0:00

Hello Commune Rory here from This

0:02

Paranormal Life with another flashback episode!

0:04

Because if you haven't listened yet,

0:07

this week's episode was all about

0:09

sleep paralysis and the German cryptid

0:11

known as the Owl! This

0:14

wasn't the first time we talked about

0:16

sleep paralysis. We actually did a whole

0:18

episode on it back in 2020 that

0:20

not only covered shadow people, but a

0:22

strange figure called the Tall Hat Man.

0:25

It was a spooky classic that we

0:27

thought would go great hand in hand

0:29

with this week's episode. So

0:31

we hope you enjoy and of course we'll

0:33

see you next week for a brand new

0:35

spooky tale! Where

0:38

do ducks go at night? What

0:40

happens if you stab a gun? All

0:42

of these questions you can find the answer to on

0:45

This Paranormal Life!

0:48

Hey welcome everyone! Welcome

0:50

to This Paranormal Life, the comedy

0:53

paranormal podcast where every week we

0:55

investigate a brand new paranormal tale

0:57

and come to the conclusion as

0:59

professional paranormal investigators as to whether

1:02

or not it is in fact

1:04

true or false. My

1:06

name is Roy Powers, I'm going to be

1:09

your host for this week and this guy

1:11

across from me is Kit Greer, my paranormal

1:13

partner in crime. Very glad to be here.

1:15

Interesting question right off the top. Do you

1:17

think the ducks, do you think they're like

1:19

up to something or something? I don't know

1:21

I've just never seen a duck at night

1:23

time. So yeah but there's a lot of

1:25

animals I haven't seen at night time. I

1:27

mean like I think any animal suspiciously hanging

1:29

out in a street corner at night time,

1:32

there's like you were walking home and there

1:34

was like six dogs obviously up to something.

1:36

Yeah that's pretty suspicious. Yeah the only thing

1:38

you got to worry about ducks because look

1:41

those little motherf***ers can walk swim

1:43

and fly. They've mastered all three

1:45

modes of transport. They're like the

1:48

military land sea air. They've got

1:50

all bases covered. The next thing

1:52

is mastering nuclear arms.

1:55

Yeah so it's just something to keep an eye on. I don't know

1:57

where they go at night. I think we should all be aware of

1:59

that. Is it North Korea? That's all

2:01

I'm saying. No sir. Well, Kit, I'd

2:04

like to welcome you and everyone

2:06

listening to this episode of This Paranormal

2:08

Life to what could possibly be one

2:11

of our most interesting and terrifying

2:13

investigations yet. More terrifying than the

2:16

haunted Toys R Us store? Way

2:18

more haunted. Double it. Triple it.

2:20

More haunted than the, or more

2:22

terrifying than the money pit? Is

2:24

there anything scarier than sinking money

2:27

into a bottomless hole? This story

2:29

will make you seek refuge in

2:31

the money pit. This is a

2:33

lot of talk, so I'm interested

2:35

to see where this goes. This

2:38

is a case that not only

2:40

exists in the world of the

2:42

paranormal, but possibly resides in the

2:44

subconscious of every human on Earth.

2:47

We're talking about ducks, my friend.

2:49

Where do they go? This

2:51

is the first time in this podcast history

2:53

we're actually going to answer a question from

2:55

the beginning. From the very start. Why is

2:58

no one asking this? Where the f*** do

3:00

they go? Today

3:02

we're not only going to be

3:04

talking about sleep paralysis, but also

3:07

shadow people and one entity who

3:09

stands out above all the rest.

3:12

Now I will say, I do know

3:14

that we have some listeners who have experienced

3:16

sleep paralysis before, and this

3:19

is no joke. This

3:21

is a comedy podcast and it will be

3:23

light-hearted. There'll be some, you know, jokes thrown

3:25

in there. Some ha-has. But there will be

3:27

some creepy storytelling. So if it's something that

3:29

could bother you, I would say either proceed

3:31

with caution or maybe skip this one out.

3:34

Holy! You're giving people the disclaimer? This

3:36

is the first time we've ever put

3:38

a disclaimer. Usually we tell them to

3:40

go f*** themselves. This time

3:43

we're having to protect our audience

3:45

for just how friggin' spooky

3:47

this might be. Holy damn. Look, there's

3:49

no time to deli deli. Let's just

3:51

get into the story. Sean

3:54

Green lived in Buford, South Carolina and

3:56

was no stranger to sleep paralysis, having

3:58

experienced it before. many times in

4:00

his life, but it wasn't the paralysis

4:02

that he struggled with. It was

4:04

what he saw as he lay there, unable

4:07

to move. One night,

4:09

Sean awoke in his bed, slowly opening

4:11

his eyes to see the dark room

4:13

around him. He tried to

4:15

move his body, but it wouldn't respond. Unable

4:18

to move, Sean flutters his eyes,

4:20

glancing around the room. It's

4:23

dark, but he feels like someone

4:25

is watching him. In the far corner of

4:27

the room, he can make out a figure,

4:30

small and black, crouched down.

4:33

Unable to speak or move, Sean watched

4:35

in fear as it slowly

4:38

begins to rise. Then,

4:41

without warning, the figure

4:43

shrieked and ran at him,

4:45

grabbing him by the neck. Sean

4:47

tried to scream, but nothing happens.

4:50

He went on to say, horror films

4:52

don't do anything for me anymore, because

4:55

what I've seen is even more terrifying.

4:57

The Babadook is a puppy dog to

4:59

me after what I have seen. Kit,

5:01

this is the world we're going to

5:03

be investigating today. Not only

5:05

sleep paralysis, but the world of the

5:07

shadow people. Wow, so that's what we're

5:09

talking about here. That's because I haven't,

5:12

I don't think we've talked at length about the

5:14

shadow people before. I've heard the name, but

5:17

that's what we're literally talking about.

5:19

Some kind of person that is

5:21

completely shrouded in black darkness and

5:23

mystery, but is obviously art

5:25

to mass people up in their

5:27

sleep. Now it's possibly

5:29

even the most terrifying thing about

5:32

this whole experience is that it

5:34

is one of hundreds of thousands.

