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hey, let's start the show for

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thursday june 23rd,

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2020 to welcome to this is

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only test podcast attested

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dot-com hello

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and welcome us in the podcast

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this week i am norm and

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we are back from a brief hiatus

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our last week we are off the shore was

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traveling was back home with some family

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and i had well

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family of my own to deal with not

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deal with the take care of

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to spend time where they to sick children

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we had a stomach flu i'll go around

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the household so unfortunately

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no podcast last week but

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as i promised on twitter special

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episode this week because joining

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me for a duo cast

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is none other than jeremy

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williams formerly this

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paris jeremy williams i

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do jeremy a norm i

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assess assess the hoped you'd never mean

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i thought you'd never ask a success

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has enough of us you hope to see

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the for fast sale they were assessed no

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i'd rather be is gonna be back years if i can remember

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how this thing works ah yes

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podcasting i say can i

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have fry it takes i have missed this

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and there's plenty to talk about today's osx

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happy to be as thanks to the invitation oh

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no i appreciate you are showing and

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also the louvre touch up it's gonna be a

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as you see in the headline and we're going be talking

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about lot of vr i'm wearing a tee shirt

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for vr at a gym you

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bring out the best vr talk and me some

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so glad you're here this week but how's

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how's life been in game development world

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and and in in these world

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all immersive i'm loving it as the i work

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with some old curmudgeon to been doing this their whole

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careers and and they seem like they

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they're happy to have a weekend and the

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and i'm still just like every minute is just

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your joy i'm i'm loving it

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i am working on a project i cannot yet

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talk about sadly fight

2:19

it is it is the

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do they were

2:22

labor love and i'm i'm not life

2:24

right now it is good time

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that's a bit harder and if work can be labor

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of love and you're like you i

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think the last time ula final

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episode final regular episode with us he talked

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about waking up every morning thinking

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about this type of work i've

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is are still the case then,

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you now you found your your calling we we can

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be be happier for you also, you

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know last time you got

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a a lot of of great well, wishes from from

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fans, right? yeah

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that was a a moving day

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because i had no idea more than ten

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, twelve people had ssssss a ideo

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even what my name was let alone said

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they would enjoy my presence on this podcast

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that was very appreciated a crusade every

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one of your comments thank you very much

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much that i told my wife it's kind of thing

3:11

that most people don't get here until they

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did the children died while

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you dance so that was a nice mean

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a bit of eulogy well i'm selling celebration

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of life he always your life the living

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yes ah well it's a happy day for

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those folks i can give i sure you more

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than a dozen or so maybe not yells

3:29

not orders of magnitude but whoop have multiples

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the multiples will call it's of and

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before we get into the along

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main topic discussion you're also

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one of few people i know that's finally

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also finely it's like millions

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of people seen a meal at dozens of times they'll

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stop gun maverick we only talked about

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on shelf oh my god breaking all records

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it's right yeah it's gonna make

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a billion dollars share me it's by far

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and away all my tom cruise is most successful

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movie it is i think we've

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only one of the war

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films now have made over forty

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million dollars and wide release on the fourth

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weekend he are among the

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ranks of the force awakens and black panther

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an avatar ah and it still

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may be making more money it's in

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a credible success of this film

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but you saw in the

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full rumble 4dx,

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it's not just rumble is it's like

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you have four chairs they're all connected

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on the the same contraption that have

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actuators beneath the seats so

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they they'll move sort of of like a have motion control disney

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ride and then

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occasionally, you get a a little extra

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actual you know effect added

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to to the the theater like there

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are strobe light so you might see some flashing

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up up above decay

4:47

2 x two 2 or or three times in, in

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in the movie you see smoke emitted from

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though nice of the theater foggy

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up out occasionally three in film

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water is sprayed on you

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from holes in the back of the seat

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in front of you please tell me was the football

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seen on beach now

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know that know that been fine like you

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know little sweat right like the i am i an off

5:11

their bodies our with that mainly it was the boat

5:13

seen ah okay and

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then most impressive

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and by price of i mean like the

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audience in of in moment that was supposed

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to be

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the number and concerning the audience

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erupted in laughter because

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of the at one point is point the theater

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the ceiling you heard the really

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things like spin up

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and then all the snow starts to fall

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down from , sky

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onto everybody's head of friends really

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see an indoor snow recede yeah

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in a saw in a in serious moment

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get by couple hundred of remember but towards the

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end the film like they are as know yes

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the iter and so it's supposed to

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add to this he i don't know

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what it's supposed to do man but it's

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it's it's kind thing that

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it for fun i suppose i don't

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know say recommend like seeing movie

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that you care about in forty x but

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it was interesting to see what they do and i wonder

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if the box office records that you're mentioning

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aren't because

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the ticket prices are potentially

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much more expensive now for experiences

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like this i think this was probably twenty dollars

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yen , they're they're of variety of the

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the large format the right this

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movie was not released in three d there wasn't any

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through the up cel sigma it deathly a large

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format sell so of the big imax

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movie though now with search shot wouldn't survive

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imax cameras mounted in cockpit

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of of these planes with a lease from the

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navy of the of that least time

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on right in actually fly the word tom cruise

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when not allowed to fly and his actual

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military aircraft or except

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that plane the end they flies

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in the one is repairing that is as personally

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like mustang that he flew for that

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final shots that's that tom cruise and plane

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that is tom cruise is plain flour

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and it's him and jennifer connelly flying

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and actually him yet because it is his

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paints i think it said most

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of film was shot or a training base something

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or big airfield that they that

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they out and he

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flew on set the

7:15

duration of the shoot on his plane

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that habibullah tower i mean

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maverick me would it would be any as any other

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way it i will say that

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d box is much preferable like

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an unknown as if you seen that that's

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just a moving see and years astral

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how much you want there's actually thing on the sides

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oh by the way is in forty x can control whether

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not you get the water sprayed new face

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one thing you can control but in but in in

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the box you can actually control how how much

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money you get and that is a proceed

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actuator which makes it much more

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costume then

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it off though a lot more refined it's

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sort like the difference between like a happy

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linear actuator and rumble motor like

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it feels like they have a lot more control with

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with bucks yeah and

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they don't multiple seats like connected

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he didn't anglia appeared in and forty x but

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was it entire theater of

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these rumble seeds or that one row out

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of us the and are seated think it's the whole theater

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it must because they geek he got the snow

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the around to going get snow the i

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have a physicist yeah okay

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always in and wind there's wind and

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that was funny too because they have to spin up

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the wind yeah so every like

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you know it's com and because that whoever programs

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the wind has to turn it on about five

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seconds before the audience dispersed rail it sits

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, his

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it's a weird experience and ah

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monsieur and ah to go at the first time awesome was

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maybe that's how i thought our

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follow the , format

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seen other that the cinemax the there's also screen

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x we talked about works there the studios

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have to deliberately partner with the screwed

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exhibitors the of this actually deliver

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extra footage on the left in the right it's

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a wider field of view just for

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like scenes but it

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it really an array ruins anticipation

9:02

for climactic scenes when you know when they

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kind of start showing some extra stuff on

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side you know something big has come into something big is

9:09

coming up and it doesn't really wrap

9:11

your fuel the review because

9:14

you know that the movie theaters loss of the cup hara

9:16

other it forced perspective luck

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right because you know the of these long

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as he's long side walls

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on an is not for the duration

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of film with only slack scenes so i wouldn't recommend

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screen acts i would recommend imax

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x the think it's fine ah

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imac it is larger aspect ratio

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right lot of those true max and

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so on a shortage got

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seats top gun at the smithsonian

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national air and space museum wow yeah

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we were declare in declare c a

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couple weeks ago which one when my dulles

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of one in one mall the one by dallas well

9:51

dallas that move our how center it's largest

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imax screen with the fork a projector laser

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projector that projector that and or

9:57

five five years ago i won't say snow

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but it the wonder in

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building where they have you know

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the space shuttle one of space shuttles yeah and where

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they have have a a

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blackbird a number seventy one as

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you have these these incredible monuments

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aviation and then the museum close

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it five and we rolled into a five ten

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screening of talked on maverick and

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it was packed it was that

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have been great with that just the public showing

10:26

their said do have you faced there was their first

10:29

movie i think back to

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you know in in the lockdown kobe times

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and it was you know if can choose chosen a

10:35

better movie yeah right and that's the way to see

10:37

it i think you make a choice yeah yeah

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i'm so glad you're able share

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that forty x experience the

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movies still in theaters still doing gangbusters i'm

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gonna find time for for dmca to watch

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it because yeah it's it's a thorough right love i love

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it addictions watching

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it i'm one more bit

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the news or talked

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about lego had lego

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com this past week so

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as the lego house you know that big

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their big museum their headquarters museum

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of the have in with bill and in

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in the headquarters that right and it's and denmark

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there's is the famous

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architect is idea how to her very

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brick like in it's act in a

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sign a camp to a chapel joke

11:19

shop describing it i want or choice that

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made us about it and they were building it's free

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and the center of their staircase the time less

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yes exactly are you that's that's that thus

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of that building right the lego house yeah

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i'm and it's of the monuments all things

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lego it's exhibition is hi

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looks like lego sex the other but as is

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white walls around it is

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a you know kind weird shapes

11:43

there's vault there's bottom but they turn of

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saudi into of virtual convention

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and announcement assess including

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for their ninetieth anniversary they're

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bring back some redesigned classic

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sets including

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ah what does it take the ninetieth anniversary

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castle the lions late

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nights castle just a big one

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cadets i think four hundred bucks so it's

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it's as expensive as if it's four

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thousand five hundred pieces

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pieces luxembourg does it look it

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look another

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now but it must be big because

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my it the optimus prime is like

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a thousand pieces yeah and

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it as or in i think

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that's because

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when you when you had the old lego castles

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wealth kind of grew up if you're in the

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eighties you number the classic a

12:32

legal counsel sat with that the that we

12:34

all the flags with flagpoles the brim

12:36

of that's the browns sticks with a long

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way the flags but the walls were

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like individual brick pieces within

12:43

like molded walls right the silver

12:45

the gray walls here you're

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actually stalking bricks and there's exterior

12:51

brick details as actual like it's

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wait to the walls of and

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then the ramps and all this italy

12:57

pseudo foliage to this big

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place at that i believe also for them

13:02

so fall down for them to can be monolithic

13:04

castle as well as with interior

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and and rooms and courtyard

13:08

and and mode in i you know and and drawbridge

13:11

and everything it's cool as this

13:13

and the other when you're about to mention are non

13:16

license eyepiece like i love that they're

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making these expensive you know big

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deals out of classic lego

13:23

models love because is

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it is all about the imagination at

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that level it's not about borrowing someone

13:29

elses imagination by do have

13:31

loosened grips with said the other moments in is

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the the original spaceship the galaxy

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explore death they have revived it redesigned

13:39

it it's bigger has bigger thrusters

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has it's still kind of a saying he likes this

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is let's face , looked like

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from the eighties like a kid

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through this but side spin and

13:50

the back of this is totally like the homer

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right from a from simpsons like homer

13:55

simpson's drawing of spaceship

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it's betty station and

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this one what is it a

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hundred bucks the not

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bad thousand pieces now for

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it for a child of the eighties who is in our

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or can now with salary no problem but

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exactly or twelve hundred pieces for was

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your fifty four pieces and with

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these sets are really for children of the eighties or nostalgia

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there for adults and that's my kind

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gripe about this because the thing thing out of like

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a modern new take it i was gonna

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spend four hundred dollars on a

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castle was not something

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bill the lego

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castle it does then

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some time with my kids with

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modern lego and go views

14:38

are imagination and build a giant castle

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place it and you can't really do that the

14:43

castle place when because

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it doesn't have the modular wall it's all

14:48

just gray bricks like it's all it's

14:50

so many bricks so that you're building

14:53

these had had this this this preset

14:55

prefab design yeah if

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it was more about we're gonna give

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you a ton of these law ten of

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these that your roof pieces and

