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and gentlemen, David Cameron. Thank
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you. Thank you. 14
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years ago, in the empty shell of a
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derelict Battersea Power Station in London, a
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young David Cameron walks onto a stage with
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his baby face and rosy red cheeks. He
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stands in front of a huge sign that
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says, we're all in this together and
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clutches the 2010 election manifesto that he's
1:33
there to launch. It's
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a little hardback book in deepest Tory
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blue, embossed with the words,
1:40
an invitation to join the government of
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Britain. He sets
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out how he sees the country before him, and
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it begins to make sense why he's chosen the
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backdrop of this decaying monolith of a building. The
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word that jumps out, the same
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word he's been using in speech after speech
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for a few years now, is broken. We
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can mend. of
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recent British political history is the
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difference between David Cameron as leader
8:05
of the opposition and David Cameron
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as Prime Minister because the
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pitch when he was leader of the opposition
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was a kinder, gentler
8:14
conservatism, compassionate conservatism.
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What then happened almost straight away was
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instead austerity and a
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program of shredding
8:24
the state and the social fabric
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all in the name of
8:29
cutting the deficit and their claim
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was that in arriving in office
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in 2010 they'd looked
8:36
under the bonnet and seen that the
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engine was in pieces and
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they purported to be shocked by
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what they had discovered and
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they were helped in a way by
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one particular joke that
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just very badly backfired. The
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outgoing Labour Chief Secretary to
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the Treasury, Liam
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Byrne, who will never live this down, had
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left a handwritten note for his
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successor saying, sorry there is no
9:03
money left. Dear Chief Secretary, I'm
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sorry to have to tell you
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the money's run out and
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it was honest. I mean I think most of us knew
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that from the... Is that true then? Are you saying the
9:14
money has completely run out? Well we clearly have a massive
9:16
deficit so it's more than run out. And
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that enabled, as they saw it,
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to justify everything that then followed.
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Now we're gonna have to curb
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this mad spending binge that the
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previous lot were on. The
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note left by Liam Byrne was an
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absolute gift to the coalition government, this
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sense that Labour had spent all of
9:37
the money. But we shouldn't forget,
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should we, that there had actually been the financial crash
9:41
in 2007-2008 and the economy
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had taken a huge hit. So
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it wasn't actually just about Labour
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overspending was it? It wasn't
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about overspending at all in my view. I
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mean the point about the international
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crisis, a global financial
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crisis, 2008
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was it had affected everybody. It
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was the worst day on Wall Street since
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the crash of 1987. From
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the financial capital of the world, the
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opening bell is going to ring in
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five seconds. And to be honest with
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you, we wish it wouldn't. The
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Dow tumbled more than 500 points after
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two pillars of the street tumbled over
10:23
the weekend. Lehman Brothers, a 158-year-old firm,
10:25
filed for bankruptcy. I
10:29
remember Labour saying this was
10:32
a crisis made on Wall Street,
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not in Downing Street. We must
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now take action on the global financial
10:38
recession, which is likely to cause recession
10:40
in America, France, Italy, Germany, Japan. There's
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a global consensus among economists that
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actually Gordon Brown and the Labour government
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that was in place then was almost
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exemplary in handling this financial crash. You
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read the memoirs of people in the
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Bush administration who admit they turned to
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London and to Gordon Brown for
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advice on how to deal with the banking
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crisis and that there was
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one crucial weekend where there was a
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risk that there was going to be a global run
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on the banks where people would have gone to cash points
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on the Monday morning and no money would have come out. And
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the person who came up with a plan to
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prevent that happening that was then adopted in Washington
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and all around the world was Gordon Brown. This
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is a decisive moment for the world economy.
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The decisions that we make now will affect
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our world for a decade or more to
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come. And sure, Labour
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spent a lot of money, but everybody around
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the world had to spend money in
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order to prevent a crash turning
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into a structural depression. When
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things are tough, governments must spend
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money to keep the economy afloat.
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It's only when it's doing well that you then
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need to pull back. And that
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was why there was a consensus really
11:52
among economists that at this moment of
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crisis was exactly the moment when you must
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not turn the taps off. You've got
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to keep them going to... keep everything
12:00
going. And yet George
12:02
Osborne, as Chancellor of the
12:04
Conservative-led Coalition, decided to ignore
12:07
the consensus and pursue austerity.
