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Welcome to Trashy Divorces, everybody's

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relationships. I am Alicia

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and it is a good day here

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at TDHQ. Yes, it is Stacey here

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and it's a twist in this midweek

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episode as we are hopefully,

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as you are listening to this one, heading

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out to acquire a new vehicle to replace the

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one that was murdered. We

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will be back this weekend with brand

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new stories as soon as we handle

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this car misadventure but in the

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meantime, we're going to buy a little time today to take

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care of some of that trashy business and

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while doing so, I'm feeling season 22 episode

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13. This

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one is not one classic but

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two classics in one episode. We're going

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to do a little double up cuddle

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up. Today I got Fleetwood

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Mac and Stevie Nicks covered by

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the both of us over

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seasons edited and trashily smashed. We're

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taking Fleetwood Mac from season two

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all the way back from April of 2019 and Stevie Nicks

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is from season eight in October of 2020.

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We pulled together this magnificent

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compliment of these two episodes

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across seasons. We think

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new and long time listeners will enjoy

1:16

this one. Yeah, these episodes continue

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to be fan favorites across the

1:21

seasons and really contain everything you

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could wish for in marital misadventure

1:26

with all the connections in between and

1:28

so many trashy inside origin jokes, seven

1:30

mile mic and put on your pants

1:33

too. It is kind of

1:35

a magical connection through trashy. We will catch

1:37

up with our business at the end of

1:39

the episode as I am not going to

1:41

stand in the way of the goddess Stevie

1:44

Nicks in this tribute

1:46

and homage. Also happy

1:48

birthday to you this week, Miss Stevie

1:50

Nicks Gemini Gal born on May 26.

1:53

Happy birthday. We hope you enjoy this

1:55

so many seasons ago. Smoosh up how

1:58

far we have come and how far we

2:00

have to go go go Hey,

2:11

Alicia, I pulled out the lava

2:13

lamp for this episode you

2:16

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2:18

from your dog's mouth and now your dog's

2:20

upset, so You

2:22

seen the lava lamp I'm

2:25

hoping your dog gets really into the lava lamp

2:27

and forgets about squeaky mouse and we're

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all cool It's gonna be

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awesome. We got 70s Trashy

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divorces candy galore today. Yeah and

2:36

and stuff and stuff Not

2:39

all divorces some is just trashy. What

2:42

have you got for me? I can't even wait my

2:44

glasses are off I'm

2:47

ready. I have okay. It's

2:50

multiple divorces breakups

2:52

affairs Blah

2:54

blah blah blah. It's Fleetwood Mac Circa

2:59

1977 Rumors

3:03

Oh Myths legends it all

3:05

in rumors. Oh my god such a good album

3:08

Okay, for starters Fleetwood Mac began life

3:10

as a blues band that formed in London in 1967

3:14

This is not the Fleetwood Mac we care about

3:17

It is hey not yet that Fleetwood

3:19

Mac You know as a girl who

3:21

actually does care about that particular Fleetwood

3:23

Mac before the infusion of Buckingham, Nick's

3:25

I'm not gonna offend any listeners. Hey

3:28

UK your Fleetwood Mac is cool, too

3:31

Hey, they wrote black magic woman. They did

3:33

a lot of good album so many good

3:35

albums a different kind of

3:37

band sure So they were a blues

3:39

band and the initial lineup was front

3:42

man Peter Green guitar vocals

3:44

songwriting guitarist Jeremy Spencer drummer

3:46

Mc Fleetwood bassist John

3:48

McVie or As

3:51

we like to say Fleetwood Mac

3:54

What could go wrong this early band

3:56

did have genuine success Had hits,

3:58

had number one hits. Sixty

4:01

Eight John. Wick be married a

4:03

blue singer and pianist named Christie

4:06

imperfect. From. The man chicken

4:08

shack you. Christine

4:10

Mcvie. I love

4:12

her. Maiden name's perfect. It's perfect. It's

4:14

perfect percent. By Nineteen Seventy,

4:16

Peter Green was in a mental

4:18

health declined. He had over indulged

4:20

on Lsd at a commune. And.

4:23

That may have contributed to the onset

4:25

of Schizophrenia, or perhaps it just made

4:27

the onset of Schizophrenia more apparent. But.

4:30

In any case, Green left the band

4:32

and Nineteen Seventy. Christine. Mcvie Hopson

4:34

to sell and on vocals keys songwriting

4:36

well as right of they're just some

4:39

chicken sec. Yep Yep! Yep

4:41

are also a nineteen seventy Mick

4:43

Fleetwood married. oh you're gonna love

4:45

this Model Jenny Boyd. Why?

4:48

It after a five year on again

4:50

off again romance. Jenny Boyd As the

4:52

younger sister of Pattie Boyd, the wife

4:54

of beetle George Harrison and later the

4:57

wife of Eric Clapton. That.

4:59

Is entirely true. Featured in

5:01

a Season One Story of

5:04

Yours as Jennifer. The tune.

5:06

Of her. My Donovan was written about

5:08

her about any boy. Yeah, Yeah.

5:10

Although they never dated, she was apparently

5:12

just. You. Know. Muse.

5:15

A of said it's a tough url to

5:17

tough role in the world. Will.

5:19

It denies or it. And sixty with whatever odds

5:22

you are in nineteen seventy one. There

5:24

and Los Angeles I believe. Guitarist. Your

5:26

Me Spencer tells the band he's

5:29

gonna run out gov a magazine

5:31

and never comes back. Why words?

5:33

The ban looked for days and

5:35

presumably had notified authorities. Whatever. And

5:38

since this is a true crime podcast, His.

5:40

Body was eventually found under a dumpster.

5:42

No, I'm kidding. He had joined a

5:45

call oh my God. and he is

5:47

still affiliated with them. Really? And.

5:49

This is not a true crime podcasting know

5:51

I've got true crime and of I'm having

5:54

of I was i thought were taken a

5:56

surprise know Jeremy Spencer he's still works around

5:58

us and yeah yeah. Like the

6:00

family, they were the children of God the

6:02

time. Anyways, been here a budget but he's

6:05

diesel performing musician and he still part of

6:07

this. You know, cause I handle it as

6:09

subtitle for both of our stories. Are

6:11

sometimes. Drugs are not a healthy life

6:14

choice that. Colts. Are either

6:16

we're. Probably. To call it

6:18

was better anyway. Wow! I am in.

6:21

You know what? you? you be the judge. Okay,

6:23

there's a whole lot of lineup changes that are

6:25

coming here and I'm just gonna try to zoom through

6:27

him to get to the good stuff. Saturday Spencer gets

6:29

replaced. Which. Changes the band's

6:32

sound again. You. Know another

6:34

guitar player gets fired because he keeps

6:36

having these like alcohol fuelled tantrums. So.