5:37

In fact, even on the official

5:39

NHS website, some of the symptoms

5:41

of sleep paralysis listed are quote,

5:43

no, feeling like someone is in

5:46

your room and feeling like

5:48

something is pushing you down. Those

5:50

are two official listed side effects. Do you

5:52

know that someone wrote shadow people on the

5:54

list and they were like, we can't publish

5:56

that as the NHS? got

6:00

a cold and the symptoms

6:02

were like seeing demons

6:05

running along your bed at

6:08

night. That kind of blew me away

6:10

that something like that would be on

6:12

the official NHS website, but it is

6:14

there. Yeah, that means it's happened to

6:16

enough people that they have to let

6:18

people know. Have you ever experienced sleep

6:20

paralysis yourself? I don't believe that I

6:22

have, not at least to the extent

6:24

that I hear from many other people.

6:26

I've talked to colleagues even in work

6:29

who've experienced it many, many times, and

6:31

you hear the same thing over and over

6:33

and over. It sounds so difficult to believe,

6:35

but I think the worst that's happened to

6:38

me is the classic not

6:40

being able to move maybe, or everyone's

6:42

had that dream where they can't run

6:44

away or can't make a sound. Well,

6:46

you had a dream where a cat

6:48

stole your eyes. Sure, me. So that's

6:50

already, and he was a shadow, sure,

6:53

but he wasn't a person, so I don't count

6:55

that. What about you?

6:57

I've never experienced sleep paralysis. The

6:59

closest I've ever got to seeing

7:01

shadow people was, I think,

7:03

when we were doing a charity video game

7:05

marathon, and I stayed up for,

7:08

I believe, somewhere close to 43 hours without

7:10

sleep, and

7:14

towards the end of the stream,

7:16

in the edges of my

7:18

vision, I basically, I was

7:20

seeing human figures, every time

7:22

you glanced, they were gone. The

7:24

other weird side effect was other

7:27

people's voices were all auto-tuned. Everyone

7:29

sounded like T-Pain. It was really

7:31

strange, I'd just be playing games

7:33

sitting there, and my brother would just be

7:35

like, "'Rory, I'm going to the fridge. "'Would

7:37

you like a Coca-Cola?'" And

7:39

you're like, you've got to cut that out. Bro,

7:41

you're freaking me out. The shadow beings don't like

7:44

it. Wow. Yeah, I think

7:46

I mentioned on the podcast before, I've

7:48

definitely had that driving late one night,

7:50

very long distance, and I saw a

7:52

straight up lion, a

7:55

giant one, by the way. This is

7:57

borderline Simba's dad in the sky-sized lion.

7:59

But on the ground? Or was he

8:02

in the clouds? Yeah, he was

8:04

in the hedges. Okay. He's

8:06

like, give me your

8:08

eyes! Not

8:10

again! What's with these cats,

8:13

man? Now obviously we're talking about these shadowy

8:16

figures, these shadowy people, and there's two options

8:18

here. I'll be honest with you. One

8:20

is that these shadowy figures,

8:22

seen by hundreds of thousands of people,

8:24

are simply an illusion. It's

8:27

our eyes and our brain playing tricks on

8:29

us. Or of course, option

8:31

number two, that they are

8:33

something real and something very paranormal.

8:37

Today we're going to be pursuing option two. Now

8:40

while shadow people are most commonly

8:42

linked with sleep paralysis, people have

8:44

reported seeing them while fully awake

8:47

in their homes, in their neighborhoods,

8:49

as children, as adults. Some

8:51

people believe they're ghosts, others

8:54

interdimensional beings, but

8:56

even though they appear terrifying, and

8:59

sure, sometimes scream and strangle you a

9:01

little bit in your sleep, a lot

9:03

of them are actually pretty chill.

9:05

Are you sure? There's

9:07

stories of people having experiences

9:09

with shadow humans where they

9:11

just stand there, or

9:13

just kind of like watch you. But

9:15

I mean, is a nighttime

9:18

intruder ever chill? Right. Can

9:21

a burglar be chill? Can

9:23

a trespasser be chill? Someone

9:25

who stands at the end of your

9:28

bed and silently stares at you? Right,

9:30

because of the situation alone, they're already...

9:32

They've already broken every possible

9:34

faux pas, social faux pas they

9:36

could. It's like, what's the chillest

9:38

a warlord can be? He's already

9:41

pretty f***ing evil. Yeah, Genghis Khan

9:43

in a hammock still wasn't chill.

9:46

If Hitler went to the

9:48

Bahamas and was in like a f***ing

9:50

coconut bra and a hula skirt, he's still bad. He's

9:53

not chill. He's not zero

9:55

percent chill. You know he's harassing

9:57

someone at that tiki bar. I

10:00

think what people are trying to explain more

10:02

in this situation is it's the it's the

10:04

aura. It's a feeling, you know, a lot

10:06

of the times with the

10:09

bad guys, you have this kind of like

10:11

this horrible presence, this tension, this evil, this

10:13

foreboding sense. There's a lot of time you

10:15

just wake up and you're like, hey, what's

10:17

up, man? And I know what you're gonna

10:19

say. Rory, a lot of these cases

10:22

take place at night. They're a

10:24

byproduct of sleep paralysis. Who

10:27

hasn't at some point or another thought

10:29

they saw a human figure in their

10:31

bedroom. Even though people say they're seeing

10:33

the same thing, it could just be

10:35

an optical illusion or a nightmare. Whoever

10:37

that is making a lot of good

10:39

points. But to you then I say

10:41

kit. You because

10:43

the truth is you little bastard. Do

10:45

you know where the sentence is going?

