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trash. It's

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time for Twit This Week in Tech, the show where

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we get together some of the best people in the

1:09

world to talk about, wow,

1:11

the wild world of technology these days. And

1:13

we have a good panel. I

1:16

always like having Alex Kantruitz on. Last time you

1:18

were here was for Google's I.O. Talk.

1:20

We've done some amazing things since. He

1:23

hosts the big technology podcast and newsletter. Hello,

1:25

Alex. Hey, Leo. Great to see you

1:27

again. Author of Always Day

1:30

One, which is, as one might

1:32

imagine, the Amazon story. It's

1:34

great to see you, Alex. Thanks for coming in. And

1:37

speaking of coming in, he's actually in studio, came

1:39

all the way up from Tucson,

1:41

Arizona, Nicolas de Leon. Yes,

1:44

hello. So nice to see you. Thank you, Leo. Senior

1:46

electronics reporter for Consumer Reports. It's

1:50

nice to see you and your partner in

1:52

the studio today. That's wonderful. Thank

1:54

you for coming up. Thank you. And for the

1:56

first time ever, which is crazy because Emily's been

1:59

on the network forever. Emily Drybelvis is

2:01

here. She is at PC magazine.com

2:03

and regularly appears on Tech

2:05

News Weekly. Hi Emily, nice to meet you. Hello, yeah,

2:08

nice to meet you. I can't believe, well

2:11

it's about time, that's all I can say.

2:13

Thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. Very excited

2:16

about it. We have,

2:18

there's no, there's no, there's

2:20

no theme to the stories today.

2:23

They're all over the place. They're

2:25

crazy. From ultrasonic

2:28

coffee to spot, well

2:30

I've mentioned Spotify because I think this is,

2:32

this was a big story earlier this week

2:35

that Spotify said we're gonna kill the car

2:37

thing, which is a device you

2:39

add to your radio that lets you stream Spotify,

2:41

even though we only started selling it a year

2:43

and a half ago. And oh by

2:45

the way, no refunds. Well

2:47

there was such a uproar over this

2:49

that they are now saying okay, if

2:52

you've got a receipt or

2:55

even an emailed invoice, we'll get you your money

2:57

back. Lately

3:00

some good stories that consumers have

3:02

been able to stand up to big tech and

3:04

get them to change their policy. Yeah, this one

3:06

bothered me. I mean we didn't, we didn't cover

3:08

it. What happened so fast you didn't

3:10

have a chance. I mean yeah, I mean I was doing

3:13

other stuff last week, but this is, I mean Spotify has

3:15

all the money in the world and they were not going

3:17

to refund the customers who bought the car thing, which from

3:19

what I saw I never owned one, but it got good

3:21

reviews, people liked it, but

3:23

they said hey we're basically breaking this

3:25

device, sorry, sorry about that

3:27

is what they said. And then people were mad as

3:30

they should have been. It's like hey I bought this

3:32

thing like yesterday basically and you're

3:35

just... Yeah they were still selling it right up to

3:37

the end. Yeah. 90 bucks. Imagine

3:39

if you bought it last month and then suddenly told

3:42

it's gonna stop working in December and

3:44

you don't get your money back. And I saw folks

3:46

saying okay, just open source it, like why do we

3:48

have, just making it e-waste overnight is like this is

3:51

what's going on here. So I'm glad to see the

3:53

reverse course here. Yeah. Can I just

3:55

ask why it ever... Like

3:58

Why does it exist? What Does it do? The

4:00

phone you are obviously

4:02

a millennium. Panda

4:05

A Don't remember the days

4:07

when cars came with radios.

4:10

And. That's all I do. ssssss.

4:12

This allows you to take

4:14

one of these funky old

4:16

cars. And turn into

4:19

a modern streaming car. That's.

4:21

Why you need? wouldn't? What about like an ox

4:24

court? Will. This was basically and outscored.

4:26

I guess I sent us even have that

4:28

plugged anymore is that while there you go

4:30

right you don't ever occurs. Jack to plug

4:32

him. Iraq's scored at the was An alternative

4:34

is your car didn't have a car player

4:36

and read auto and so kind of one

4:39

of the bigger screen for like album art

4:41

or whatever. You can hook your phone up

4:43

to that and leave your phone for google

4:45

maps and I maps or whatever whatever the

4:47

case may be so he could see. It

4:49

is kind of a hodgepodge so here's a

4:51

picture from and gadget of a process and

4:53

I phone plugged into. A a lightning

4:56

to headphone jack adapter plus to Animal

4:58

Wives and then The Spot if I

5:00

think plugged into the Ox check. Yet

5:04

this. This. Is a Cluj but

5:06

people want to do. I guess For

5:08

his inability of it though, that's why

5:10

it failed right? Always injustices. They didn't

5:12

sell it, they built this A built

5:14

this at the height of the stock

5:16

market stupidity, in the middle of zero

5:18

industry policy where you could get funding

5:20

for things that just kind of like

5:22

seem like as zany idea and it

5:24

was worth buildings. Really busy. came out

5:26

in April Twenty Twenty one which was

5:28

like just a few months before the

5:30

height of the market before the big

5:32

correction. I mean obviously we're back up.

5:34

right? Now. But. It would never

5:36

be greenlit in this era. It was built

5:39

for a different era I mean many decades

5:41

back where now like to standard car. Is

5:43

gonna come equipped with bluetooth connectivity. Everybody

5:45

knows how to work and now oftentimes

5:48

you have car play like whether it's

5:50

Apple or Android. And ah, the

5:52

whole thing seems ill advised. I just don't.

5:54

I look at this entire thing. It seems

5:56

like a product of a financial era. Not

5:58

was and just would never. Or ever

6:00

happened in today's market. You

6:02

actually have fully vindicated him asking

6:05

why it exists A sudden appearance

6:07

on the clan two hundred and.

6:11

Yeah, I'd give you the mean

6:13

answered: i opposed efforts. Are you

6:15

back the So jealous or agents

6:18

Kick me? Ah, actually this leads

6:20

us into a you're really interesting

6:22

a. Piece. In

6:24

Big Technology Alex V. C. says

6:27

chaos is coming for startups, ads

6:29

and online business. As sensitive big

6:31

guy eats web But even than

6:33

that is really I think this

6:36

whole era of everything is free

6:38

on the web is is. Doubled.

6:41

In make financial sense. So.

6:43

The whole absolutely the whole thing's fallen apart.

6:47

Exactly. And so so the backstory.

6:49

Hear that your Marchese who's as easy

6:51

as you inventors who added ad tech

6:53

company called Truex that he sold for

6:55

twenty to Twenty First Century Fox and

6:57

he ran advance advertising in advertising revenue

6:59

at Fox Networks for years. He came

7:01

on Big Technology podcast without Ben Smith

7:03

name a Raza for discussion about whether

7:05

gender to the i is Gonna Kill

7:07

publishers better news poachers can survive this

7:09

Gen Vi era and I think it

7:11

was an appropriate conversation for the time.

7:13

but afterwards he texted mean he goes

7:15

by the way to Us. Is coming

7:17

for everybody else as well. And.

7:20

And Michael what do you mean by

7:22

that We got on the phone and

7:24

I wrote it out. But and big

7:26

technology and his big thing is that

7:28

the web is basically an infrastructure to

7:30

the web. today is an infrastructure builds

7:32

on paying for optimizing for referred traffic

7:34

and suffered traffic. That goes to cite

7:36

booking as travel booking engines like Kayaks

7:38

House website like Madam De and I

7:40

Even startups need that referred traffic to

7:42

build user base is in the beginning

7:44

and the big conversation around owner of

7:46

a i recently has been so focused

7:49

on news publishers can. News publishers survived

7:51

as we've almost sort of lost the

7:53

plot on everything else that's gonna be

7:55

thrown into chaos. And like most of

7:57

the things when it comes to digital

7:59

business, the News. Was here's really are the

8:01

canary in the coal mine and if we

8:03

do have the web and just even ten

8:05

or twenty and as or if we have

8:07

generative ai and just only ten or twenty

8:09

percent of the web, that can be chaos

8:11

Again, for a large part of the ecosystem,

8:13

every business has been built. On

8:15

the Web is going to rethink the way

8:17

that it operates. You. Don't have we

8:20

were suffering as a podcast to from at the

8:22

same thing as I don't think it's just a

8:24

I think it's it's. It's

8:27

a little. Minimizing

8:29

it's say it's a i think it's

8:32

much more than just a ice you

8:34

point out and exactly the problem. which

8:36

is that the web was built built

8:39

on this notion of referrals. ah of

8:41

attention being able to sell the eyeballs

8:43

and it doesn't hold up in them

8:46

in the modern age as much as

8:48

journalism. all of it's We got used

8:50

to free stuff, but it isn't free.

8:53

never was free and there's gotta be

8:55

a way to monetize Facebook and Instagram

8:57

and a Google and. The and the

9:00

way is by selling your information. And

9:03

people don't. I'm sammy. Cory

9:05

Doctorow says that as ad blocking

9:07

is the greatest consumer boycott in

9:09

history, and Pew recently said fifty

9:11

two percent of Americans run ad

9:14

blocking technologies. Ah, that's why Google,

9:16

by the way, this week is

9:18

gonna. Break your

9:20

ad blocker with Manifest V Three

9:22

ah Google which is an ad

9:24

business and him for opposing as

9:26

a search engine. Doesn't

9:28

like the sect people running. so many

9:30

people running ad blockers. the whole thing

9:33

is collapsing around our heads and I

9:35

wonder if problem is going to survive.

9:37

How. Many people her switch to Firefox

9:40

because. I can't use my

9:42

a blocker on Chrome anymore. This is going to happen

9:44

next week. I've

9:46

already switched to Firefox because I

9:48

think Chrome has actually gotten worse

9:50

as a browser, and Firefox is

9:52

cleaner and faster. And you're

9:54

right, people have definitely been using ad

9:56

blockers. ah but I think publishers of

9:58

really mounted in affected. The Fence. So

10:00

if you're going to regularly visit a Silence

10:03

A You Tube or Nbc news.com they do

10:05

abs as interstitial that will come up and

10:07

ask you to turn off your our backers

10:09

make you turn off your and longer your

10:12

to continue consuming the content so I think

10:14

people the publishers are gonna be less hurt.

10:17

By this stuff than we initially thought

10:19

at the outset. Ah, but.

10:22

Yeah. Maybe it does give consumers one more

10:24

reason to move away from Chrome Marquez. You

10:26

have ads of course slowdown web sites and

10:28

just will become even lower compared to the

10:30

others. are just as riots. Hey ask sure,

10:33

go ahead and. Yeah. Just

10:35

and thinking about. Censorship is he really? it's a

10:37

we need a new business model basically for

10:39

the web and like what could that be

10:41

on? I. Do think that selling data

10:43

and as are two things people don't

10:45

really like. So. There is probably room to

10:48

come up. With something new and the

10:50

only thing I've thought of at least

10:52

for the news cases if this was

10:54

possible s when as a I can.

10:57

It scrapes. it's database, scapes content.

10:59

If it pulls information from a

11:01

certain website, it could just like

11:03

pay that website upon crawling their

11:05

page like drop a coin. And.

11:08

Then they get paid. That's that's the new

11:10

referral is like when the ai scrapes and

11:12

pulls from them. I feel like that's fair

11:15

that they said if. They're quoting information from

11:17

some other website that's not theirs. I think they

11:19

should pay for it, and right now there's no

11:21

way to do that. By.

11:23

Clip Amos said we've been talking

11:25

about payments for as long as

11:27

a referral. Insolvency Rights as I

11:29

do, it is illegal. Upstream knew

11:31

this was a rave, was supposed

11:33

to do right? Was there bat

11:35

crypto currency that you are supposed

11:37

to. Pay. A

11:39

certain percentage out to the sites that you've

11:42

visited. In. Order not to see the ads.

11:44

They could block the ads. I don't think that's

11:46

really. Really? Taken off he

11:48

said the to be things people don't like

11:50

her. Ads and

11:52

them. Being. Spied on. But

11:54

the thing the he he moore's matters. pain. So.

