0:00

Is Holy Water a viable hangover

0:02

cure? If leprechauns eat lucky charms,

0:04

what cereal do other cryptids eat?

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Answers to these questions and more on

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this episode of This

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Paranormal Life! Welcome

0:15

back to This Paranormal Life, the

0:17

weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday

0:19

we dive into a different supernatural

0:21

tale and decide by the end

0:23

of the episode whether it's truly

0:25

paranormal or not. As always,

0:27

you're joined by me, veteran paranormal

0:30

investigator, me Kit Groom-Ovenna, Rory Powers,

0:32

who's sitting across from me. And

0:35

today, Rory, that is not all. We actually

0:37

have a special guest. You guys know

0:40

him from Otherworld, the HitUS podcast, where

0:42

he explores the paranormal through insane witness

0:44

testimonies. Plus, he's also an internet legend

0:46

who goes by the name Versace Tamagotchi

0:48

on Instagram. It's Jack Wagner. How the

0:51

hell are you doing, Jack? I'm

0:53

doing great. It's very funny hearing my Instagram

0:55

handle said out loud. For

0:59

the record, I don't go by that in the day to

1:01

day. People

1:03

don't call me that in person, you know? You've had

1:05

it a long time though, right? I know. I've thought

1:07

about changing it, but it's like... No,

1:10

man. Everybody says don't. I'm here

1:12

for the reference to the throwback

1:14

toys because we actually recently on

1:16

this podcast did an investigation into

1:19

Furbies, whether or

1:21

not you could turn them evil, whether

1:23

or not they were actually possessed themselves.

1:25

We actually have a bunch in the

1:27

studio here that we kind of did

1:29

some experiments on. We had some testimony

1:31

about cursed Furbies. Yeah. So I mean,

1:34

thankfully, you'll be glad to know these have

1:36

been decommissioned. Yeah. There were a lot of stories

1:38

of people who claimed to take the batteries out

1:40

of their Furby and the Furbies would continue to

1:42

talk afterwards. So it was a good

1:44

episode. Jack, you are our guest investigator

1:46

today. I've got a crazy story that

1:48

I'm going to tell both of you

1:51

guys, but you have a big

1:53

responsibility because you're going to decide at the

1:55

end of this episode definitively yes or no,

1:57

whether it's real. Are you feeling up

1:59

to the... challenge? Of course, 100%. With

2:02

guests, we do have to do a quick check to

2:04

make sure they're not an MIB. Right,

2:07

Jack, real quick, do you

2:09

believe Roswell was aliens or

2:11

a weather balloon? Oh god.

2:13

Alright, he failed the first test. Moving on to

2:15

test number two. Alright, guys, let's place the bills, we

2:17

gotta do a quick side book. What

2:20

do you think? We actually did a

2:22

case the other day about a cryptid

2:25

that descended on an English village in

2:27

the Devon countryside in the 1800s, I'm

2:29

pretty sure. And the official explanation was

2:32

a weather balloon. So we're sick of

2:34

weather balloons explaining everything in the paranormal.

2:36

Yeah, 100%. I mean, I

2:38

don't know enough about Roswell, to be completely honest

2:41

with you. But my serious answer is that I

2:43

think sometimes there could be a bit of

2:45

both going on, you know, Roswell's crazy. If you go there

2:47

now, it's such a weird place. The other day, a pilot

2:50

messaged me saying that he saw something weird in the

2:52

desert and like sent me the GPS. And

2:55

there's a giant

2:57

swastika, like on the ground,

2:59

it's like, probably like a

3:01

mile wide. And it's immaculate.

3:03

It turned out, you know, I looked this

3:06

up, it turned out to be a World

3:08

War Two era target. They're like, testing

3:10

precision bombs. What? And there was like

3:12

tons of them. But of course, the

3:15

ones that the bombs hit aren't around anymore.

3:17

But yeah, so much of that area

3:19

of the desert was like,

3:21

just empty land that was being used by

3:23

the military to like blow up nukes and

3:26

just do crazy stuff. And there's

3:28

also a lot of weird stuff that happens out there. So yeah,

3:30

Roswell and aliens, we always say is kind

3:33

of an interesting one, because it's

3:35

a difficult thing to say that you believe

3:37

in and you're passionate about. Because usually

3:40

you find a lot of people that agree with

3:42

you. And then occasionally you get a DM from

3:44

a pilot who says that the aliens are Nazis.

3:47

And you're like, cool, but I don't know if

3:49

I go that far. But like, good

3:51

for you. You know, there's like so many

3:53

branches of like believing in that kind of

3:56

stuff from the like, mile to the very

3:58

extreme and unique. No, I had a 100%

4:00

100% okay, so I know that was a joke

4:03

question, but I answered it seriously What's

4:05

the next one of the test we're here

4:07

for it? No What we're ready to dive in in fact

4:09

well sorry before we do you got the urine sample and

4:12

the blood sample as well because I know like the question

4:14

was funny and stuff We're still waiting on the lab results

4:16

on that one, but I'm gonna get a call from Geneva

4:18

in the next 45 On

4:21

the theme of this week's story guys We're

4:23

hard-working podcasters, but if ever you had a hard

4:25

day at work and just thought to yourself I

4:29

just wish I could disappear lots

4:31

of people probably dream of disappearing to

4:33

the Bahamas But what about

4:35

to another dimension completely and

4:38

what if that happened to you, but? Accidentally

4:41

I kind of wish I had disappeared the

4:43

time I was working as an Italian waiter,

4:45

and I accidentally threw a glass of red

4:48

wine in a woman's face Yeah,

4:50

unfortunately every spell. I tried to cast

4:52

I did you actually do that that

4:54

is a true story or it's actually

4:57

It's a restaurant across the road from my parents

4:59

house, and he did get fired. I did get

5:01

fired almost immediately That's really funny.

5:03

Yeah, the whole invisibility cloak thing would have

5:06

been pretty nice in that situation We

5:08

have lots to explore on today's

5:10

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5:31

right, let's rewind the clock to

5:35

1880 Gallatin, Tennessee a small rural

5:37

town just northeast of Nashville and

5:39

the setting for today's case Jack

5:43

if you ever been to Nashville you're of course recording

5:45

from LA right now. Yes. I have yes I

5:47

have Does that how does that rank

5:49

to you as far as did you get any

5:52

vibes while you were there is that somewhere you

5:54

think? Going on Paranormal

5:57

I'm not not where I was but

6:00

it is a fun town. It's like, I was in

6:02

the fucking clubs, baby. I mean, a

6:04

little bit. It is like, it's half

6:06

really, really cool, like dive bars,

6:09

dancing, things like that. Obviously it's

6:11

a big country town, but then there's also

6:13

like the downtown Nashville. It's the current capital

6:16

of bachelorette parties for some reason. So

6:18

it's like almost entirely bachelorette parties and

6:20

like all the touristy country

6:23

clubs are on this one strip and

6:25

like Kid Rock has one and it's

6:27

seven or eight stories tall. It's a

6:29

Kid Rock themed bar that's literally,

6:32

I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say it's six

6:34

or seven stories tall. Like imagine being in a bar

6:36

where there's like an elevator with

6:40

multiple floors. It's chaotic. And it's like,

6:42

yeah, I went to every floor and like

6:45

there's like bands playing. I think, man,

6:47

not to go into too much of

6:49

a tangent, but it is a wild

6:51

place. If anybody ever goes there, I

6:53

would recommend Robert's Western World, but everything

6:57

else on that strip is crazy. So

6:59

yeah, no paranormal, but there's a Kid

7:01

Rock themed bar. We're

7:04

in Tennessee and all is as it

7:07

should be on a warm clear September

7:09

afternoon. David Lang and family

7:11

are enjoying the nice weather on their

7:13

farm just on the edge of Gallatin

7:15

in Sumner County. David Lang

7:17

is a devoted father and he's watching his

7:20

two young children playing at the front of

7:22

the farmhouse, George Eight and Sarah 11. They

7:25

play happily with a wooden wagon and horse

7:28

toy that David brought back from Nashville that

7:30

morning. David's wife, Emma comes

7:33

outside and joins the group. David

7:36

takes the opportunity and I am is there to

7:38

cross his field and check in on his horse

7:40

at the other side of the farm. Not

7:43

the toy horse, a real horse. Right,

7:46

a real horse. Of whose

7:48

damn kids broken the horse again. No,

7:50

a real horse across the

7:52

field. Got it. On

7:54

the farm, I Realize this is

7:56

painstaking detail. It really is. It's

7:58

gonna be very necessary. I've been

8:00

trying to impress you Jackie usually breezes

8:02

passed every them on the edge of

8:04

my seat don't worry usually he source

8:06

of realize I was they are so

8:08

model know Iowa is is that version

8:11

and heard other world burrow bus is

8:13

quite a semantic is quite engrossing so

8:15

I just think gonna quit or thy

8:17

jar but I don't know jack but

8:19

I just think. Disguise.