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for kids as then be able to

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pick that up in build a castle a small or

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big right and lot of the repeating

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elements as opposed to here's

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just a pile of bricks if

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you put it the other a certain way it look like castle

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there's something magical about something that

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very quickly you recognize just from the been

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of parts this is supposed be a cast

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right yeah i don't know

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why is everyone occurred to me

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that i'd wanna not follow the instructions

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so this so this new idea to me but

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oh i do understand that the

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each the rooms in their

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official castle should you choose to

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follow their direction tell

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the story that there's a lot of stories

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being told in that place at and

15:47

that's that could be flynn myself

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yeah we talked to some charles worth about these it all comes

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out he's begun to leg i

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think more so than even your eye and

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yeah he especially the space wanna bet

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he's excited about that oh yeah

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here here i have enough sonia by deadly will

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be talking sean and i believe

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i'm mad jetton also begun

16:06

a lego resort builders in be around

16:08

and now might put my be chatting about that will see him

16:10

next ah try wealthy but buying

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this castle one of know it's it's

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a display peace the display

16:16

peace if like really this huge

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expensive monument to

16:22

hyper of lego nostalgia i boy what you

16:24

is bigger part in build more

16:27

castles ended up you might i be better

16:29

off with the with smaller sets

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yeah for building castles anyway

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that's the lego news any anything anything world pinball

