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Good evening and hello and welcome and you're

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listening to 3 Moves a

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No CB Ahead Strategy Podcast.

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Uh. That's what

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we could call it, yeah. Yeah, it

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just rolls right off the tongue. Yeah.

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3 No CBs Ahead! 3 No CBs Ahead,

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yeah. Good one. There we go. There's 3

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times 0 is still 0 though, so it

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is still 0 total

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CBs, even if you multiply it by

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3. So, see I. So

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we've taken over. I passed high

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school now. Uh. Barely.

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Uh. I'm Len,

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I'm your host and I am

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here with Lambert. Hello

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there. And with Father Loris.

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Hello. And I

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think that this is gonna

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be not a weekly but

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like a monthly thing for at

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least the next little bit

0:56

here. If you're listening to

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this on the main 3MA feed, this'll be kind

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of a shorter preview version of the

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episode. The full extended

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discussion will be on our

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Patreon, patreon.com/3MA. But

1:09

we're kind of reviving No CB,

1:12

which was a grand strategy podcast

1:14

that I did, that we all three did

1:17

with Rose, who works at Paradox now, so

1:19

it's a conflict of interest. But we hope

1:21

she's doing well. She's been corrupted, is what

1:23

you mean. She's

1:25

joined the Troy Goodfellow club where she's not

1:27

allowed to talk about Paradox anymore because she

1:29

works at Paradox. Yeah.

1:31

But, um, yeah,

1:34

I think we're gonna be doing a

1:36

monthly check-in on, uh, no, really no

1:38

reason to beat

1:40

around the bush at this point. Europa Universalis

1:42

5, uh, it hasn't been announced by

1:44

the studio, but we all know it's coming. Wait

1:47

what? I think you

1:49

were here to talk about. The

1:54

Eagles 2, of course. It's

1:57

just gonna be another Victoria 3 complaint

1:59

cast. Uh, no, uh,

2:02

uh, that's like my mental, my missed

2:05

podcast. So

2:08

for backstory, Johan Anderson,

2:10

who created, you know,

2:12

the Eurobreeze of our Salas series

2:14

and also most of

2:17

paradoxes main franchises, uh,

2:19

he spun off a studio called paradox

2:22

Tinto and fled

2:24

to Spain, uh, in, was

2:26

it 20? Yeah.

2:30

Yeah. Um, to work

2:32

on the Europa universalis

2:35

franchise is communication. I

2:38

think, I think it was, uh, the

2:40

fire in the sun and then, then

2:42

he stops doing that. So it's about

2:44

bringing in the sun. Exactly.

2:48

You know, in a, in a place that

2:50

has much less seasonal

2:53

affective disorder. Yeah. Yeah. And,

2:56

uh, a lot more sangria. Yeah. Exactly.

2:59

Man, I should have bought some sangria for

3:02

this, for this, uh, We should next, next

3:04

time we should. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

3:07

and they've been putting out,

3:10

uh, deals or DLC for

3:12

you for, uh, you know,

3:15

uh, pretty steady clips since

3:17

then, but, uh,

3:19

in February, I believe it was,

3:21

they started releasing these dev diaries

3:23

called Tinto talks about

3:25

something called project Caesar, which

3:28

is not officially confirmed to be EU

3:31

five, but it's EU five. Yeah.

3:34

It's again, pretty obvious. I'm like,

3:36

definitely too. And then pretty much

3:38

confirmed like, there's

3:42

a guy on Twitter who like

3:44

every like us presidential election, he

3:46

posts. I've seen enough

3:49

when he feels like he knows who

3:51

won the election. And I posted, I

3:53

like, I quote tweeted that with EU

3:55

five. After I think the second Tinto

3:57

talks that like I've seen enough. Maybe

4:01

it's a huge troll, maybe they're gonna call it something

4:03

else. I don't think so because

4:05

Henrik, Ferreia, Stumdark said he hated the

4:07

name Crusader Kings during CK2's dev cycle

4:09

and they still called Crusader Kings 3

4:11

Crusader Kings 3. So no, I don't

4:13

think it's gonna be Terra Universalis or

4:15

something. I think it's gonna be called

4:17

Europa Universalis 5 just for branding purposes.

