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1:03

We've lived in Hitchin for 10 years. We've rented in all of that time. The last

1:05

few years, the rent has

1:08

gone up dramatically. Last year, our

1:10

landlord proposed to put our rent up by

1:12

40% overnight. That was

1:16

an incredibly difficult experience. If you make an issue

1:18

with the landlord

1:21

and you resist potential rentals,

1:23

you're going to be in trouble.

1:28

Resist potential rent increases and things

1:30

like that. Ultimately, they can

1:33

no fault of it. The

1:35

worry was that not just we'd

1:38

have to move, but we'd have to move

1:40

area, move our daughter out of school. And

1:42

my wife works in the town and

1:45

doesn't drive. So it

1:48

was the whole thing of what do

1:50

we do? This

1:52

is a man we're calling Andrew. He doesn't want

1:55

to give his real name because though

1:57

the problems he's describing are relatable. He's

2:00

worried that complaining might

2:02

make things difficult with his landlord. We've

2:06

all been fed the dream by

2:08

successive governments of owning our own

2:11

home. And that's what Andrew

2:13

and his family are hoping to do. But

2:16

for now, they're stuck renting. We

2:19

ended up negotiating with them, got

2:21

back down to 25%. And then

2:24

this year they proposed to put it up by a further 25%.

2:27

How much are you paying now after

2:29

all these rent increases? We're

2:32

paying 1350. How

2:35

much of your income is going

2:37

on rent at the moment? Well

2:40

over a half, probably 60%. There's

2:43

no spare money, let's put it that way. Andrew

2:47

lives in Hitchen in Hertfordshire. And

2:50

that's where we're going to be focusing

2:52

this episode. It's a commuter town, 40

2:54

minutes outside London, where house

2:57

prices have risen by 6% in the past

2:59

year. And

3:01

developers are eyeing up the countryside

3:04

there for big new developments. Hitchen's

3:10

a new constituency that was created because

3:12

of the boundary changes that happened last

3:14

year. It

3:16

combines what was a labour constituency

3:19

with two former Tory seats. So

3:21

it's all to play for. From

3:26

The Guardian, I'm Hannah Moore. Today

3:29

in focus, new towns,

3:32

new homes and old ideas. Labour's

3:36

housing policy. Hitchen

3:46

Town Centre around the Market Square is a

3:48

very pretty open square with old buildings on

3:50

one side that look like they're dating back

3:52

to the Elizabethan period. And then there's a

3:54

kind of 1960s shopping

3:57

centre on another side and there's

3:59

cafes. galore, I mean dozens and

4:01

dozens of places to buy coffee. It

4:03

has the flavor of, several people said

4:05

this, of a kind of North London

4:07

suburb and that's obviously because lots of

4:09

people have in fact moved up from London.

4:16

Outside of Hitchen you get very

4:18

quickly into the Greenbelt and beautiful

4:20

rolling countryside and there's lots of

4:22

little villages to the south particularly

4:24

of Hitchen, very picturesque. Rob

4:36

Booth, you're the Guardian's social

4:38

affairs correspondent. You could

4:40

have chosen anywhere in the country to go

4:42

and talk about the housing crisis. In

4:45

different ways it's affecting everybody

4:47

but you chose Hitchen

4:49

and I came along with you. Why

4:52

there? What was interesting about it to

4:54

you? Well

4:56

Hitchen is a place that's seen a

4:58

huge influx of people moving there from

5:01

London during and since the pandemic. House

5:04

prices were considerably cheaper than London so people

5:06

who didn't want to be cooped up in

5:08

a two-bed flat anymore in London were keen

5:11

to get themselves a two or three-bed home

5:13

with a garden in Hertfordshire. But one of

5:15

the consequences of that is it's pushed up

5:17

house prices quite considerably in the

5:20

area. Private rents have really gone up in

5:22

the area too. And I think

5:24

given that we have this national need

5:26

to build one and a half

5:28

million homes seems to be the broad figure over

5:31

the next five years, this is

5:33

the sort of area quite closely connected

5:35

to London on the M1 with

5:37

good transport links where there is going to

5:39

be a great push to build more housing.