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And the word austerity, it
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feels so familiar now, but
12:13
it's easy to forget sometime the extent of the
12:15
cuts that began in 2010 and were such a
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central feature of George Osborne's budgets for the
12:21
following years. Can you sort of itemise that
12:23
for us? Give us a sense of the
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breadth and the depth of those cuts. It
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really did affect every corner
12:30
of the public realm. The
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first feel of the acts was on
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councils, on local government. You know,
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normally they are in receipt of
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a chunk of money
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from central government and suddenly
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that was massively cut. You
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know, there is one measure that says in
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between 2010 and all the way to
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2020, councils lost almost 60p
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in every pound that
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they got from the central government. That had
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an effect on all the services they run,
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whether that's buses or
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housing, services for
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young people, youth
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clubs and after school
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provision, arts organisations, you
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know, local theatres in public toilets,
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in the libraries that suddenly either
13:17
had to close altogether or sharply restricted hours,
13:19
swimming pools that were drained of water. And
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by the way, you can see them all
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over the country now. There are still playgrounds
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that are behind rusted fences
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and where the swings don't
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move anymore because they
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were deprived of money. It was quite
13:35
a sort of deliberate tactic
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by the Conservative government because they
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knew that voters would blame the
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local council who would put a sign
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on the playground saying, sorry, closed without
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realising the reason why the council can't fund
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the library or the playground or the swimming
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pool is because the money that central government
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allocate to them had been cut off. against
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local authority cuts. Now
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a leading think tank has declared the whole
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council funding system in England doesn't work. Just
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every area of our national life
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was suddenly stretched. Social
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care, which is funded by local authorities,
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which often sucked up all their
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budget. It was often the very last thing they could
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cut because those are the people who are so vulnerable.
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They can be adults, they can be children. You know,
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if a local authority doesn't have the budget to do
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that, they really have the
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budget to do nothing. It's
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not just the cuts, it's
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how disabled people are being treated within
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that. I know
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that if just a few things were
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different, like being somewhere
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accessible, the care being fully
14:42
in place, I know my
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life could be really different. And
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then you think about the NHS, the rhetoric was
14:49
that it was the budget being protected, but
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it didn't increase in real terms over that
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decade, starting in 2010, when the pressures certainly
14:57
did increase because you had this ageing
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population. Sunday
15:02
night, a peak time
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in this alien. 95 patients
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and just 33 cubicles and
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rooms. We actually have corridor
15:11
nurses now as well. Times
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are very desperate. What's it like here, Miss
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Fizzy? Dangerous. Yeah,
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it's frightening. I
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need beds and stuff. It's just
15:22
like banging your head against a brick wall. Police
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budgets cut by around a fifth, it
15:29
meant there were more than 20,000 officers, police
15:32
officers who were lost, people who would have
15:35
been on the beat, would have been on
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the street corner who weren't there. And so
15:39
people talking about some crimes like burglary, in
15:41
effect, being decriminalised. Tonight
15:43
we investigate if our towns and
15:45
cities are safe as cuts to
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the police deepen. We're on the
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front line as police warn crime
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is going undetected. A
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big knock on effect of the police was
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in the courts. We had Ministry of Justice
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budget cut by 40... suddenly
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half of all magistrates' courts were
16:03
shut. The latest figures from the Ministry
16:05
of Justice show the backlog of cases is
16:07
at a record high, with more than 66,000
16:09
cases in England and Wales incomplete
16:12
last year. The armed forces
16:14
massively reduced to the point where you
16:16
have warnings from former generals saying, Britain
16:19
couldn't fight a war now, even if it
16:21
needed to. Britain
16:24
is keen to support Ukraine in
16:26
its war with Russia, but underfunded
16:29
and facing further cuts, the
16:31
British army is in need of help too.
16:36
So, you know, you can go on and on, but
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it was the entire fabric of the country,
16:40
every part of it, had a
16:42
tear in it that turned sometimes into
16:44
just a gaping hole through
16:47
this very deliberate policy of starving
16:49
those areas of funds. When
16:52
we say we're all in this together, it is
16:54
not a cry for help, it is a call
16:56
to arms. I know the
16:58
British people, they are not passengers, they're
17:00
drivers. I've seen the courage of our
17:02
soldiers, the patience of our
17:04
teachers, the dedication of our doctors, the
17:07
compassion of our care workers, the wisdom
17:09
of our elderly. So come on, let's
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work together in the national interest. APPLAUSE
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And David Cameron famously declared that we're
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all in this together. How
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true was that? Well, it really wasn't
17:22
true, and it was the rhetoric. They would say
17:25
it again and again. It
17:27
felt like it was one of those lines that
17:29
had been very sort of focus-grouped. I remember George
17:31
Osborne saying it in a hall, a Tory party
17:33
conference. And it
17:35
wasn't right. The disabled were often
17:37
hit really hard because they were
17:39
often using so many of the
17:41
services that were cut. The
17:44
acts fell very heavily on women, services
17:47
that women use, or
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the burden of care shifting, as it so often
17:51
does, to women, looking after elderly parents,
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say, without care provision.