11:57

Early stuff on a painful. The

12:00

other people. Paying that would be like open

12:02

your eyes so before the answer has. Such

12:04

a t open Ai is responsible for

12:06

paying the source that contributed to that

12:08

answer through a small payment during the

12:11

process is generating the answer. Have

12:13

you seen would perplexity eyes proposing.

12:16

The they've just announced they're going to have

12:18

a. To. Call pages.

12:21

They. Say it's for researchers

12:23

Perplexity Pages that hours or

12:25

teachers will let you generate

12:28

your own web page composed

12:30

of consent from everybody else.

12:33

right? The kind of

12:35

this kind of what the arts as searched

12:37

as already has. Yeah this button com browse

12:39

for me the builds a page and doesn't

12:41

ever send you to the original source page.

12:45

For. Plan on how posts on this one? Yeah down.

12:48

So. I spoke with our

12:50

of and thirty vast the Ceo

12:52

of perplexity and he's a multiple

12:54

podcast including my own. Talked about

12:56

how see has had conversations with

12:58

Jimmy Wales from Wikipedia. And.

13:01

Wells was you know obviously very interested

13:03

in Gen Vi technology because a lot

13:05

of the things that you would do

13:07

with Agenda they I search engine. You

13:09

would use Wikipedia for trying to find

13:11

information about topics. Are just.

13:15

Sitting I think Wales just wanted to

13:17

build some sort of Gen Vi to

13:19

on top of Wikipedia and from my

13:21

understanding it hasn't gone anywhere. But what's

13:23

really Vos I think is trying to

13:25

do with this pages things is trying

13:27

to build a more personalized Wikipedia that

13:29

can go into any topic that you

13:31

want to effectively instead of having to

13:33

go to a website and hoping man

13:35

page built for the topic you're interested

13:37

in researching would he want to do

13:39

is build a new Jenny Iverson. But.

13:42

The Pdf second yes generates.

13:44

Pages. For different topics their com and

13:46

an interesting the people but also custom

13:48

built pages for something that you might

13:50

be specifically interested in. A can't find

13:53

that synthesis of information on the webs.

13:55

As you point out, Wales has nothing

13:57

lose. He doesn't take advertising on Wikipedia

13:59

and is. Already being completely abused

14:01

by Google Googles knowledge graph is

14:03

Wikipedia and and a hit on

14:05

pins and wait. Tbd is losing

14:08

and both ways so every anything

14:10

that's different would probably be some.

14:12

Jimmy Wales A be. Interested.

14:15

In but a the New York Times and

14:17

be very nervous. About. This

14:19

right near times already suing open a I.

14:22

Because. They I use near times can't

14:24

or used to I imagine if stop

14:26

I used and said the content for

14:28

generally have a I but open a

14:30

I 's paying pay as pay does

14:32

the money to read it. Ah,

14:34

They're paying Isis Com a news corp

14:36

that's right of to zip. They need

14:38

the content. But

14:42

it is any what I was talking about to say

14:44

have to pay on her. They need to pay for.

14:46

It So they've chosen to do that

14:48

through these content lengths of licensing deals

14:50

that I don't even a Hollywood value.

14:52

Those deals like are. At a ping these

14:54

are the shares. the right amount? I? I don't know,

14:57

so I really. Feel like this is all just

14:59

can have to be worked out and I really

15:01

hope that those companies didn't sign bad deals that

15:03

are to ultimately thank them as. Well. Will

15:05

read it did as sixty million dollar deal

15:07

right? But. Of course they're not selling

15:09

their own that has are just a platform

15:12

they're selling. My conscious i'm sorry I wrote

15:14

is our it's they're selling The kids had

15:16

put Elmer School and Pizzas and the Maverick

15:18

and are great for. A

15:21

So here we are probably

15:23

both sides. One is garbage

15:25

content. Generated.

15:27

By these a eyes because they can't

15:29

distinguish between a joke and and a

15:32

genuine. Suggestion. Or

15:34

the other is. Their. Descent or mediating

15:36

the original source of all his content.

15:39

So. That users don't have to click through,

15:41

they can just read the generated page.

15:45

And by the way is a

15:47

I. Companies are burning money because

15:49

the creation of these alums is

15:51

so hideously expensive they can't possibly.

15:54

Generate. Enough revenue to pay for it to

15:56

the whole thing is a House of Cards

15:58

is. Is that what Merkley. It Marchese

16:00

was saying. Alex. Know.

16:03

I think that we're going to see the

16:05

cause come down for these models to run

16:07

by. Dad is that is a good are

16:10

they are they or that just wishful thinking.

16:12

They. Are they? We have infrastructure that's

16:14

being built. weather's by in video which

16:17

has more powerful. Gp is coming out

16:19

from your alley and rock. Yeah

16:21

they're expensive but there's sort of them are

16:23

going to challenge them like rock that as

16:25

building purpose built and are you on muskrat

16:27

T R O que which is a eyes

16:30

as he did a big names older yeah

16:32

exactly know where there's it's gonna come down.

16:34

The techniques are going to get a better

16:36

this gonna be less loss and the models

16:38

so you'll be able to use more the

16:41

data more productively is to can be expensive

16:43

like. It's. Not gonna be cheaper

16:45

than serving a Google search result, that's for

16:47

sure. And I think we're going to see

16:49

that Google is only gonna fire these ai

16:51

overviews, which they have adopted pages for a

16:53

percentage of searches. it's not going to be

16:55

for every surge. In. Fact

16:57

is not can be fair research for perplexity

16:59

as that can be for every search for

17:01

being or even human rights like as is

17:03

the thing that can app and as search

17:05

engines are just gonna try to figure out

17:07

which answer deserves agenda of response, which answer

17:10

deserves tend to links and then serve you

17:12

the right ones. I can keep the margins

17:14

up. Our But you know right now

17:16

we do know that there's been as a ton

17:18

of money that's been spent on Gen Vi. And.

17:21

Not a lotta revenue coming in the as

17:23

I think fifty billion dollars that it ended

17:25

invested in new videos eight one hundred ships

17:27

over the past year. And.

17:29

Three billion has been made from it. Now.

17:31

Open A I have made his unscheduled or

17:33

make two billion this year they're probably going

17:36

to billions more from Apple wants. Their deal

17:38

was announced at Wwdc. In things go well,

17:41

As. I anticipated tap and but we're at the

17:43

very beginning of this and there's gonna be

17:45

some you know sort of frost in the

17:47

system that can a boil off. Ah,

17:49

But ultimately there is gonna be economics

17:51

here for folks and and ago Marchese

17:54

point is is. Broadly. Is

17:56

that there's gonna be a a new system

17:58

that gonna be built and. That

18:00

kinda com is that we might end up

18:02

there be for we're ready for it. And

18:05

me, I think you're spot on and saying that

18:07

people don't like to pay. And

18:10

therefore we had and of we build a

18:12

system. The Internet build a system that would

18:14

allow Ah. Companies. Make money

18:16

based sauces and not paying which is advertising

18:18

and now. We. Start to see what

18:20

happens when we move beyond that. And here's what

18:23

you sow discord. It's it's as if you're not

18:25

paying than you are the product and a lot

18:27

of cases and consumers were never paying for the

18:29

internet. so the Internet found a way to make

18:31

money for awesome. You. Might be paying

18:33

for dinner to be I and that would

18:35

allow it to deliver you the best recommendation

18:38

Not recommend who paid the most as good

18:40

in theory. Or. We don't know if the

18:42

miles are taking sides. And black boxes

18:44

a hard and to me that's the real

18:46

problem that we might be running into is

18:48

that he's perplexity pages an open a a

18:50

touchy pity him whenever you might be searching

18:52

and. Their. Total Black Boxes. We

18:55

don't know how they come to

18:57

the recommendations that they're making. They

18:59

don't even know necessary. They don't

19:01

even know that is a problem.

19:03

It feels like we've replaced a

19:05

as a system that could never

19:07

works and the Internet's with it.

19:09

Even more chaotic system that requires

19:12

an inner workings payment system. Wouldn't

19:14

you know? Money out But no

19:16

money in. It. Feels like it's

19:18

not making a better, it's making away with

19:20

can make it worse. This feels very like

19:22

I feel like I'm going crazy lists of

19:24

like saddling all of this and I'll see

19:27

my reactions of this is what I'm gonna

19:29

go for a walk with I don't like

19:31

how many times you gonna like. A

19:33

I generate an answer to light a question

19:35

that I have formed in a do something

19:37

else with my time Like I don't I

19:40

don't have. Many and I have

19:42

infinite number useless and this plan on that.

19:44

I don't need to customize a i generated

19:46

you know perplexity plates to send to my

19:48

friends as like about I like go to

19:50

his house only had a here like that

19:52

scares other thing I thought is the and

19:54

then that's honest and ice I have as

19:56

him in publishing I see all these discussions

19:58

and I'm like this. So small it's

20:01

like how many like you can. Wife's

20:03

the car and like at a certain

20:05

point as like it's shiny enough it's

20:07

like I got the answer i don't

20:09

need it anymore like delivers it and

20:11

assign a different way It like at

20:13

a certain point like I don't care

20:15

for our does use your very exhausting,

20:17

you're very bullish had sounds like you're

20:19

very optimistic about all this, but it

20:21

does feel like it's almost a ponzi

20:23

scheme where we're just gonna keep shifting.

20:26

The. Responsibility for payment in

20:28

and and nothing ever really

20:30

gets fixed. It, it's

20:33

like goober. It's it's gonna eventually. It

20:35

feels like it's going to collapse in

20:37

on itself. In I was watching a

20:40

documentary and America experience about the Kerner

20:42

Commission in Nineteen Sixty Seven. The

20:45

Nation America was torn with riots.

20:47

The ghettos were burning in city

20:49

after city after city. It's it

20:52

was a terrifying time pret the

20:54

President, the time when and Johnson.

20:57

Said. Ominous form a commission scan

20:59

all white men broke him since

21:01

it with bomb a former to

21:03

business to get to the bomb

21:05

as as what's wise is happening

21:07

and how we keep it from

21:09

happening. The commission came back with

21:11

a very controversial reports number one

21:13

recommendation was a guaranteed universal income.

21:15

This is nineteen sixty seven. This

21:18

is realizing that the fundamental structural

21:20

problem was you have very poor

21:22

people. Called. Collected in

21:24

in ghettos and prevented from ever

21:26

getting out of the ghetto and

21:28

eventually. They. Revolted. They say we're

21:30

not at, we're going to take this anymore. They

21:32

burn as into the ground and the Kurdistan Region.

21:34

And Ninety Sixty Seven said. It.

21:37

Way how the only way out is a

21:39

income. Or assets

21:41

it or happened By the way, afraid

21:43

center or add one other wrinkle to

21:45

this version of us. Will. Best in town

21:47

is one payment for content is another.

21:49

Do a tear in. At all is

21:51

another one. a third one is

21:53

a cc. Environmental resources for all.

21:55

Oh, it's a nightmare. right? It's

21:58

is very significant. The. The

22:00

energy that's going into this and a lot of

22:02

it is not renewable, so you don't really what.

22:04

Has solar panels like powering these servers

22:07

that are doing all these complex computations.

22:09

So basically I just read an article

22:11

about Microsoft. Their emissions are just going

22:13

up and up and up. Every year

22:15

of four years ago, they sent a

22:17

zero emissions goal. They've only gotten further

22:19

from it. And. The big reasons

22:21

for that are: ai. Training new models. I

22:24

mean is or does guzzling energy and

22:26

resources and I it's it's a good

22:28

question, like how many resources. We want

22:30

to burn sit have google tell us to Iraq's.

22:34

As much as returned. To

22:36

think about a no no using Auburn I.

22:39

Know. Of course, nine remote of Ninety

22:41

Rocks bombs on from address this

22:43

point. so it's a server Energy

22:45

for civil. This might be.