10:47

Of course I know where it's going. The

10:49

truth is kit that that,

10:52

you know, that are that are we live in a

10:54

world. I feel like you started off. I

10:57

think you just want to say you and then you had

10:59

to finish the thought. I knew it was going, but you

11:01

asking me if I knew where it was going kind of

11:03

sidelined me a bit. So now I just need to get

11:05

back on track. Don't you have a bunch of notes? Can

11:08

you just check where you were going? Yeah, but I scrambled

11:10

them up at the start. I freaking tripped on this. When

11:14

you said you, I saw you, you

11:16

actually threw them out of the

11:18

room. But the truth is kit that

11:20

we're not here today to talk about

11:22

shadow people. We're here to

11:24

talk about one specific figure. We're

11:27

going to try and figure out how hundreds

11:29

of people all over the world

11:32

have been seeing the same man

11:34

watching them. Kevin

11:36

Derek wrote when I was about 13

11:38

years old, my parents had

11:40

to leave town for a while. I

11:43

assured them I could take care of myself.

11:45

And if anything happens, my grandma lives two

11:47

blocks down the street. They agreed and went

11:49

on their ways. So I'm getting home

11:51

from school one day and I decided to kick it

11:53

in my room and play some games for a while.

11:56

I'm playing online for a couple hours and I'm

11:58

really getting into it. Beaten

12:00

on all these noobs, racking up the

12:02

points. Then I hear something,

12:05

footsteps in the hallway outside my room. Not

12:08

just any footsteps, but loud

12:10

ones, like someone was walking

12:12

in heavy boots. Goosebumps

12:14

immediately spore my entire body. My

12:17

parents for sure weren't coming home for another few

12:19

days, and no one has a key to the

12:21

house. I made sure to lock all

12:23

the doors prior to this, because my mom made it

12:25

a habit for me to lock up every night and

12:27

morning. I hear the footsteps getting

12:29

louder and closer to my room. Mind you,

12:31

I had my door closed and locked at

12:33

the time. Thoughts began racing in

12:35

my head. Am I being robbed? Is this

12:38

a home intrusion? I grabbed my

12:40

baseball bat and headed to the door. Then

12:42

all of a sudden, the footsteps stopped

12:46

and began slowly heading the other way.

12:48

I crept open the door, and

12:50

there it f***ing was. Shivers

12:53

are running down my spine as I type this.

12:55

I've never seen anything like it. At

12:58

the end of the hallway, there was

13:00

a shadowy figure, maybe seven feet tall,

13:03

wearing a trench coat, boots, and a

13:05

hat. No details, just

13:07

an outline. A solid black shadow. It

13:09

stared at me for a few seconds.

13:11

At this point, I am paralyzed with

13:13

fear, because I know what I was

13:15

looking at wasn't a person. It didn't

13:17

say anything. It wasn't shocked or

13:19

surprised, it was just staring back at me. It

13:23

stood its ground and didn't vanish like you'd

13:25

think something paranormal would do. I

13:28

regained myself and jolted out of the window

13:30

of my room. It's a one-story

13:32

house, so he didn't like. He

13:35

jumped out the window of his bedroom.

13:38

I called my parents to see if they were just

13:40

messing with me, but they assured me they were hundreds

13:42

of miles away. It might have been

13:44

my mom, for all I know.

13:46

I told them what I saw, and of course

13:48

they didn't believe me. They said

13:51

I was having a nightmare or some stupid shit.

16:00

humans are usually seen for a

16:02

moment or two before disappearing, the

16:04

hat man often outstays his welcome.

16:08

Of course. And he was welcome for about 2.5

16:11

seconds. While shadow figures have

16:13

sometimes been described as harmless,

16:16

the hat man even without doing

16:18

anything has a very different vibe.

16:20

Okay. Evil, dark energy,

16:23

a sense of dread and hopelessness. Those

16:25

are just some of the words used

16:27

to describe his presence. Interesting. Would you

16:29

like to see an artist's illustration of

16:31

the tall hat man? I would love

16:33

to see that. There's not a lot

16:35

to see. I'm not gonna lie. There's

16:38

pretty much a black out full shadow.

16:40

Oh, interesting. So I feel like you

16:42

guys got the general description. We're

16:45

talking full shadow, man and trench coat. Of

16:47

course. The only variable was

16:49

the type of hat. Yeah. I

16:51

don't know why I was, I

16:53

guess because did you just call him

16:55

a tall hat man? Sorry. Yes. Tall

16:58

was more in relation to his height.

17:00

Exactly. Not the size of his enormous

17:02

hat. I was picturing top hat. Right.

17:05

But this is more of a, I don't

17:07

know what type of hat is. It's not

17:09

a million miles away from like a Panama

17:12

hat or something. Yeah. People have, have

17:14

used, you know, Victorian style hat

17:16

for Dora as well. Yeah. It's

17:18

a, it's definitely bigger than a

17:20

fedora, but that style, general style.

17:22

Yeah. Those are kind of his,

17:24

because they're not allowed to see

17:26

here folks. No. He looks like

17:28

he's a redacted human. He's completely

17:30

blacked out. It's, it's

17:32

a silhouette of a guy who

17:34

has a hat and is in

17:36

a trench coat allegedly. Sometimes people

17:38

describe him as having glowing red

17:40

eyes. And you mentioned what, seven

17:42

foot tall? Seven foot

17:44

tall. That, that again does vary.

17:46

Yeah. He's always definitely tall. He's

17:48

a tall dude. Yeah. That's interesting.

17:50

Which obviously adds to the sense

17:52

of foreboding. I could see why

17:54

like in our first story with

17:56

a small shadow being it's a

17:58

slightly less threatening than

18:00

a seven foot tall guy in a

18:03

trench coat. Yeah, it's kind of a

18:05

tough situation because if it was a

18:07

tiny little ghost or a tiny little

18:09

shadow person, sure, I do what I

18:11

always do. Dip my butterfly knife

18:13

in holy water and come at him in

18:15

the night. Come at him from behind. Yeah,

18:17

I'll ground pound him like Mario. And

18:20

he's already going to hit the trip

18:22

wire that sends the hook. Yes, holy

18:24

water, dip shuriken across the room. Of

18:26

course. But, you know, if he's a

18:28

seven foot guy and I know he can at least

18:30

afford a hat, he's he's at least

18:32

pretty well put together that I feel like if I come at

18:34

him, he's going to floor me, which

18:36

I can't, by the way, because I'm paralyzed in my

18:39

bed like a baby flooring.