6:39

They have this like constantly shifting line

6:41

up for. Like. Several years, three

6:43

more albums. One.

6:45

Of the guitar players that they bring and

6:48

has an affair with Jenny Boyd oh well

6:50

the bans on you are so that leads

6:52

to the end of the to or and

6:54

the did gets fired obviously be aches. And.

6:57

At this point. Things. Get

6:59

like really weird that know

7:01

know things are weird because.

7:04

Okay, so Fleetwood Mac was named by

7:06

Peter Green. For. Mix Fleetwood

7:08

and John Wick. see. Well.

7:11

The manager of the band Clifford Davis

7:13

says no no I on that name,

7:15

that's mine. Own. So he forms a new

7:18

Fleetwood Mac and decides to send them on

7:20

see where I think in the States. And

7:22

is what he tells those musicians the like

7:25

oh it's cool Mick Fleetwood will be along

7:27

for later date like. But

7:29

here that is why you're the new

7:31

Fleetwood Mac are sitting. We know he

7:33

gets worse. I've never heard the so

7:35

so. Fleetwood Mac's tour manager shows up

7:37

to manage Fleetwood Mac's to or and

7:40

is like what you really are and

7:42

I know mess. Is

7:44

Not Fleetwood Mac's This is not a

7:46

bad I'm looking for. Oh, he hides

7:49

Fleetwood Mac's during gear. In.

7:51

An attempt to sabotage this effort? And

7:54

us is this. Is a totally true the

7:56

as. So

7:58

I'm not sure if it's. Two were, didn't

8:00

happen or if it did, but

8:02

anyway, like obviously, McFleetwood never joined

8:05

Alt, Fleetwood Mac on the road. Like

8:08

these guys, I think, didn't know

8:10

they were being defrauded and there

8:13

were lawsuits on two continents and-

8:15

How long was Clifford Davis? Their

8:17

manager. That was the end of-

8:19

Yeah. Yeah. When

8:23

it did, it all. I think history will show that McFleetwood

8:25

was the manager of the band for the rest of time.

8:28

In any case, in- Holy

8:31

smokes. Yeah, right? Right?

8:34

That time that Clifford Davis almost stole Fleetwood Mac?

8:37

That is amazing. In

8:40

74, to get

8:43

clear of this debacle and to deal

8:45

with the fact that, again, their sound

8:48

was constantly changing because of this churn.

8:51

And so their popularity had kind of waned in

8:53

the UK, but they're all still

8:55

really young. I mean, they're all under 30 at this

8:57

point. So they're not over the- They can use it.

9:00

Have fun. It's cool. They

9:02

decided to move to California. So it's McFleetwood,

9:04

the McVees, and there is another one of

9:06

the short termers was still in the band

9:08

at the time. So they-

9:11

The short termers happening. That's the scene.

9:13

How happening? Yeah. Well,

9:15

the short termer bails pretty soon

9:17

after. So McFleetwood

9:19

does what McFleetwood does and decides to

9:21

hit the ground running, go find some

9:23

new talent and just keep plowing through

9:26

his Fleetwood Mac. That's what he has

9:28

done since 1967 to this very day.

9:33

You'll never break the chain. Funny.

9:36

Funny. Unless you are- The

9:39

chain? Lindy Buckingham. Oh. All

9:41

right. So

9:46

at a Los Angeles recording studio, Mick was

9:48

scouting for- We need to play

9:50

the record. The producer he was

9:53

talking to played him some songs from a record

9:55

he'd recently made by a group called Buckingham Knicks.

9:57

Yeah. They were a big deal. They

10:01

were a small deal, but they

10:03

did what they did well enough to get

10:05

noticed. And they had opened for Janis

10:08

Joplin and maybe Jimi

10:10

Hendrix. They had had some

10:12

– that may have been a previous band, but

10:15

yeah, I mean they were real. They were really

10:17

– they knew what they wanted to do. Hey,

10:20

Dad, I've got your Buckingham Nicks

10:22

album if you're ever looking for

10:24

it. Just an addendum from

10:26

1973. That album covers hot. Okay,

10:32

so they were a duet. The two had

10:34

met in high school. Lindsey

10:36

Buckingham was just 16 when they started

10:38

seeing each other and playing music together.

10:40

Young love. Which I

10:42

don't think he ever recovered from. So after leading

10:44

a band called Fritz for a few years, they

10:47

landed a deal with Polydor Records. In

10:49

1973, they released Buckingham Nicks,

10:51

which kind of went nowhere but

10:54

also led to this intro with Mc Fleetwood. That's it.

10:56

You do your best. You get noticed. Let

10:58

him win the next thing. December 31,

11:00

1974, Mc Fleetwood calls Lindsey Buckingham. I keep

11:02

wanting to say Lindsey Graham, so you're going

11:05

to have to correct me if I do

11:07

that because these are very different people and

11:09

also not so much. Yeah,

11:11

old Linz. I got some

11:14

feelings. Mc Fleetwood calls Lindsey Buckingham and

11:16

asks him to join Fleetwood Mac, and

11:18

Lindsey's into it, but was like, look, me

11:21

and Stevie, Pease and a Pod. Or a package

11:23

deal. Yep. I don't go anywhere that she doesn't

11:25

go, etc. So

11:27

a couple nights later, they all get together. I

11:30

think he was at a Mexican restaurant in LA.

11:33

He got around a table, Mc Fleetwood, John

11:35

McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, and Lindsey

11:37

Buckingham, and the future of

11:39

modern music was set on. I

11:42

mean, apparently they got on

11:44

great. So let's take

11:46

stock here. It is the start of 1975. Fleetwood

11:50

Mac is comprised of Christine McVie,

11:52

age 31, her husband John

11:55

McVie, age 29, Stevie Nicks, age 26,

11:58

her long-time romantic and creative partner Lindsey Buckingham. Buckingham

12:00

25 and McFleetwood 27

12:03

who is also married although wife Jenny Boyd

12:05

is obviously not in the band. These

12:08

people are about to start creating

12:11

brand new things from scratch together

12:13

spending countless hours in a collective

12:15

flow state writing and

12:17

recording songs spending boring hours in

12:19

transit between shows before huge screaming

12:22

crowds spending days and

12:24

nights away from everything comfortable and

12:26

normal except each other and collectively

12:28

discovering the ups and downs of

12:30

massive alcohol abuse and cocaine addictions

12:32

together. I wonder

12:34

what's gonna happen. You

12:37

know you have every elemental

12:39

zodiac sign represented except for earth.

12:43

Oh interesting nothing grounds these people. Just

12:45

as a is my 30 second interjection.

