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Hello, and welcome to Trashy

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Divorces, everybody's favorite good podcast

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about bad relationships. My name

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is Alicia and Stacey, you're

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taking us on another Dr.

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Who-linked story this week. Yes,

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I am one of my favorite things.

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Hello and thank you for joining us for

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today's tale of marital misadventure. In

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particular, we will be exploring

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the breakup of Alex Kingston,

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Dr. Who's River Song, and

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her brief mid-1990s marriage to

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actor Ralph Fiennes, he of

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Schindler's List, the English patient, and

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he who shall not be named in Harry

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Potter. I had no idea they were ever

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even a thing. I didn't clock it either.

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a little love for some trash candy over

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here. Alicia, if we're going to

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go back in time to an early first marriage

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that glitched hard, what do we have to do?

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Take out our sonic screwdriver and go, go,

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go. Oh,

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I do love some Alex Kingston. Don't we

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all? So I would

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like to thank listener Katie N, who

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recommended this story in our Facebook group

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long, long ago. And I have to say when

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I started looking into the split between

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actors, Ralph Fiennes and Alex Kingston,

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I was amazed by both the

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heartbreaking trashiness and the spider webs.

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You're going to love this one. Oh, goody. It's

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my favorite stuff. Let's go. So

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I have loved. Alex Kingston's

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work since her time on ER.

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She played Dr. Elizabeth Corday, and

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of course for her turn as River Song in

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Dr. Who. But she has honestly

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been in a million things from Arrow

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and A Discovery of Witches. She's

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played Lady M opposite Kenneth Branagh in

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the Manchester International Festival's production of the

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Scottish play, which we do not say

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on this show, which

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was broadcast live in theaters worldwide in 2013.

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She's my very favorite Shakespeare poll. Alex's

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time on ER and her time

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in America for it was actually

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primarily caused by the recent nastiness

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with her sudden ex-husband, the

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aforementioned Ray Fiennes, who

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possibly needs less introduction than Alex Kingston,

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but we'll get one anyway. Rayf

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Nathaniel Twizzleton Wickham

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Fiennes. I'm sorry, Twizzleton? I

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hope is how that's pronounced. I'm going to have

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to write down Twizzleton because we're going to have

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to name a cat Twizzleton. Twizzleton, right? He's the

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cat that is going to look like his name

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is Twizzleton. I'm surprised he opted to go by

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Rayf and not Twizz. Twizzle,

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yeah, one or the other.

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He whizz. Mm-hmm. All

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right, so Rayf Nathaniel Twizzleton Wickham

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Fiennes was born on December 22, 1962,

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and he is

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one of the United Kingdom's most famous

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and best regarded actors of

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our time. Well, there's eight.

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He's up there. He's up there in the eight. He

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has excelled as a Shakespeare interpreter,

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and then, of course, broke big

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into film with productions like Quiz

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Show, The Constant Gardener, The

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Hurt Locker, The King's Man, and

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pretty recently as a fine dining

3:43

chef with secrets in the

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black comedy The Menu. Really

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worth a watch. Rayf was

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born in Ipswich, England, as the eldest

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of what would be six children. His

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siblings, this is amazing. His

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parents must be so, so, so proud. His

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siblings are the actors. actor Joseph Fiennes,

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director Martha Fiennes, composer

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Magnus Fiennes, filmmaker Sophie

4:05

Fiennes, conservationist Jacob Fiennes,

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and his foster brother Michael

4:10

Emery is an archaeologist. Wow.

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Quite the bunch. Much

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later in Rafe's life, his nephew,

4:18

hero Fiennes Tiffin, played Tom Riddle

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in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood

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Prince, so it is quite the

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brood of talent. When

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Rafe was about 11, his family moved

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to Ireland for several years and then

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returned to Salisbury, England, where Rafe finished

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high school and began to

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pursue training as a painter before

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deciding to try his hand at acting, which

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brought him to...where did it

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bring him, Alisa? Rada! Rada!

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The Royal... Always Rada.

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Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, starting in 1983.

