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How are you today? Wonderful

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TC. This is my first trap draw

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appearance. I'm so excited. You're

2:34

like this is like the real official

2:36

welcome to the team. I'm honored

2:39

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2:41

voicemails in the past. I think you've been

2:43

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2:47

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2:50

Magic Jeff, a dear friend

2:52

of Neil and I's from from

2:54

growing up in Atlanta. How are you man?

2:57

Great, great Tron. Great to be on. It's you

2:59

know we got a lot to dive into but

3:01

I was honored that I was able

3:03

to answer the call to talk about something

3:05

so precedent in these times. Well

3:10

that something is is the

3:12

YSL trial. My mom texts me

3:14

daily about it. She's she's you

3:18

know up or trying

3:20

to be up to speed on it.

3:22

She's asking me questions and then when

3:24

she asked me questions I always reach

3:26

out to Jordan or Magic Jeff here.

3:28

So Jeff we're normally talking

3:30

about Hawks. Are they gonna trade Trey

3:32

Young this offseason? I

3:34

mean yes I'm not willing but probably not. There's

3:37

just so much money tied up. I mean of

3:39

course we get the best the number one pick

3:41

in the worst draft in in

3:43

years but you know a lot

3:45

of a lot to play out there. Watch out

3:47

to Jordan's a big Heat

3:50

fan. Heat culture. That's okay

3:52

I don't I don't need a

3:54

top pick to make something happen.

3:56

Falcons. Falcons wise everybody in a

3:58

good place now. with the Michael Penix

4:02

stuff or? You know,

4:04

it's kind of been quiet in terms of, you

4:07

know, it's just that this time of year

4:09

where people are kind of getting a little

4:11

antsy for college football, you know, it's kind

4:13

of that post draft. Now there's,

4:15

you know, the rumblings about, you know, what Kirby's going to

4:17

do, what he's going to scheme up, who's

4:19

available in the portal, that type of thing.

4:22

Gotcha. Well, you and I, we

4:24

were talking about our guy, Brew Hot from Tampa

4:27

getting it done on the Spelling Bee. A

4:29

week or two ago, the assassination attempt

4:32

on the Slovakian president. You

4:34

were out in Vegas recently? Yeah, I

4:36

was out in Vegas, out at the Spear. Saw

4:39

the, saw Dead in Company. Okay.

4:43

Was there for 48 hours, saw multiple

4:46

NBA players just walking around the aria.

4:48

You know, I'm not really a Vegas guy. It's

4:51

not really my scene. Was more so

4:53

there for the concert and show, but I would

4:55

highly recommend the Spear. It's true,

4:57

it really is something else. And

5:00

Tiger was out there? This was during Tiger Jam? Yeah. So

5:03

he was in that tournament the night of the

5:05

concert. Of course, I'm sure you're, I'm sure some

5:08

of your sparrows had already updated you on that.

5:10

I didn't feel the need to shoot you a

5:12

text there, but yeah, I think he

5:14

was, he was playing in a Texas holding

5:16

tournament down at the aria. All

5:19

right. All right. And then last thing

5:21

I got for you before we get into YSL, Andre

5:23

Dickens, any updates on

5:25

the- Well, has Peggy been- The water

5:27

boil advisory deal here? That's where I

5:29

was going with that. It's just a

5:31

mess. I don't know how else to

5:34

explain it. There were people,

5:36

and it was the weekend that I was in Las Vegas, but

5:38

I think there were people who didn't have water for a

5:40

full 72 plus hours. I

5:43

was thankful to be out of town. My house

5:45

is actually affected by it, I think

5:47

for a full day. My wife

5:49

took the kids up to her parents, up

5:51

in the suburbs. So she was,

5:54

they didn't really suffer under that, but something

5:57

needs to be done, man. We'll dive into it

5:59

more. and how it relates to

6:02

Atlanta, just kind of

6:04

mayor culture. I know you're a big Bill

6:06

Campbell guy. Mayor Dickens has some

6:08

questions that need to be answered. I mean, the

6:10

dude ducked the questions for 24 hours. There

6:14

was no- Which is crazy, because he

6:16

seems like the most reputable guy that's

6:19

been in office in Atlanta since, that

6:21

he's surely front. Tech grad, engineer, very

6:25

buttoned up mayor, but how

6:27

he's handling the first crisis that that 2 a.m.

6:30

call has yet to be resolved. All

6:37

right, so let's establish your bona

6:39

fides, Jordan's bona fides as well.

6:41

Jeff, you're a lawyer by chair?

6:45

Is that correct? I am not a lawyer. I

6:48

am merely, guess if you had to sum it

6:50

up, I'm merely an Atlanta hip hop enthusiast,

6:52

I guess with an ear to the streets. I

6:55

first encountered Young Thug in 2013. So

6:59

full disclosure, I've been more or less a

7:01

high school basketball coach for the past 10

7:03

plus years. And this is

7:05

like 2013. So my first year

7:07

in the game or two, during halftime,

7:10

I heard this really catchy

7:12

song, kind of screechy sounding, a

7:14

little different. And the

7:16

chorus is, I'm a stoner, I'm a stoner,

7:18

I'm a stoner. And

7:23

especially coming from a Catholic school

7:25

background, you would know that's

7:27

not something that you would hear at

7:30

the Marist school during halftime. Oh,

7:33

this was at a home game? This was,

7:35

well, this was, yeah. Or

7:37

at a Marist home game. Okay,

7:40

I gotcha. So I'm like, okay, what's

7:42

going on here? Do

7:45

a little research, it's like the hottest song of 2013, late

7:47

2013. And

7:51

I find out it's this guy from South

7:54

Atlanta, named Young

7:56

Thug. And we can dive more

7:58

into like what I find appealing. about him and

8:00

stuff. I mean more or less if I had to sum it up, like

8:03

he's kind of like the prince of

8:05

hip-hop and that he really like style-wise

8:08

doesn't care, music-wise doesn't care, but he's

8:10

like a super creative guy and that's

8:12

what always kind of stuck with me about him and

8:14

that's why I kind of found his music catchy. So

8:16

I mean yeah I guess my bona fides have been

8:18

at that because I've always really kind of liked rap

8:20

music and had the

8:24

great fortune to be from Atlanta and

8:26

coming of age, you know some canonical, you

8:28

know, beyond outcast, you know the Baby D's

8:30

of the world, Lil Jon

8:33

and the Eastside Boys, you know,

8:35

that kind of stuff and that's

8:38

kind of what I've always listened to and young folks

8:40

always kind of fallen under that umbrella. Neil

8:43

and I are still big Baby

8:45

D fans. Oh yeah, I used to bump that

8:47

in the what he called his Tahoe, the ho,

8:49

the purple ho, that

8:51

stubble for you. Yeah, Jordan you're

8:53

learning all sorts of stuff about

8:56

the about the Schuster slash Carter

8:58

Brothers hair. I love the lore. Every

9:00

time I edit, every time my heart

9:02

feels richer for knowing more. Yeah, Neil,

9:04

you know, I had it first.

9:07

My mom drove it for, gosh,

9:09

probably probably 12 years.

9:11

I got it from her. I

9:14

drove it and then Neil threw a

9:16

couple of, a couple

9:19

of JL audio 12 W2s

9:21

in the back and you

9:25

could hear them coming from a mile away. So

9:27

Jordan, what are your bona

9:29

fides as far as, you know, how have you

9:31

become one of my go-to's as far as when

9:33

I need something translated

9:36

or an update on

9:39

rap culture and hip-hop culture? Well,

9:43

specifically Young Thug has held a

9:45

really centric role in my media

9:47

and just music consumption for a

9:50

while. So I didn't really get

9:52

into rap super deeply until maybe

9:54

end of high school going into

9:56

college and around the year 2015.

10:00

a really prolific mixtape called Barter

10:02

Six came out, which I think

10:04

we'll touch on a little bit

10:06

later, which is very

10:09

relevant to this YSL trial. I,

10:11

at the time, I listened to it, and

10:14

I remember being in my dorm room

10:17

and just thinking, wow,

10:19

this is art. This

10:21

is truly like some of the best

10:23

thing I've listened to. I

10:27

ended up becoming a vinyl enthusiast, and

10:29

the first vinyl record I bought was

10:32

Barter Six. Truly, like what Jeff was

10:34

saying, Young

10:37

Thug is just very

10:39

unorthodox, not afraid to try

10:41

different things in terms of

10:44

fashion, in terms of music. He

10:46

just pushes the envelope in a

10:48

lot of different ways, and that's

10:51

how he really commanded the trap

10:53

scene. YSL, as

10:55

a record label, became one of the

10:58

more prolific labels in the late 2010s,

11:01

and kind of framed a lot of my college experience,

11:03

to be honest. I went to college between the years

11:05

of 2015 and 2019, and

11:09

there wasn't a party or social

11:12

gathering that took

11:14

place where you didn't hear Young Thug. I

11:18

have a lot of fond memories

11:20

listening to Young Thug, Barter

11:22

Six being my first record. Gosh,

11:25

the amount of memes and jokes. I'm

11:28

sure you guys have seen the joke of

11:30

Young Thug leading over the computer, glancing

11:33

very closely to the monitor. That's a

11:35

famous one. Young

11:37

Thug has just such a footprint

11:39

on our culture, but specifically as

11:42

a proud Zillennial

11:45

has meant a lot to my life. Where

11:49

should we start? Setting

11:51

some context for... How

11:54

basic do we want to go with this? Because

11:57

I think there's... We can talk about

11:59

this for four hours. hours, but we've got what

12:01

60 to 75 minutes here. What,

12:04

like how best do you guys, do you

12:06

guys want to lead it and have me

12:09

ask you stupid clarifying questions? Do you want,

12:11

uh, how do you want to go about

12:13

this? Should we clarify what YSL is versus

12:16

what Young Thug is saying? It's what the

12:18

state is saying it is. Yeah.