16:37

and v new a toy story four was

16:39

announced ooh that's an interesting

16:42

ip isn't it i mean

16:45

you , it's is toy story for because that's

16:47

when they could get or the toy story for because

16:50

that's the one with forty

16:53

and the

16:56

newest it i was just because it's newest

16:58

is jersey jack a so

17:00

i don't i have no idea they had

17:02

a relationship with disney cars they did pirates of the caribbean

17:05

and this is a design

17:08

i'm that has been in the works

17:10

reportedly for about three years which

17:12

is kind of a law an eternity

17:14

in pinball terms usually games you

17:16

know take a year and half a

17:19

and so who knows this knows this

17:21

a by a very famous designer and

17:24

but nobody kind outside jersey

17:26

actually him to understand why they didn't just go with

17:28

toy story just a generic toy

17:30

story just what you know envelop

17:32

all for the films or even just

17:34

the first film because lot of there's been

17:36

a lot success and

17:38

doing drawbacks of original films

17:41

but i know they toy story for

17:43

and i guess you know that there's

17:45

videos out there and no one's really played yet

17:47

others actually that's not entirely true but it's

17:49

not for sale yet the in another was you

17:51

can't

17:52

one yet but , be

17:54

used to play when it comes out the scissors curious thing

17:56

to history for don't know

18:00

in choice or for there is a pinball machine they

18:02

go inside that survey that's one of the reason is

18:04

this is not that involve mushy room

18:06

i think yeah tic yes but i know it's

18:08

not know but there is that game in

18:10

it in into his in the pinball games

18:12

or that there's a screen and the upper left

18:15

that looks like you can unlock

18:17

like he many pinball and play

18:19

that on the screen like video pinball

18:21

version of that

18:22

my god they're they gabby gabby

18:24

that comes out from under the table

18:26

very much like a troll live in medieval

18:28

madness but so people don't know

18:31

to his toy for they just think that's cute girl bash

18:34

your head feels a little strange them

18:36

sees the film was were me as i feel sorry for

18:39

dummies right racially her

18:41

henchmen right ear recap

18:44

ah your the cat yeah the

18:46

blown out so there's also the carnival

18:48

theme is there and sorcery

18:51

for with that old rival lights were

18:53

that is with the one compelling aspect

18:55

like because it's designed by pat lawler

18:58

he did whirlwind and addams family

19:00

in twilight zone brief famous designer

19:02

and he and he it going back to the early

19:04

days of of williams valid pinball he kind

19:06

the big got a carnival

19:08

things like that was a big thing for them so

19:11

i can sort of see the throwback to that why

19:13

might want the user and there

19:15

is that element of again but no

19:17

don't know it's i'll be curious to play is

19:20

, looks looks like did they get

19:22

ramp or you couldn't launch

19:24

off of it like a kiana reasons character

19:26

yes yeah the daredevil so yeah like

19:28

him and you i found out the ball yeah

19:32

so , that's the biggest news and pinball be

19:34

curious to play that in new jersey jack releases

19:36

of releases game once in blue moon so it's always

19:39

fun see with the have up their sleeve bobo

19:41

bobo bobo i love so sorry for

19:44

i know you do add imus i

19:46

read it is the least popular

19:49

toys doj film according to asians poll

19:52

there later your review

19:54

ah like i

19:56

understand it either them must say

19:58

had people rigged like a bus the toy

20:00

stories numb and think the life percent people

20:02

said to his way for i b that's right my now

20:05

jerry and went over well they're poll

20:07

is wrong if organ a rank them because toy

20:09

story two is the best way ban

20:11

it in a driver yakking as

20:13

, are right correcting the name

20:16

to is the best rf

20:18

and then one and then three and and for

20:20

that would be my order but i think you feel differently

20:23

you are very moved by three when

20:25

was my wife's it wasn't for as but i think my

20:27

order would be god

20:31

yeah theory that the best in terms

20:33

of what moved me maybe changes over time one

20:37

the special place my heart for one you

20:40

can we watch one so many times but that's right

20:42

i don't either but when one is thrilling

20:45

i don't feel the

20:47

thing that made want feel is want

20:49

to feel something for

20:53

makes me feel three boys me it's

20:55

of the two three and four make

20:57

you cry feel wow one is

20:59

one of joy sometimes

21:01

i'm not looking for joy

21:04

a professor at yeah

21:06

, a good organ one i really like that are

21:08

like service the turn that would he takes

21:10

it out at the emirates and bus

21:13

thinking he's a real ask you know

21:15

yes spill fifth race ranger

21:17

and that is nothing that beats nothing they

21:19

had to bring that back in three because was so

21:22

good

21:23

i did it also awareness of like the trials

21:25

and tribulations they went through to get

21:27

to each of those ray remember

21:29

why me view dot by the scenes

21:31

movies that on dizzy plus there's a see others

21:33

a nice for suspect him as the making of

21:35

light year but it's really kind of the making

21:37

of the buzz lightyear character as

21:39

a whole where they go into pics archives and sixty

21:42

while the old drawings of what buys used to

21:44

be as well no the woody store you think a

21:46

ginormous intracoastal like it

21:48

is very hateful spiteful and the the

21:50

breakthrough with what he was make him insecure

21:52

what are what a genius and revelation rights

21:56

or buyers that the formation

21:58

of buzz and buzz and they the zeke

22:00

of by the the connection him being an

22:02

actual popular toy in the real world

22:05

that is a cool journey and

22:07

and to of course you the whole story in

22:09

saga busy making to on

22:11

their own before they bought pixar

22:13

and then pixar kind citing

22:15

the sell themselves disney and be acquired

22:17

so that and one the reasons the reasons could make

22:19

to and make the best

22:21

people you know alongside godfather to

22:24

of all time i and how can maverick spend

22:26

our time i've

22:29

and then three like

22:32

was she to jones at some point working

22:34

on writing three sons right yeah

22:36

and and three i

22:39

think you see the maturity of the

22:41

the a the writers and artists it's

22:43

just cooley who directed three or know

22:45

he did for i'm sorry for [unk] yeah three

22:49

and think there's a lot of three there

22:52

are couple things that bug me about three one

22:54

i think they do rehash some of story lines

22:56

like a lot so he's

22:58

storylines very somewhere i think

23:01

to ah so jesse's

23:04

into that

23:05

is maternal better because abandoned by child

23:07

exactly right but doesn't have

23:09

that montage right hit

23:11

rice the lab and sarah mclaughlin makes

23:13

cry matters yes i n

23:16

three

23:19

everyone claims on that horrid

23:21

scary seen whether they're all clutch each

23:23

other and their about us you know go into the

23:25

trash disposal that got up on life pretty

23:27

much yeah and i don't like that seen

23:29

snow and ice on nor do i think

23:31

that's like the most powerful seeds was

23:33

oh my god the god the refer that one i actually

23:35

don't like you're talking about once is the anything

23:37

mystically and they seek the ending cf

23:39

with this isn't the same the the landed

23:42

on his the whole movie was gets one points

23:44

it was for andy to talk about

23:47

they are and until can have sought mother's see

23:49

i memory i never you really like as in the

23:51

talking about

23:53

toy met the him while they are they're watching

23:55

him and the i can't see a thing that

23:58

stroke of genius like

24:02

the quickly fish rom episode where

24:04

i like the there you see like

24:06

the the families receive little parents are all

24:08

sleep washing or for the whole time like

24:11

and and are taking care her she has no it

24:13

like there's that there's that like the one

24:15

way right there anyway yeah

24:18

and there's passing of the torch and you

24:20

know it if sense of like rite of passage

24:22

and yes yes passing from used to

24:25

a young adulthood and yet then there

24:27

will always be more young people

24:29

yeah yeah that there's always that in the universe

24:31

and i like that it's it's beautiful and

24:33

i think for dot me most

24:36

don't talk about this watching it as

24:38

a parent because it's so

24:40

clear that toys are these

24:43

that the toys are we are these these metaphors

24:45

for for paired figures as

24:47

what you the

24:48

didn't have companion funds of companion but

24:50

he was in have any to have a

24:52

dad and toy story one

24:54

and body to care of him to didn't just kind

24:56

of play with him a kind

24:58

of raised him or saw himself raising

25:01

him and , this great monologue

25:03

when he's walking with forty

25:05

down the road girl the one or to sing along

25:07

saw his flick two guys walking he's

25:10

talking explain whole story and

25:12

he explains how

25:15

andy grows up and these

25:17

kids they grow up and one

25:19

day they'll have life of their

25:21

own and they'll do things you'll never see and

25:24

that's like that's like being parent

25:26

right that's interesting yeah i'm

25:28

in i don't think i've seen that more than once

25:31

which , speak to how old my

25:33

kids gotten that they haven't wanted to go

25:36

back to that or maybe just that my youngest

25:38

wasn't super into it i

25:40

should watch for again it asserts of the for

25:42

of visuals for the you remember being on dot

25:45

drop dead gorgeous so what

25:47

it it's fake an amorphous one thing the

25:49

right there they as and they

25:51

had some is great hdr to is

25:53

inside that antique shops you

25:55

have these credible

25:57

highlights or on these the under the the vm

25:59

the

26:00

the sky lights on on the back a cat

26:02

right yes particles the air spray

26:04

it really felt like real place and

26:07

that carnival he had all the all

26:09

the focus with your

26:11

can an amorphous okay in the back with

26:13

all this your love for toy story yet

26:16

you haven't seen like

26:17

they're norm i'd what

26:20

does that say i mean i don't know as

26:22

as it gets him allen had voiced muslim

26:24

joe it as you have been in the theater i don't

26:26

know the i

26:28

got sick kids that actually i

26:30

thought he was gonna take it a n n

26:34

i'm i'm sure i'm gonna like lot like year from

26:36

i've heard it's a love letter science fiction

26:39

c o to go made by science fiction fans yeah

26:42

i saw it is definitely that is that

26:44

me that and it the premise is not

26:46

revealed in the trailers which is they reveal

26:48

to you that's the first thing you see it's tax

26:50

on the screen and that's cool i think

26:52

you'll like that okay i'm

26:55

looking forward to it i mean

26:58

when i wish they really so dizzy plus i wasn't happy

27:00

pay twenty dollars for of the

27:02

premier access wherever they call it says

27:04

was at home

27:05

but

27:24

anyway we got long enough to bury

27:26

the lead we , on the show a sweet

27:28

because justice we were recording sexy

27:30

on monday but

27:32

just today as recording this we

27:35

ah drop our video where

27:38

i went hands on that

27:42

reality labs research which is

27:45

facebook slash matters research

27:47

department read up or they have

27:49

have of front offices but it's

27:51

where are they have many different divisions

27:53

working on

27:55

different aspects of virtual reality and augmented

27:57

reality and i got embed

28:00

one day in their display

28:03

systems resource departments

28:05

and check out prototype vr headsets

28:07

that they announced this week

28:10

that they announced what did they can have

28:12

revealed right that they even that they've shown

28:15

that they've been working on for years now

28:17

yeah in and you know that the funny thing is the

28:20

for headset i tried like

28:24

two of them are want say you can see

28:26

why papers you can see blog posts

28:28

about them from in right

28:30

for five years ago like out on one

28:32

we solve it elway paper years ago

28:34

right even the or even hello cake even even

28:37

the other the the thin and light one

28:39

i worth and the video it was something

28:41

that was shown in twenty twenty

28:43

they are shown meeting you know they had the radio

28:46

reported it said everly announced it some

28:48

of what you saw him and that they

28:50

talked about the day we saw it

28:52

i can connect and twenty ninth

28:54

i did a very vocal stuff have don't stuff

28:56

certainly we've we've seen that seen

28:58

any like on upon in pride in i'm not

29:00

rush presentation on stage not in person but

29:02

were no way different than what you saw it

29:05

as these as prototypes that they're that they wanted

29:07

to talk about they shared with

29:09

the internet today the

29:12

you're the only one that went up and actually had

29:14

hands on with almost

29:17

all of them

29:18

i think even know everything right i did

29:20

not everything on wall so

29:22

in in the lab says up in up in

29:24

redmen hair washington

29:27

and where is your they talked about

29:29

a crazy travel week so give you

29:31

a little bit of inside baseball ah

29:33

we've been talking to met pr

29:36

about this they offered us

29:38

the exclusive , on time

29:40

with this and told us that nobody

29:43

or it will all be and or embargo because they were gonna

29:45

announce the news of this news of arm

29:48

and the timing was very tight for this

29:50

to work and so there is a

29:53

we can half period where i

29:55

drove down family too sour celebration

29:57

for memorial day weekend burrow

30:00

back with family on ,

30:03

day the very next day gotten plane

30:05

and fluids redman then

30:08

spend day there then flew

30:10

back the man down

30:13

two months or palooza down in pasadena

30:15

for an afternoon before going on a red eye

30:18

flight to wash in d c

30:20

to do some videos were tested at the smithsonian

30:23

and was top gun and was top gun

30:25

and then flew back then did interview

30:27

with mark zuckerberg have remotely

30:30

in studio to set up at home here you are

30:32

busy man norman chan and they

30:34

added up peace and else on internet a

30:36

set a find a way

30:38

eat your interview with mark zuckerberg yeah

30:42

this law you get streak read from

30:44

my fifteen year old who walked this room and

30:46

and looked the strain of his mouth drops

30:49

his , interviewing marks zoc the

30:51

first assess i couldn't believe it so

30:53

apparently that means something so well

30:55

done nothing but

30:58

you need dire mark zuckerberg to manager

31:01

audio video because his audio was

31:03

freaking good and

31:05

he was well way it's him yeah yeah oh it's

31:07

i'll you the people working for you figure

31:10

i'd figure think he think think he has some people were could form

31:12

yeah yeah i guess you know if i got worked for

31:14

me since i have

31:16

it was it me add identical

31:19

help me set up cameras in the and it was for

31:21

office

31:22

yeah which are we as we got the

31:24

call a mark zuckerberg compliments

31:26

of the office or asked me oh experience

31:28

very nice you know maybe wasn't interested but you know the

31:31

you know he asked about shelves and as if my

31:33

wife deanna cause work office and she

31:35

has its her stuff for her the sub she

31:37

makes a i legitimately

31:39

want to know what what what is my setup was

31:41

though because we had no lapel on and wasn't

31:43

using earbuds it was some sort of boom

31:45

mean have you been off camera yeah

31:47

it was nice is it was real nice and the to

31:49

camera setup right oh let's talk to with production

31:51

team because we a pre call talk about how the

31:53

camera setups would be a cause we

31:56

did the technically over a zoom technically like

31:58

a yoga videos call and by

32:00

we recorded the video locally and then

32:03

he the guess had forty foot is our quarter

32:05

for case with you angles and

32:07

then yeah

32:08

reda a , of it did

32:10

you guys look in the camera because you

32:12

looked like you were looking mit making eye

32:14

contact but of course you weren't looking at the zoom

32:17

be or also been looking off camera and

32:19

this something that people that figure out reproductions

32:21

to figure out who do are more interviews interviews

32:24

you seem different ways that people dermal

32:26

interviews ah interviews

32:28

believe he had believe proper set up

32:31

or where could see was good he could see

32:33

through it wasn't for taxi wasn't for a script

32:35

anything sale but where he could look at the

32:37

image of my face and look

32:40

it off into the image or and

32:42

then but actually that's where the camera lens

32:44

was and that they were using you

32:46

know just i've tried nice my sony

32:48

fx six said cameras you know

32:50

like the our highest quality camera we

32:52

have detested office was just their standard

32:54

webcam fry odds

32:57

and i had the same or similar projects

32:59

are using this camera this used for podcasting

33:02

and podcasting i have above it where

33:04

i was mirroring my laptop

33:07

so i could see his face m

33:10

i've trained myself over the course of doing these

33:12

videos and podcasting where i can look the lens

33:14

as i'm doing right now but

33:16

i can either

33:18

in my field of view like of i look

33:20

up glance up it's not too far

33:22

off i lied slam sense

33:24

if someone stopped talking i will i only anybody

33:26

thinks about that i mean honestly like i

33:29

think i'm asking you questions so in weeds that

33:31

nobody cares because i i i would

33:33

have never

33:35

mean the i never look at the camera like

33:37

that's something i don't even think to do that's very

33:39

professional the i'd my albeit a professional jerry

33:41

css essence i did have second camera

33:43

setup you know so we get across cots

33:45

and so in second camera

33:47

the

33:47

give the illusion i'm talking to laptop or

33:50

yellow they get your not the illusion but it gives it's

33:52

give them the on your skin into contacts

33:54

that i am looking at screen the

33:59

it could i wouldn't hobbies

34:00

on the same room thank you for the tangent that

34:02

satisfies my my need to know that

34:04

you know you the production for a while and so

34:06

so you've really got the test three new frontiers

34:08

he got the tests i'm therefore

34:11

collapses which

34:13

this is what in a movie l a screen

34:15

or or lenses i can move in

34:17

three d and allow you to focus on things

34:19

much clearer that are close

34:22

to then think that and is you got

34:24

to test hdr

34:25

then you get it has high resolution but all

34:27

on different headsets yeah yeah

34:31

oh gosh ah and the someone say about each

34:33

of those and i'm so

34:35

we're so therefore cool so why uses

34:37

half dome one which isn't even

34:40

they're late s u v or for

34:42

example but it's one they've had most

34:45

he either though most confident in terms of

34:47

their the engineering and you're one my take

34:49

away from it was there

34:51

the fearful series of prototypes

34:54

really was it is is a

34:56

perfect exemplar of how

34:58

fast they can iterate that

35:00

was year for them to go through

35:03

each of each prototype and

35:06

how competent they're

35:08

engineering team as cause if you've

35:10

talk to you know whether as young as a

35:12

dog or fill their

35:15

that the their these scientists these are guys pcs

35:17

who are have for off their who have studied

35:20

know how objects read the whole life

35:22

yeah but they're not necessarily electrical

35:25

engineers or mechanical engineers so

35:28

they come have an idea though do the math

35:30

for for the optics and for what they think

35:32

okay this idea can work it was smooth centimeter

35:35

of these lenses and we can shift

35:37

focus by this much those sketched out

35:39

and they had there's whole team that never

35:41

met a whole fabrication prototyping

35:44

new facility ever met of engineers

35:46

of hardware engineers who are than doing with three

35:48

modeling of them during the rapid prototyping

35:51

of using you know esl us printing

35:54

ah and generating and and sourcing

35:56

components writes some actually

35:58

make these physical products it's and multiple

36:00

versions of those so they have the

36:02

the team can then run their studies com

36:05

and they may only make me a

36:07

handful these and then move on snacks one i

36:10

was really struck by that how legitimately

36:12

the on frontier they are like

36:15

i'm not sure why facebook wanted to release

36:18

all this information it seems like that's a that's

36:20

a conversation we should have maybe in twenty

36:22

minutes so that that's it i know i

36:24

am serious about that but i

36:26

legitimately in watching this watching was struck

36:28

dead there

36:31

is no

36:33

oh there's nothing online they could that they're

36:35

improving on you know this this is not these are not

36:37

concepts that they are building and

36:40

and him and making better they

36:42

are trying to figure out how to do things that have never

36:44

been done before like how how do you solve

36:47

burdens competition virgins the no competition

36:49

conflict

36:52

they came up with two or three completely

36:54

different ways to go about it and

36:56

they're trying to figure will which one is less noisy which

36:58

ones was bulky which one takes less

37:00

power world is trade offs

37:02

and like they they can even theoretically

37:05

figure that out they have to build

37:07

and they build these prototype the

37:09

i'm as like and building the hdr

37:12

the screen like that is something

37:14

that nobody's other for magazine putting

37:17

the making

37:18

and not in a vr headset i mean at least

37:20

according to them they believe that that is the only

37:22

hdr headset and existence well hdr

37:24

of spectrum right like you t v is called

37:26

association article thousand nits if you listen to

37:29

a was your me at valve

37:31

he did of talk years ago about that they had

37:33

made a if your prototype and he couldn't

37:35

go back to anything but dunno how many knits that

37:37

was so i'd love to chat with valve at some point talk

37:39

about their prototypes with hdr

37:41

so it's these are known problems i think with people studying

37:44

we are i think that it's just

37:46

about who has a [unk]