12:48

Sure bring your nostrology at

12:50

me. Stevie Nix and

12:52

Lindsay Buckingham are both air signs. Okay

12:54

floating away. Gemini Lieber respectively. McFleetwood

12:57

is a water sign. He is a cancer. John

13:00

McVie is a Sagittarius. He is the only

13:02

fire in the group. Christine

13:04

Perfect is a cancer just like

13:06

Mick and is also a water

13:08

sign. So you kind of

13:10

see how some of these relationships play

13:12

out based on we can't talk about

13:14

Fleetwood Mac and not talk about astrology.

13:16

I don't see why not but I

13:21

will say John McVie is the

13:23

most understated of all of them so it's

13:26

interesting to me that he is burns

13:28

a quiet fire. A quiet fire. See that

13:30

this can be really whatever you want

13:32

it to be. Nostrology

13:36

please continue with your story my dear. On

13:38

the plus side a documentary I watched

13:40

had Christine McVie talking about integrating Buckingham

13:42

and Nix into the lineup and

13:45

she said it worked because she had no sense

13:47

of competition with Stevie like they were not competitive

13:49

with each other which I just found

13:51

that to be a. And in each other's

13:53

crowns. Yeah what you do. Yeah and

13:56

what you do. Illuminating statement about relationships

13:58

between women and sort of. Nationally

14:00

important because they can be fraught. And.

14:02

It wasn't so that worked. So.

14:04

Because the jelled. And. Weren't competing.

14:07

For. Seen said that just magical things

14:09

happens when they started. Writing.

14:11

Playing music the other like early on. It.

14:14

Was great. Early on

14:16

was a very short span of times. But

14:20

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15:22

so the new band goes into the studio

15:24

to record what would become the album Fleetwood

15:26

Mac. This. I mean

15:28

Theatrics, Hogs like, say you Love

15:31

Me Riyadh and landslide Monday morning.

15:33

I mean the list goes on.

15:35

You know all of these songs.

15:37

Everyone. everyone knows all the songs.

15:40

This. Was a Los Angeles studio and

15:42

Nineteen Seventy Five and Make Fleetwood later

15:44

noted that the police dispense cocaine like

15:47

it was a service. He called cocaine

15:49

new and undiscovered territory and it would

15:51

become a hallmark of the fucked up

15:53

interpersonal dynamics of Fleetwood Mac for years

15:56

to come. Elsa

15:58

And aside from the Coke making

16:00

everything better, there was already tension

16:02

brewing. And. For instance, it turns out

16:04

that Lindsey Buckingham is kind of an asshole.

16:07

Yeah. I was hoping you'd get her out

16:09

of the start of story. sorry, there's more to that

16:11

sentence When it came to how the others were playing

16:13

their part, Of

16:15

A and at one point John

16:18

Wick the stops them apparently like

16:20

mid harangue and says the band

16:22

you're in his Fleetwood Mac I

16:25

am the Mack and I play

16:27

bass. Shut

16:29

Him Down. They got through it

16:31

though, and the album launched to

16:34

modest success. But. The

16:36

band's formula was what it had always

16:38

been. They were gonna to are constantly.

16:41

And. It took fifteen months but they put

16:43

that album and the number one slot and

16:45

it starts with tea and months on the

16:47

road to do it though. They.

16:49

Were tired people and by then like

16:51

completely driver they are really tired. Think

16:55

is the think about the their souls

16:57

were tired and their noses hurt. I

17:00

said it's said that that is true

17:02

Guessing said the territory break and seventy

17:04

six. Like. There were still on

17:06

of the Fleetwood Mac album to or. But.

17:08

A break between legs. They go to

17:10

Florida to try to try to relax,

17:12

take a nap, right? Some music sir?

17:14

You know. They. They

17:16

were very. I. Feel like there

17:18

was a lot of co dependency here. I'm not

17:21

sure why we like. And

17:23

you'll hear later. It's Very. It's

17:25

very strange. Mick Fleetwood has some

17:27

ideas about how stuff should work

17:29

because I feel like. It.

17:31

Would be normal on a during break for

17:33

everybody to like scatter to the wind? Sure.

17:36

Particular. Are so. You're.

17:38

Not going to want to hate you. Don't

17:40

go on vacation with coworkers. Yeah, so let's

17:42

let's take stock here to read. About

17:45

like a year and a half after we took

17:47

stock. Proceed. And John are

17:49

now divorced. Oh really, Make is

17:51

separated from Jenny. Stadium.

17:54

Lindsay have not only broken up but they

17:56

are like. Aggressively fighting

17:59

with each. There whenever they

18:01

encounter each other. Really? So mix like

18:03

hey guys, let's all go to Florida on. Break

18:05

And they do. You

18:08

ever says listen emit complete word.

18:10

We really. Do that is a

18:12

bad idea. Well okay buddy, I didn't know

18:14

that was the state. Of everybody's personal.

18:17

yeah, both full We're We're about

18:19

to head into the Yeah. I

18:21

thought it disintegrated during I think

18:23

it was. I think it was

18:25

slow burn disintegration. I think it's

18:27

whole. He was. he smokes pulling

18:29

out of her time. Okay, talk

18:31

to me What happens? Well.

18:33

Okay, so they're at this house in Florida. And

18:36

it was. You know? All of

18:38

this, all of this and or

18:41

and everybody, everything is collapsing and

18:43

Lindsey Buckingham hammers out the first

18:45

iteration of Fleetwood Mac's classic. Go.

18:47

Your own way. Which. Is

18:49

his breakup song from Stevie Nicks. And

18:53

twenty thirteen. Lead. He told

18:55

Classic Rock Magazine I was completely devastated

18:57

when she took off. And. Yet

19:00

I had to make hits for her. I. Had

19:02

to do a lot of things for her that I really didn't

19:04

want to do and yet I did them. So

19:06

on one level I was a complete. Professional and

19:08

rising above that. But there was a

19:10

lot of pent up frustration and anger

19:12

toward Stevie and me for many years

19:14

of sing me you're sad song of

19:17

being a sad white boy who is

19:19

a talented guitarist who kidnapped like ah,

19:21

no other one had like I'd I'd

19:23

completely. I guess I'm sure that

19:25

he was bitter and angry for a long

19:27

time and that their proximity, but you know

19:29

what he could have done and ultimately did

19:31

do and ultimately hasn't. He. Could have walked

19:34

away from the band for few years. You know

19:36

she could have to like. All

19:38

of all of this petty prose party stuff is.

19:40

Not. Not working for me. Notice on us

19:43

out his a very talented me that are He

19:45

really really know what else he could have done

19:47

before he did all of that. Not.

19:49

Been a dick. Well.

