:19

in Moscow. Peggy and

18:21

Zip back in Europe and in may

18:23

have Nineteen Sixty Eight you and to

18:25

France to see her. All

18:28

of a sudden. I. Realized that this

18:30

man was very good for me. And

18:33

decide is immediately to have a baby

18:35

which this fulham of the most silly

18:38

things you can imagine. We were so

18:40

delighted that the whole say swiss. Over.

18:43

And so I've got pregnant. But.

18:47

Peggy couldn't legally go back to England

18:49

she had to say in France. And

18:53

I got pregnant and soon. And

18:56

in December we decided we had to do something

18:58

about it. but he was already married and couldn't

19:00

get me to England. so I married somebody else.

19:04

Peggy. New and as. One of you and

19:06

friends a man named Alex Campbell is

19:08

he would marry her as a saver

19:10

says she could be with you and

19:12

in England. and I was. This is

19:15

Alex Campbell's for three years

19:17

until we divorced for you

19:19

and didn't get a divorce.

19:21

For years and years. but we

19:23

didn't wanna be married. Not particularly.

19:27

He says he said i love you

19:29

so much all even marry you He

19:31

said himself the you marry somebody the

19:33

says that something. Is.

19:38

He'd been married twice before he said

19:40

the minute you promised Sullivan a day,

19:42

he said it. It seems to love

19:44

in a very strange way, says you

19:46

can't promise. To love forever. And

19:49

I agree with that. I.

19:53

Loved him enough to spend thirty three years. The

19:55

have three. Children with him, it

19:57

was sometimes tumultuous. Sometimes

20:01

hilarious, sometimes an outrage because his

20:03

mother moved in with us today,

20:05

asked to. We first got together

20:08

and she stayed for sixteen. Years.

20:11

While me as you

20:13

bet some specificity? yeah.

20:17

So. But

20:19

their lives as good song writing

20:21

and see it or traveling. Singing.

20:25

Twenty four Season. We.

20:27

Were in a says his pockets we didn't

20:30

have. Good bye darling have a good day

20:32

as the office on the that the offices

20:34

a home. And

20:36

we were a duo for thirty years.

20:39

We. Lasted. In

20:42

Nineteen Seventy One, they got a royalties.

20:45

Check for seventy five thousand dollars

20:47

from Roberta Flack. Peggy.

20:49

Roots that it was the end of

20:51

scraping, worrying, having to take every single

20:54

paying job. To. Started

20:56

cooking elaborate size course meals and

20:58

see anyone would drive into London

21:00

to buy wine and cheese. And

21:04

twenty one years after they met. They.

21:06

Got married, Also. Advised

21:08

by our accounts and to get married.

21:12

Assists: tears.

21:15

She remembers that they went home and got

21:17

drunk. When you're a

21:19

part of a heterosexual couple. Especially

21:22

if you're known as a

21:24

couple and you're always together.

21:26

Twenty Four seven. For thirty

21:28

three years, we never parted

21:31

with them. Place together. He

21:33

didn't have friends, I didn't

21:35

have friends. So

21:37

I didn't know how to be. A friend.

21:40

But I mean. Is. It became

21:43

my friend. Take.

21:47

Him it. I mean paper's. Gone in

21:49

the sixties. You

21:51

and and I were in. Belfast singing

21:53

at a political rally Physicists: He

21:56

said that all I did

21:58

was talk about my. children.

22:02

I think she said I was boring. But

22:06

they started getting to know each other at

22:08

protests, and they formed a women's singing group.

22:11

She was known as Northern

22:14

Ireland's answer to Joan Baez. She

22:17

had flowing red hair. She is

22:20

as different from me and as

22:22

alike to me as possible. I

22:25

am Gemini. I am two

22:28

different people, which is very difficult to live

22:30

with. And she's Aries,

22:32

which is people who

22:34

start fires. She's fiery, and

22:37

she can fly off the handle at

22:40

the drop of a hat and hats drop

22:43

all the time. I'm fairly easy to

22:45

get along with. She

22:48

gives and gives and gives,

22:50

and I take and take and take.

22:52

That's what happens. Irene

22:56

would spend time at the Singers Club, a

22:58

folk club that Ewan and Peggy had started, and

23:01

she came to satirical political plays they

23:03

put on around Christmas. She

23:06

and Peggy sometimes rode the bus together

23:08

to Greenham Common, a long-running

23:10

protest where women set up camps

23:12

to object to nuclear weapons. Peggy

23:16

says she had started becoming a feminist and

23:18

needed someone to talk to about it. She

23:22

was still writing music and performing with

23:24

Ewan, but he was having health

23:27

problems. Sometimes

23:29

Irene would fill in for him at their concerts. He

23:32

was quite sick for a while, and

23:34

then he all of a

23:36

sudden turned into an old man. And it's

23:43

very hard to

23:46

talk about this in a nutshell, Phoebe.