4:19

I mean this seems to happen every

4:21

time there's new leaks, right? People do

4:23

the same thing with it. Well, they

4:25

call it Bismarck. Why would they do

4:28

that? Why would they do that? Why

4:30

would they do that? It's

4:32

such a strong brand and IP

4:34

and franchise. Why

4:36

shoot yourself in the foot for the scruples

4:40

of a very small minority of people

4:42

who are –

4:44

they just don't like the Eurocentrism-mist

4:46

nature of the name. But

4:49

I don't know, this is the period

4:51

where Europe kind of won. So

4:54

it kind of makes sense. Yeah,

4:57

it's not called Europa Universalis and that's

4:59

good and they deserve it. It's

5:03

kind of objectively true that Europe

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just painted everything all over

5:07

the map during this time

5:10

period. Speaking of which, I

5:12

should reread Brett Devereaux's post about why

5:14

Europe. Because that would be

5:16

an interesting question. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well,

5:19

we should try to get Brett on

5:22

one of these episodes. I still talk to him

5:24

occasionally. I'd love

5:26

to hear – especially once we know more about

5:28

the core design, I'd love to hear his thoughts

5:30

on what it's shaping up to be. Yeah,

5:33

that would be great. Yeah, so there's

5:35

– Johan

5:37

has said he has plans for Dev

5:39

Diaries for a while. So assuming there's

5:42

four of them, four to five of

5:44

them a month, I think we'll have

5:46

plenty to talk about if we do

5:48

a monthly episode versus the

5:50

latter days of the original run of

5:53

NoCB when we didn't even really

5:55

care about it at all. Yeah.

5:57

Yeah. just

6:00

kind of developed into this. What

6:04

crap has Victoria 3 put out this week?

6:06

Let's get on it for a little while.

6:08

I want to put a monologue about, you

6:11

know, Hearts of Iron, because I don't think

6:13

anybody else has played it in six months.

6:19

Or more. But we're all pretty excited

6:21

about EU5. Oh, yeah,

6:23

yeah. I mean, EU has been

6:25

like my main game for a very long

6:27

time. I had that brief stint with Imperator.

6:29

It should totally be revived, by the way.

6:31

But EU was still like the

6:35

game that got me into Paradox

6:37

games properly and into strategy games

6:39

properly. And I

6:42

mean, I've got 8000 hours in it, and that's not

6:45

an endanger of stopping until this game comes

6:47

out. Yeah, same. It's certainly very close to

6:49

my heart. I mean, EU3 was my first

6:51

Paradox game I played, and that was like

6:54

right off the bat of like

6:56

being really disappointed in Civilization 5,

6:59

and I was looking around for like strategy games. I

7:01

think it was just before Design Wind came out. It

7:03

was around the centre. I've

7:05

even got like a little ritual now.

7:07

So like when I first booted up

7:09

EU3, I first played as Holland.

7:12

And in homage to that,

7:14

I played as Holland for the first time in EU4,

7:17

and I can't wait to just click on Holland and

7:19

then instantly pick off it in EU5. As

7:22

we mentioned. Ah,

7:24

yeah, it's... I

7:27

mean, Lambert's hours blow mine

7:29

out of the water, but it is my

7:32

most played game ever on Steam by a

7:34

stretch. I'm sitting

7:36

at 2189 right now, which

7:39

the only thing that even comes close is

7:42

Crusader Kings 2, which is at like 1700 hours.

7:46

But I think I posted about... Oh,

7:50

let me see if I can find this. Like

7:52

I've played more EU4 than

7:55

I have all of the following games

7:57

combined. Civilization 5...

8:00

Civilization 6, Stardew

8:03

Valley, all the versions

8:05

of Skyrim, you know, the remaster,

8:07

the super double remaster. One

8:10

on the microwave? Yeah, exactly. How about

8:12

your calculator, Skyrim? Smart

8:14

fridge version. Cities

8:17

Skylines 1 and 2, and then here's the big

8:19

one. Every Total War game I

8:21

own on Steam. I love getting those up.