22:47

I do agree that it's an energy problem

22:50

and similar to the bitcoin problem, were like

22:52

these big queen minds for guzzling of energy

22:54

and ultimately harming the planet. The.

22:56

One piece of hope that I have here,

22:58

and maybe I'm too optimistic from my own

23:00

good, is that this might push as closer

23:02

to going to nuclear power. right?

23:04

And as a nuclear power something that

23:07

can help us container Climate Crisis has

23:09

his controversial no Doubt. But. We

23:12

forsake in it and it's become unpopular

23:14

politically where you know why we are

23:16

all that we would forsaken. It's Three

23:18

Mile Island turnovers. I mean there were

23:20

a good reasons to turn our back

23:22

and nuclear it's I know he like

23:24

know dying this and people say oh

23:26

no no to that nuclear power cease

23:28

and the waste problem is solved. By

23:31

that's. Not the history of nuclear

23:33

power of a more senior cream. Right

23:35

now. there's a massive nuclear power plants

23:38

that the Russians are at any moment

23:40

could create a meltdown. They control it,

23:42

and they have acted very responsibly around

23:44

it. I don't know are these plants

23:47

say. I would

23:49

say that their orders of magnitude they would

23:51

be orders of magnitude safer now than they

23:53

were back in and and miranda get dinosaurs

23:56

I I may move by the engines you

23:58

would. You can run a nuclear. Man

24:00

today. On. A effectively

24:02

I mean it on a computer on

24:04

computer system, right? We talk recover Moore's

24:06

law. the time on a computer system

24:08

Far more powerful than they were running

24:11

on Chernobyl. What she would imagine would

24:13

have the proper redundancies to stop a

24:15

meltdown like that's I mean, if you

24:17

use your I phone, it would be

24:19

powerful. More Way more powerful than a

24:21

commuter computer system running three mile Island.

24:23

So. We should have the technology that's able

24:26

to bring us to nuclear and aware that

24:28

paid in dollars and quite successful at

24:30

the amount of renewable energy from seller

24:32

has really gone. I was tons of solar

24:34

projects for the pipeline. Really what we

24:36

need a better batteries to store that energy.

24:39

That comes from the sun to hold it for longer,

24:41

hold more of and and we can use it so.

24:44

That. Would be. I. Guess my request

24:46

and in bringing this up I just think it's

24:48

gets lost in the air power. Say said like

24:50

Sam Altman like I need a trillion dollars to

24:53

train to find a giant. It's like whoa. We

24:55

should just consider it like on the back ends.

24:57

Or were doing here and I don't hear it discuss very

25:00

much, at least in the U S. There

25:02

has been some discussion like Mark Zuckerberg

25:04

was on the Marcus Patel podcast a

25:06

couple of months ago weeks ago talking

25:08

about the energy needs here, and I

25:10

think that. But. We know tech

25:12

and it isn't perfect. But I do think

25:14

that when Silicon Valley gets on a problem

25:16

and tackles the creatively and oftentimes solutions that

25:19

thrusts the world is not. Prioritizing.

25:21

And so whether it's an investment in solar weather

25:24

as an investment a nuclear may be and safe

25:26

Nuclear. Maybe. This is how it

25:28

happens. I'm not saying it's guaranteed by. Think.

25:31

About the Status Quo today in climate

25:33

is now working. We. Need new solutions

25:35

and maybe this is one of among many

25:37

solutions that we can use to help shake

25:40

it up. And. Send us in a

25:42

different direction. I just really a tax gonna

25:44

do it like I think that gonna come

25:46

from. A some regulation he

25:48

has see being part as you know.

25:51

The. Stock Market at it as it's on. See,

25:53

I'm not seeing at least in Microsoft Example

25:55

that they are solving. It's only getting worse.

25:58

Mcgovern and I saw that the. The made an

26:00

attack. The gaps in science act has

26:03

been I sick, very sick set, or

26:05

at least it looks to be very

26:07

successful investing in American ships andris all

26:09

of a sudden we're We're We're going

26:11

to be competitive, where we've just basically

26:13

been offshoring everything, with billions of dollars

26:16

pumped into the economy. I

26:18

think that's very interesting and subsectors

26:20

great ill so it is possible

26:23

for government. To. To. Pour

26:25

money into a solution? Maybe nuclear?

26:28

Maybe. Nuclear. That. So to

26:30

have to be right, it's like the beats

26:32

Intel building nuclear powerplants. I just don't think

26:34

it's gonna be either or right like obviously

26:37

private sectors and gonna solve these problems. But

26:39

we gotta shake the status go up. And

26:42

was it as government. Or. Whether that private

26:44

sector or some combination of both, there needs

26:46

to be compelling events to get us off

26:48

of what we're doing. Maybe it's

26:50

the I evolution? Who knows, I mean it. There's

26:52

gonna be is gonna need to be a new

26:54

approach to energy no matter what. to power these

26:57

mouse? But. Something has to do

26:59

it and I'm not. May the thing sitting

27:01

in front of us is is what it

27:03

does our own. Again, I had preface this

27:05

by saying maybe I'm too optimistic but that

27:07

being said, we need something to change. I

27:09

like to your plant he's the last optimist

27:11

isn't this? Is this our probably to going

27:14

to be the last optimistic assessment. I'll be

27:16

growing nickel with our minds about this. I

27:18

have shiny. Do we need it? And I

27:20

think that. We do have only

27:22

three being which is have offered generative

27:24

search for more than a year. only has

27:26

three point six percent of global search

27:28

share says that like everybody wants to go

27:31

this technology right away. That being said,

27:33

this is the worst it's ever going to

27:35

be and we already see it being put

27:37

into practice and enterprises for instance, searching

27:39

documents, queried companies are workflows been able to

27:41

be better a customer service. The stuff

27:43

is happening today and it's actually having our

27:46

ally. So. Maybe that extends

27:48

to consumer over time. but add you

27:50

know if you're pessimists speak their definitely

27:52

data points that you can point to

27:54

a degenerative ai moment and say. Wait,

27:57

What The Hell Is happening? Because. It.

27:59

Definitely is. The moment of just unbelievable

28:01

exuberance. And there's definitely some irrational exuberance.

28:03

I can't help but I go back

28:05

and forth back with Emily you actually

28:07

use do chose the best be he

28:10

got Lp these and a eyes they

28:12

go together Like to say like peanut

28:14

butter and jelly. Are you an Ai

28:16

optimist? I'm

28:19

interested in in where it's and a

28:21

on. I hope it

28:23

brings up good discussions. I do think.

28:26

It's can keep going. I don't think it's

28:28

like crypto. Lot of people like always is

28:30

different than crypto that sustains everything and it

28:32

didn't. I do think it's more here to

28:34

say I'm. I just think there's

28:36

some obvious solution that would. Grease. The

28:38

wheels and give us all less anxiety about

28:41

this. And I just wish. We could talk

28:43

more about them. Like to. Pay for the content,

28:45

Just mark what's a I generated on the

28:47

web. and what's not. We don't feel like

28:49

we're all getting made fools of because we're

28:52

eating like garbage. Computer contents just be transparent.

28:54

You know, make sure that the energy use

28:56

for a comes from a good. Place

28:58

mixer is ethical like I just don't

29:00

feel like people are rallying around those

29:02

things and I would feel more comfortable

29:05

if we just had any solution. From

29:07

the past year that's like really working.

29:09

Well so I think it can

29:11

be done. I'm optimistic. I just.

29:13

I. Don't think much has changed. The year on

29:15

any of those issues anybody. And you

29:17

have people like Salmon who really. Seem.

29:21

To be. Full. Speed ahead

29:23

and all that. all costs doesn't matter.

29:25

Throw more bills into the furnace. yeah

29:27

and and much just because we're didn't

29:30

that a d I one where the

29:32

other than there's companies like Anthropic who

29:34

are very safety focus who seem to

29:36

be completely said size. I'm from Hamburg

29:39

by their focus on safety only have

29:41

a company like Google that's just basically

29:43

Like or Krusty the Clown the I

29:46

Don't know what the Hell Sisters is

29:48

known as I do this work on.

29:51

Things in our print. Sized. Faces as in a permanent

29:53

state of like. Like. To start

29:55

likes of what is happening I don't

29:58

but at what. Amen

30:00

I don't like I hear you Alex like I'm

30:02

I'm optimistic to I just I feel a time

30:04

is passing and like were sold the same spot.

30:06

Kind of this with a new. Yet. Krusty

30:09

the Clown of the Month, Of

30:11

I don't know I look Ai ai is like

30:13

a had him as his mind of it's own

30:16

so it's like road to we own admiral verifying

30:18

so far as Alison. So you're gonna get the

30:20

eight eat rocks thing for sure. You're going to

30:22

get it for you for your when you may

30:24

have to buy the right if I in our

30:26

the random human on the street. You.

30:28

Know is a comprehensive. many years of

30:31

vaccine good. Is it a good movie?

30:33

Get a vaccine. Has I murder sooner?

30:35

Cause you're curious and they're wrong. They're.

30:37

Just wrong. But that's but that's the

30:40

same humans. Aren't. Are

30:42

just urge the reason ai is full

30:44

his. Poops is because humans

30:46

are full of poop words right? I

30:48

say heard when the turing test that

30:50

to or near the turing test against

30:52

the computer? Something human So I read

30:54

an. What's his name re curse

30:57

else book coming out soon and he talks

30:59

a lot about how in order for Ai

31:01

to pass the turing test gonna have to

31:03

be wrong sometimes as as human so. That's.

31:06

Human others gonna have to not make

31:08

sense of and after have flaws arm

31:10

as gonna have to get information inaccurate

31:12

thought for were that squares with this

31:14

we always once. Better. Perfect

31:16

information. But then we also want. To see

31:18

the I this is when Emily Bill

31:20

nip bender and or Margaret Mitchell and

31:22

to make give her wrote in stochastic

31:24

Parents which I think is really true

31:26

is because it's coming out of the

31:28

mouth of a machine Have a computer.

31:30

We give it more trust than we

31:32

do out of a human and the

31:35

problem is that Ai is it more

31:37

trustworthy than humans and and to I

31:39

think it's a fool's errand to make

31:41

it more trustworthy. I don't think that

31:43

that's the solution either and with was

31:45

caused a winning take a break with

31:47

this is a great conversation. It

31:49

is. I apologize Little chaotic cause.

31:52

Marchese. Was right Chaos. That's what's

31:54

happening us in the world around us.

31:56

But thank goodness we have smart people

31:58

to help us, sir. I like getting

32:00

together and is trying to figure it all

32:02

out. Emily dribble buses here. She writes about

32:04

eve, ease and ai and more. A

32:07

Pc magazine. She. Is an

32:09

electric human. Are

32:11

you one of the Electric humans? Is it a band?

32:15

I don't know. Authors also. think about I,

32:17

you're gonna have a healthy brand as Era

32:20

and away up at Electric Underscore Humans. The

32:22

I think that's good. I like it. We'd

32:24

be to be row A christening or magazine.

32:26

And the human part. I'm interested in the

32:29

human effect of technology, not just the technology

32:31

itself, so it's going for that with the

32:33

Human that makes sense. That

32:35

makes sense. Also here Nicholas they may own

32:38

from Consumer Reports. He has the unenviable job

32:40

of explaining all to normals more that I

32:42

struggle with. I go back of of as

32:44

as but as a I stuff all the

32:46

time because I try to find like the

32:48

actual kind of everyday person utility for lot

32:50

of the stuff in assists. like on I

32:53

should have a story published this week. From.

32:56

Coming from that angle and it's like there's

32:58

not how many times can these chats be

33:00

t the way ask like a trivial of

33:03

quests know it's like I am sense of

33:05

copilot. Obviously there are clear like useful uses

33:07

for these things but if I'm just

33:09

like a dad and Danbury Connecticut like. I.

33:12

Don't know yet. It's still feels like

33:14

a little bit in over the horizon

33:16

of large and the amber. interested I'd

33:18

do I'd. Far. I farmers

33:20

a in the case in not super and says

33:23

it's can be the name. Miners out there ought

33:25

to ban Dad and Danbury or any dad's from

33:27

Denver to say yes they are. Phoney

33:31

and let us know it's you say.