23:49

I wrote the book so that

23:51

I wouldn't have to explain a

23:53

complicated situation on a

23:56

program like this, because it's almost

23:59

impossible. I'm feeling that I

24:01

have to compress it all.

24:04

And that detracts from the

24:06

feelings that I had at the time. Ewan

24:10

was ill for so long. And

24:15

he was very good as an ill person.

24:17

He did not complain. He

24:22

just soldiered on and kept singing and

24:24

kept going out on tour. He

24:28

was sick for ten years. When

24:32

did you realize that you'd started to fall

24:34

for someone else? November

24:38

31, 1988. Peggy

24:44

and Irene went for a walk in the hills

24:46

in Derbyshire. They stopped in

24:48

what she called a dreary little pub and had

24:50

a coffee. And Peggy

24:52

realized she was in love with her. She

24:55

didn't know how to act and was scared Irene

24:57

could tell. She stayed

25:00

quiet on the drive home pretending to work

25:02

on some music. For

25:05

a month she wrestled with what to do. She

25:07

wrote a song for Irene and hid the lyrics.

25:12

Irene lives ten years old and their mom

25:14

officers aren't hope we

25:17

never forget. They sensorize

25:19

her to be the first. Irene

25:23

has been cars that York has him over one day. This is

25:25

going through cars. But

25:28

the process of my own business

25:30

has not worked. Baiyans

25:36

continue to offer a reality of moraloa. But it's still an¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯. I

25:41

told her to be at the creek. I was in

25:43

London, which is a women only spa.

25:49

Fantastic place. I

25:53

just confessed and then we drove

25:55

home together. And

25:58

when I left her at her house I said, You don't have

26:00

to do anything about this, Irene. I just thought

26:02

you should know." And

26:04

the next morning we had breakfast together in the

26:07

local cafe. And then she

26:09

said she was in love too. And

26:11

then it began. She

26:14

lived ten minutes away from me. And

26:18

for a year I found any excuse to

26:20

go and visit her even for five

26:22

minutes. She was

26:25

married. She

26:28

had had a female lover

26:30

before and her husband was gay. They

26:33

formed a veterinary surgery.

26:38

And they had to be married in order

26:40

for her to have equal rights in

26:42

what they did together. So

26:44

they married. And they were a perfect

26:47

match. They

26:49

were a perfect match. They

26:52

worked beautifully together, the same way as

26:54

Ewan McCall and I worked beautifully together.

26:58

But she was overtaken. I was overtaken.

27:01

And if you've never been in love before, uncontrollably

27:04

in love, I advise

27:09

you for an easy life, stay away from

27:11

it. But for

27:13

a deep, really understanding

27:16

of the human psyche, go for it. Because

27:20

it's the first time I had ever

27:22

been carried away, completely carried away. I

27:26

was out of control of myself. And

27:29

I think we harmed

27:31

a lot of other people on the way. That's

27:35

what it does. Did

27:39

you care that you were harming people or did it seem

27:41

like there was no other option? There

27:44

was no other option. I was doing

27:47

as well as I could. And

27:49

I never would have left Ewan. Like

27:53

he didn't tell him about what was going on, but

27:56

she doesn't think it made a difference. Of

27:58

Course he knew. Of Course he knew. You know about

28:01

it he was sense it of I

28:03

know he never talked about it and

28:05

she never was less Philip. Know.

28:08

The wouldn't have happened. But.

28:11

You and died. A

28:13

year Astor's pretty much see here after

28:16

I told her. What?

28:18

Was it like to lose him? Her.

28:22

Do you think's. Those.

28:26

Kind of question. The. Cb

28:28

baffle me because.

28:32

I. Know you want some

28:34

fantastic answer. And

28:37

whenever. Anybody asks a woman,

28:39

what does it seem like to see

28:41

your toddler under a steamroller? I think

28:44

such as they think it's own eyes.

28:47

I may he was my life companion. He

28:50

is. It was. it

28:52

was. I'm not comparing you to

28:54

that, but the question. I

28:58

think you must know what the answer is

29:00

and you just want me to say it.

