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Tim's gone. He's

1:01

left us to consult on urgent national

1:03

security matters. We're

1:06

not allowed to talk about what it is. You

1:08

can all speculate, you know Tim's expertise, you

1:11

know his contacts in government, you know who

1:13

would probably tap him to really

1:15

address some pressing issues. Yeah, but

1:17

I'm not really a speculator, so I'm not gonna

1:19

make too many guesses. It's

1:22

classified, we can't address it publicly or ever,

1:24

probably will be declassified in what do you

1:26

think, 2085. Yeah.

1:29

Tim will be back, don't worry. Tonight

1:32

you're here with me, I'm Hannah Klare, Kingsley and

1:34

Ian are both here still. So we're gonna get

1:36

in some news, we're gonna take some callers. I

1:38

pulled up this story, which I am super excited

1:40

about because it just seems so ridiculous and slightly

1:42

petty. So Vermont lawmaker

1:44

apologizes for repeatedly pouring water in her

1:46

colleague's bag. There's a picture of it

1:48

here. It's a tote bag that would

1:50

hang in the hallway of the State

1:53

House in Vermont. And apparently representative

1:56

Mary Morrissey publicly apologized to

1:58

State Representative Jim Cahn. other

4:00

ways, but this is such a specific act.

4:02

Like you just pour a glass

4:04

of water on somebody's bag every time you

4:06

walk by. Like what, what

4:09

was she thinking? And also when did she like, what

4:11

inspired this? I really need some in-depth journalism here. I

4:14

wish I'm not the guy for that. I can tell you that

4:16

much. Do you ever have something happen like this in your workplace?

4:18

No, not like this. Not that I, not off the top of

4:20

my head. Have you? No, not that I

4:22

can think of. I don't think so. It's

4:24

just like destruction of property. Right.

4:27

Consistent. And maybe it wasn't destroying

4:29

anything, but I mean, you pour water on something. You could

4:31

basically destroy it. Yeah. What's in there. I

4:34

just think this is funny. Like, do you think it's pretty funny?

4:36

Do you think we're going to see more of this punishing

4:39

their colleagues in the workplace? Absolutely.