12:21

Let's start there. Like what is, what

12:23

is YSL as a label, as a state

12:26

saying it's a gang, who else

12:28

is in YSL? Let's just start there. On

12:30

a basic level, Jeffrey Williams, AKA

12:33

Young Thug would tell you that

12:35

YSL is a

12:38

record label. Why, um, Young

12:40

Slime Life YSL. Um,

12:43

his attorney, Brian Steele would tell you

12:45

that Thug stands for truly humble under

12:47

God. So this record label was,

12:49

I don't know the exact year. I assume it

12:52

would have been the early 2010s when he, whether

12:54

he had the record label

12:56

before he put out the Stoner single or

12:58

whether he made the record label after, but

13:00

either way, uh, it's

13:02

been a, like I said, it's a record label. It

13:05

has some affiliates like Gunna, Yak

13:07

Gotti, Lil Woody, uh,

13:09

and some other characters that some people, a

13:11

lot of people produce music. There's happened to

13:13

R&B singers as well. Um, some, this is

13:16

scaping me off the top of my head,

13:18

but he was in, so they had

13:21

this record label. He was ultimately indicted

13:23

in 20, well, his legal, again, you

13:25

could go through his legal history. Like

13:28

he's like multiple arrests leading up to

13:30

the, uh, the state indictment. And I

13:33

think it's worth clarifying that it's a state indictment and

13:35

not a federal indictment, but,

13:37

um, he was, Jordan, when was he

13:39

indicted by, by Fulton County? 22. The

13:42

22. So I mean, and you

13:45

got a, for, and

13:47

for crimes rate, like reaching how far back?

13:53

Okay. So pretty, pretty soon

13:55

thereafter, the YSL label.

13:58

Yeah. all

16:00

these places that, you know, some of them, Magic City

16:02

obviously still exists, but places that have shut down, it's

16:04

all kind of a part

16:06

of Atlanta lore. But so

16:09

like, What key detail I

16:11

left out was a YSL member, Pee

16:13

Wee Roscoe was the one who allegedly

16:16

shut up the bus. Allegedly. Okay.

16:20

And some of this, so is all of this, you

16:22

know, with, is this like a New

16:24

Orleans Atlanta beef or is this, you know,

16:27

kind of how did, how did that

16:30

come about? The Lil Wayne

16:32

Birdman, like this rivalry, like, is

16:34

this just Atlanta and New Orleans

16:36

not getting along or? I

16:39

think the Lil Wayne and Birdman thing just

16:41

stems from this money dispute that

16:43

had kind of been, it kind of came

16:45

to a head ultimately. Cause you know, I

16:47

think Birdman is Lil Wayne's adopted father and

16:50

there have been some, you know, that's a,

16:52

that's a whole other tangent. I

16:54

think, and I know that Lil Wayne has

16:56

mentioned that he has love for the blood

16:59

street gang and obviously a young

17:01

thug does or has allegedly

17:03

as well. So I don't know

17:05

if it was infighting among the bloods. Um,

17:08

I just know that there was some kind of dispute,

17:10

but if you then like fast forward, it's that's 2015. He,

17:14

I think he got arrested a couple of times

17:16

for, he got his house, he

17:19

got his house raided by the state, uh,

17:22

multiple guns, hydrocodone, just

17:25

basically a grab bag of illegal things.

17:28

Um, those charges are ultimately dismissed

17:30

except for felony marijuana possession because,

17:33

uh, there's something wrong with the warrant and his

17:35

lawyer got it all thrown out. I

17:37

think that was the first time that he

17:40

like proudly sang my lawyer's Brian Steele, which,

17:42

uh, ironically, uh, down the line, he would

17:44

defend him and probably the biggest case of

17:46

his life. But then,

17:48

but then that was his house in

17:50

Buckhead, right? Like lives, I want to

17:53

say Sandy Springs yet, or that, that

17:55

general kind of area. Yeah.

17:58

Super posh neighborhood though. So

18:00

any fast forward to 2022 and this all comes to a head. I

18:05

mean, it's like, is it 50

18:07

something or 70 something counts in the indictment?

18:12

Also, we got to go

18:14

back to 2015 just for a second because

18:17

basically the crux of

18:19

this, even though there are 56 counts, the

18:22

crux of all of this is the murder

18:24

of Big Nut, which took place in 2015.

18:30

Big Nut, not the Ohio State

18:33

fan Big Nut. This is a different Big

18:35

Nut. No, Donovan

18:37

Thomas. Yeah, RIP. Okay.

18:41

What's Donovan Thomas' deal? So

18:43

Donovan Thomas is in a different

18:46

faction of the Bloods, I believe.

18:49

And basically there is a

18:52

hit put out on him. The

18:54

whole crux of this is Young Thug is,

18:57

I don't know if Young

18:59

Thug ordered this guy to have Donovan

19:01

Thomas killed. So he

19:03

rents a allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, yes,

19:05

sorry, allegedly on everything. So

19:08

he allegedly has a silver

19:10

infinity sedan. This is mentioned

19:12

often in this trial, by the way,

19:14

just, I've been hearing

19:16

silver infinity sedan, I think, for the past

19:18

two years, multiple times. But

19:21

he has this silver infinity sedan

19:23

rented. And this is where

19:25

someone who's actually today was testifying,

19:28

sort of. We'll

19:31

get into that more. Lil Woody,

19:33

who is involved. And

19:36

so the murder of Donovan Thomas, which

19:39

I believe also took place in Atlanta, splits

19:41

up the Bloods. And

19:43

that's where all of this kind of

19:45

starts getting really, really

19:48

contentious. What

19:50

is, like, when the state indicts, what's their,

19:52

what are they saying their case is? There's

19:55

these 56 counts. I

19:57

mean, the state's alleging that. Young

20:00

Thug is the head of YSL, which is

20:02

a criminal enterprise gang, which is on

20:05

a state level, which is a state where he

20:07

goes different than federal, which is kind of interesting.

20:10

But there is basically alleging that

20:12

he's using this record label as

20:15

a front for being a street gang. And I

20:17

think honestly, and especially when I

20:19

try to explain this to people, I kind of get

20:21

caught up a lot. And it's kind of, I

20:24

think the fact that I'm having a hard

20:26

time explaining what he is, and he's

20:29

being accused of being a bad guy, like

20:31

the leader of a gang. Bad, bad

20:34

guy. He's being

20:36

bad guys all the time. And to Jordan's

20:38

point, like the murder of Big Nut is

20:40

tied to it, but

20:42

that they can't fully show

20:45

it or explain it, I think is kind of just

20:47

kind of the crux of the case. And

20:50

we can kind of talk about potential outcomes at

20:52

the end. But there's just so many

20:54

things, like so many witnesses, so many things that

20:56

get tied into it, that it's just all, it's

20:58

just like, it's overwhelming. And

21:01

it was shown in the

21:03

10 months that it took to see the

21:05

jury. It's being shown right now in the

21:08

exasperation by the judge, by

21:10

the prosecutor, by everybody. It's

21:12

like Young Thug has gone through like three

21:14

different body phases. He showed up looking normal.

21:16

He gained a bunch of weight eating a

21:19

bunch of stuff from the vending machine. And

21:21

now he's noticeably slimmer again. This is how,

21:23

we're in the thick of it,

21:25

a year plus, and it's literally showing no

21:28

sign of honestly going anywhere, but they still

21:30

have to call like 200 more

21:32

witnesses. Can we quickly go into

21:34

detail while Young Thug's declining health

21:36

throughout this trial? Because I think it

21:38

was particularly interesting. So his attorney

21:40

back in 2023 requested that they give Young

21:45

Thug bond because of this, saying,

21:48

quote, the rapper is languishing

21:50

in the county jail, unquote,

21:53

without bond due to a poor

21:55

diet, saying that he doesn't have

21:58

access to good food options instead.

22:00

eating food that has zero health

22:02

benefits, quote, like chocolate and chips.

22:05

He spent limited time outdoors, which is

22:07

impacting his health and isn't able to

22:09

get much exercise either due to his

22:11

small cell. The time he gets fresh

22:13

air is when he's taken to and

22:15

from the courthouse. Steele also

22:18

says Thug is, quote, sleep

22:20

deprived, only sleeping for five hours each

22:22

night and on court days, he has

22:24

to wake up between three and four

22:26

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22:28

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fanduel.com/sportsbook. Now back to the

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episode. Real quick, just setting

25:45

the context here for Atlanta in general, like

25:48

both the city and like Fulton County and

25:50

the state and all this. So

25:53

concurrent with this, you have all the Trump elections.

26:00

under the same precedent as young thugs. So,

26:02

all right. So you've got that. Who is the,

26:04

let's go through some of the characters here

26:06

because I think also

26:09

you've got kind of a political

26:11

climate in Atlanta and

26:14

in Georgia that are very polarized,

26:17

very on edge, crime's gotten

26:19

worse on the heels of a

26:22

bunch of people moving back into the city. Like, people

26:25

are on edge, people want law and

26:27

order there, but also, they

26:30

don't want a frivolous waste of the state's

26:32

resources as well, right? Yeah,

26:34

and to your point, people are already saying

26:36

that this is gonna be the most expensive

26:39

trial in state history, just

26:41

for the, like I said, the amount of people involved

26:43

and the time it's taken. So

26:45

who is, let's talk about the attorneys, let's

26:50

talk about, take us through the characters

26:53

here. Yeah,

26:55

so Fonnie Willis is the DA. She's

26:58

the Fulton County prosecutor. Like

27:01

you just mentioned, she's

27:03

prosecuting Donald Trump for election

27:06

interference in 2020. She's

27:09

been known to kind of use

27:11

the RICO statute because the state

27:13

RICO statute is relatively new compared

27:16

to the federal RICO. Obviously, the

27:18

federal RICO is, I

27:20

don't know if it was invented to take down

27:22

organized crime in America, but it was used extensively

27:25

to take down the mafia

27:27

back in the 70s and 80s and 90s. Fonnie

27:30

Willis has used it more

27:33

recently, some other notable things besides the young

27:35

thug and Trump stuff. I mean, she used

27:37

it to take down some teachers

27:39

who the Atlanta Public

27:42

Schools teaching scandal, I think back

27:44

in 2009, where the teachers

27:46

were, they

27:49

were given a bonus by the state if the

27:51

kids got a certain grade on the test, so

27:53

they would alter the test to use that because

27:56

money was involved and it was an organized criminal

27:58

enterprise. So she's a debt. using

28:00

Ricos. She's been the DA, I

28:03

don't know how long, I know

28:05

she's been in there for a

28:07

minute. 2020. She defeated her former boss,

28:09

Paul Howard, sixth term incumbent. So that was

28:12

my point. She's worked within the Fulton County

28:14

DA's office for 10 plus years.