29:02

Know I I know, I don't know. I

29:04

only ask because. I

29:07

wonder if you had been watching

29:09

someone decline for very long time

29:11

and be sick even though he

29:13

was good at it. And I

29:15

wonder in some way. Of

29:19

course, the easy answer. And that's the answers Of

29:21

course it's hard. The worst thing in the world

29:23

is horrible of course, but that's not really. That's

29:25

just a simple thing. I wonder in some

29:28

way whether because you had this life with

29:30

Irene that was happening in some way and

29:32

because he had been set. I just, that's

29:34

what I'm interested in this. Movie?

29:37

Is it anything more than just?

29:39

of course? of course, Horrible.

29:43

He are being extremely diplomatic and I

29:45

appreciate that of because I was a

29:47

bit crude. Their. Own.

29:50

Guilt more than anything else.

29:53

Guilt. Ah. Because

29:57

he was defenseless in his

29:59

illness. And

30:01

you know is somebody is brought

30:03

up thinking that they're perfect. Because.

30:06

My father just landed on me a sudden

30:09

like a ton of bricks. he just want

30:11

is a daughter. Asked to four boys and

30:13

I was his darlin. I was perfect. I

30:15

couldn't do anything wrong. And

30:18

doing so many things. Wrong all

30:20

of a sudden says. Overwhelm

30:22

me. How have I become this

30:24

person who can do this? To.

30:27

The man I love and to

30:30

my children. How can I do

30:32

this on? And. The fact

30:34

that I was hurting the person lives

30:36

as if you with the thirty years

30:38

and then he died I'd sis. My

30:42

my head with Lupus. I

30:45

went completely off the rails. I

30:48

started as a nervous breakdown.

30:51

I just wanted out. I

30:53

wanted not to saints not to seal

30:56

nothing. And

30:58

so I decided to sedate myself

31:00

and I had a friend who

31:03

worked in alternative medicine. And

31:06

says friend. Prescribed

31:08

some medicines and because Irene worked

31:11

in a surgery, she knew how

31:13

to administer them. So.

31:16

Irene on my daughter Kitty put me

31:18

to sleep Sussex Police upstairs in the

31:20

house. And

31:22

I just go sit off into

31:24

the land of forever. A

31:28

He loved me the way I loved Irene.

31:31

He was absolutely overtaken by

31:34

love. He

31:36

knew that I was not overtaken by love

31:39

for him. He knew that when we talked

31:41

about it every now and then, the different

31:43

kind of love. And

31:45

I'm sure that at certain points system

31:47

you and will call kind of sat

31:49

back and sigurd what the hell am

31:52

I got myself into with. With

31:54

with with his yeah knows

31:56

following list was going with

31:59

me. Does.

32:01

It feel different for you to

32:03

sing the first time now. When.

32:07

I sing it Now I sing

32:09

it to both of my most

32:11

of my lover's in my head.

32:15

I sing the first song. As

32:18

if it was to Irene the

32:20

first. Time I saw her. Really

32:22

saw her when I was. In

32:24

Love but I sing it from the point of

32:26

view of you and I am singing. For

32:29

him, the way he felt

32:31

when he suddenly. The

32:33

second verse. I really. Do

32:38

I sing it to both of

32:40

them? You and and Irene thinking

32:43

remembering things. As

32:45

the third. Ah

32:48

versus for Irene when I

32:50

always think of her the

32:52

first night we had together.

32:55

Ah, ah. The so in love it felt

32:57

like a sickness. The

33:00

first. Has

33:04

or I. Just.

33:57

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McCall and Peggy Seager kept a collection of

35:26

recorded covers of the first time ever I

35:28

saw your face. Family

35:31

have said that Ewan hated them

35:33

and they called the collection the

35:35

Chamber of Horrors. He

35:38

and Peggy never expected the song

35:40

would become so popular. I

35:43

think it's the fact that it is

35:46

so much like a skeleton. It's a

35:49

bone. It's the bones of a story. And

35:52

anybody who listens to it can clothe it

35:55

with their own story. It's

36:00

not like John Wayne galloping over

36:03

the planes and

36:05

the full orchestra is

36:07

hiding behind the tumbleweed and telling you how

36:09

you're supposed to react. People

36:12

who listen to it, if you sing it very simply,

36:16

can respond to it with their

36:18

own experience, their own

36:21

imagination, and that's what they do.