8:25

And it's still less hours than I played

8:27

it. Like saying I've got more than two,

8:29

it's like, oh, I've added one hour. Right?

8:32

It's about total. So

8:35

I just went and looked at

8:37

my Steam plate. My second place

8:39

game is Imperator, obviously. But

8:43

I don't know how much you know

8:45

about my, like, history, but I, Lord

8:48

Lambert is what I go by now, but I used to be Lambert 2191.

8:53

And I've got 2191 hours in Imperator Rome, and

8:55

I feel like I should never play that again.

8:59

You have more hours in Imperator than I

9:01

do in EU4, that's wild. I

9:04

am. Yeah, like slightly more. Yeah,

9:07

I mean... Well,

9:10

I'm a dud to someone. I

9:12

just keep it loaded while I'm doing work in the

9:14

background, you know, I don't actually play the game that

9:16

much. Sorry. I've

9:19

got a good one, sorry. I

9:22

kind of feel like EU4 is the goat,

9:24

right? Right, like it might not be everybody's

9:26

favorite game, but I think if you had

9:28

to like, like if we were

9:30

talking about strategy games the way people

9:32

talk about sports players, I

9:35

think greatest of all time, like

9:37

the consensus would

9:39

probably be EU4. Like,

9:41

I don't know, maybe you could finish

9:43

for that. I get a bit stolby

9:45

about EU4 too, it's like, you

9:48

know, it's like, you know, oh, sorry, you play

9:50

Crusader Kings. That's sweet, that's nice, but you know,

9:52

I'm the elite. I play EU4,

9:54

you know what I mean. Enjoy

9:57

your characters, you know. For

10:03

me, it's very much that like,

10:05

like that top gear meme of

10:07

like, this is brilliant, but I

10:09

love this like, Crusader Kings more,

10:11

you know, as

10:13

the I but I like this part of it,

10:15

but I have to give it up to you

10:17

for as like, just like

10:19

the elegance of it, like, and

10:21

it holds up like I played a ton of

10:24

anbanar in the last two years, I have not

10:26

played vanilla since I think

10:28

like Domination or Leviathan, they're all just generic

10:30

names at this point. So I'm not sure

10:32

which one is which. Domination,

10:36

Leviathan, King of Kings, they're

10:38

all just miscellaneous grab bag

10:41

expansions. Well, that

10:43

kind of really

10:45

is telling on what is happening down

10:47

at Tinto though, because all

10:50

of the expansions since like 2021

10:52

have all been things that could

10:54

have been made by modders, they're mostly

10:57

missionary stuff with very,

10:59

very little in the way

11:02

of mechanics and

11:04

things that need to be

11:06

coded, potentially, maybe because all

11:08

of these programmer coder people that can

11:10

do that kind of magic stuff that

11:12

I have no idea about are all

11:15

working on EU five. Yeah, yeah. But

11:18

then, but then the thing is, like,

11:20

I loaded up vanilla EU for, for

11:22

the first time in years, like a couple weeks

11:24

ago, because I was just like, all

11:27

I can think about is the five I need

11:29

to I need to do something to get this.

11:31

That's the edge. And I was just like, you

11:33

know what, Portugal, like super basic, I'm like, man,

11:35

this game holds up. Like this

11:37

12 year old game, like it really

11:39

does hold up like telling

11:42

because there are things

11:46

in EU for that I like

11:48

mechanics that I hate, right, but

11:50

I absolutely despise. But it's

11:52

still my favorite game. There are things

11:54

that I really wish were

11:57

different and I actively dislike

11:59

being a part of it, but

12:01

I will still play it because

12:03

the rest of the game, that

12:06

whole is just so much better

12:08

than anything else that any other

12:10

game offers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

12:13

mean, even at its lowest, like after

12:16

the biophant, right, I was still, despite

12:19

everything, you know, because that was a

12:21

terrible expansion, but like, it was still pretty

12:23

good. Even at the

12:26

lowest points, it was still pretty good. Yeah,

12:31

that's all right. Yeah, well, and like

12:33

a lot of the mechanics

12:35

that I don't like a lot in EU4,

12:37

like they've already

12:40

solved it. Like stability, Imperator

12:42

solved it. Imperator fixed stability.

