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This week with George Stephanopoulos

0:32

starts right now. The

0:34

first debate. Joe

0:39

Biden and Donald Trump prepare for

0:41

an historic rematch. I'm not

0:43

underestimating him. I assume he's going to

0:45

be a worthy debater. With new rules

0:48

after the chaos four years ago.

0:50

All right, gentlemen. You're right. Which was heavily affected by

0:52

people. You're not going to be able to show them

0:54

off. This morning what's at

0:56

stake and what to expect

0:59

in this unprecedented moment. Presidential

1:01

historians John Meacham and Doris

1:03

Kearns Goodwin plus pollster Frank

1:06

Lunt's preview Thursday showdown. Policy

1:09

push. I refuse to believe

1:11

that to secure our border we have to

1:14

walk away from being an American. President

1:16

Biden unveils new immigration protections

1:18

as the battle over the

1:20

border continues. I will restore

1:23

the sovereign borders of the United States

1:25

of America. The latest on

1:27

that and response from Democratic

1:29

Senator Elizabeth Warren. Plus analysis

1:31

from our powerhouse roundtable. And.

1:35

It's extremely hot outside. It's been

1:38

like torture in here. Summer

1:40

kicks off with record heat

1:42

floods and deadly wildfires. Is

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this the new normal? Science

1:47

educator Bill Nye on

1:49

extreme weather scorching America.

1:54

From ABC News it's this

1:56

week. Here now Martha Raddatz.

10:00

in the arm and be jacked up before the debate? Is

10:02

that what has you worried? Well,

10:05

no, it's just how they treat each other.

10:07

Is it with respect or contempt? Is

10:10

it wanting to listen and learn, or

10:12

is it wanting to abuse and attack?

10:15

And Donald Trump is the best at

10:17

it. He is good at tearing apart

10:19

his opponent. The question and the

10:21

thing I'm going to be watching for is how

10:23

Joe Biden responds, because don't forget, it

10:26

was Joe Biden who said to Donald Trump, would

10:28

you just shut up? And

10:30

the idea that you say that to a

10:32

president of the United States in the national

10:34

debate, that coarseness divides and

10:37

undermines this sense of

10:39

democracy being civilized and

10:41

disciplined. And I just hope that

10:44

both candidates remember that there

10:46

actually are some things more important than an

10:48

election the next

10:50

generation. And Doris, I'd like

10:52

you to look back on the history of

10:54

debates. I know your book is about the

10:57

60s, and that's when they

10:59

began. Absolutely.

11:02

In fact, I think maybe this debate, because

11:04

of the rules that there's no interruptions, the

11:06

mic will be turned off, there's no audience,

11:08

it'll look hopefully more like it did in

11:11

1960. I mean, what

11:13

I think about when I think about that debate

11:15

is like Biden, JFK prepared for

11:17

days. He knew that he was the one who

11:19

was not experienced. In fact, the worry in the

11:21

1960 debate for JFK was

11:24

he was too young, he was too inexperienced.

11:26

So just being up there on the stage

11:28

with the vice president gave him a certain

11:30

kind of stature. In the same

11:32

way, Nixon thought he was the far better

11:35

debater. He didn't need to prepare that he

11:37

could just get up there because his campaign

11:39

rhetoric. But then, of course, he didn't prepare

11:42

how he looked. And there was a sense

11:44

of vitality of JFK looking tanned and Nixon

11:46

looking pasty and awkward somehow and lacking confidence.

11:49

And people thought, well, it didn't really matter.

11:51

They debated each other, and the points were

11:53

about equal. But something happened. Something happened because

11:56

JFK was seen on that screen. The next

11:58

day, the crowds were enormous. They

12:00

had quadrupled just by seeing him on television.

12:02

This was, of course, the first televised debate.

12:05

But the fun thing I remember, my husband

12:07

remembers, he was so excited. He was in

12:09

his 20s, and he got on the plane

12:11

afterward, and JFK was having tomato soup and

12:13

beer to relax. And they were

12:15

just going over the debate analytically. When could I

12:17

have done better? When did I not do so

12:19

well? And suddenly, Dick popped up and he said,

12:21

we won. We won. The election

12:23

is over. And JFK, more experienced, said to him, oh,

12:25

no, we've got a lot more to go. We've got

12:27

to get to sleep. There's next week and the week

12:29

after. And that'll be true of this debate, too.

12:32

So much will come after this. But

12:34

what lessons do you think Biden

12:36

and Trump have learned? You heard

12:38

how worried Frank is about this.