8:22

Disguise. In Hollywood. And. He's

8:24

a podcasts are so I just think mere youth

8:26

could learn a thing or two. But podcasting saw

8:28

blessings us to learn a thing or two. but

8:30

Parnell Book Essence. We. Could also be in

8:32

Hollywood. I don't think it's I

8:34

don't even know if he isn't Hulu. I think

8:36

he's just in John Hollywood right? I mean technically

8:39

I'm in East L Way which is a slightly

8:41

different God damn a kid hangs up a call

8:43

from here. Lisa about. you know Hollywood will have

8:45

a general. It's a vibe is it is. It's

8:47

I realize I'm estate of mises. What is it

8:50

of my other stories of kid rock the as

8:52

out Hollywood is babe I'm a man away at

8:54

kind of is because like it's sort of. if

8:56

you actually live in L A you started don't

8:58

want to live in Hollywood. It's really most of

9:01

a Doris Day of you has been around. Have.

9:03

You visited and we were. We were just

9:05

there on tour with did a show in

9:08

L A, were staying in Hollywood and the

9:10

holy ghost we saw was the ghost of

9:12

Crystal his career. am I right? Just say

9:14

Okay okay wow same guy you can give

9:16

it. Where do you guys play? Where is

9:18

the show you know in a in a

9:21

little known have any called the Vermont's another

9:23

Vermont that's a pretty big one. Yeah man

9:25

we went to we actually had some great

9:27

advice and the venue are. Amazing

9:29

and they send us to I wish I could remember

9:32

that a lot bar but it was a sick bar.

9:34

it was a cool bars or via. Challenge.

9:36

I hear Yeah, it was okay.

9:38

So a. Coyote. Ugly

9:40

and guy energy. East

9:42

Dalai. Essentially half a bar

9:45

have the bar was a car park. As a

9:47

you can describe it was more inside and than

9:49

ever was outside in a car. From saying coyote

9:51

ugly but I understand, are you on as. long

9:55

as you like a twenty mile road in hammered

9:57

you know that already one hundred forty one hundred

9:59

it will I already went 100. Yeah! I

10:01

was just there. That was the after part of it, yeah.

10:03

That's really funny. OK, yeah, you guys, I mean, I was

10:05

literally just there the other day. Dude. Dad, we missed the

10:08

invite. I know. Well, we've f***ed. Yeah, man, I wish we

10:10

had set this up earlier. We would have invited you to

10:12

the show. But next time. Well, I'm glad you guys had

10:14

fun. Look at,

10:16

I'm investigating already. OK. That came from you.

10:18

This guy's quick with the Google, bro. The

10:23

family watched as David strolled

10:25

across the wide, empty plane.

10:28

Just then, a horse and cart pulled into the yard.

10:31

Judge Peck and David's brother-in-law

10:33

had stopped by. They

10:35

called out to David. Hey there,

10:37

David. What a fine day. David

10:41

heard them and slowly turned around to

10:43

look their way. And the

10:45

moment he locked eyes with them, he

10:49

instantly disappeared. It

10:52

was like they had blinked and he

10:54

was gone, except they saw the whole

10:56

thing happen in an instant right in

10:58

front of them. Both men jumped out

11:00

of the cart and sprinted to where

11:02

he was standing, thinking he fell in

11:04

a ditch or a sinkhole. But

11:06

at the spot, there wasn't even a crack in the

11:09

earth. Nothing. No disturbance. Not

11:11

even a bush or a tree

11:13

nearby. Jesus. Emma

11:15

Lang was now screaming in hysterics

11:18

and the children were terrified. David

11:21

Lang had disappeared without a trace. This

11:24

is just a man leaving his family.

11:27

He's a man abandoning his wife and

11:30

kids. Intergalactic pack of smokes. Yeah,

11:32

his boy picked him up in the cart and

11:34

they left. This is, I think

11:36

even for us, this is maybe a pretty

11:39

extreme start to a story. Jack,

11:41

Rory, wear your heads up. This one is

11:43

kind of freaking me out. I don't like

11:45

the fact that he just disappeared and there's

11:48

nothing left. I think even if there was

11:50

like a smoldering patch of grass or something,

11:52

I'd be at least like, I'd be like,

11:54

OK, what's going on here? Or you at

11:56

least want to see a portal go Suck

11:59

him in. For. Just

12:01

two. Yeah. I don't

12:03

know who has way more terrifying

12:05

to just really. He's gone completely

12:08

gone with no explanation. We went

12:10

investigate time slips before. Where. Someone

12:12

kind of blips out of the current

12:14

day in the next thing. I know

12:16

they're in the past, but even those

12:18

stories are usually from the perspective of

12:20

the person that blips. Yeah, what. we

12:22

were on it. What's this From the

12:25

perspective of the the book? Blippy is

12:27

not the blubber. That's why I'm currently

12:29

sticking to my guns as as a

12:31

man who had to just dip out,

12:33

he had to go start a new

12:35

life somewhere would sometimes work. Sometimes.

12:38

You gotta get rid of the things in life that

12:40

are holding you back. You. Know these

12:42

things are dragging you down a cabin.

12:44

Tip: Rember Wire: you're taking this or

12:46

that The Dark was sort of the

12:49

assets your wife and kids if they're

12:51

bad vibes. You. Need

12:53

to get rid of. I'm Susan. I'll

12:55

have a lot like Roy Roy is

12:57

Go Thirteen kids from from ex wives

12:59

of his all our beloved of blood

13:01

before brother. yeah that's why I had

13:03

humor that I'd leave Northern Ireland. I

13:05

like the idea of this this guy

13:07

bleeping out of reality and the family

13:10

turn and there's just like a human

13:12

shaped hole in the cornfield next to

13:14

them and like oh right he just

13:16

he ran. He comes back with like

13:18

one of those looney tunes style jugs

13:20

of whiskey completely empty as as Xxx

13:22

on a Scientists. So you're saying is

13:24

because what I'm saying. Is.

13:27

David vanished from exists as part of everyone's

13:29

eyes. What you're saying in his. Ama.

13:31

Didn't see it. The kids didn't see it.

13:34

It was the friends saw or the brother

13:36

in law saw it. And you're saying

13:38

this is a cover up by his mates or his

13:40

family. Oh, so I didn't even catch that it was

13:42

the brother in law that saw it. As

13:44

far as I'm aware was a was the

13:46

whole family or oh they're in all the

13:48

kids but his wife, his brother in law

13:51

and ah I actually don't know is this

13:53

guy was really a judge or of his

13:55

name was just anyway a guy called judge.

13:58

and also it in front of

14:00

their eyes, gone. Hey, you know, I

14:03

like this. This is kind of in

14:05

line with spontaneous human combustion, something

14:07

that is just happening. I think

14:10

what we need to know now is a

14:12

bit more of context or

14:14

explanations. Or has this happened before to

14:16

other people? Yeah, and you mentioned time

14:18

slips. We've covered those in the past.

14:20

The Liverpool time slips were people more...

14:23

I mean, it is similar in the sense of it's

14:25

so instant, but as you say, they tend to come

14:27

back. And then maybe the only

14:29

other one I could think of was the

14:32

Philadelphia Experiment. That was supposedly to do with

14:34

technology, but this ship and all the people

14:36

on it just vanished. Like

14:39

they were just like photoshopped out of

14:41

a f***ing movie and then just reappeared

14:43

again in a different place, I think,

14:45

with the naval soldiers fused to the

14:48

deck of the ship. Alright,

14:50

as I say, the family are now losing

14:52

it and the search party has been organised.

14:55

But as hard as these neighbours searched, and

14:57

the search went on for a month, David

14:59

was nowhere to be found. A

15:02

surveyor was even hired to do geological

15:04

testing in case he somehow fell down,

15:07

quote, an old mine shaft. It's pretty

15:09

naive to think a big search party

15:11

with flashlights and dogs are going to

15:14

find this dude. Sort of optimistic. You

15:16

might as well hire an astronomer to point

15:19

a telescope into the stars and you'll have

15:21

just about as good a chance of seeing

15:23

him again. He's gone.