33:33

I'm very very on the line. let

33:35

us know what you think about Ai.

33:38

We are dying to hear it for

33:40

super name is Dan Pacific Salmon Dad

33:42

Dad and in Danbury that is the

33:44

wonderful Alex Kantrowitz. We always love having

33:47

you on big technology podcasts. you are

33:49

you talk. To the biggest, most interesting

33:51

people in the business. Which means you

33:53

often have some insight to add. That

33:55

though. I. Completely lacks as

33:57

I don't talk to any by so thanks. The

34:00

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34:02

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34:04

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you're all three of your are

36:59

young. Ah, I.

37:01

Had my kids my my my daughter's thirty

37:03

two My my son's twenty eight. I have

37:05

my kids in an earlier time. It didn't

37:07

feel like it, it was. The internet was

37:10

around, wasn't completely the dark ages, but it

37:12

was a very different time. And.

37:14

I look at them and I wonder if they're ever gonna

37:16

have kids. I have a feeling that they see like maybe

37:18

it's not a good time. Where.

37:20

At this a very personal question, but. Nicholas

37:23

you even have kids would you have kids

37:25

in this world ah I wouldn't be opposed

37:27

to having kids is my would you not

37:29

be nervous about bring know know all the

37:31

stuff that we discuss the at now it's

37:34

gonna be fine did like where I live

37:36

in like base of the middle of nowhere

37:38

in arizona and like those concerns of these

37:40

people have is not the same realize it's

37:42

like it's like bill was it out it's

37:44

it's like it's in our to be to

37:46

flip a like all this stuff is like

37:48

way outside of her their life will has

37:50

of like to see it as we i

37:52

live in a bubble so. That's guys,

37:54

I work in a bubble. I like

37:56

sanitary both worlds didn't like yeah know

37:59

like they would have known you Emily

38:01

or with. I don't know your

38:03

personal situation is but. If

38:05

you know. Would. You consider having children in

38:07

this world or is it your? Are you I

38:10

guess request I'm asking is. You

38:12

know, Fianna Kids Today. They.

38:14

Would be my age at the turn of the

38:16

century. Like. That twenty

38:19

one hundreds gonna be wild rice.

38:22

I'm. Not sure I'd want to have a kid to. they. What about

38:24

you, Emily? Some

38:26

the plant topic I'm thinking about them

38:28

getting married or a month. Congratulation As

38:30

I said eggs and rescue say oh

38:32

god what are you doing here don't

38:34

you ever do like deterred true. So

38:36

together summer I know I have a

38:38

list of equipment on a list of

38:41

all the time he said it's and

38:43

are they are you planning the wedding

38:45

arise to could be a small affair.

38:48

Is like a hundred people. Use ah

38:50

yeah my south as helping a lot my

38:52

family's help anger on out. So yeah, make

38:54

making room for me to be on the

38:56

podcast for three hours on a Sunday. I

38:58

I definitely feel like I have sons of

39:01

support sellers. No problem at all. of you

39:03

and your fiance talked about starting a family.

39:05

Yeah, Ever going to try to do

39:08

that? Oh good. So since your answer

39:10

is yes. Lancers. Yes,

39:12

I'm. And. I

39:14

I think there's a lot of negativity around kids

39:16

though. like a lot of my tic toc. Seed

39:18

is just like people who either say the

39:20

child Free movement that a lot of people

39:22

saying that you know I'm south be by

39:24

choice. A lot of women who are talking

39:27

about you know not wanting to have children

39:29

and I do understand that. In twenty

39:31

thirty four years ago, it was just very

39:33

much assumed that you would have children and

39:35

that would be all you're. Doing and like

39:37

you know for example, I wouldn't be on this

39:40

podcast right now and and I can be and

39:42

have professionals. Teacher because I I can make a

39:44

choice that having kids so. I guess

39:46

that I'm that. I think it's

39:48

a little overly like negatives. I'm.

39:50

Here with Nicholas is is this is

39:52

just people in the bubble are worried,

39:55

not not real people. I

39:57

I'm still in my life and isn't and

39:59

we are heading. There's a population crunch. That

40:02

right it's it's it is the case It,

40:04

especially in developing in a non developing world

40:06

of people are not having kids at the

40:08

rate. As they did, China's

40:10

major crisis coming and I think even the

40:13

U S. that's why you on is having

40:15

so many kids. I spent a lot. You

40:17

want to make up for the air. The

40:19

deficit is halfway there. Are you Feeding means

40:22

I'm being used. My

40:25

gut feeling of s you haven't take

40:27

the bait so. I. Just don't think

40:29

he's building aware of that. Make. Sense is basically

40:31

just having a bunch of kids and not

40:33

being able to be a father to any

40:35

of them. and there are is enough research

40:37

to really that's a bad idea to. Sell

40:39

items missing out on a

40:42

real elite are honoring population

40:44

out. seriously. Eight point one

40:46

billion people in the world.

40:49

Number It's a lot of people. Ah,

40:53

You want? I had a that alex. That.

40:55

Definitely a minute. You. Know,

40:57

I think that I've been married for less

40:59

than a year. been awesome so far and

41:01

we definitely would like to have. Little Kantrowitz

41:03

is running around. But

41:05

I think you know both from like a practical

41:08

standpoint and from your at least from my perspective

41:10

of sustainability standpoint. don't really want to have more

41:12

than to feel like replacing as but I didn't

41:14

read me around. my smith wrote zero and and

41:16

if you want to have more and you have

41:19

your own reasons for it, you know by all

41:21

means go for it. And if you don't have

41:23

any any of your own reasons for by own

41:25

by all means like. I'm I

41:27

can tell you what to do in terms of

41:29

your family planning but for me personally I think

41:32

to is the right number on replace and you

41:34

know don't wanna add necessarily you know more consumers

41:36

year and I think we are like and

41:38

still living in the U S. We are in

41:40

one of these developing societies that we're having less

41:43

the most kids so I think that like you

41:45

know it does make sense to have a couple

41:47

and I'm thousand do it not immediately. And

41:50

and in a like and we said there's

41:52

nothing in be some professional choices that I'll

41:55

have to make at that time. Ah, and

41:57

ready to do it like ready to sacrifice

41:59

and be. For the children. And.

42:01

I'm excited by yet seen bits of

42:03

i apologize Moral to all three. Acres

42:05

is a very personal was recently Masterclass

42:08

has a young kids as young really.

42:10

The fundamental question is are you optimistic

42:12

about the future? And I mean I

42:14

vog deathly optimistic. So I'm definitely hydrated.

42:16

De Franco will be a world that

42:18

your children if you had them to

42:20

they would be. Yeah, when they're your

42:22

age would be glad to be a

42:24

part. I were imperfect pot. You know

42:26

where imperfect species. We've definitely made lots

42:28

of mistakes we continue to make. Them

42:30

are making. Them right now. Ah, but we

42:32

have improved the world for ourselves as we've gone

42:35

on. Now we do. We will have a resource

42:37

current, there's no doubt about it. But.

42:39

I do think we'll be able to get to a

42:41

place where we innovate ourselves to you know, point, where

42:43

we're going to be in okay shape because we have

42:46

no choice. Are we really just don't don't have a

42:48

choice here and will be able to figure it out.

42:51

The I often wondered some older and. I.

42:54

Think when of things that have this people get

42:56

older is they start to look with a golden

42:59

glow at the past and say the world today

43:01

sucks When my day was you know it was

43:03

good at what makes I want to know. If.

43:06

Is. A. Does seem like we

43:08

are in a very bad pickle right now.

43:10

I am I wrong about I want to

43:13

know is that just because I'm old or

43:15

and so it's It's actually encouraging to me

43:17

that are all three of you. Ah,

43:20

Are are optimistic about the future. I'm not

43:22

so optimistic I'll be honest with ourselves it's

43:24

different every day. ah I see like were

43:26

it not headed down a good road I

43:28

guess is when I'm at the of filling

43:30

in was lifelines way as of it's like

43:33

that will figure it out in a way

43:35

I would Little Hama yeah we will die

43:37

we always have Freya. I. Mean, if

43:39

history tells us anything, it's yellow a

43:41

month and as such is life. Yeah,

43:43

that's god's will I me undies of

43:45

a person or just say they're recording

43:47

for your children and twenty years we're

43:49

going to play that for your toes.

43:51

Guess that's fine then. usually you know.

43:55

If you really want to get x senseless

43:57

things, just remember that one day the star

43:59

will boil itself. Yeah Supernova out

44:01

the Universe will cease to exist

44:03

and eventually are descendants or not

44:05

will evaporate. So films well by

44:07

says we're we're adding I know

44:09

what I'm doing the years us

44:12

but at in a way is

44:14

is. What's. Driving people like

44:16

he lawn and this whole test feel

44:18

movement is we want to be. Ah,

44:21

A interplanetary species so that

44:23

were not tied to the

44:25

solar system. It five

44:27

billion years from now We wanted us

44:29

in frames. Space. Travel seems

44:31

great, but it also seems a little premature

44:34

like I would definitely. I mean, if you

44:36

want to do that fine, but put equal

44:38

or greater effort into making sure that this

44:40

planet as habitable for the long time. Because

44:42

yeah, we are like many, many years away

44:44

from the sun collapse. We are not as

44:46

many years away from our climate clapped removing

44:48

month of the worst is gonna hear it

44:50

can be and I plan on Larry. Yeah.

44:53

It's an escape as the by planetary.

44:55

Species thing, both mentally and physically.

44:57

Yikes. To another planet by that. I

44:59

just think it would be such a huge loss

45:02

if we lost like all of our beautiful nature

45:04

on this planet like we just couldn't and have

45:06

at our own planet at it's hard for me

45:08

to get excited about. I'm. You're. Forced to

45:10

inhabit another planet, That. Increases

45:14

in. The has kids I guess on what effect. On

45:16

ill equipped I'm glad I had kids.

45:20

But. That was a long time ago. I

45:22

was a generation ago. I

45:24

don't know in a when I'm when I'm I

45:26

guess in a way ask is should my should

45:28

I have Grandkids are my children has guns and

45:30

they sure don't seem inclined to at this point.

45:33

I'm. Maybe.

45:35

I've been poisoned. Sex that

45:38

minds with fears of climate

45:40

change and or the collapse

45:42

of of our democracy. And

45:44

you know, Did they?

45:47

Have a I apocalypse just around the

45:49

course. My daughter loves a I. See.

45:52

She says is crazy Bennett's small suburb.

45:54

Met many of her best friends or

45:56

or a eyes. By

45:59

six. I don't know what

46:01

the answer is. Open An Ai Kids

46:03

Ai kids. Sydney. As funny

46:05

as who's visiting as she was in New York

46:07

but she was visiting air last week and I

46:10

said as he played with for oh lately and

46:12

said no as had bucket let me introduce you

46:14

and so we had a three way conversation. With

46:18

as a chat cbt for oh cause

46:20

i i talk to him in all

46:22

the time and that. It. Was.

46:26

Scattered and a dime conversation it was

46:28

the know how. Superficial.

46:31

But it's the same time. In some ways, it

46:34

was better conversation that three humans would have had.

46:37

That they I was very stimulating was interesting.

46:39

It took what we said and. Ah,

46:42

Kind. Of suit on it and give us something.

46:45

Different back I thought it was quite good.

46:48

So. I don't know she says see. Object

46:52

or it. It is weird to think

46:54

about bringing new humans into a world

46:56

that's increasingly Unser how to value like

46:58

to physical body of a human. As

47:01

I guess we can just create.

47:03

Computers. That are humans. And right? Why

47:06

do we need these physical humans and so

47:08

ineptly a. Weird a weird moment in terms

47:10

of defining like what it means to be

47:12

human and as their their value and as

47:15

soon as well human of the flesh. One

47:17

thing I I was definitely were with my

47:19

kids I so bad that they. Got.