4:41

I mean, this like kind of

4:43

just insane unhinged behavior reminds me

4:45

of the recent exchange on the

4:47

house floor, um, between

4:49

MTG and representative Crockett, you know,

4:52

yelling at each other about butch

4:54

bodies and eyelashes and like, it's

4:56

just like the total degradation of

4:59

basically like decorum that we used

5:01

to have from our representatives, both

5:03

state elected officials and, you

5:06

know, members of Congress. My first thought

5:08

with this, like, this is like elementary school

5:10

stuff. Like what you would do is like pour peanut,

5:12

put peanut butter on your friend's book. If you didn't

5:14

like him or something or some girl you liked or

5:16

something like that. Do you think Americans are

5:18

more petty now than ever is pettiness

5:21

on the rise in America? I think

5:23

Americans are more immature than ever. And

5:25

you see it in different ways. It's like

5:27

you see the Disney adults, right? Where and

5:29

the Peter Pan syndrome people talk about with

5:31

men. It's just, I don't know

5:33

exactly why it is, but I feel like

5:35

there's just like mass

5:38

immaturity and people who haven't

5:40

grown up. And I don't know why that is

5:42

necessarily. Maybe it's just the nanny state and they've

5:44

been babied so they never had to take adult

5:46

responsibility. Um, but yeah, sometimes I

5:49

think it's vanity culture. People are so fearful

5:51

of aging that they then fear it in

5:53

our aspects of life. Like they don't

5:55

want to look older. They don't want to seem

5:57

older. They want, don't want to take on adult

5:59

responsibilities. people are deferring having children because they

6:01

want to spend their incomes on themselves. Like

6:04

any signs that possibly you could be

6:06

growing up are sort of abhorrent

6:08

to a lot of people. And I think

6:10

that actually happens on both sides of the

6:12

political persuasion, but it leaves our

6:14

country with a lot of immature people. Yeah,

6:17

that's how I feel. Like I'm immature in a lot of

6:19

ways. I was telling you before the show earlier, like I'm

6:22

living the life of luxury, like everything, the

6:25

physical things, but I have, my purpose is

6:27

kind of like, what's the point? I can

6:29

wake up five days in a row and

6:31

play video games or write a book or

6:33

just make stuff, but what am I really

6:35

producing without the kids involved? But

6:37

then it's like to think, to embark

6:39

on that path without a partner that

6:41

gets it in lockstep is like the

6:43

exhaustion that comes in is just the

6:45

idea of trying to raise a kid

6:47

without the right partner. And

6:50

so I'm like, well, wait for the partner, but then I

6:52

gotta set myself up for that. I think family does give

6:54

people purpose. I think it's a huge, one

6:56

of the big cultural losses, the fact that

6:58

we don't value the family, and instead we

7:00

worship at the alter of quote, professionalism,

7:03

right? Like people put this

7:06

careerism ahead of everything else. And I

7:08

think it really blurs your ability

7:10

to judge what is really going to bring you joy

7:12

and happiness at the end of life. I

7:15

respect people who work hard. I think people who have professional

7:17

ambitions are great, but I don't

7:19

think that everything you do in life

7:21

should revolve around basically your employer. I

7:24

think you have to have purpose outside

7:26

of your office. No,

7:29

I think 100%, like when you're on

7:31

your death bed, you're not gonna be like, wow, I'm

7:33

so glad that I went from manager to

7:36

associate director. You just wanna be surrounded by

7:38

your family and look at your kids, because

7:40

that is, I think, your legacy. A lot

7:42

of people, they're fearful,

7:44

I think, of death because they're like, once I'm

7:46

gone, there's nothing left, but your kids can kind

7:49

of carry on that memory. And I think that

7:51

that's something that's really powerful and should be aspirational

7:53

for a lot of people. But of course, it's

7:55

difficult when society's telling you that it's bad and

7:57

the root of all evil. and you should just

8:00

be a cog in a corporate machine. But

8:02

I think people are starting to wake up to

8:05

that. I think there has been like a pro

8:07

family awakening. Yeah, you were never like a corporate

8:09

climber from what I know. Why

8:11

do you think, like how has

8:13

your view on family shifted over time? Well,

8:16

I was never really a corporate

8:18

climber, but I was an actor, so I didn't wanna have

8:20

kids. It just wasn't part of my MO for the first

8:22

30 years or something, I was like, I can have kids

8:24

when I'm older and I can focus on my career. Because

8:26

if I gotta go 5.30 in the morning

8:29

to eight o'clock at night, Monday through Friday for my

8:31

job, which is like if I'm on a TV show,

8:33

that's my job, I'm not gonna be seeing that kid

8:35

very much. So I kinda

8:38

put it off a little bit, but

8:40

only in the last four or five years, probably

8:43

doing this show a lot, have I

8:45

really like seen the

8:47

purpose or like, I've

8:49

got a lot of friends that have kids and

8:51

my parents are great and like, I want

8:55

to do it. I don't even know

8:57

what it is exactly, having kids. I

8:59

just know that it's part of like,

9:01

I don't know, something bigger and greater

9:03

than self-reflection over and over again, I

9:05

mean at least like changing someone else.

9:08

But you're saying like in the last four, so like basically

9:10

when you got to your 40s, you were like, this is

9:12

actually something I wanna prioritize now. Yeah, it was probably when

9:14

I was like 42 or 41. Because

9:17

I feel like for women, that realization has to come

9:19

earlier or it comes like, if it comes at 40,

9:22

it's very, very difficult to have your own children

9:24

at that point. Yeah, definitely and

9:26

that's why I think you're seeing like more

9:28

and more videos on TikTok and Instagram and

9:30

stuff of women being like, it's like becoming

9:32

too late for me and I bought into

9:35

the lies of feminism and now I'm just

9:37

like, I'm worried because I do have that

9:39

time constraint and I do have the

9:41

biological clock that men necessarily don't have.

9:44

So I think that it's definitely, yeah,

9:46

there's more pressure on women I think than

9:48

men to realize, oh, I gotta be pro-family,

9:51

I gotta pro-create, I have to actually actively

9:53

make these things a priority in my life

9:56

or I'm like in a missed the boat. Yeah, I

9:58

think it's difficult too because. if

10:01

you want to be married and have a family, you need to be

10:04

with a man who is also like, yes, this is a

10:06

priority as well. I

10:08

think it's so interesting

10:10

to see our culture, I

10:14

feel like the left has co-opted the

10:17

word family and community, they talk about

10:19

these things, but if you want to

10:21

build your own, you're going against feminism,

10:24

you're potentially contributing to environmental

10:26

decline, it is something that is bad to

10:28

do, yet they're always talking about like, oh,

10:30

chosen family, or you gotta give back

10:32

to your community without actually wanting people to build it

10:34

on their own. I find that very,

10:36

very weird. Yeah. I

10:39

don't know if you guys ever, there's a phenomenon,

10:41

it was kind of scary to become a leader,

10:43

to go from being a follower to being a

10:45

leader, because when you're a leader, if

10:47

you make a mistake, there's

10:50

no check to be like, well, we're

10:52

not gonna let that mistake go forward, because you're

10:54

the leader, you made the mistake, everyone's affected by

10:56

it. So, it kind

10:58

of like becoming a father is kind of like stepping

11:00

to that leadership position, like, if I fuck this kid's

11:03

life up, dude, I can fuck my own life up,

11:05

I can recover, but if I end up doing that

11:07

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kid, like, that's a scary

11:39

risk. Maybe most people don't think about it

11:41

or don't feel like that, but it feels

11:43

like that for me. I think too now

11:46

there's more challenges for parents than ever before,

11:48

so it is definitely becoming a very daunting

11:50

task. I was just the other day, you

11:52

know, at home, watching a show that was

11:54

like, not necessarily an adult show, like definitely

11:56

PG and really inappropriate commercials.

11:58

are just coming on, you know, every single

12:00

commercial break. And I was literally sitting there

12:02

wondering, like, if my kid were here, how

12:04

would I explain this to them? Like, this

12:06

is just crazy. The kind of stuff that

12:08

they're gonna run into online, see on TV,

12:10

on their TikTok feeds, it's really bad stuff.

