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week with George Stephanopoulos starts

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right now. Terror

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in Russia. Over

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100 killed in an attack on

0:40

a concert hall near Moscow. ISIS-K

0:43

claiming responsibility. This

0:46

morning, Martha Raddatz with the very

0:48

latest and Senator Marco Rubio, vice

0:50

chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee,

0:53

joins us live. Cash

0:55

crunch. We have a lot of cash

0:57

and we have a great company but they want to take it

0:59

away. The former president scrambles to obtain

1:02

a half a billion dollar bond

1:04

by tomorrow as the New York

1:06

Attorney General moves to

1:08

seize his assets. We are prepared

1:11

to make sure that the judgment is paid

1:13

to New Yorkers. How will Trump come up

1:15

with the cash and what does it The

1:21

latest reporting from Aaron K M and

1:24

our expert panel dysfunction.

1:26

Democracy is messy. It's particularly

1:29

messy right now. Congress

1:31

passes a $1.2 trillion spending

1:33

bill to avert a shutdown

1:36

as hard-right Republicans threaten

1:38

mutiny against the speaker again. The clock

1:40

has started. It's time for our conference

1:42

to choose a new speaker. With

1:44

more members of Congress calling it

1:46

quits, our powerhouse roundtable talks about

1:49

the future of the GOP. And

1:52

do you believe that Netanyahu is an

1:54

obstacle to peace? Rachel Scott is

1:56

one-on-one with Vice President, Kamala,

1:58

Harris and ABC the news

2:01

exclusive. From

2:04

A B C News is this

2:07

week here now Jonathan Karl. The

2:11

Morning welcome to this week as

2:13

a high stakes week for former

2:15

President Trump as he races to

2:17

meet a deadline of tomorrow to

2:19

put up nearly a half a

2:21

billion dollar bond or face the

2:23

seizure of some of his prized

2:25

assets by the New York Attorney

2:27

General. This, while he appeals the

2:30

fraud verdict against him, his eldest

2:32

songs and the Trump Organization. meanwhile

2:34

here in Washington, more chaos on

2:36

Capitol Hill as yet another republican

2:38

speaker is fighting the keep his

2:40

job is transgression. In the eyes

2:42

of some of his colleagues striking a

2:44

deal with Democrats to keep the government

2:46

from shutting down. Or. Gets all

2:49

that this morning. But we begin with

2:51

the her reflect news out of Russia

2:53

where the terrorist group Isis case has

2:55

claimed responsibility for an attack. It has

2:58

taken over one hundred and thirty lives

3:00

at a popular concert hall near Moscow.

3:03

This. Same terror. Group also claimed responsibility

3:05

for the attack that killed thirteen

3:07

American service members in Afghanistan in

3:10

August of Twenty Twenty One, and

3:12

another attack in Iran earlier this

3:14

year that kills nearly one hundred.

3:17

American. Intelligence officials tell us

3:19

that the United States warned Russia

3:21

that they had received information that

3:24

Isis K was plotting and attack

3:26

in Moscow. It was a warning

3:29

considered so serious that the Us

3:31

Embassy put out a security alert

3:33

on March seventh, saying that it

3:36

was monitoring reports that extremists at

3:38

imminent plans to attack large gatherings

3:41

including concerts. Latimer. Potent

3:43

spoke out about the attack this weekend.

3:45

And. Appeared to suggest with absolutely

3:47

no evidence that Ukraine was

3:50

somehow involved. All. Of this

3:52

is raising concerns about what Isis came

3:54

a do next. We begin this morning

3:57

with this week coworker Martha Raddatz. We

3:59

do have. The warn you, some

4:01

of the images are disturbing. This

4:04

morning smoldering aftermath of one of

4:06

the deadliest howard has in Russia's

4:09

recent sisters have one of the

4:11

largest concert and shopping complex as

4:13

in the country. For

4:15

Isis terrorists armed with

4:17

automatic weapons slaughtering at

4:19

least one hundred thirty

4:22

men, aged cheeses and

4:24

injuring hundreds more. To

4:26

of the men taken into custody

4:28

by the Russians shown on state

4:30

Tv but not independently verified. The

4:32

armed man making their way into

4:35

the concert hall killing anyone in.

4:37

The way the audience inside

4:39

just arriving for a rock

4:42

concert when they are set

4:44

on fire iraq will start

4:47

screaming rushing around trying to

4:49

hide under the seeing. All

4:54

the while the relentless her

4:56

refined curse of automatic weapons

4:58

fire this concert I witness

5:00

saying than terrorists are not

5:02

shooting at the ceiling, not

5:04

into the air for shooting

5:06

directly into. The crowd. Another

5:09

with the same was a

5:11

shooting was over the Isis

5:14

gunman who molotov cocktails inside

5:16

the complex within minutes watch

5:18

smoke and flames for from

5:21

the facility freshly many inside.

5:23

And table in the room

5:25

Russian President Vladimir Putin addressing

5:27

the nation Saturday not ever

5:29

mentioning I says you can

5:31

instead blaming Ukraine for the

5:33

empty houses With it no

5:35

evidence that claiming the for

5:37

gunman we're. Heading towards Ukraine

5:40

when they were caught. This.

5:42

Despite Isis taking credit for the.

5:44

Attack and the Us confirming

5:46

it was the Islamic. Terror

5:48

Group responsible. and

5:51

martha raddatz joins us now so

5:53

martha with us begin with prudence

5:55

claim that they apprehended the suspects

5:57

as they were headed toward Ukraine,

5:59

there is nothing tying this attack

6:01

to Ukraine. Absolutely nothing tying it

6:03

to Ukraine. And he said they

6:06

were apprehended going in the direction

6:08

towards Ukraine, which is hundreds and

6:10

hundreds of miles away. So that

6:12

is not exactly a great

6:14

escape plan for whoever did this.

6:17

And what do we know about ISIS-K?

6:19

And why would they attack Russia? I

6:21

think that's the first question I had

6:24

as well, John. Why, who, what are

6:26

they doing? ISIS-K is just a branch

6:28

and affiliate of ISIS. It's all the

6:30

bad guys. They do not

6:32

like Russia. They want revenge. Russia

6:35

sides with the Taliban in Afghanistan,

6:37

which is where ISIS-K is from.