28:17

So yeah, she's an established prosecutor.

28:21

And then allegedly she's banging

28:24

one of her subordinates. Yeah, well, yeah,

28:27

allegedly, that's still yet to be resolved.

28:29

I think there's another hearing her

28:32

and Nathan Wade, the special

28:34

prosecutor in the Trump election interference

28:36

thing. Yeah,

28:39

it's just a mess, dude. And it's kind

28:42

of like, it's just kind of indicative of

28:44

Atlanta as a whole, just like stuff

28:47

that we just need to figure out. I mean, we're joking

28:49

earlier about the crumbling infrastructure

28:51

with the water and just we

28:53

can't even like, don't

28:57

sleep with your co-workers when you're trying

28:59

to prosecute them, like allegedly, that

29:02

kind of thing. But yeah. Yeah, allegedly trying

29:04

the most high profile case, one of the

29:07

most high profile cases in the history of

29:09

our country. And like the crazy

29:11

part is Fulton County is far

29:14

more functional and like, highly

29:16

functional than like DeKalb County

29:18

for sure. Yeah.

29:20

So I mean, and even back to

29:22

Jordan's point about Young Thug, like languishing

29:25

in jail, like he's languishing in Cobb

29:27

County Jail, which is the

29:29

county northwest of Fulton, where Atlanta is.

29:32

He's in Cobb, partly because of his

29:34

own, for his own safety, but mostly

29:36

because Fulton County Jail is so overcrowded

29:38

and it's literally falling apart. Like,

29:41

like the sheriff, Sheriff Pat

29:43

Lebat, he's going up

29:45

for reelection, but he led recently

29:47

like a media tour, like with

29:49

AJC reporters through the, through, they

29:51

call it Rice Street colloquially, led

29:54

them through Rice Street. And he's literally pointing to

29:56

like, things falling off the wall. He's like, Oh

29:58

yeah, this is how they make shame. The

30:00

jail is literally falling apart and it's

30:02

overcrowded. So that's why he's in

30:04

Cobb. I mean, he's a high profile guy. So

30:08

they wanted to make sure safety for

30:10

sure. But like, there are a lot

30:12

of people who commit crimes in Fulton

30:14

County and are held in adjacent counties

30:16

because Fulton, there isn't any room for

30:19

anybody. And Sheriff Labatt wants to rebuild the

30:21

jail but it's gonna cost a billion

30:23

plus dollars. And I don't know if

30:25

the taxpayers wanna be on the hook for that right now. All

30:28

right, so you guys, so basically from here on out, just

30:31

explain to me the case,

30:33

what's transpired. I feel like we haven't

30:36

even like fully described. No,

30:38

all humans scratched the surface. I know, it's

30:40

like, when I say he's being accused of

30:42

being a bad guy, that's like, on

30:44

the basic level, he's being accused of running

30:47

a criminal enterprise called Young Slime

30:50

Life. And as

30:52

a gang, that's what

30:54

the state's saying. While his defense is, it's just

30:56

a record label and you're prosecuting me, my friend.

30:59

Like on the most basic level, at least that's

31:01

how I perceive it. Jordan, correct me if I'm

31:04

wrong. No, you're absolutely correct.

31:06

One thing about Fonny Willis that I

31:08

think we'd be remiss not to mention,

31:10

she represented a co-founder of YSL

31:13

in 2019 before

31:15

she was the DA on

31:18

an aggravated assault case. She

31:20

represented YSL Mondo. So

31:22

if you thought

31:24

the Fulton County Jail was rather flimsy, this

31:26

case might be flimsier. So

31:30

is there certain stuff that would then be attorney-client

31:33

privilege under that case, but

31:36

now she's state, she can't

31:38

use certain stuff because? Like

31:41

talking to some people, like

31:44

some lawyers I know, they were just confused that

31:46

this case was brought up just because it's just

31:49

so broad and usually when you

31:51

wanna try cases, you wanna

31:53

win them, right? And like, I

31:55

guess it all kind of hinges on young

31:58

thug ordering, like that's like the... direct

32:00

thing and I think they have text messages and

32:03

other things and they're trying to get witnesses which we'll go

32:05

into in a second I think about how the witnesses are

32:07

all to kind of turning but like

32:10

again like I don't know what exactly what

32:13

proof they had they're saying that he ordered Big

32:15

Nuts murder via

32:17

Lil Woody. If

32:19

they've done a good job of proving that so far

32:21

I don't know and then on time I mean the

32:23

50-something other counts are all kind of I mean

32:26

you have drug trafficking I think you have

32:28

some money laundering in there just like

32:32

the classic Rico type yeah gun so you

32:34

have Fonny on that it's not interstate stuff

32:36

like so they so they're not the feds

32:38

so they don't have the same wiretap

32:42

or retool yeah

32:44

it's contained to

32:46

Atlanta okay so

32:50

yeah so yeah I

32:52

mean so start with like so jury selection was

32:54

obviously I mean my mom was calling me she's

32:57

like I keep getting called

32:59

for jury duty and like the

33:02

last thing I want to do is be

33:04

on this trial and give away four years

33:06

of my life you know and so they

33:08

literally couldn't feel the jury right for like

33:11

a year or so like they just kept cycling

33:13

through candidates yeah he was warning them

33:15

like this like you're like your mom like Peggy

33:17

said like this will this is going

33:19

to be a year plus based on the amount of witnesses

33:21

that we think are going to be called so I mean

33:23

would you want to give up a

33:25

year plus to your life to do dirt like so

33:28

that's you know obviously you're gonna make up

33:30

an excuse right well and there

33:32

was there was all sorts of like you

33:35

know jury intimidation witness into yeah all

33:37

sorts of crazy shit going on I simply would not want

33:39

to be on this jury there there is not enough money

33:41

in the world that would make me want to be on

33:43

this jury I mean even dirt

33:46

you talk about so they it takes them

33:48

10 months to do it during that time

33:50

you have you already had the shenanigans happening

33:52

with you know allegedly people trying to pass

33:54

people elicit objects in court

33:56

you have lawyers over sleeping and showing

33:58

up late Um,

34:02

you have the judge and we find out

34:04

very passionate, kind of a big personality. So

34:06

I mean, they, but they finally do just

34:09

judge Jeff Glanville the whole way. So he's

34:11

the judge. So

34:13

yeah, he's, I mean, so I, before I do anything

34:15

about him, I like kind of pull up one of

34:17

the feeds just to kind of see, cause they finally

34:20

see the jury after 10 months and

34:22

you know, however you are a dog

34:24

person, not a dog person. And I know Randy's not

34:26

here right now, but like he has

34:29

a big like bulldog, like, I don't know what

34:31

kind of dog, like a big ass dog sitting

34:33

next to him on his bench. So he brings

34:35

his dog into court every day. Like a live

34:37

dog. Yeah. I thought every day

34:39

I've seen it, like he's there, the dog's just chilling.

34:43

And so this is, this is televised every

34:45

day. Like there's a feed or, or, or

34:47

streamed every day. As soon as they finally

34:49

got the jury in place, like this is,

34:51

yeah, so it's kind of like the modern

34:54

day OJ trial, just local to Atlanta. You

34:57

want to put it that way. Yeah. Um,

35:00

it's a feed through Fulton County. Like you

35:02

get to get unbiased, like no commentary, just

35:04

the camera, um, on the

35:06

court and I mean, so they, like

35:09

I said, 10 months in, they see the jury

35:11

and very fast, uh, one

35:13

of the, I don't know if she was an alternate or if

35:15

she was already on the jury, but she

35:18

did show up for like a mo

35:20

an early motion and

35:23

the other culinary, where you add, are you late? And

35:26

they figure out that she's in the Dominican

35:28

Republic and it skipped

35:30

a, her jury duty and judge Glanville,

35:33

you know, rules with an iron fist

35:35

makes her write a 30 page paper

35:37

with 10 primary sources, 10 secondary sources.

35:40

So I mean that, like, like that alone, I

35:42

knew, okay, we're in for something, uh, kind of

35:44

outside the line to the judge is making you

35:47

write, you know, college style research papers. Just

35:50

like, and just, and it kind of, and it's just been

35:53

going, like, it's like one thing after the other, but

35:55

you get, it's almost like you're talking about how

35:58

it's like, like, you know, there are. like

36:00

moments within the OJ trial that were like,

36:02

you know, like kind of breathtaking type stuff.

36:05

There hasn't really been well until last week

36:07

with the whole Brian Steele thing which I

36:10

think will be its own segment in

36:12

a second. There hadn't

36:14

really been any of the ooh and aah

36:16

moments. It's just been so much like there

36:18

have been so many just silly, not

36:21

corny but just like goofy moments

36:23

between people falling asleep

36:25

on the witness stand because they're too high

36:28

or a lawyer over admittedly

36:30

oversleeping. Let's just run through

36:32

them, right? I mean

36:34

the greatest hits like your favorite moments. I

36:37

mean, I'm not going to go

36:39

through everyone because I feel like Jordan and I might overlap

36:41

but if I had to name a couple, one

36:44

would be Adrian Bean. He's a

36:46

state's witness called in to

36:48

testify against young thug and

36:50

you know, he it's from the jump. It

36:52

looks like okay, this guy's a little off

36:54

like, you know, exactly a little loopy and

36:57

he finally admits that I'm really I'm too

36:59

high to testify in court right now. Quote,

37:02

can I get water or something? I'm so high right

37:04

now y'all about to go to sleep about to go

37:06

to sleep on y'all. After he's

37:09

given a bottle of water, Bean was asked by

37:11

the DA Adrian love if he needed a moment.

37:14

Bean responded, gathered himself and said, no,

37:16

let's keep the ball rolling. So you're

37:21

like, you know, there's so many moments

37:23

like that. I mean, like during jury

37:25

selection, this dude named Khaleef

37:27

Williams, like basically jumps

37:29

the rail, runs up the

37:31

young thug, gives the old

37:33

high five with something in

37:35

his palms, the thug, the sheriff,

37:38

the bailiff kind of what's happening, wait a minute,

37:40

walks up and it's a Percocet. So

37:42

like a dude trying to smuggle like drugs

37:44

within within the court, like the gall this

37:46

man to try to do that, right?