12:13

And to be able to protect them from

12:15

that and give them a semblance of a

12:17

normal childhood, you know, the one that we

12:19

had when we were all growing up, it's

12:21

difficult and I think it's challenging. So we

12:23

have to have people that are willing to rise

12:25

to that challenge, but I understand what you're saying

12:28

with, it can be daunting. I think it is

12:30

daunting because you're irresponsible for someone else. And especially

12:32

if you're in a married unit, you are responsible

12:34

if like, you know, if you're the male provider,

12:36

you're responsible for a lot of people. And I

12:39

think people, again, want to not take responsibility. The

12:41

view that is something either they are incapable of

12:43

doing, which is probably not true, or they don't

12:45

want to do, which is sort of sad because

12:47

you're shutting yourself out from something that's potentially great.

12:49

What you're saying about the commercials makes me think

12:52

about what the certain general just said here

12:54

that Op-Ed in New York Times saying, we

12:56

should have warnings on social media because social

12:58

media is so devastating to the brains of

13:00

young adults and teenagers. I don't know if

13:02

you guys saw that. No. Let

13:05

me look, I think I can pull it up. Oh

13:07

gosh. Yeah, I absolutely believe that.

13:09

I mean, it definitely is. And

13:12

all of these, you know, TikTok and

13:14

everyone else, their algorithms are designed to

13:17

be so addictive. Oh yeah.

13:19

I think that's, you know, that's really

13:21

detrimental for kids. That's like

13:23

an ethics conversation of, is

13:25

it ethical? How addictive could it be? Yeah,

13:28

well, so I'm just pulling this up from the Washington

13:30

Post. So in general calls for social media warning labels.

13:32

Vivek Murthy said, a call to

13:34

action comes as regulators scrutinize links

13:36

between social media use and children's

13:39

mental health amid scientific debate. And

13:41

I remember reading this, you know, it goes

13:43

on to say, he wrote this opinion piece

13:46

for the New York Times and he urged

13:48

Congress to take action to

13:50

requiring that social media platforms include a

13:52

certain general's warning to quote, regularly remind

13:54

parents and adolescents that social

13:56

media has not been proved safe. He

13:58

cited a Gallup poll. where teenagers

14:01

talked about the fact that it was

14:03

addictive, that there were problems. They

14:05

say that after

14:07

three hours, the teenagers are

14:10

increasingly more likely to develop anxiety and

14:12

depression if they're using social media for

14:14

three hours every day. And the average

14:16

teenager uses social media for I think

14:19

it's five and a half hours every

14:21

day. So we already know that most

14:23

teenagers are at increased risk to develop

14:26

adverse mental health effects because of their

14:28

habitual use of social media. I mean,

14:30

it's an interesting thing. So this was compared to,

14:32

you know, if you had a warning on a

14:35

cigarette pack saying you're gonna get a black lung

14:37

or whatever. It's a surgeon, that's interesting.

14:40

For electronic addiction,

14:42

it's a surgeon, like an actual health

14:44

surgeon that's gotta make a claim about

14:47

this electronic. I don't know, are

14:49

there other electronic programs that have

14:51

been classified as dangerous for the surgeon

14:54

general? I don't think so. From him? I

14:56

don't think so. I mean, this would be a

14:59

unique thing. But again, like to

15:01

Kingsley's point, people today are

15:03

facing challenges that even your parents' generation

15:05

didn't have to face. Like with the

15:07

rapid rise of technology, with the way

15:09

television has changed, with the way streaming

15:11

services has changed, people are having to

15:13

parent in a day and age where

15:15

really all of these things that theoretically

15:17

we could use for good things. I'm

15:19

not trying to be a technophobe, but

15:21

ultimately they are often used to target

15:23

and exploit your children. As a parent,

15:25

you have to be on guard against

15:27

that. Serge

15:30

wants to go to Collars, he's giving me a signal. He thinks he

15:32

runs this show. But yeah,

15:34

let's put someone in. Serge,

15:36

I'm in charge here. I specifically

15:38

claim the seat when Tim was

15:40

abducted by, we won't say, classified

15:43

briefing. Your hair really actually looks good tonight,

15:45

Serge, by the way. I know

15:47

I say that sometimes. Oh, it's all good. I

15:49

appreciate it, man. All right, let's talk to Ben

15:51

Co. Ben Co, how you doing?

15:54

Howdy, howdy, guys. First time, long time.

15:56

How y'all doing? Hey, Ben. Excellent, dude.

15:59

Okay, my question. The question is for Hannah Claire. The

16:02

Army Corps is attempting to get

16:04

Congress currently to authorize the seizing

16:06

and flooding of roughly 50,000 acres

16:09

of private property in Florida on a

16:12

false premise. This includes my family's land.

16:15

They've been trying to seize mine in

16:17

my neighbor's land since 2017, but

16:19

didn't tell us until 2022. Now

16:22

they're trying to rush the project into law under word

16:24

of 24. Would you be

16:26

willing to help me bring attention to the $3.6 billion

16:30

West Everglades restoration project

16:33

by covering it on our CNR? Yeah, it

16:35

definitely- Oh, sorry, go ahead. There you

16:37

go. You have a monologue for me. Would you be

16:39

able to give me a bit more time to explain it? Yeah, of

16:41

course. Or just a little bit potentially? Yeah, I'd

16:43

definitely be interested. You know, you

16:45

should always be contacting any of the registrar's CNR with

16:48

stuff like this. I would be curious

16:50

to know if you've had any other media coverage and

16:52

any other links that you have about it. I

16:54

think land seizure by the government's a really serious issue.