6:39

And they also think they have

6:42

mistreated Muslims anyway, the

6:44

kind of Muslims that

6:46

ISIS-K likes. What about

6:48

this warning that the U.S. says that

6:50

they gave Russians ahead of time, that

6:52

I mean, it was oddly specific. They

6:55

seemed to have really good intelligence as

6:57

something this was going to happen. But

6:59

we've also heard from the Russian ambassador

7:01

to the United States denying that there

7:03

was a tip-off given. What's the truth

7:05

here? The U.S. officials say, are adamant

7:07

about this. And as you know, John,

7:09

it was a public warning that something

7:12

would happen in Russia, a very

7:14

specific warning. In a concert

7:16

hall, they thought, this came out on

7:18

March 7th. The United States did

7:20

what's called duty to warn. They did this

7:22

to Iran a couple of years

7:24

ago when there was a terrorist attack there. By

7:27

ISIS-K as well. Exactly. It's a

7:29

duty to warn. If we have intelligence that

7:31

people are going to be injured, we will

7:33

tell them. The Russian ambassador is saying

7:35

they didn't get it. Putin poo-pooed all

7:37

of the warnings at the time. None

7:40

of this is good for Vladimir Putin. All

7:42

right. Martha, thank you very much.

7:44

In an exclusive interview with ABC's

7:46

Rachel Scott, Vice President Kamala Harris,

7:48

waiting on Putin's suggestion of a

7:51

possible Ukraine connection to the attack.

7:54

Vladimir Putin is already trying to link

7:56

this to Ukraine and say

7:58

that Ukraine is responsible. So, U.S.

8:00

has any evidence to back that up? No,

8:03

and first let me start by saying what has happened

8:05

in an act of terrorism and the number of people

8:08

who have been killed is obviously a tragedy and we

8:10

should all send our

8:12

condolences to those families. No,

8:15

there is no whatsoever any evidence

8:18

and in fact what we know to

8:20

be the case is that I.S.K. is actually,

8:23

by all accounts, responsible for what happened.

8:27

We'll have more of Rachel's interview with the

8:29

vice president later in the program. Now I

8:32

am joined by Republican Senator Marco Rubio of

8:34

Florida, the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence

8:36

Committee. Senator Rubio, thank you for being here.

8:38

Let's start with what happened in Russia. First

8:41

of all, no doubt that this

8:43

was ISIS-K. Yeah,

8:45

I mean, they've claimed responsibility. They were

8:47

warned this was going to happen. Now,

8:49

ISIS-K, ISIS-Kurasan is largely the Afghan wing

8:51

of ISIS. It's reconstituted itself, as we

8:53

warned would happen when we had this

8:55

disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. One of the

8:57

reasons why we didn't want to withdraw

8:59

precipitously is because you gave them operating

9:02

space to reorganize themselves and plan

9:04

externally. And since that time, they've

9:06

attacked inside of Afghanistan. They're responsible

9:08

for the abigail, the loss of

9:10

13 Americans and service people right

9:12

outside the gate of the airport.

9:15

They conducted an attack inside of Iran not too long ago

9:17

and now this one in Russia. And they'll

9:19

do it here in the homeland. And I think

9:21

we should be very concerned as the FBI director

9:24

confirmed to me that there is a wing,

9:26

there is a trafficking network out there that

9:28

specializes in moving people. They do it for

9:30

profit, moving people and migrants around the world,

9:32

including across our southern border, who have links

9:34

to ISIS. I think common sense

9:36

tells you if they run a trafficking network of

9:39

people, they would most certainly use it to

9:41

move operatives into the United States. So I'm not

9:43

claiming there's an imminent threat to the U.S., but

9:45

I am saying that border situation and the existence

9:47

of that network is a threat to the United

9:49

States. If they could do what they did in

9:51

Moscow and the United States, they would do it

9:53

in a heartbeat. They want to do it. And

9:55

it's extraordinary that they've taken on two of our

9:57

main adversaries, Iran and Russia, and also the United

9:59

States. which seem to be pretty

10:01

sophisticated, or at least deadly

10:04

effective attacks. How

10:06

concerned are you that they are kind of in

10:09

the growth industry here? Well, they're, if

10:11

you think back to the end of 2020, under

10:13

the Trump administration, ISIS was basically out of business.

10:16

I mean, they were down to less than 1,000

10:18

fighters and so forth. And now

10:20

they've reconstituted themselves. And part of it is, once

10:22

we leave, in Afghanistan, we're no longer there to

10:24

conduct regular strikes. They can now operate openly, no

10:26

matter how much the Taliban wants to take them

10:28

on. They can't. They don't have the capability

10:30

to do it. And these guys have found a place to operate

10:32

from. They need real estate. They need land. They

10:35

need places where they can organize and do external plotting.

10:37

Now it's a lot easier for them to get into

10:39

Iran. It's a lot easier for them to get into

10:41

Russia and do these things. But their aspirations go beyond

10:43

Russia and Iran. They would love to do what they

10:45

did in Moscow here inside the United States. And

10:48

it's something we have to be very vigilant about

10:50

when we have a border in which 9 million

10:53

people have come across in the last three years.

10:55

Let me turn to the war in

10:57

Gaza. As you know, members of the

10:59

Israeli war cabinet are here in

11:02

Washington, starting today, meeting with senior

11:04

national security officials in the White

11:06

House. I

11:09

know you've been harshly critical of President

11:11

Biden's approach to this, and also what

11:13

Senator Schumer had to say. How

11:15

concerned are you that support for

11:18

Israel, which had long been the

11:20

ultimate bipartisan issue,

11:22

has become a part, or is becoming a partisan

11:24

issue? While I continue to do everything I can

11:26

from my end to keep it from becoming that,

11:28

I'll be frank. I think the president

11:30

is worried about losing Minnesota and Michigan. He's

11:32

getting a lot of pressure from the pro-Hamas wing

11:35

of the Democratic Party, a lot of activists and people

11:37

like that. He's getting

11:39

heckled at speeches. He's hearing a lot of complaints.

11:42

And so I think he's trying to have it

11:44

both ways, still stick with Israel to some extent,

11:46

but also do things that signal to these people

11:48

and try to appease them. I saw yesterday Secretary

11:50

Blinken was overseas, protesters outside of his hotel. I

11:52

saw at the State of the Union, where these

11:54

pro-Hamas people were trying to block the president from

11:56

getting to the State of the Union. They're under

11:59

a lot of political pressure. pressure. And that's what's

12:01

happening here. But Israel has to win. They have

12:04

90,000 displaced Israelis

12:06

in their own country, just in the northern

12:08

region because of Hezbollah. And who's going to

12:10

move back to any of these kibbutzas near

12:12

Gaza unless Hamas is eliminated? You cannot have

12:14

a country in which this threat continues to

12:16

exist. They have to finish this job.