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Someone else was there too. Alexandra

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Elizabeth Kingston, born

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March 11, 1963, and brought up an Epsom surrey as the oldest

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of three girls. She was also at Rada

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in 1983. She

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had been encouraged to act by a teacher

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at her all-girls school and had

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been active with the Surrey County Youth

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Theatre before heading to Rada to

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continue her studies and to meet

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Rafe. While Rafe would go

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on to a much bigger movie star

5:21

status than Alex, the truth is Alex

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had been a working television actor

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for several years before landing at Rada

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and would end up at

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the Royal Shakespeare Company alongside Rafe after

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they both graduated. So

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back when he was thinking about

5:36

being a painter, she was already earning

5:38

paychecks on television. She is so talented.

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By the time the couple married in 1993, a full decade after

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they met, Alex's stage resume

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included Calpurnia in Julius Caesar, Cordelia

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in King Lear, Hero in Much

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Ado, Titania in Midsummer Nights,

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and Desdemona in Othello, as

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well as paying the bills with frequent television work

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and even small parts in film. I'm

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sorry, skeet, back it up. Did

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they date for 10 years? Yes. Wow.

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They were in a relationship a full 10 years

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before walking down the aisle. Rafe

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of course built a big reputation

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with the Royal Shakespeare Company and

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made his television debut in 1990

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portraying T.E. Lawrence in the

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TV movie A Dangerous Man,

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Lawrence after Arabia. And then he

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had his film debut in Weathering Heights in 1992 playing

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Heath Cliff

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opposite Juliette Binoche. Nice

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gig if you can get it. It was in 1993, the

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year that he

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and Alex married after a decade

6:40

of not being married, that

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a little movie called Schindler's

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List was released. Rafe

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played the villain in the film

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Nazi concentration camp commandant, Eamonn Goth,

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a role that earned him his first

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Oscar nomination and his first bath to

6:56

win for Best Supporting

6:58

Actor. Okay, so let's talk

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about Alex and Rafe as a couple,

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at least in so far as middle

7:04

90s stuff is available online and

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that Alex Kingston was nowhere near the

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level of celebrity she would eventually enjoy

7:11

after they split up. So the divorce

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itself wasn't hugely remarked on in the

7:16

American press. As far as I

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can tell, it appears that

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they spent their formative decade, you

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know, as ambitious aspiring creatives together.

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But Alex's whole impression of the biz that

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they were both in was

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that once she hit 40, whatever career

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she had built by then would effectively

7:34

be over. And she hoped

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that by that time, she and Rafe would

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have a big country home somewhere with a

7:40

gaggle of kids and a big vegetable garden.

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Spanish pipe dream, let's do it all. Somewhat,

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inconveniently for this dream, as

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the years went by for

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them, no pregnancy happened. For

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Alex, it eventually would but not while

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she was with Rafe. And this would,

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it turns out, be a decision made

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by Rafe. alone. Well,

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I guess not alone alone

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because he had some help.

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Oh, tell me more.

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In 1995, two years

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after they married and 12 years into

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their relationship, Rafe was

8:15

playing Hamlet in a big production in

8:17

London and he fell

8:19

for the actress playing Hamlet's mother Gertrude.

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This is Francesca Anise, a

8:25

reviewer at the time noted, quote,

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Gertrude seems unnaturally fond of her

8:30

son. Oh. So Francesca

8:34

Anise is not a name I'm

8:36

overwhelmingly familiar with, although she played

8:39

Lady Jessica in the 1980s version

8:41

of Dune. She's

8:43

also been in a million other things, but

8:46

partly I may not be too familiar with

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her because Francesca Anise today is 78 years

8:50

old and her career began in 1959. So

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let's meet

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Francesca through the voice of the

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telegraphs Tim Auld from a 2009 profile. Tim

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Auld writes, as a teenager Anise

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vacillated between ambitions to be a

9:06

ballet dancer and a Carmelite nun.

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She was sent to school. A

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ballet dancer or a nun? Or a

9:14

nun. Okay. She was educated at a

9:16

convent. Totally makes sense. The dancing

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nun. The dancing nun. But it was

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as an actress that she got her

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break landing a role aged 16 alongside

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Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra.