15:26

You need to search the f***ing

15:28

quantum realm with Ant-Man, not

15:30

get a detective from the local police

15:32

department. Yeah, in the 1880s they

15:34

do not kind of remotely have the tools to

15:36

deal with the situation. No. A

15:39

hundred percent. Interesting. I

15:41

mean, I still stand by my theories,

15:43

you know. I agree that

15:46

they're searching the wrong place. They

15:48

need to search the local watering hole. Or

15:50

the not local one. You

15:52

know? Kentucky, go one state over. Jack,

15:55

were you hurt? Were You hurt? Why is

15:57

it? This is a common theme. Common

16:00

theme the this the you maybe have a low

16:02

opinion of David was I don't think is warranted

16:04

because I seem to him and script I said

16:06

he was us our family man through and through

16:08

or something like that. Bought me dizzy.

16:10

Come back. Against the Stage

16:12

in part to find out. His. Party right

16:15

now turn to are Now I'm not

16:17

assess assess as I got half of

16:19

the fuck out of fitness. As bad

16:21

as No Time for boards is a

16:23

success. However, I mean I guess what

16:25

to see now does he. It. Depends

16:27

rank as he actually gone forever. Is

16:30

Not our now I'm a imbued like

16:32

honestly I don't trust the history of

16:34

Tennessee and eighteen hundreds his arse that

16:36

the people who are doing evil deeds

16:38

back then I don't trust their i'm

16:40

just their word. Well I mean as

16:42

you said this because we will see

16:44

later on that the records. Or.

16:46

Patsy. They. Get a little

16:49

moon shiny the further back around.

16:51

Okay, okay. Interesting. The.

16:53

Incident caused fascination in the townspeople.

16:55

they flocked to the field even

16:58

though there was by definition nothing

17:00

to see. the line family was

17:02

grips with fear and their servants

17:04

all quit in case they too

17:06

would be next. I do love

17:08

the idea of the police officer

17:10

the scene of the crime being

17:12

like nothing to see here. literally

17:14

nothing a a seer he say

17:16

I was allowed so as a

17:18

or ah I'm okay way to

17:20

the servants all quit the sir

17:22

I quits because. They thought they were

17:24

gonna be ruptured. Next I do nothing. What

17:26

we get into the sometimes as you say

17:28

in the time period people thought differently. you

17:30

know it's in it is. I wouldn't be

17:32

surprised. they're look at the this may be

17:34

than through the kind of religious lens or

17:37

something that then I don't I think in.

17:39

Turns. Out. David was listening to

17:42

Marilyn Manson and a spare time because

17:44

Jesus in took him off, the server

17:46

took him off earth on plugged them

17:48

so. Maybe. They would be

17:50

next by Salinas or something. That.

17:52

Will you send me a rapturous miss? The

17:54

Rapture is it when. jesus takes you

17:57

for being bad he isn't take you out like

17:59

going to send Bro, isn't

18:01

this supposed to be good the right want to get raptured

18:03

you want to get raptured. He takes the good people away

18:07

If you stay you're not like it's not like getting

18:09

arrested Jesus is locking you

18:11

up for listening to metal all I know

18:13

is I went to Catholic school I was

18:15

really told what I couldn't do that. I

18:17

was a bad person. I don't know I

18:19

just assumed everything I thought Jesus coming back

18:22

for the second coming was a threat I

18:26

Were you taught by nuns and stuff classic

18:28

style we actually did go to

18:32

Nuns convent for school. Yes a castle

18:34

on a cliffside the nuns had thankfully

18:36

all retired a few years before we

18:38

started Okay, every one of them

18:40

gone. They're all raptured. Yeah, we've talked a

18:42

lot about just things We've brought up school

18:44

We've talked a lot about whenever we get

18:47

interviewed about this show and sometimes people say

18:49

like what's the origin story? We never really

18:51

thought there was an origin story But what

18:53

kind of started to come up like

18:56

in some kind of Freudian therapy was

18:58

we did realize that we went to

19:00

this Catholic school and it

19:02

was supposed to be haunted by like a cursed

19:05

nun or whatever and

19:07

we also had a class called

19:09

heritage class, which was We

19:13

always say it was ostensibly to teach

19:15

Irish heritage and a little bit of

19:17

the Irish language, but our our

19:20

teacher was mental and

19:23

she She took

19:25

it upon herself. I think she kind of Rejigged

19:28

the curriculum a bit and it was bro.

19:31

It was like your recent patreon episode It

19:33

was it was just this

19:35

is a doula hand. This is a band. She this Here's

19:39

how to survive an attack one

19:41

of the exams I remember would involve

19:43

the section called draw a mermaid and

19:46

that was it You were graded on your drawing

19:48

of a mermaid that is so fire She

19:51

was telling us like how to like I remember

19:53

to this day She was like if

19:55

you see a doula hand the only way to kill

19:57

him is to throw a bucket of blood over his

19:59

disembodied And we're taking notes like I'm

20:01

young enough to think this is going to happen

20:04

Thank God. I have a bucket of blood just sitting

20:06

in my room. Just in

20:08

case you know yeah, it's slightly antiquated

20:11

advice What is that? I

20:13

don't even know what that thing is a? Do

20:16

a hand is definitely lesser known

20:18

very similar to like type of

20:20

headless horseman headless horseman Okay with

20:22

an Irish twist. I'd say yes

20:24

interesting I don't know any

20:26

of this shit like that's the thing about other world

20:29

people always like will comment on stuff or like email

20:31

Me like have you read this book and like the

20:33

answer is no before I even see the title of

20:35

the book I've not read any of the books. I

20:38

don't know anything I

20:40

really it's funny that I ended up doing this because

20:42

it's like I guess my origin story is just like

20:44

I don't Really pay attention to this

20:46

stuff at all and still barely do you know maybe

20:49

that's what makes it? I think I gotta

20:51

stay pure. That's my way of that's

20:53

my way of not polluting my mind You

20:55

know I could be truly unbiased by being

20:57

completely uneducated I mean

20:59

that's very similar to our origin story

21:01

as well I think we started this

21:03

as kind of a joke being able

21:05

to claim We were professional paranormal investigators

21:07

while knowing very little about the subject

21:09

itself of course ironically after seven years

21:12

You do become somewhat of an expert

21:14

on the paranormal, so we've kind of

21:16

done it accidentally I know I was kind of

21:18

cracking up in the intro when you guys said

21:20

you're veteran paranormal Investigators because of course you're kind

21:22

of joking, but it is like also gonna yeah

21:24

not like anymore No like you are

21:27

more qualified than a lot of people that do

21:29

call themselves paranormal investigators Which is wild a little

21:31

bit of a tangent, but um yeah It's like

21:34

I'm sure you could relate the world of

21:36

the paranormal is just full of characters full

21:38

of characters You know for better for worse

21:41

So David was gone, but as hopeless

21:43

as it seemed the trail

21:45

was not completely cold It

21:47

was about a year later before any

21:50

clue to David's whereabouts could be found

21:52

in early August 1881

21:55

Sarah and George ventured out into the

21:57

field to look around to their surprise

22:00

In the exact area of the field where David

22:02

had gone missing, the grass

22:04

was unusually tall and

22:07

in a perfectly symmetrical circle. Hmm,

22:09

you say this was a year later? Yep. Okay,

22:12

okay. 15

22:14

feet in diameter, the grass

22:16

grew completely untouched. The

22:19

grazing animals had kept the rest of the

22:21

pasture down, but appeared to

22:23

leave this circular patch eerily untouched.

22:26

They felt like there weren't even any

22:28

insects in the circle. With this

22:30

strange silence in the air, Sarah

22:33

approached and calling into the circle,

22:35

she asked, Father, are

22:37

you anywhere around? She

22:40

called again. Father, are you

22:42

anywhere around? After

22:45

a second time and with no response, Sarah

22:47

and her brother decided it was time to return to the

22:49

house. Disappointed and also

22:51

disturbed by the overgrown ring, they

22:54

turned to leave. But then, one

22:56

last time, she spun around

22:58

and shouted, Father, are you

23:01

anywhere around? Just

23:04

then. Oh,

23:08

okay. Oh,

23:10

shit. Oh,

23:12

shit. Why try

23:14

three times? This

23:16

is already such a wild idea. She

23:21

was like, yo. She wasn't going to do a third. She

23:24

was like, yeah. He was

23:26

going to be twice. He was not going to hear me.

23:28

Did you think he had his headphones on or something? He

23:31

was like, oh, shit. Yeah, what? Did you call me? Can

23:34

you imagine? Can you imagine a year later,

23:36

he stumbles through the door. He

23:38

was like James Franco and, you

23:41

know, a hundred whatever hours. He was stuck

23:43

under a rock and he was like, you guys gave

23:45

up. And I'm like, yeah, we thought you like blipped.

23:48

He's like, no, I was under a rock. Okay.