12:45

Like, just put that in EU5. It's

12:47

done. Like, you know, like stability

12:50

resting point and it's like

12:52

impossible to keep it at the cap. It's

12:54

just fixed, you know, so. Manner

12:57

also fixed it. Imperator fixed it.

13:00

Yeah, development. Yeah. Like

13:03

it, Imperator fixed it. I

13:05

thought, okay, what part of

13:07

the things that I dislike about EU

13:09

were not fixed by Imperator? The

13:12

only thing on that list is trade. I

13:15

don't like EU4 trade. Imperator

13:17

didn't fix it. So come on, Johan,

13:19

give us Tinto Talks live. Tell us

13:21

about the trade. So there

13:24

is a little bit on, I

13:26

think it's the second Dev Diary where

13:30

he mentions, finally

13:33

we have, skipping ahead a little bit,

13:35

we have what we currently call passages. These

13:37

are land locations that cannot be settled

13:40

by anyone, but can still be traversed

13:42

by an army with some insanely heavy

13:44

attrition or allow trade to pass through.

13:48

Maybe that means dynamic trade routes.

13:50

Please, I hope it means dynamic

13:53

trade routes. If

13:55

trade is passing through a, okay,

13:57

here's my crackpot theory. What

14:00

if trade is... That

14:02

is some waiting on level

14:04

sludge back bullshit I cannot

14:06

be doing with any more

14:08

crackpot theories Please, I... Okay,

14:12

okay. What if trade,

14:14

since these are provinces, is unit

14:17

based? What if there's trade units but move around

14:19

the map? If

14:22

they require the province to move trade around Well

14:25

if you get caravans and stuff like

14:27

that then move. So

14:30

the way that I would think that it would work because of

14:32

how pops are

14:34

going to work, which we're going to get into yes

14:36

it has pops and

14:39

what Johanna said about designing for

14:41

things to have minimal

14:43

performance impact I

14:45

feel like a trade route will be a thing with a size,

14:48

with goods on it that

14:50

can be of any size it could

14:53

be a thousand furs or one fur

14:56

and it would have the same performance impact that's

14:58

kind of how I

15:01

feel like it would make the most sense but

15:03

yeah, I don't know because I

15:05

think if you're tracking each trade

15:07

good as an individual unit that would

15:09

destroy performance Yeah, it would need to

15:11

be more like how pops work where

15:13

it's like it doesn't matter if

15:15

this pop is size one or size a billion it

15:18

doesn't really affect the performance because the

15:20

pops in this game are coded

15:23

different I almost

15:25

said something a little bit more disparaging

15:31

What you're looking for is better,

15:34

better perhaps I mean

15:36

we haven't played it yet but this

15:38

is what Johanna is saying so

15:40

I hope he can back that up with a

15:44

game that he says is going to

15:46

run much better than Victoria

15:50

3 does and I hope that he's right but

15:53

he suggests that very little I mean he's been

15:55

pretty you know,

15:57

unhinged when it comes to that to

16:00

yes what I'm making is better

16:02

than this all right he's he's

16:05

not been holding back let's say okay

16:07

yeah like I don't I don't

16:09

want to like go for go ahead

16:11

sorry yeah it does make sense cuz like

16:13

Victoria Fried like as saying

16:15

earlier this wasn't recorded it does

16:18

hang around like

16:20

paradoxes neck quite a lot so as

16:22

soon as pops were mentioned of course

16:24

people are gonna worry right they're

16:26

gonna worry yeah they're gonna say

16:28

with Vicki Frees like performances so

16:31

that has to be stated make that it

16:33

makes sense right like I I want Victoria

16:35

3 to be an amazing I want Victoria

16:37

3 and EU 5 to be an amazing

16:39

game I don't want to like pick