12:18

And this fighting can end tomorrow. You want to

12:20

cease fire in Gaza. It's very simple. Hamas

12:23

just surrender. No one's calling for Hamas to surrender

12:25

and lay down their arms. That would end the

12:27

conflict. That would end the conflict immediately.

12:29

I want to play you something that President

12:32

Trump said this week about

12:34

Democrats and Israel. Take a listen. Any

12:39

Jewish person that votes for

12:41

Democrats hates

12:43

their religion. They hate everything about

12:45

Israel. And they should be ashamed

12:47

of themselves because Israel will be

12:49

destroyed. I assume you

12:51

don't agree with that. Well, I look, I think

12:54

that there's an argument. There's a difference between being

12:56

pro-Israel and there are people, you know, being your

12:58

religion and being pro-Israel can be two separate things.

13:00

And then there's people that are pro-Israel but maybe

13:02

don't like Netanyahu or what have you. At the

13:05

end of the day, my view of it is

13:07

pretty consistent. And that is that if you are

13:09

out here, if you are claiming, if you are

13:11

on the side of anyone who wants Israel to

13:14

stop, in my view, given the realities

13:16

of the world, if you want Israel to

13:18

stop, what it basically means is that Hamas will continue to

13:20

be able to threaten Israel and so will Hezbollah. It is

13:22

a, this is not a fight over land.

13:24

This is not a territorial dispute. This is

13:26

an existential battle. And anyone who doesn't understand

13:28

that is, frankly, whether they know it or

13:30

not, an enemy of Israel, or at least

13:32

on the side of what could lead to

13:34

the destruction of the Jewish state. And that

13:36

is something that I think is untenable. And

13:38

I hope people will reconsider that are out

13:40

there arguing that Israel should somehow stop at

13:42

this point. I want to turn to

13:44

politics. There was some reporting this week that you

13:47

are possibly under consideration to be Donald Trump's running

13:49

mate. I don't put a lot of stock in

13:51

this reporting right now or we're early, but

13:54

you said it would be an honor to be offered

13:56

a spot on his ticket. Really? Yeah. I think anyone

13:58

who's offered the opportunity to serve this country is. vice

14:00

president should be honored by the opportunity to do it

14:02

if you're in public service. I'm in the Senate because

14:04

I want to serve the country. Being vice president is

14:06

an important way to serve the country. But I've also

14:08

been clear, I've never talked to Donald Trump. I've never

14:10

talked to anybody on his team or family or inner

14:12

circle about vice president. That's a decision he's going to

14:14

make. He has plenty of really good people to pick

14:16

from. I mean, the reason why I ask is, I

14:18

mean, look what happened to the last guy. I

14:21

mean, a mob stormed the

14:23

Capitol, literally calling to hang

14:25

Mike Pence. Listen, and Trump defended those

14:28

chants of hang Mike Pence. I will

14:30

tell you this, that when Donald Trump was president of

14:32

the United States, this country was safer, it was more

14:34

prosperous. We had relations, for

14:36

example, in a part of the world that I care about,

14:38

called the Western Hemisphere, that were very strong.

14:40

We had a lot of good things done there. I think

14:42

the country and the world was a better place when he

14:44

was president. And I would love to

14:46

see him return to the White House in comparison to

14:49

the guy who's there now, Joe Biden, who has been

14:51

a disaster economically. Look at the world. Every

14:53

single day we wake up to a new crisis, to

14:55

a new conflict. Everything has gone on fire since the

14:57

time Joe Biden took over. Everything has

14:59

gone down. Ukraine has been invaded. Now the Philippines

15:02

and the Chinese are on the verge of something

15:04

bad happening every single day. Not to

15:06

mention the threats to Taiwan. We have this

15:08

blowup in Haiti going on in our very

15:10

own hemisphere. We wake up every single day

15:12

terrorist attacks. And nine million people across the

15:15

border. I mean, you're not suggesting that's all

15:17

happening because of Biden. Absolutely, I am. Well,

15:19

let me tell you. Absolutely, I'm suggesting it

15:21

happening because of Biden. He's president and his

15:23

weakness and his... It's because of Biden that

15:26

Russia invaded Ukraine? Absolutely. It's because

15:28

of Biden that Haiti... Absolutely. I

15:30

mean, Putin is sitting there saying, these guys can't even stand

15:32

up to the Taliban and they have to fly people hanging

15:34

off the wings of these airplanes. Now is the time to

15:36

go. I mean,

15:38

Trump's the one saying that suggesting that there

15:40

should be a deal that effectively gives Putin

15:43

what he wants in Ukraine. But let me take it quick.

15:45

But that's not true. What he has said is

15:47

he wants the conflict to end, which is striking to me that people... Why

15:50

wouldn't people want peace? What I've said is there is going

15:52

to be a negotiated... So Russia's not going to take all

15:54

of Ukraine. And Ukraine's not going to push Russia back to

15:56

where it was in 2014. I

15:58

want Ukraine to have the upper... hand in any negotiation.

16:01

Can we take a quick trip down memory lane while

16:03

we're talking about this? This was you in 2016. What

16:08

we are dealing with here, my friend, is

16:11

a con artist. He is a

16:13

con artist. Personally, he

16:15

is in this idea that he is fighting

16:17

for the little guy. But

16:20

he has spent his entire career sticking

16:22

it to the little guy. Friends

16:24

do not let friends vote for con artists. Friends

16:30

do not let friends vote for con artists. You

16:32

know I could have gone on. I could have

16:34

played more. So why didn't you play the clip

16:36

of Kamala Harris basically insinuating that Joe Biden was

16:38

in segregation at some stage? We've now been vice

16:40

president. We played that. But let me

16:42

ask you. We didn't play it now. That was then.

16:44

Yeah, that was then. That was a campaign. Okay, but

16:46

let me ask you right now, where we are right

16:48

now. Donald Trump is making the

16:50

case, and he's going to do it before the

16:53

Supreme Court, that the president of

16:55

the United States should have absolute immunity,

16:57

should effectively be above the law for

16:59

virtually anything that a president does while

17:01

in office. You don't agree with that.