16:57

So if it's not me, I can definitely help with

16:59

connecting you to someone else at a CNR. Hey

17:02

guys, Josh Hammer here, the host of America

17:05

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17:09

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17:11

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17:13

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17:15

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17:18

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17:20

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17:22

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17:24

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17:26

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17:28

Subscribe and download your episodes wherever you get

17:30

your podcasts. It's America on Trial with Josh

17:32

Hammer. Yeah,

17:35

awesome. We had the local ABC affiliate out,

17:37

but they, after filming for like five hours,

17:39

decided not to run the story after all.

17:41

So it's just been a whole smorgasbord. The

17:43

long short of it though, is I've proven

17:45

that their project is totally wrong. I've got

17:47

surveys from the 1800s, 1900s and today. And

17:52

the Army Corps response was to increase

17:54

the amount of money they're requesting from

17:56

that domain by $117 million. So,

18:00

and what's their, what is their

18:02

intended purpose for the land? They

18:05

claim that they are restoring the

18:07

natural flowway of the Western Everglades.

18:09

But the reality is the Seminole

18:11

tribe of Florida and the Biden

18:13

administration are using what they call

18:15

indigenous tribal ecological knowledge to sever

18:18

all the water going into the

18:20

Seminole reservation and trap it on

18:22

privately owned lands. And

18:25

it's not just landowner concerns. We're like

18:27

primary panther breeding grounds. I recorded five

18:29

different Florida panthers on the same camera

18:31

on a 50 day period, including two

18:34

newborn kittens. And those clips are all

18:36

on the under the radar channel right

18:38

now. Panther kittens,

18:40

wow. This is going to destroy like 50,000 acres

18:43

of ranch land. And it's going to wind up in

18:46

a Bundy ranch situation if they try to push it

18:48

forward. 100% of the landowners are opposed

18:50

to this. Even Seminole tribal members largely oppose

18:53

it. But the tribe, the tribes and nonprofits

18:55

have forced it through, which that would get

18:57

to into the weeds. I'm not trying to

18:59

take all your time. I appreciate you guys

19:01

listening to me. Yeah. Send me a message

19:03

on Twitter or if you want to email me,

19:05

I'm hanniclerattimcast.com.

19:09

And you know, we'll figure it out

19:11

because it sounds really interesting. And I'm

19:13

maybe not a Florida land expert, but

19:15

I definitely don't like it when

19:17

the government sees this land. So

19:19

thanks for the call, man. Thank

19:21

you guys. Real quick, I just want to

19:24

say you guys can follow me on Olson

19:26

trail cams on YouTube and X, Ms.

19:28

Hannah Clara will be sure to reach out to

19:30

you. And final thoughts, you cannot sit idle in

19:32

a world where the government will actively try to

19:35

screw you over at every turn. Any

19:37

of you listening that own property, you need

19:39

to be actively monitoring and investigating your local

19:41

and federal agencies, because I've got proof that

19:43

for five years they were trying to seize

19:45

our land before they bothered to even let

19:47

us know. Thank you very much. Wild. Thank

19:49

you. Thanks for letting us know, man. And thanks for

19:51

the call. Damn, man. Best of luck. All

19:54

right. Cheers. And let's talk

19:56

to TMG Cooper. You are live. How you doing,

19:58

man? Oh,

20:01

it's Angie Coper rather. Yes. How's

20:03

it going? All right. Doing well, man.

20:05

Doing well. So

20:11

my question is about the twin

20:13

study with

20:15

transgenders. The

20:20

twin studies often used

20:23

to justify transgender as

20:25

legitimate science and not pseudoscience. The

20:28

hypothesis was that we could raise this

20:30

boy as a girl. The

20:32

experiment stopped when he finally demanded

20:35

to stop

20:37

doing the experiment when he was like But

20:41

when he turned 25, he ended up killing himself.

20:44

When doing an experiment, you're testing a hypothesis to

20:46

find out if it is right or wrong. How

20:49

can it be a successful experiment if this

20:52

ended with him saying he was male and killed himself?

20:57

I don't think it was a successful experiment.