37:47

who wants to invest enough resources and

37:49

give enough runway for these are

37:51

the teams to try different approaches

37:54

right and barefoot was a great example because you

37:56

saw three or four

37:58

different mechanical the solutions

38:01

right from speaker style solution

38:03

sir solution that work well in only

38:06

if you're laying it only if you weren't you know

38:08

or a by using gravity right lab

38:11

or where have i got a

38:13

, system i

38:16

can flex your system paint rightly always

38:18

it mchale solutions for like you said wait and

38:20

for wait and are and then

38:22

were able to pivot completely and fine the

38:26

electronic solution with polarizers

38:28

with that polarizers ah

38:30

and now the front

38:32

of and think it's try it i like to see was

38:34

like it worked in terms of like looking through

38:37

something on table and seeing focus

38:39

change as like the

38:41

this control board was switching with on offer

38:43

them the layers with thirty

38:45

two potential different layers exactly

38:47

and i saw the video as they are trying to figure out like

38:51

can that be smooth enough i can the transition

38:53

is to that you are the trade offs

38:55

of such that you don't lose

38:58

too much light

38:59

because how that would you combine that

39:01

with if you needed to reach a benchmark for

39:04

clarity and for brightness

39:06

right you were but which which solutions

39:08

gonna marry best with ah

39:11

something needs to be the profiles of

39:13

this whole like you know i'm consistently

39:16

have the and yeah though like

39:19

none of them felt like they

39:21

were the solution they are

39:23

all these acts these long

39:26

incredibly thought out built

39:28

an researched and tested

39:32

hat and explorations down

39:34

one way to solve it and if anything like

39:36

that that is my big

39:38

take away from today's news is

39:40

that

39:42

a long journey and go

39:44

and i almost felt like this video

39:46

was telling people you

39:49

know

39:49

hold your breath like we are in middle

39:52

of this research phase we

39:54

are nowhere near building the

39:56

you know the granddaddy vr

39:59

a are price in fact that is going have

40:01

mass market acceptance yeah anytime

40:04

before the end of the decade yeah yeah i

40:06

think that's true i also think

40:08

because of the fact that things are capital one

40:10

and their electronic focus

40:12

shifting about b that they'd shared these white papers

40:15

years ago now this point what

40:17

i saw while their new in a sense that

40:19

some this stuff is newly

40:22

cost newly shared there

40:24

was probably stuff

40:25

they put away that have not shown me in different parts

40:27

the lab yeah that are further along

40:29

the path these are not necessarily

40:32

their latest prototypes meeting

40:35

like the best stuff they have best working

40:37

stuff they have a downed of your

40:39

football past and think don't think they'll be

40:41

showing necessarily like barefoot

40:43

when talking so confidently as you saw

40:45

the court date about he thinks you know five or

40:47

six years during a seat it's

40:49

it is solvable problem if they

40:51

did like the space program have

40:53

a sense say that the masses there the

40:56

technology edo the that the

40:58

path is gonna be there these have

41:00

kind of walk down it i'm to

41:02

get there were these as their focal

41:04

may be solvable and five six years

41:06

but he didn't say the visual

41:09

turing test oh no dissolves

41:11

an end to suppose that

41:13

as the goal i , makes

41:15

this a very long term process this

41:17

is decades dick in this

41:19

this concept i think it's a compelling

41:21

thing to say the visual turing test

41:24

but that

41:26

in i'm glad that are all elsewhere

41:28

on the internet there's michael a brush you know

41:31

explaining and his words what he thinks

41:33

is a visual turned us and it is supposed

41:35

to be in in in his words

41:38

were not mean i'm paraphrasing you

41:41

can't tell the difference between virtual reality

41:43

and reality and and i

41:46

think that is he had better such

41:48

a hard cast

41:50

to to to achieve because

41:52

once you have to not only like

41:54

see an image and not really

41:56

no might not be able to tell if

41:59

it's real or not you're going to have

42:01

to also be so comfortable

42:04

that you you

42:07

might it they would be glass it's they were essentially

42:10

be something that you would use to view

42:12

the real world with otherwise

42:14

you go you're going to know that it's

42:16

that's probably are in likely virtual reality

42:19

yeah and and i'll be honest when i first

42:21

the order was first brought

42:23

up in then the briefing that

42:25

yeah that this this idea this phrase

42:28

the visual target as i've got my eyes like

42:30

like ah it's , we're

42:32

duct is it's like this simple the case

42:34

in a cat like has

42:36

it's catchy people under people have heard

42:38

the turing test in terms of mm

42:40

of a i saw like people

42:42

get that it's like a big challenge that gets us dislike

42:45

the sense of believe them believability

42:47

in it but it

42:50

also kind of it

42:52

does it address the fact that it even if

42:54

you get your point is one hell of the question is

42:56

like if you if you solve if even

42:58

if can achieve the

43:00

monumental technology challenge of

43:03

having having system that can present

43:05

imagery that indistinguishable from

43:08

the like photons hitting your eyes

43:10

was what they're saying it doesn't solve

43:12

the computation

43:14

or , rendering side of that equation

43:16

in terms what that content is is

43:19

in terms of believability first

43:22

plenty of content i believe is compelling

43:24

and believable in read

43:26

it in virtual reality rights

43:29

that doesn't need to look for

43:31

a real that's why as mark zuckerberg that this

43:33

does he believe it needs a look for a

43:35

real big right he does and

43:37

he thinks it does i i understand why things he does

43:39

because he even from his perspective

43:42

of light beam of the work in vr

43:44

have tells me kitchen and vr is and big

43:46

part of you know the company goal

43:49

than a bus talk about wanting to work in vr

43:52

forever but i

43:55

don't think it it as he gets it's it's

43:57

an album goal but i think i

43:59

don't want it's a

44:00

smith and want people to say okay we're

44:02

not gonna get to compelling vr

44:05

unless reach this because there's capella

44:07

vr today i think march probably

44:09

looks at the world and

44:11

is seems like bigger picture their eyes

44:13

because it think generally

44:16

casual users would like to see more

44:18

realistic imagery you know just like

44:20

it's just like with special effects they want the

44:22

option in movies to be

44:24

able to reproduce things that are indistinguishable

44:26

from reality and so that's what they think

44:28

they want i

44:30

think as pure people think they want

44:33

spread my bar for it is

44:35

more of i want to be less distracted

44:38

by the fact

44:39

that my brain knows it's

44:41

looking at screen and

44:43

the i think you're right you're right you're right and i'd only

44:45

the and i think that they probably

44:47

ignoring the the very

44:49

powerful

44:51

experience people have with today's technology

44:53

yeah you can and go east today

44:55

is nearing need today's technology go back the

44:57

afford their was advised before there was a rift

45:00

occupiers famously did internal

45:02

demos where they would have somebody down on

45:05

a plank that was our on top

45:07

of you know a big pit that

45:09

was textured with web graphics

45:12

who like website screenshots and

45:14

it's fell

45:15

the people like they were standing on

45:17

a plank above bit governing

45:19

web graphics and it was terrified you know

45:21

like you're using treat said lizard brain

45:23

reacts in them inside people with

45:25

no minimal graphic fidelity

45:27

says his i i'm with you i think it

45:30

would be nice in order to get all of things are talking about

45:32

higher resolution sdr bear focal this but

45:34

i don't think that it needs to look for reals and

45:36

it's totally fine if like it's i think is great

45:38

are obviously that there will spend the money and have

45:40

a team devoted and seems devoted

45:43

to pursuing display technology is an article

45:45

technologies to get there i just

45:47

want the public perception be that

45:49

the are isn't going to ever be ready until

45:51

reach that point right is clearly isn't the case

45:54

i i just think that that the idea of

45:56

this idea can't even imagine

45:58

the in food there's one

46:00

example in

46:02

ready player one the movie where that has

46:05

when surrender when kids packs

46:08

or and toes headset and they appear

46:10

in his office and he thinks

46:12

isn't reality they're actually

46:14

still in virtual reality and they

46:16

they talked him and they'd the other interrogate

46:18

him they get the information they need till he figures

46:20

out oh he's still and in vr he didn't

46:23

realize it that's what they're talking

46:25

about achieving and that

46:27

like that to me is yeah

46:29

i wonder if we'll get there in my lifetime

46:32

like honestly by the that is not something

46:34

that said i necessarily expect

46:37

i think it's it's an interesting goal and and maybe

46:39

we won't like the turing test was developed

46:41

was was coined nineteen fifty

46:44

and seventy years seventy two

46:46

years later now we have you know

46:48

a google engineer who says they

46:50

eyes achieve sentence and of everybody

46:53

says that's not true i'm going say that it

46:55

pass turing test for him like them as

46:57

that's important part writing for everybody but perception

47:00

example out of it doesn't say

47:02

anything about a i or

47:04

a sentence consciousness exactly was more

47:06

about the i had be holder and whether the person

47:08

can be for right

47:11

yeah it'd no i i dunno if i i dunno we'll

47:13

get there are not in my lifetime maybe maybe not

47:15

but does your senses jeremy as you get older

47:18

you become less perceptive

47:20

in all your in all your senses resolutions

47:22

i've already lowered rather listen said yes

47:24

i raised the , because

47:27

lowered fss as but

47:29

i do i tell do i about tell me about

47:31

which like that now that you've experienced

47:33

them as sounded like aids the are made big impact

47:35

on you do if you could have

47:38

if you could him he put all your resources

47:40

into one of those aspects for the quest

47:43

three which would be affected

47:47

a era privee i mean it

47:49

be resolution first i am to the resolution

47:51

as well as it's a it's

47:53

another place where they feel confident there's gonna be

47:55

the incremental improvements and

47:57

we have the barrio

47:59

had

48:00

the we've used today riot where

48:02

the even even their arrow which is there

48:04

are more for super targeted one has

48:06

thirty five pbt and i play have like alice

48:08

on it's spend some time in any

48:10

games of incredible and everything

48:12

looks so ridiculously sharp two

48:14

point where i'm not i'm not thinking about

48:16

like this phrase someone that i never want

48:18

have think about screen door effect ever again

48:21

and when people say oh that verse lcd

48:23

lcd and and pixel pics or arrangements

48:26

these are things that we never won at the think about

48:28

the and which i think like you look at phone

48:31

talk about phone screens and said we always about

48:33

brightness of a contrasts but no one's

48:35

talking about you know has how arrangement

48:37

of oled panels on phones

48:39

versus an lcd know or

48:41

arrangement there just chris the sharp

48:43

and they look like the the under

48:45

right and that you can't see pixels

48:47

that kind of where the old were vr

48:50

i feel like is heading

48:53

leah the the retina display want to

48:55

was really interesting because he i could from

48:57

that knobs on video answer fifty

48:59

four point five almost fifty five beauty

49:01

and so this was a three thousand my three thousand and

49:03

pixel display

49:05

, use some soviet rendering it's

49:08

not you soviet rendering soviet it's hi rez everywhere

49:11

hi rez everywhere it also did not use super

49:13

sampling specific else i asked about like

49:15

those early rendering of a ton for

49:17

of these three thousand three thousand and sproule the narrower

49:20

feel the view right so you know the way they

49:22

got to it if you think of the the

49:24

quest to displays or what twenty one hundred

49:26

obviously thou

49:28

them he falls or

49:31

donnelly i've there or

49:33

is it isn't that case it's twenty ppd

49:36

so you get three times that

49:38

that half the field of view but one point five times

49:40

the the of the number of pixels

49:42

on and so that's how you got almost

49:45

three times the the pixels

49:47

per to agree and

49:51

i'll tell you it was hard for a house

49:53