12:41

How much do you think things will

12:43

change in this debate? I

12:47

really think the rules are going to make it easier

12:49

for things to change. It may

12:51

actually benefit Trump because he can't interrupt, because

12:53

the mic will be turned off and he

12:56

might appear reasonable. And I think

12:58

at the same time, Biden has to be

13:00

aware of the importance of vitality, physical strength,

13:02

and mental strength for both of them. I

13:05

mean, it's so crazy that we worried about

13:07

youth in 1960 and now we're worried about

13:09

age in 2024. But

13:11

I think the rules were smart. America

13:14

lost, just as Frank said in that last debate

13:16

in 2020. And it

13:18

was as if neither party won. And we've got to

13:20

get back to a civilized debate. This is what our

13:22

country's got to be about. We've got to learn about

13:24

the character of these characters. But

13:27

John, I want to go to you. As we said,

13:29

you have informally been advising President Biden.

13:31

It was his proposal to change the

13:34

rules, early debate, muted mics, no audience.

13:36

How big a difference do you think

13:38

that will make? I

13:42

think it'll be huge because it

13:44

actually what President Biden's done is

13:46

he has successfully childproofed the debate

13:48

stage for former

13:52

President Trump, who is

13:54

responsible for this

13:56

uncivil tone on the stage. Let's

13:58

be very clear here. This

14:00

is not a both sides issue. Martha,

14:03

you have moderated debates with President

14:05

Biden, Vice President Biden in them.

14:09

There has been, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan

14:11

pointed out, we have defined deviancy

14:14

down. It's true,

14:16

but that is not President Biden's

14:18

fault. And so I think

14:21

what he has done is rendered a

14:23

public service, he and his team, in

14:26

bringing some constraints to the

14:28

debate to actually allow there

14:30

to be a conversation that

14:32

is not simply performative. American

14:35

democracy is not a reality

14:37

show. And

14:39

Donald Trump has treated it that way

14:42

for almost 10

14:44

years now. So let's not kid

14:46

ourselves here. This is a

14:49

vital election. Both

14:51

sides are not equally at fault.

14:55

President Biden seems to me

14:57

what he has to do is show

15:00

people that he is

15:02

fully in command, which I

15:04

believe him to be, and

15:06

remind us that there

15:09

is a way in which the

15:12

presidency should operate that is

15:14

at once dignified

15:16

and decent and

15:18

delivers for the American people. I

15:20

think I know the answer to your next question

15:22

then. I know you're

15:25

advising Biden, but if you were advising Trump,

15:27

what would you say? He needs independence. This

15:29

is about getting votes. He needs moderates, but

15:31

he is a hard guy to moderate. So

15:34

what would you say? I

15:36

think that may win the understatement of

15:39

the week award. Donald

15:41

Trump is hard to moderate. I

15:43

don't think President Trump would welcome my

15:45

counsel, but I think

15:47

you just answered the question. If

15:51

he can begin to show that

15:55

perhaps his illiberal,

15:58

anti-democratic impulses... are

16:01

in fact in check, then perhaps that

16:03

reaches people. I

16:05

have to say, look, I'm not a Democrat, I'm

16:07

not a Republican, I have voted for candidates of

16:09

both parties. I have a personal,

16:13

as does everyone here, devotion

16:17

to, if I may, the

16:19

Constitution, the constitutional order that

16:21

Doris has written about so

16:23

beautifully for so long. That's

16:26

what's at stake here. It's

16:29

not just a set of policies

16:31

here and policy there. This is

16:34

not about marginal tax rates at

16:37

this point. It's about

16:40

which vision of America, and a vision of

16:42

America where we are in fact pursuing a

16:44

more perfect union, or

16:46

is it about conceding that one party, one

16:49

interest, one

16:52

man, should be in

16:55

control of everything? And

16:57

it's not a choice that

16:59

we faced before. John,

17:01

I- So let's be very clear.