18:41

Now, as I said, the story that

18:44

I just read you is one of

18:46

thousands collected from a website called The

18:48

Hat Man Project, a site

18:50

dedicated to logging paranormal experiences with

18:53

the Hat Man. Interesting.

18:56

Another story from that site comes from

18:58

Brittany Sirwan in 2013. The

19:01

first time I saw The Hat Man, I was 13 years old.

19:04

My best friend and I both saw him. He

19:07

was standing behind a pile of wood. He

19:10

was tall, dark, shadow. He

19:12

had no face. He had

19:14

a hat on and a trench coat. He

19:17

was just looking at us, not moving an inch.

19:19

I felt such anger emanating from him. My

19:22

best friend and I just stood there not

19:24

knowing what to do as this man

19:26

slowly turned and walked away from us. After

19:29

a few feet, he disappeared in

19:32

broad daylight as if he stepped into

19:34

another dimension. A year later,

19:36

while lying in my bed reading, I felt

19:38

the urge to look towards my closed bedroom

19:41

door. So I did standing

19:43

there was the same man from

19:45

before gazing at me. Fuck

19:47

that. It felt like he

19:49

was projecting emotions onto me.

19:52

Dread, sadness, all loss of

19:54

hope. He stood there

19:56

for what felt like forever. But

19:58

then finally he disappeared. Now

20:01

at the age of 22, I have seen

20:03

him two times in my apartment. Once

20:05

in my living room, and once in my

20:07

bedroom. It was the same as before, as

20:10

if he was just dropping by to remind

20:12

me that evil exists. Trying

20:14

to put fear in me, telling

20:16

me that bad things can and will

20:19

happen. I've seen many

20:21

ghosts in my life, ever since

20:23

I was a small child. I've met

20:25

the angry ones, the nice ones, the

20:27

ones that don't even know that they're dead. Wow.

20:31

Which we hadn't actually come across, I think

20:33

until last week. I didn't realize that was

20:35

a thing. Apparently some ghosts don't know they're

20:38

dead. Yeah, which... Look,

20:40

I'm not a ghost. Maybe I

20:42

am. F***. I don't know. That's the

20:45

problem. But I feel

20:47

like there's a couple telltale signs. Sure. If

20:50

you're eating food and it immediately falls out of

20:52

your ass, you're either a ghost or

20:54

you need to go see a doctor. But we don't

20:56

know what the catering situation is in the afterlife. There

20:58

may be ghost food and it may be incredibly realistic.

21:01

That's true. All right, we need to know if you

21:03

can walk through walls, you're probably

21:05

a ghost. You're not normal at the

21:07

very least. I guess that's true.

21:10

That's a pretty definitive one, I would say. Look

21:12

at your hands. Can you see through your hands,

21:14

sir? Half of our audience

21:16

are just realizing they're ghosts right now. I guess

21:18

now that I think about it, I haven't talked

21:20

to anyone in... 200 years. I've

21:24

only talked to you, which

21:28

means that we are probably both ghosts. Yeah,

21:30

that makes sense. That figures. Yeah,

21:32

our podcast isn't available on iTunes. People

21:35

only hear it because we are in

21:37

everyone's bedroom at night. She

21:40

goes on to say, and no, I'm

21:42

not crazy. I know this for sure

21:44

because of the time I saw the

21:46

dead family in my sister's house. That

21:48

doesn't explain anything, Brittany. Of

21:51

all the things I have seen and

21:53

experienced, of all the angry spirits I

21:55

have encountered, this man frightens me the

21:58

most. he

22:00

is just a ghost. He is

22:02

something far worse. He is perhaps

22:04

a demon. Now

22:07

there are stories of the hat man appearing at

22:09

night. During the day, as

22:11

a dark silhouette with glowing red

22:14

eyes, he's appeared alongside other shadow

22:16

people, as if they were his

22:18

henchmen. And in one story,

22:20

after a witness tried to get a closer look,

22:22

he took off at 25 miles per

22:24

hour on foot. Took

22:28

off like Sonic the Hedgehog rolled away in

22:30

a ball of lightning. I think it's kind

22:32

of crazy that a lot

22:35

of people have had paranormal experiences

22:37

where they see the shadow people

22:39

during sleep paralysis, but a

22:41

lot of the stories that I saw about the

22:43

hat man really weren't to

22:45

do with sleep paralysis. People were

22:47

seeing him like out in the

22:49

wild. People were seeing him in their living rooms

22:51

while they were watching TV. I

22:53

mean, that son of a bitch was just playing

22:55

games and he was walking down the hallway. It's

22:58

terrifying. Really freaks me out. Yeah, I

23:00

mean, the fact that that woman apparently

23:03

with her friend saw him outside

23:06

hiding behind a stack of wood,

23:09

it's like he's in places where

23:11

shadows don't necessarily live. Yeah.

23:14

Like I get it if it's always

23:16

in your house at night. If he's

23:18

outside once, like he's free. He is

23:20

not confined. Yeah. A lot of the

23:23

time we talk about ghosts and it's

23:25

the same old story. The ghost is

23:27

here because he was killed on this

23:29

rock 200 years ago. The

23:32

hat man has a paranormal

23:35

passport. This motherf***er fast travel

23:37

anywhere he wants. He has boots

23:40

and they're made for walking, folks.

23:42

This paranormal bastard will wander your

23:44

halls. He'll probably come up under

23:46

your covers at night. You

23:49

want to go cut some wood? He's

23:51

behind the wood. He can take the

23:53

tube. He can take the train, planes,

23:55

automobiles. He is the ducks of the

23:57

paranormal world. He can swim, fly and

23:59

run. It's terrifying. And he loves bread.

24:01

Did I mention that? He actually loves

24:03

f***ing bread. One of the cool things

24:06

to note is that people have had

24:08

experiences with the tall hat man and

24:10

shadow people all over

24:12

the world. It spans almost

24:14

all countries over generations. The

24:16

ancient Greeks called them shades.