37:48

Like I don't know if he's trying to like prove

37:50

himself to thug or a thug like arranged

37:53

it. There's just so many I mean,

37:55

between the judge having to read out lyrics

37:57

to a young thug song called

38:00

slime shit. Like imagine you're like,

38:02

you know, the most buttoned up person you know,

38:04

having to read a Young Thug lyric, like unedited

38:07

line for line, like with a straight face. And

38:10

then like, you know, the multiple clips of them

38:12

playing songs and like, you know, you like the

38:14

camera will pan for a second and

38:16

Young Thug's box, they're all kind of bobbing their

38:19

head. Brian Steele is like bobbing along and the

38:21

prosecutors all straight rigid trying to act like nothing's

38:23

happening. It's just, I mean, it's

38:25

just, I don't know, Jordan, what are some of your favorites?

38:29

Oh gosh. Well, on the line

38:31

of Young Thug being Snuck a

38:33

Percocet in the courtroom, Yak

38:35

Gotti, who we will definitely touch

38:37

on. He is a major character

38:39

in this trial. His mom tried

38:42

to sneak him rolling papers and

38:44

tobacco and was subsequently

38:46

arrested for that. This made

38:48

my year very early in

38:50

the year, but Young Thug's

38:53

girlfriend, Mariah the scientist visited

38:56

Young Thug. Is she a rapper

38:58

as well? She is an artist.

39:00

Yes. She's more of an R&B artist. I

39:03

can personally attest I've seen her in

39:05

concert. She was, she was a lot

39:07

of fun, but she's Young Thug's girlfriend

39:10

and went to visit him. I believe

39:12

these calls took place late

39:14

last year and their calls

39:17

in prison were leaked

39:20

earlier this year. And there's a lot

39:23

to them, just a lot of canoodling

39:25

and romance as much as you

39:29

can. At one point there's

39:31

this line where she says, daddy,

39:33

am I your baby? And it's

39:36

just the funniest thing. And

39:38

there was some discourse about this

39:40

saying, oh, their privacy was violated.

39:42

They shouldn't have been leaked or

39:44

whatever, but it's like, come on. Your

39:47

boyfriend is the virtually

39:50

the most famous rapper on the planet right

39:52

now by proxy of his criminal case, but

39:54

also just, you know, his impact on rap.

39:56

Like you really didn't think someone was going

39:58

to get ahold of these. And in

40:00

the midst of this, he's releasing new albums from jail.

40:09

Summer last year, I think this was June

40:11

last year, he dropped Business is Business, which

40:14

we really have to get into because there's

40:16

a little bit of tea in there. Let's

40:18

just say some of it has to do

40:20

with one of his YSL co-founders, Gunna. There's

40:22

a little bit of tea, there's a little

40:24

bit of contention in there. But

40:27

yeah, he did drop music. But I

40:29

will say my second favorite, I think

40:32

my second favorite moment from this case

40:34

that's come out was the fact that

40:36

in the States evidence, they

40:39

had fan made album covers like

40:41

the ones that you'd kind of

40:43

find on like SoundCloud or YouTube

40:45

for, you know, random songs

40:48

that never quite got a release. They

40:51

had fan made album covers as

40:53

evidence for The Young Thug and

40:55

Lil Wayne Beef. So I found

40:58

that really charming. And some of that

41:00

comes down to like that plus the lyrics come

41:02

down to like free speech

41:04

and artistic expression versus taking stuff

41:06

literal. Like that seemed to be

41:09

a big theme early on. Yeah.

41:11

Yeah. Late last year,

41:13

Judge Glanville basically said we can

41:16

use song lyrics. They don't

41:18

violate the First Amendment. And so that's also

41:20

been a pretty big basis for the case.

41:22

Hence why they are playing songs in court.

41:26

I picked out a particular lyric from Barter

41:28

Six, the album I was talking about earlier

41:30

that came out about nine years ago

41:32

that I thought was really

41:34

interesting. It's one of my favorite songs.

41:36

It's called Dream. And it goes, it's

41:38

a verse between Yak Gotti, who is

41:41

also a co-defendant in this case, and

41:43

Young Thug. And I'll read this verse

41:45

out to you guys because I think

41:47

it is, it's notable.

41:49

Just give me a moment. It

41:51

goes, hey, how you doing? I'm Yak

41:54

Gotti. I got bodies on bodies. I'm

41:57

with Thugger. That's my Wodie. Yeah, my

41:59

route. that's my compadre. And

42:02

we solid. Oh, so solid. If I

42:04

get caught, I won't say nothing. Why

42:07

a sell bitch we mob and I'm

42:09

for real this beat knocking trigger

42:11

boy I got you Rico boy, I

42:14

got you. I took that excerpt from

42:16

genius. And it's funny because the annotation

42:18

from one contributor reads this

42:20

ain't aged too well. I

42:22

mean, my favorite part of that was that judge

42:25

Glanville had to read that like line for line

42:27

how you did that like just

42:29

hearing a judge like enter that and read

42:31

that out loud and something else. Just

42:33

look at another moments here. Tell me

42:35

about Angela de Williams. Well,

42:40

Miss Williams is the lawyer I forgot

42:43

for she's a state appointed lawyer because

42:45

you got to understand young foggess is

42:47

the only person being prosecuted here. It's

42:49

like 25 other people. So all these

42:52

like are so why so are all these guys

42:54

just like his boys are they are some of

42:56

them rappers some of them just like some of

42:58

them are rappers some of them are just his

43:00

friends and he's alleging that he's just like you're

43:02

coming after my friends because we have this hip

43:04

hop group that you don't like and you're trying

43:07

to pin some individual crimes on me as a

43:09

leader when that when that is not true. So

43:12

you have some people like Gunna who took a plea

43:14

deal who you

43:17

know he's a famous rapper as well from

43:19

the same kind of area south of you

43:21

know south side Atlanta area as

43:23

young thug arguably at one point was

43:26

well you know argue you know he's just he

43:28

was a very big rapper at one point. He's

43:32

kind of laid low since that since he

43:34

took that Alford plea which basically from

43:36

what I understand again not a lawyer but

43:38

from what I understand it's just saying I

43:41

acknowledge that

43:44

I'm saying that I'm innocent but I

43:46

acknowledge enough evidence to probably convict me

43:49

that's kind of how that works. So

43:51

he was. Would you say would

43:54

you say Gunna's maybe not laid low so much because

43:56

he's touring he dropped a new album this year I

43:58

would maybe would you say more? more like

44:00

you just kind of been blacklisted a

44:02

little bit from the hip cop community.

44:04

Yeah. So is he, is he labeled

44:06

a snitch? Like at what point in

44:08

the trial did Ghana get his lawyer,

44:10

Steve Sedow, which ironically enough is now

44:12

Donald Trump's lawyer and the other Donny

44:15

Fonny will his prosecution. Um,

44:17

his lawyer was adamant that,

44:19

you know, he's not a snitch. He took this plea.

44:21

It's not a snitch. He's not a snitch. He's not

44:24

a snitch. And you got, you got five years and

44:26

it was reduced to time served because he never got

44:28

bail. He was in jail for like a year and

44:30

a half, I think, until he took

44:32

the plea. Um, the Jordan's point. Yeah.

44:34

He's kind of been like, yeah,

44:36

he's not really why a cell. They

44:38

don't. The thing is they don't like, claim

44:41

him, but they don't like seem to put him down. It

44:43

seems like kind of like a clean break. But,

44:46

um, I think obviously young thug doesn't want to

44:48

say anything right now to, uh,

44:50

make it look like, and then as part of,

44:52

like, as part of the plea, did he have

44:54

to testify or he

44:57

literally, the only thing he testified to,

44:59

I think the lady, the

45:01

prosecutor made him say that, I

45:04

mean, verbatim, it's like young

45:06

YSL is a record label and

45:08

street gang enterprise. And he said,

45:10

yes, ma'am. But

45:13

like, like literally all she got him on the record

45:15

to say that it's a gang. And

45:18

it's like, it was like, and I think

45:20

from what I understand going into the trial,

45:22

they didn't have a lot of evidence on

45:24

Gunna and his lawyers do that. But

45:27

I think there's a lot of damning

45:29

evidence against young thug. It's just

45:31

a matter of like, can they get these

45:33

people to testify? I mean, even going, I

45:35

think it's worth going into a little woody

45:37

right now in the debacle that happened last

45:39

week. Just like if they,

45:41

this guy supposedly was going to be one of

45:44

the linchpins to pin all this stuff on young

45:46

thug and like last set last second, he, you

45:48

know, goes, you know, backs out of

45:50

it. And then we have the whole ex, I mean, Jordan, you want

45:52

to break down the ex

45:55

parte or ex parte? Again, not a lawyer.

45:57

That's a good question. I'm not quite sure.

46:00

And also I read it and that

46:02

was where I thought it went phonetically.

46:05

Can we put a bow on the Gunna topic

46:08

just for a second? This was interesting

46:10

because, you know, Young

46:13

Thug hasn't explicitly, of course, hasn't

46:15

explicitly said anything relating to Gunna,

46:17

but there was some speculation when

46:20

Business is Business dropped that

46:22

there's a song on the album.

46:24

First of all, Gunna's not on

46:27

the album, which in itself is

46:29

notable because Gunna and Young Thug

46:31

have obviously, as members of YSL

46:33

and frequent collaborators, like

46:36

they've done songs and albums

46:38

for years. And

46:40

it was so strange to not

46:42

see them on an album together.

46:44

But there's a song called Jonesboro

46:46

that was heavily speculated to be

46:48

about Gunna, of which lyrics

46:50

I shan't repeat. But

46:53

at the end, he basically says

46:55

he can't trust or miss him.

46:59

There's some debate about whether it's actually about

47:02

Gunna, but I think it's fairly implicit. Jonesboro

47:06

being the housing project that

47:08

Jonesboro North projects that I think they both

47:10

grew up there for a second. Okay.