19:51

I think because that's who he is and

19:53

what Mcguigan Health. says.

19:55

Personality. That's.

19:58

The problem. Okay

20:02

see, I'm the mask in as bad

20:04

man. So Stevie Nicks responded approximately

20:07

the way you'd expect a normal

20:09

person to respond. If. Someone had

20:11

written go your Own Way about other if

20:13

they're x in written go your own way

20:15

The are bound. Taylor Swift. So

20:18

she particularly took issue with a specific

20:20

set of lyrics and later told Rolling

20:22

Stone. I. Very much resented him

20:24

telling the world that packing up the shacking

20:26

up with different men was all I wanted

20:28

to do. He knew it wasn't true, it

20:30

was just an angry thing that he said

20:32

every time there's words would come on stage.

20:35

I wanted to go over and kill him.

20:37

He knew it. So he really push my

20:39

buttons through that. It. Was like all

20:41

make you suffer for leaving me and I did.

20:43

O. Sea Sir did What Is

20:46

she right? Okay, so

20:48

first to be honest, Kill Your

20:50

Own Way is a fantastic saw

20:52

that it in the early episodes

20:54

bring Real Song and became one

20:56

of the smash hits from the

20:58

Rumors album which was so you

21:00

know, a year and change away,

21:02

Absolutely. It also spawned a response

21:04

song, Tell Me. Penned. By

21:06

Stevie late in the development of the

21:08

record Rumors. This. Is the

21:10

song Silver Springs. Do.

21:13

You mean the song? Or. The

21:16

curse. Yeah. Yeah

21:18

yeah you be the judge. Check out

21:20

trashy divorces.com to watch the video and

21:22

you tell me I'm just like Stevie

21:25

later down. much more real of though

21:27

Man Yeah so Stevie. I love. Silver

21:30

spring like. Loved it! It's

21:32

this angry break up anthem which

21:34

ends with this bad ass ramp

21:36

up. And. You're right, it is

21:38

obviously ever you you will it is

21:41

sore as a result you yup you

21:43

will never be free. It is the

21:45

up a curse in a song yup

21:48

more real of those style and I

21:50

love oh yeah pure sort of makers

21:52

I may have cursed to see of

21:54

my exes with the same thing which.

21:57

The. powerful song some say in

22:00

Stevie makes a bomb out of it. Stevie

22:30

makes a bomb out of it. Stevie

23:00

makes a bomb out of it. Stevie

23:30

makes a bomb out of it. Can

24:00

I get to that? really? Since. Okay

24:02

so she was furious, she was crushed. but

24:04

ultimately like rumors went out the way it

24:06

went out. When.

24:09

Go Your Own Way was released as a

24:11

single and this is back in the days

24:13

when it was vinyl single so there was

24:16

a beside. Boiling Silver Springs was beside. Oh.

24:19

No. Sir put the whole

24:21

discussion in one place by. Know thought

24:23

that that's the cameramen. From

24:25

the view putting together Rosie, oh

24:27

Donald, Elisabeth Hasselbeck in that Thing

24:30

in the Wizards as different T

24:32

V. That. To setting.

24:34

That. Doesn't need to go with that

24:36

setting it up to be a

24:39

conflict, yet so unhealthy behavior. So

24:41

like. Snow. And Fleetwood Mac

24:43

Super fans from like back in the

24:45

day had had always considered Silver Springs

24:47

to be like the last Fleetwood Mac.

24:50

It. Was kind

24:52

of a legendary song. so run Ninety

24:54

Ninety. I mean, we're jumping ahead. we're

24:56

going to jump back. But around Ninety

24:58

ninety. Stevie was considering doing a best

25:00

of her solo work because. All.

25:03

Of them really had been really sing solo work in

25:05

the interim. And. So she

25:07

asks Mack if she can you silver springs for

25:09

it since fluid not can. In

25:11

any meaningful way. And. He

25:14

was like, well, actually, We're coming up

25:16

on the twenty fifth anniversary of

25:18

Brewers. Zarate. Ninety.

25:21

Anyway, We're coming opponent on a. Ton.

25:23

Of or twenty five. the chain you know is that

25:25

a box that they release and ninety two. Was.

25:27

Like I was thinking of using it for that. So.

25:29

No, you can't. Say

25:32

I'm seeing she quit. Wow.

25:38

Yeah she quit from us have a decade as actually went

25:40

back and ninety seven or ninety eight. And

25:42

Silver Springs did appear on the Twenty

25:44

Fifth Anniversary box set. Third Seed One

25:46

often had an and highly successful oh

25:48

yeah, Solo Korea. Leaving the band did

25:50

not slow her down. Not at all.

25:52

On and see like to see you

25:54

know, Lindsey Buckingham, Ah Christine, I feel

25:56

like they all they all and they

25:59

all worked together. Solar Project Very

26:01

and Mick Fleetwood with like

26:03

as a dysfunctional. It is

26:05

a dysfunctional band and are but Stevie

26:07

Nicks had the most commercial success as

26:09

a solo artist. For sir you know

26:11

Percy Mugsy like developed a fear of

26:13

flying like the touring bike again really

26:16

mix we would had this like grueling

26:18

to are saying that that's just how

26:20

he preferred to be a musician in

26:22

the world right hand. So overtime

26:24

like seems, she left the band for

26:26

many years. plus she just didn't. That.

26:29

Was on where she was alive, same or she wanted

26:31

to be with her friends and family. She won't be

26:33

getting on airplanes and. Get. That

26:35

you know? Yes Yeah! This band

26:37

has really like. Formed.

26:39

And reform than. Just.

26:41

It's been a bunch of different things

26:43

over time. But. Silver Springs

26:45

Amazing song. It will be on our website.

26:48

Oh and it it did not. really.

26:51

Come. Back to the forefront until

26:53

Ninety Ninety Seven when they released

26:55

the Dance See a Concert Album

26:57

and some. And then they'd They'd

27:00

rereleased rumors. It's like the

27:02

deluxe version of Rumors that includes Silver, Spend

27:04

a bunch of other. So

27:07

they're said the So the song came back.

27:09

So. It it does. It took twenty years.

27:12

Her. Mom's first royalty checks. Twenty

27:14

years late mother was for fifty

27:17

grand than yeah that more fun

27:19

from the Rumors recording sessions Christina

27:22

John had of course divorce. And.

27:24

At that point they were only communicating

27:27

about the songs. So

27:29

Chris awkward ever seen contributed to

27:32

very interest me she contributed more

27:34

source in this but to very

27:36

interesting choices that ended up and

27:38

the final line up. The.