17:04

Well, I don't think that, well, in the case of

17:06

immunity, there's two separate issues here. One is, can the

17:08

president do anything? Can he go out and basically, you

17:10

know, kill one of the members of the staff overnight

17:12

inside the White House? Obviously, that's an

17:14

absurd outcome, and that's a common crime. But I do

17:16

think there's a legitimate issue here that we need to

17:18

talk about writ large, especially after what we've seen the

17:21

last three years is, do we want to live in

17:23

a country where basically the opponents of a president can

17:26

extort them, can have leverage over them during their

17:28

entire presidency and say, don't worry, once you're out

17:31

of office, we're going to prosecute you. We're going

17:33

to come after you, we're going to charge you

17:35

for this crime. Yeah, but he's saying absolute immunity.

17:37

He's saying immunity. Well, we'll see. I

17:39

mean, we'll, you know, this goes before the Supreme Court. Yeah,

17:41

but like the arguments we're here with as a guy that's

17:43

running for president. He's not representing himself at the Supreme Court.

17:46

Lawyers will make that argument. We're living in

17:48

a country now where basically, if you're president, now you have

17:50

to think to yourself, I got to be careful what I

17:52

do as president. Not even legal or illegal, even on policy,

17:54

because if I upset the wrong people, I leave.

17:57

You should be careful not to break the laws. But

18:00

look at these prosecutions that are coming about.

18:02

You've got this lady, clear partisan in New

18:04

York, who's basically prosecuting the president over loans,

18:07

something that's never been done to anybody before. The banks,

18:09

more supposedly the victims of what they claim are all

18:12

saying, we don't even rely on what the president's statements

18:14

are. We do our own internal investigation to see if

18:16

the properties are worth what they're worth. And you've got

18:18

a judgment on them. That's just one example. You're trying

18:21

to bankrupt them and jail them. But give me this.

18:23

You don't think that the people that attacked the Capitol

18:26

are absolute patriots like Trump says and should be part

18:28

of it? Well, what I do think is that people

18:30

that went into the Capitol and committed crimes of violence

18:32

or had, you know, zip ties

18:34

and all that are different from someone who walked

18:36

in through an open door. I think they should

18:39

have prioritized and only prosecuted the people who committed

18:41

acts of violence and things are not absolute patriots.

18:43

Well, if you attack a police officer or you

18:45

go into the Capitol, no. But there are people

18:47

that have been charged, in some cases, egregiously charged

18:50

for simply walking in. They didn't attack

18:52

anybody. Why didn't they do that for the

18:54

people that set all those fires in Portland? All right. Senator

18:57

Rubio, thank you for joining us this morning. We appreciate it. Thank

18:59

you. Up next, with a $464

19:02

million deadline looming tomorrow, can former President Trump

19:04

come up with the cash or will he

19:06

lose some of his prized properties? We'll be

19:08

joined by the guy who literally wrote the

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Kayla. Hilma

20:16

Emilio Donald

20:18

Trump's fraud is staggering and so

20:21

too is his ego and his belief that the

20:24

rules do

20:31

not apply to him. There cannot be different rules

20:34

for different people in this country and former

20:37

presidents are no exception. You build

20:39

a great company, there was

20:41

no fraud, the banks all got

20:43

their money. If I weren't running, none

20:45

of this stuff would have ever happened. None of

20:47

these lawsuits would have ever happened. That

20:51

was former president Trump responding to

20:53

New York Attorney General Letitia James

20:55

last month after the multi-million dollar

20:57

judgment against Trump, his eldest sons

20:59

and the Trump organization for fraud.

21:02

With interest added Trump now

21:05

owes 464 million dollars by

21:07

tomorrow or he faces

21:09

the seizure of some of his

21:11

prized properties. So does he have

21:13

the cash? ABC's senior investigative correspondent

21:16

Aaron Katersky has the latest from

21:18

New York. Aaron, good morning. Good

21:22

morning to you, John, former president Trump is due

21:24

here at court for a hearing tomorrow in

21:26

his criminal case, accusing him of falsifying business

21:29

records to conceal a sex scandal from voters

21:31

in 2016. The

21:33

prosecutors from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office

21:35

are expected to ask the judge to

21:37

move forward, putting Trump on trial next

21:39

month with no further delay. But as

21:41

you say, he faces a much more

21:44

urgent legal threat, the possible seizure of

21:46

his assets if he can't come up

21:48

with hundreds of millions of dollars due

21:50

now in less than 24 hours. prepared

22:00

to begin seizing some of his most

22:02

prized assets. And you know,

22:04

we have great properties. We have the

22:06

monoleisances of properties. The massive fine comes

22:08

after a judge found Trump overvalued his

22:10

real estate and exaggerated his net worth.

22:13

Trump has denied it and is appealing. And

22:15

in the meantime, he's asking the appeals court

22:17

to pause the judgment or accept a smaller

22:19

bond. We have a lot of cash and

22:22

we have a great company, but they want to take it away

22:24

or at least take the cash element away. Billions

22:26

of dollars in value, billions of dollars

22:29

in properties. The New York attorney general

22:31

registered the court's judgment in Westchester County,

22:33

a sign she may be eyeing his

22:35

Briarcliff Manor golf club and Bedford Estate

22:37

known as Seven Springs in addition to

22:39

properties in Manhattan like 40 Wall Street

22:41

and his apartment in Trump Tower. The

22:44

potential seizure is something James told me last

22:46

month she'd do to make sure Trump pays.

22:48

If he does not have funds to pay off

22:51

the judgment, then we will

22:53

seek judgment

22:55

enforcement mechanisms in court and

22:58

we will ask the judge to

23:00

seize his assets. But Trump's lawyers

23:02

argue he's facing insurmountable difficulties. They

23:04

say more than 30 underwriters refuse

23:06

to accept real estate as collateral

23:08

and Trump lacks enough cash. Trump

23:11

balked at the idea he could sell real

23:13

estate to raise money. They want you to

23:15

put up money before the appeal. So if

23:17

you sell a property or do something and

23:19

then you win the appeal, you don't have

23:22

the property. His lawyers calling obtaining a bond

23:24

of such enormous magnitude a practical impossibility. Yet

23:26

on Friday Trump may have undercut that very

23:28

argument when he claimed he does have the money.

23:31

He just wants to spend it elsewhere. I currently have

23:33

almost $500 million in cash. Trump

23:36

wrote on social media, a substantial amount of

23:38

which I intended to use in my campaign.