47:15

So we got just

47:17

going through some singular moments because I

47:19

think we'll build up to the whole

47:22

little woody, contempt of court thing

47:24

last week. Because I

47:27

had some of the

47:29

most straight-laced corporate attorneys that are

47:31

friends of mine were reaching

47:33

out and they were like, this is the most insane thing I've

47:35

ever seen. This whole situation

47:37

is nuts. But all

47:40

right, so you got Angela Doolittle saying that she's

47:42

going to make an OnlyFans account because she's not

47:44

getting paid enough. That's the thing. You're

47:47

a state-appointed attorney. You

47:49

don't really have much say in it. Whether

47:53

or not you have to do an OnlyFans is another thing. I

47:56

think she also said that she would make more money

47:58

working at Chick-fil-A at this because

48:01

the amount of how long it's going to take,

48:03

the amount of work that she's doing is taking

48:05

away from her business, representing other people. I

48:08

don't know the kind of only thing she

48:11

was talking about, but yeah. You've got

48:13

the – is it Suri

48:15

Jimenez? Like

48:17

the guy that was late for court? Yeah,

48:20

he admittedly overslept before

48:22

Judge Glanville was making

48:24

people write research papers. This

48:26

is a defense attorney. This is on Young Thug's

48:28

team? Not on

48:31

Young Thug himself, but one of the other

48:33

people indicted. He was late, and the judge

48:35

said, all right, you're either going to be

48:37

found in a contemptive court, or you have

48:39

to bring in lunch for everybody. And instead

48:41

of bringing in your typical

48:43

platter of cold cuts or what have you, he

48:46

goes – I mean, just peak Atlanta moment,

48:48

goes to Magic City, and

48:51

brings – just tickled me – the

48:53

Lou Williams Special, the Lou Will Lemon

48:55

Pepper Wet Wings for the

48:57

whole court. Just

49:01

like peak Atlanta. Going

49:04

to the Spanish strip club and getting the

49:07

food. Allegedly, I've never been to Magic City.

49:09

Allegedly, the food is fantastic there. We've

49:13

got – let's see here. Anything else that

49:15

was – what's the deal with this –

49:18

is it Nicole Fagan or Fagan? She's

49:21

like the one that's always – she's like the –

49:24

Well, she just got indicted herself, right? Really?

49:27

But like

49:29

she's been like the rap lawyer as well? She's

49:32

more of an up-and-coming rap lawyer.

49:35

I think Drew Maddox has dubbed

49:37

himself the Atlanta's hip-hop

49:39

lawyer. He's

49:41

represented Gucci Mane and a couple of other

49:44

canonical Atlanta rappers. But

49:47

Ms. Fagan was representing –

49:49

I forgot who – in the RICO

49:52

trial, one of the defendants. And

49:56

she – I

49:59

don't know how she heard about it. but she heard that

50:01

one of her, one of

50:03

the got, one of her defendants, other friends

50:05

was being wiretapped and that he was about

50:07

to be, you know, like,

50:10

he was about to be arrested. And

50:12

then that basically ruined whatever arrest that

50:14

they were gonna make. And they very

50:16

quickly, they were able to tie it

50:18

back to, that

50:20

she was the tipster. Okay.

50:24

He's got a great Instagram account.

50:26

I enjoy that one immensely. Where

50:29

are we gonna go next? Where are we gonna go to the Lil Woody?

50:32

I think it's worth mentioning. So you

50:34

have all these like small instances of

50:37

like silly, like peak Atlanta type stuff.

50:40

And honestly, there hasn't been that,

50:42

like we were talking about earlier,

50:44

that those like OJ trial defining moments where it

50:46

went a certain kind of way until

50:49

last week with Lil Woody. I

50:52

would say that's, I mean, that's been like, like

50:54

you said, when I'm sure when some of your

50:56

lawyer friends started reaching out to you. I mean,

50:58

it's just, I mean, like Atlanta lawyers are like

51:00

mad about it. Like you were texting

51:03

me last week. You're like, you said, this

51:05

is Shakespearean. I'm gonna be up late

51:07

tonight. Give me that community deal. It's

51:10

straight out of the Godfather when they

51:12

bring Don back from Sicily during the

51:14

congressional hearing. And Frankie Five

51:16

Angels recants his statements. And then you

51:18

send this picture over a little Woody

51:20

just kind of, you know,

51:22

glancing up at the ceiling

51:24

like he's thinking. So what's like,

51:27

I mean, how does this case kind of hinge on

51:29

him and who is he? I

51:32

mean, I, he's accused of killing

51:34

Big Nut. We kind

51:36

of touched on it a little earlier about their kind

51:39

of disagreement, but he was going

51:41

to testify, he was a state's witness

51:44

who's being held until he

51:46

had made a plea deal that he would basically get

51:48

a lot of charges dropped. I don't know of all

51:50

of them, but he was basically gonna like have

51:53

his life given back to him. If

51:56

he would testify that Jeffrey Williams, AKA Young Thug

51:58

is the head of a criminal. And

52:01

he brought him to court to do it. And

52:03

just like in the Godfather and Frankie Five Angel

52:06

sees the dawn, kind

52:08

of like he, I think he sees Young Thug in

52:10

person and kind of gets cold feet and says, I'm

52:12

going to take the fifth. So

52:14

can you imagine this witness to the state's prep

52:16

who they've thrown this deal to, they

52:19

assume that he's going to say XYZ

52:21

to, you know, to make it look

52:23

damning on Young Thug's behalf. He

52:25

just totally flips and goes the other way. I'm going to take the fifth. I'm going

52:27

to take the fifth. I'm going to take the fifth. And

52:30

he says it so much, even they cut his mic and

52:33

he like loudly goes, I'm going to take the fifth.

52:35

Like, like, just like one more time in case anybody

52:37

didn't like get that. So

52:40

the judge is getting frustrated.

52:43

He calls this meeting an ex parte

52:45

ex party meeting with the

52:48

prosecutor, with the witness, and with

52:50

the judge in the judge's chambers.

52:52

And if you have one of

52:54

those meetings, again, not a lawyer,

52:58

but you're supposed to, at the very

53:00

minimum, record them. And

53:03

Brian Steele, what kind of annoyed Brian

53:05

Steele about it was that

53:07

he wasn't made, that he wasn't given

53:09

any notice about this because he would

53:11

want to be there because obviously he

53:14

was going to object because the implication

53:16

is that the prosecutor is like, we

53:18

are going to hold you in court until the trial is

53:20

over because we know how long this trial is going to

53:22

be. We're going to

53:25

hold you like in jail until you testify

53:27

basically with like coercion and intimidation, like in

53:30

the judge kind of basically signing off on it. And

53:32

so he so Brian

53:36

Steele raises all this up as a judge and

53:38

judge and court the next day. And the judge

53:40

is like, how the hell did

53:42

you hear about this? And he's like, you

53:44

know, like Brian Steele, I don't even care about that.

53:46

I'm just telling you, like, I should have been there.

53:49

This is what happened. Kind of a drop

53:51

the mic moment when he goes this honorable court,

53:53

he goes, excuse me, this court, just

53:56

kind of like a just a backhand shot

53:58

show of disrespect to Judge Glanville. But

54:00

Judge Glanville is basically like, you caught me breaking

54:02

the rules, but you got to tell me how

54:05

you found out. And I

54:07

think it's implied, a little what he's lawyer,

54:09

who he fired also, by the way. He doesn't even like

54:11

his lawyer, but his lawyer is like, screw it, I'm going

54:13

to tell Steele this. I think the

54:15

lawyer told Brian Steele, hey, this happened

54:17

and you should know about it. And

54:20

Brian Steele really was, you know, he's saying this

54:23

isn't right. He's a sworn witness. He

54:25

shouldn't have been there. I should have been

54:27

there if you were going to try to get him to, you

54:29

know, have this conversation and basically coerce him. And

54:32

Glanville, because, you know, he's kind of coming

54:34

off as a control freak, which

54:37

a lot of judges are, obviously. They want to have full

54:39

control over the courtroom. He doesn't

54:41

care about the fact that what he did

54:43

is, if not illegal, like very close

54:45

to it. He just wants to know, how did you

54:47

find out? And since Steele wouldn't say that,

54:49

he was found in contempt of court. Okay.

54:54

And then – all right, so he was

54:56

found in contempt of court, and then

54:58

Steele's – like, they're threatening to send Steele to

55:00

jail? Yeah. So he was

55:02

like, I'm going to give you – I think

55:04

the maximum you can sentence somebody is either $1,000

55:07

– I could be wrong on the monetary amount

55:09

– or 20 days in court. And

55:11

obviously, he wants to make his life – In jail? In

55:14

jail. Yeah, sorry. Excuse

55:16

me, jail. So he goes, all right. I'm giving you

55:18

20 days in jail. He got a report to Fulton

55:20

County Jail, 7 p.m. Friday. You get out at 7

55:23

p.m. Sunday. He has to do that for whoever that

55:25

math is, how many of our weekends in a row.

55:28

And it's – again, they keep calling

55:30

Steele a lawyer's lawyer. He

55:32

said, that would take away from

55:34

me preparing for the trial. Can

55:37

I please serve it in Cobb

55:39

County with Jeffrey so we can

55:41

plan together? And Glanville actually permitted

55:44

that. So that

55:46

happens. I forgot what day last

55:48

week that happened. The Atlanta

55:51

defense attorneys all kind of come to

55:53

Steele's aid. They file an emergency brief

55:55

to the state Supreme Court, and

55:58

they stay it. They

56:01

stay his sentencing. They're saying he probably won't

56:03

spend a day in jail. And

56:05

it's just on a basic level.

56:07

Whatever the outcome of this case,

56:11

like they say now he's

56:13

going to ask for the judge to recuse himself.

56:15

So Steele's going to ask for Glanville to recuse

56:17

himself because he's shown bias towards him. They say

56:20

the recusal process of something like this takes a

56:22

year. So

56:24

it's just adding more and more and more.

56:28

So we've got what, 400 witnesses?

56:30

We're halfway through the witness list?

56:32

Yeah, just about. They're saying it's

56:34

going to go until potentially 2026

56:40

if we get through all the witnesses that are

56:42

supposed to go. And then they're saying with the

56:44

inevitable appeals, if thugs

56:47

sound guilty, they're saying minimum 2027. So

56:50

that's like, imagine you're a poor

56:52

juror on this case. You

56:55

know, you're a year and a half animal. You're giving

56:57

up like half a decade at this point. Like

57:02

it's crazy. It's like your worst

57:04

nightmare. You think about it like it's crazy.