24:19

In Korea it's referred to as

24:22

gawe nolim. And in

24:24

Vietnamese culture it's called bongdae,

24:26

meaning held down by a

24:28

shadow. It's

24:30

kind of crazy that this sort

24:32

of thing has been going on for

24:34

so long. I mean there's like ancient

24:37

medieval paintings of people who

24:39

are suffering with sleep paralysis with like

24:41

a little imp. Yeah I think

24:43

I've seen those images. Like sitting

24:45

on their chest, like weighing them down.

24:47

And I think for the people who

24:49

are listening who've experienced it, if you

24:52

see those images it seems to be

24:54

exactly what people today describe. So it's

24:56

obviously affected humans all throughout history. So

24:58

what we're talking about today is the

25:00

hat man itself. I mean do you

25:02

find it strange at all that, I

25:04

mean how is this happening? How is this figure

25:07

of a man transcending generations,

25:09

languages, all barriers to the point

25:11

where people in different parts of

25:13

the world without talking to each

25:16

other or being influenced by the

25:18

same media or imagery are all

25:20

seeing the same shadow

25:22

man? That's a fascinating question

25:25

and it's something that one of

25:27

our accounts, throw up the possibility

25:29

there that this

25:31

is, they suggested some type of demon. There

25:34

are of course a number of possibilities. Is this

25:36

a demon? Is it a

25:39

run of the mill ghost? Is

25:41

it as someone suggested some sort

25:43

of interdimensional traveller? This is maybe

25:45

some kind of literal being that

25:47

is not of our world but

25:49

has the ability to just like

25:52

ghosts can go through walls. They can just

25:54

walk through the fifth dimension from wherever they

25:56

came from. Maybe we just

25:58

don't have the biological apparatus. at us to

26:00

understand what they look like. So we just

26:02

see a shadow. Yeah. Granted, they still have

26:04

hats. Hats

26:07

are universal across every dimension. I think

26:09

it's funny because when we were talking

26:11

about shadow people, one of the big

26:13

arguments is like possibly that your body

26:16

is in a state that it can

26:18

only reach when you're basically like between

26:20

your unconscious dream self

26:23

and but fully awake and alert. And

26:25

that's why we see shadow people as

26:27

we're like existing between those realms. For

26:29

sure. But with the hat, man, he's

26:31

getting a big Mac down the street.

26:33

You're not asleep. He's there. He's just

26:35

chilling. He's getting a big Mac in

26:38

Vietnam and Florida

26:40

at the same time. Yeah, I

26:43

don't know if he's like, is it the

26:45

same guy or is he like Santa? He

26:47

has to hit like every house one time

26:49

a year. He's going down the chimney with

26:52

a bag of nightmares, putting

26:54

them under the heads of every little

26:56

child all across the world. The question

26:58

is reindeer. You ask a demon for

27:01

sure. The question you posed

27:03

about how is it possible that people of

27:05

all cultures all over the world have seen

27:07

the same thing? Eggnog,

27:09

you said. Forget

27:11

about it. I did not. He drinks

27:13

the tears of Santa even lost. Eggnog.

27:16

But he likes milk. I don't know. He's

27:18

pretty fat. Well, he eats something, drinks something

27:20

pretty fruity, eggy. That's

27:23

what eggnog is, right? Sorry, I feel like

27:25

I'm interrupting the story a little bit. I

27:28

just want to make sure we knew all

27:30

the comparisons between him and Santa Claus. I feel

27:32

like you still have a couple more in you.

27:34

So do you want to just get them out

27:36

of the way before we continue? Honestly, I think

27:38

I'm done. OK, that's great. So we've got the

27:40

reindeer presence. OK, we're good. Yeah,

27:43

sorry. The eggnog, of course. So

27:46

one of the possibilities. But instead of elves, sorry,

27:48

instead of little, I thought I

27:50

was, I forgot about the elves, obviously.

27:52

Instead of elves making toys, all

27:55

you see is the reflection

27:57

of everyone you've ever upset. Sorry,

28:00

instead of elves making

28:02

toys, do the elves

28:05

exist or you just see the reflection of

28:07

everyone you've ever upset? Their face is

28:10

like a black hole. So it sounds

28:12

like you're just spitballing at this point. I don't

28:14

know if this is like anyone's

28:16

opinion other than your own. This isn't

28:18

necessarily part of the research part of

28:21

the podcast. That's been very much concluded.

28:23

I'm kind of spitballing free flow of

28:25

ideas here, which is equally important. And

28:28

I don't always feel as though you've wrapped up the

28:30

whole idea of the Santa that is actually the shadow

28:32

man. Yeah, we've talked about all the different. Yeah,

28:35

yeah, we know. I think we're totally done on the basis.

28:38

So just further to this point. Sorry, one last thing,

28:40

though. Tinsula's barbed

28:42

wire. That's it. I'm done. Sorry. And

28:45

he comes and he wraps around you because you're the tree and

28:47

you've been cut down and you're alone in the darkness

28:49

and you get wrapped in barbed wire. Sorry, done. Tinsula's

28:52

barbed wire. That's it. And

28:54

the baubles. And

28:56

the baubles on top. Right. F***ing

28:59

bombs. What does that have to do with being

29:01

a shadow being? What is it? What are bombs?

29:04

Bombs exist in our dimension. You know, are

29:06

you done? I'm done, I'm done, I'm done.

29:08

That's it. He's he's an evil Santa, basically.

29:11

The fact that people from all over the world

29:13

have seen the same thing as

29:15

you very carefully illuminated, the fact that they've

29:17

come from all different cultures points

29:20

to maybe one possibility that, you know,

29:22

Carl Jung talked about the collective unconscious.

29:24

This is the idea that all humans

29:26

through our history, we've all evolved from

29:28

the same something like 3000 ancient

29:32

humans who lived in continental

29:34

Africa. And that through the

29:37

millennium of evolving as

29:39

humans living off the earth in

29:41

our subconscious today, we are all

29:43

united by the same concepts. We

29:46

all have. It's like the tarot

29:48

cards that we've shown

29:50

on the podcast before. Yeah. All

29:52

humans, regardless of race

29:54

and creed, have a concept of

29:57

victory, loss, pride.