20:59

I have never heard it touted

21:01

as a successful experiment. He

21:05

ended up doing an Oprah interview from what I know about

21:07

it. I've watched him speak. The

21:10

devastation was pretty serious. The thing

21:12

about a lot of twin studies

21:14

is that they're often done in

21:16

ways that are not well documented

21:18

and are, in my opinion, extremely

21:20

abusive. There's

21:22

that documentary, The Three Strangers, which is

21:24

about three different families in New York,

21:27

these men realized that they, right around the age of 18

21:29

or 19, that they had been

21:31

separated. It

21:35

was an adoption agency that specifically worked

21:37

with Jewish single mothers, placed them with

21:39

Jewish families, and they had over

21:41

time realized that they could experiment

21:44

on twins this way. It was part of a study that

21:46

is archived at Yale University,

21:48

and it is under lock

21:50

and key. It

21:53

cannot be released until 2065, despite the fact

21:55

that the people in that study have asked

21:57

for the information. So

22:00

with the transgender issue, sorry, I'm gonna

22:02

talk so much right now, because I

22:04

find twins really fascinating. I always have,

22:07

but with the idea of gender,

22:09

I think this case in particular, the one that

22:11

you're talking about with this, I can't remember the

22:13

man's name, but we

22:15

had these twins that were separated and one was

22:18

raised as a boy, it ultimately proved that nature

22:20

won out, right? He never felt comfortable. He talked

22:22

about, I remember watching this interview with him, he

22:24

talked about the fact that he always held off,

22:26

it never felt good, it was a really upsetting

22:29

childhood, he felt isolated, and then it

22:31

turned out that he was always being raised

22:33

the wrong way. If I'm not mistaken, and

22:36

I can double check this, yeah. So

22:38

the reason that this guy, who ends up going

22:40

by the name Bruce, was selected for this was

22:42

because he had, when

22:44

they were circumcising him, there had been an

22:46

accident, and his penis was completely damaged. And

22:48

so his parents were basically advised to raise

22:50

him as a girl. And so it wasn't

22:52

like a study, like in contrast

22:55

to this study with the multiples that

22:57

were done in, that was done in New York, that involved these

22:59

triplets. These triplets, that

23:01

was like a strategic study. All of those triplets

23:04

were placed with families that had a daughter that

23:06

was older, that was 21, right? There

23:08

were weird controls going on there, and there were teams

23:11

of researchers that met with these kids over time. In

23:13

this case, you took something that was awful, and with

23:15

bad medical advice said, well, maybe if you do it

23:17

this way, it'll work out. And so this case in

23:19

particular is extremely abusive, in my opinion. I don't wanna

23:21

talk too much, I'm sure you guys have opinions on

23:23

this too. Yeah, no, I mean,

23:26

I definitely agree, and I actually hadn't heard of

23:28

this story, so thanks for

23:30

bringing it up. But yeah, I

23:32

agree, I mean, it shows that

23:34

nature ultimately wins out. And you

23:36

talk about the incident, the accident

23:38

that happened when

23:41

this person was a baby, and

23:43

I think what's important to realize is

23:45

it isn't just like a sex organ

23:47

necessarily. You down to your molecular level

23:50

are either male or female. The male

23:52

and female brain is even so different.

23:54

So you can't ever

23:56

fully transition. So what you have when

23:59

you have people... like this

24:01

individual or people who undergo, you know,

24:03

hormone therapy, sex

24:06

chain surgeries, whatever they do, they never

24:08

fully transition. So I think there's always

24:10

an element of, you know, dissatisfaction

24:13

that leads to depression, that leads to,

24:15

you know, often suicide. And I think

24:17

that that's really sad. It's it's really,

24:19

I think, it illuminates

24:21

how damaging these kinds of surgeries

24:24

and procedures and recommendations are. And

24:26

I think that people who, you

24:28

know, advocate for them

24:30

from the medical community should be definitely

24:32

held accountable for stuff like this. Yeah.

24:37

I think there it's, I

24:39

think it's something that we will look back

24:41

on and say, this was

24:43

not right. And people who were on the side

24:45

of saying like, Hey, you shouldn't subject teenagers who

24:47

are going through a lot of changes who don't

24:50

know to permanent change through either, you

24:52

know, hormone intervention or

24:54

surgical intervention, they'll say like, we told you

24:56

guys, this is a bad idea. And I

24:58

don't know why we don't look to Europe,

25:00

which is changing their standards on a lot

25:02

of this and say, you know, they're saying,

25:04

do not medically transition your children. Don't do

25:06

this. This is actually something we don't think

25:08

you should do anymore. I

25:10

don't know why America has decided that this is,

25:13

or at least the American left has decided this is

25:15

an issue that we absolutely need to have, even

25:18

when it flies in the face of science, even when

25:20

they misrepresent science to get their way. It sounds crazy

25:22

to me. Yeah, me

25:24

too. The United States of Pharmacy. Pharmacopoeia.

25:27

For real. Right. If you're sick and

25:29

you have to take hormones for the rest of

25:31

your life and get repeated surgeries or have any

25:33

kind of mental health intervention, you are always paying

25:35

into that system. And that should tell you what

25:37

this is about. That's

25:41

also a really good point. Yeah.

25:44

Well, I like this question. And

25:46

you know, the twin study stuff, I

25:48

really recommend everyone look into the

25:51

triple studies that were done or the twin studies that were

25:53

done in New York and that are still classified. I find

25:55

that. That's so weird. That's really crazy. Yeah. But by the

25:57

university, from what I understand, like it's not like the government

25:59

was like. like, no, you can't do it. It's the university

26:02

that gets to say like, oh, these documents were entrusted to

26:04

us and you have to get permission to read the study

26:06

of twins that were separated and who

26:08

were placed in different homes and never told.

26:10

Some of them don't even know that

26:13

they were part of twins. To this day, they're still,

26:15

wow. It's still classified. It's

26:17

an ongoing experience. I'm sure you can talk about that, Hannah,

26:20

because there's also instances of

26:22

a study in Harvard recently that

26:27

Tim talked about a couple of years ago, where

26:30

it showed that desistance rates in children

26:35

are very high if you don't let them transition

26:40

when they're young, but it was shut down completely once

26:43

the university was bringing it to the board. Yeah.

26:47

One of the pioneers of transgender studies,

26:50

and I believe this was in the 1960s, but I could be saying

26:52

that it was a very, very high rate. But

26:55

I could be slightly wrong. But it

26:57

was at Johns Hopkins and he was the

26:59

head of psychiatry there, I believe. And

27:03

from what I remember, it was the

27:05

first medical school in

27:07

the country that ever performed gender transition

27:09

surgery. It was on an adult. And

27:13

they ultimately, he

27:16

recommended we don't push forward with this. And that

27:18

held for decades and then they ultimately decided to

27:20

go against him. And I believe the early 2000s.