17:03

We're running out of time a little bit, and I wanna

17:05

get to what will obviously be

17:08

a big elephant in the room. And

17:10

Frank, I wanna start with you, age. That

17:13

is a key thing at this debate for both

17:16

of them. Well,

17:19

it is, and the key is,

17:21

does Biden demonstrate that he's got

17:24

the enthusiasm, the commitment for the next four

17:26

years? Because in the end, presidential debates aren't

17:28

just about what happened over the last four

17:31

years, it's what's gonna happen over the next

17:33

four years. But I think it's very dangerous,

17:35

and I'm not a historian. I'm only a

17:38

pollster, but my job is to listen

17:40

to the American people. And

17:42

I think that they are looking for

17:44

the individual who's going to improve their

17:46

quality of life, who's gonna

17:49

address issues, particularly affordability

17:52

and immigration, and they

17:54

wanna know that they've got someone who's

17:56

on the job 24 seven for them. So

17:59

for us to define, I don't believe

18:01

that's accurate. Voters are going to come to

18:03

a very different conclusion than the pundits. What

18:06

I'm afraid of is that voters

18:08

see one thing on Thursday night,

18:11

and us pundits see something completely

18:13

different, enhancing that division,

18:16

that frustration, that feeling that our democracy is

18:19

coming apart. Okay, I want to thank

18:21

all of you, and we will all be

18:23

watching, and we'll talk to you afterwards. Be

18:26

sure to tune in Thursday evening for special

18:28

coverage of the first presidential debate. I'll

18:30

join David Muir and our entire political team

18:33

starting at 8 p.m. Eastern for the ABC News special

18:37

Race for the White House, followed by the CNN presidential

18:40

debate simulcast right here on

18:42

ABC. And we should note

18:44

that ABC will host the second presidential

18:46

debate on September 10th, moderated

18:49

by David Muir and Lindsay Davis. Up

18:52

next, President Biden takes new action on immigration.

18:54

We'll talk to Senator Elizabeth Warren about that.

18:56

And the latest from the campaign trail. We're

18:59

back in two minutes. MUSIC

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A big pivot this week

20:08

on immigration. The president taking

20:10

executive action that could potentially

20:13

give half a million migrants

20:15

in the country illegally citizenship.

20:17

It came after his decision

20:19

just weeks ago to significantly

20:21

limit asylum claimed at the

20:23

border. ABC's Matt Rivers has the

20:25

details. This

20:27

week, President Biden at the White House

20:30

taking steps to address one of the

20:32

election's biggest issues, immigration, announcing sweeping protections

20:34

for half a million undocumented immigrants. For

20:37

those wives or husbands and their children

20:39

who have lived in America for a

20:41

decade or more but are undocumented, this

20:44

action will allow them to file a

20:46

paperwork for legal status in the United

20:48

States, allow them to work

20:50

while they remain with their families

20:53

in the United States. In battleground

20:55

Wisconsin, the site of next month's

20:57

Republican National Convention, former President Trump

20:59

attacking Biden's move. Under this program,

21:02

a deluge of illegals will

21:04

be given immediate green cards and put

21:06

on the fast track to rapid citizenship.

21:09

Instead, pitching a different approach to

21:11

solving the nation's immigration crisis. Our

21:14

country is under invasion. We should

21:16

not be talking amnesty. We should

21:19

be talking about stopping the invasion

21:21

instead. While Biden's announcement provides new

21:23

protections for immigrants already living in

21:26

the US, it comes just two

21:28

weeks after a separate executive order

21:30

that severely limited asylum claims

21:32

for those looking to enter the

21:34

country. Today, I'm announcing actions to

21:36

bar migrants who cross

21:38

our southern border unlawfully from

21:41

receiving asylum. Both orders

21:43

come as Biden tries to shore up

21:45

one of his biggest electoral weaknesses. A

21:48

recent ABC News Ipsos poll found voters

21:50

trust Donald Trump to handle immigration more

21:52

than Biden by 17 points. The

21:56

president blaming his Republican rival for

21:58

sinking the deal a bipartisan... group

22:00

of senators hammered out earlier this year.

22:02

It was the strongest border security agreement

22:05

in decades. But then

22:07

Republicans in Congress, not all, walked away from it.

22:11

Why? Because Donald Trump

22:13

told them to. For this week,

22:16

Matt Rivers, ABC News. Our

22:19

thanks to Matt. I'm joined now by

22:21

Senator Elizabeth Warren, a member of the

22:23

Biden Campaign's National Advisory Board. Good

22:26

morning, Senator Warren. You

22:28

were harshly critical of the president's actions earlier

22:30

this month on the border. This

22:33

move, you have lauded him. So

22:36

does that make you less concerned

22:38

about asylum restrictions? Look, we have

22:41

a real problem. And

22:43

we need security at the border. We

22:46

need financial support for all of the

22:48

places that are now housing migrants and

22:51

supporting them. And

22:53

we need a pathway to citizenship for people who

22:55

are here, for

22:58

spouses, for dreamers, for

23:00

essential workers, for people

23:02

who serve in our military, for

23:05

people who come to school here and want to

23:07

help make this a stronger country. We

23:09

need all three pieces. And the

23:11

only way we get those is

23:13

through Congress and through negotiation. Right

23:16

now, Joe Biden is using the tools

23:18

available to him to try to do

23:20

as much as he can. But

23:23

keep in mind, there was a deal that

23:25

had been hammered out. In my

23:27

view, it only had part of what

23:29

was necessary, but it was a bipartisan

23:31

deal. And we were just two

23:33

days short of voting on it when

23:36

Donald Trump said no and

23:38

the Republicans walked away. Senator...