23:51

Oh, my God. The implication

23:53

here is he can still be

23:56

contacted from Earth to

23:58

wherever he is now. currently existing. Seemingly

24:01

so. All right, there's whatever door

24:03

or portal opened up

24:05

and swallowed him whole, it's still partially

24:07

open. And you guys might not be

24:10

aware because you're on the podcast, but

24:12

the listeners at home heard, that help

24:14

was very distant. Okay,

24:17

very faint, very distant. This

24:20

is the point in the case where if

24:22

I was involved, I would

24:25

do a little approach called the

24:27

GoPro monkey approach, where

24:30

you essentially strap some sort of GoPro

24:32

live streaming to a monkey's

24:34

head and put him in the circle and

24:36

see what happens to the monkey. A hundred

24:38

percent. And like an 1800s version of that.

24:40

Yes, yes. A pen and quill and then

24:42

David. A guy drawing it, really good. A

24:44

guy who could draw really good. Yeah,

24:47

yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I

24:49

like it though. Yeah, we've seen this in

24:51

sci-fi movies, right? It's like there's a kind

24:53

of a rival

24:55

style. There's a big wall and it's like,

24:57

let's strap a rope around

25:00

a goat and send it into the void and see

25:02

what happens. See what happens. Yeah. I

25:04

mean, nine times out of 10, the goat is completely obliterated.

25:07

Yeah. So better to do

25:09

it first with something small than with a

25:11

human or a child. They

25:13

had heard their father's faint cry

25:15

in reply. The children sprinted back

25:17

to the house and alerted Emma. The

25:19

search party came back and they called

25:22

out again. But tragically after several days,

25:24

the voice only grew fainter and fainter

25:26

until it was so quiet, it could

25:28

never be heard again. My

25:31

man is trapped in the Tesseract

25:33

in Interstellar. He's banging the glass.

25:37

Have we come across anything like this before?

25:39

This has kind of some

25:42

interdimensional vibes to it, but

25:44

also kind of ghost behavior. You know, and

25:47

Jack, I know you've dealt with a lot

25:49

of ghosts and spirit cases, contact from beyond

25:51

the veil. Is this typical

25:53

of that kind of contact, being able to just

25:55

speak out through the void? I haven't

25:58

heard too many things like this before now. This

26:00

is pretty unique for even me. I don't think

26:02

we've heard of one like this before. Yeah, just

26:05

being able to talk. But I mean...

26:07

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that is the thing.

26:09

Ghosts, even if they're like throwing

26:12

stuff about your house, they don't usually talk. That's

26:14

usually where they draw the line. Well, they can

26:16

talk, but usually like, draw shit. But

26:18

not like from the earth. It would just be like, I

26:21

feel like I've heard it. People will say

26:23

it appears behind their head or in their

26:25

head or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah,

26:27

yeah. Or you see it... With

26:30

EVP, it turns up in electronic voice

26:32

phenomenon or something like that. You know,

26:34

you gotta crank up a microphone super

26:36

high and then you hear it. Yeah, sometimes

26:38

a ghost will tell you to drink a whiskey.

26:41

Like, uh... Alright, alright. You're trying to be

26:43

real... Again. Have you played that

26:45

clip on the show before? What

26:47

clip? You know what I'm talking about? Is

26:50

it a zig-bagging with this one? Yes. Yeah,

26:52

I think I've seen this one before. It

26:54

might be the funniest video I've

26:56

ever seen. Oh, f***. Sorry.

26:59

Show us. I'd be in a dumbass. I know the

27:01

exact one. Oh my god, we haven't... We never covered

27:03

that. No. I mean, it just wouldn't come out. Yeah,

27:06

yeah. Can I derail it and play it?

27:08

Okay, go. Oh, here it is. It's

27:11

on the Discovery Channel. I'm

27:13

laughing. I feel like this is important.

27:16

I feel like this is a big moment for your show.

27:18

To be able to like, watch this, you

27:20

know? It's not like it's an exclusive premiere, but

27:22

I think it's like something that should be on

27:24

the feed, you know? In the historical

27:27

records. They want me to drink another

27:29

whiskey, dude. Oh, that's

27:32

weird. That

27:34

is a weird impulse, man. Billy

27:36

starts acting very strange and has

27:39

this sudden impulse to drink more

27:41

whiskey. Out of all the

27:43

times that we've been ghost hunting and stuff, I have

27:45

never had an impulse. I want to drink that right

27:47

now. I want another shot of this whiskey right

27:49

now. What, you're gonna be drunk?

27:51

It's the weirdest thing. I want to do it.

27:55

Can I just do it? Oh, you might get drunk. Now they're telling me

27:57

we should do it. Billy. Cheers.

28:00

your third shot. Never

28:02

done this before in a lockdown. That's three

28:05

shots of whiskey you just did bro. Feels

28:08

good. That is legitimately

28:10

one of the best things I've ever seen in my

28:12

life. Also the caption ghost makes

28:14

him drink whiskey. Yeah we gotta send you

28:16

the the Derek Acora clip because it's it's

28:19

on the same level of best kind of

28:21

paranormal clip from a show I've

28:23

seen in my entire life. It's so funny.

28:26

That's I mean dude that's the problem with like covering

28:28

this type of stuff is that so much of it

28:30

is silly you know. Oh

28:33

yeah a lot. People already don't take this

28:35

stuff seriously so when the show's a little

28:38

silly it's like yeah I don't know

28:40

even the psychic stuff like I don't like

28:42

completely write off the possibilities

28:44

of mediums or psychics or whatever but like even

28:47

if you're good at that I have to imagine

28:49

like if you have a tv show there's temptations

28:51

to cheat or like to make it easy on

28:53

yourself you know right. Oh yeah I think we

28:55

we only at one point have kind of talked

28:58

to a producer guy who was a little inside

29:00

the world of those paranormal tv shows and

29:02

he was like he's like they all fake it by the way 100% completely

29:05

fake it's like none of it is real they

29:07

all know it's not real and you're like ah

29:09

I don't know what I expected I guess yeah

29:11

of course it is like wrestling all over again

29:13

you're like why am I why am I so

29:15

naive yeah it's still no it's

29:18

frustrating and just for

29:20

the record I go to great lengths

29:22

to do the exact opposite of that

29:24

you know like yeah I would rather

29:26

delete the show from the entire feed

29:28

than fake anything or do anything that

29:30

I thought was fictional in any way.

29:32

Yeah I wanted to ask that because

29:35

I heard you say on a podcast

29:37

or somewhere else that you've

29:40

been doing it long enough now that

29:42

and you've interviewed enough people about their

29:44

experiences that you said it's easy to

29:46

tell when someone's telling the truth or

29:49

not. Yes I mean so how

29:51

do you interview like a ton of people

29:53

honestly um I mean I say

29:55

like the main way is like most people

29:57

aren't good storytellers most people aren't creative so.

30:00

when somebody's lying, oftentimes it's

30:02

just boring. So like, I

30:05

mean, I find a lot of this material boring in the first

30:07

place where it's like, you know, I'm

30:09

inherently skeptical. So the only things that

30:11

like really locked me in is when I'm like, tapped

30:13

into a person who had

30:16

like a visceral experience of

30:18

something they can't explain and their reaction

30:20

to it. So that doesn't

30:22

really come with a lie. It's really, really hard

30:24

to fake that. And so that's one thing. So

30:26

there's just like, it's not like there's a

30:28

list of things, of like

30:30

tells or whatever, but you just, you just know,

30:32

you just know when somebody's lying. It's

30:36

pretty obvious. We do a lot of vetting

30:38

before it even gets to like an interview. And

30:41

so I don't encounter people who are like

30:44

lying, trying to, trying to

30:47

like get on the show or whatever, like be deceptive.

30:49

I don't think, and if I thought that I have

30:51

a contract that exists that I could send to people

30:53

that says like, that I am telling the truth and

30:55

I'm being not being, not being deceptive.

30:57

Yeah. I mean,

30:59

I don't have people sign that most of

31:01

the time just because I forget, but I've had people

31:03

sign it before and I probably

31:05

should mostly just to avoid

31:07

like if somebody did for some reason try

31:09

to pull an elaborate hoax, like it's just

31:11

a bluff call. Yeah. Scare

31:14

off the liars at least. Yeah. Which

31:16

I, to be clear, like I don't even think

31:18

people email me lying, you know, I think some

31:21

people maybe accidentally lie to themselves a little bit.