hard pressed over

49:56

here in the for had minutes hard

49:58

pressed huh

50:01

from the content those present from

50:03

me ice browsing the web web page

50:05

and will get this rendered rooms the difference

50:07

once you got past thirty five

50:09

forty ppd between forty and

50:11

fifty five or smoke sharp sharp

50:14

at that point elmo those noticing like you

50:16

know the reason class lenses because it

50:18

was real optical clarity you could

50:20

still see a little bit of

50:24

what what what is it not

50:27

, a little bit chromatic aberration slight

50:29

little bit chrome os as notice you more optical

50:32

obstacle distortion i was

50:34

like any or anything on the national panel

50:36

self but was very similar to

50:38

when was using like that barrio arrow your

50:40

headset were almost like textures look amazing

50:43

it was like drinking coffee and like all everything

50:45

so sharp i can can read all those texts

50:49

and did have you any extra

50:52

processing on that web browser for

50:54

referential you think this was crisp

50:56

and right there

50:58

so yes obviously want get

51:00

that and i feel like that's gonna be more she wore them

51:02

the str although of hdr was

51:06

that now was there the

51:08

we're line between something

51:11

i've seen in vr and can mentally

51:13

comprehend in something that until

51:15

you try it

51:16

you don't know you're missing how hi rez was that

51:18

screen it does he use for hdr not

51:21

as heroes by quest level it was

51:23

it was solid ruff level so

51:26

he , an interview that this i

51:28

don't have included this have the at it but

51:30

you know they talked about how much like

51:32

doesn't get through

51:34

mostly most of all it's it's

51:36

like one percent gets through yeah

51:39

on a standard display which is shocking

51:41

right when you have a backlight

51:43

and

51:44

you would you want to blow out the you want to have

51:46

light bleed but when is calibrated

51:49

know you only get about one percent efficiency

51:52

for the backlight is kind crazy

51:54

and fact that suggests the cr

51:57

they were using an lcd panel the

52:00

the wanted contrasts

52:02

fleeing double the dot the

52:04

to else cities and one was mano

52:07

lcd the same kind for

52:09

a resin printer which is like the

52:11

coolest nord out thing they're using amano

52:14

hi rez or lcds that

52:16

lord sauce for quite a contrast

52:18

later apparently this is how like

52:20

a production like editing video

52:22

proxy editing lcd the as apple cinema

52:25

display type things are know what sony

52:27

cells in the the film editing world

52:29

if you want that real hdr

52:31

below bright but you also want the contrast

52:33

is actually is actually bright backlight

52:35

for the of two layers of of

52:37

panels one interstellar and one for contrast

52:40

a black contrast layer additionally

52:43

reduces how much light passes

52:45

through the would like one

52:47

that i don't have exact numbers those base another order

52:50

of magnitude wasn't just one for sunday

52:52

was like point one percent of

52:54

a light coming through and

52:56

that's why they needed a sensor these incredibly

52:59

bright new car headlamp lads

53:02

same legit out of my are using the light up our

53:04

razor crest was those

53:07

just

53:09

laughing through directly behind the panels

53:11

roughly behind the panels and it was like blinding

53:13

says you know it is filter and and spirit

53:16

see that the inside that headset was

53:18

coated in like essentially know

53:20

vance black cel materials the right no

53:22

likely to press the feel like this is

53:24

the subway have access to right leg oh what

53:26

they're thinking of how can we test

53:29

how to make a cr or how will we

53:31

get with can't use for now lenses

53:33

because you can't have any god raises a

53:35

at a three different of their own heat sink

53:37

right with no yes with metal

53:39

filament or something like is it the easier yes

53:41

a lot yes basically it's like this interwoven

53:44

lease of us have a frame

53:47

that the the ran my

53:49

and the power supply like it

53:51

look like you know these courts coming out

53:54

of each eyeball yeah though that went

53:56

up to the the chain on the slick

53:58

five pound thing and they have the to

54:00

knob like power supplies to increase

54:03

the voltage other other the legs

54:05

and the whole thing has his handles on the site

54:07

says it it must be considerably heavy

54:09

because that's how you're holding it up a minute

54:11

is it has the look of prototype

54:13

and yet where he has and also very

54:16

early days of because like

54:18

vet that is the

54:19

it's not unlike you know images of people in nineteen

54:22

ninety fighting to darryl packed a

54:24

pterodactyl like fifteen frames a second you know

54:26

like with a big thing on their head that supported

54:28

by cables because they're too heavy like

54:31

it it is definitely a prototype and

54:33

nowhere near a practical production design

54:36

but it's it's interesting to to

54:38

be able to see to experience with

54:40

hdr the effects of hdr and

54:42

sounds like that's a very

54:44

big difference for you even at current resolutions

54:47

are lower resolutions it was big

54:49

it

54:50

was ill twenty the twenty thousand it's

54:52

right which if you know we're talking looking

54:54

at a loss it is a lot compared

54:56

to your tv your your thousand debt

54:59

two thousand and net str tv would yeah

55:01

looks great for image but the real world

55:03

like not looking up sign somewhat looking at like

55:05

sidewalk with light bouncing that's like

55:07

hundreds of thousands of the their can rent that still

55:10

right or they will have issued higher it sounded

55:12

like they wanted to reproduce interior realism

55:15

yes but the devils a show me had like

55:17

if like know the lights bright shining

55:19

that we say like seeds might say on us

55:21

chrome ball but they show me see our

55:23

image you're busy photo with

55:25

is your meditator ah of

55:27

a of sunset golden hour and

55:30

it was true that i always

55:32

how explain the video the video this illusion

55:35

of depth there was more jack

55:37

to the image because he

55:39

in the highlights in place that normally would

55:41

be flattened washed out there i

55:44

, to see a gradient of

55:46

luminance it must have

55:48

made like our mad at some point

55:51

but light hdr so bright that it

55:53

does cause you're iris to respond

55:55

in a way that tvs and cell phones

55:58

or just don't yeah the that

56:00

that must be a part of that

56:03

you know brain mechanism that creates sense

56:05

of depth physiologically i felt my

56:07

eyes adjusting to it yeah she's really

56:09

cool

56:10

i felt my eyes not squinting

56:12

at it but like just naturally the

56:15

subtle ways in which your eyes adjust

56:17

he had when the when the a light is on persuaded

56:19

thoughts and made me think about know the classic

56:21

the exposure shift when like it

56:23

or in movie where you're opening your inside

56:25

your opening a door you from you walking outside

56:28

and that you that exposure as completely adjust

56:30

it right like in video games

56:33

as complete emulated right it's

56:35

a huge tricking your brain okay

56:37

your your your natural faded circulate

56:39

every every video game has that moment you

56:41

yeah open door you're going on the

56:43

brightest world bioshock mix and i'm

56:45

thinking of the here you can actually do that

56:48

not you can do enough

56:52

the more believable way but you still need

56:54

the videogame illusion

56:59

the the compensate

57:01

for that that

57:02

you believe the graphics are actually

57:05

in software change

57:07

exposure the

57:09

fake to do the fake exposure change

57:12

because it's not brighton right

57:14

that makes sense yeah yeah

57:17

i mean the as scale i'm sure

57:19

that they could

57:21

it would still be more impressive than the current

57:23

no no technologies and i'll buy

57:25

i think that's a both that and therefore whole

57:27

life again fearful call i

57:29

haven't seen it you know if in my mind

57:32

i was imagining would like a rak

57:34

focusing more noise who they render

57:36

the game flat because you don't need

57:38

to do fake the focusing

57:40

the background there's you let lending

57:43

actually take care of that right where

57:46

where if it but you actually see the

57:48

the game doesn't know the way design

57:50

at the game as know that the lenses are fearful

57:52

was all done in the composer and composer sdk

57:56

you're still assisted by you

57:59

know these are this all lending

58:01

elements these the did the blurring in

58:03

the software the

58:06

army can sell my eye tracking in addition

58:08

so lenses actually d focusing

58:11

what's on the panels right yeah

58:13

am i didn't have as that makes sense it

58:16

feels feels much like like

58:19

apple's them

58:21

apples experiments with thought

58:23

where they call their photography programmatic photography

58:25

computation of the opposite but i don't like that that

58:28

is going to be a huge boon to

58:30

apple the to build fly that research

58:32

to this kind of technology assuming

58:34

that apple has that the know is developing along

58:36

the same lines

58:38

yeah and the very and that

58:40

that last had

58:44

hey let's start show for

58:46

thursday june twenty

58:49

third or twenty twenty two welcomes

58:51

you this is only tests this is a podcast

58:54

of tested

59:12

hello and

59:14

welcome to the podcast this week i

59:17

am a norm and we are back

59:19

from brief hiatus

59:22

last week we are off shore was traveling

59:24

he was back home with some family and

59:27

i had well family of my own

59:29

to deal with not deal with the

59:31

take care of to spend time with

59:33

i too sick children we had a stomach

59:35

flu or go around the household

59:37

so unfortunately no

59:39

podcast last week but

59:41

as i promised on twitter we

59:44

have special episode this week because

59:46

joining me for a i do a

59:48

cast is none other than

59:51

jeremy williams formerly

59:54

of this paris jeremy williams

59:56

i do jeremy a norm i

59:59

the

1:00:00

hoped you'd never i mean i thought you'd never ask a

1:00:04

few hopefully for pass fail they were

1:00:06

assessed no

1:00:08

i'd rather be is gonna be back years if i can remember

1:00:10

how this thing works ah yes

1:00:12

podcasting i say can i

1:00:15

have prior takes i have missed this

1:00:17

and there's plenty to talk about the days osx

1:00:19

happy to be as thanks to the invitation

1:00:21

oh no i appreciate you joining

1:00:23

animals is lubricates up it's gonna

1:00:25

be as you see in headline

1:00:28

and we're going to be talking about lot of vr i'm

1:00:30

wearing wearing shirt for vr at

1:00:32

gym you bring out the best vr talk in

1:00:34

me some so glad you're here this week

1:00:36

but how's how's life been in game development

1:00:38

world and and in in your

1:00:41

miss world all immersive i'm loving

1:00:43

it as the i work with some old curmudgeon to

1:00:45

been doing this their whole careers and and

1:00:47

they seem like they

1:00:48

they're happy to have a weekend and and

1:00:50

i'm still just like every minute is just

1:00:53

your joy i'm i'm loving it

1:00:56

im working on project i cannot yet

1:00:58

talk about sadly fight

1:01:00

it is it is they do

1:01:02

they were labor of love and i'm

1:01:04

i'm not life right now it is a good time

1:01:07

that's

1:01:07

bit harder and if work can be a labor of love

1:01:10

and you're like you i think the

1:01:12

last time ula final episode final

1:01:14

regular episode with us you talk about waking up

1:01:16

every morning thinking about

1:01:18

this type work i've is as still

1:01:20

the case

1:01:22

then the now you you found calling

1:01:24

and we can be happier for you i'm and

1:01:26

also you know from the last time you

1:01:28

got lot great well wishers from

1:01:30

wishers from

1:01:32

right yeah l there was moving

1:01:34

day because i had no idea more

1:01:36

than ten twelve people as

1:01:39

ssssss a idea even

1:01:41

what my name was let alone said they would

1:01:43

enjoy my presence on this podcast that

1:01:45

was very appreciated a crusade every one

1:01:47

of your comments thank you very much com

1:01:50

yeah that i told my wife it's kind of

1:01:52

thing that most people don't get the here until

1:01:54

they did they children died while

1:01:57

yeah so that was that nice mean

1:01:59

a nice of huge

1:02:00

the while enjoying celebration of life

1:02:02

he already so why for living yes

1:02:05

well it's happy day for those folks i can

1:02:07

give i sure you more than dozen

1:02:09

or so maybe not yet not

1:02:11

orders of magnitude but will have multiples

1:02:14

yeah we'll call it's of and

1:02:16

before we get into the along

1:02:18

main topic discussion you're also

1:02:20

one of few people i know that's finally

1:02:22

also finally it's like millions

1:02:24

people seen a meal at dozens of times they'll

1:02:27