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She says that Taylor took her under

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her wing. At the time Taylor's marriage

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to Eddie Fisher was going up in

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smoke because of her affair with Burton.

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And Anise saw at first hand the

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kind of media feeding frenzy such infidelity

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can unleash. Later, again

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this is from a profile, later when

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I raised the question of her affair

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and subsequent 10-year relationship with Fiennes, she

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credits her time with Taylor and Burton

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with preparing her for the backlash. Sorry,

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I'm just still thinking about the

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creepiest Hamlet ever with

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mom and son because Hamlet's already

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pretty creepy. Okay, sorry,

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go, go, go. She

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says, I don't think the media circus has ever been

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a shock to my life seeing as I was with

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Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor when I was 17. That's

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what I'm saying. She tells me somewhat testily.

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Your job was to be like, hey, Elizabeth

10:28

Taylor, hold my beer. Watch

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this. What

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kind of life lessons here? I

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mean, there was a big time gap there, but

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yes. Sorry, sorry, it's

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England. Hold my pint. Tim

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Auld continues, a Hollywood career beckoned,

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but an easy hung out with the

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radical crowd in London in the

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1960s, including Jimi Hendrix was

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more interested in cropping her hair short,

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marching and picketing the Miss World contest.

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She turned down offers of Vogue

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covers, requests to pose nude, though

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she did perform Lady M's

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mad scene with nothing on for

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Polanski. Roman?

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Mm-hmm. Okay. Again, back

11:10

in the day. And

11:13

other things she's turned down and she has said,

11:15

quote, a lot of films. Okay, so

11:17

that just shook the weird mother daughter Hamlet

11:19

out of my brain. Now I'm thinking about

11:21

Lady M naked. Yep. Okay.

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Wow. Tim Auld continues, there was

11:27

also the practical matter of having a family to think

11:29

about. In 1974, she

11:31

had met the photographer Patrick Wiseman.

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She 30, he 37. They

11:37

never married. Anisa said that she didn't

11:39

need to sign on a dotted

11:41

line to commit, but had three children

11:43

and remain together for 23 years. Anisa

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was the major wage earner. How

11:49

did she manage to keep all the balls in the air? Quote,

11:52

I was in a very privileged financial situation because

11:54

I made money in the 70s and 80s. So

11:57

I'd be lying if I didn't say that that bolstered my

11:59

demand. situation. I had huge support

12:01

from my children's father who always respected

12:04

my work and my job and

12:06

my family who only lived up the road.

12:08

I mean in retrospect now I can see

12:11

just that I was very blessed. And

12:14

then in 1995 into the middle

12:16

of the seemingly happy unit Anise dropped

12:18

a bomb. She and Fiennes

12:20

had fallen in love while playing in Hamlet

12:22

at the Hackney Empire. She gertrude to

12:24

his young prince. The press

12:26

had a field day over the fact that she was 18 years

12:29

older than Fiennes. I bet they did.

12:31

Wiseman had his revenge giving interviews

12:33

revealing that Fiennes was by no

12:36

means Anise's first infidelity. What? Fiennes'

12:40

wife, the actress Alex Kingston, spoke

12:43

of her devastation. In the

12:45

past Anise has described herself as reckless and

12:47

there's no doubt that the decision she and

12:49

Fiennes made caused a lot of pain to

12:51

all involved. For Anise the pain

12:54

was compounded in 2006 when

12:56

their 10-year relationship dissolved amid lurid

12:58

kiss and tell stories and tabloids

13:00

about Fiennes' tryst with a Romanian

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T would go on to have

15:03

a decade long relationship with race

15:05

finds leading to the end of

15:07

his marriage to Alex and to.

15:09

Francesco. Twenty three year long

15:11

relationship with photographer Patrick Wiseman. With

15:14

him she has three daughters. Alex

15:17

who is probably about thirty two.

15:19

When the split happened. I. Mean she

15:21

basically spent her entire twenties and spray since

15:23

of as had race. She.

15:26

Was pretty much personally destroyed.

15:29

For. Quite a long while. Yeah.