23:40

But Trump hasn't offered any proof he actually

23:43

has $500 million in cash

23:45

and he hasn't put any of his own

23:47

money into his campaign since 2016. Here

23:50

is a new potential source of cash.

23:52

Investors just voted to take Trump's social

23:54

media company public. The former president's stake

23:56

is about $3 billion. But

23:59

that's on paper. Without special permission from

24:01

shareholders, Trump can't turn it into cash

24:03

for six months. And

24:07

ultimately, John, there's a real question about

24:09

how much Truth Social is actually worth.

24:12

It brought in a few million dollars in

24:14

revenue, but lost tens of millions in the

24:17

first nine months of last year. John.

24:20

Doesn't exactly sound like a three billion

24:22

or five billion dollar company. So Aaron,

24:24

walk us through this. How exactly will

24:26

this play out tomorrow? You

24:30

know, we know more about how it's not going

24:32

to play out. The Attorney General, John, is not

24:34

going to be showing up at Trump Tower with

24:37

padlocks for the doors or stickers for the windows

24:39

that say seized, but she

24:41

could start to identify accounts to

24:43

freeze or move to file liens

24:46

on certain properties. Or

24:48

she may ultimately opt to wait a

24:50

bit, allow the appeals court to decide

24:52

whether Trump deserves any kind of a

24:54

reprieve. Seizing assets is a

24:57

slow process. And as you know, John,

24:59

Trump is likely to fight every step of

25:01

the way. No question about

25:03

that. All right, Aaron, thank you

25:05

for joining us. Let's bring in

25:07

our expert panel, New York University

25:09

Law Professor Melissa Murray, co-author of

25:11

the Trump Indictments, and

25:13

New York Times investigative reporter Russ

25:16

Butner, co-author of Lucky Loser, how

25:18

Donald Trump squandered his father's fortune

25:20

and created the illusion of success.

25:22

That's out this fall. Russ, let

25:24

me start with you. Can you

25:26

help me understand? We heard from

25:28

the legal team that Trump could

25:30

come up with about $100 million.

25:33

That's what they said on Monday that he couldn't

25:35

come up with more than that. And then Trump

25:37

himself on Friday said he has, you know, almost

25:39

$500 million in cash. What's

25:42

the truth? What does he have? The

25:46

truth is always a moving target with Donald Trump's cash.

25:49

As near as I can figure out,

25:51

he had some windfalls over the last

25:53

couple of years. He sold a money

25:55

losing operation, the hotel in Washington, D.C.

25:58

His gain on that sale before... After taxes

26:00

was about one hundred and twenty five million

26:02

and he also are benefited from a refinancing

26:04

of a property which he has a passive

26:07

investment that brought him a windfall about one

26:09

hundred eighty five million. There's some extra cash

26:11

might have had in there so I would

26:13

guess at some point last year he had

26:15

around three hundred and fifty but John Usually

26:18

what we see on his cash is that

26:20

it swindles over time because he has some

26:22

money losing operation self. this is a really

26:24

a steep hill for him to climb to

26:26

try to meet gotcha for hims fifty million

26:28

dollar figure money losing operations. And a lot

26:31

of legal bills attorneys wasn't was Melissa Let

26:33

me ask you as as a as a

26:35

lawyer. What? What does it mean when

26:37

your client is say one thing and the legal

26:39

team is saying the opposite. I. Mean he,

26:41

he he does. Legal team said it only come up

26:44

with one hundred million. Lighting.

26:47

There's a big difference if your client

26:49

also happens to be running for president

26:51

and a big part of his appeal

26:53

team is base is his financial acumen

26:55

and it's success as a businessman so

26:57

that she were definitely not an alignment

26:59

here. And it's clear that the lawyers

27:01

understand that this may be a more

27:03

financially strapped time for the former President,

27:05

but on the campaign trail he's trying

27:07

to protect the illusion of success. In

27:10

and he had tried to go to the

27:12

full court of appeals to to prevents us

27:14

or this step to make it so he

27:16

wouldn't have to put all this up while

27:18

he appeals. The overall case? Is there any

27:20

chance or that he gets a last minute

27:22

reprieve on this and that they knock it

27:24

down. It

27:27

could be the case that the Intermediate Appellate

27:29

court lowers the somewhat. He also could appeal

27:32

this to the highest court in New York,

27:34

the Court of Appeals. He's also vowed to

27:36

appeal this all the way to the United

27:38

States Supreme Court on the view that this

27:41

judgment is excesses and punitive and he may

27:43

get some relief, but again, it's an almost

27:45

five hundred million dollar judge may it's going

27:47

to be quite significant, even if it is

27:50

reduced some what. It is in

27:52

were and what do you think of the

27:54

overall prospects of the of that appeal on

27:56

mean it in the judgment does to this

27:58

terminated I've looked excessive. nearly a half a billion

28:01

dollars, is it? Hard to say.

28:03

Again, the point that Judge Ungeron made

28:05

in this judgment was that Donald Trump

28:07

had overstated the value of many of

28:09

his assets and in doing so had

28:12

defrauded the real estate market. Donald Trump

28:14

says that this was a victimless crime,

28:16

there's no real victim here and it's

28:18

just sort of semantics and real estate

28:20

fluctuates and speculation and speculative values are

28:22

part of the deal. But again, it

28:25

depends on the nature of the panel, depends

28:27

on how the court views this. It does

28:29

seem that Judge Ungeron was sending a very

28:31

pointed message here, but whether or not an

28:34

appeals court believes that it's two-pointed, that's an

28:36

entirely different question. And

28:38

Russ, help me understand another thing, the

28:41

truth social, which is

28:43

now going to be merged with this public

28:45

company beyond the stock

28:47

exchange. So he's

28:50

got on paper $3 billion on

28:54

that, but you've heard Aaron say the

28:56

company had $3.4 million

28:59

in revenue in the first nine months of

29:01

last year against a

29:04

much higher amount of expenses. I mean,

29:06

what is that company actually worth? I

29:09

mean, how is it valued at $3

29:11

plus trillion? It's

29:15

remarkable. This was sort of a, it's

29:17

called a blank check company where there's

29:19

one company that says it's going to

29:22

raise money and emerging with another company.