talk on maverick we haven't really talked about on the

1:02:29

shelf and breaking all records

1:02:31

it's rice oh yeah it's gonna make

1:02:33

billion dollars share me it's by far

1:02:35

and away my tom cruise tom cruise successful

1:02:38

movie it is i think we've

1:02:40

only one of the war films

1:02:43

now have made over forty million

1:02:45

dollars and wide release on fourth weekend

1:02:48

is among the ranks of force awakens

1:02:50

and black panther an avatar ah

1:02:52

and it still may be making more money it's

1:02:55

in

1:02:56

a credible the success of this film

1:02:58

but you saw in

1:03:01

full rumble for

1:03:03

d x it's not just rumble it's

1:03:06

rumble it's you have four chairs

1:03:08

they're all connected on the same contraption

1:03:10

that have actuators beneath the seats

1:03:13

so they all move sort like a motion

1:03:15

control disney ride yeah and

1:03:17

then occasionally you get a little

1:03:19

extra actual you know effects

1:03:22

added to the theater like

1:03:24

there are strobe lights so you might see some flashing

1:03:26

up above

1:03:28

the cave two times two three times

1:03:30

in in the movie you see smoke emitted

1:03:32

from know nice of the theater foggy

1:03:35

up the out occasionally three in the film

1:03:37

water is sprayed on you

1:03:40

from holes in the back of the seat

1:03:42

in front of you please tell me was the for

1:03:44

forcing on the beach notice

1:03:47

if no if no wasn't enough

1:03:49

that had been fine like you know little sweat

1:03:51

right like the i am i an off their bodies over

1:03:53

that mainly it was the boat seen ah

1:03:55

okay and then most

1:03:58

impressive the and by pressing i

1:04:00

mean like the audience

1:04:02

in of in a moment that was supposed to be

1:04:04

the number and concerning the audience

1:04:06

erupted in laughter because

1:04:09

of eat of eat point is in the theater

1:04:12

the

1:04:12

ceiling you heard the really things

1:04:15

like spin up and then all the snow

1:04:17

starts to fall down from

1:04:20

, sky onto everybody's

1:04:22

i don't really see an indoor

1:04:24

snow me see ya in a saw

1:04:26

in a in serious moment get by couple

1:04:28

hundred of them memorable towards them the film like they

1:04:30

are as know vs the iter and

1:04:33

sounded supposed to add to this

1:04:35

he i don't know what it's supposed to do man but

1:04:38

it it's it's it's the kind

1:04:40

of thing that did says it for fun

1:04:42

i suppose i on nestle recommend

1:04:45

like see and movie that you care about in

1:04:47

forty x but it was interesting

1:04:49

see what they do and i wonder if the box

1:04:51

office records that you're mentioning aren't because

1:04:54

the

1:04:54

ticket prices are potentially

1:04:57

much more expensive now for experiences

1:04:59

like this i think this is probably twenty dollars

1:05:02

yen and they're and they're of

1:05:04

the at the large format

1:05:06

the right this was not released three d there

1:05:08

wasn't any thirty up self centered i

1:05:10

was deathly a large format sell so

1:05:13

of the big imax movie that yeah home with search

1:05:15

shot when surf i max cameras

1:05:17

mounted in the cockpits of of

1:05:19

these planes with lease when navy ah

1:05:21

be of that least time on right the next

1:05:23

we fly the weren't tom cruise when not allowed

1:05:26

to fly and his actual military

1:05:28

, i accept that plane

1:05:30

at the end they flies in one is

1:05:32

repairing that his his personal life

1:05:34

mustang that he flew for a final shots

1:05:37

that's that with tom cruise and plane that is

1:05:39

tom cruise is claim wow and

1:05:41

it's him and jennifer connelly lying

1:05:43

and actually him yet because it has his

1:05:45

sights ethically said a bushel

1:05:47

of film was shot or a training base or something

1:05:50

or a big airfield that they airfield that

1:05:52

out and he flew

1:05:54

on set

1:05:56

for duration of the shoot on his plane

1:05:59

that habibullah

1:06:00

i mean member emmy would would be any

1:06:02

of any other way in i i will

1:06:04

say that d blocks is much

1:06:07

preferable like an anonymous if you seen

1:06:09

that that's just moving see

1:06:11

and years astral how much you want there's actually

1:06:13

a thing on the science oh by the way is in forty

1:06:15

x you can control whether not you get the water spreading

1:06:17

face

1:06:18

the one thing you can control but in but

1:06:20

in in the box you can actually control how

1:06:22

how much money and you get and that

1:06:24

is a proceed actuator

1:06:27

which makes it much more custom

1:06:29

then it off though a lot more

1:06:31

refined it's sort like difference between like

1:06:33

as have dick linear actuator

1:06:35

linear rumble motor like it feels like they

1:06:37

have lot more control with with relax

1:06:40

yeah and he said was multiple seats

1:06:42

like connected in ganglia appeared

1:06:44

in and forty x but was entire theater

1:06:47

of these rumble seat or that one row

1:06:49

out of us the and are seated think it's the whole

1:06:51

theater it must act as a geek he got

1:06:54

the snow

1:06:55

the around going to get the snow the i

1:06:57

have a physicist yeah okay

1:06:59

always in and wind is wind and

1:07:01

that was funny too because they have to spin up

1:07:03

the wind yeah so every like

1:07:05

you know it's com and because that whoever programs

1:07:07

the wind has to turn it on about five

1:07:10

seconds before the audience dispersed rail it sits

1:07:12

, his

1:07:16

it's a weird experience and ah monsieur

1:07:18

and ah you as first time awesome was

1:07:20

maybe that's how i thought our

1:07:22

follow the , format

1:07:24

so you know there's a cousin max theaters also screen

1:07:26

x we talked about works there the studios

1:07:29

have to deliberately partner with the screwed

1:07:31

up exhibitors the this actually

1:07:34

deliver extra footage on the left in the right

1:07:36

it's a wider field of view just

1:07:39

reflects scenes but it

1:07:41

it really an array ruins anticipation

1:07:43

for a climactic scenes when you know when they

1:07:45

kind of start showing some extra stuff

1:07:47

on the side you know something big has come into something big

1:07:50

is coming up and it doesn't really

1:07:52

wrap your fuel the review because

1:07:54

you know that the movie theaters loss the cup hara

1:07:57

other it forced perspective luck

1:07:59

right because you the of these long

1:08:01

of his long side walls

1:08:03

on an not for the duration

1:08:05

of film with only slack scenes so i wouldn't recommend

1:08:08

screen acts i would recommend imax

1:08:10

x the i think it's fine ah

1:08:13

imac it is larger aspect ratio

1:08:16

the

1:08:17

lot those true i'm actually so on

1:08:19

of sorts of the i got cease top

1:08:21

gun at the smithsonian national air and

1:08:23

space museum wow yeah we're

1:08:25

declare in declare c a

1:08:27

couple weeks ago which one when my knowledge

1:08:30

to the one in one mall the one by dallas

1:08:32

was that move our how the center is the largest

1:08:34

imax screen with imax fork projector laser

1:08:36

projector that projector that and or

1:08:38

five five years ago i once a snob

1:08:41

but it's the wonder

1:08:43

in the building where they have you

1:08:45

know the space and one of space shuttles

1:08:47

yeah and where they have have

1:08:50

a

1:08:52

a blackbird a number seventy one as

1:08:54

you have these these incredible monuments

1:08:57

aviation and then museum

1:08:59

close it five and we rolled into a five

1:09:01

ten screening of talked on maverick

1:09:03

and it was packed the fact

1:09:05

that was been great with that just the public showing

1:09:07

their say do you think there was their first

1:09:10

movie i think back to

1:09:12

you know in in the lockdown for kobe times

1:09:14

and it was you know if they can choose chosen a

1:09:16

better movie yeah right that that's way to see

1:09:18

it i think you made good choice yeah yeah

1:09:20

i'm so glad you're able to share

1:09:22

that forty x experience the

1:09:24

movies still theaters still doing gangbusters i'm

1:09:27

and i gotta find time for for danica to

1:09:29

watch it cause yeah it's it's a thorough right love

1:09:31

love

1:09:32

dot experience watching it i'm one

1:09:35

more bit

1:09:36

the news or

1:09:38

talk about lego had lego

1:09:40

com this

1:09:41

past week so as the lego house

1:09:43

you know that big their big museum

1:09:45

their headquarters museum that they have in

1:09:48

with the bill and in in in headquarters that right

1:09:50

and it's and denmark there's as the

1:09:52

famous architect as i india and china her

1:09:56

very break like in it's art in

1:09:58

a society i can to a gym

1:10:00

shop describing it i wanted a choice that

1:10:02

made us about and they were building it's free

1:10:04

and center their staircase at the time less

1:10:06

yes exactly are you that's that's that that's

1:10:08

what that building right the lego house yeah

1:10:11

i'm and it's of the monuments all things

1:10:13

lego it's exhibition is

1:10:17

hi to look like lego stuck together but

1:10:19

as is white walls around it

1:10:21

is a you know kind of weird shapes

1:10:24

there's vault there's bottom but they turn up

1:10:26

saudi into up virtual convention

1:10:28

and announcements assess including

1:10:31

for their ninetieth anniversary

1:10:33

they're bring back some redesigned classic

1:10:36

sets including

1:10:38

oh what is it they did ninetieth anniversary

1:10:41

castle the lions late

1:10:43

nights tassels that's the big one

1:10:45

cadets i think four hundred bucks or so

1:10:47

it's it's expensive as if it's

1:10:49

four thousand five hundred pieces

1:10:52

for centerpieces listened as

1:10:54

it looks doesn't look like it as it

1:10:56

now but must be big because my

1:10:58

it the optimus prime is like thousand

1:11:01

pieces yeah and it the eyes

1:11:03

of or in i think that's because

1:11:06

when you when you had the old lego castles

1:11:08

wealth kind of grew up if you're in the

1:11:10

eighties you number the classic legal

1:11:13

counsel set with that the that we

1:11:15

all the flags with the flags poles the blubber

1:11:17

that's the browns stick super long

1:11:19

wavy flags but the walls were

1:11:21

like individual brick pieces within

1:11:24

like molded walls righty

1:11:26

silver the gray walls here

1:11:29

you're

1:11:29

actually stalking bricks and there's exterior

1:11:32

brick detail so that's all like it's

1:11:34

wait to the walls of and

1:11:36

then the ramps and all this italy see

1:11:38

the foliage to this big place

1:11:41

at that

1:11:41

i believe also fold them for fall down

1:11:43

for them to can be a monolithic castle as

1:11:46

well with an interior and and rooms

1:11:48

and a courtyard and a moat

1:11:50

in a you know and and a drawbridge everything it's

1:11:52

cool as is this and the other when you're

1:11:54

about mention are non license

1:11:57

eyepiece like i love that they're making these

1:11:59

it

1:12:00

that's if you know big deal

1:12:02

out of classic lego model

1:12:05

i'm a because it is it is all about

1:12:07

the imagination at that level it's not about

1:12:09

borrowing someone elses imagination by

1:12:11

do have loosened works with said other moments

1:12:13

in

1:12:14

is the the original spaceship the

1:12:16

galaxy explore death they have revived

1:12:19

it redesigned it it's bigger has

1:12:21

bigger thrusters has a still kind of

1:12:23

a shaky like this is what's

1:12:26

it , like from the eighties like

1:12:28

a kid through this one side spin

1:12:31

and the back of the totally like the

1:12:33

homer right from a from simpsons

1:12:35

like homer simpson's drawing of spaceship

1:12:38

it's betty spaceship spaceship

1:12:40

this one's what is it a

1:12:42

six hundred bucks the

1:12:45

not bad thousand pieces now

1:12:47

or it for a child the eighties who is in

1:12:49

an hour or can now with a salary no problem

1:12:52

right exactly or twelve hundred pieces

1:12:54

for was or fifty four pieces and with

1:12:56

these sets are really for children of the eighties or nostalgia

1:12:59

there for adults and that's my kind

1:13:01

gripe about this because thing the thing out of in

1:13:04

modern a new take it i was gonna spend

1:13:06

four hundred dollars on a castle

1:13:09

was not something bill the

1:13:12

lego castle those

1:13:14

then spend time with my kids

1:13:17

with modern lego and go views

1:13:19

are imagination and build a giant castle

1:13:21

place at and you can't really do that the

1:13:24

castle place why not because

1:13:27

he doesn't have the modular wall it's

1:13:29

all just gray brits like it's all

1:13:31

it's so many bricks so that you're building

1:13:34

these had of this of this this

1:13:36

prefab design yeah if

1:13:38

it was more about we're gonna give you

1:13:41

a ton of these laws kind of these that

1:13:43

roof pieces and for

1:13:45

a kids as then be able to pick that up

1:13:47

in build castle small or big

1:13:50

ray and lot of the repeating elements

1:13:53

as opposed to here is just a pile of

1:13:55

bricks if you put it the other a certain way