47:21

Out of college and grew up in a world

47:24

where the jobs are harder and harder to get

47:26

my expenses. they're probably never own a home. Except

47:29

to read type yeah after he talked

47:31

about climate like bad financial burden on

47:34

young people had a is crazy First

47:36

of all money. I mean look over

47:38

your gender issues with their own hard

47:41

stuff by millennials engines. Evil. Really Millennials

47:43

have gotten the worst of it. Come

47:45

outta college, pretty much in the middle

47:48

the financial crisis know jumps to begin

47:50

with. their. You know lived through

47:52

cove it after basically sacrifice you know

47:54

so so to be able to her

47:56

life you know make sure that we

47:58

have limited does should have been other.

48:01

You. Know financial crises that I've gone

48:03

along in over the course. Ah in

48:05

out there but every it seems like

48:07

every time like this generation gets their

48:10

feet underneath them, some other crisis and

48:12

insisted disaster and now you have the

48:14

cost of childcare that's going through the

48:17

roof. Ah, housing your own a house

48:19

now goods lot like your have deep

48:21

trouble you not can be able to

48:24

buy a house and and just financially

48:26

it's It's very difficult to live on

48:28

less. I feel like my inner cities

48:31

list. Year to integrate since nothing as

48:33

a supply of to say leo is

48:35

that please Whatever happens, the voters of

48:37

those two rivers going to vote do

48:39

not vote To raise the retirement age

48:42

will do whatever we can to get

48:44

her. What is it? Sixty Two. Sixty

48:46

Wow. Nine. And. Then we're taking

48:48

social security or also don't have to

48:50

work longer to support my generation of

48:53

it as we work to and mini

48:55

we were tired at the age or

48:57

gladly do they. Are

49:00

not indifferent, retire and Aids is not a

49:02

real thing in the U S. That yeah

49:04

very much. and France it's like a real

49:06

thing for you actually can stop working and

49:09

I mean at so it's pretty heavy. I

49:11

have a say over drivers who are eighty.

49:13

Yes, they are. They have a safety nets

49:15

are gone any Walmart does. He held the

49:17

graders. Are. I mean. That

49:19

sad. Sir

49:22

and I got my little zest ready. I'm

49:24

an obese. I'll be. Cheerful

49:26

than previous Ticketmaster. What a

49:28

week for Ticketmaster! Ah ah,

49:30

we're talking about that. We

49:32

come Now that was Nasa

49:34

we have Really cheers you

49:36

all up. We'll talk about

49:38

the troubles with Ticketmaster and

49:40

just a little bit with

49:42

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49:47

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49:49

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him so much for their support. I

51:12

remember as see an article by somebody would

51:14

spot tickets to the era's to her

51:16

the Taylor Swift tour in the United States

51:18

who realize the for what they pay

51:20

for those tickets they could have flown to

51:22

Florence, watched the show, paid for the

51:24

tickets and flown back for less than it

51:27

costs just for the tickets alone and

51:29

the Us. And there's one reason or one

51:31

reason only for that it's a loo

51:33

loo company called Ticketmaster. The.

51:37

U S T O J is finally

51:39

deciding to do something about what is,

51:41

so I think that clearest example. Of

51:44

a pool of a massive monopoly

51:46

that is just robbing peter. To.

51:49

Pay Paul. Or any

51:51

thoughts about did you read about Ticketmaster Nicholas

51:53

in law We didn't cover their last week

51:55

but it is. I am fully everyone has

51:57

used to get news you've you've encountered Ticket

51:59

Mass I'm going to assume I know that

52:01

has once you go to see it as

52:03

oh it's because they own all the venues

52:05

Yeah so artist can't perform at the venues

52:07

they want to performer unless they sell tickets

52:10

to ticket and as such as music I

52:12

was like wrestling shows If you want to

52:14

buy wrestling tickets as Ticket mass as you

52:16

can avoid this company if you want to

52:18

go to like a live event. Ah and

52:20

yeah hundred I don't know that too many

52:22

people can be broken of about wealth of

52:24

the maybe the breakup of of took him

52:26

as they own the venues the on Live

52:28

Nation which which is the Ebb. And

52:31

guess you don't call label any more but

52:33

a effect really. Motor bigger promoter for of

52:35

Madonna. She has a deal with Live Nation

52:37

for albums for concerts. For the whole thing

52:39

I'm sure she gets you will show up

52:41

at Twelve Peace and Bed at night when

52:44

we were dirty or are we knew we

52:46

knew that she wouldn't Sometimes you come on

52:48

ten thirty not so bad. Yeah not bad

52:50

for galaxies. Specific guys are suing. In.

52:52

Los Angeles because not only does he come out

52:54

it's and thirty but he says it was a

52:57

porn show. Which. It was

52:59

and I've seen the show. Ah, it was a

53:01

great. So if you go see Madonna you should

53:03

be surprised if there's a little bit as sexy

53:05

going on and that guy's fault, that's the main

53:08

thing is it's a beehive. Ridiculous. Well, but at

53:10

the same town everybody I've seen it. done it

53:12

twice now. she was an hour and a half

53:14

like both times. You just know. That's.

53:17

What's gonna happen? But

53:20

dunno if there was own director there was

53:23

a great of you Tube video out of

53:25

Boston. were among some local news report where

53:27

Madonna came on at like eleven and there's

53:29

a woman out as as heater Madonna have

53:32

You have no compassion? By

53:36

a babysitter. So anyway on the though

53:39

it is just a ticket Master is

53:41

is another thing they do. I know

53:43

about this but Alex Lindsay was on

53:45

as the tech. As earlier said, you

53:47

know that they also. Control.

53:49

The resale. So if

53:51

you. Notice that all those

53:54

seats are sold for your favorite artist

53:56

within thirty seconds of them going on

53:58

sale. That's because. Bomb! And scalpers

54:00

amelie snap up all the tickets and

54:02

ticket master still going to get. They

54:05

get a come and go and when

54:07

they do the resale they go through

54:09

Ticketmaster. Unless they're standing on the corner

54:11

selling them, they go through Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster

54:13

gets another cuts so they have no

54:15

incentive. To. Stop These spots. In

54:18

any of, I have a cautionary tale

54:20

about that. Yeah, I. Ah ok. went

54:22

to Japan last summer and sixty where I got

54:24

gates saw and I was trying to find this

54:27

trip. And I made a hard

54:29

ethical decision. To try to. Five. Hundred

54:31

a ticket and resell them. Oh that.

54:33

a little a little money make him

54:35

scam. There's a guy to try. As

54:37

you know the whole Taylor Swift type was happening

54:39

and I you know it's Devlin question will a

54:41

driving up prices so making it less and less

54:43

accessible for. Other flow real France and that's

54:46

a of. But my parents were surprisingly

54:48

supportive so it's like okay, maybe it's

54:50

fine as her. Mom's

54:52

and I have a plan. Consists

54:56

of been going on at. And

54:59

my parents are really great people and

55:01

also very like ethically sound and other

55:03

all you guys are open to it

55:05

whenever. Anyway, I'm sorry I bought tickets

55:08

on Ticketmaster ammunition when like. I'm.

55:11

Just to alter even by wow i had to

55:13

resign us know i had to sign up for

55:16

on ship different cities for the something called like

55:18

the bee hives of for be I say and

55:20

i had like to join the beehive and like

55:22

every city. See him as

55:24

and then I gave me early access

55:26

to like maybe winning the lottery. For

55:28

any of these cities. So basically I got. I

55:30

think I got tickets actually. In Chicago where I was

55:32

living at one. That lottery I.

55:35

Bought. The tickets and then I am.

55:37

Tried to resell them by didn't realize

55:39

Ticketmaster to take so many sees first

55:41

when you buy the tickets and then

55:43

when eerie, solemn and I i i

55:45

lost money on it. Oh.

55:48

Man sees Virginia made money.

55:51

To ticket master not yet not

55:53

my on a money Not Emily.

55:56

To. The now I just guys made a fool

55:58

of. you know I compromised by more. You're

56:00

not alone. United. On the

56:03

Highs and I got rocked so it

56:05

don't and sees number one grammy winning

56:07

artist A The Sign That A work

56:09

so. Blip. Been on scene

56:11

of you want to sell tickets on Ticketmaster

56:13

to see where their fees on every part

56:15

of transaction and they construe you and they

56:17

often until you the by the to so

56:19

like you he said the decision has its

56:21

pros presence of yours or good the on

56:23

tell you that can be forty eight dollars.

56:25

Seize. On top of that at the

56:28

end they do is awful. You

56:30

have to resell the ticket for so much

56:32

higher than in Ot. It. To overcome the

56:34

hurdle of all those see their had

56:36

surfed pushing the prices up. In

56:39

that house is going after these hidden

56:41

see. That's right, it's one of the

56:43

best things the by the administration and

56:45

I don't and it's their way into

56:47

daily. Recently had their way of tackling

56:49

inflation. Would sound like basically. Under.

56:51

Doing whatever they can cause they have the

56:53

like be a minimal control apparently and their

56:56

final agencies and whenever the reason they wanted

56:58

I wanted us to tell ya up front

57:00

is there's a see the publicity up the

57:02

on I mean. Think. About that

57:04

the Air Bnb cleaning sees. I mean

57:06

Air B known book or mover in

57:08

Iraq. same as you're living see his

57:11

two hundred zero downtown. I shouted three

57:13

hours I only two hotels for that

57:15

reason, as is good government. Find the

57:17

hidden fees. I agree. Well

57:20

and break up Ticketmaster, the Us

57:22

Department of Justice, one with Thirty

57:25

State and destroy A District Attorneys

57:27

General filed a civil a trusted

57:29

against Live Nation Entertainment and Ticketmaster

57:32

it's wholly owned subsidiary for monopolization.

57:35

And other unlawful contact conducted sports

57:37

competition A markets across the live

57:39

entertainment industry couldn't happen to a

57:42

better company. The complaint was filed

57:44

in the Southern District of New

57:46

York's. Ah, they want

57:48

to break them up. Nothing ever happens in

57:50

that distrusts year spur. This is a sense.

57:53

they want to break them up. Air,

57:55

which I think is is probably the

57:57

only solution. There's a historic A precedent.

58:00

This. Back in

58:02

the thirties, the Motion Picture Studios owned

58:04

all the Cedars in the United States,

58:06

so as a result they totally controlled

58:08

both have the means of production, the

58:10

means, a distribution and they were split

58:12

up there were forced to break up

58:15

because that was clearly a monopoly and

58:17

I have. I think that's exactly the

58:19

situation have now. I I suspect this

58:21

will take a while, but I think

58:23

it will also. Succeed

58:25

Live Nation would be huge win for

58:28

the people. From the points. For.

58:30

The here so many industries that are

58:32

becoming monopolistic and it's nets and for

58:35

comfort. Her son. It's and cut for the consumer

58:37

and I'm just like how do we get ahead of

58:39

That's like how it. Is there a

58:41

way we could have not created? the situation?

58:43

was sick, a monster. Earlier. Well, that's

58:45

a good point and I think one

58:47

of the things that didn't happen is

58:50

for a long time certain under Reagan

58:52

there was a disinclination to. Pursue.

58:55

Any trust. And. So companies

58:57

were allowed to merge. They

58:59

were allowed to get big very quickly. And

59:02

nobody did have been a bad for having. The same

59:04

conversation as actually gets comes up off

59:06

an air. Maybe it's a new wave

59:09

of just discussing monopolies and just. Is

59:12

that system that's having competition? Is. Kind

59:14

of week right now are you can't

59:16

do that. You can't really do it

59:18

preemptively. And in the United States, having

59:21

a monopoly is actually not illegal. It's

59:23

mean, it's maintaining that Milan monopoly with

59:25

anti competitive tactics that's illegal. And the

59:28

reason why it's not illegal is because.