15:31

It smells to heaven. She

15:33

told the Daily Telegraph at the time quote

15:36

he arrived albright and breezy and said he

15:38

was in love with Francesca unease. You

15:41

a rival brightened breezy friday, lazy have

15:43

the and or you're an actor can

15:45

spring and a step below the man

15:48

in love. Your and after at least

15:50

pretend like this is hurting you breaking

15:52

my heart. I've hung out for ten

15:54

years waiting, probably hearing from you raise

15:57

we can't get married until I make

15:59

it and. And then you make it. And then we

16:01

get married and two years later, you're ditching me

16:03

for grandma?" Alex has

16:05

said publicly that this betrayal shattered her sense

16:07

of self-worth and that she considered ending

16:09

her life in the aftermath. Ah, bless

16:11

her heart. But it was

16:14

also in this aftermath pulled away

16:16

from the towering shadow of thespian

16:18

and film star, Ray Fiennes, that

16:21

things began to move into a higher gear in

16:23

her career. She landed

16:25

a regular television role in a crime drama

16:27

called The Knock. And in

16:29

December of 1996, she starred opposite

16:31

Daniel Craig in an ITV

16:34

adaptation called The Fortunes and

16:36

Misfortunes of Mal Flanders, which

16:39

landed her a nomination for Best Actress

16:41

at the British Academy Television Awards the

16:43

following year. Perhaps

16:45

more importantly, The Writer's Room at the

16:47

hit American medical drama, NBC's

16:50

ER, turned out to be big Mal

16:52

Flanders fans. ER had premiered in 1994

16:55

with a cast that included George Clooney.

16:58

So go figure. I mean, George Clooney

17:00

coming off his appearance on Facts of

17:02

Life. You're right.

17:04

You're right. Yeah. Yep.

17:08

So when they reached out to Alex about coming out to LA to

17:10

work on the show, this change of scenery

17:12

felt like the very best way to

17:14

move on from the messiness of her

17:16

divorce, which was finalized in 1997.

17:19

Sweets to the sweet. She

17:21

would spend the next seven seasons on the show and

17:24

in Los Angeles, a period that saw

17:26

her take another stab at marriage and undergo

17:28

IVF with her second husband to finally

17:30

have her long dreamt of child, a

17:33

daughter, the time and circumstances

17:35

were immensely good for her. This is

17:37

from a mid 2000s piece in the

17:39

standard in the UK with

17:42

no author info carried over onto the current

17:44

website that I could find. So apologies

17:46

to the writer who penned this. After

17:49

their splits, Alex called Rafe the love of her

17:51

life, said she couldn't bear to

17:53

watch his performances and had to flee London

17:55

because of the memories of her life with him. Oh,

17:59

have the association. faded," the

18:01

writer asks. Alex

18:03

replies, yes they have. I actually went to

18:05

see The Constant Gardener, the first time I've

18:07

seen him on film since we split up, and

18:10

I was able to sit through it and really enjoy the

18:12

movie just thinking, oh there's a fantastic

18:15

actor on screen. But there

18:17

was no other reaction whatsoever, which is

18:19

quite a good thing I guess. She

18:21

laughs. I put it down to time

18:23

and maybe my second marriage. I'll never

18:25

walk Cornelius Street again. The piece

18:28

continues, and although she doesn't mention finds

18:31

by name, she now has a laid-back

18:33

LA attitude. This comes up a lot

18:35

in interviews with her. British reporters are

18:37

very taken by this laid-back LA

18:39

attitude that Alex Kingston had.

18:42

Where do we go to get one of those? Right. Alright,

18:44

so yeah, she has a laid-back

18:47

LA attitude to his quote

18:50

commitment issues, past and

18:52

present, saying, there are so many

18:54

actors in Hollywood who go through so many

18:56

relationships and are allowed to that I

18:58

think he should be left alone to live how

19:00

he chooses without being under the glare of the

19:02

media. I think it's a little

19:05

unfair that he's held up and scrutinized in this

19:07

way when I'm sure that if you sat on a

19:09

bus or a tube, 20% of

19:11

the passengers would have done similar things. Fair

19:15

point. Good stuff there. Time heals all wounds.