16:42

a sports team where it's like I want you

16:44

to succeed in Victoria to

16:46

fail I want them both yeah awesome but I

16:49

do think you go ahead has been

16:51

critical of Victoria 3 and

16:55

you know yeah some of the things he

17:00

has said that he is critical of

17:02

are also problems that

17:05

I have with with where Victoria

17:07

3 is I completely agree like

17:09

he's like so it's completely justified

17:12

like yeah I mean I'll I'll

17:14

even come out and say that like I

17:17

had kind of a honeymoon period with Victoria

17:19

3 where I was enjoying it a lot

17:21

and at this point it's like that's very

17:23

much over like I think my if

17:26

I was doing a steam review on it

17:28

I would probably it would probably be at

17:31

like mixed or slightly negative right yeah so

17:33

same here I'm very I'm very done

17:41

yeah you post like

17:43

when I said victorious I

17:46

don't know if Victoria 3 is

17:48

fixable now I remember you posted

17:50

a gif in our group chat

17:52

that was the girl yeah it's

17:54

like the girl watching looking girl

17:56

so the girl with the fire

17:58

behind here she totally set that far, let's

18:00

be honest. But I did

18:02

not burn down Vicky 3, so

18:05

I feel like it's entirely accurate.

18:07

It's just that your opinion on

18:09

it at lunch ended up being

18:12

closer to what my opinion is

18:14

now than what my opinion of

18:16

it was at lunch. That's the thing, this is

18:18

why I'm so jealous of Lambo, because what it

18:20

feels like is, like, we're in the Looney Tunes,

18:22

right? And Lambo is the lucky

18:25

guy who's had the piano drop on his

18:27

head, and he was just crushed instantly. Me

18:29

and the Anakin, we are stuck under a

18:31

slow-moving steamroller. It's

18:33

endless years of oil and

18:35

torment for us.

18:37

You know, you're in a much better situation

18:39

than Lambo. Yeah,

18:42

that's certainly a way

18:44

of describing the situation. Again, I

18:47

want it to be fixable. I

18:49

just don't know if it is.

18:52

I am not confident at this point

18:54

that it is fixable. But

18:57

I want it to be, you know. Where

19:02

I am right now is, I

19:05

don't care. I'm

19:08

done. I had

19:10

my opium, I had my copium, and

19:12

now I'm

19:14

huffing Dunium or whatever. I don't

19:16

care anymore. You've become like a

19:18

Vicky 3 Bodhisattva. You have let

19:20

go of all the time. I'm

19:27

zen with it. Vicky

19:31

8 full pass. We

19:36

tried so hard to make this let's

19:38

not crap on Vicky 3. We've

19:41

got a little bit. So

19:45

let's talk about what we know about U5

19:48

or Project Caesar or I don't know.

19:50

Maybe they'll troll us and call it something different.

19:55

We have seen the world map. There

19:57

are what 27? thousand

20:02

something what was

20:05

the exact number?

20:08

I was posting notes in the chat and then we

20:10

ended up talking for a very long time about Victoria

20:12

and Imperator. 27,500 locations which some of

20:14

those might

20:19

be like wasteplands or like those passages

20:21

that they're talking about. And

20:24

probably two provinces too I would have thought.

20:27

Like if I was marketing I would want

20:29

to bump those numbers up so I didn't

20:31

do anything I could. So EU4 has about

20:34

4,284 just land provinces including

20:40

or excluding wastelands. If you include

20:42

sea provinces and wastelands it's

20:44

right up or it's a little bit less than 5,000 total. So it's

20:46

about 6 to 6.5 times as dense

20:48

as EU4's map is which we can

20:55

see specific examples in some

20:58

of the screenshots like Cyprus

21:00

which is a single province in EU4

21:03

is seven locations in EU5. I'm just

21:06

going to call it EU5 I don't

21:08

care at this point. It's much easier.