27:40

First as don't stop. You know

27:42

don't think about tomorrow about to

27:45

Maria. Yesterday's. Gone. Yesterday's

27:47

Gone. That's the one. And I

27:49

was are upbeat reflection to John.

27:52

Ah like we had a thing. It's

27:55

gone. Don't something like it was.

27:57

Help me along with your life man,

27:59

we're cool. I write good.

28:01

yeah the. Seconds the

28:03

second. Interesting son of

28:05

a contributed. Or. Is the song.

28:08

You. Make love and fun! Yeah. Which

28:10

is not about all I want to do. It. Was

28:12

it about. Well oh.

28:15

It was about Fleetwood Mac's lighting

28:17

director who was now her boy

28:19

Seasons. oh so one of rumors

28:22

producers can kill it movies how

28:24

it's pronounced remembers but then there

28:26

was John and proceeds break. She

28:29

would sneak her new boyfriend into the studio

28:31

just as John was walking out through another

28:33

door and we were kind of ducking. Winner:

28:35

The to chemicals going to mix. What Are

28:37

we going to have? The Explosion. for

28:41

a while during the record it like make

28:43

use such a crazy person. Make. Decided

28:45

the best way to keep the

28:48

peace was have everybody live together

28:50

into groups. So Christine and Stevie.

28:52

He didn't learn enough from

28:54

Florida preceded Stevie. Got a couple of

28:56

apartments down and like by the harbor Bay

28:58

or something like down by the water. And.

29:00

The guys. Move. Then to

29:02

make a place next every hour and

29:05

a boys and girls dormitories. Yes he

29:07

is cry yes and they were like

29:09

they were working. They were in the

29:11

studio like fifteen or sixteen hours a

29:13

day. but it was like. They

29:16

would get their late. Late. Afternoon

29:18

early evening and like have a big

29:20

ceased and then do cocaine for a

29:22

bunch of hours and then around to

29:24

in the morning bad start recording. sure.

29:28

Yeah, lotta booze is butter

29:30

we'd. Love to cope. What's it like? An.

29:33

Apparent I'm in this this do the interview

29:36

with this can kill it guys. Awesome because.

29:38

He. Talks about. Stevie. Nicks

29:41

and Lindsey Buckingham laying down backing tracks on

29:43

Maybe You Make Love and Fireboat on one

29:45

of the songs. And. Arab. You.

29:47

Know they're. Both. Behind the glass,

29:49

staring directly at him so they don't have to

29:51

look at each other right. At every

29:53

time they had like. because they're

29:55

they're recording on tape this is an audi of

29:57

it as is an arm digital And

30:00

so anytime he has to like rewind

30:02

the tape, the second they're not recording

30:05

anymore, they would just turn and start

30:07

screaming at each other. It was like

30:09

a nightmare. So

30:12

bad times. So

30:14

yeah, then they're living in this weird communal...

30:18

I don't know... Fragmented

30:20

communal. Alright, and...

30:22

Nick, bad ideas, man. Oh,

30:24

just wait. We're not

30:26

even there yet. As if things weren't fucked up

30:29

enough in Fleetwood Mac in late 77, Mick

30:32

and Stevie begin an on-again-off-again

30:34

two-year-long affair. No! Then

30:36

more or less overlapped with the end of his marriage,

30:39

and then he briefly remarried Jenny

30:41

Boyd to help immigration to

30:43

the US for their kids. Apparently

30:46

was the deal. Anyway,

30:48

so Mick tells Lindsay, Hey,

30:51

by the way, Stevie and I are seeing each

30:53

other. Oh, Jesus Christ. Right. No. Apparently

30:55

Lindsay, fairly stone-faced, said, Nice of you

30:58

to tell me. I appreciate it. Like,

31:00

I imagine that was... That is not

31:02

what Lindsay thought. Not what... That

31:05

is not what he thought. So they

31:07

eventually broke the relationship off. And

31:10

Stevie next has, like over the years,

31:12

has many times, every time this

31:14

comes up, she

31:17

berates herself hard for her because she's like,

31:19

you know, I knew Jenny. I

31:22

knew his kids. I loved them. I loved

31:24

his family. And like, it

31:26

was terrible. We were drugged up. We were

31:29

coked out. It was stupid. Like, it's one

31:31

of the worst things I've ever done. So,

31:34

you know, she's lived with that. So

31:37

then... But I mean, taking

31:39

ownership forward is something like... I'm gonna

31:41

talk about a lot of people in

31:44

this episode Yeah. That end up really

31:46

taking ownership for some bad decision-making. Yeah.

31:48

In their past. To

31:50

this day, I've never heard Lindsay Buckingham take

31:53

ownership. For very bad

31:55

choices. I didn't... And he's always blaming

31:57

someone else. Yeah. In researching this, I...

32:00

didn't find that either. I will say

32:02

I found him to be sort of

32:04

a caustic and just a

32:06

squirrely enough guy that I wasn't that

32:08

interested in. Yeah. I didn't put a

32:10

ton of focus on him. Sure. But honestly

32:13

I mean Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks

32:15

are much more interesting people than Lindsey

32:17

Bynum. Seriously yeah.

32:19

I don't know. It's like there's a

32:21

lot of people who have owned

32:23

their narrative in this story but I

32:26

don't feel as much

32:28

as this band has clearly had interactions

32:30

together that fucking him

32:33

has ever owned his narrative. Well

32:35

okay so Stevie and Mick

32:37

break their relationship off and

32:40

Mick starts dating Stevie's

32:42

best friend. What? A woman named

32:44

Sarah Ricor who he eventually marries.

32:46

They were married for seven years

32:48

I think. Oh my god. And

32:51

you know yeah no big. At the outset this

32:53

caused some pain for Stevie which

32:56

Mick was really surprised by is like but

32:58

we're done what's the big deal? It also

33:01

produced the song Sarah. I was

33:03

gonna. Wow. Because this band. Anyway

33:06

Sarah appeared on 1979's

33:09

Tusk. Yeah. And sort

33:11

of okay so here's another fun

33:14

thing from Mirage in 1981

33:18

included Christine McVie's song Hold Me

33:20

which was inspired by another Troubled

33:23

Romance because she was engaged

33:25

to Beach Boy drummer Dennis Wilson.

33:28

Really? And it was going terribly. They were engaged

33:30

for like three years. So

33:32

yeah Hold Me is about like

33:34

this band is

33:37

just like this engine that

33:39

takes heartbreak and just

33:41

turns it into chart topping songs.

33:43

Like it's amazing. This is like

33:46

it's hard to think of a

33:48

more perfect system of taking like woundedness

33:50

and making it like famous and popular.

33:53

And lucrative.