59:30

You. Would then live in of create a

59:33

disincentive for companies to get ahead of

59:35

the field and outpaced them. Are

59:37

are paid The competition. And therefore

59:39

innovation would dry up. And I think and video

59:41

as a great example of you have something that

59:44

can be thought of as a legal monopoly at

59:46

this point. Where. Is a bit the

59:48

Gp use. They built the software to train our

59:50

on. There. Are so many companies

59:52

that are trying to catch up with them

59:54

but they have not been able to? Yeah,

59:56

they will eventually and if and video where

59:58

to do things that were anti competitive to

1:00:00

maintain that monopoly. Then all of

1:00:02

a sudden you would have a case against

1:00:04

them and similar. like you have this case

1:00:06

against Ticketmaster Rights. But.

1:00:09

Until then that sort of were a lot

1:00:11

of the economic value as we want to

1:00:13

encourage companies to be exceptional and to be

1:00:15

difficult to catch up with but not impossible.

1:00:17

For sort of how the system works. So.

1:00:21

As an example, You

1:00:23

may remember for a long time as a government

1:00:26

saw a merger of T Mobile and spread. Because.

1:00:28

It was felt that day was better

1:00:31

to have for big the cell carriers.

1:00:33

brothers three well Eventually they gave him

1:00:35

T Mobile did acquire Sprint. And.

1:00:37

Now it's about to acquire most of

1:00:39

us cellular. This is what happens. They

1:00:41

are they are accretion disks the slowly

1:00:44

add to themselves until they get so

1:00:46

big that we have to do something

1:00:48

about it's that the government is able

1:00:50

to stall these. I mean that they

1:00:52

tried to stop Microsoft, Activision. Sales.

1:00:58

So. It is possible to say no, you're

1:01:00

you're already earth is too big and that

1:01:02

and we'll want you to enter a new

1:01:04

market or we don't want to expand your

1:01:07

existing market or eliminate competition. It's I,

1:01:09

You know it's gotta be done appropriately. I

1:01:11

agree with the hours you need incentivizing people,

1:01:13

but there's a lot of incentive you don't

1:01:16

have to add food too much to

1:01:18

that. Ah, there's a lot of yeah that

1:01:20

have to get big. And and there's also

1:01:22

the argument you know, for instance, division pro.

1:01:25

Probably. Couldn't have in May by

1:01:27

two guys in a garage. It had

1:01:30

to have a giant company behind it

1:01:32

to invest billions of dollars over many

1:01:34

years to create something like that. So.

1:01:37

The rebounds. Go. Ahead Sir

1:01:39

gonna be a Thursday. There is a

1:01:41

reason him to have these big companies.

1:01:44

But. I think a also is very easy to

1:01:46

see when these companies are so big that they start

1:01:48

to where. They. Start

1:01:50

to own their their their customers, their customer

1:01:52

base to the point where they don't have

1:01:55

to serve the customer. This. Data.

1:01:57

Balance thing is is such a good point. First is

1:01:59

like the. But acquisitions like we can all

1:02:01

say like the U S should allow

1:02:03

these acquisitions to happen. but that would

1:02:05

disincentivize startups from building to get big

1:02:08

enough so they can use ah Sensei

1:02:10

a big tech acquisition as an exit

1:02:12

versus just having to go to Ip.

1:02:14

Oh and they're be less funding without

1:02:16

acquisitions. but you do have these roll

1:02:18

ups like to ticket master, Live Nation.

1:02:20

Rob that to they become disgusting. And.

1:02:22

That's why does this anti trust

1:02:24

world is best really lends itself

1:02:26

to nuance missed his political slogans

1:02:28

now or it's like Band Acquisitions

1:02:30

is. Dogs can attest that likes

1:02:32

to cause economic harm over to

1:02:34

overtime but be more vigilant around

1:02:37

acquisitions which and be more vigilant

1:02:39

around would say and we go

1:02:41

maintenance of monopoly. This is good.

1:02:43

And actually I think it's again looking at

1:02:45

the bright side here. United States is in

1:02:47

a moment and you end of world is

1:02:49

in a moment where a lot of this

1:02:51

anti competitive conduct I was with that are

1:02:53

like. and have ignored up until

1:02:56

now is starting to really become examined and

1:02:58

really be push back against and we actually

1:03:00

have the government that move beyond. And

1:03:02

reagan era policy and is gonna say listen if

1:03:05

you're going to egg and near use your position

1:03:07

of of big this in power. To.

1:03:09

Hurt the people. In. We're going to take

1:03:11

the side of the people here and try to push back.

1:03:14

And as the great news about what's happening with

1:03:16

the Ticket Master Live Nation and wow answer what

1:03:18

it means to be big today is very different

1:03:20

than let them to be a big company in

1:03:22

the past like that is technology companies. The reefs.

1:03:25

And to valuations. Are so

1:03:27

huge that a big company now and it

1:03:29

still bother little bit out of control. Yeah.

1:03:34

Although. I mean. The.

1:03:36

Sherman Anti Trust texts. It came about as

1:03:39

of more than one hundred years ago Because

1:03:41

and in the Gilded age, these companies are

1:03:43

getting so big and so powerful like Standard

1:03:45

Oil a Date that it became obvious they

1:03:48

had to be broken. I

1:03:50

think we are in. I'm in a New Gilded age. Softly.

1:03:54

So ah to add to ticket master is

1:03:56

no good. Very bad week. They were also

1:03:59

then hacked. And

1:04:01

about do a better guy. So good news

1:04:03

will give it didn't happen to them or

1:04:05

to I'd have a not as years more

1:04:07

than half a billion. Users.

1:04:11

Information was leaked emails, phone

1:04:13

numbers, addresses, even financial. Details.

1:04:17

I immediately changed my ticket master

1:04:19

password out of it. I want

1:04:22

the right people to gouge me

1:04:24

and and that says yeah crazy.

1:04:27

Five hundred Milan Thera customers.

1:04:30

Not. It sucks. I mean it doesn't

1:04:32

seem like they were using those conveniences

1:04:34

toes ever censored out on a very

1:04:36

the that aside for Den F, the

1:04:39

everyday users that end up getting hurt

1:04:41

and it's really it's unfortunate Emily years

1:04:43

and for my. Exact as wonder

1:04:46

why so it's the latest happens if

1:04:48

somebody hacked and the system they get

1:04:50

through all that controls, they get the

1:04:52

information and and they list that information

1:04:54

for sale on these online forums. Think

1:04:56

once called breach foreign dna be someone

1:04:58

basically dollars and says hey i have

1:05:00

is trove of information do you wanna

1:05:02

I think. This, they listed it for five

1:05:04

hundred thousand from the link. All right, Ticketmaster,

1:05:06

One point three terabytes were here. Does he

1:05:08

like my for instance to be worth more

1:05:10

than that? They had. A

1:05:13

serial murder Prime as ten cents

1:05:15

And it's come on And. And

1:05:18

exactly. And then am I just

1:05:20

wonder why that website reach for Me even

1:05:23

exists? Why is it legal to have websites

1:05:25

online where you can sell like hat. Status.

1:05:29

As a good course else, ticket sales

1:05:31

the usual https coins I sliced adenoids

1:05:33

removed for I'm not hiding some of

1:05:35

it's a dark web but dark web

1:05:38

that but. Obviously one forsman knows

1:05:40

about it new. Eyes

1:05:42

in the movies they leave at home

1:05:44

or knows about it or leave it

1:05:46

open because that's that you find out

1:05:48

who got hacked right? If. You

1:05:50

close Wilde? I mean like he wears a

1:05:52

swear of all distances. cyber happening in this

1:05:54

web. personal at the sleds. I just live

1:05:57

and breathe and just transact. Said I don't

1:05:59

get it. that my and financing thing.

1:06:03

The. Group the did this

1:06:05

claimed responsibility. And

1:06:07

we did this. Signee Hunters They're

1:06:09

called their hunting. Shiny. Dollars.

1:06:14

Because. His right, it's shiny enough, a

1:06:16

sign on our side, numbers and ninety. As

1:06:20

I write about these stories and I'm like okay

1:06:22

we know the person we know they committed xy

1:06:24

of others cyber attacks and all of those happened

1:06:26

on this forum on lake is someone some writing

1:06:28

about. It is somebody doing something about it? I

1:06:30

don't and and that it is I just don't

1:06:32

understand how it all worked well with A. One

1:06:35

of the things that happened was A and I

1:06:37

think is very common signing hunters approach to ticket

1:06:39

master First. And. Said or it

1:06:41

would be a shame if for all

1:06:43

of your information would be leaked and

1:06:45

secure. Masses apparently did want to give

1:06:47

any of their filthy lucre to sign

1:06:49

he honors so Shiny hunter said fine.

1:06:51

you'll be sorry. And. There's

1:06:54

this on an online. But.

1:06:56

Again it does It is not take him

1:06:58

as to the suffers from is now and

1:07:00

I want to add ah of us are

1:07:02

many five years ago I was that cr

1:07:04

the see our offices writing whatever i gotta

1:07:06

move that means them budget manager as I

1:07:09

don't know notification saying something along the lines

1:07:11

of like your paypal or credit card offer

1:07:13

has has been decline of and my money

1:07:15

in a minute I in their mind I

1:07:17

were ever through the day the homes i

1:07:19

wake up in the middle than as of

1:07:21

wait a minute I never sex the Equifax

1:07:24

website to see if I was a source.

1:07:26

I too am. I logged into the website

1:07:28

and it says in I put him I

1:07:30

saw sucker Know minutes as a corner record

1:07:32

you may have been impacted by them by

1:07:34

the equifax had. That was without question the

1:07:36

most stressful period of my life Having a

1:07:38

like I went to the and Y P

1:07:40

d I was of his Yonkers Police department

1:07:42

had to go affidavits I had to get

1:07:45

like also remain in what I get him.

1:07:47

Basically. Like there was no real resolution

1:07:49

viewers only some of identities of yes oh

1:07:51

yeah my my credit report have addresses that

1:07:53

I've never been to is how how to

1:07:55

dress in new If I'd never been to

1:07:57

Newark, had my dress in Newark as as

1:07:59

as. Think those who I know when like

1:08:01

I like this has me doing this I didn't

1:08:03

have likes of you know and an assistant to

1:08:06

go do the i had to go to the

1:08:08

and my to the in queens amount of our

1:08:10

city was I missed several days of work I

1:08:12

was like obviously stressed out of my mind and

1:08:14

so I do sympathize. The folks who liked now

1:08:16

are going to have to deal with this. Were

1:08:18

you able to get it all cleaned up? Ah

1:08:20

I was able to remove the fraudulent ah. Credit.

1:08:23

Card put a credit poles or whatever was

1:08:25

of them was basically would solve. That was

1:08:28

was the passage of time. Honestly times when

1:08:30

by and the credit reports is kind of

1:08:32

like you could you correct correct and you

1:08:34

fight and you send letters it's like it

1:08:36

was a real nightmare to be. Ah so

1:08:39

you are and like I was targeted so

1:08:41

the Cr like people in Dc like had

1:08:43

a way like protect myself away do read

1:08:45

a summary since of the to the folks

1:08:47

listening and watching as like freeze your credit.

1:08:50

Or it is a minor inconvenience to not

1:08:52

have your credit open so you can't ah

1:08:54

you know of his of I was gonna

1:08:56

get the T Mobile five seed while sitting

1:08:58

at the as as they tried to run

1:09:00

a credit check and if it was like

1:09:03

okay whatever spelling of i want to do

1:09:05

that I have to call experience where the

1:09:07

credit agencies to unfreeze it for like a

1:09:09

day it's then go and transact and then

1:09:11

they'll freeze it again so it's like but

1:09:13

now that it's frozen no one can get

1:09:15

oxygen, No one can get it so that

1:09:17

feels like that should be the default. It's

1:09:20

a wise. It's open any lists for a

1:09:22

long time These companies were charging you. Yes,

1:09:24

Yes, Oh yeah right. Yep, you read big.

1:09:26

you could set of for the personally don't

1:09:29

want to do freeze cause they make money

1:09:31

by selling your information yes of roses they

1:09:33

can't So you your name to credit card

1:09:35

companies to give you offers So they didn't

1:09:37

wanna do this but they were forced to.