5:43

Rob, we all know that Britain's got

5:45

a housing crisis. Even Rishi Sunak has

5:47

said that it's now too hard for

5:49

young people to get on the housing

5:51

ladder. What's the conservative

5:53

record been on housing over the past

5:56

14 years that they've been in power?

6:01

Like governments before, they've

6:03

failed to meet their own

6:05

house building targets. And

6:08

therefore we've got an imbalance of

6:11

supply and demand at the end

6:13

of this 14 year period of

6:15

conservative control. I think

6:18

the other thing to say is that there's

6:20

been a considerable drop in the number of

6:22

social homes that have been built in

6:25

England, to the extent that there

6:27

are historic lows at the moment,

6:29

and also we've seen kind of

6:31

increased demolitions and sell off of

6:33

the existing social homes. So

6:36

we have many more households in the private

6:38

rented sector, lots more people

6:40

who are bringing up families

6:42

in rented properties and often

6:44

properties that are substandard. What

6:47

are Labour proposing if they're elected on

6:49

the 4th of July? Labour's

6:52

plan, similar actually in some

6:54

ways to the conservative plan, is to

6:56

build. And they're saying

6:58

we're going to build 1.5 million

7:01

new homes over, of course, the

7:03

next parliament. Right, so about 300,000

7:05

a year. About 300,000

7:07

a year, which would be a big jump on the

7:09

current output, which I think is about 220,000 or in

7:11

that ballpark. Conservatives

7:15

saying 1.6 million, so they're just

7:17

edged slightly higher. So there's a

7:19

numbers game going on. The most, you

7:22

might say, exciting proposal Labour's bringing

7:25

forward on housing is to build

7:27

a series of new towns. What

7:30

would that mean? I

7:32

think the new towns idea is

7:35

very grabbing. And to my mind,

7:37

that is one clear way that

7:39

you could make a step change

7:41

in the housing crisis in this

7:44

country, which is to build genuine

7:46

new settlements, which are sufficiently large

7:48

to have all the infrastructure, all

7:51

the character, all the sense of

7:53

place of a town or

7:56

even a small city rather than

7:58

just another housing state. of

8:00

the kind that there have been numerous builds over

8:02

the last 20 to 30 years. Now

8:06

the level of detail that Labour have put out about this is

8:08

thin. We don't know

8:10

where these might be. We don't know

8:12

very much about how they would be

8:14

funded or delivered and how long it

8:17

would take to do that. So it's

8:19

a bracing idea but the level of

8:21

detail, as is often the case in

8:23

these pre-election periods, is somewhat

8:26

wanting. Stevenage is to be transformed

8:28

from a country area into a bustling new town

8:30

of 50,000 people, part of

8:32

the Greater London Project. After World

8:35

War II, Labour built several

8:37

new towns including Stevenage, which

8:39

is near Hitchen. Those

8:41

towns were funded by the government. Would

8:44

that be the same case for these new towns?

8:47

To build a genuine new town with

8:49

all the infrastructure, you have to make

8:51

a huge financial commitment. The previous new

8:53

towns were done by massive government borrowing,

8:55

which paid itself back over decades and

8:57

decades. So there were very

8:59

long-term plans in place. I

9:01

think it's unlikely that such

9:04

huge borrowing to build infrastructure

9:06

and social housing would be

9:08

in line with the Labour's

9:10

proposed fiscal rules, which is

9:12

to keep the government borrowing

9:14

in line. So

9:17

I suspect that they're more

9:19

likely to try and enable

9:21

these new towns and encourage

9:23

private landowners, private developers, to

9:26

put in the money and come together

9:28

with development agencies which the government may well

9:31

set up and put it together like that.

9:34

So it's not going to be

9:36

like the post-war government-funded project.