34:00

Overwhelmed with legitimately brand new

34:02

information. This is um, oh,

34:04

yeah. Yeah Also,

34:07

I didn't know she was engaged

34:09

to Dennis Wilson. Yeah, so also the

34:11

song tusk which I think what year was this? That

34:14

was 80 81. So I think

34:16

they were engaged from 79 to 82 But

34:19

yes tusk the song tusk

34:22

gets probably its best treatment ever in the

34:25

opening episode of the TV show the

34:27

Americans So good is

34:29

such a cool sequence Okay

34:32

moving on So

34:36

this ends the official like

34:38

marital romantic drama within the band

34:41

section But the lineup

34:43

over the next many decades has been all

34:46

over the place with only Mick and John

34:48

standing as the permanent members of the band

34:50

so Flea would Matt.

34:53

Yep. Yep. Makes sense. There you go Last

34:56

man. Yeah, everybody got sober Stevie checked

34:58

into Betty Ford in 86 Betty

35:01

when a plastic surgeon told her that

35:03

her nose would disintegrate if she continued

35:05

using cocaine and she has said that

35:07

she They were all addicts, but she

35:10

was the worst and that moment scared her Yeah,

35:13

great shitless. Yeah, and actually

35:16

and she after that though Like

35:18

she quit coke but was still on a

35:20

bunch of psych meds after that and she

35:23

like fell and cut her head open and

35:27

Realized like she just hadn't had enough alcohol

35:29

to like it was the Klonopin that she

35:31

was on so she was on So

35:33

many drugs. Yeah, she went through a

35:36

lengthy and painful detox from yeah She

35:38

had a bad there like from what

35:40

I recall I saw an interview with

35:42

her She had a really bad therapist

35:44

who had her whatever like

35:46

on Whatever pen Klonopin

35:49

a day with Laura's a Pam and she

35:51

invited a friend of hers over one day

35:53

and said hey man Will

35:55

you today take the drugs I take during

35:57

a day? Can we do them together?

36:00

because I think I'm losing my mind here.

36:03

If you can take the drug and he's like you

36:06

have got to eat within two hours

36:08

is flat. Like

36:10

how you need help.

36:12

Yeah. You need a new doctor.

36:14

Yeah. You can't do this every day. This

36:16

is not tough. This is owning you out.

36:18

Exactly. Okay so

36:20

John McVie apparently his his drug

36:22

of choice was alcohol, a lot

36:25

of it and in 87

36:27

he had a seizure from over

36:30

drinking and so he gave up drinking at that

36:33

point. Oh wow. Okay. And has

36:35

I think been sober since or I don't

36:37

know like he's probably been sober

36:39

from booze since I think everybody's

36:41

been sober from cocaine for a long time. Sure. I

36:43

think that was just however

36:46

fun fun things about

36:48

70s rock stars in mixed

36:50

biography. That pharma party ends up stopping

36:54

at a certain point. Yeah in mixed biography there's a

36:56

story about a time when the band was chilling with

36:58

an engineer one night and they're just like shooting the

37:00

shit like how much cocaine you

37:02

think McSleetwood's done in his life and

37:05

so they ran a little

37:08

calculation. They did some maths. Oh

37:11

maths. Yeah calculating based on an

37:13

eighth of an ounce a day for 20

37:15

years which is probably.

37:17

I can't even process an eighth of an ounce of

37:19

cocaine in a day. I honestly don't even know what

37:22

an eighth of an ounce of cocaine would look like.

37:24

It's an e-ball. I know but I don't

37:26

know what that I mean I know what it looks like at a

37:28

pool table. No I'm kidding. I don't know what that would. Okay

37:30

so calculating based on an eighth

37:32

of an ounce a day for 20 years the

37:36

engineer determined that if you laid that much

37:38

cocaine out in a line it

37:41

would be seven miles worth

37:43

of cocaine. Oh my

37:45

god. And I mean to this

37:47

day Stevie lives with a dime size hole in

37:50

her septum. Seriously? Yeah I guess

37:52

there's no reason to get it fixed like

37:54

I'm sure at this point it's healed and

37:56

doesn't hurt her or anything like that but.

37:59

So Like to wrap. We would knock. Either

38:01

a few things that I want to

38:03

rebel with: One: Apparently Mick Fleetwood has

38:05

lost count of the number of times

38:07

he has declared bankruptcy. Help put him

38:09

in charge. Put him in charge. Yeah,

38:11

like. apparently a guy that should be.

38:14

And jar, apparently he never started thinking

38:16

about tomorrow. And

38:20

as a gesture to his. Never.

38:22

Went away another one way as a twenty

38:24

a T and Lindsey Buckingham pissed about often

38:27

of the day like. Fired.

38:29

Him fired him permanently and now have.

38:32

I. Want to say Might Campbell of Tom Petty

38:34

or band. And Neil

38:36

fan of what is

38:38

crowded, Crowded. House I love. I don't

38:40

know why I can't remember the name either. Such a

38:42

good There's has a good and. Such.

38:45

A good man and that is

38:47

now the permanent lineup. So Lindsey

38:49

Buckingham is listed as a former.

38:51

Really? I knew there was a

38:53

little Sli was overseas. Yeah, it

38:55

seems like as far as the

38:57

band the band is concerned. does

39:00

he just no longer remember where?

39:02

And an and he had to

39:04

heart surgery and February answer? Yes

39:06

Or so he's healthy. When

39:09

his own thing. I mean, yeah,

39:11

I mean, I hope he's healthy, obviously.

39:13

Okay. Well

39:16

done. That was an amazing story.

39:20

Thank you Telling Amazing! Though.

39:23

Do cocaine. Don't. Know.

39:26

Drugs. Are bad kids. Don't. End

39:28

up with a dime sized hole in your substance.

39:30

Their ways to avoid this? we should have stopped

39:32

us along. Your idea? Get a break? Gonna play?

39:36

I'm Chris gathered in a very said it's

39:38

so beautiful them apart. Guess where I talk

39:40

to random people on the phone? It without

39:42

a phone number thousand people try to call

39:44

the one of them. They stay anonymous. I

39:47

can hang up at all the rules and

39:49

never know what's gonna happen with get seriously

39:51

affected listeners. On the way the prisoners took

39:53

the people survive mass shooting. Crazy funny was

39:55

I talked to a guy with the zoo

39:57

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40:00

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40:02

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beautiful and I'm. So

40:14

excited you have someone who technically

40:16

is a trashy divorces along is

40:18

technically. We've she was

40:20

in a story that we did before.

40:22

That's exactly right. Today. Legend.

40:26

Earnest she is Trashy Angel

40:28

Ah, Stevie Nicks Move in

40:30

with Elucidate or the All.