19:18

Because let's go back to Rafe and

19:20

Francesca and that

19:22

Romanian singer mentioned in the telegraph

19:24

piece above. Yeah, time line is

19:26

12 years with Alex, then he

19:28

hooks up with Francesca. Francesca,

19:30

I'm thinking Gertrude, but not sure.

19:32

And they're together 10

19:35

years and enter, well, 10

19:37

years, maybe some overlap with

19:40

other things though. Oh, Lord. So

19:42

this Romanian singer is

19:44

Cornelia Croissant and I guess

19:46

she got tired of being

19:48

the or at least an

19:51

other woman. This was

19:53

not a one-night stand and this was not a

19:55

brief dalliance apparently Rafe and

19:57

Cornelia, who was then 31, were involved.

20:00

for like two years. And

20:02

when she told the Daily Mail all about it, I

20:05

know that's just not a sentence you

20:07

want included in any life story. She

20:10

also mentioned that she thought he had yet

20:12

another girlfriend on the side. He's running out

20:14

of sides to have girlfriends on, but

20:16

he does. Have you heard that the

20:18

time management class at Rada is off

20:21

the charts? Cornelia

20:24

says he was a cheat. He

20:27

used me to be there always for him, whether

20:29

he needed someone to talk to or wanted to

20:31

cuddle or to make love. As time went on,

20:34

I started to see more clearly to realize

20:36

that I didn't want him at all. Playing hot

20:38

and cold with a woman gave something to his

20:41

ego, knowing that there was someone

20:43

maybe crying for him, maybe suffering, made him

20:45

feel better about himself. Wow,

20:48

Cornelia. So that's a little brutal.

20:52

So on February 7th of 2006,

20:54

UK media reported that Francesca and

20:56

Rafe were going to separate after

20:59

10, 11 years. Although

21:02

the detail that Francesca was prepared

21:04

to forgive him and work through

21:06

things was also included, which would

21:08

prompt Francesca to launch legal proceedings

21:10

against the Daily Mail for defamation

21:12

in asserting that she had

21:14

forgiven the affair. This story

21:16

is wild. Yeah, still,

21:19

you know, Rafe has

21:21

once again made the decision to blow

21:24

up his relationship. Bright and

21:26

breezy. Bright and breezy. But maybe

21:28

it wasn't dramatically surprising to anyone.

21:30

Apparently during that decade or so

21:32

that they were together, Rafe

21:35

had threatened legal action after New York

21:37

gossip columnists noted him out and about

21:39

with actress Gina Gershon. And

21:42

around 2002 while filming Made

21:44

in Manhattan, he was photographed

21:46

and I am using air quotes here, canoodling,

21:48

which I think can mean a lot of

21:50

different things with his

21:52

co-star Jennifer Lopez. No.

21:55

J.Lo strikes again. His

21:58

split from Francesca was described in the

22:00

press as acrimonious. In

22:03

fact, Tim Auld in that telegraph profile

22:05

I quoted above writes elsewhere in it,

22:07

quote, before my interview, I'm

22:09

told not to mention Fiennes, the sense

22:11

being that if I do, Anise will

22:13

disappear in a puff of smoke. He

22:16

continues, in fact, when I mentioned the F

22:19

word suggesting that it must be a liberation

22:21

to no longer be in a relationship where

22:23

your every move is followed, no

22:25

such thing happens. So

22:27

a funny thing about Ray Fiennes is that

22:30

he is incredibly tight lipped with the media.

22:33

And whenever there is some sort of scandal,

22:35

breakup, dust up, whatever, involving

22:38

him, his publicist, a

22:40

long suffering publicist named Sarah Keene

22:43

leaps into action. So for

22:45

instance, in 2007, there was a little

22:47

incident where Rafe

22:49

joined the Mile High Club with a flight

22:51

attendant on a Qantas Airlines trip from

22:53

Darwin, Australia to Mumbai in the plane's

22:56

lavatory. What a piece of work is

22:58

that man, what? Was someone

23:00

in Lowe's? No,

23:03

he met her on the flight. She's a flight

23:05

attendant on his flight. Okay. Yeah. The

23:08

flight attendant, Lisa, was spotted

23:11

by another member of the crew as she

23:13

locked the bathroom door behind, like

23:15

they had Rafe go out first, and

23:18

then she was gonna come out a few minutes later

23:20

and just act like she had just gone in. Okay.