27:24

It's crazy to me. You

27:26

can see, so just pulling it up

27:28

right now, Johns Hopkins has a center

27:31

specifically for transgender youth. But again, this

27:33

went against their own experts recommendation for

27:35

decades. It's wild that

27:37

this was something we knew was not something

27:40

we should have widely encouraged. And then when

27:42

it became profitable, in my opinion, people

27:45

pursued it. Anything

27:47

else to add, man? Also fuck John Money, I

27:49

hate that fucker. Anything else to add though? Yeah,

27:52

yeah, sir. I just love that. Follow

27:57

the Instagram, THC side. Thank you

27:59

guys. Oh, a Clairecast is awesome. Real

28:01

big fan of Clairecast. Oh my gosh, thanks.

28:03

Sometimes I call it Brimcast and it's a hostile

28:05

takeover, but sometimes people get upset about that and

28:08

demand Tim. But as you guys know, he's been

28:10

called away. Like

28:12

Brimstone? I don't know what

28:14

that is, but... Brimstone? Oh, Fire and Brimstone? Yeah, yeah.

28:16

I like that. I like that except a podcast version.

28:20

All right, well, thanks, mate. Yeah,

28:23

thanks so much. Preach the call,

28:25

as always. Cheers. All right. Next

28:28

up, we got Catholic Cowboy.

28:30

How you doing, brother? I'm

28:34

doing well. How's everybody doing? I'm great. Are

28:36

you actually Catholic? I

28:39

am actually Catholic, yes. Are you actually

28:41

a cowboy? I'm

28:43

raised in the southeast, Jordan. Yes, ma'am. I think

28:45

your audio is clipping in and out a little

28:48

bit. I do

28:50

apologize. It's a little bit like that. I

28:52

do back to the bunnies and AT&T does not

28:54

do that. Yeah, your audio

28:57

is cutting in and out. I missed 100% of that, man.

29:01

Can't you hear anything I'm saying? I

29:05

can hear you, but... It kind of sounded like that.

29:07

Are you near your router or are you possibly standing

29:09

outside or something like that?

29:11

Yeah, I'm saying it. Oh,

29:14

apparently, Brimstone is sulfur. It is,

29:17

yeah. How's that? Any better? Way better, man. That's better.

29:19

Thank you, man. OK. I

29:21

had to disconnect from the Wi-Fi. Nice. Good

29:23

call. Longtime listener, been

29:25

listening since about 2020. First

29:28

time being able to call in. Love you guys. Love

29:31

you, Jordan. So my question is about the

29:33

illegal immigration and

29:35

the effects it has on my

29:38

fellow first responders and I. As

29:40

a firefighter EMT, I end up running

29:43

into situations where non-English

29:45

speaking immigrants creates a massive language

29:48

barrier. And luckily,

29:50

I have some Spanish expertise in myself.