1:09:40

Then they thought well that's fine, we'll let

1:09:42

you freeze it but it's gonna cost you

1:09:44

thirty five bucks to freeze it. Ridiculous. Finally

1:09:46

a federal law was passed the says no

1:09:49

you have to offer free. Freezing and

1:09:51

unfreezing. But I have to tell

1:09:53

you offering it is a big

1:09:55

difference between. Offering. It.

1:09:58

And actually making it past. The ball. I'm.

1:10:01

Logging in right now to my experian account

1:10:03

to set up a credit freeze. Okay welcome

1:10:06

back welcome Back! So I logged in to

1:10:08

the same as as your credit freeze thing

1:10:10

look what it says welcome Back Oh get

1:10:12

your free credit report Now I don't want

1:10:15

to critter but I'm all I know. Like

1:10:17

them in where's the cancel box? There's no

1:10:19

cancer box. I don't want us and want

1:10:21

to do a freeze Please. Someone.

1:10:23

By me that maybe I misunderstood. Let's let's

1:10:26

go back. And. And see if

1:10:28

I did the right thing. Manager freeze

1:10:30

for education The spring Manager Freeze Good

1:10:32

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1:10:34

sign in to my experience account right

1:10:36

here. look at even recognizes they also

1:10:39

hi Leo will come back is filling

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your password is great now be able

1:10:43

to unfreeze my account right. Now.

1:10:46

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1:10:48

By click this, it'll do that. Nice.

1:10:51

To have to sign it's there is no way.

1:10:54

To. Get past this so it's in our it's

1:10:56

fine. I want my credit report. I don't.

1:10:58

Know. So I submitted. A.

1:11:01

Don't show this briefly. I'm gonna just filling

1:11:03

my he as you for your social zone.

1:11:06

And so that all in says is all

1:11:08

I correct. yeah that's correct. Submit a secure

1:11:10

order us if is still working. Ah,

1:11:13

Oh hey it's a work this time

1:11:15

for three weeks of and try to

1:11:17

have a freak my credits and if

1:11:20

it every time it has sars not

1:11:22

working and will try to sell your

1:11:24

other products that sound like freezes was

1:11:26

horrible laws discomfort abroad very products they

1:11:28

sell years no credit credit freeze is

1:11:30

like the that has a law by

1:11:32

my labor to bar he said not

1:11:34

like whatever else it up calling him

1:11:36

as the only way to to do

1:11:38

it and then you have to say

1:11:40

rep yeah represent us it's and they

1:11:42

were and I've added. Some nasty little it

1:11:44

isn't except it's illegal. Yeah is Blake I'm

1:11:46

so sorry that happened. Soon as I am

1:11:48

I going and I just saw. Thankfully I

1:11:51

had a job that was like. Okay

1:11:53

with me taking time off the like sword the

1:11:55

what if I worked somewhere where they were not

1:11:58

as as understanding of whatever you it. The

1:12:00

repairs dignity I am I phones legally

1:12:02

are pseudo allies. Well I mean that's

1:12:04

I did to be skysails like falling

1:12:06

whatever works at I don't own any

1:12:08

another company that I don't know her

1:12:10

by as a huge I was like

1:12:12

so like shaken by their problems like

1:12:14

lightsaber his his allow the user saints

1:12:16

and name is Mary this America They

1:12:18

tell me the. Surface.

1:12:21

A lot worse than losing money on

1:12:23

beyond, say, resell. That's pretty dress you

1:12:25

though. And what is your parents say

1:12:27

when you told them that you're in

1:12:29

fact, That lost money on the sake

1:12:31

of your it. Away from the

1:12:34

point is that it was gonna be

1:12:36

a horse that they bet on like

1:12:38

didn't win the race. We violated our

1:12:40

moral principles to allow our daughter to

1:12:42

make some money own. This is what

1:12:44

we did. I tell you.

1:12:48

I mean it when when I was like

1:12:50

I could buy us tickets like we all

1:12:52

do it together I know my son does

1:12:54

is over time so the i'm gonna get

1:12:57

to the best nursing home ever watched yeah

1:12:59

exactly is a flexible more thing on the

1:13:01

ticket master that came to mind as I

1:13:03

think that for each was i'm not just

1:13:05

ticketmaster with them were upstream. Company called

1:13:07

Snowflake. Yeah, it is.

1:13:09

Well, they blame snowflakes. For.

1:13:12

The breeds. But. It was

1:13:14

time Master Deva. Yeah, so

1:13:16

is this problem where these companies rely

1:13:18

on other companies for the hearts of

1:13:20

their soft software supply chain? and so

1:13:23

there are just multiple failure points that

1:13:25

weird as consumers completely unaware of. I

1:13:27

mean every single software transaction they have

1:13:29

has to have controls. and so these

1:13:31

hackers basically just went through all these

1:13:33

hoops.ticks on a like that mother lode

1:13:35

company that fender that providing some software

1:13:37

service to tons of company. And Ticketmaster

1:13:39

being one of them. so I'm we'll see.

1:13:41

Hopefully no other big companies also got hacked

1:13:43

through this. but that that scares me a

1:13:46

little that it's sick Not only to a

1:13:48

half the know what Ticket Masters doing so

1:13:50

makes her I'm face but it's every single

1:13:52

vendor that they work. With also has x

1:13:55

some as either so it's really tricky

1:13:57

or the you remember the oh of

1:13:59

the colonial. Klein. Hack.

1:14:01

Were the Colonial pipeline which is a

1:14:03

big oil supply pipeline for the Eastern

1:14:06

Seaboard had a shut down because ransom

1:14:08

where folks got in their operations computers

1:14:10

how they get in through the H

1:14:12

back contractors a H B a C

1:14:15

contractor who was putting in this and

1:14:17

and Colonial had apparently allowed them Axis

1:14:19

I think that was that the one

1:14:21

that was a tree as the or

1:14:24

was colonial the ones maybe clone. He

1:14:26

was the one where they had a

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Vpn an employee left and they never

1:14:30

change. The employees packs for his. Downfalls,

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1:14:36

series is always stupid a terrorist

1:14:38

one of the other The Cac

1:14:40

was one the as the employee

1:14:43

vpn was another. As

1:14:46

long as we're talking, I guess we

1:14:48

should mention that the the Internet Archive

1:14:50

has been under de dos for days.

1:14:52

What kind of evil son of a

1:14:54

gun? with the texts Or the Internet

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Archive in the way back machine or

1:14:58

the started last week. As

1:15:00

since. The attacks began last Sunday. Tens.

1:15:03

Of thousands of fake information requests

1:15:05

per second were launched against it

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which we are basically set it

1:15:09

down. You

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know Bruce to kill A fan of

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Internet Archive said of our patrons around

1:15:18

the globe think this lady situation is

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upsetting. They should be very worried about.

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with the publishing and recording industries have

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in mind I think they're turn his

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thread is labor entirely and hobble all

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libraries everywhere We are resisting the these

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us attack we appreciate. Oh support pushing

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back and the. If. You're not

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yet a donor. Ads use this as an excuse to

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tell people donate to the Internet Archive because it is

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a great. Things. They are doing.

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Will soon I We got an

1:15:45

Ultrasonic a coffee to talk about

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free income tax. ah and and

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how Tic toc. Is. Being

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weaponized in the Twenty Twenty

1:15:53

Four presidential election. All. Of

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that coming up with her. Great panel.

1:15:58

Alex Kantrowitz Big technology. Dot

1:16:00

Com So great to have you ah,

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beer and and always love have any

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so many great ways to make coffee

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it's immediately like these right and doesn't

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hurt his. I have. At

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least seven ways to make coffee in my

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house. Or. Because everything that comes out

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I buy another one. I have a spreads so I

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have a I said. I was recently cleaning

1:20:01

up cupboards, And I found. That.

1:20:03

I have like five arrow presses. I don't know why.

1:20:05

I just keep by and allow the team I. I

1:20:08

just like i don't you ever use more than

1:20:10

one of the time but I for some reason

1:20:12

I'm all these arab presses and then I have

1:20:14

gripped by have a boat oh my have the.

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Molina thing that you put on the stove. Ah

1:20:20

I have a for while I had with

1:20:22

a a a cold coffee making system with

1:20:25

tubes and pipes and all that stuff Abbott

1:20:27

some a suit looked like had a meth

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lab the my apartments I had a get

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rich as get rid of the i don't

1:20:34

want to come under undo suspicions I did

1:20:36

get rid of them are blue bottle yeah.

1:20:39

Blue. Bottles bet that's all you need. Never

1:20:42

tried mushroom coffee I have and I regretted it.

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Do you like must? really? Is that what you

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do? do? Drink them. Oh no,

1:20:48

definitely not in a regular basis. but I tried

1:20:50

it and I didn't regret. It so

1:20:53

I ah. I. Think we

1:20:55

had somebody want to be an advertiser. They kept

1:20:57

sending me mushroom coffee. And

1:20:59

I eventually I snuck it. You know,

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Father Rubber Balancer John our our digital

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desert one of our contributors. He's at

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the Vatican. he was going. who's going

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home to the Vatican's I snuck into

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his suitcase. Assess

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Assess. The you're

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going to hell is going to allow. He

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was not happy here. All my servants and

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how were everywhere you look so the to

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be good for you but I like coffee

1:21:23

and my coffee that's all I can say.

1:21:27

You can and his people go

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had looked like they are coffee

1:21:31

drinkers. we are these Australian or

1:21:33

phases and you my eyes are

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rocked They are at their drinking

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a lot of coffee their Australian

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scientists chemical engineers are they took

1:21:42

a Australian espresso machine ironically the

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same when we have here in

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the studio and them and platter

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with transducer. Doesn't sound

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waves into the ground. coffee. Ah,

1:21:54

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Vibrates, Okay,

1:21:59

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The Guardian. In the regular coffee

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making process, water extracts flavor from

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the outside. Of. A Kafkaesque

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second inside. The house right

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the hotter the one of the Sas. This

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happens if you leave the coffee and for

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long enough you might expect some of the

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slavers from the middle of the coffee grounds

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for by that time. You're. Gonna have

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do something Very says call over

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extraction and he get too many

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of the unfavorable bitter acidic flavors

1:22:27

and that ruins the coffee says

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of fine balance the ultrasonic message.

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Into the Mr. It's tiny

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bubbles into the water. When

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they implode, they make a

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mini shock wave that can

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pierce the inside the coffee

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grounds. In. A phenomenon

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called acoustic cavitation. Now

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I want to try it now. You know how much would

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you pay? Nothing the

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liquid as much darker than the caramel

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kramer of an espresso. According.

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powerful. Aromatic, acidic, rich,

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and viscous. But. Unlike in

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a spreads so it's never bitter of hearts.

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able to buy this. Cr reviews coffee

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to review it is but least commercially.

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I saw the coffee I am ah

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they've now can all sit into a

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an espresso machine. They.

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Are they're trying to commercialize it? Maybe

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some day coming soon if ever been

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date Starbucks for awhile. Had is like

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weird. Seeing. Where they would

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put the grounds that they had dismissed or yeah

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that ring was pretty good was only for something

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just how was also to they still do that

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I just I may still have that and there's

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like select located next locations. For

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this on, I just keep imagining a i put

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like that, some coffee beans and a nightclub and

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it's. It's with it

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at that, Same as as it turns out, that's

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how they got the idea. Spread.

1:23:57

In a. The

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new thing you've heard of

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debunking misinformation. Washington Post says.

1:24:05

That. A thing is pre bunking. It

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turns as being used effectively around

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the world. lex in officials are

1:24:13

adopting pre bunking campaigns to kind

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of warn people you're gonna see

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this. Just. Be aware.

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It's it's. not real. In.

1:24:23

The run up to next month's

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you election for example, Google and

1:24:27

partner organizations, or blanketing millions of

1:24:30

voters according the Washington Post with

1:24:32

colorful cartoon ads. On Youtube,

1:24:34

Facebook, and Instagram. They. Teach

1:24:37

Com and tactics used to

1:24:39

propagate lies and rumors. One.