23:40

And the reason Donald Trump said no was

23:42

because he thought it would help him in

23:45

the election if he could stir up... Senator,

23:47

let's talk about... ...and chaos... Let's

23:50

talk about President Biden. I know he

23:52

wanted that immigration bill to pass, that

23:54

bipartisan, but there have been more than

23:56

6.9 million apprehensions...

23:59

at the southern border. Thus far,

24:02

in Biden's term, there were just over

24:04

2 million in Donald

24:07

Trump's entire term. What

24:09

did the president do wrong? Now,

24:12

this isn't about what the president did

24:14

wrong. Remember, on the very

24:16

first day that he was sworn into

24:18

office, President Biden

24:21

asked Congress both

24:23

for the resources and

24:25

for comprehensive immigration reform.

24:28

The Republicans blocked it, blocked it,

24:30

blocked it, blocked it. Donald

24:33

Trump didn't have that either, Senator. He

24:35

didn't have that either, and there were

24:37

2 million during his entire term. Until

24:39

last fall, the president

24:41

tries to deal with the problem that

24:43

is presented to him. He can't deal

24:45

with it if Congress and the Republicans

24:48

continue to block him. And

24:50

so the president is using the tools

24:52

available to him, both to

24:54

create border security, but he

24:56

doesn't have the resources because

24:58

the Republicans are blocking access.

25:00

But he is president. Understood.

25:03

I do think you've made your point.

25:05

But poll after poll, as Matt

25:07

Rivers just pointed out, say that

25:10

this is a very weak poll

25:12

number for President Biden. Trump surpasses

25:14

him by 17 points

25:17

in trust and working the

25:19

border. I understand

25:21

that. And I understand that

25:23

the president is doing what he can with

25:25

the resources available to him. But

25:28

you know as well as I

25:30

do that he can't manufacture more

25:32

judges. He can't manufacture more guards

25:35

if Congress doesn't give him the resources

25:37

to do that. The

25:39

president is out there doing everything he

25:41

can, not just at

25:43

the border, but overall for families. And

25:46

the action he took in this last week

25:49

is exactly Joe Biden being Joe

25:51

Biden. Think for just a minute about

25:53

what it means for half a million

25:55

families that little kids go off to

25:57

school in the morning have

26:00

to worry about whether or not mom or

26:02

dad is still going to be part of

26:04

their family when they get home. And what

26:07

about the border that you were so

26:09

concerned about a couple of weeks ago?

26:11

The first question I ask you, are you less concerned now?

26:14

No. I am concerned about

26:17

what's happening at the border, and

26:19

I am concerned that the president,

26:21

because of Donald Trump and the

26:23

Republicans, does not have the resources

26:25

that he needs in

26:27

order to be able to provide

26:29

as much help at the border.

26:31

He's doing what he can with

26:33

the resources he has available. For

26:36

me, this is about the contrast between the two.

26:39

Donald Trump has said, block congressional

26:41

action because he wants more chaos

26:43

at the border. He

26:45

wants as much division as possible in

26:48

this country. He wants to turn us

26:50

against immigrants who are here, who help

26:52

support this country, who make it stronger.

26:55

Donald Trump is doing everything he

26:57

can to advance Donald Trump and

26:59

to undercut the United States of

27:01

America. Okay, Senator, I want to-

27:03

So Biden is taking the resources

27:05

available and trying to keep our

27:07

nation knitted together and trying to

27:09

give us border security and a

27:11

pathway to citizenry. I

27:14

want to move to abortion. Tomorrow marks

27:16

the two-year anniversary of the Dobbs decision.