21:10

I'm not going to say projects either

21:13

I'm just going to say as far

21:15

as 3MA is concerned it's EU5. Imperator

21:17

has around about 8,000 as

21:21

well. Like

21:26

8,100 or something along those

21:28

lines. But obviously that doesn't include

21:30

any of the Americas. It doesn't include

21:32

anything in China, anything

21:34

north of Poland. So it's

21:37

more condensed than

21:42

what we can see in

21:44

project C0E5 here. But

21:47

it kind

21:50

of suits that more and I don't think that's a

21:52

negative that there isn't as much density

21:54

as Imperator in

21:57

E5. It doesn't faze me on that front.

22:00

Yeah, Imperator is a bit more

22:02

dense. I also like that Imperator is a little

22:05

bit meaner with terrain. Like

22:08

we were comparing the bulk in

22:10

Peninsula and like the Peloponnese in

22:12

Imperator versus what

22:15

we've seen of EU5 so far. And like there's

22:17

some impassable mountains on the EU5 map,

22:20

but it's not as many. And I

22:23

kind of like having more impassable

22:25

mountains personally. I'm an impassable mountains

22:28

fan. An enjoyer, one

22:30

could say. Yeah.

22:32

You know what? I'm not a fan

22:34

of the mountain passes. I hope they

22:36

don't come from Imperator. It'd

22:38

be uncolluizable mountain

22:40

passes. I think

22:43

we've already been told that those are

22:45

in. Yeah, right. If you look at

22:47

how they've done like the Sahara or

22:49

like, I mean the entire

22:51

Congo rainforest is just a

22:54

giant impassable blob. The Amazon

22:56

is like two giant blobs with like

22:58

a tiny little passageway through

23:01

part of it. And then like the

23:03

Sahara is like these big puzzle

23:05

pieces with like little trade

23:08

routes running through them. You know what actually?

23:10

I might revise that opinion actually because the

23:12

reason I didn't like it mainly was because

23:14

when you're playing in Tibet and Imperator you

23:16

just stuck it in Tibet and you can't

23:19

go to India. But if you're playing for

23:21

the rest of the world, I don't care

23:23

because you know from Tibet, I don't particularly

23:25

want to go to India. Tibet,

23:28

universalis. Yeah. Yeah. So

23:30

maybe it'll be okay.

23:32

Yeah, yeah. I feel

23:34

like Greece should have a little bit or

23:37

like Greece slash Epirus

23:39

like that region should have more,

23:41

be more

23:43

mountainous. I kind of feel like Vietnam should

23:45

be a little bit more mountainous just based

23:48

on what we've seen so far. It should

23:50

be a little bit less than Imperator though

23:52

because think about it Imperator is like 2000

23:54

years. True. With 1800 years before this game

23:57

is. set,

24:00

and we'll talk about that in

24:02

a bit, I'm sure, but there

24:05

would be more advanced

24:09

roadways and such bringing people

24:11

into and out of those

24:14

mountainous areas in this

24:16

period versus, you know, 300 BC. So

24:20

it makes a little bit of sense

24:22

that there isn't absolutely everywhere the same

24:24

level of impassability

24:26

as Imperator, but

24:28

a little bit more would still be

24:31

nice. That makes sense. There's like natural

24:33

locks too, like, you know, if there's

24:35

impasses and the Perides

24:37

or something, that's a natural lock

24:39

between like France and Spain. Yeah,

24:41

they hadn't even invented climbing in

24:43

the Imperator time. Oh

24:45

yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, what this is

24:48

perfect, it's not a 90 degree angle, what are

24:50

we going to do? Well,

24:52

I mean, you've played

24:54

Total War Games recently, right? Aren't

24:57

they able to just pull ladders out of

24:59

their butts now? They

25:01

didn't need any extras,

25:03

they could just use the butt ladders. Yeah,

25:05

well no, it's like the chariots in Warhammer

25:07

3 where like if there's a slight incline,

25:10

they'll just like fall off and blow up.

25:12

That's what used to happen. Yeah.

25:15

So. Anything

25:23

you guys want to plug?

25:26

I'll put this in the free part of the episode.