17:56
And analysis that would come
17:58
later would show that... actually the richest
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20% were spared
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the effects of austerity. And
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Tory councils, often in
18:08
the leafier, more affluent parts of the country,
18:11
found their budgets were not nearly so
18:13
severely cut. Something Rishi
18:15
Sunak, in a perfectly leafy setting,
18:18
speaking during that summer election campaign
18:20
against Liz Truss, that leadership campaign,
18:22
at a Tory garden party, I mean, the setting
18:25
was perfect. He said, we,
18:27
the Tories, worked very hard
18:29
to make sure that the
18:32
squeeze was felt on those Labour voting
18:34
urban areas rather than on Tory areas
18:36
like this one. He admitted it. I
18:39
managed to start changing the funding formulas to
18:41
make sure that areas like this are getting
18:43
the funding that they deserve, because we inherited
18:45
a bunch of formulas from the Labour Party
18:48
that shoved all the funding into deprived urban
18:50
areas. That needed to be undone. I started
18:52
the work of undoing that. So this was
18:54
a policy that affected the poorest, those
18:57
who were disabled, it affected women, and
18:59
it did affect everyone apart
19:01
from those who had most. And so
19:03
there was some logic to we're all
19:06
in this together, but not the
19:08
logic George Osborne and David Cameron meant. But
19:12
for me, the defining
19:14
symbol of the last
19:16
14 years is the
19:18
food bank. When
19:24
David Cameron came to power in 2010, food
19:27
banks existed only on the very
19:29
margins of society, something for dire
19:31
emergencies. There were just 35 of them. Today
19:35
there are almost 3,000. We
19:39
now live in a country with more
19:41
food banks than cinemas or hospitals or
19:43
public libraries. There are now
19:45
more food banks than there are branches of McDonald's
19:47
in the UK. The
19:50
biggest in the country is the West End Food
19:52
Bank in Newcastle. Today
19:55
in focus first visited back in 2018. It
19:58
was one of our first ever episodes. And
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we met a woman then who couldn't afford to turn on
20:02
the lights. If
20:04
your electric goes off, basically, you've got
20:07
nothing to put on it. It's
20:09
either hunting for candles, which is dangerous.
20:12
So what electricity I've got on, I try
20:14
to save it as quick as
20:16
possible so you can walk around the house without taking
20:18
yourself. We were following
20:21
Philip Olston, the UN's special rapporteur on
20:23
extreme poverty, as he toured the UK.
20:26
He'd been to some of the poorest places on earth, but
20:29
he was shocked by what he saw in
20:31
the world's fifth largest economy. In
20:34
his final report, he accused the
20:36
UK government of the systematic immiseration
20:38
of millions of people. The
20:41
motivation is very clearly, I
20:43
believe, driven by the
20:46
desire to get across a
20:49
simple set of messages. That
20:51
people who need benefits should
20:54
be reminded constantly that
20:56
they are lucky to get anything,
20:59
that nothing will be made easy. The
21:02
state does not have your back
21:04
any longer. You are
21:06
on your own. It
21:11
was clear in Newcastle in 2018 that
21:14
the biggest aspect of austerity that was driving
21:16
people to the West End Food Bank
21:18
was welfare reform. The Conservatives
21:20
had completely shredded the UK safety net.
21:23
They brought in the bedroom tax, which
21:25
effectively charged social housing tenants extra for
21:28
their spare bedrooms. And then
21:30
came the benefit cap, the two-child limit
21:32
on child benefit, and a
21:34
massive expansion of work capability assessments,
21:37
getting disabled people to prove in harsh
21:39
tests that they really were unfit to
21:42
work. And
21:44
what I found quite disgusting is
21:47
that they said, you've
21:49
had your condition for a long time,
21:51
you should be used to it by
21:54
now. And that actually
21:56
will report the road path. And
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I'll speak to you. because I'm right-handed as well,
22:02
they said, well, you've got a left hand
22:04
to use that. The
22:06
government also decided to simplify
22:08
the benefits system with Universal
22:10
Credit, rolling six different
22:13
benefits into one monthly payment. Newcastle
22:15
was one of the first places where it was
22:17
widely introduced. Universal
22:20
Credit was specifically designed so that the
22:22
new claimants had to wait five weeks
22:24
for their first payment. Its
22:27
architect, the work and pension secretary, Ian
22:29
Duncan Smith, said this was
22:31
to mirror the world of work, where
22:33
employees are paid a month in arrears. A
22:37
woman called Tracy described what this actually meant
22:39
in reality. How she fell
22:41
into rent arrears and then debt was
22:43
evicted from her home and couldn't afford to
22:45
even pay her son's bus fare to send
22:47
him to school. I don't
22:50
think anyone deserved the position
22:52
we're put in because I wasn't
22:56
in work at that time. It's
22:58
my worst time in my whole life. And
23:01
I'm quite a happy person, but no. Johnny,
23:14
we've discussed how the Conservatives went
23:16
about reforming the welfare state, ostensibly
23:19
to save money, but it always
23:21
felt to me that there was more to it than that. I
23:25
think that's right. I think there was politics in it,
23:27
and I think there was philosophy in it. I
23:30
think they realised that you could hit
23:32
those people who are on benefits because
23:34
so often they didn't vote, or
23:37
they certainly didn't vote for you, the
23:39
Conservatives. And so you weren't going to
23:41
lose any votes, and perhaps you were
23:43
going to gain votes among people who
23:45
are not on benefits, who resented the
23:47
fact that their taxes were going to
23:49
pay for somebody who could work, but
23:51
would prefer to sit around watching daytime
23:53
TV. That was the stereotype. There
23:55
were people around who were ripping off
23:57
the system, who were not pulling their...
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