29:53

I'm not fully... Lost

29:57

the word. Fluent. Yeah,

29:59

not fully fluent. But I can get myself in a

30:01

trouble can't get myself out of jail Good

30:04

does the panel. What are your thoughts on? The

30:07

state or the federal level

30:10

providing grants for fire EMS

30:12

police Departments all

30:15

over to allow or incentivize

30:20

First responders to become translators so that

30:22

way we can better care for those

30:24

in our communities because regardless of them

30:26

being illegal Not illegal

30:28

whatever they still have a

30:30

right to receive emergency care So

30:33

like the government would issue a grant to

30:35

the departments and then the

30:37

department would pay like a stipend

30:39

to the person that's Opting

30:41

to become a translator as part of their job or something like that

30:45

Yeah, so like say for instance

30:47

like my department you have

30:49

a mandatory requirement to become an AEMT But

30:52

if you become a paramedic you get a five thousand dollar

30:54

raise. I believe that

30:57

we should have bilingual pay raises as

30:59

well because we

31:01

can go to those scenes where there's you

31:03

can't gain information from the patient due to

31:05

language barrier and they

31:08

should either in my opinion a Give

31:12

us that stipend or provide the

31:14

education for us. I Mean

31:17

it sounds like you're leading from the front So I

31:19

tend to take people's advice when I

31:22

hear someone that actual has actual experience

31:24

That's a fascinating concept and I think

31:26

that should definitely be pushed forward to

31:28

the top Yeah, I mean I would say like

31:31

sure like let's do it And then

31:33

let's immediately make sure that English is

31:35

declared the national like the national language

31:37

It's so frustrating so many of these

31:39

issues that we're dealing with that

31:41

stem from immigration Are

31:43

totally like they're not issues that we should

31:46

be having to deal with we're having to

31:48

you know solve problems and try to create

31:50

You know quick fixes while never addressing the

31:52

underlying issue So if we actually

31:55

like do stuff like this and do secure the

31:57

border do you declare English the national language? I

31:59

think we're gonna be better off for it in

32:01

the long run. I think this

32:03

is maybe one of those short term fixes that's

32:05

worth doing. It definitely sounds like

32:07

from your experience, you think that's

32:09

the case and I trust your judgment being on the

32:11

ground there. But yeah,

32:14

it's just frustrating to hear stuff like this because

32:16

this is America, we should speak English, we should

32:18

have people here legally, not illegally. We've created so

32:20

many problems for ourselves by opening the borders. We've

32:22

opened the flood gates and it's just, it's really

32:25

hard to put the genie back in the bottle

32:27

and your story is proof of that. Yeah, I

32:29

agree with Kingsley, I do think, I think English

32:31

should be declared the national language in America and

32:33

I think it's

32:36

important to secure the border so this is not just

32:38

something that goes on and on and on. I

32:42

completely defer to you. It would seem

32:44

potentially like a hazard to not have someone who

32:46

can communicate with the people who seek help and

32:48

someone who is in distress or needs care, who

32:50

cannot communicate with you. Obviously you

32:53

would wanna be able to communicate with them

32:55

the best you can. My question would be, does it have

32:57

to be a federal grant? I

32:59

would be more interested in seeing it funded through

33:02

the state and also I

33:04

would be interested in

33:07

seeing what state resources already exist that you

33:09

could then open up to first responders. So

33:12

could community colleges offer Spanish language classes

33:14

for free if you're a first responder

33:16

rather than bringing the federal government more

33:18

involved with especially on the local level.

33:23

Predominantly we see Spanish but there are different

33:25

immigrant communities that settle in different parts of

33:27

the country so if

33:30

you have a city that has a large Mandarin

33:32

speaking population, is there an already

33:35

funded institution in that area that

33:38

could potentially as a workplace benefit

33:40

offer first responders that

33:42

are interested in this? And then I could

33:44

understand where potentially there is financial

33:47

compensation for you guys but it's

33:50

like two separate things that are

33:53

right against each other. We don't

33:55

want to encourage a system

33:57

that is like we're making illegal.

34:00

immigration something we're just learning to live with and

34:02

accommodate on the other hand I would never want

34:04

someone to be in crisis either the first

34:06

responder or a person and to potentially make the

34:08

situation worse by having An

34:11

easily solvable issue like potentially basic skills in a

34:13

language for a population that's there I wonder too

34:15

in terms of just like saving money and cutting

34:17

costs like a lot of AI like freaks me

34:19

out But I wonder if you could employ AI

34:21

to do something like this because we have Obviously

34:24

like there's a lot of Spanish speakers in the United

34:26

States But as we increasingly get you know people

34:28

crossing the southern border Coming

34:31

from China coming from African countries coming from the

34:33

Middle East There's gonna be a lot of languages

34:35

to accommodate So I wonder if too we could

34:37

just employ technology to kind of translate for us

34:40

in real time You could have an earpiece

34:42

for sure right then speaking it to them

34:44

would be a might be a challenge Yeah,

34:46

you could you could have like incoming. Yeah,

34:48

and I can assume there are sorry. Go ahead.

34:50

Oh I'm sorry. No,

34:52

there are some innovations With

34:55

that like they do have translator apps and

34:57

so on and so forth however The issue

35:00

that commonly occurs is the demographic of the

35:02

language that you have for instance if you

35:04

have a Spain Spanish speaker And you say

35:06

tortilla to them you're talking about an omelette

35:08

But if you say someone from Latin America,

35:11

and you say tortilla You're talking about what

35:13

everyone else thinks of when they think

35:16

about tortilla Yeah, and so that's that's

35:18

one common issue and the most common

35:20

thing I ever see get used is

35:22

Google translate in the hospitals because

35:24

even these programs that they have to where

35:26

it's either the hotline for translators or the

35:30

Real-time translation app the cost is

35:32

so great And

35:35

I do fully agree with you it should be a state-funded

35:37

thing And

35:40

I definitely think it should be on the demographic

35:42

of the secondary language. I just common there Yeah

35:45

I just think it's best for local communities to be

35:47

in control as of as much money

35:49

and decisions as possible and Because

35:52

they know their community best right they know who might need

35:54

these services and what the language might be But

35:56

I think it's a really good question. I'm glad you raised it because

35:59

we do have to do To deal with this

36:01

type of challenge in today's America Thank

36:05

you brother, yes, my own sad. All right.