25:28

So if you're now just now rejoining us, go

25:31

look and see how long the full episode is

25:34

on Patreon. I think you're

25:36

getting your money's worth this month.

25:38

Oh yeah. But to you

25:40

freeloaders just now rejoining us.

25:45

Lambert, where can people find your stuff? I

25:48

am Lord Lambert on YouTube. I

25:51

play EU4, funnily enough. But

25:55

also I've been going over these Tinto

25:57

talks individually with... every

26:00

week and will continue to

26:02

do so with as much detail as I

26:04

can manage. It'll probably be expanded on

26:06

when we do these three hour massive

26:09

dives though. But

26:12

also I play a lot of

26:15

Anbana multiplayer over on Twitch, LordLambert

26:17

underscore over there. And

26:21

Lawrence, where can people find your stuff? chapelcomic.com

26:24

is my website and you'll find a bunch

26:26

of links at the bottom of my website

26:29

there for like Reddit, on Twitter I'm Telvaloris.

26:32

I just talk comics about mostly

26:34

EU4 at the moment. It's

26:37

so good. But I'll have comics

26:40

up for EU4. I'll make them

26:42

picky free I'm thinking in

26:44

the future too. I'm looking

26:46

forward to that one. Yeah.

26:48

I mean, I don't know. There's a

26:50

few ideas I've got. But at

26:53

the moment I'm on a EU4 binge.

26:55

So I'm looking forward to the Dev

26:57

Diaries for EU4 and you can see my comics at the bottom of

27:00

those Dev Diaries too. There

27:03

you go. Yeah.

27:06

Three no CDs

27:08

ahead is good. If

27:11

my listeners like you on Patreon, if you

27:13

are listening this on the extended Patreon cut

27:15

and you made it this far, congratulations.

27:19

Yeah. I

27:21

hope your long car trip or

27:23

your long hike or whatever it

27:25

is that we had that you had

27:29

to be doing to listen to us

27:31

talk about a game that isn't even out yet for

27:33

this long. Especially

27:38

thanks to our Patreon producers Mark

27:40

M and Bucktown. You

27:45

can get access to the

27:48

rest of this episode if you are

27:50

just now listening to the preview version

27:52

as well as our Discord server and

27:54

our multiplayer community. We're playing

27:56

some multiplayer in Benar right now. So if you're

27:58

a EU fan. You

28:00

can get in on that. I'm

28:05

just up in the North as

28:07

a Karak Doomfroer playing single player Dwarf

28:09

Fortress and it's great. It's a

28:12

good time. It is a

28:14

good time. Yeah. What

28:17

else do I say at the

28:19

end of the episode? At

28:23

3amam twitter we'll

28:26

probably be doing one of these monthly as I

28:28

said at the beginning of the show. I don't

28:31

think they will generally come out to three and

28:33

a half hours because there was a lot of

28:35

stuff like this start date discussed that like that's

28:38

not going to be new information that we're going

28:40

to get again. So we're talking about.

28:42

Victoria 3 is also out of our system now.

28:45

I don't know. I don't

28:47

really buy that. No I don't

28:50

either. Yeah. We

28:53

should get some cash. We

28:56

should. I would love to get Brett

28:58

Devereaux on one of these. Yeah. Especially

29:00

once we know more about the design

29:02

of the socioeconomic stuff. I'd

29:04

love to get Jay. Yeah I'm a bad

29:07

guy. I

29:09

want to get Emil and Evel to talk

29:11

about. Yeah I was willing to get much

29:13

access to the code. He's clearly been working

29:15

on the Nardu and has access to the

29:17

source code. Because if he's

29:19

under embargo then we're just going to be

29:22

torturing him for two hours. Maybe

29:25

he can talk and abstract her. Tell us some

29:27

things you would like to put in

29:30

Nardu. Yeah.

29:36

Cool. We'll

29:38

be back with another episode of 3MA

29:40

next week. We'll be back with another

29:42

edition of whatever this is next month.

29:45

And thanks for listening. Bye

29:47

bye.