31:23

That makes sense. Yeah. Oh

31:25

yeah. But I don't think people have emailed me or

31:27

whatever to deceive because also like

31:29

I'm way too curious. So I think

31:32

the lie becomes more difficult as it goes on

31:34

where I like, I always want to talk to

31:36

people's like mom and dad and like sister and

31:38

like whether or not I'm interviewing

31:40

them on the podcast, I'll like have way too many

31:42

questions. I think that I would probably just exhaust somebody

31:44

if they're trying to like really

31:46

lie to me. And then the day and at

31:48

the end of the day for what? I mean, like most of

31:50

the time these people are anonymous. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

31:54

So true. And we talk about that all the time that we

31:56

have, we have our list of

31:59

like red flags. when it comes

32:01

to an episode of like, you know, it gets to

32:03

the end of a UFO encounter

32:05

and they've like signed a book deal and they're

32:07

doing a speaking tour and whatever and it's like,

32:10

oh, here we go. All right. Because

32:12

you know, the the monetary gain is

32:14

just too too murky. What are some

32:16

examples of that with you guys are?

32:18

Here's a great example. There was

32:21

the house wasn't there the house in

32:23

like Spain or something a long

32:25

time ago and there was like faces started

32:27

appearing in the walls. Yeah, yeah. These weird

32:29

faces and they left it 48 hours before

32:31

they started charging like five bucks to see

32:33

the faces, you know, and it's like, all

32:36

right, I think we're done here. You know, you know, like, we're

32:39

not getting like journalists in or we're not

32:41

getting experts in to figure what's going on.

32:43

We're just immediately like charging people to see.

32:45

Call her normal. Yeah, that's really funny. I

32:47

mean, get the bag, you know, get the

32:49

bag, the bag. Although I mean,

32:52

and it's hard to say because it's

32:54

like I don't know if like speaking

32:56

places disqualifies people from being credible,

32:58

but sure definitely doesn't help. Like

33:00

I think there is

33:02

that the paranormal industrial complex, you

33:05

know, like the conventions and stuff. I

33:07

think people get pulled into that world and your group, you're

33:10

grouped in with like everybody, you know,

33:13

yeah, there's a lot of stuff that I've never gone to

33:15

one but I

33:17

know people who have I've seen talking about

33:19

going to one for the first time. Yeah,

33:21

we're trying to pick one to be the

33:23

first one we ever visit just a deep

33:26

dive into that insanity, you know, it's

33:28

interesting. But yeah, I feel like it's

33:30

easy to tell. And I mean, even not to

33:33

poo poo, but like even this story, it's like, I have

33:35

a hard time believing even a word

33:37

of this just given the nature of

33:39

how it's written in this is unbelievable.

33:41

This is unbelievable. Well, not even that

33:43

part. Just like the weird like the

33:45

weird style in which it's written. It's

33:48

like this third person. Yeah, the storytelling

33:50

and the writing. Well, maybe,

33:52

well, maybe if my co-investigators would

33:55

wait until the end of the day, they would

33:57

understand why it's written in the

33:59

third person. I love you. It's written like a

34:01

story It

34:03

is written like a or details of

34:06

anybody's hey off the ball.

34:08

Yeah, sorry their own quotes father Are you

34:10

anywhere around? I think that was a direct

34:12

quote from? I'm

34:14

pretty sure Okay,

34:17

I'm getting roasted. This is complete bullshit. You

34:19

just completely made it up You've

34:21

you've run out of paranormal stories because you've done

34:24

too many episodes I'm

34:26

like asking you I'm like, how can you

34:28

tell what someone's lying because I'm worried No, yeah,

34:30

you're getting defensive. You're like, I actually think it's

34:33

written great. I think this is great writing

34:35

Honestly, I think person shows a lot of

34:37

promise. Maybe you should be a screenwriter. Oh

34:40

god. Damn it I didn't even

34:42

write the shit. Oh god damn it well,

34:45

one of the coolest and craziest things I

34:47

think about this story is How

34:50

strongly believed this is by the

34:53

townspeople of Gallatin today and in

34:55

this county Unfortunately,

34:57

there aren't great records from this time period

34:59

in the county So we don't have a

35:02

birth certificate with David Lang on it as

35:04

Roy said it got a little moonshiny after

35:06

a couple years But

35:08

the story has stayed very strong by a word

35:10

of mouth in this area This

35:13

has really captured the imaginations of people in this

35:15

town to this day they can

35:17

point to the location of the disappearance of

35:20

where the patch of grass was and Ironically,

35:22

it's now in a sand bunker on the

35:24

town's golf course. Really? Okay,

35:26

so it really hasn't been preserved No,

35:31

you gotta you gotta golf as

35:33

lifelong Gallatin resident Sally

35:35

Rob Greer put it quote I

35:38

think it's odd that it would be perpetuated

35:40

for that long if something hadn't happened. Okay.

35:43

Well, she said it She

35:45

said it so I'm back on board. Honestly,

35:47

I trust Ali Back

35:49

on board Use

35:51

that this claim that everyone believes in

35:54

it so much it it's so important to

35:56

the culture and then they built a golf

35:58

course on top of it Like

36:00

those feel like very different ways

36:02

of treasuring a moment in your

36:04

town's history. Yes. They,

36:08

I wouldn't say they cherish it, but they

36:10

believe it. And they think this is like

36:12

their local ghost story or whatever. They're like,

36:15

well, always remember the spot where it took

36:17

place. It's where that

36:19

Taco Bell stands now. It's around hole 12

36:22

on the back nine. Yeah. People

36:24

believing in something for a long time, making

36:26

it right, is not a great line

36:29

of thinking to have in Tennessee, especially

36:31

when you're discussing events that

36:33

occurred in the 1800s. That's very true.

36:35

There's a lot of things they were doing in that

36:38

area that were... I think there's a lot more things that

36:40

they are trying to pave over. There's a lot of things

36:42

they believed that were not great, were not okay. So,

36:45

you know, I think

36:47

I'm going to disagree with Sally there. Damn.

36:50

Jack's coming for the Southern listeners from his, from his

36:53

coastal elite podcast studio. How

36:57

many, do you guys have a lot of Tennessee listeners? They'll

37:00

respect me. They'll respect me. I

37:02

would think not. I would think not. I was actually

37:04

born in Georgia. There's like... So

37:06

we carry some credit with

37:08

the Southern listeners, believe it or not. Were

37:10

you born in Georgia? Born

37:13

in Georgia and then grew up

37:15

in Northern Ireland with this guy over here. So

37:17

yeah. Wow. A little

37:19

bit of both. When did you move

37:21

to Ireland? When I was

37:23

about four years old. Okay. Okay.

37:26

Yes. I didn't even have my first sip

37:28

of moonshine. We have a Southern perspective

37:30

in a sense. Yeah, man.

37:33

And I'm not the true, I'm from the Midwest, so

37:36

I'm not a true coastal elite. Although, Chicago,

37:39

it's not exactly the South,

37:41

but you know. Right. Yeah.

37:44

Kip calls himself a coastal elite, but that's

37:46

the North Coast of Northern Ireland. Yeah. I

37:48

mean, you guys, pretty much all coast, right?

37:51

Yeah. You're never too far. Yeah.

37:54

That's really funny. It's all

37:57

coast and then a small patch of grass in the

37:59

mid- where a guy disappeared 200 years ago. We're

38:02

all trying to get as far away from

38:05

the bit in the middle. That's right. By

38:07

the way, correction for myself is that... Go

38:10

on. I realized that you're reading from some kind

38:12

of like script of sorts that was a pile

38:14

of the story. I thought you were reading an

38:16

article. I thought you were reading like the main

38:19

story. So sorry to criticize. You don't have to

38:21

cut him slack. Don't worry. It's bad so far.

38:24

Okay. No, the writing

38:26

is a podcast script. Sounds good.

38:28

Yeah, podcast script based on... Right.

38:31

I can't agree with the lyrics. I see you

38:33

holding... I see you behind a laptop. I don't

38:35

know what's on the screen. I'm imagining like... Buzzfeed.

38:38

Scary Tennessee dot com. Yeah. You

38:41

know, with like a... I'm

38:43

imagining like a black and white picture

38:45

of a farm. Dude, we

38:47

don't f*** about over here. We got a light.

38:50

We got microphones. We got someone wrote

38:52

a script. Mm-hmm. Okay. We

38:54

did forget to take the basketball hoop down.

38:56

That's supposed to be another sign panel. So,

38:58

that's a point. Distilled information. So, my apologies

39:00

to whoever wrote that. I will not eliminate

39:03

the story based on the vibe of the

39:06

text. There's nothing... What we're establishing

39:08

here is that the script itself is good.

39:10

It is the voice and the delivery of

39:12

it. The pacing of the story. The delivery

39:14

is great too. The pacing of the story.

39:16

The delivery is great too. I thought if

39:18

this was the original story, I would be

39:20

highly suspicious just based on the way it was written. Yes.