9:40

Still, Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader

9:42

of Labour of course and

9:44

Shadow Housing Minister, she's

9:46

been out in her hardhat on

9:48

the building sites, really pushing this

9:51

idea as central to

9:53

Labour's housing plan. An

9:56

expert independent task force will be set

9:58

up to help choose the... right

10:00

sites and the list of projects

10:02

will be announced within the first 12 months

10:04

of government so that

10:06

we can start building the towns of the

10:08

future within months and not decades. So

10:11

she's saying that Labour could start

10:14

building these new towns within months of

10:16

getting into office. Do

10:18

you get the sense that Labour will follow

10:20

through on this policy? Well I'm

10:23

afraid, you know,

10:25

the experience of the Conservative

10:27

Cameron's attempts to build a new generation

10:29

of new towns and also before him

10:32

Gordon Brown's attempts to do the same

10:34

show that it's pretty difficult

10:36

not to run into massive

10:38

local opposition about building these places

10:41

in other people's neighbourhoods. So it's

10:43

going to take a degree

10:45

of conviction, a real vision, for what

10:47

these places can be that the public

10:50

can get behind and sufficient

10:52

funding frankly from one source or another

10:54

to show that they're going to be

10:56

really high quality places that people want

10:58

to live in. What she's also

11:01

said is that they want to

11:03

launch a big process of public consultation about

11:05

where these places could be which

11:07

is exactly of course what happened

11:09

before under Brown and Cameron and

11:11

it just becomes so politically difficult

11:14

to actually get local

11:16

consent. I spoke earlier to

11:18

a man called Andrew who's in hit chin

11:20

and he's trying

11:22

to get the money together at the moment to buy

11:24

a house. He said I would

11:27

absolutely support the idea of a new

11:29

town being built near me. I think

11:32

that's a brilliant idea. I think you need

11:34

to have a bolder

11:36

vision to build new

11:38

towns, new infrastructure, schools, roads,

11:42

green spaces. We

11:44

need it. We're a country of 70 million

11:47

and we don't really have enough

11:50

housing to put everyone in and

11:52

that's affordable as well and I

11:54

think that building new towns with

11:56

council housing as well would be

11:58

really beneficial. Is there any at

12:00

all of where the new towns might be?

12:02

I mean are they going to be in

12:04

the southeast places that

12:06

are going to be sort of on

12:08

the outskirts of London or Midlands,

12:11

North? Well they

12:13

haven't given any indication of the locations

12:15

yet but people who are you know

12:17

kind of working around this that I've

12:20

spoken to have suggested various locations. There

12:22

are some obvious ones in the southeast,

12:24

places like Thorek in Essex or Ebsfleet

12:26

in Kent, either side of the Thames

12:28

Estuary could be more developed. South Hampshire

12:30

as well is another location but there

12:32

are also ideas for places

12:35

you know up around the M1

12:37

near Nottingham, Derby, perhaps Stafford around

12:39

the M6 again thinking

12:41

about connections and kind of

12:43

Northampton in the Midlands and I would have

12:45

thought around this area that we've been spending

12:47

some time in as well. Hi

12:53

there, someone to this fair, my name's Alex John. Yes,

12:55

hello. I was your local enderpeaker and I'm re-standing again

12:57

in the local election. So you

12:59

went outdoor knocking with the local

13:02

Labour candidate Alastair Strathairn and

13:04

you asked him about housing and kind

13:06

of were gauging how people were feeling

13:08

about it. What kinds of things was

13:10

he saying? Well yeah when I

13:13

asked him about the new towns proposal because

13:15

that is something that kind of could solve

13:17

the problem, I asked him

13:19

if he would accept one in Hitchen.

13:21

I thought his response to that was telling

13:23

because he didn't say yes. Would you

13:25

accept one in the constituency? Well

13:28

I think it's on Labour if we're

13:30

lucky enough to get into government to

13:32

come forward with a really sensible framework

13:34

for engaging with communities not just here

13:36

but right across the country on

13:38

where the best places for any new towns would be. And

13:41

so you got this sense immediately that

13:43

it's going to be difficult to

13:45

find political approval for a new

13:47

town in any of these already

13:49

quite crowded areas of the country

13:51

where the demand is strongest. I

13:53

think Labour's got to make sure we've got a really compelling

13:55

offer to how we're going to bring people into

13:58

the process of helping to decide where these are. How

20:01

would Labour deal with that if they were elected?

20:05

Well, you know, both Labour

20:07

and the Conservatives talk about Brownfield first,

20:09

about building on previously used

20:11

land in cities and towns, that being

20:13

the absolute priority. Good reasons for that.