1:13:57

it will look like a castle the

1:14:00

something magical about something that very

1:14:02

quickly you recognize just from the been of parts

1:14:05

this is supposed to be castle

1:14:06

right yeah i don't know

1:14:08

i it every even occurred to me

1:14:10

that i'd wanna not follow the instructions

1:14:13

so this is a new idea to me but

1:14:15

oh i do understand that that each

1:14:17

of the rooms in their official

1:14:20

castle should you choose to follow

1:14:22

their direction

1:14:23

tell the story that there's a lot of

1:14:25

stories being told in that

1:14:27

place at and that's that could be flynn

1:14:30

i self yeah we talked to some charles

1:14:32

worth about these rockets out he's begun

1:14:34

to leg i think more so than even your

1:14:36

eye and yeah he especially the space

1:14:38

one i one i he's excited about that oh yeah

1:14:41

yeah yeah i have dot sonia by deadly will be

1:14:43

talking the saw on and i believe

1:14:45

i'm mad denton also begun

1:14:47

lego or resort builders who to be around

1:14:49

and now my we might chatting about that one cm

1:14:51

next ah privacy but buying

1:14:53

this castle one of you know it's it's

1:14:55

display peace the display

1:14:57

peace it's like really this huge

1:14:59

expensive monument to

1:15:03

hyper of lego nostalgia i boy what you

1:15:05

is bigger part build

1:15:08

more castles ended up as you might i be better

1:15:10

off with the with smaller sets

1:15:12

yeah

1:15:13

for building castles anyway that's

1:15:15

the lego news any anything any world pinball

1:15:18

and v new a toy story four was

1:15:20

announced ooh that's interesting

1:15:23

ip isn't it mean

1:15:26

you , it's is a toy story for because that's when

1:15:28

they could get or the tory story for because

1:15:31

that's the one with forty

1:15:34

and

1:15:36

the newest it was just because it's the

1:15:38

newest is jersey jack a so

1:15:41

i don't i have no idea they had

1:15:43

relationship with disney cars they did pirates of caribbean

1:15:46

and this is design

1:15:49

i'm that has been in the works

1:15:51

reportedly for about three years which

1:15:53

is kind of a law an eternity

1:15:55

in pinball terms usually games you

1:15:57

know take a year a half

1:16:00

the answer the who knows this is

1:16:02

designed by a very famous designer

1:16:04

and but nobody kind of outside

1:16:06

of jersey actually into understand why didn't the

1:16:08

fill with toy story two the mountaineers

1:16:11

toy story just to moreno and envelop

1:16:13

all for the films or even

1:16:15

just the first film because a lot of

1:16:17

there's lot of success and

1:16:19

doing drawbacks of original films

1:16:21

but i know they toy story for

1:16:24

and i guess you know that there's

1:16:26

videos out there and no one's really played yet

1:16:28

of there's actually that's not entirely true but is

1:16:30

not for sale yet the in another was you

1:16:32

can't get one

1:16:34

but i'll i'll be chess player when it comes out

1:16:36

assassins curious thing twice twice or

1:16:39

no no in choice

1:16:41

or for there is pinball machine they go inside

1:16:44

that survey that's one the reason is this not that

1:16:46

in bomb shaky room either yeah

1:16:48

tic yes but i know it's not know but

1:16:50

there is that game in it in into

1:16:52

his in the pinball games or that there's screen

1:16:54

and the upper left that looks like you can

1:16:56

unlock

1:16:58

he many pinball and play that

1:17:00

on the screen like video pinball version of

1:17:02

that

1:17:03

my god they're they gabby gabby

1:17:05

that comes out from under the table

1:17:07

very much like a troll live in medieval

1:17:09

madness but so people don't know

1:17:11

to toy for they just think that's a cute girl in

1:17:14

i mean you don't bash head it feels little

1:17:16

strange since village or me

1:17:18

i feel strange idea what should be the patroclus dummies

1:17:21

right ratio your head spin right

1:17:23

yeah or cat ah your

1:17:25

the cat yeah the blown out

1:17:27

so there's also the carnival

1:17:30

you know theme is there and sorcery for with their

1:17:32

the old rival lights who that so it's where that

1:17:35

is with the one compelling aspect like because

1:17:37

it's design by pat lawler he did whirlwind

1:17:40

and addams family and twilight zone brief

1:17:42

famous designer and he he kind of

1:17:44

going back to the early days of of

1:17:46

williams phallic symbol he kind of the big got

1:17:49

a carnival things like that was a big thing

1:17:51

for them so i can sort see the throwback

1:17:53

to that why they might want to you

1:17:55

that and there is that element of again but

1:17:58

i don't know it's i'll be curious he

1:18:01

looks looks like did they get ramp

1:18:03

or you couldn't launch off of

1:18:05

it like a key on a result character yes

1:18:07

yeah daredevil see us play him and you

1:18:09

do i count as ball yeah

1:18:13

so , that's the biggest news and pinball be

1:18:15

curious play that i'm in jersey jack releases

1:18:17

of releases game once in blue moon so it's always

1:18:20

fun to see what they have their sleep bobo

1:18:22

bobo bobo but i love so sorry

1:18:24

for i know you do as

1:18:26

imus i read it is the least

1:18:29

popular choice doj film according to asians

1:18:31

poll on their later

1:18:34

your review ah like

1:18:37

years and it finds them must stay

1:18:39

had people rigged like bus the best toy

1:18:41

story films and think the life percent of

1:18:43

people said to history for a lets rank of my

1:18:45

now jerry and went over well

1:18:47

they're poll is wrong if we're going to rank them because

1:18:49

toy story two is the best ways

1:18:51

it would ban it in life are you asking

1:18:54

how , do a righteous correcting the name

1:18:57

to is the best or up

1:18:59

and then one and then three and then for

1:19:01

that would be my order but i think you feel

1:19:03

differently you are very moved by three when

1:19:06

i was my wife's wasn't right but i think my

1:19:08

order would be god

1:19:12

yeah theory that the best in terms

1:19:14

what move me maybe changes over time one

1:19:18

the special place my heart for one can

1:19:21

we watch one so many times but that's right

1:19:23

i don't either but when one is thrilling

1:19:26

but i don't feel the

1:19:28

thing that maybe want to feel they want

1:19:30

to feel something for

1:19:34

makes me feel three boys me it's

1:19:36

of the two three and four make

1:19:38

cry and feel wow one is one

1:19:40

of the joy but sometimes

1:19:42

i'm not looking for joy professor

1:19:45

at yeah , a good organ

1:19:47

one i really like that are like service

1:19:49

the turn that would he takes it

1:19:52

out at the emirates and bus

1:19:54

thinking he's a real ask know

1:19:56

yes spill fifth race ranger

1:19:58

and that is nothing beats that they

1:20:00

had to bring that back in three because it was so

1:20:02

good

1:20:04

i i think there's also an awareness of like the trials

1:20:06

tribulations they went through to get to

1:20:08

each of those rare remember

1:20:10

one the you've the all the behind scenes

1:20:12

movies that fact on disney plus there's a there's

1:20:14

, nice retrospective it's like the making

1:20:16

light year but it's really kind the making

1:20:18

of the bazalgette your character as

1:20:20

a whole where they go into the pixar archives and seek

1:20:22

through all the old drawings of what buzz used to

1:20:24

be because all know the woody story he was like giant

1:20:27

almost and truck was stall like it is very

1:20:29

hateful spiteful and the the breakthrough

1:20:31

with what he was making i'm insecure wonder

1:20:34

what a genius and revelation right i'm

1:20:37

a buzz the the formation of

1:20:39

buzz and and the the the physique

1:20:41

of button the the connection of him being an

1:20:43

actual popular toy in the real world

1:20:46

that is a cool journey and and

1:20:48

to of course you know the whole story in the saga

1:20:50

busy making to on their own

1:20:52

before they bought pixar and then pixar

1:20:55

kind of citing the sell themselves to disney and

1:20:57

be acquired so that they and what one of reasons

1:20:59

of the could make to and

1:21:02

make the best sequel you know alongside godfather

1:21:04

to of all time or and talk a

1:21:06

maverick spinners hi brian i'm

1:21:10

and then three don't

1:21:12

like receded jones at some point

1:21:15

working on writing three sons right yeah

1:21:17

and three i

1:21:19

think you see the maturity of the

1:21:22

the the writers and artists it's

1:21:24

just cooley who directed three skidded

1:21:26

for i'm sorry me on grunts yeah three

1:21:30

and i think there's lot of three

1:21:33

there are couple things that bug me about three one

1:21:35

think they do rehash some the story lines

1:21:37

like a lot so he's

1:21:39

storylines very somewhere i think

1:21:42

to ah so jesse's

1:21:45

into

1:21:46

that is the maternal bitter because his band

1:21:48

and by a child exactly right but doesn't

1:21:50

have that montage right

1:21:52

hit rice the lab sarah mclaughlin

1:21:54

makes you cry matters yes i n

1:21:57

three

1:22:00

everyone claims on that horowitz

1:22:02

scary seen whether they're all clutch each other

1:22:04

in their about us you know go into the trash

1:22:06

disposal that got up on life pretty much yeah

1:22:08

and i don't like that scene know

1:22:10

and either on nor do i think that's like

1:22:13

the most powerful seeds was oh my god

1:22:15

these always refer that one i actually don't like you're talking

1:22:17

about one is the any be mystically and

1:22:19

they seek the ending cf with this

1:22:21

us at the same that they landed on whole

1:22:23

movie was the gets one point it was

1:22:25

for andy to talk about

1:22:28

i'm i'm token of submit this see i memory

1:22:30

i never you really like as in to talking

1:22:32

about

1:22:34

these toys met the him while they're they're

1:22:36

watching him and the i can't see thing

1:22:39

that stroke of genius

1:22:41

like the

1:22:43

quickly the fish rom episode where i'd

1:22:45

like to be there you see like the the families

1:22:48

receive a little of parents are all sleep washing

1:22:50

or for the whole time like and

1:22:52

and are taking care of her she has no it like

1:22:54

there's that there's that like the one

1:22:56

way right there anyway yeah

1:22:59

and there's a passing of torch and you

1:23:01

know it if sense of like rite of passage

1:23:03

and yes yes passing from use to

1:23:05

a young adulthood and yet then there

1:23:08

will always be more young people yeah

1:23:10

yeah that there's always that in the universe and

1:23:12

i like that it's it's beautiful and

1:23:14

i think for dot me most

1:23:17

the talk about this watching it

1:23:19

as a parent because it's so

1:23:21

clear that toys are these

1:23:24

that the toys are we are these these metaphors

1:23:26

for for paired figures as

1:23:28

what do you

1:23:29

the didn't have companion funds of companion

1:23:31

but he was in have any to have

1:23:33

dad and toy story one

1:23:35

and body to care of him to didn't just kind

1:23:37

of play with him what kind

1:23:39

of raised him or saw himself

1:23:41

raising him and , this great

1:23:43

monologue when he's walking

1:23:45

with forty down road girl the one

1:23:47

or to sing along saw his the two guys

1:23:49

walking he's talking explain

1:23:52

whole story and he explains

1:23:55

how the

1:23:57

any grows up and his kids they grow

1:23:59

up

1:24:00

and one day they'll have

1:24:02

a life of their own and they'll do things you'll never

1:24:04

see and that's like that's

1:24:06

like being parent right that's

1:24:08

interesting yeah i know i don't think

1:24:10

i've seen that more than once oh

1:24:12

which may speak to how old my kids

1:24:15

have gotten that they haven't wanted to go back

1:24:17

to that or maybe just that my youngest

1:24:19

wasn't super into it i'm

1:24:21

, should watch for again i stripped simply

1:24:23

for the visuals i do i remember being oh my

1:24:25

god drop dead gorgeous film

1:24:28

well the the fake and morphic lens thing right

1:24:30

the they are they had some

1:24:32

it's great hdr to because inside

1:24:34

the antique shop you have these

1:24:38

credible highlights or on these the under the

1:24:40

vm the sky lights and on

1:24:42

back the cat right yes particles

1:24:44

in the air spray it really felt

1:24:46

like a real place and was at

1:24:48

carnival he had all the all the

1:24:50

focus with your can

1:24:52

an amorphous okay in back with

1:24:54

all this your love for toy story yet

1:24:57

you haven't seen like

1:24:58

ear norm i'd say what

1:25:01

does that say i mean i don't know as

1:25:03

as if can see him allen had voiced malaysia

1:25:05

with as you have been in the theater i don't know

1:25:09

the i got sick kids that actually

1:25:11

i didn't really was gonna take it a n n

1:25:15

i'm sure i'm in a like lot like year from

1:25:17

what i've heard it's a love letter science fiction

1:25:20

cod good me by science fiction fans yes

1:25:22

i saw it is definitely that is

1:25:24