39:23

I would say you should be suspicious.

39:25

Okay. The disappearance of David Lang is

39:28

a cherished... I can't believe

39:30

I just said it's not cherished. You

39:33

were like, well, they cherished it. I was like, no

39:35

one said cherished. And then the next thing I said

39:37

is, the disappearance of David Lang is a cherished paranormal

39:39

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39:42

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what the f*** was going on back in 1880 on

42:22

David Lang's farm? We're gonna dive

42:24

into the paranormal possibilities. Theory

42:27

one. And stay with me here

42:29

UFO abduction. When

42:31

NPR investigated this... Don't

42:34

laugh! We're

42:37

already at the bottom of the barrel. Oh

42:41

my god. When our good friends who were

42:43

at NPR investigated this story back in 2007,

42:47

they spoke to the mayor of this town

42:49

and he said quote, they described what we

42:51

today would believe to be an alien abduction.

42:53

They described it to a T. Oh

42:56

he didn't? Who did? The

42:59

story. He vanished. Is the

43:01

possibility here is, was he abducted

43:03

by aliens teleported onto an alien

43:06

craft? But in 1880 they didn't

43:08

have the language or the frame

43:10

of reference for that. Yeah I

43:12

mean we've investigated a ton of

43:14

abduction cases before and never has

43:16

it been an instantaneous blip where

43:18

the the person being abducted has

43:21

just disappeared. If anything it's usually

43:23

quite a traumatic experience. It's usually

43:25

quite drawn out actually. Where someone

43:27

is, their skin is burnt

43:29

off of their flesh with radiation and there's

43:31

a light coming down and it's quite a

43:33

traumatic experience. It's not just kind of a

43:35

pop and you're gone. It's a good point.

43:37

What say you Jack? I agree. Yeah I

43:40

wouldn't go to aliens right away with this.

43:42

I mean I guess they have the ring,

43:45

the ring of grass. Why would it be a year

43:47

later? You know. Yeah. Also anytime

43:49

we've had cases where UFOs

43:51

or crafts have interacted with the

43:54

Earth, what's

43:56

left behind is usually a patch of grass

43:58

where shit doesn't grow. Yeah. You

44:00

know, or the trees and vegetation is

44:02

kind of mutated in a strange way.

44:04

It doesn't grow extra long. It's

44:07

mutated into growing extra long. To be fair that could be

44:09

something. Yeah, I don't know. You would

44:11

make a good point though. That is something

44:13

we look for in UFO cases, which is

44:15

an interaction, some kind of physical evidence left

44:17

on the landscape, which a little bit

44:19

of. 15 feet wide? Yeah,

44:22

the invisible saucer. Yeah, it's

44:24

tough. F*** me!

44:27

Tough crowd today, god damn it.

44:29

It's tough. It's tough.

44:31

I'm still sticking to my original explanation.

44:34

Okay, alright stay with me. That one

44:36

didn't land. Theory 2. Interdimensional

44:39

travel. This seems the most obvious. Our

44:42

patch of overgrown grass in the

44:44

field is there a warp

44:46

in space-time that David stepped into,

44:49

wrenching him into a parallel universe.

44:52

Local reporter in the town, Kette

44:54

Kulaakowski, said it could be

44:56

like the Bermuda Triangle. I think I resonate more

44:58

with this one. Just

45:01

kind of a blip, a freak

45:03

out in the space-time

45:05

continuum. Just something not connecting

45:07

properly and someone just popping out

45:09

of existence. Like time slips. Like

45:11

time slips. I know

45:13

it basically was a creepy pasta, but we,

45:16

not too long ago on the podcast,

45:19

investigated the concept of the back rooms.

45:21

Yeah. And I

45:23

thought that was really cool. The idea that someone

45:25

could essentially hit a glitch in

45:27

the real world and like no clip out

45:29

of existence and end up somewhere else. I

45:32

like that. It's very cool. So, you know,

45:34

this is maybe kind of an old-timey version

45:36

of it. But yeah, it's

45:38

a decent explanation. I would buy that over

45:41

an alien abduction. I think he was in

45:43

the back rooms. I'll write back rooms of the

45:46

lunar. The back

45:48

rooms of Kid Rock's seven foot

45:50

party bar. Yeah, this is

45:52

interesting though. You keep going. I don't want to

45:55

distract you. I don't want to distract you. We

45:57

do know that animals are reported to have six

45:59

senses. that we don't have, we

46:02

did hear that they were staying away from

46:04

this patch of grass. That's why the

46:06

grass was there, was because they weren't eating it. They

46:08

were staying away from the site of the disturbance. Were

46:11

they staying away because they could sense something we couldn't? Is

46:15

it this portal? Right, in the same way people

46:17

believe that cats can see ghosts. Yes.

46:19

You're saying is there some kind of thing

46:21

that the animals are saying that we aren't seeing?

46:24

Of course, on this paranormal life, we want to

46:26

tell the whole story and we always try to

46:29

look at rational explanations for what could have happened

46:31

too. There was always

46:33

the possibility that without detailed records in

46:35

this area or physical evidence that this

46:37

is just a legend or a hoax.

46:40

One Tennessee librarian, Herschel Payne,

46:43

looked deep into this story and

46:46

they believe they've cracked it. They

46:48

allege that the story was

46:50

actually written as a piece of fiction

46:52

by a writer called Joseph Mulhatton. Now

46:55

don't get excited, oh here we go.

46:57

This is me telling the story

46:59

is like hiking the f***ing, you know the edge

47:04

of Everest where it's like one false movie

47:06

either way and this story crumbles. Okay, okay.

47:08

All right, stay with me. By a fiction

47:10

writer called Joseph Mulhatton, he was a

47:13

well-known hoaxer who

47:16

in the early 1970s entered

47:18

a lying competition. Just stop

47:20

now. Just stop reading

47:22

now and let's go to

47:25

conclusions. A lying

47:27

competition? That's not even a real thing.

47:29

He lied about it. He

47:31

lied, he entered. There's

47:35

no such thing. Oh shit, he lied about entering

47:37

the lying competition. I didn't even think of that.

47:40

I mean, I hope he won. I hope he won,

47:42

it's still working. He has

47:44

people on a- God, he's a

47:46

cry. He might have entered a

47:48

lying competition by telling a story about

47:51

a farmer that went missing in Sumner

47:53

County. Is it the same farmer? I

47:56

don't believe that that story was actually ever written

47:58

down, but there is a- story

48:00

from 1893 by

48:03

Ambrose Pierce called the difficulty of

48:05

crossing a field which has

48:07

a lot of similarities about a farmer

48:09

going instantly missing but it begs the

48:11

question. Second fictional story just to be

48:13

clear? Yeah earlier than the Lion Competition

48:15

too. It begs the question were

48:18

they inspired by the real events of David Lang

48:21

going missing? What if in the very beginning I

48:23

was like this sounds really familiar to the short

48:25

story by Ambrose Pierce in 1933 called the Difficulties

48:27

of Traveling in a Field. I

48:31

would have deleted that from the final edit Jack. I

48:33

would have said yeah amazing insight Jack and then deleted

48:35

it. Or like what you could do is maybe insert

48:38

it in the beginning to make me sound smarter.