20:16

It doesn't wreck the countryside. It's also

20:18

often close to jobs and transport. So

20:20

they'll be looking for that. But

20:22

if they want to actually, you know, get the

20:25

big numbers that they're talking about aiming for, they're

20:28

going to have to look at agricultural

20:31

land, but also previously owned public

20:34

sector land, so old

20:36

barracks sites, old airfields, old NHS

20:38

sites, these sorts of places which

20:40

could form the anchor of new

20:42

settlement. But there aren't going to

20:44

be enough Brownfield sites to meet the housing

20:47

need. So what do they do

20:49

then? Well, there's different ways they could do it. One

20:53

is changing the planning rules and

20:55

actually taking more of the Greenland

20:57

that is available. Particularly controversial

20:59

thing for the Conservative government to do

21:01

because of their support in the Shires.

21:04

Perhaps slightly less controversial for Labour to

21:07

do, although I think they may well

21:09

run into opposition around that. They're talking

21:11

about using some of the green belt.

21:13

They call this the Grey Belt, which

21:16

is areas of the Green Belt. And

21:18

the Green Belt is to protect settlements

21:20

from sprawl. They say the

21:23

Grey Belt is sections of this which

21:25

really aren't particularly lovely, not particularly green.

21:27

It's often a bit of redundant

21:29

car parking or perhaps petrol

21:31

stations, that kind of thing.

21:34

Slightly hard to judge what it

21:37

actually means and also whether

21:39

there'd be enough of it to build the number of

21:41

homes that we're talking about. I mean,

21:43

the other thing is that the

21:46

Labour is very keen to make sure that

21:48

all local authorities have proper local plans in

21:50

place. OK, and what does a local plan do? So

21:53

a local plan, every council of significant size has to have

21:55

a local plan which says how many homes it's going to

21:57

build and where it's going to build them over the... next

22:00

few years. And in those local

22:02

plans, councils can often

22:04

take parts of the Greenbelt away

22:07

and maybe, as we saw in

22:09

Hitchen, replace it with another

22:11

part elsewhere. To do that, you need lots

22:13

of planning officers. Labour has said they'll put

22:15

more planning officers in place. These things have

22:17

been promised before by other parties

22:19

as well in order to enable better

22:22

local planning. We'll see how far Labour get

22:24

with it. I

22:26

mean, what's the danger in an

22:29

area not having an up-to-date local plan?

22:31

Does it just mean that housing is

22:33

developed in a more haphazard way? That's

22:36

right. It either becomes more haphazard or

22:38

it doesn't really happen. So housing need

22:40

isn't there. Even if Labour

22:43

gets the planning system sorted out, gets

22:46

local consent, have

22:48

we got the skills nationally to

22:50

be able to build 300,000 houses a year? It's

22:55

been a persistent problem, the shortage

22:57

of workers. Construction

22:59

jobs are relatively low paid.