30:00

judgments, kings, queens,

30:02

emperors, spiritual leaders.

30:05

Right, right. This is the

30:07

firmware of the human supercomputer

30:10

and that everything to do with our daily

30:12

lives and culture and what we watch on

30:15

Netflix, sure, that's all the fancy new software,

30:17

but at the very base of our brain

30:20

is, let's face it, information about

30:22

the tall shadow man. Yeah. I

30:25

mean, this would be a kind of

30:27

boring scientific explanation, but for some reason

30:29

this is tapping into some kind of

30:31

ancient memory that all humans have pre-installed

30:33

in their brain when they're born. I

30:35

guess the only weird thing about it

30:37

is that, why does the prehistoric memory

30:39

have a hat? That's

30:42

kind of the question that, you

30:44

know, if it is something that's

30:46

just like engraved in human beings

30:48

pretty much since they existed from

30:50

the dawn of time, why does

30:52

it have a hat? A

30:57

lot can happen in three years, like

30:59

a chatbot may be your new best

31:01

friend. But what won't change? Needing health

31:03

insurance? UnitedHealthcare Tri-Term Medical Plans, underwritten by

31:05

Golden Rule Insurance Company, offer flexible, budget-friendly

31:07

coverage that lasts nearly three years in

31:09

some states. Learn more at uh1.com. Hey,

31:12

I'm Ryan Reynolds. At Mint Mobile, we like

31:14

to do the opposite of what big wireless

31:16

does. They charge you a lot, we charge

31:18

you a little. So naturally, when they announced

31:20

they'd be raising their prices due to inflation,

31:22

we decided to deflate our prices due to

31:24

not hating you. That's right, we're cutting the

31:26

price of Mint Unlimited from $30 a month

31:29

to just $15 a month. Give

31:32

it a try at mintmobile.com/switch.

31:35

$45 up front for three months plus taxes and fees. Promote it for

31:38

new customers for a limited time. Unlimited more than 40 gigabytes per month,

31:40

slows. Full terms at mintmobile.com. So

31:45

I have a personal story to illustrate some of

31:47

this point. And this is a mystery

31:50

that I have not yet answered.

31:52

Is this a personal paranormal story that we

31:54

haven't heard on the podcast yet? It is.

31:57

Wow, all right. Hey, let's do this. This is very exciting.

32:00

As someone who has

32:02

taken many psychedelic drugs.

32:05

Absolutely. I had one experience where

32:08

I took ayahuasca, people who

32:10

might've talked to one of the podcasts before,

32:12

this is a extremely

32:14

ancient, South American

32:17

shamanistic psychedelic, which

32:19

they take in healing ceremonies

32:21

that sometimes last days. And

32:25

basically you imbibe this jungle juice

32:28

and in a kind of

32:30

very reverential fashion. Not

32:33

to be confused with special juice,

32:35

which of course makes baby shit.

32:37

Right, which makes baby shit. This

32:39

is jungle juice. Which

32:41

actually, now that I say it out loud,

32:43

it does make you vomit and shit everywhere.

32:47

But it most famously

32:50

causes incredible psychedelic visions. And

32:53

people take this to kind of learn about themselves,

32:55

about the world around them, and

32:57

hopefully communicate with mother nature on

32:59

some level. I did

33:02

this. I saw through the layers of

33:04

the matrix. I took the red pill.

33:06

I journeyed from this dimension to the

33:08

11th and back again. But on my

33:10

travels, I was upset

33:13

and disturbed at one point because I

33:15

was visited by a joker, a jester.

33:20

This little guy was

33:22

like practically in his little, the

33:25

hat with the bells. He had

33:27

the hat with the bells. He had the

33:29

big clown makeup. He had the whole jester

33:31

outfit. And he was delighted to see me.