48:40

I give you wild lines like you know this

48:43

sounds a lot like a short

48:45

story I read from 1833

48:47

by Ambrose Pierce. Now

48:49

that would work until you said I think 15 minutes

48:52

ago if someone asked me whether I

48:54

read a book the automatic answer is no. Well

48:57

this is a short story you know. Okay it

48:59

is not a novel yet. It's like yes the

49:01

book. You know this is. You know. But people

49:03

would be impressed they're like wow Jack Jack

49:06

reads a lot of ancient

49:09

southern literature. Yeah he's big into his

49:11

1880s stuff. I

49:13

love that your defense regarding the first

49:15

story that was told at a lying

49:18

competition was the fact that you don't

49:20

think it was ever written down and

49:22

that's it. It still could

49:24

have been. The lying competition wasn't written down. The

49:27

story told. I think he just I think

49:29

he told it. The fact that he I would say that

49:31

like if there's anything to

49:33

disqualify somebody's credibility it's that if they've

49:36

been in

49:38

a lying competition which I didn't

49:40

even know existed. What

49:42

are the judging criteria? I guess

49:45

if it's a good lie I

49:47

don't know. Yeah yeah yeah yeah

49:49

yeah yeah. Yeah I guess it's like that party game you

49:51

play. I don't know what you call that. But yeah when

49:53

everyone tells a lie like two truths

49:55

in a lie. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah I

49:57

guess that's kind of like a lying competition. Is

50:00

that like all the people who entered it

50:02

are probably going around telling people that they

50:04

won the competition right? That's the final test

50:06

it really takes away really takes away from

50:08

the glory of winning you know Yeah,

50:11

as Rory said the competition didn't exist

50:13

he lied about entering also When

50:15

if you win you probably wouldn't tell people that you won

50:17

because you would not want them to know you're a liar

50:20

So it's like you lose it. Yeah, that's a

50:22

really good point. Yeah, the judge will be like hey you

50:24

excited to be here today You're like

50:26

no I'm not here

50:28

today. I don't You could

50:30

tell I would be bad at that competition because

50:33

if I were good at lying I wouldn't have

50:35

said any of the stuff that made this case

50:37

bad. Yeah, okay So

50:39

what do we think about this one? Are there

50:41

any more explanations before we kind of there are

50:43

not I like how you guys are still entertaining

50:46

Parent of my place is actually after the lying competition Was

50:50

there even like my question like dude this

50:52

wasn't even that long ago Like where's his

50:54

family like it's the family around like

50:56

where's David Lang's family really good question

50:59

Maybe not that long ago It's

51:02

a long time. It's a long time guys. Oh

51:05

There was very little to this story We

51:08

kind of a man disappeared and we didn't know where

51:10

he went that we took an ad break

51:13

and it was like what do you think? Happens like there's

51:15

not more the He

51:18

was only one of a group

51:21

of individuals who have disappeared in the past

51:23

or yeah I thought there was gonna be

51:25

like a whole thing that this was a

51:27

phenomenon What didn't you get about me saying

51:29

he vanished instantly? The

51:31

story is over in an instant. It's a miracle.

51:33

I stretched it into an hour-long podcast Well,

51:36

let me let me spend the tables on you guys

51:38

what I assume a lot of your

51:40

episodes are like this, right? Goofing

51:42

around sort of silly stories in the

51:45

past which ones are there any

51:47

ones that you have done on here? Where

51:49

it got a little serious where you're like,

51:51

oh shit, like this is pretty crazy. This

51:53

might be real dude all the

51:55

time Something here which ones we're

51:57

kind of guilty. We tend to gravitate towards

52:00

more UFO stories and alien stories. Okay.

52:02

So I think we've had a couple

52:04

in the past. We had the

52:07

Shag Harbor incident that took

52:09

place in Canada. We

52:12

had, you did one recently, the

52:14

Florence UFO, where a UFO

52:16

appeared in front of a football stadium full

52:18

of people. Really crazy stuff.

52:20

But then we've also had some ones

52:22

regarding cursed objects that have been really

52:25

interesting. And we're always

52:27

a little skeptical of kind of the poltergeist and

52:29

the cryptid cases, but now and again, even a

52:31

few of those, we give a double yes. Yeah.

52:34

I was going to say, we, I think

52:36

the one that gets the least love from

52:38

our stories, we believe is the hardest to

52:40

prove is often those ghost cases, which I

52:42

feel like you cover a lot of stuff

52:44

in that realm of ghosts or spirits. Do

52:47

you think that's true? Do you think that's like harder

52:49

maybe because there's less physical evidence? Oh, of course, harder

52:51

to prove 100%. I

52:53

mean, we didn't even know how you would prove it, right? Because

52:55

we don't know what the ghost is. So

52:57

that's like another funny thing from my

52:59

vantage point doing this, like an annoying comment is

53:02

always like, why didn't they pull out their camera?

53:04

Did they think about setting, like, by the way, regardless

53:07

of like what time period this took

53:09

place, people are always like, why didn't they set up a video camera?

53:13

Which is funny because it's like, dude, have you

53:15

looked at video footage from before 2008? Yeah.

53:19

It wouldn't, it would be useless. Useless.

53:22

I shot, I tried to shoot a ghost documentary in high

53:24

school and I thought I captured something, but in reality, it's

53:26

like three pixels of

53:29

content. Not like, it doesn't look like anything no

53:31

matter what. But you know, we don't

53:33

know what ghosts are. We

53:35

don't know if it can be photographed, right? A

53:37

lot of things can't be. It

53:39

might be because cameras only capture a

53:42

very limited amount of the light spectrum,

53:44

right? Especially digital,

53:46

which is why video up until recently

53:48

had that look to it where the

53:50

sky would just be white, you know,

53:52

like on all home video cameras, only

53:54

a very limited range of light. But

53:57

so yeah, we don't know like how you could

53:59

even capture. after that, but it

54:01

doesn't mean that it's not real. And also on

54:04

the converse, AI is improving every single

54:06

day. So we're rapidly approaching the point

54:08

where even if you did have a

54:10

photo, what would that do? But

54:14

that's why I like talking to people

54:17

and focusing on first-person stories, because I

54:19

can always ask them, I'm hearing what

54:21

they went through, how it affected them, regardless

54:24

of what you think about what happened to

54:26

them. It usually affected them in a profound

54:28

way, otherwise I wouldn't be talking to them. So

54:31

I'm always interested in hearing it from the

54:33

person themselves, right? Even

54:35

if it's true, even if David Lang disappeared, it's

54:38

very easy to be like, this is a man

54:40

who ghosted his family to go to a saloon,

54:42

but it'd be very different if you're talking to somebody from his

54:44

family, or obviously we can't. It was

54:46

in 1880, but there's just something. Welcome

54:49

to the coal. Am I lying? This is

54:51

great. You're going to feel like a shit

54:53

in the minute. But yeah,

54:55

I mean, all of this is so weird, like

54:58

first-person testimony, right? Yeah,

55:00

it's funny. We just a few

55:02

weeks ago did a Valentine's Day

55:05

special for the podcast, and

55:07

for that case, we investigated a man

55:10

called David Huggins, who is

55:12

an individual who claims to have

55:14

lost his virginity to an alien.

55:17

And it's the exact same thing where it's like,

55:19

when you look at the, when you hear the

55:21

story and like read about it, it's a

55:23

very funny idea and you laugh about

55:25

it. And then there's a whole documentary where you

55:27

can just listen to him tell his stories and

55:29

stuff. And immediately you're like, well, I do feel

55:31

a little differently now that I'm like listening to

55:33

his testimonies and stuff. No, I joke,

55:35

but like there are a lot

55:38

of stories out there like that, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

55:40

because I was listening to Otherworld, and

55:42

you had on, I mean, one of your recent ones,

55:45

you were talking about how much you love NDEs, Near-Death

55:48

Experiences, which we love, of

55:50

course, and we've covered in the past. And

55:53

on one of your recent ones

55:56

you had in the Valley, this

55:59

guy who... I mean, I'll not ruin

56:01

it for the listeners, but had

56:03

a near-death experience and had a

56:05

pretty amazing experience of a kind

56:08

of heavenly or purgatorial plane.

56:10

And it was cool to see in

56:12

your Reddit community, like how, like

56:14

just as you're saying, that it's way

56:17

more impactful to hear these stories firsthand, because

56:19

I saw on Reddit, people were like, man,

56:21

this is like some life-affirming stuff. Interesting. Interesting

56:23

to hear that there's Reddit saying something

56:25

nice about the podcast. I want to

56:27

talk about something I don't read. Something

56:30

I don't read is that. You're

56:32

like, that's paranormal. Let me tell you.

56:34

Oh, dude, I have said multiple times

56:36

is that I would rather

56:38

have a poltergeist in my

56:40

house than have to read the Reddit comments

56:43

about me every single day. We

56:47

have like so many listeners and like Reddit

56:49

inherently is just like, usually where

56:51

people go to like leave Yelp

56:54

style complaints about like, yeah. I

56:56

mean, my response to most things that it's

56:58

all usually negative. And

57:01

anytime I read it, I'll get so hung up on it. It's like nearly

57:03

positive 4.9 star rating on

57:06

iTunes or whatever. But I'll hear

57:09

some deranged comment on Reddit or read one

57:11

and get what it bothered me. You know,

57:14

guys, guys, guys, ladies and gentlemen

57:16

of the jury, I think we've

57:18

heard a pretty fascinating tale today.

57:21

Well, well, well, well, it's pretty

57:23

hot in here in this courtroom.

57:26

Down in Tennessee. We've

57:29

heard a great story. I think we can all agree on

57:31

that. It's been pretty compelling. There's

57:33

been dialogue. Sure. OK.

57:37

The wolves are at the door at the

57:39

end of every episode of this paranormal life.

57:41

We have to decide whether a given case

57:44

is really paranormal or not with a with

57:46

a final yes or a no. Now, normally

57:49

that would be with Judge one over here,

57:51

Judge two over here, and it would be

57:53

either a double yes or a double no

57:55

or disagreement. What we want to do on

57:57

this episode is we've got another expert paranormal

57:59

investigator. In the mix right now,

58:01

we want to hand this one directly over

58:03

to Jack, overrule these two judges, give us

58:05

a yes or a no. And whether you

58:07

think the disappearance of David Lang is

58:10

truly paranormal or not. Yes.