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Fifty Second animation features of fake

1:24:44

news campaign in which visiting tourists.

1:24:47

Are. Blamed for a litter crisis. What?

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Was that on the airplane? Owner National

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Trash. Or

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trash. Below, That's true unless

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emily world was delayed on

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the ground for five hours

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right yesterday. Tell.

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was delayed on United for five hours and

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we were on the terminal during that time.

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but there are multiple. Issues that the plane

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for for of those hours and the

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fifth hour it was because once the

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plane arrived at the gate they found

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a bunch of trash honor and kept

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referring to it as international trash and

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cause of the plane came from ah

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Japan and so apparently there are rules

1:25:29

on types of like flight attendants are

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cleanup crews that can touch international travelers.

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international. Trash coming through the airport

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at the Answer is at our

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our Senator Wyden said earlier today

1:25:42

and keep. The. Doors losing their

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minds and then they really go. The

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beverage cards aren't stocks either. We were

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like we don't need beverages to Skyline

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and for us least a senseless as

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well. That's what we're doing with pre

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bumpkins. Were getting rid of the internet,

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a literally an example from

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Google about a seek news

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campaign were visiting tourists or

1:26:08

blame for a litter crisis.

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The idea is to educate

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voters about scapegoating. A.

1:26:15

Disinformation technique. Their places unwarranted blame for

1:26:17

problem on a single person or groups.

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Like. International. Traveling. Arguments

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That video I clicked and I was

1:26:25

a little confused by it. didn't it

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didn't the weather are still around in

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the transit know he just as a

1:26:31

very educational appropriate video that I thought

1:26:33

maybe could be shown in in school

1:26:35

or less The same as wants together.

1:26:38

Skate. I like that they're modeling

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this after that are campaign for vaccines

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my dear that we've been attacked, Minutes

1:26:44

on Third achieves access to me as

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as the educational video The said title

1:26:48

of this video which is unlisted. But.

1:26:51

Somehow the was it was

1:26:53

founded. scapegoating spot, it spits.

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That's what's to come. At

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risk of many policemen online.

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Ones as it used to manipulate

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opinions of unemployment and women use.

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This is gonna be shown to

1:27:08

the right. So why is my

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second sentence woman speaking English with

1:27:12

it with the euro trash accent

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is that to make them feel

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more comfortable? I don't understand. Would.

1:27:19

International. Trashes those very hard.

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The other systems such as

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supplementary More Than Nine So

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many jokes about international transfer

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zone. For. The Mister Sampras Destroying of.

1:27:32

He has a son to watch out for.

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An individual or group is blamed

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for complex is. Someone

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responsible for the home for them. And

1:27:44

other possible causes are not install.

1:27:49

To days easier than ever to

1:27:51

sam this information online without knowing

1:27:53

spotting the signs in helpless stop

1:27:55

the spread states to see. Got

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to visit. Got to be a parody.

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This comes from Google Jigsaw Moons had

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this is the jigsaw was the one

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of their of. Moonshot, Companies

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either x companies. What?

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Tix or oh yeah that was to to

1:28:14

to prove to stop international scapegoating I believe.

1:28:17

In it's in conjunction with the

1:28:19

Bbc, Libraries Without Borders and Debating

1:28:21

Europe. Has is

1:28:23

weird. Or

1:28:25

it will made. It may be prebon weird. Prebon.

1:28:28

thing. And I know I do think I wish

1:28:30

people were more educated sometimes on the tactics that

1:28:33

happen on line and a how. What We

1:28:35

see our opinions kind of being manipulated. So

1:28:37

I kind of like that they're teaching people

1:28:39

how the internet works and I think that's

1:28:42

really important. Because the way algorithm

1:28:44

speed information to people it's like

1:28:46

so confidently presented but who knows

1:28:48

how that contact got there and

1:28:50

Oliver opinions I hardly. Even our own. That

1:28:52

thing is that we see online because who knows where it

1:28:54

comes from. That I feel like this says this campaign is

1:28:56

trying to. Let people know about some of

1:28:59

those tactics and I think that's good. I

1:29:01

just think. It's a straightforward as Kiss on video. I

1:29:03

don't. Really know about the new term

1:29:05

preventing? That would wouldn't says one thing.

1:29:07

work in the U should we be doing this?

1:29:10

Right now we're headed into election were there will

1:29:12

be. Misinformation. And supplies

1:29:15

I live in a swing say for the

1:29:17

first summer lower your seen a lot I'm

1:29:19

seeing ads on two balls it's it's all

1:29:21

a super pacs or whatever. It's like broke

1:29:23

the campaign itself with sites. will this candidates

1:29:25

really good this in Israel and under sitting

1:29:27

there I'm like i i want to get

1:29:30

off this planet like it as own like

1:29:32

it so condescending like all of this way

1:29:34

the idea that these these pre bunking experts

1:29:36

they work for them oh my goodness or

1:29:38

not his own self would put allow. I

1:29:40

don't really get a grip the intent but

1:29:42

the i think. The result of a lot

1:29:45

of this is to alienate people so much

1:29:47

they just don't participate. The just don't vote

1:29:49

or or or like this like. Makes

1:29:52

you feel cynical the Op's way as to

1:29:54

how dare you like like tell me like

1:29:57

had a think it's like it solidifies

1:29:59

your position. Or annoys you so

1:30:01

much you go screw them on. Plus can

1:30:03

I just whatever? Like I'm gonna go grill

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like I don't have thought about going to

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go girl yeah, which is always the right

1:30:09

answer to my i mean I'm increasingly landing

1:30:11

on or barbecue less that I'm owning, increasingly

1:30:13

frustrated with the people who are going to

1:30:15

Krell and. Also decided that conspiracy theories the

1:30:17

whole time like wanna know what that is

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price. On Twitter that as and

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grittier. Put

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this effort in and they just ten until. I

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have been the them down and it's. Rampant.

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A metal scene and and site.is it feels

1:30:31

like everybody you talk to his if a

1:30:33

well maybe Smi actually I am paying attention.

1:30:36

But. No one else is and they

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have all sorts of crazy notions. Like.

1:30:40

That could easily be free been er

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de bont. But. Them a very. Very

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key line. and that articles that Google is

1:30:48

not trying. this mean I'd states that opens

1:30:50

one such a campaign. United States. So.

1:30:53

What are they wouldn't really think about this old

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prebon didn't sing of the one try of years

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only worsened about eyes. Or

1:31:01

it doesn't work. Some with Nicholas. I'm out

1:31:03

there grow and it doesn't work with domestic

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terrorists as well. Get ready! Because of the

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Trump campaign has now joined Tic Toc. Ah,

1:31:11

what's really interesting me about this is you

1:31:13

remember You may remember I think nobody remembers

1:31:15

four years ago, but you may remember. That

1:31:18

President Trump was going to ban tic

1:31:20

Toc That was very much like a

1:31:23

full court press. We're going to get

1:31:25

rid of tic tac. The scared Tic

1:31:27

Tac so much the and issue the

1:31:29

Texas Plan which was basically take American

1:31:32

tic toc. Account information and

1:31:34

store it in an Oracle database

1:31:36

in Texas. So. Everybody should

1:31:39

feel better about that. Tic

1:31:41

Tac by the way, says before the

1:31:44

Federal government banned them because they are,

1:31:46

By the way, the clock is ticking.

1:31:48

They have until the day before inauguration.

1:31:50

Weirdly enough, Tix. Road

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will will be either sold or out

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of business. January. nineteen

1:31:57

twenty twenty five one day before nine

1:32:00

or an appeal. And

1:32:02

then, well, but then the president, he can give him three

1:32:05

more months if he feels like whoever

1:32:07

the president is at that time, if he feels

1:32:09

like, oh, they're working hard to do

1:32:11

this, they're going to have a buyer in three months. Yes,

1:32:13

of course. And they are, they went to court to try

1:32:15

to stop it. I don't know if that'll work or not.

1:32:18

Meanwhile. They get kicked

1:32:20

off enough litigation that they already delayed it.

1:32:22

They think, but just by litigating it, they delayed

1:32:25

it. Yeah. Just by putting their

1:32:27

thing on the table, being like, we're fighting this. Now

1:32:29

they have to process that. Yeah.

1:32:32

Well, so look, I should

1:32:34

say, I should always disclaim upfront that

1:32:36

my son is a TikTok star. His

1:32:38

entire career is based on

1:32:41

the two and a half million people who follow him

1:32:43

on TikTok as a chef. He's been smart.

1:32:45

He took it to Instagram. He has a million and

1:32:47

a half there. All of this.

1:32:51

So I personally see very clearly

1:32:54

the value of TikTok for

1:32:56

American, young American

1:32:59

entrepreneurs. There's an interesting

1:33:01

story about a book, a

1:33:04

self published book, The Shadow

1:33:06

Work Journal. This is from the

1:33:08

New York Times that became a bestseller

1:33:12

because of TikTok. And

1:33:14

even the author, wasn't because of the author. It

1:33:17

was because somebody else on TikTok started to

1:33:19

push it. He

1:33:22

made a video that got 58 million views. So

1:33:26

much so he began teaching classes, talked

1:33:28

about the journal so much people

1:33:31

thought he wrote it. He said, no, no,

1:33:33

I didn't write it. I just, I just like it. He's

1:33:35

turned it into a huge bestseller. The author is a

1:33:38

25 year old from Texas with

1:33:41

a background in marketing. She self published in 2021. She's

1:33:45

now the self-help queen of TikTok,

1:33:48

sold more than seven, more than a million

1:33:50

copies, more than 700,000 of them

1:33:52

through the TikTok shop, which

1:33:55

means that the influencers, like the guy

1:33:57

who first brought this to people's attention,

1:33:59

got a commission, TikTok got

1:34:01

a commission. But believe me, the

1:34:04

author is not unhappy. She sold a million

1:34:06

copies. This is a self-published

1:34:08

book that TikTok put on the map,

1:34:10

showing the power of TikTok. And

1:34:13

so I'm very much pro-TikTok against

1:34:15

the ban, except I'm

1:34:19

now really worried because Biden

1:34:22

has a TikTok account. Trump

1:34:24

has a TikTok account. And

1:34:26

here's the interesting thing. TikTok,

1:34:28

Biden signed the bill

1:34:31

to put TikTok out of business. So

1:34:34

TikTok approached the Trump campaign and said,

1:34:36

you know, two to

1:34:39

one, there were more

1:34:41

pro-Trump TikTok accounts

1:34:43

than pro-Biden TikTok accounts by two to

1:34:46

one. So they said, you ought

1:34:48

to have a TikTok account.

1:34:50

So they made one. Now

1:34:53

I'm worried that it's not the Chinese influence.

1:34:56

The TikTok acting in their own self-interest

1:34:59

is now creating a

1:35:02

propaganda platform for Trump.

1:35:06

Well, I feel like Trump is very, I read

1:35:08

about EVs as we've talked about and Trump

1:35:10

rails against them. Yeah. He now doesn't want

1:35:12

any EVs in the US. Yeah. He says,

1:35:15

oh, EVs are just making China rich and

1:35:17

I'm not sure why TikTok is any different. I

1:35:19

find him selective in his

1:35:21

policies. He's turned around because Jeff Yass,

1:35:23

one of the big Republican donors, owns

1:35:25

15% of ByteDance and

1:35:28

now Yass has not given any money to Trump, but

1:35:31

Yass has a lot of money to give to Trump.

1:35:33

And I think Trump is courting Yass by

1:35:35

saying, oh, no, no, TikTok's great. TikTok's

1:35:38

courting Trump in November, according to

1:35:40

TikTok officials, since November,

1:35:42

there have been twice as much pro-Trump

1:35:44

content as pro-Biden content on the platform. According

1:35:48

to internal TikTok, this is all from Puck. News.

1:35:51

According to internal TikTok analysis,

1:35:54

videos tagged Trump 2024 have generated

1:35:57

427 million likes and 6.5 million. billion

1:36:00

views compared to a tenth of

1:36:02

that for Biden 2024. But

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