29:24

It's not divulged. They didn't handle that

29:26

just right, but it created a tremendous

29:28

amount of interest for

29:30

people who really didn't know what it was going

29:32

to result in. And so there's

29:35

a, and then there's been extra value on it

29:37

as it sort of led up to this big

29:39

merger. But it is a remarkable thing to think

29:41

that a company that is losing the last report

29:43

I saw was $50 million last year

29:45

and has the revenue of like a

29:47

really successful shoe store is going to

29:50

somehow be worth billions of billions of

29:52

dollars. Right. Donald Trump can't sell that

29:54

stock for at least six months unless

29:56

he has some special permission

29:58

from the board. If he

30:00

does do that, just imagine the impact that

30:02

would have on that stock, that it would

30:04

just literally collapse it if he sold enough

30:06

to do it. He can't get his hands

30:09

on it quickly without a really extraordinary sort

30:11

of permission from that board again. And

30:14

I think what may happen here is

30:16

that at some point, investors may look

30:18

back to the last time Donald Trump

30:20

had a public company, which was his

30:22

casinos. And the investors

30:24

in those companies lost tens or

30:26

hundreds of millions of dollars, and

30:28

Donald Trump gained, and the stock had

30:31

a steady decline throughout his tenure there. And

30:33

that is kind of what this looks like in

30:36

the making here, that there's not much of a

30:38

company there. They don't have a great business plan.

30:40

There's not been a lot of interest in it.

30:42

And it's hard to imagine that within six months

30:44

or a year, that valuation on a publicly traded

30:47

stock is going to stay

30:49

at the same level. And Melissa, we're almost out

30:51

of time, but quickly, there's also been speculation that

30:53

Trump could go and get money from billionaires that

30:55

would put up the money, or maybe even foreign

30:58

sources, Saudis or Russians or whatever. Could he actually

31:00

do that? Is that legal? Would it have

31:02

to be disclosed? I think

31:04

that he would have to definitely disclose

31:06

those assets. I mean, there's certainly lots

31:09

of requirements in terms of federal law

31:11

around receiving money from foreign intermediaries. And

31:13

again, this is a major issue going

31:15

into the campaign. This could be considered

31:17

campaign contributions in some respects. And

31:19

then you'd have to think about all of

31:22

those different kind of legalities. So I think

31:24

it is much more difficult here. I mean,

31:26

the easiest option facing Donald Trump is the

31:28

prospect of bankruptcy. But again, that's an unappealing

31:30

prospect for someone who professes to be a

31:33

successful businessman on the campaign trail. It

31:35

would not be on brand, but it

31:37

also wouldn't be new. All right, Professor

31:39

Melissa Murray, Russ Butner, thank you both

31:41

for joining us. Up

31:43

next, ABC's Rachel Scott goes one

31:45

on one with Vice President Kamala

31:47

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32:23

President Kamala Harris visited Marjory Stoneman

32:25

Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida,

32:27

six years after one of the

32:29

nation's deadliest school shootings. Harris was

32:31

there to talk about the administration's

32:33

latest efforts on gun safety, and

32:35

that's where our Rachel Scott caught

32:37

up with her. She began by

32:39

asking the vice president about Israel's

32:41

military offensive in Gaza. Leader

32:45

Schumer was very blunt in his remarks

32:47

on the Senate floor. He called Netanyahu

32:49

an obstacle to peace. He's calling for

32:51

new elections. In Israel, the president

32:53

called that a good speech. What did he mean

32:55

by that? Does the administration believe that there needs

32:57

to be new elections in Israel? Well,

33:00

I will not speak for Senator Schumer, but

33:03

we are very clear that that is

33:05

on the Israeli people to make a decision about

33:07

when they will have an election and who, of

33:09

course, they elect to lead their government. That's for

33:11

them to say. Do you believe that Netanyahu is

33:14

an obstacle to peace? I

33:16

believe that we have got to

33:18

continue to enforce what we

33:20

know to be and should be the priorities

33:23

in terms of what is happening in Gaza.

33:26

We've been very clear that far too

33:28

many innocent Palestinians have been killed. We

33:30

have been very clear that Israel

33:33

and the Israeli people and Palestinians

33:35

are entitled to an equal amount

33:38

of security and dignity.

33:42

And frankly, we have been very focused

33:44

on also getting the hostages out and

33:46

getting aid in. Netanyahu appears

33:48

to just be flat out ignoring

33:50

President Biden's warning about an offensive

33:52

in Rafah. Is

33:54

that a red line for your

33:56

administration? clear

34:01

in multiple conversations and in

34:03

every way that any

34:07

major military operation in RAPHA would

34:09

be a huge mistake. Let me

34:11

tell you something. I have studied

34:14

the map. There's nowhere for

34:16

those folks to go. And we're

34:18

looking at about a million and a half people in

34:20

RAPHA who are there because they were told to go

34:22

there most of them. And so

34:25

we've been very clear that it

34:27

would be a mistake to move

34:29

into RAPHA with any type of military

34:32

operation. A mistake, but would there be

34:34

consequences if he does move forward? Well,

34:36

we're going to take it one step at a time,

34:38

but we've been very clear in terms of our perspective

34:40

on whether or not that should happen. Are you ruling

34:42

out that there would be consequences from the United States?

34:46

I am ruling out nothing. I want to

34:48

ask you about the border. Did

34:51

you watch that border video down in

34:53

El Paso? And does that send a

34:55

message to Americans that the

34:57

border is secure? We are

35:00

very clear and I think most Americans are clear

35:02

that we have a broken immigration system and we

35:04

need to fix it. Members of

35:07

the United States Senate, those

35:09

considered to be very conservative with

35:11

others, came to a bipartisan resolution.

35:14

But they're refusing to put it up for

35:16

a vote. And in large

35:18

part because we know the former president

35:20

would prefer to run on a problem instead of

35:23

fix a problem. As of right now, is that

35:25

executive action on the border still on the table?

35:27

Could we see that? That

35:30

does not absolve the fact that the real fix

35:32

is going to be one Congress act. Still

35:35

on the table though. Yeah, it's for

35:37

consideration. I do want to ask you also about TikTok.