58:14

What?! No. No. No.

58:17

No. No. I mean, dude, guys, think about it.

58:19

Think about it. My heart was about to go. Think about it.

58:21

My heart was about to go. The guy who wrote this was

58:23

in a liars competition. Yeah. Easy

58:25

to think. It says that. This is a lie. No,

58:28

you're, that's too simple. If

58:30

he's a real champion liar, it's going to be

58:32

a double, maybe even triple lie. So that he's

58:34

telling you something true from an

58:36

untrustworthy vantage point on purpose to hide the

58:38

truth from you. So, you know, maybe this

58:40

is. My third eye is open.

58:43

Maybe the storyteller was David. That's

58:47

who, what I say is that's in

58:49

the liars competition. Humbert Lierson? Wait,

58:51

wait, wait. I'm trying to remember his name. What

58:54

was his name? Even

58:57

if his first name was Humbert, we shouldn't

58:59

believe him. Yeah. Forget liars. I believed you

59:01

for a second. I

59:03

was thinking of the librarian Herschel Payne.

59:07

No, the liar was Joseph Manhattan. Okay.

59:09

Okay. Okay. So, all right.

59:11

I mean, I don't know. It's

59:14

understandable. You know, you've seen some pretty,

59:17

as you said it yourself, it's easy to know.

59:19

Drop of a hat, whether a case is true

59:21

or not. So, yeah, I mean, I don't think this is. Based

59:25

on the information, I think we all know this is

59:27

probably. That's safe to say. And I think,

59:29

obviously, we're not getting a vote from Rory

59:31

this week, but I'm sure Rory would have

59:34

been more on my side if he had had the opportunity to vote. If your

59:36

side is also no, then you are right. I

59:38

would have. Oh, right. Moving on.

59:41

Well, I've learned my lesson. I

59:44

just need to, next time I'm researching a

59:46

case, I need to just control F, search

59:48

for the term liar in the case for. Liar

59:51

competition. Yeah. Not

59:53

cover the case if that happens

59:55

next. But I hope you guys have enjoyed

59:58

this investigation into the disappearance. of

1:00:01

David Lang. It is just one

1:00:03

of many here in this paranormal life

1:00:06

and one of many that Jack has

1:00:08

been covering over on Otherworld. I did want to say,

1:00:10

I mean, you are, the show

1:00:12

started in 2022, so you

1:00:14

are still relatively new to the world

1:00:16

of the paranormal. How's that been? Oh,

1:00:19

100% new. It's been

1:00:21

cool. I'm just like figuring it out as

1:00:24

I go. I don't know if my beliefs have

1:00:26

changed too much. I've become a little bit more

1:00:28

open-minded for sure. Yeah, I think that's the path

1:00:30

we all go on. It's

1:00:33

interesting doing a show. I mean,

1:00:35

this is a show that's more serious than I'm

1:00:38

used to doing, you know? So that's a big change for me.

1:00:41

But it's cool. I mean, to

1:00:43

me, it's like not that different than just telling regular

1:00:45

stories from people or I don't treat it any differently.

1:00:47

So that's mostly my focus. But

1:00:50

it's fascinating. Like I said, I'm not

1:00:53

like into the paranormal as like a

1:00:56

hobby. Yeah, because for any of our

1:00:58

listeners tuning in, and if

1:01:00

they're not already familiar with Otherworld, it's

1:01:02

fair to say, Jack, that's almost what makes

1:01:05

Otherworld kind of compelling. And your

1:01:07

story is interesting. And dude, you've

1:01:09

been everywhere over the last year with like, in

1:01:12

newspapers and profiles and stuff, because it

1:01:14

is a cool story, because Jack's background

1:01:17

is in, well, multiple different things, but including

1:01:19

you spent a long time podcasting at

1:01:22

Yeah, but still a great podcast, but more kind

1:01:24

of comedy. But then you were almost

1:01:27

pulled into the paranormal almost by accident.

1:01:29

No, 100%. Yeah, I mean, it was

1:01:32

just like started making Halloween

1:01:34

specials for that show for fun.

1:01:36

And I just realized how

1:01:38

many of these were out here. And like,

1:01:41

the stories weren't really getting told in a way

1:01:43

that were believable. Even if I thought

1:01:45

the stories were credible, you know, there just wasn't

1:01:47

like a home, I want to just create a

1:01:50

home for some of these stories. And my

1:01:52

hope was that if I do a good

1:01:54

job, more stories would come and

1:01:57

increasingly intense ones and so far, that's

1:01:59

been working, which is

1:02:01

pretty cool. We get crazy, amazing stories

1:02:03

all the time, but the timing isn't always

1:02:05

right. So a lot of times we're just

1:02:07

putting it into a folder where

1:02:09

it's like this category and something

1:02:11

that we need to record. Sometimes

1:02:14

I circle back way late with people and

1:02:16

end up interviewing them. Or

1:02:18

sometimes something's just really, really weird. I don't know what to

1:02:21

do with it. And I kind

1:02:23

of save it in case I get something similar

1:02:25

down the road where all of a sudden it

1:02:27

all makes sense. But it's fun. Reading

1:02:29

them is fun. It's just like it takes

1:02:31

a lot of time. Yeah, man. Well, dude,

1:02:34

Otherworld is a fantastic show that I

1:02:37

highly recommend that any of our listeners

1:02:39

check out. It's absolutely

1:02:41

in the wheelhouse of, yeah, the

1:02:43

more earnest and deeper

1:02:46

side to the paranormal that we touch on

1:02:48

here at this paranormal life. So

1:02:50

Jack, why don't you tell the good people where

1:02:53

they can find everything Otherworld? You could

1:02:55

listen to it wherever you get your podcasts.

1:02:57

I think we're everywhere. We're

1:03:00

at Otherworld Pod on Instagram, Twitter,

1:03:03

and TikTok, mainly

1:03:05

Instagram, and TikTok. I don't really

1:03:07

use the Twitter too much. And

1:03:09

if you have a story, you

1:03:11

could send it to storiesoftheworldpod.com. Please

1:03:14

make it less than 30 pages for us. But

1:03:18

do tell us the story. If anybody

1:03:21

has a good one, we're always looking, right?

1:03:23

We really do read all of the emails

1:03:25

just to process for sure. Do

1:03:28

you have a favorite episode you would recommend

1:03:30

for first time listeners? All of the multi-part

1:03:33

ones are obviously my favorite because I made

1:03:35

it multi-parts. For

1:03:37

your audience, let me think. People

1:03:39

love Kareem and the Jinn. That's a popular

1:03:41

one. Sean Johns, iconic

1:03:43

one for me. I think your audience

1:03:45

might like that. Sean and Gina

1:03:47

and then Obscure Gods is the two episodes.

1:03:51

You guys heard it. First, we have

1:03:53

a number of suggestions of starting points. Jack,

1:03:57

thank you so much for joining us today on

1:03:59

this paranormal. Thanks for having me

1:04:01

guys, talk to you guys later. As

1:04:04

I say I hope you have enjoyed

1:04:06

this investigation into the disappearance of David

1:04:08

Lang. That was fantastic to get Jack's

1:04:10

insight into it all. But

1:04:12

if you couldn't get enough of this

1:04:14

episode, or you couldn't get enough of

1:04:16

this paranormal life in general, remember that

1:04:18

over on patreon.com/this paranormal life, that

1:04:21

is the place that you

1:04:23

can support the show and get so much

1:04:25

in return. Oh yeah,

1:04:27

also the operation to remove the

1:04:29

gobstopper from my throat has left

1:04:31

me with a substantial amount of

1:04:33

medical debt. So we

1:04:36

do need a little bit of support this

1:04:38

month. Okay, right? We do need a little

1:04:40

bit of support. I'm sorry if my voice

1:04:42

sometimes sounds a little raspy, because

1:04:45

I'm still in the recovery process.

1:04:48

Luckily I was able to keep myself

1:04:50

together while Jack was on the call, but

1:04:52

now that he's gone, thank god. I'm coming

1:04:54

out of nowhere. And I mean you did not

1:04:57

long ago on an episode, you did shred your

1:04:59

vocal chords with hot coffee. I need to stop

1:05:01

ingesting things. Yeah, clearly. Back

1:05:04

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1:05:06

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1:05:13

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1:05:18

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1:05:22

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1:05:24

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1:05:26

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1:05:29

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1:05:31

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1:05:46

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