23:02

There's quite a lot of competition for low

23:04

paid workers and the

23:06

kind of investment in the skills

23:08

has declined over the years. I

23:11

think partly because there was a period

23:14

during the expansion of the European Union

23:16

when a lot of quite highly skilled

23:18

people came from Eastern Europe, the famous

23:21

Polish builders, and they

23:23

filled all these gaps. A lot of them have gone,

23:25

so we have a black hole. So

23:27

shortage of workers and what are the other

23:29

difficulties that they're going to have to wrangle

23:31

with? Dealing with the house builders

23:34

themselves who own a lot of the plots

23:36

of land and are only really willing to

23:38

build on them if they can get a

23:40

sufficient return on their investment. And if the

23:42

government or the development agencies that the government

23:45

set up is very keen to build

23:48

much more social housing and also build

23:50

a lot of public infrastructure, that's going

23:52

to lead to a conflict with those

23:55

builders. So that's going to be a

23:57

big challenge for Angela Rayner if she

23:59

becomes the... Housing Secretary and others

24:02

in the government to sort of knock

24:04

heads together and make sure these development

24:06

sites are actually delivered. One

24:18

problem Labour is going to have is making

24:20

sure that any new houses that are built

24:22

are going to be actually affordable for people

24:24

to live in. How are they

24:26

planning to enforce that? They

24:29

are again hoping to use the planning system

24:31

to push private developers to

24:34

commit to build more affordable housing

24:36

as part of the schemes that

24:38

they're going to put through. Labour

24:40

have talked about helping young

24:43

first-time buyers get on the housing ladder

24:45

with a kind of mortgage guarantee scheme

24:47

which would enable them to get places

24:49

without such a big deposit. And the

24:51

Conservatives have said that they'd bring back

24:54

help to buy which was this government

24:56

scheme that gave first-time buyers a loan

24:58

of either 20% or

25:01

40% depending on whether they were

25:03

buying in London or elsewhere. That

25:06

scheme ended in 2022. It was

25:09

a far from perfect scheme but it

25:11

was popular. Do you think

25:13

that would be a vote winner bringing that back? I

25:16

think both parties are

25:18

focusing quite strongly on

25:21

the desire of young

25:23

people, young families to buy their own

25:26

home and it's quite a powerful desire.

25:28

So we're not hearing either talk hugely

25:30

about kind of boosting the

25:32

rented sector. The answer for

25:35

both seems to be we've got to

25:37

make it more possible for people to

25:39

get out of the rented sector and

25:41

into home ownership. Politically that's clearly a

25:43

more attractive idea. That's the sort of

25:45

middle political way and both parties have

25:47

drifted towards that and I think that's

25:49

going to cause some frustration amongst renters

25:51

groups and those who want to see

25:54

a lot more social housing that the

25:56

focus is going to be on home

25:58

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Unlimited slows. Rob,

27:29

the reforms that the Conservatives planned

27:31

for the private rental sector have

27:33

been put on ice because of

27:36

the general election being called. Have

27:38

Labour said whether they would pick

27:40

back up on the renters reform

27:42

bill? So Labour said

27:45

last week that they will immediately

27:47

ban no false evictions, confirming

27:49

what they've previously said. They've said

27:51

that they are going to crack

27:54

down on mould and damp in

27:56

private housing by giving landlord deadlines

27:58

for fixing those kind of problems.

28:00

homes. And they're talking about giving

28:02

renters much greater certainty

28:05

about price. And for example saying

28:07

no longer will landlords be able

28:09

to run bidding wars for private

28:11

rented homes and no longer will

28:13

landlords be able to demand exorbitant

28:16

upfront chunks of rent. But they're

28:18

not talking about things like rent

28:20

caps, which is what a lot

28:22

of the renter groups really want.

28:25

And about 15% of people in

28:27

the area around Hitchin are renting

28:30

privately. And we wanted

28:32

to get a sense of the types of

28:34

issues that they're having at the moment. So

28:36

we went along to Citizens Advice and spent

28:38

the morning with their housing

28:40

specialist who's called Rachel Williams. And

28:43

I just found that really, really

28:45

interesting. What was it about

28:47

what she told us that

28:49

stuck with you? Well,

28:52

a piece of paper that was most telling that

28:54

turned up in that meeting was the one that

28:56

told us that they've seen a 62% increase

28:59

in the last year in the number of

29:01

people coming forward with problems with

29:04

their housing. Most of that to do

29:06

with rent. I'm basically the

29:08

absolute last resort for people who

29:10

come to court and they

29:13

think they're going to lose their home. You

29:16

got difficulties that people were facing

29:18

when their rents are being renegotiated

29:21

after tenances and then being jacked

29:23

up. Huge demand for social

29:25

housing, but not enough social housing by

29:27

a long way. But

29:29

also the impact on

29:31

residents of insecure work,

29:35

which played into the housing problem.