40:33

Cd. Does have one divorce that we're

40:35

gonna talk about as as as far

40:37

more tragic than trashy. The. Rules

40:39

her ass. Lies. And her

40:41

first boyfriend when the Buckingham. So

40:45

this. Is a trashy divorces episode Not a.

40:47

Hero. Of our program not a

40:49

Euro mine. But.

40:53

We're going to get into some X files

40:55

to and talk about their relationship. or guess

40:57

they're a lot of excellent resources that are

40:59

available on Stevie Nicks In the World to

41:02

you specifically if you really want the deeds.

41:04

Her. Masterclass on Oprah Winfrey.

41:07

Amazing. There's. Also an

41:09

audio book called the Wild

41:11

Heart. Of Stevie Nicks by Rob Southfield

41:13

that is currently on Audible and when you

41:15

mentioned this last night, I was like oh

41:18

I think I have that and it it

41:20

is. It's a my library and I haven't

41:22

downloaded it yet. Excellent resource. Both of those

41:24

references. As well as everything else I've. Used to

41:26

my story. always available on Trashy

41:29

divorces.com. Aforementioned

41:31

Stacey around here it

41:33

thq. We. Are fans of

41:36

Stevie? That we are are fans As

41:38

Fleetwood Mac? We are. You covered the

41:40

trashy divorces, break ups and miles of

41:42

cocaine around the rumors era of Fleetwood

41:44

Mac? That's right, April Seventh of Twenty

41:46

Nineteen and Season Two Episode Two of

41:49

Have We Still get a lot of

41:51

emails about how much people love. That

41:53

episode And for real, Seven

41:55

Miles. Of cocaine. it's

41:57

one of my favorite ones honestly

42:00

Like there are a few that really jump out and that's one.

42:02

So if you were in the Trash Panda

42:05

Club, you just need to say seven miles

42:07

and we all know what you're talking about.

42:09

Yup, yup. Today I'm gonna weave a

42:12

different narrative. Stacy, you've

42:14

told the rumors story and very well,

42:16

I might add. Thank you. Today

42:18

we're getting into Stevie Nicks and a few key relationships

42:20

in her life and some

42:22

lessons learned too, I suppose. Stevie

42:26

has been quite on purpose, not married

42:29

since 1983. So 47 years

42:31

and counting and I'm thinking that she likes

42:33

it that way. One assumes,

42:35

let's get into why. Stephanie

42:38

Lynn Nicks born May 26th, 1948. She's

42:41

a Gemini baby. Comes out

42:43

ready to go. She's born in

42:46

Arizona, but the family moves around a bit. Stevie

42:49

is gonna take ballet as a kid. That

42:52

is not her love. Her love is

42:55

singing with her grandpa. He's a country

42:57

singer. His name is A.J. Nicks. And

43:00

like, he's a unicorn grandpa.

43:02

Like whatever you wanna do, kid,

43:04

you can do. And they

43:07

are singing together by the time she's

43:09

four. He will give her

43:11

truckloads of 45 records and

43:14

they'll go through and sing everyone

43:16

together. Grandpa

43:18

tells her, kid, you're a

43:20

harmony singer. You are a

43:22

harmony singer and sing

43:25

little songbird. Sing. And

43:28

grandpa is gonna take her to play in his

43:30

shows too. So she's standing

43:32

up singing in, you know, gin joints at

43:36

four or whatever. She's writing songs

43:39

by the time she's 11 or 12. And

43:41

now, this is early 60s, so

43:43

here's a fun little tie-in. She is loving

43:45

the Chorales. She's

43:48

loving all of the girl band things, the

43:50

things that are happening on R&B, the things

43:52

that are happening in Top 40. Meaning

43:57

every song written by Carole King and Jerry

43:59

Goffin. She is cutting her teeth

44:01

on okay, right nice little tie-in from a few

44:03

weeks ago. Yep but

44:06

Stevie Jim and I kid Stevie's

44:08

mom kind of Understands

44:10

her daughter and Stevie's

44:13

mom is gonna tell her early on Hey,

44:15

you like being the boss You

44:18

need to make sure that you are president

44:20

of your company or leader of your band

44:22

cuz you do not like people telling you

44:25

what to do And

44:27

this is some very wise advice that maybe Stevie

44:29

should have listened to There's

44:33

one November night in 1966 There

44:36

is a party and across the

44:39

room. There's a dreamy guy Strumming

44:42

on the guitar big big hair big hair

44:45

a lot of beard. I think Probably

44:48

not at that point cuz they're both

44:50

on the edge of 17

44:52

oh are they okay, and there's this dude

44:55

and he's playing California

44:57

dreaming who is this

44:59

mystery guitar player? Oh, I can't imagine

45:02

huh Lindsay Buckingham

45:04

old lens Libra boy.

45:06

He's born October 3rd in Palo

45:08

Alto, California Lindsay's got

45:10

two brothers. They're all competitive swimmers

45:13

Like seriously competitive swimmers and do very

45:16

well, but lens is not into

45:18

that lens is really

45:20

into music he's obsessed by it

45:22

he loves the Kingston trio and and

45:26

Lindsay just legit gets obsessed

45:28

by music and starts playing on this

45:30

Mickey Mouse guitar until his parents

45:32

are like Okay,

45:35

I guess this is a thing you want

45:37

to do Here's a real instrument if

45:39

you want to keep this up so they

45:41

upgrade them You know to a real acoustic

45:43

this is the equivalent of the Snoopy fishing

45:45

pole that my parents gave me when I

45:47

was tiny That's right. You want to be

45:49

a fisherperson you start with this little three

45:51

foot long Snoopy fishing pole We have a

45:54

replica of that pole in our home right

45:56

now. We do okay, but

45:58

Lindsay has never taken a

46:00

guitar lesson. He doesn't know how to

46:02

read music, but he's in love with

46:04

it all, and the guitar, and making

46:06

music happen. He loves

46:09

his guitar. Maybe he should have

46:11

dated his guitar instead. Alright,

46:13

let's bring these kids together. November

46:15

1966, there's a party, and both Stevie

46:18

Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are there. Both

46:21

ride on the edge of 17. And I

46:24

know what Stevie Nicks says about edge of

46:26

17, but wowza. This

46:29

is a teenage romance song, but

46:31

from a later adult point of view.

46:33

Like Stevie Nicks gets it when she

46:36

writes the song, whatever, 15

46:38

years later. It's

46:40

not important here. Anyway, two kids.

46:43

There's the groovy kid playing California Dreamin' in

46:45

the Corner, and Stevie Nicks is like, my

46:48

grandpa says I'm a harmony singer. So

46:53

she wanders over. It's my moment.

46:55

It's my moment. And drops some

46:57

harmonies. Sure. Mama Cass, Michelle Phillips

46:59

harmonies inside of his California Dreamin'.