36:07

Thank you guys Always love

36:10

being from you always love seeing your support if I

36:12

can I just want to shout out my wife real

36:14

quick for always being there for me and give me

36:16

two beautiful children Why

36:23

would someone never be anything other than pro

36:25

family We just had a conversation so we were

36:27

against the family the fuck we did have a

36:29

couple of calling They'd be like I'm at the

36:31

hospital with my wife who's in labor and I

36:33

was like great But also is this like the

36:35

priority right? Oh, yeah, I'm excited Jake

36:39

Carmichael, how you doing? Well,

36:46

yeah speaking of family Thanks

36:49

for thanks for having me on it's been a

36:51

little bit since I've called in I

36:54

met a few of you guys down in

36:56

Miami back in October and I haven't called in in a

36:58

while, but it's

37:01

Yeah, I was I was actually kind of hoping

37:03

to talk with Tim a little bit about the

37:06

draft Sort

37:09

of from a family perspective the

37:12

other day I was I Was

37:16

playing a show over in lander Wyoming and

37:19

I was driving back and he was father's day and

37:21

I Drove like

37:23

10 hours to get home and have dinner with

37:26

my kids and I

37:28

was really angry all day because of this draft

37:30

bill and they were kind of like

37:32

what's going on why are you upset and I

37:34

explained to my Nine

37:37

year old son and my 11 year old daughter What

37:40

was going on and explained that like and

37:43

now we're adding our daughters to

37:46

This mix and I just think that it's

37:48

absolutely ridiculous And abhorrent

37:51

and immoral so

37:53

I guess the question is what it like

37:55

a Is there anything

37:57

that we can do about this at this point? Like it

37:59

was? It was sort of confusing. It sounds

38:01

like this is a Senate provision. And

38:04

so it doesn't sound like this is in

38:07

the House package that

38:09

the House just passed for the

38:11

NDAA. So

38:14

like, I

38:17

was hoping Tim would be here and maybe

38:19

I should try and call in tomorrow. I

38:21

mean, I can explain the different, like,

38:24

the process here, you know, I'm not Tim,

38:27

but we look alike. I'm just kidding. So

38:32

with any major bill that has a lot of tendons,

38:34

it goes back and forth between the House and the

38:36

Senate while they negotiate the terms. Like, each chamber individually

38:38

has to negotiate something. They come up with a draft,

38:41

they send it to the other one. The other one

38:43

might add stuff, might want stuff taken out. It has

38:45

to go back for final. If they then pass that,

38:47

it goes back to whatever chamber. So if it started

38:49

in the House and the House said, you know, here's

38:51

the bill and it doesn't have this in it, they

38:53

passed it without it. They would go to the Senate

38:55

and the Senate is now saying we want to add

38:57

this with the draft so that women are included. You

39:00

know, first it has to pass the Senate with

39:03

the addendum that's in it. So all the Senate has to

39:05

agree they want it in there and then send it back

39:07

to the House for final approval. If that were to happen,

39:09

you know, so theoretically you should be calling your senators, right,

39:11

saying, I don't want this. I don't want this in there.

39:14

This is not how, this doesn't reflect my values. I think

39:16

it's about the country, you know, that's

39:18

who you should be contacting right now. And if it's

39:20

already been passed by the Senate, which I will admit

39:22

I haven't checked on it. I don't

39:24

totally know where it is. If it has been passed by the Senate,

39:26

then it goes to the House and at that point you call the

39:29

members of the House of Representatives and you say, I

39:31

don't want this. This is bad. I oppose this.

39:33

This would be something that I would not vote

39:36

for you for reelection for. That's how serious this issue

39:38

is for me because that's

39:40

the checks and balances with creating laws. So

39:43

there is still time to do something. It's not

39:45

just like over, but I

39:48

think this is where people need to take a

39:50

strong and public stance. Definitely. And something similar to

39:52

this happened, you know, two years ago. There was

39:54

a big, you know, don't draft our daughters movement

39:56

because a similar thing had been passed by the

39:59

Senate. And then. There was a big fight over

40:01

it. Ultimately, it didn't make it. Wasn't,

40:03

you know, passed by both the

40:05

House and the Senate and didn't become law.

40:07

So that should be proof that we can

40:10

squash something like this again. We've done it

40:12

before. We just need to

40:14

gear up, get the phones hot, call them

40:16

nonstop, tell them, you know, you won't stand

40:18

for this. Go to their district offices of

40:21

the representative near you. Make a stink. Demand to

40:23

talk to people. There's a lot of grassroots action

40:25

that we can do to stop stuff like this.

40:31

Does that answer your question or at least this

40:33

weight some concern? Yeah. Yeah, no,

40:35

I mean, you know, like I said,

40:38

I explained that to my kid the other

40:40

night. And I mean, she just she just

40:42

broke down crying. Like she was just like,

40:44

why wouldn't they give us a choice? And

40:47

it's like, this is ironic because it's coming

40:49

from the Democrats, right? Who are all about

40:51

giving us the choice to kill babies whenever

40:53

or given women the choice to kill babies.

40:55

But they won't give them the choice as

40:57

far as fucking war. Excuse my language. But

40:59

I like I'm I'm really fuming about this.

41:03

Go for it, man. And it's not a sensor show. The

41:07

yeah. Anyway, well, OK,

41:10

thank you, guys. I

41:12

appreciate it. I. I'll

41:16

shout out real quick. I'm a songwriter.

41:18

I'm touring all over the Mountain

41:20

West right now. I'm hoping to get over to West Virginia.

41:23

I'd love to come play the coffee shop. Jake

41:25

Carmichael music. Yeah.

41:28

Have a good night. Yes. Definitely. I believe

41:30

I've ever been in Miami. I remember that

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now when you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah,

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man. It's good to hear from you, bro. Yeah.

41:38

Yeah. Likewise. But well, thanks for

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calling in. That was that was a good question, a

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good concern to have. And I

41:44

hope we had good times. That's the last caller search. Yep.

41:47

That's it. Cheers, mate. Wow. We survived

41:49

another successful brim cast. Congratulations to you

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all. Thanks for being with us. I

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know you missed him. He

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will be back, I've heard, although it's classified.

41:57

I can't say I don't know for sure.

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Thank you guys both for being here Kingsley. Thanks for joining

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us tonight. It's been a blessed having you. Yeah, thanks for

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having me. It's always great to be with you guys. Okay,

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well, hope you come back soon. Hope you guys come back

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tomorrow. See more of Tim Kast, IRL. You know, he's nowhere

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to find it. And thanks for everything you do. Thanks

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for watching. I'll see you guys next time.