57:07

Can we go over some of the

57:09

antics of which Lil Woody has demonstrated

57:12

silence in the courtroom? He's

57:14

claimed to have had a hearing problem, a

57:18

visual problem, identified

57:20

as special needs, has

57:22

repeatedly said what you mean, and

57:25

also tried to fire his attorney

57:27

in the middle of it and

57:29

quote, she fired. I don't want

57:32

her. And

57:34

he was hitting it off with the

57:38

clerk or, you

57:41

know, like they were hitting on each other. He

57:43

was commenting on her shoes. They had a debate on

57:45

the color of her sweater. If

57:48

you've ever seen succession, it's kind of like when

57:50

Cousin Gregg's trying to not implicate himself during that

57:52

congressional hearing, like if it is so it shall

57:54

be, it's like her sweaters

57:56

white. And I forgot

57:58

what he said. said the judge is like your

58:01

sweaters white he goes well to you

58:03

it is he's like but is it white he goes yeah and

58:06

he goes okay so you just said it

58:08

he goes but to you it is and

58:10

it's like this like he's playing he's playing

58:12

this like circular game and to Jordan's point

58:14

he's trying to under the guise of saying

58:16

that perhaps that he has special needs or

58:19

that he can't fully hear he's got just

58:21

a classic just southwest Atlanta twang to how

58:23

he talks and I mean his name's Lil

58:25

Woody I mean it's like these I mentioned

58:27

that it's Shakespearean but the names are just

58:29

like instead of like Iago and Mercutio you

58:31

have a big nut

58:34

Lil Woody yak gotti you

58:36

know YFN Lucci on the other side

58:38

it's just like it's just yeah all

58:41

right so how does the whole like

58:43

YFN thing what is YFN how do

58:45

they relate to YSL that

58:48

whole thing what is the

58:50

YFN acronym I actually don't know Youngfly

58:55

something that we can't say on this podcast okay

58:59

and you know I'm chon your guy

59:02

YFN Lucci every day we

59:04

lit right that was a banger in like 2016 right

59:06

it was that was

59:09

a banger and so

59:12

and it's like YFN like like

59:14

are these like just Atlanta or

59:16

are they all over any

59:19

different cities as well what's

59:22

interesting YSL like

59:25

when you listen to like national media they

59:27

talk about this Cleveland Avenue neighborhood from I

59:29

understand Cleveland Avenue is a street in southwest

59:31

Atlanta like kind of on your way up

59:33

from the airport that kind

59:36

of general Sylvan Hills yeah it's like

59:38

one of the last exits yeah so

59:40

it's just like it's a loose again

59:44

it kind of comes down till it's very

59:46

subjective on what you constitute like what a

59:48

gang is like it's how

59:52

much control Youngthug has over a bunch of

59:55

they're all that's that's the interesting part all

59:57

these people are are much younger than

59:59

him And kind of the

1:00:01

influence that he has over these kids whether he has

1:00:03

influence over them as a gang leader or whether

1:00:05

he has Influence over them as just being

1:00:08

this hip-hop superstar and these kids are

1:00:10

like doing stuff out of like tribute to him So

1:00:12

you think you have I mean to answer

1:00:14

your question it is I think why a

1:00:16

cell is mostly confined to Atlanta same with

1:00:18

YFN, you know, you have the

1:00:20

classic not really I shouldn't say classic but

1:00:23

just that really kind of disturbing video It

1:00:25

looks like a hostage video of the YFN guy

1:00:27

and the YSL guy in the Fulton County jail

1:00:30

fighting Like so I know

1:00:32

the jail is so the jail is literally

1:00:34

divided between YSL and YFN and like other

1:00:36

kind of Subaffiliates and

1:00:38

then basically they were trying to like

1:00:41

scrape the guy's tattoo Yeah, the guy at a

1:00:43

YSL tattoo and with a shank they're trying to

1:00:45

yes I mean you shine it's

1:00:47

it's kind of crazy and again kind of going back

1:00:50

to Just an indictment of

1:00:52

the system at large that like our

1:00:55

jail the biggest jail in Fulton Or

1:00:57

excuse me the biggest County jail or

1:00:59

the what I'm trying to say is this

1:01:01

is a county jail Which is usually

1:01:04

just for holding and then your your process either

1:01:06

state or you know, you go wherever I mean

1:01:08

it had the most murders of any jail in

1:01:11

Georgia last year or more so than some state

1:01:13

prisons This is it's just

1:01:15

gotten totally kind of out of control So

1:01:17

why what but why a fan kind of figures in

1:01:20

and that they were again a music

1:01:23

They maybe did some gang

1:01:25

type activities allegedly, but they also have some

1:01:27

guys like life and Lucci who

1:01:29

kind of made music and I

1:01:31

think Jordan was making a point when we were talking earlier

1:01:33

that like Even

1:01:36

though their rivals like his wife and Lucci

1:01:38

been called to testify yet. He

1:01:40

was but he refused So

1:01:43

again could take down a rival but he has

1:01:45

it, you know to quote Omar little, you know,

1:01:47

everybody's got to have a code You

1:01:50

know, he decides not to testify against young

1:01:52

Phil. You know their rivals. Oh And

1:01:55

this is rival like rivalry within the bloods

1:01:57

like this. So this kind of all like

1:01:59

original from the Donovan Thomas murder,

1:02:01

which broke up the blood in Atlanta

1:02:04

initially. Do any other,

1:02:06

like, so, all right, so like who's

1:02:08

Young Thug's producer? Does he have

1:02:10

a producer that, is it Metro, like

1:02:12

who does he normally work with, or

1:02:14

is it a group, or just, you

1:02:16

know, basically individuals on different songs? There's

1:02:19

kind of a variety. Yeah, I

1:02:21

don't think Metro Boomin has anything.

1:02:23

I think Metro Boomin is an

1:02:26

individual. That's just like a

1:02:28

professional relationship of, hey,

1:02:30

yeah, okay. Yeah, I think Metro

1:02:32

Boomin is completely unrelated. But yes, kind

1:02:34

of what led to Metro

1:02:36

Boomin's, essentially, boom, was a lot of

1:02:39

working with Young Thug. Yeah.

1:02:42

I mean, Jeff, what's the temperature? Like,

1:02:46

are people just like, this is the

1:02:48

stupidest fucking thing that like, we're wasting

1:02:50

taxpayer dollars on this, and, you know,

1:02:52

like it's a clown show? I think

1:02:54

that's kind of where we're at at

1:02:56

this point. It's just like, and

1:02:59

that's what's kind of, like I said earlier,

1:03:01

that's what's kind of frustrating talking about this,

1:03:03

is that it's hard to define and explain.

1:03:05

Like, I've used the analogy that it's like,

1:03:08

I said Shakespearean, but probably the more

1:03:10

appropriate label is that it's more like

1:03:13

a Russian novel, and that like, it's

1:03:15

a lot of character, it's a lot of dialogue,

1:03:18

but ultimately, like nothing really happens. It's

1:03:22

like kind of the sum of

1:03:24

its parts, but like along the way, you

1:03:26

kind of like understand the human experience, and

1:03:29

that there are so many decide

1:03:31

goofball characters who are there for

1:03:33

either comedic relief, or

1:03:35

drama, or something silly, or

1:03:37

just maybe they're a red herring. You

1:03:41

know, I've never read Crime and Punishment, but I'm

1:03:43

not saying that this is the equivalent, but like,

1:03:45

you know, it just seems like the

1:03:48

wheels are still kind of spinning, they're not going

1:03:50

anywhere. They're using all this time

1:03:52

and resources, there's

1:03:54

a huge backlog of cases from COVID

1:03:57

in Fulton County. And then

1:03:59

you... have on top of it, you

1:04:02

have a judge who's injecting himself. And it's

1:04:04

just like, there's, I don't know, we could

1:04:07

talk about outcome predictions and stuff. But I

1:04:09

just, I just don't. But

1:04:11

the thing is, all the people involved

1:04:14

are so unpredictable that you really have no idea where it's

1:04:16

going to go. Like a week ago,

1:04:18

a week ago, you probably could have thought the

1:04:20

defense had the or the prosecution had the upper

1:04:22

hand. And now this happens. And like, right

1:04:24

now, I think the defense definitely has the upper hand. It

1:04:28

just seems like such a window into

1:04:30

not only like human experience, but the

1:04:32

Atlanta experience as

1:04:34

well. Like there's just so many little wrinkles here and there.

1:04:36

And there's so many, like you said,

1:04:38

characters, but also, you know, you

1:04:41

get back to like Willis and everybody like

1:04:43

she's doing this to make

1:04:47

a name for herself and send a message that

1:04:49

hey, we're tough on crime. But in

1:04:51

the process of doing this, like,

1:04:54

like, cry, like resources that could

1:04:56

be used to fight actual

1:05:00

crime, or being diverted,

1:05:02

you know, wholesale into

1:05:04

this, right? And bogging down

1:05:07

actual justice in other cases

1:05:09

and, you know, all sorts

1:05:11

of different assets and

1:05:13

resources. So yeah, I

1:05:15

mean, just an aside today, like I'm in

1:05:17

public, you know, in Atlanta, not primarily Atlanta,

1:05:19

but one of the big Atlanta grocery stores,

1:05:21

and I'm in line getting a

1:05:23

sub. And the guy in

1:05:26

front of me is wearing a

1:05:28

Fulton County Sheriff uniform. And I could

1:05:31

tell pretty, I think he worked for

1:05:33

the jail. And, you know,

1:05:35

however you feel about people and their orders in front of

1:05:37

you, one of my big pet peeves is that when you

1:05:39

order something and you don't know what to get the person,

1:05:42

you know, you're waiting in line and then you get there

1:05:44

and then you don't know what to get. This dude took

1:05:46

like 20 minutes to order a friggin sub. And

1:05:48

I'm thinking like in the back of my head, this is like, just

1:05:51

kind of like, just kind of

1:05:53

a microcosm of where we're at right now. Like,

1:05:55

you know, you come on, man, get your stuff

1:05:57

together. So what do you think happens? What

1:06:00

do you think happens? I

1:06:03

think young Thug is going to beat

1:06:05

it. I really do. Kind of to

1:06:07

Jeff's point, it's really comical

1:06:10

that the same defense that

1:06:12

said Thug was truly humble

1:06:15

under God, that push and P meant pushing

1:06:17

positivity and that YSL

1:06:20

was named after the fashion

1:06:22

label is making the prosecution

1:06:25

look just like a

1:06:27

total disaster. And I think Judge Glanville is like

1:06:29

kind of showed his ass a lot too along

1:06:32

with Fonny and I just there's

1:06:35

everything about this is just so

1:06:37

flimsy. And, you

1:06:39

know, it feels like

1:06:41

in some ways it probably shouldn't be.