27:19

Since that ruling, 21 states now

27:21

ban or restrict abortions earlier in

27:23

pregnancy than the standard set by

27:26

Roe, even if Joe Biden is

27:28

reelected. Is this really going to

27:30

change? Yes, it will

27:32

change. We need

27:34

three things. We need access

27:36

to abortion. We need access

27:39

to contraception, and we need access

27:41

to IVF. The Republicans have blocked

27:43

all three. They have laid out

27:45

their plan to say they're not

27:47

going to permit women to have

27:50

those three and to have access

27:52

to them. The Democrats are

27:54

fully on board. If we have

27:56

the trifecta, the House, the Senate, and

27:59

the White House. then we are going

28:01

to make Roe versus Wade law of

28:03

the land again. And with

28:05

Joe Biden in the presidency rather

28:07

than Donald Trump, we will have

28:10

as much protection for women as

28:12

humanly possible. Understand this. I want

28:14

to say this as clearly as I can. If

28:17

Donald Trump is elected to the

28:19

presidency, he and the

28:21

extremist Republicans are coming

28:24

after abortion, contraception and IVF

28:26

in every single state in

28:28

this country. Not just the

28:30

great states, not just the

28:32

purple states, every state in

28:34

this country, they've laid out their blueprint

28:36

and they're coming for everyone. Senator, I

28:39

want to end on this debate that

28:41

is very important on Thursday. Just

28:43

quickly, if you could, what are you expecting? You

28:46

were on debate stage with President Biden before?

28:50

Joe Biden is going to be Joe Biden,

28:52

and that means he's going to draw the

28:54

contrast. He'll be out there for working families.

28:57

He's going to say $35 insulin and

28:59

5 million people who've seen their student

29:01

loan debts canceled. He's going to talk

29:03

about getting rid of junk fees and

29:06

how his administration is going after the

29:08

price gougers at the oil pump and

29:10

the grocery store. And that's

29:12

the contrast with Donald Trump, who's

29:15

been out there telling his words, and

29:18

he teaches held donors that if

29:20

they will just give more money

29:22

to his campaign, then he's going

29:24

to cut taxes for billionaires, for

29:27

oil companies, and for the very

29:29

price gougers that right now

29:31

are picking Americans' pockets. I see this economic

29:33

context as key. It's

29:36

about who you fight for. Joe Biden

29:38

fights for working families. He

29:40

fights for women to have freedom. Senator,

29:43

Senator. He fights

29:45

for our democracy. Donald Trump fights for

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billionaires, billionaire corporations. Senator, I feel like

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I'm moderating a debate. No one is.

29:51

Senator, thank you for that. But I

29:54

just very, very quick question. Chaos or

29:56

not chaos? I've

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lost you. I can't hear you. Okay, we'll leave

30:01

it at that and we'll leave it to our

30:03

historians to talk about that again after

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the debate. Thanks for joining us this morning, appreciate

30:07

it. We're right there at the end. Up

30:10

next, the Powerhouse Roundtable takes on Thursday's

30:12

debate. We'll be right back. Be

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sure to tune in Thursday night right

30:19

here on ABC, but first let's bring

30:22

in our Powerhouse Roundtable, former RNC Chair

30:24

and former Trump White House Chief of

30:26

Staff Reince Priebus, former

30:28

Virginia Congresswoman Barbara Comstock,

30:31

NPR White House correspondent Oz

30:33

McHolid, Wall Street Journal National

30:35

Politics reporter Vivian Salama. Welcome to

30:37

all of you and I wanna

30:39

say that Elizabeth Warren could not

30:42

hear me in my last question.

30:44

I kept trying to interrupt her.

30:46

She kept talking, she couldn't hear,

30:48

so apologies to her for that

30:50

last exchange. And Reince, I

30:52

wanna turn to you. Speaking of exchanges and

30:54

moderating and interrupting people and all that, you

30:56

helped prep Donald Trump in 2016 for the

30:58

debate. You were in

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there in sort of their version of mock

31:03

debates and informally in 2020. First

31:06

of all, did he follow your advice? Second,

31:08

what do you think's gonna happen now? Well,

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he did. I mean, he was actually, it was

31:13

not the Donald Trump you may think

31:15

of all the time. He was listening,

31:17

we worked with him, but

31:20

he's also just, he's naturally combative

31:22

and he's learned

31:24

a lot, I think, over the years. So

31:27

how do I think? What about 2020? I

31:30

mean, what about that? I think 2020, I think an incumbent,

31:33

here's the thing for incumbent presidents, an

31:35

incumbent president coming back for the first

31:38

debate historically, it's always been tough. I

31:40

mean, you're used to hearing people tell

31:43

you, you're right, they're defending their

31:45

policies because they're the staffers that put the policies

31:47

in place and now all of a sudden you're

31:49

being criticized 24 seven. But I

31:51

think that sticking

31:53

to the issues is going to be the key

31:56

for President Trump. But being civil.