29:37

More and more people are coming to the

29:39

local authority to look for social housing, because

29:42

even people who are working can't afford private

29:44

rent. You had

29:46

people that were working in light

29:49

manufacturing jobs or warehouse jobs and then

29:51

after four or five months before their

29:53

employment rights would start being pushed out

29:55

and having periods of unemployment and that

29:58

creating thousands and thousands of people. worth

30:00

of rent arrears that people were struggling with, to the

30:02

point that there was one man that we saw there

30:04

who was desperate for a food voucher that day, wasn't

30:06

he? He needed it now. Rachel

30:09

was saying that it wasn't

30:11

uncommon for her to see people on

30:13

a sort of daily basis who were

30:15

in tens of thousands of pounds of

30:17

debt and in thousands of pounds of

30:19

rent arrears. A lot of people are

30:21

paying credit card debts off rather than

30:23

paying their rent, because they've got bailiffs

30:25

knocking on the door, so they think

30:27

they've got to pay those debts. You

30:30

look at the high street and it

30:32

looks so polished and beautiful

30:34

and you have all this greenery around, but

30:37

there is a big pocket

30:39

of poverty going on there and some people

30:41

who are really struggling to find somewhere to

30:43

rent or to keep up with their rent

30:45

payments. Yeah, that's right. And the thing that

30:47

jumped out for me was how normal it seemed to

30:50

the people who had those thousands of pounds worth of

30:52

debt hanging over them. How it just becomes an everyday

30:54

part of their life that this was something that was

30:56

going to be hanging over them for

30:59

the foreseeable future. She's being kind

31:01

this morning. She feels very guilty.

31:04

She's 6,000 pounds in rent arrears

31:07

at the moment. We can deal with her debt,

31:10

but where's the support if we get

31:12

it all put back for her? There's

31:14

nothing to support people long term. That's

31:16

where a lot of our problems lie.

31:19

As Rachel said, a lot of people

31:22

going to citizens' advice would ideally be

31:25

in social housing. They wouldn't

31:27

be in the private rented sector. Labour

31:30

have said that they would deliver

31:32

the biggest increase in social house

31:35

building in a generation. What

31:37

would that mean? Well,

31:39

not necessarily very much because social house

31:41

building has declined so dramatically since the

31:44

1990s. Nevertheless, it's

31:46

something that would be welcomed. And it's

31:48

certainly something that I think could form

31:50

the nucleus of these new towns that

31:52

could start to provide a positive way

31:54

of having genuinely mixed communities in these

31:57

new towns. You

32:05

do get that sense, don't you, that reading

32:07

through the manifesto that they are quite unwilling

32:09

to put figures

32:11

to what they're proposing. And

32:14

if you don't have access to decent

32:16

housing, it affects everything. It affects your

32:18

health. It's extremely stressful. It affects your

32:20

job prospects, your children's wellbeing. Yeah.

32:22

I mean, housing is a

32:25

policy area, something that's very slow moving.

32:27

Changes happen over decades, not

32:30

instantly. The political upside

32:34

of doing something now that would

32:36

only bear fruit in 10

32:38

years is limited in the way

32:40

things are at the moment, which

32:43

is why the Newtown's idea has

32:45

a sort of germ of something

32:47

exciting in it. Because if genuine

32:50

Newtown organizations are set up to build these

32:52

places over 10, 15 to 20 years and

32:54

can kind of hold the torch and

32:59

actually deliver places that are like Milton

33:01

Keynes that are incredibly popular now many,

33:04

many decades later, then we may

33:06

end up with a genuinely rich

33:08

legacy. You know, you

33:10

spent four days in Hitchen. What have

33:12

you come away thinking? Have

33:14

you learnt stuff about our housing situation

33:16

in the UK that you maybe

33:19

haven't thought about before? I

33:21

think with Hitchen, one of the really interesting

33:24

things about it is that it's changing quite

33:26

fast. The population's changing quite fast in terms

33:28

of these thousands of people that have moved

33:31

up there since the pandemic. That

33:33

can have a really positive effect on a place as

33:36

well. It can bring energy and new

33:39

life to a place. It

33:41

can have negative effects as well, which means that lots

33:43

of the families who've lived in Hitchen for a long

33:45

time are now facing up to the reality that their

33:47

children won't be able to afford to live there. I

33:50

think it struck

33:52

me as the housing situation can

33:54

change communities quite rapidly. And

33:56

in doing so that can have some positive

33:58

effects, but also some quite... worrying negative

34:00

effects and it would be

34:03

great wouldn't it to start to see some

34:05

kind of more kind of visionary approaches to

34:07

how we can tackle this crisis. Rob

34:10

thank you so much. Thank you.

34:19

That was Rob Booth, Social Affairs

34:21

Correspondent for The Guardian. His

34:23

writing from Hitchin will be up

34:25

at theguardian.com later this week so

34:28

look out for that. Thank

34:30

you to everybody in Hitchin who made

34:32

the time to speak to us for

34:35

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