23:24

Well, another member of the crew

23:26

saw her in the lavatory and

23:29

that, yeah. Once

23:32

the flight landed, she gave Rafe her phone number

23:34

and he called her later. They were both gonna be

23:36

in Mumbai for a few days. She

23:39

says, again, to the Daily Mail,

23:42

that they spent the night together. And the next

23:44

day when she met up with her flight crew

23:46

for drinks, learned that they

23:48

had all heard the two of them in the

23:50

lavatory together, and that

23:52

her supervisor had reported the incident to

23:55

Qantas. Uh-oh. without

24:00

pay pending a disciplinary hearing, which

24:03

of course would lead to her being fired. So

24:06

she called the theater where Rafe had

24:08

told her that his last, the

24:10

play he had just been working on was, it left

24:12

a message for him, basically. Strangely

24:16

enough, Rafe finds had the decency

24:18

to call her back, like within a few

24:20

hours. Okay. But

24:22

upon learning that she was in trouble for

24:24

their indiscretion, he denied that anything

24:26

at all had happened, and

24:29

referenced the situation with Cornelia from the year

24:31

before, saying, I've been scarred by an incident

24:33

about a year ago where my life was

24:35

dragged through the tabloids. My

24:37

whole relationship was destroyed. It's ruined my

24:40

life. You're just a hostess, and

24:42

you don't even like your job. You're not

24:44

happy in your job. You can get another

24:46

job. Oh my.

24:49

Well, the first job that she got

24:51

was selling the story of her wild,

24:53

bad section with Rafe finds to those

24:55

same tabloids, and arguably he gave her

24:57

the idea. So there you

25:00

go, Rafe. Somewhat

25:03

problematically, perhaps, it gets more

25:05

problematic? It does,

25:07

but before we get into that, let

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26:00

done. Hamlet makes another appearance in the story.

26:02

I love it. Don't

26:04

even, yeah. Somewhat problematically, perhaps, if

26:07

you were Ralph Fiennes, is that Ralph is

26:09

thought to have been in another relationship by

26:11

the time he joined the Mile High Club

26:14

anyway. This

26:16

is with Lady Amanda Harlick,

26:18

who was the muse of

26:20

Karl Lagerfeld at Chanel. Seemingly

26:24

she is every bit as private as Ralph

26:26

himself, and to that end

26:28

it is reported that the pair is thought

26:30

to have dated for seven years without ever

26:33

sharing that information with anyone in

26:35

the press, and were

26:37

only rarely photographed together during that

26:39

time. Way undercover. And since

26:41

they have not been photographed together since 2013,

26:44

it's thought that that is when

26:46

that romance ended. Interesting.

26:49

There was also speculation in 2018

26:52

about a possible romance with punk rock

26:54

queen Patti Smith after

26:56

she posted a photo with Ralph on

26:58

Instagram to note his birthday, writing this

27:00

is Ralph Fiennes, a poet's son, and

27:02

poetry is his manner. And

27:04

poetry permeates the parts he plays. Happy

27:07

birthday, Ralph Fiennes, a fine man in

27:10

every way. Oh, I bet. If

27:13

there was anything to the rumors, it must

27:15

have run its course in short order, because

27:17

that's one and done. I don't know. Okay.

27:20

So as noted, Alex Kingston meanwhile went on to

27:23

remarry in 1998 to a German writer and journalist

27:26

that she had met in LA. And

27:29

through the miracle of IVF, although she

27:31

says that process was extremely taxing in

27:33

and of itself, had a daughter in

27:35

2001. Good for her. In

27:37

2008, she brought the long running and much

27:40

beloved character of River Song to the Doctor

27:42

Who series, thinking initially that was going to

27:44

be a one time guest spot, but

27:47

she would end up appearing in 15 episodes total

27:49

between 08 and 2015. Because

27:51

you can't argue with charisma. I

27:54

mean, she leaps off the screen.