that we the and the premise is not

1:25:27

revealed in the trailers which is they

1:25:29

reveal to you that's the first thing you see

1:25:31

it's text on screen and that's cool

1:25:33

i think you'll like that okay yeah

1:25:36

i'm looking forward to it i mean

1:25:39

when i wish they release odyssey plus i wasn't happy

1:25:41

pay twenty dollars for of the

1:25:43

premier access wherever they call it says

1:25:45

was at home

1:26:05

anyway we got long enough to bury

1:26:07

the lead we , you on show a sweet

1:26:09

because just the sweep recordings actually

1:26:11

on monday but just

1:26:13

today as recording this we

1:26:16

ah drop our video

1:26:19

where i went hands on that

1:26:23

reality labs research which is

1:26:25

facebook slash matters research

1:26:28

department read up or they have

1:26:30

have of different offices but it's

1:26:32

where they have many different divisions

1:26:34

working on

1:26:36

different aspects of virtual reality and augmented

1:26:38

reality and i got to embed

1:26:41

one day in their display

1:26:43

systems resource departments

1:26:46

and check out prototype vr headsets

1:26:48

that they announced this week

1:26:51

that

1:26:52

they announced what did they can have revealed

1:26:54

right that they've and that they've shown that

1:26:56

they've been working on for years now

1:26:58

yeah and and you know that the funny thing is the

1:27:01

for headset i tried like

1:27:05

two of them i want say you can

1:27:07

see why papers you can see blog posts

1:27:09

about them from in the right

1:27:11

for five years ago like out on one

1:27:13

we solve it elway paper years ago

1:27:15

run even the or even hello cake even even

1:27:18

the other the the thin and light one

1:27:20

i worked and video it was unfair

1:27:22

was shown in twenty twenty

1:27:24

they are shown meeting you know they they raided

1:27:26

reported it said everly announced it some

1:27:29

of what you saw him and that they

1:27:31

talked about day we saw and

1:27:33

i can connect twenty nineteen

1:27:35

did very focused of the have don't stuff

1:27:37

certainly we've we've seen that see many

1:27:39

like on upon in pride in i am i going across

1:27:41

presentation stage not in person but

1:27:43

were no way different than what you saw as

1:27:45

it is these the prototypes that they're that they

1:27:47

wanted to talk about they shared

1:27:49

with the internet today

1:27:53

the you're the only one that went up and actually

1:27:55

had hands on with almost

1:27:58

all of them think

1:28:00

everything right i did not everything on the

1:28:02

wall so in in the lab

1:28:04

says up in up in redmen hair

1:28:06

washington as were assistant

1:28:09

what talked about a crazy travel week

1:28:11

so give us a little bit of inside baseball

1:28:14

ah we've been talking to met

1:28:16

pr about this they offered

1:28:19

us the x axis of hands on

1:28:21

time with this and told us

1:28:23

that nobody or elude all

1:28:25

the other embargo because they gonna announce

1:28:27

the news of this of this i'm

1:28:29

an the timing was very tight for this

1:28:31

to work and so there is a

1:28:34

we

1:28:34

can half period where i drove

1:28:36

down the family to sour celebration

1:28:38

for memorial day weekend burrow

1:28:41

back with the family on ,

1:28:43

day the very next day gotten a plane

1:28:46

and of fluids redman then

1:28:49

spend a day there then flew

1:28:51

back the man when

1:28:53

down to monster palooza down in

1:28:55

that pasadena for an afternoon before

1:28:58

going on a red eye flight to

1:29:00

wash in dc to do some videos

1:29:02

were tested at the smithsonian and was

1:29:04

top gun and was talk on and

1:29:06

then flew back then did interview

1:29:08

with mark zuckerberg have remotely

1:29:10

and a studio i to set up at home here you

1:29:12

are busy man norman chan and

1:29:15

they added up peace and else on the internet assessed

1:29:18

stay by the way your interview

1:29:20

with mark zuckerberg arabia this

1:29:23

law you get three credit for my

1:29:25

fifteen year old who walked in this room and and

1:29:27

looked the strain of his mouth drops his

1:29:30

, interviewing mark zuckerberg assessment

1:29:33

believe it so apparently that means

1:29:35

something so a girl done done

1:29:39

uni dire mark zuckerberg to manager

1:29:42

audio video because his audio was

1:29:44

freaking good and

1:29:46

he was well way it's him yeah way it's yeah

1:29:48

i'll you the as people work and work i suggest

1:29:51

of i think as a he has some people were could

1:29:53

form yeah yeah i guess you know

1:29:55

if i got worked for me since i

1:29:57

have it was me had

1:29:59

identical let me set up cameras

1:30:01

in the and was for office

1:30:03

yeah which are we as we got the

1:30:05

call a mark zuckerberg compliments

1:30:07

of the office or asked me oh experience

1:30:09

very nice you maybe wasn't interested but you know the

1:30:12

you know he asked about the shelves and also if my wife

1:30:14

deanna cause work office and she has

1:30:16

its her stuff for her the sub she makes

1:30:18

a i legitimately want know what

1:30:20

what what is my setup was though because we had

1:30:22

no lapel on and he wasn't using the air but

1:30:24

it was some sort of boom i mean have you been it

1:30:26

has off camera yeah it was nice

1:30:28

it was real nice and the to camera setup

1:30:31

right or i was talking to a production team

1:30:33

because we did a pre call to talk about how the camera

1:30:35

setups would be a cause we did

1:30:37

the technically over a zoom call like a

1:30:39

video call and but we recorded

1:30:42

the video locally and then and

1:30:44

i got sent four k footage or quarter four k

1:30:47

which you angles and then

1:30:49

reda a mix of it did

1:30:51

you guys look the camera because you

1:30:53

looked like you were looking mit making eye

1:30:55

contact but of course you weren't looking at the zoom

1:30:58

be or also been looking off camera and

1:31:00

this is something that people that figure out reproductions

1:31:02

have to figure out who do are more interviews

1:31:05

and you seem different ways that people there

1:31:07

are more interviews of

1:31:09

i believe he had he had a proper set

1:31:11

up or where he could see was

1:31:13

good he could see through it so wasn't for taxi

1:31:15

wasn't for script anything sale but where

1:31:17

he could look at the image of

1:31:19

my face and look it off into

1:31:21

the image or and then but actually

1:31:24

that's where camera lens was and

1:31:26

they were using you know just i've tried nice

1:31:28

my sony fx six said cameras

1:31:31

you know like the our highest quality camera

1:31:33

we have detested office was just their standard

1:31:35

webcam fry odds

1:31:38

and i had same or similar podcast

1:31:40

are using this camera this used for podcasting

1:31:43

and have have above it where

1:31:45

i was mirroring my laptop

1:31:48

so i could see his face m

1:31:51

i've trained myself over course of doing these

1:31:53

videos and podcasting where i can look the lens

1:31:55

as i'm doing right now but

1:31:57

i can either in my field

1:32:00

you like of i look up the glance

1:32:02

up it's not too far off i lied

1:32:04

slam sense if someone stop talking

1:32:06

i will i only anybody thinks about

1:32:08

that i mean honestly like i think

1:32:10

i'm asking questions so in the weeds that nobody

1:32:12

cares because i i i would have never

1:32:16

i'm in the i never look at camera like

1:32:18

that's something i don't even think to do that's very

1:32:20

professional do i do my albeit professional jerry a

1:32:22

css essence i did have second camera

1:32:24

setup you know so we could across cuts

1:32:26

and so in the second camera

1:32:28

the give the illusion i'm talking to laptop

1:32:30

or yellow they get your not illusion but it gives

1:32:33

it's a give them the understand into contacts

1:32:35

that i am looking at screen and

1:32:38

so

1:32:40

it could wanna obviously not the same room they

1:32:42

give it tangent that satisfies my

1:32:44

money to never let you know you depression for

1:32:46

while on so it's a you've really got the

1:32:48

test three new frontiers he got the tests

1:32:51

their focal lenses which

1:32:53

this

1:32:54

is what in movie l a screen

1:32:56

or or lenses can move in

1:32:58

three d and allow you to focus on things much

1:33:00

clearer that are close

1:33:02

to then think that unless you got

1:33:05

to test hdr

1:33:06

and get it has high resolution but all

1:33:08

on different headsets yeah

1:33:11

yeah oh gosh and

1:33:13

the source say about each of those and i'm

1:33:15

so we're so therefore cool so

1:33:17

why uses half dome one which isn't

1:33:20

even they're late s

1:33:22

u v or football example but it's one

1:33:24

they've had the most the ,

1:33:26

though most confident in terms of the

1:33:28

engineering and your what am take away

1:33:30

from it was there , focal

1:33:33

series of prototypes really

1:33:35

was it is is a perfect

1:33:37

exemplar of how fast

1:33:40

they can iterate the it was a year

1:33:42

for them to go through each

1:33:44

of each prototype and

1:33:47

how competent

1:33:49

they're engineering him as cause

1:33:51

that you've i talk to you know whether as young a

1:33:53

dog or fill their

1:33:56

the the their these are scientists these guys have pcs

1:33:58

who are have for off the

1:34:00

who have studied know are objects

1:34:02

read the whole life yeah but they're not necessarily

1:34:05

electrical engineers or

1:34:07

mechanical engineers so they come

1:34:09

up with idea though do the math for

1:34:11

for the objects and for what they think okay

1:34:13

this idea if works it was smooth centimeter

1:34:16

of these lenses and we can shift

1:34:18

focus by this much those sketched out

1:34:20

and they had their the whole team that i

1:34:22

never met in whole fabrication prototyping

1:34:25

new facility i'd ever met of engineers

1:34:27

of hardware engineers who are than doing with three

1:34:29

modeling of than doing the rapid prototyping

1:34:32

of using you know esl us you

1:34:34

printing ah and generating

1:34:36

and and sourcing components writes

1:34:38

some actually make these physical prototypes

1:34:41

and multiple versions of those so they have

1:34:43

the the team can then been their studies

1:34:46

com and they may only

1:34:48

make me a handful these and move on

1:34:50

snacks one i was really struck

1:34:52

by the how legitimately the on frontier

1:34:54

they are like

1:34:56

i'm not sure why facebook wanted to

1:34:58

release all this information it seems like

1:35:00

that's as a conversation we should have maybe

1:35:02

in twenty minutes so that that's it i know

1:35:05

i am curious about that but

1:35:07

i legitimately in watching this watching was struck

1:35:09

that there

1:35:12

is no

1:35:14

oh there's nothing online or they that they're

1:35:16

improving on you know this this is not these not

1:35:18

concepts that they are building and

1:35:21

and him and making better they

1:35:23

are trying figure out how to do things that have never been

1:35:25

done before like how how do you solve

1:35:28

burdens competition virgins the competition

1:35:30

conflict

1:35:33

they came up with two or three completely

1:35:35

different ways to go about it and

1:35:37

they're trying figure will which one less noisy which

1:35:39

ones was bulky which one take less

1:35:41

power world is trade offs

1:35:43

and like they they can even theoretically

1:35:46

figure that out a have to build it

1:35:48

and build these prototypes the

1:35:50

i'm as like and building the hdr

1:35:53

screen like that is something

1:35:55

that nobody's done before my gun

1:35:57

putting the making the not

1:36:00

a vr headset i mean at least according to them

1:36:02

they believe that that is the only hdr headset

1:36:04

and existence well hdr the spectrum

1:36:06

right like you t v is called association article

1:36:08

thousand nits if listen to a

1:36:10

wider me and valve he did of talk

1:36:12

years ago about that they had made a if your

1:36:14

prototype and he couldn't go back to

1:36:16

anything but dunno how many knits that was so i'd

1:36:18

love chat with valve at some point talk about their

1:36:21

prototypes hdr so it's these are known

1:36:23

problems think with people studying vr

1:36:26

i think that it's just about who has who

1:36:28

wants to invest enough resources and give

1:36:31

enough runway for these are the teams

1:36:33

to try different approaches my

1:36:35

and barefoot was a great example because you

1:36:37

saw three with four

1:36:39

different mechanical solutions

1:36:42

spray from speaker style solution

1:36:45

solution , work well in only you're

1:36:47

laying it only if you want you know by

1:36:49

using gravity right lab or

1:36:53

where have i got a spring

1:36:55

system i'm like

1:36:57

affect your system paint rightly always

1:36:59

mchale solutions for like you said wait and

1:37:01

for for sounds are and then they

1:37:03

were able to pivot completely and fine

1:37:06

the

1:37:06

electronic solution with polarizers

1:37:09

with that polarizers ah

1:37:11