36:25

After you and I, Peggy tried to

36:28

keep performing, but people were

36:30

used to hearing them as a duo. She

36:33

remembers going to a pub with Irene to

36:35

meet a potential new agent. I

36:37

started to fill up and I went off to the

36:39

loo and

36:42

when I got back to

36:44

the table, Irene was there with my coat

36:46

ready to go and what I call

36:48

her Easter Island face. And

36:52

she said, we're going. And

36:55

when we were on the road, she said,

36:57

he said, you weren't commercially viable. And

37:00

he also said that you were no spring chicken. So

37:03

Irene said, we are going to be

37:05

a duo called no spring chickens and

37:08

we're going to make an album

37:10

called almost commercially viable. Peggy

37:13

and Irene finished the album and went on

37:16

tour together. She

37:18

is a very good Irish storyteller

37:20

and she'd had the audience in

37:22

stitches, but the story would last half

37:24

an hour. She had

37:26

no concept of time at all.

37:30

Peggy says that she didn't know how to perform

37:32

with anyone but you and Irene

37:35

like to be spontaneous and take detours

37:37

on stage. And Peggy like

37:39

to follow the program. No

37:42

spring chickens didn't last. They

37:45

stopped performing in 1994. She

37:48

got fed of following me around and decided

37:50

to go to New Zealand. So

37:52

that's where she is now. We

37:55

just both realized that neither of us could live the

37:57

way the other does. ever

38:00

fall in love with somebody who gets on

38:02

stage. They're impossible to live with. The ego

38:05

just gets you. It

38:08

really does. And the need to be

38:10

in the light

38:12

and on stage. But I

38:16

wouldn't be a singer. I wouldn't be a songwriter

38:18

if I didn't get up on stage and strut

38:20

my stuff. LESLIE KENDRICK Peggy says

38:22

that of all the love songs she's written,

38:25

one is for Ewen and the rest are for

38:27

Irene. LESLIE KENDRICK Irene and I

38:30

talk every night and every morning. We

38:32

were totally incompatible. Whereas Ewen

38:35

and I were compatible to live together. LESLIE

38:37

KENDRICK How do you like that? LESLIE KENDRICK

38:41

You don't necessarily write songs for the one

38:43

you live with best. LESLIE KENDRICK I

38:45

did not plant the seeds

38:47

of love. They

38:49

sprang when first I saw you. I

38:52

was lost, lost and

38:58

found on my

39:00

knees before you. LESLIE

39:06

KENDRICK What do you and Irene talk about

39:08

on the phone? LESLIE

39:10

KENDRICK Oh, anything. We talk about

39:12

her dog, her neighbor, the weather. I find

39:16

out what her day has been like. She

39:18

finds out what my day has been like. Yeah,

39:22

we talk. We're friends and

39:26

we're phone lovers.

39:28

LESLIE KENDRICK Peggy and Irene

39:30

got married in 2010. They don't plan to

39:32

live together again. LESLIE KENDRICK Now

39:36

thirty years have come.

39:39

Fell to the last

39:44

door. And should our dreams

39:46

all fall down? I

39:50

cannot. LESLIE KENDRICK What came

39:52

after? LESLIE KENDRICK What

39:55

was the last time you saw each other in

39:57

person like, you and Irene? just

40:00

had a sit-down

40:02

upstairs argument. That

40:05

was 2018 in January. I don't know what's going to

40:13

happen to Irene and me. I can't

40:16

bear the sight of not seeing her again, but I

40:18

don't know when we will. She

40:22

has a house down there and she

40:25

has a dog and she has a life

40:29

and I have one here. It's

40:31

not what I thought would happen, but then nothing

40:33

that ever happened to me was what I thought

40:35

would happen. And

40:38

certainly I have wondered what the hell have I gotten

40:40

myself into with a partner who

40:43

lives in New Zealand. But

40:47

it's good not to have expectations.

40:51

And if you want to end

40:54

this long

40:57

talk, it will be with, it's

41:00

all in the book.

41:03

Better told than I

41:05

am telling it on

41:07

this. It's

41:10

alarmingly frank. Well,

41:14

I'm glad to be asked

41:16

these questions because we

41:19

often talk of love as if it is only

41:21

one kind of love. I love

41:25

the birds that I'm looking at now outside

41:27

the window. They're just coming and taking the

41:29

seeds. I love the sunshine.

41:31

I love the place I live. And I

41:35

love the friend that I can call in New

41:37

Zealand any time of night or day. And

41:40

she can do the same to me. She can

41:42

call me if, yeah,

41:45

yeah.

41:49

Okay, if you love someone, write

41:52

something short or

41:54

long. And

41:57

you can always write it to someone else's tune. Just.

42:01

Write something wonderful, either

42:03

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42:06

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