33:33

I was not delighted to see him. And

33:37

he's boinging back and forth his

33:39

head, boinging towards me, like out

33:41

of a cartoon. That's a

33:43

real, yeah, that's a real fine line. Clowns

33:46

and jesters, you know, they're

33:48

always dancing on that precipice of being

33:50

very funny and nightmare

33:53

fuel. And that, it was

33:55

really more the latter. So

33:57

I experienced that for- He had a gun

33:59

and he was pretty. forceful that we're gonna

34:01

go wallet it was the shaman

34:03

in the ceremony can't get

34:06

my stuff you drank tap

34:08

water and he arrested you

34:10

I drank a glass of tap water he beat

34:12

me over the head with a boot I

34:15

took my car keys that

34:18

little psychedelic trickster you drink half

34:21

a cup of Red Bull and

34:23

you're like I see

34:25

God vomiting

34:28

everywhere oh shit

34:31

myself like that was

34:33

just water to give you before

34:35

the drunk at some point

34:37

the jester left and I was able

34:39

to enjoy the rest of my experience

34:42

and have some pretty interesting revelations I

34:44

didn't think too much about the jester

34:46

that I saw I thought

34:48

that's a little weird but I guess I've

34:50

you know I grew up in the

34:53

year of the 90s and the 2000s I've seen many

34:55

many children's cartoons movies the

34:57

jester is just a popular image I guess

35:00

it's got that punch and Judy vibe it

35:02

could bury itself into your subconscious and

35:05

then I think I was listening

35:07

to the Joe Rogan experience one

35:09

time and he basically word-for-word describes

35:12

my experience he jester he

35:14

describes smoking DMT which is

35:16

actually the active compound within

35:18

ayahuasca and seeing

35:20

the jester and it creeping him on the jester

35:22

bouncing back and forth and laughing at him I

35:25

was like okay this is too

35:28

weird that he had almost the

35:30

exact same description of what

35:32

happened I'm just gonna Google for you

35:34

to reenact what I did straight after

35:36

listening to the jereogan experience I googled

35:39

like psychedelic jester just to see if

35:41

there was anything else I

35:43

found a reddit thread I think it

35:45

might have been exactly this reddit thread

35:47

with the following image oh

35:49

my god and the oh that's so

35:51

scary the name of the thread is

35:53

does this ring any bells this is

35:56

a fairly decent representation of the jester

35:58

I met and that was posted a

36:00

couple of years ago and I am

36:02

freaking out at this point that

36:05

apparently not only have I and

36:07

a famous podcaster seen

36:09

this but it seems countless other

36:11

people who have also experienced

36:14

these psychedelics. As you can see

36:16

Roy there is like a plethora

36:18

of depictions of these

36:20

psychedelic gestures. Oh my god. I

36:24

almost encourage people to like google it to

36:26

to kind of see what we're what we're

36:28

getting at here. Anyway this is all to

36:30

say that this this is obviously one of

36:32

two things either like I said

36:35

the concept of this gesture even though

36:37

he's got a hat is

36:39

buried deep deep in the

36:41

human subconscious. Yeah. Or this

36:43

little bastard is an interdimensional

36:45

traveler. Either way either option

36:47

is pretty paranormal. I mean

36:49

either it's a creature or

36:51

an image that basically resides

36:53

in every single human that can

36:56

be triggered or he

36:58

is a little time traveling in our

37:00

dimensional gesture. Because it is it is

37:03

one of the more like paranormal explanations

37:05

for what goes on when people take

37:07

ayahuasca when people take dmt is that

37:09

they are not just you know putting

37:11

a spoon in their

37:14

brain and swirling it around and seeing

37:16

what happens seeing what colors they can

37:18

see but rather that you are scrubbing

37:21

clean your third eye and being able

37:23

to view another dimension. Would

37:25

you ever try it again or is it one

37:27

of those like one and done sort

37:29

of experiences? You know I don't

37:31

want to encourage anyone to to

37:34

do it but

37:36

I think I probably

37:38

would. People have said it best when

37:40

it's it's like it's the only drug

37:43

in the world that makes the

37:45

more you do it the less you

37:47

want to do it. Right right. It's

37:50

like I think I did that around

37:52

probably three years ago and then I

37:54

stopped drinking for three years straight. I

37:57

was scared sober. I remember. I remember.

37:59

I remember talking to you after

38:01

you did it and I was like, I was like, well, was

38:04

it, cause I have such a limited knowledge of it. I was

38:06

like, was it good? I remember you

38:08

saying, well, I'm not afraid to die anymore. And

38:11

I was like, that's good. I guess. My eyes

38:13

are completely black. I

38:15

don't know. I think I'd like to try it. It's

38:18

illegal, right? Is it illegal? Very. Oh,

38:20

everywhere? No, I think. You

38:22

can't go somewhere. And to be fair, you

38:25

can, yeah, which of course is what I

38:27

did ladies and gentlemen, it's legal in certain

38:29

countries. I think like you can probably do it

38:31

in like, you know, South America,

38:33

Netherlands, different places. Hey, I

38:36

say we just blast off, start

38:38

the zoom, record

38:40

a podcast, just telling everyone what we

38:43

see. Just us screaming for 90 minutes.

38:47

So I don't know what this all says in relation

38:50

to the shadow people, but I guess

38:52

what I'm saying is I have experience of

38:54

this shared collective vision of

38:56

an unknown entity. That's

38:59

pretty good. That's, you know, that's exactly the

39:01

paranormal evidence that we were looking for. Another

39:03

case possibly where, you know, a creature or

39:05

some imagery is burned into humans across the

39:08

world. You know, I've had my

39:10

own experiences equally cool. I

39:12

smoked a ton of weed once and ate

39:14

a whole bag of Cheetos family size by

39:16

myself. So, you

39:18

know, not quite, not quite the same level

39:20

of like extreme, but like I definitely. But

39:22

you know, I guess you'd

39:25

went into yourself and you realized how

39:27

many Cheetos you could eat. Yeah, yeah.

39:29

Kind of a similar level of like

39:31

realization. There was probably like some like

39:33

medieval knight there or something as well.

39:36

Cheer me on. He's like,

39:38

wow, these are better than medieval food.

39:42

He's also high. Better

39:46

than eating live rabbits and drinking

39:49

piss. All

39:51

right, look, I had some great stories

39:53

there. Some from our listeners, it was

39:55

emailed in. Some from the internet and even

39:57

one from our very own professional paranormal

39:59

investor. I think it's time to come

40:01

down here on some sort of conclusion

40:04

into let's let's look specifically at

40:06

the tall hat man Sure. I

40:08

think this is gonna be an

40:10

interesting conclusion because look

40:14

At one point at what point is it not

40:16

real? If

40:21

it's something This is you a

40:23

15 talking to your parents They've

40:26

had to come home early from their trip and

40:28

unlock the house You're

40:32

locked out you broke both your ankles

40:34

jumping out the window I'm trying to

40:36

explain to them that Edward the fifth

40:39

the night that's been smoking weed with

40:41

me At what

40:43

point is he not real? Because I've seen

40:45

him jousting in the living room and it's

40:47

pretty real to me get mad at me

40:49

because he brought the weed This

40:52

is medieval weed. He didn't give me a

40:54

choice At

40:56

what point is it not real if

40:59

it is something that has been seen by

41:01

people all across the world Be

41:03

it in their subconscious Not

41:06

in the physical world. How can you

41:08

argue? That it's

41:10

not in some form real

41:12

if that makes any sense.

41:14

Yeah. Yeah definitely,

41:17

this gets to like a deeper

41:19

more confusing point of Of

41:22

what is real and not real? I mean we like

41:24

to come down in a yes or no But what

41:27

are we saying if we say is love

41:29

real? We

41:33

say a ghost is real like

41:35

we're not saying that you can like measure

41:37

him with a Thermometer

41:39

or some shit or capture him with

41:41

the camera necessarily. Yeah But

41:44

if you can if five people in

41:46

a room all see it and all

41:48

swear they saw it That's

41:51

pretty damn real. You have to start looking at

41:53

the problem as as a physical

41:55

person He does not exist, but whatever this

41:57

is as an image as an entity even

42:01

a subconscious illusion. It is to

42:03

a certain point real.