35:40

We know that bill cleared the house. You

35:42

have expressed national security concerns over TikTok,

35:44

so has the president. Why

35:47

does your campaign then have a TikTok account

35:49

where you're encouraging Americans to follow it? So

35:53

let's start with this. We do

35:55

not intend to ban TikTok. That

35:58

is not at all the goal or the purpose. of

36:00

this conversation we need to deal with the owner

36:03

and we have national security concerns about the

36:05

owner of tiktok but we have no intention

36:07

to ban tiktok in fact what it is

36:09

it serves in terms of the income generator

36:11

for many people and what it does in

36:13

terms of allowing people to share information in

36:15

a free way and a away that allows

36:17

people to have discourse is very important but

36:19

we do have concerns about

36:21

the national security applications of the owner

36:24

of tiktok and that has been our

36:26

position in terms of what i think

36:28

we need to do to address those

36:30

concerns the ban could happen it's

36:33

chinese parent company does not tell the act should

36:36

your campaign stay on tiktok with those national

36:38

security concerns that you're voicing will address that

36:40

when we come to it but right now

36:43

we are concerned about the owner of

36:45

tiktok and the national security implications we

36:47

do not intend to ban tiktok and

36:49

we understand its purpose and its utility

36:51

and the enjoyment that it gives a

36:53

lot of folks up

36:56

next a now former congressman who was

36:58

so frustrated with this function on capitol

37:00

hill that he just resigned he joins

37:02

the powerhouse roundtable will be right back

37:07

we need a new taker this is not

37:09

personal against mike jocson but

37:12

he is not doing the job the proof

37:14

is in the vote count today he passed

37:16

a budget that should have never been brought

37:18

to the floor did not represent our conference

37:20

and it was passed with the democrats and

37:22

without the majority of the majority i

37:24

think it's not only idiotic but

37:26

it's actually not taking anything

37:29

to advance the conservative and

37:32

in fact it undermines the country and

37:34

our majority there

37:37

was republican mike lala responding to

37:39

margery taylor green's threat to oust

37:41

speaker of the house mike johnson

37:43

let's bring in the powerhouse roundtable

37:45

former dnc chair donna brazil former

37:47

rnc chair and trump white house

37:50

chief of staff reinst Priebus former

37:52

colt now former colorado congressman ken

37:54

buck who just left office on

37:56

friday and washington post congressional reporter

37:58

mariana sodomayor So, Congressman, let

38:00

me start with you. You

38:03

left Congress as of Friday, just as that was

38:05

all going down. I guess that didn't cause you

38:07

to rethink your decision? Not at all. Not

38:10

at all. No rearview mirror. Happy

38:12

to move on. Dysfunctional place. I

38:14

mean, you must have been pretty intensely

38:16

frustrated to not only not run again,

38:19

but to leave early. And you're not

38:21

alone, obviously. Mike Gallagher just said he's

38:23

leaving, too. Yeah. You

38:26

know, since this Congress started, there

38:28

have been efforts to impeach the

38:30

Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense,

38:32

the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

38:35

of Staff, the President, the

38:37

Attorney General, the FBI

38:39

Director, and in fact

38:41

did impeach the Secretary of Homeland Security.

38:46

Serious problems with setting priorities. We

38:48

have a very

38:51

tragic circumstance in Ukraine. We

38:54

have a spiraling debt,

38:58

all kinds of out of control problems,

39:00

and we focus on messaging bills that

39:02

get us nowhere. Is there anything

39:04

you disagree with that he just said, Don? Well, first of

39:06

all, I want to thank the Congressman for his service. We

39:08

talked in the green room. I was a Capitol Hill

39:11

staffer, came to Washington, D.C. as an intern.

39:13

So I respect the fact that he has

39:15

served his constituents and his state.

39:18

And he's absolutely right. There's chaos.

39:20

There's so much division. Congress

39:22

is on record. It's 118th of

39:25

being the least productive in our

39:27

lifetime. So I agree that things need

39:29

to change. But that bill that was

39:32

passed, and I guess you supported it,

39:34

right? It was a compromise. No one

39:36

got what they wanted. Well, it's still

39:38

a compromise. I'm not going to

39:40

take back my word. It was a

39:42

compromise. No one got what they wanted. The

39:44

American people get to see their government work

39:46

for a change. But how

39:48

do Republicans run on this? I mean, you've had

39:50

control of the House. Look, well,

39:52

I mean, first of all, I'm a

39:56

fan of Ken Bucks, and I think we need more

39:58

Ken Bucks out there. problem. Now you

40:00

have one month. We've got. But here is

40:02

the deal though. And it's happening all over

40:04

the country. Four hundred and thirty five House

40:06

seats. Only 20 are in play. I

40:09

mean what that means is that they're

40:11

almost all really really

40:13

Democrat or all really really

40:16

Republican. Now second problem division

40:18

is pure profit. Unity

40:20

is a loser and clicks

40:23

and money. It all

40:25

works together. The two top grossing

40:27

probably members of the House or

40:29

the Senate is AOC and

40:32

Marjorie Taylor Greene because division

40:34

is pure profit. And there is

40:36

no real majority. There's no real

40:39

majority. I mean you have eight

40:41

or 10 people that that run

40:43

around the Capitol and cause chaos

40:45

for the speaker. And last thing

40:47

the speaker rules just create a

40:50

very weak speaker. The

40:52

by rule. All of that

40:54

together creates this chaos. So so

40:57

it was extraordinary to see Mike

40:59

Johnson do basically something that would normally

41:02

be totally ordinary. You know come to

41:04

an agreement with Democrats to compromise Republicans

41:06

don't control much right now.

41:08

He got some wins. He got some. There were some

41:10

losses obviously. How real is the

41:12

threat to his speakership. Well it could

41:15

become more real. I think when Republicans

41:17

Democrats come back to the House next

41:19

month they're now going to be facing

41:21

the question of helping Ukraine

41:23

Israel the Indo-Pacific possibly addressing the

41:25

border. That has been the big

41:28

question. And Congresswoman Greene has said

41:30

since early this year she would

41:32

actually move that motion to vacate

41:34

threat against Johnson if he

41:36

puts the Ukraine ball on the floor.

41:38

That seems like you happen. And he

41:40

seems like he's going to do it right.

41:42

He's he sounds you know he

41:45

sounds like Biden frankly on the

41:47

importance of coming to

41:49

to Ukraine support aid on this. Yeah.

41:51

And that is the threat of Putin.

41:53

Absolutely. And that is part of Mike Johnson being

41:56

an institutionalist. He does respect the House.

42:00

trying to function. And here's the thing.