1:06:44

But I really think young

1:06:46

Thug's going to end up beating it, honestly.

1:06:51

But it's going to take the whole four

1:06:53

years or, you know, like

1:06:55

half a decade to look its way through. Yeah, it's

1:06:57

still going to get drawn out. Yeah. Jeff,

1:07:01

what do you think? Yeah, I'm in the

1:07:03

same camp. And even if he

1:07:05

doesn't beat it, I feel like he's

1:07:07

going to get out on an appeal. But

1:07:11

the way that Judge Glanville kind of has treated

1:07:13

Brian Steele, I mean, who's supposed

1:07:15

to be one of the best defense attorneys in the

1:07:17

state of Georgia, I

1:07:19

think a new judge will kind of be perhaps be

1:07:21

a little more sympathetic to that. But

1:07:23

like when you're, and again, like

1:07:25

when your star prosecution witnesses are

1:07:29

getting cold feet on the stand, I mean, they don't really have

1:07:31

the proof, I think, that they thought that

1:07:33

they had. So I wouldn't be shocked if he gets straight

1:07:35

up acquitted. But I think at

1:07:37

the very least, I think it's going to be turned out.

1:07:40

It'll be overturned on appeal if he is not guilty. And

1:07:43

then as far as, you know,

1:07:45

just other witnesses, like they're halfway

1:07:47

through this witness list, are the

1:07:49

other ones more procedural? Like they've

1:07:52

already kind of called all their star ones

1:07:54

or we all know. I

1:07:56

have no clue because there's just so many. Like

1:07:58

if you really want to... to like,

1:08:01

if you really want to go down that rabbit hole,

1:08:03

like, and there's some Twitter accounts that really do that.

1:08:05

But there's just not enough time of the day. It's

1:08:08

like trying, you know, I tell myself every summer, because

1:08:10

I get summer off, I'm gonna read Infinite Jeff. And

1:08:13

that you never ultimately get good, because it's just it's

1:08:15

just too long. It's like the same type of thing.

1:08:17

It's like, if you really want to dedicate time to

1:08:19

the trial, like you got, like I said, I'm gonna

1:08:21

be up late if I want to do it. What's

1:08:24

the best resources people can, you know, like, like,

1:08:26

I get it through the two of you guys,

1:08:28

I get it through Spencer

1:08:30

Hall, every day should be Saturday. Thugger Daily

1:08:33

is one that I've followed

1:08:35

in the last couple months. And that's that

1:08:37

seemed like a good resource. Yeah, I was

1:08:39

weird discussion that earlier, I would say Thugger

1:08:41

Daily, completely biased, yet

1:08:44

an astute legal mind, very, like,

1:08:47

biased, but I liked I liked that

1:08:49

person's taste. Megan,

1:08:52

Cunice or Cunnice, I'm not sure

1:08:54

I pronounced that name. She's a

1:08:56

court reporter from California, who just

1:08:58

watches the sits on the stream all day

1:09:01

and tweet. And she's pretty good at distilling

1:09:03

that. I have found that

1:09:05

it's not just searching young Thug on Twitter,

1:09:07

just because so many people are following this

1:09:09

trial you just get your

1:09:12

kind of way too much going on there.

1:09:15

Probably represents the worst of social

1:09:17

media where like, yeah, can't tell

1:09:19

what's real, what's not what's analysis,

1:09:22

what's, what's fake. Yeah. Megan's

1:09:24

a great follow up because she was

1:09:26

the lead journalist during

1:09:28

the Tory lanes and Megan

1:09:31

the stallion trial and was

1:09:34

on on the money about

1:09:36

just about everything. And it was interesting

1:09:39

because there was such a split between like whether

1:09:41

Tory lanes was innocent or not.

1:09:43

And ultimately, he was not but Megan was

1:09:45

like, on it and was kind of the

1:09:47

lead media voice there. And she's done a

1:09:50

very good job with the YSL trial as well.

1:09:53

What's the local like, like

1:09:55

the AJC or WSB

1:09:58

TV or channel

1:10:01

40. That's where I was going to

1:10:03

kind of go. It's just like welcome

1:10:05

to the clown show. Like it's like

1:10:07

the reporters, they're doing

1:10:09

a good job of just like explaining what

1:10:12

happened and letting you, like the

1:10:15

consumer just kind of have your take on

1:10:17

it. But

1:10:20

like six o'clock every night on like the, you

1:10:22

know, six o'clock evening news, is there

1:10:24

just in the first 15 minutes,

1:10:27

is there like four minutes of young, hey, this

1:10:29

happened in the young bug trial today or not

1:10:31

as much on the evening news. I think the

1:10:33

stuff with the Brian Steel's last, last

1:10:35

week with the, with the big health and contempt that

1:10:38

was on the news. The

1:10:40

AJC newspaper is covering it

1:10:42

pretty, pretty

1:10:44

thoroughly, I would say on their website.

1:10:46

But even like among the kids or

1:10:48

the youth, I don't know, the younger people, I should

1:10:51

say, I think people seem to

1:10:53

be sympathetic towards them. And I don't know if it's

1:10:55

just to be like, you know, if it's

1:10:57

just cool to say, free

1:10:59

thug or whatever. I just,

1:11:01

again, like I just don't know if the state

1:11:03

has done the best job showing

1:11:07

the illegal stuff that he did. And even if

1:11:10

he, if they do show it, it's just

1:11:12

so overshadowed by all the theatrics in the

1:11:14

court. What are your players

1:11:17

and your basketball teams are? I guess

1:11:19

they just, like, yeah, man, like when we

1:11:21

first, when we

1:11:23

first kind of touched on it back in 2022,

1:11:25

I would jokingly was like, all, you know, all

1:11:27

the kids are going to be bummed out because

1:11:29

there's no new, you know, music this summer. Because

1:11:31

I was at, you know, the song

1:11:33

Hot that he, and then Push and P, which he

1:11:36

wanted Grammy for, those kind of came out like right

1:11:38

around that time. And then he gets indicted. So he

1:11:40

goes from like the highest of the highs, or, you

1:11:42

know, I see one, I think he won the grandi

1:11:44

while he was in jail. And I would think about

1:11:46

it. You know, he said

1:11:48

the highest highs and lowest lows, my group

1:11:51

of kids, some

1:11:53

are from that kind of general neighborhood.

1:11:55

So they can't they definitely celebrate his

1:11:57

catalog, they celebrate Guna for sure. But

1:12:01

I think just the basic fact is that he hasn't really

1:12:03

had, I mean, correct me if I'm Ron Jordan, but I

1:12:05

haven't really heard that many new songs from him. And then

1:12:07

I think that's something that, you know,

1:12:09

obviously he's working on. I don't know how much

1:12:12

of a library of music that he had before

1:12:14

he went to jail. But that's why he wanted

1:12:16

Bailah. Like he was like, just give me my

1:12:18

recording studio. That's all I want. Yeah.

1:12:21

I mean, Gunna, Gunna

1:12:23

was pretty popular preceding

1:12:26

jail and his arrest. I mean, toward the end

1:12:28

of college, for me, at

1:12:30

least when I was like, you know, 2018, 2019, that

1:12:32

is really when Gunna took off. He

1:12:35

was doing a lot of music with a little baby who

1:12:38

has since called him a snitch. But

1:12:41

yeah, Gunna

1:12:43

now has come out with music and I know he's

1:12:45

on tour right now. But

1:12:47

it's just, I don't think it's the

1:12:49

same. I don't think the public is quite as

1:12:51

warm to him just because there's this perception that

1:12:53

he is a snitch. And

1:12:56

yeah, I

1:12:59

think he's doing what he can

1:13:01

to like repair his image without

1:13:03

like necessarily like, and I

1:13:06

think what's hard about that is a

1:13:08

lot of his identity as a musician was

1:13:10

so aligned with being in YSL that it's

1:13:12

just really hard to make the distinction between.

1:13:17

The two and a lot of his past

1:13:19

collaborators aren't working with him anymore. So he's

1:13:21

come out with some popular songs, but I

1:13:23

don't know that Gunna's career is going to

1:13:25

be the same. What's

1:13:27

it like? How do these guys fit in with

1:13:30

the rest of the Atlanta rap scene? Is there? That's

1:13:35

a good question. Because

1:13:37

so much of this is

1:13:39

before, like after my time.

1:13:42

Growing up it was, you

1:13:44

know, it was Al Kast, it was

1:13:47

Gucci, it was OJ the Juice Man,

1:13:49

all those guys. Killer

1:13:52

Mike, now it's, you know, it seems like

1:13:54

it's a new generation. How does that kind

1:13:57

of, you know, in like, yeah. It's

1:14:00

interesting that you mentioned that because like young

1:14:02

thug, he wore

1:14:05

a dress to New York Fashion Week.

1:14:07

And like kind of what I said earlier about

1:14:09

him kind of being like Prince in that sense

1:14:11

and that he's truly his own kind of individual.

1:14:13

He definitely, I

1:14:16

mean, trap music originated in Atlanta, and

1:14:18

most of his music could be classified

1:14:20

as trap music. But

1:14:22

like, it's almost he keeps

1:14:25

like a uniquely Atlanta sound, but I feel like

1:14:27

he's a little his sound at the same time,

1:14:29

he made trap music more kind of universal and

1:14:31

more digestible for like the rest of the country.

1:14:34

Like a lot of people trying to emulate like

1:14:37

what he does, I think, especially with the

1:14:39

auto tune stuff and whatnot. Um,

1:14:43

so like, yeah, he's definitely not like the

1:14:45

killer mic type, or we're joking about like,

1:14:47

baby D or whatever, he's definitely like post

1:14:49

that. He's a

1:14:51

little older than you would realize, like he's in

1:14:53

his 30s now. Like he's, he's not like, he's

1:14:56

not like young or up and coming by any

1:14:58

sense in terms of age. But

1:15:00

I would say that he's kind of like

1:15:02

a contemporary like future then? Yes, yes. 100%.