42:05

Yeah like I don't want us to

42:07

get too squirrely but I think what

42:09

you're trying to say is imagine we

42:11

came down today and say this isn't

42:13

real. Someone is gonna go to bed

42:15

tonight somewhere in the world and see

42:17

this bastard. Yeah so

42:19

it's real. I think it might be

42:22

real. Holy moly. Look I

42:24

know that uh I know that last

42:26

week was the first time possibly that

42:28

we had a ghost double yes on

42:30

the podcast but it's looking like this

42:32

week. I don't even know what this is. A

42:35

figure, a specter but I think for

42:37

me this week it's gonna be a

42:39

yes. Tall Hat Man's real.

42:41

I don't know what he is if he's some

42:44

kind of interdimensional being but I think

42:46

it's a yes. Double yes

42:48

another one. Rackin' them up.

42:51

Set off the alarm. Smash it. Oh

42:54

my hand. I cannot

42:56

believe it folks. Not only do

42:58

we have two double yeses

43:00

in a row but also

43:03

neither of them were alien stories. Which

43:05

is that is truly unprecedented. Which is

43:08

remarkable. Are we going soft in the

43:10

head from quarantine and locked on? Maybe.

43:12

Quite possibly. Very possibly. We also might be saying yes

43:15

to a lot of these things because we don't want

43:17

to piss them off. Just

43:19

tell them they're real and maybe they won't

43:21

bother you. Hopefully nobody has any problems sleeping

43:24

after this episode. Even

43:26

though we basically said a demon is real and he comes

43:28

to you in the night. I luckily I'm one

43:31

of those people that I don't I can pretty much fall

43:33

asleep within 10 seconds.

43:35

Yeah every night. Head on pillow gone

43:38

like a light. But I mean that

43:40

doesn't like it's like a super power.

43:42

The demon from visiting you surely. That's

43:44

true. That is true. In fact if

43:46

anything that gives him a bigger window.

43:48

Yeah. To get like

43:50

you're reliable. You're a lot like he

43:53

knows you're gonna be asleep. He's not like

43:55

waiting outside checking his watch being like son

43:57

of a bitch still watching the office. It's

43:59

3 a.m. What the f*** go to sleep?

44:01

Whereas I am out 8 30. Thank

44:06

you everyone for tuning in and listening to

44:08

this week's episode of this paranormal life. Hope

44:10

you had a good time. Hope it wasn't

44:12

too spooky for you. If you want to

44:15

get involved in the this paranormal life commune

44:17

slash community, you can

44:19

check us out. We are on

44:21

YouTube. We are on Twitter. We're

44:24

on Facebook. And we

44:26

are of course on Patreon where the show gets

44:28

funded by you, the community. You can check all

44:30

that stuff out. We've made it so easy for

44:32

you. In fact, now they're all clickable links in

44:34

the show description. So on your phone right now,

44:36

I don't know what you'd probably like taking a

44:39

dump or on the bus or something or taking

44:41

a dump on the bus. I'm not sure what

44:43

you're doing, but just load up your phone and

44:45

look, it's all right there. It's all right there.

44:47

You can just click any of those little buttons

44:49

and it'll take you right to where you need

44:51

to go. You can get

44:53

some sweet rewards over there like bonus

44:55

episodes where we talk about the

44:58

shit that is too hot, too

45:00

classified, too frankly, criminal and offensive

45:02

to talk about in this open

45:04

RSS feed. So we got to

45:06

lock it down with some cash.

45:09

All right. And on our highest tier,

45:11

1000 pounds

45:13

a month, Kit and I will

45:16

visit you in the night dressed

45:18

as the tall hat man. You

45:21

do have to provide the hat that is an

45:23

additional tier and the

45:25

outfits granted and the all

45:27

expenses paid the trip travel and

45:29

everything. Yeah. Also, make

45:32

it easy for us, you know, like leave a key under

45:34

a rock or some shit, because the last house we went

45:36

to, there was a bit

45:38

of a miscommunication. He said he could

45:40

only do Wednesdays. We were busy Wednesdays.

45:42

We just went anyway smashed in the

45:44

door, just unhinged it from the other

45:46

side. His whole family were

45:49

there for Thanksgiving at the time. We

45:51

come in ass naked because we were

45:53

under the impression he would provide the

45:55

clothes and you are not very welcome,

45:58

but naked. at a family's

46:01

Thanksgiving because he didn't- he had the

46:03

gall to not tell his family about

46:05

the- the- the- the shadow people arrangement

46:07

Yeah, so his dad's just sitting there

46:09

top of the table cutting the turkey

46:11

and I'm there in the doorway and

46:13

he has the gall to not offer

46:16

us a slice Unbelievable! So thank you

46:18

so much to everyone who has supported

46:20

us on patreon.com Once

46:22

again, the links to everything that you need

46:24

to find are in the podcast description So

46:26

check some of that out and as always

46:28

we will see you again next Tuesday for

46:30

a brand new paranormal tale They're

46:36

calling! Oh my god!

46:39

Oh my god! A f***ing dog? Just

46:42

learned to call? Shit!

46:44

Hello? You

46:47

gotta stop asking questions, boy!

46:49

What?! Hi,

46:53

I'm Daniel, founder of PrettyLitter Did you

46:55

know cats tend to hide symptoms of

46:57

sickness and pain? I learned this the

47:00

hard way after losing my cat, Jinji

47:02

So I created PrettyLitter, a health monitoring

47:04

litter that helps detect early signs of

47:06

illness by changing colors saving you money

47:08

and potentially your cat's life PrettyLitter is

47:10

a veterinarian developed and it's the easiest

47:12

way to keep tabs on your fur

47:14

baby's health right at home Go to

47:16

prettylitter.com and use code ACAST for

47:18

20% off your first order and

47:20

a free cat toy Terms and conditions apply. See

47:22

site for details