31:59

I think is a key in

32:02

this debate. And the third thing is

32:04

to let Joe Biden talk, because Joe

32:06

Biden has two huge

32:08

problems coming out of the

32:10

gate. Number one, so far

32:12

in this election, he has

32:14

not been able to articulate

32:16

clearly what his vision is.

32:19

The second problem he's got is

32:21

that the people out there, even

32:24

if he could do that, they don't

32:26

see a candidate that

32:28

I think is capable of

32:31

achieving the vision, even

32:33

if he's able to articulate it just

32:35

based on this whole competence issue. And

32:37

it's plaguing him, and it's plaguing the

32:40

campaign. And Barbara, you are a Nikki

32:42

Haley supporter, so what do you think has

32:44

to happen here for Trump to appeal

32:47

to independents? What does Biden have to do?

32:50

Well, I think what Biden needs

32:52

to do is he should just

32:54

ignore Trump and his antics and

32:56

talk directly to those swing voters

32:58

and Republicans who aren't going to

33:00

support Trump, and calmly talk

33:02

to them, first about his record and

33:04

the bipartisan success he has, but also

33:07

what he wants to do for the

33:09

future. But he also needs to tell

33:11

the American people that Trump is a

33:13

convicted felon, that he's somebody who has

33:15

been adjudicated of a sexual assault, but

33:17

also what he wants to do to

33:20

women's health and all the concerns there that he's

33:22

talked about. He also needs to tell them that

33:24

he wants to pardon January 6th

33:26

violent offenders, those people

33:28

who beat the Capitol

33:31

Police men on January 6th,

33:33

that this is somebody who asked his

33:35

own vice president to pardon the Trump. He

33:37

wants to point that out, yeah. To

33:40

pardon the January 6th violent offenders,

33:42

that this is someone who asked

33:44

his own vice president to violate

33:46

his constitutional oath, which is why

33:48

his own vice president isn't supporting

33:50

him, as well as many of

33:52

Trump's own cabinet members, including people

33:54

like his longest serving chief of

33:56

staff, John Kelly, who has said

33:58

he... You know, the

34:00

whole suckers and losers. And yet we've seen

34:02

the polls. No, I know, but nobody has

34:05

really talked. These independents and the

34:07

people who don't, who are still thinking about

34:09

it, those are the people, the 6% and

34:11

the 6 states, who

34:13

are the late deciders. They are, they

34:16

swing to more center left. They are

34:19

women, and they are the people we

34:21

know who don't like to support a

34:23

convicted felon who are very concerned about

34:25

democracy, about the state of our

34:28

country. No, Biden has made some gains in

34:30

those. And he has made inroads with them.

34:32

And they are very concerned that people

34:35

don't support, in his

34:37

own administration, those type of people who know

34:39

he has a danger to democracy and that

34:41

he won't support our allies. Last night he

34:44

was saying, this is not gonna stand with

34:46

our NATO allies. As my President

34:48

Biden is concentrating this week, he's up at

34:50

Camp David doing debate prep. Tell us what

34:53

you know about that debate prep. And does

34:55

that ring true to you? That he will

34:57

talk about those things. That will be his

34:59

message. Yeah, I mean, sources within the Biden

35:01

world have told me that really they see

35:04

this as a moment to present a contrasting

35:06

vision. They don't feel like voters have begun

35:08

to really tune in. And you talk about

35:10

an audience. I mean, the first debate in

35:12

2020 had over 70 million people

35:15

who tuned in. So they are hoping to

35:17

reach a large swath of the American public

35:19

on issues. I mean, they see a real

35:21

contrast when it comes to issues like democracy

35:24

and abortion. But fundamentally, I mean, they tell

35:26

me they see this as an opportunity to

35:28

present a contrasting vision of what

35:30

America wants. I do think it'll be interesting as to what

35:32

version of Donald Trump we see, because I think in 2020,

35:35

if you look at those two debates, they were

35:37

very different Donald Trumps that you saw. A

35:40

person familiar with the debate prep on Biden's

35:42

side told me that they anticipate that they

35:45

will see a more disciplined Donald Trump this

35:47

time around. And Biden is spending

35:49

time reading and briefing it and just sort

35:51

of familiarizing himself with what Trump has been

35:53

saying. They said that he's not been paying

35:55

attention to every Donald Trump rally, and he

35:57

needs to be briefed and read in on

35:59

what.