42:02

If Marjorie Taylor Greene does move this

42:04

resolution in a privileged manner, meaning

42:06

the House must vote on it, you

42:08

know, I've been hearing from some Republicans, far-right

42:10

Republicans, including some within the Freedom Caucus, who

42:13

say they don't want to support it simply

42:15

because they don't like Marjorie Taylor Greene. But

42:17

if that question is posed to them, they're

42:19

going to have to consider, because they

42:22

are very upset with Johnson just for

42:24

compromising with the reality of a Democratic

42:26

Senate and a Democratic president in the

42:28

White House. And the margin now, with U-Gone,

42:30

Congressman Buck, with Mike Gallagher announcing that he'll

42:32

be gone effective in a couple of weeks,

42:35

you're down to—you can only afford to lose one member

42:38

on any given bill. I mean,

42:41

the Republican majority seems to be evaporating. It

42:44

is evaporating, but the reality is

42:46

also that there's very few votes that are

42:48

decided by one or two members.

42:51

And so, other than the Mallorca's

42:53

impeachment, I can't think of a

42:55

vote that went one way or the other because

42:57

of one member. They typically have to be bipartisan

42:59

at this point. I mean, we effectively are looking

43:01

at a coalition—I mean, because once again, if

43:04

this motion to vacate goes through, Democrats,

43:07

Donna, are saying they're not going to allow Marjorie

43:09

Taylor Greene to rip up

43:11

the House again. They're going to

43:13

basically support Johnson. Yeah, I mean,

43:15

why should Democrats bail out the

43:17

Republicans, unless Democrats can get something

43:19

out to do? I mean,

43:21

give Democrats a little bit of power as well,

43:23

because Democrats have been providing the vote. Look, I

43:25

think Hakeem Jeffries, like Nancy Pelosi, has

43:28

done an amazing job in keeping

43:30

the Democratic caucus together, despite the

43:32

fact that we have some hot shots and

43:34

some other ones. But at this hour, I

43:37

think the Democrats should do what they've been doing

43:39

best, which is to fight for the American people

43:41

and let all of this pettiness go, by the

43:43

wayside. The voters out

43:45

there are paying attention to this stuff.

43:47

They're not paying attention to whether Ken

43:49

Buck resigned or Mike Gallagher resigned in

43:53

this chaos. What they see is chaos, and they see it.

43:55

I mean, the approval of an economist gets down to a

43:57

place of 10%. And it's been like that for as long

43:59

as I can— But it's historically low

44:01

now. But what's missing is leadership.

44:04

What's missing is the president of the

44:06

United States saying, look, the

44:08

border's a disaster. I mean, Kamala Harris just

44:10

admitted it's a total train wreck. Well, do

44:13

something about it. Either strike a deal,

44:15

not throw Langford out there with Schumer and

44:17

run around for a month. Stand

44:19

up there and say, I'm here. I'm

44:23

going to bring back remain in Mexico. I'm going

44:25

to help build this wall. I'm going to put

44:27

people across the border that commit a felony they're

44:29

never going to cross. And I want

44:31

Ukraine funding and I want to take care of what's

44:33

happening in Israel. That's not, that doesn't

44:36

exist. The president has tried to lead. That's why

44:38

people don't support 75 percent. He has tried to

44:40

lead. The chaos is causing

44:42

a lot of angst among the American

44:44

people. Congress is as popular as a

44:46

root canal. But that shouldn't

44:48

stop Congress from addressing the problems

44:50

that are facing the American people.

44:53

And just sit back and say, I want to throw rocks because

44:56

it will get across the goal line. You've

44:59

got to lead. And the president has been leading on the board. All

45:01

right. We've got to take a quick

45:03

break when we come back. Big news this week on

45:05

the third party front. We're

45:09

back with the roundtable. So, Marianne, I want to ask you

45:12

about the No Labels

45:14

movement. There had been so much

45:16

discussion about their plans to get a bipartisan

45:18

third party ticket. It

45:21

seems like they're having a hard time finding a candidate. What's

45:23

going on? Yeah. There

45:25

was this movement, always speculation of, you know, who are they going

45:27

to get? They haven't been able

45:29

to do it yet. And here's the problem with

45:31

that. Because they've been

45:33

rejected by so many different politicians, whether

45:36

it's from the right or the

45:38

left, they're now facing

45:40

a deadline of just when a

45:43

candidate can actually be on the ballot to

45:45

actually be competitive. They have

45:47

to have a candidate to just be able to

45:49

compete. To actually get the ballot access that allowed them to

45:51

be an impact on the race. Exactly.

45:54

And yet, Donna, Democrats were for a

45:57

long time really worried about No Labels. worried

46:00

about Cornel West right now or maybe Jill

46:02

Stein again. And the DNC is

46:04

launching this effort to try to keep these candidates

46:06

or challenge their efforts to get on the ballot,

46:08

Bobby Kennedy Jr. Well, look,

46:11

there are technical issues involved in getting on

46:13

the ballot. We all know that. So

46:16

if you buy, you

46:18

know, don't make the deadline, don't have

46:20

the appropriate number of signatures, of

46:22

course you have citizens in those states that

46:24

will... This is the DNC. This isn't citizens

46:26

in those states. And let me just speak

46:29

up for the DNC if this is their

46:31

effort. 2000,

46:34

2016, we slept through those third party candidates. And

46:36

look at the results, whether it's

46:38

the 537 in Florida that Ralph Nader

46:41

competed in or Jill Stein

46:43

in 2016 in Michigan, Wisconsin

46:46

and Pennsylvania. So yes, focus

46:48

on these third party candidates

46:50

because they could draw from the...

46:53

Mr. Biden. What

46:55

do you think? I mean, you've expressed frustration

46:57

with Republicans. You are Republican. I mean, is

46:59

there an appeal here now? Well, I

47:01

think there's a great appeal. I hear from

47:04

all kinds of constituents, not just in Colorado,

47:06

but across the country, that these are the

47:08

two worst presidential candidates in modern

47:10

history. And so there is a great

47:12

frustration and appetite for a third

47:14

party candidate. Do they stand a chance? Absolutely

47:17

not. But can they draw away from some

47:19

of the candidates, depending on which side of

47:21

the spectrum they come from? Absolutely. Right.

47:24

It's a deadly situation for Democrats

47:26

because in 2016, Trump got 46

47:28

percent. 2020, he

47:32

got 47 percent. He is locked

47:35

in at those numbers.

47:37

And any introduction of

47:39

a third party, Jill Stein's now on the

47:41

ballot in Wisconsin. Bobby Kennedy is going to

47:43

announce his running mate on Tuesday. Right. And

47:46

also, so the Trump votes lock.

47:49

You've got a president that's 25

47:52

percent right track. And now you're going

47:54

to introduce people to other options. All

47:57

right. We are we're out of time. Thank you for

47:59

sharing. part of your Sunday with us. Check

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