27:56

And she played River Song opposite

27:58

the Doctor as portrayed by David

28:01

Tennant, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi.

28:03

And as recently as February of this year

28:06

suggested at a convention that Rivers' time with

28:08

the doctor may not be up quite yet.

28:10

Wouldn't that be amazing? It would be amazing.

28:13

She and Hubby number two separated in 2009 with

28:16

media reports suggesting that she wanted to try

28:18

to have more children and he didn't, but

28:21

I mean, it's impossible to know if that

28:23

speculation was informed or not. She

28:25

married again in 2015 and the couple has

28:28

resided back in the UK full time since

28:31

But has she kept her cool laid back LA

28:33

lifestyle? Let's hope. Her

28:35

most recent project actually is a Doctor Who

28:37

reunion of sorts. She is

28:40

co-starring with Karen Gillan who played Amy

28:42

Pond on Doctor Who. In

28:44

a Stephen Moffat written series, he of

28:46

course was showrunner of Doctor Who during

28:49

most of her time there. The series

28:51

is called Douglas is Cancelled. It's a dark

28:53

comedy about TV journalism that will air this

28:55

fall. Oh, great. As

28:58

for Francesca. As

29:01

noted, she is 78 years young these days and

29:03

still doing what she loves. There's

29:05

a little bit of full circle-ness in noting that

29:07

her most recent project is yet another production of

29:10

Hamlet. No. Yes.

29:12

This one for film starring Sir Ian

29:15

McKellen and reimagined by director Sean Mathias

29:17

as a modern psychological thriller.

29:20

Oh, interesting. I don't think this has

29:22

gotten a US release yet, but it

29:24

wasn't theaters for one night in February

29:26

in the UK. And every

29:28

review that I saw was positively

29:30

giddy about how good and interesting

29:33

it was. So hopefully it will hit a streamer. How

29:35

could it not be? It sounds fantastic. Yeah.

29:38

Hopefully it'll hit a streamer over here soon.

29:41

So that's the story more or

29:44

less of Alex and Rafe and

29:46

Francesca and miscellaneous others. My

29:49

big takeaway here is that Rafe

29:51

can have secret relationships, but

29:53

his choice of partner means that he

29:55

often doesn't have secret relationships. In

29:58

any case, I hereby award. him 17 or

30:01

18 trash cans for his conduct.

30:03

This reflects the age difference between himself and Francesca

30:06

as reported by various sources. It's either 17 or

30:08

18 years and all 17 or 18 float high

30:14

above us, about a mile high

30:16

above us. Wow. And

30:19

that's my story for the day. Thank

30:21

you, Stacey. That was a lot. You're

30:24

welcome. I enjoyed it. That was more

30:26

than I ever thought there was to

30:28

know. I enjoyed that

30:30

trash pandas. I hope you did

30:33

too. Same. I'm a little stunned.

30:35

Yeah, I would not have guessed

30:38

at that much trashiness. Rafe

30:41

finds. So thank you again

30:43

to listener Katie N and

30:45

everyone who has posted suggestions in our Facebook group.

30:47

Yeah, we're going to get around to all of

30:49

them one of these days. One of these days.

30:51

I mean, one week at a time. We have

30:53

pinned posts where people leave recommendations

30:55

and this was a great one. So thanks, Stacey.

30:59

Well done. Thank you. Y'all.

31:01

We can't tell you how much we appreciate you spending your

31:03

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31:05

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31:07

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31:10

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31:12

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31:15

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31:20

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31:22

the first and the

31:24

Earl of Lester, Robert Dudley, puppy

31:26

boy. Go back and check

31:28

out part one. Part two is going to knock

31:30

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31:33

the end of it. But as far as I

31:35

know, no owls. We don't

31:37

know that for sure. Forensic technology

31:39

was so poor back

31:41

then. For anyone

31:44

who really enjoyed the Marion Davies crossover

31:46

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31:49

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31:51

I have come across a

31:53

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31:55

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31:58

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32:00

shady scandal from long

32:02

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32:05

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32:07

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32:10

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32:12

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32:15

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32:17

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32:19

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32:21

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32:23

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