1:15:05

So they're kind of that they kind of I

1:15:07

would say both Young Thug and Future and they

1:15:09

actually have a collab album together. They

1:15:12

both kind of pioneered this trap

1:15:14

music scene. It was basically

1:15:16

around the same time that I was in college that they

1:15:18

kind of broke out. Future had

1:15:20

this really prolific album Dirty Sprite

1:15:22

two. I also own a vinyl

1:15:24

of it. But

1:15:27

that was another big album and Future also just

1:15:29

hit 40. So these guys are

1:15:31

like a little bit older

1:15:33

than maybe than some of their music would suggest. Migos

1:15:36

as well. They are well,

1:15:39

as Migos stands right now rest in

1:15:42

peace takeoff. They also helped

1:15:44

pioneer that trap scene. So yeah, it

1:15:46

was just kind of this 2010s

1:15:50

boom of rap music and it's kind of

1:15:52

the trap scene has kind of whittled off

1:15:55

since and I think the Young

1:15:57

Thug, the YSL has

1:16:00

played some role in that truthfully. But

1:16:02

it's kind of interesting. I think the

1:16:05

rap scene has become a little more

1:16:07

disparate. There was this, I

1:16:09

guess it was this, the XXL

1:16:12

magazine would do a freshmen class

1:16:14

of 20, whatever, every

1:16:16

year. And you would

1:16:18

hear about the latest up and coming rappers

1:16:21

of that time. And there's

1:16:23

jokes online now that they, no one

1:16:25

knows who any of the class of

1:16:27

20, whatever freshmen

1:16:29

class is. Like

1:16:31

people like 21 Savage got discovered

1:16:33

through that. And so

1:16:37

yeah, it's really interesting, the cultural

1:16:40

impact of the YSL trial. That's kind

1:16:42

of, I would say trap music

1:16:44

was kind of, it

1:16:46

had some sustained momentum at the

1:16:48

time that Young Thug

1:16:51

was arrested. But I

1:16:53

really think it's kind

1:16:55

of met like kind of a sad ending. Since

1:16:58

it's really hanging in

1:17:00

there. Also

1:17:03

interesting too, like you

1:17:05

compare it to dudes like GZ or TI.

1:17:07

And it's like, GZ's like, I'm

1:17:09

not a rapper. It's like, yo, you put out like 10

1:17:13

fucking albums now. And what

1:17:16

he's talking about all this stuff about how he's

1:17:18

not a rapper, whereas Young Thug's like going the

1:17:20

opposite direction. I'm like, yo, I'm just an artist.

1:17:23

Even though he seems so

1:17:26

much realer and truly

1:17:28

like tied into it,

1:17:31

then GZ, right? GZ's

1:17:37

more or less is... It's

1:17:39

like a marketing thing. Yeah, he's got like a

1:17:41

couple of tequila companies now. I always see him

1:17:43

at the, he

1:17:46

makes appearances at the tower off of Piedmont. He's always

1:17:48

trying to plug his latest, his

1:17:51

latest alcohol line up at the liquor

1:17:53

store. But yeah, so he's the best

1:17:55

fit into other ventures from what I

1:17:57

understand. Yeah, I think

1:17:59

future. was kind of that way too. Like

1:18:01

Future embraced that he is a rapper, but he

1:18:04

was kind of trying to say like, my lyrics

1:18:06

are not my lifestyle type deal, which I think

1:18:09

is debatable given maybe some

1:18:11

of his romantic history, but

1:18:13

that's a separate conversation. I

1:18:16

mean, just to the quick aside about Future,

1:18:18

the way he got his name, you know,

1:18:20

Outkast recorded in the dungeon, like Dungeon Family?

1:18:22

Yeah. So he was the little kid

1:18:24

hanging around in the dungeon and they called him Future,

1:18:26

because they said, you know, he's like nine, 10 years

1:18:28

old, like spitting bars while they're taking a break. And

1:18:31

that's kind of how he got his name. So I think it's kind of

1:18:33

cool he had that, I mean, Future

1:18:35

honestly kind of bridged the gap between that

1:18:38

old Outkast, even into Ludacris, and

1:18:40

then, yeah. Mm-hmm. Do

1:18:44

you think there's gonna be some crazy

1:18:46

repository of lyrics

1:18:49

and concepts that

1:18:51

Young Thug's got that, you

1:18:55

know, it's gonna take him a few years to put

1:18:58

it all down in the studio, but like, do you think

1:19:00

that that's kind of, you

1:19:02

know, once this thing wraps, is

1:19:05

he just gonna go

1:19:07

nuts for four or five years creatively? Oh,

1:19:09

yeah. He's gonna have his Gucci

1:19:11

moment, for sure. Yeah, Gucci

1:19:14

went to federal prison, got

1:19:17

clean, got in really good shape, and, you

1:19:19

know, he pumped out a bunch of

1:19:21

music after that. Anything else

1:19:23

you guys wanna, you know,

1:19:26

get on the record or tease

1:19:28

or just make light of? I

1:19:31

mean, it's just funny because I feel like we

1:19:34

could do this again in two years, and

1:19:36

I don't know, hopefully we could talk about

1:19:38

how the trial ended, but I don't even

1:19:40

know if it'll be over. Just like, there's

1:19:43

gonna be a book, I'm sure there will

1:19:45

be some kind of movie or TV show,

1:19:47

just kind of just outlying, just like, like

1:19:50

I said, like it's, the only way I could describe

1:19:52

it is though it's just like, peak Atlanta, and that

1:19:54

it's just from the restaurants mentioned

1:19:56

to the music being played to

1:19:58

all the characters. involved to the

1:20:01

different neighborhoods. And even how it's hyper-regional

1:20:03

within Atlanta, it's not just South Atlanta,

1:20:05

it's Southwest Atlanta at times, right? It's

1:20:09

just kind of fascinating if you're interested in

1:20:11

that kind of thing. This

1:20:13

is just kind of, so they're at the

1:20:15

Fulton County Jail downtown, or the Fulton County

1:20:18

Courthouse, and that's downtown?

1:20:21

Yeah, I forgot which street, but it's kind of like in the

1:20:23

heart of downtown. Okay, so

1:20:25

Thug is going from Cobb

1:20:27

County Detention Center, out

1:20:30

in, who knows

1:20:32

where, out

1:20:35

off of 75 somewhere near Marietta, all the way

1:20:37

down there in PAC every day. Every day, so

1:20:39

that's why Brian Steele wasn't lying. I mean, that's

1:20:42

why he has to get up so early. I

1:20:44

mean, he's being secured, he's

1:20:47

being transported and all that. Yeah,

1:20:50

just think about the amount of resources

1:20:52

that takes. Yeah, I mean, it's... It's

1:20:55

a daily commute. Oh,

1:20:59

George, what's your favorite, favorite Young Thug song? Ooh,

1:21:04

this is a tough one. Gosh,

1:21:10

it's gonna be really hard for me to land on

1:21:13

a specific Young Thug song, but I

1:21:16

will say, I said I

1:21:18

loved Barter Six, that's a great album. So

1:21:20

much fun, which the song Hot

1:21:23

is on, came out around

1:21:25

the time that I graduated college, and

1:21:27

that's a great, great album. Highly recommend

1:21:29

to anybody. I feel like that's the

1:21:31

best gateway to Young Thug,

1:21:33

because it's a little more commercialized, and

1:21:35

it's a little more mainstream, but if you've

1:21:37

never listened to Young Thug, I think Young

1:21:40

Thug at his best is probably so

1:21:42

much fun. The most outrageous, most experimental

1:21:44

Young Thug, I felt like was kind

1:21:47

of in the Jeffrey era, of

1:21:50

which, what Jeff mentioned

1:21:52

earlier, on the cover, he's wearing

1:21:54

a dress, but then he's got, I

1:21:56

believe he's got an assault weapon underneath the dress.

1:21:59

So. Lots of fun

1:22:01

going on there. But, gosh,

1:22:04

guys, I just hope Young Thug's a

1:22:06

good guy. Really and truly. Really brings

1:22:08

me down that there's

1:22:10

accusations that he might not be. Jeff,

1:22:14

what's your favorite among

1:22:17

his collection? Check from

1:22:19

a Barter Six. And I like

1:22:21

the song digits from, I think

1:22:23

it's like super slimy. But

1:22:26

that's the thing. He has, he numbers his albums

1:22:29

and mixtapes. And I'm like

1:22:31

super slimy, three Barters. It's a lot

1:22:33

to, much like this trial, it's a

1:22:35

lot to keep total

1:22:37

tabs on. Anything,

1:22:41

Jordan, last question for you. Anything to

1:22:43

keep an eye on any new developments

1:22:46

in the Young Young

1:22:49

and Ace or I can't remember who

1:22:51

the other idiots, Julio Julio, any of

1:22:53

the guys down on our neck of

1:22:56

the woods? Nothing that I've

1:22:58

heard of. But I think it's been pretty quiet. I

1:23:00

think Young and

1:23:03

Ace is just living his best life

1:23:06

in Houston. And Julio

1:23:08

Julio, I think, has just

1:23:10

been making music. I

1:23:13

think Charles has stayed out of trouble for now.

1:23:15

So I'm really proud of him. Awesome.

1:23:19

Awesome. Well, guys, this was a

1:23:21

pleasure. Truly. I'm going

1:23:23

to have Randy listen to this. I'm sure

1:23:25

he's going to have all sorts of questions.

1:23:27

And hopefully get him on

1:23:29

next time to kind of

1:23:31

ask a whole different set of questions. I feel

1:23:33

like we're going to do this whether it's in

1:23:36

six months or two

1:23:38

years. We'll get this group

1:23:40

back on, maybe plus Randy, maybe

1:23:42

plus my mom. And really, really great.

1:23:44

I'd love to hear Peg's

1:23:46

takes on all this going on. She's

1:23:49

got some hot, hot Fannie Willis takes.

1:23:52

Awesome. Well, thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Thank

1:23:55

you. Thanks, Ron. The

1:23:57

next is the spot for the track drop.

1:23:59

Hey. Yeah.

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Hey. Hey.

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Hey. I told him

1:24:11

straight drop this and zip lock

1:24:13

that. Right on my waistline is

1:24:15

why I kept that strap. Yeah.

1:24:18

I remember nights. I didn't remember nights.

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I damn near went crazy. I had

1:24:23

to get it right. Right. Now,

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1:24:28

Hey. I'm your favorite rapper's favorite

1:24:30

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1:24:32

Yeah, no joke. So who me? I

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