47:02

And that's that. Life goes on

47:05

until one of the dudes in Lindsey's band

47:07

calls Stevie Nicks. And it's like, uh, do

47:10

you want to be in her band? And she's

47:12

like, yeah, I can't think why not. So

47:14

she joins the band. Grandpa said I'm a

47:17

harmony singer. Grandpa, I say, in harmony. I

47:20

mean, she's also right. And she's

47:22

so, yeah, yeah. We joke, but

47:25

she joins this band called Fritz and

47:27

her parents are cool with it. Like the band

47:29

is busy. They are working every weekend and her

47:32

parents are like, we're all for this, but you

47:34

have to stay in school. Cause she's still

47:36

in high school. Like I do recall that. This

47:38

is high school college. Right. In the high school

47:40

beginning of college. Yeah. This band was like gigging

47:42

constantly even before they'd graduated high school. I

47:45

mean, they're a working band, but

47:47

her parents are like supportive.

47:49

We'll support what you're doing kid, but you

47:51

still have to get a degree. To have

47:54

your fallback. To have your fallback

47:56

plan. This is like when you become a parent, I think

47:58

that a doctor hands you a slip. that just has

48:00

the word fallback on it. Here,

48:02

if your child is creative, here's the word you

48:04

need. You need a fallback plan. All

48:07

right, so Stevie joins

48:10

the band. There are no romantic sparks

48:12

with Stevie and Lindsay. Both

48:15

do you have a boyfriend and a

48:17

girlfriend? I think you

48:19

mean respectively. Both

48:22

Stevie and Lindsay are both in relationships.

48:25

Are both in relationships. And

48:27

they're in a band, and they're collaborating. They're having fun.

48:30

Stevie's taking some classes. So it's

48:32

like everybody's kind of doing the

48:34

work and playing. But it's late

48:36

1960s in San Francisco. And

48:39

they're opening for Jimi Hendrix and Janice

48:41

Joplin. And they're playing at the Fillmore

48:43

and the Avalon in Winterland. It's

48:45

a marvelous time. It's all about the music. And

48:48

they want to make it. And they want to record it too.

48:51

So here comes Lindsay Buckingham's dad. He

48:54

works at this coffee company in

48:57

the city. And he's like, hey, Stevie

48:59

and Lindsay, I know you really

49:02

want to have a space to

49:04

work on your tunes. Want some

49:06

of my sweet, sweet Starbucks dollars?

49:08

I know it's not Starbucks. It's not Starbucks. But

49:12

dad's like, hey, I work at

49:14

this coffee company. And I can get you

49:16

in the office building after 9 o'clock at

49:18

night. And you can work from 9 PM to

49:20

3 AM. You

49:23

have a space to do it. It's quiet. Nobody's

49:25

going to bug you. Work on your music there.

49:28

So they do. Stevie is going

49:30

to do crochet as Lindsay's doing his

49:32

thing. And they lay down some

49:35

vocals and some music and guitar and sing

49:37

some more and knit some more and whatever.

49:40

Romance and the coffee company. After

49:43

10 months of working together, they fall in love.

49:46

Maybe with the project. Maybe with

49:48

the music. But then it becomes

49:50

more than all about the music. And they're,

49:52

I Don't know, I'm going to

49:54

say love, fall in love here loosely. Because

49:56

I think Lindsay Buckingham Really, really is only

49:58

in love with his guitar. The

50:01

treaty then and she's hooked. And.

50:03

They're making beautiful music together and the

50:06

months of working in the coffee company

50:08

has changed. The dynamic in it is

50:10

fueling. Their passion. What if they're just.

50:13

A hyper caffeinated. They're

50:15

both air says. He's. A

50:17

Gemini and Libra. So in

50:20

no strategy, it's polluting away,

50:22

right? Isis, Sonny and Cher?

50:24

This is. We. Did somebody

50:26

else recently? Said Or

50:29

therein therein therein Therein a shared delusion, if

50:31

you will. They. Things are happening.

50:34

And they're sharing it together. And.

50:37

Ah, they make a big announcement to Mom

50:39

and Dad and the bad and they're like

50:41

hey, guess what? We're. Now do well

50:43

and we're going to move to L A and make it

50:45

big! And. Studies.

50:48

Parents are like. Okay kid, but

50:50

if you're going to do this, we're. Out financially

50:52

you're going to need to support yourself.

50:54

Go live your dream. But

50:57

don't come crying to us when

50:59

you can't make it. Good

51:02

luck. So they me. Steve.

51:05

He gets a job as a waitress. Ah,

51:08

made a every like Stevie work

51:10

in what I. Would is Lindsay

51:12

do well. They're not playing. Ah,

51:15

She's up playing music in the day. Lizzie.

51:18

Is she's working in the day

51:20

for earning money right and listed

51:22

as a have any jobs oh

51:25

those the says. Stevie.

51:27

Nicks plus a she's very tied at

51:29

once. He doesn't have a job because

51:31

what would he. Do. To

51:33

me, what is Lindsey Buckingham than a do. As

51:36

he gonna be a waiter, I don't think

51:38

so. I knew him way to well. You

51:40

know your man. He's a music man. That's

51:43

what he does. I.

51:45

On the other hand, I'm a girl of all trades.

51:48

I think see says a lot of

51:50

Grayson. this. Set

51:52

is not probably what I've dated. Lindsey. Buckingham

51:54

Said is not what I sammy a

51:56

habit they did have other day that

51:58

that guy and. Not as graceful

52:01

about what I say, at least

52:03

inside my heart. Or

52:05

if they're Cd she's taken written, paying for

52:07

the car and they're recording in their basement.

52:09

Know working on music and. Though.

52:12

Nineteen Seventy Two Dave

52:14

recorded. What? Will become their

52:16

debut album Buckingham next they get

52:18

fined Apollo Door. The album comes

52:20

out gets lot of critical acclaim. And.

52:23

Then pollard or dropped some to the album. Does

52:26

not sell me. By.

52:28

Nineteen Seventy Four. Steepest.

52:30

A. Studious. Tired of

52:32

being poor in a waitress and

52:34

made and taking every job she

52:36

can to support Lindsey's lifestyle of

52:38

sitting around, getting high and playing

52:40

music all day in his underwear.

52:43

I'm assuming the in his underwear part

52:45

these days. I believe video games fill that

52:48

void for so many so. And.

52:50

May be projecting about the underwear part

52:52

I'm in. It's

52:55

twenty twenty we can surmise. But.

52:58

See why? Is it up? Finally figured out

53:00

that she's worth a little more. She's.

53:03

Us are tired and she's hungry. She's.

53:05

Tried to me that a few times, but she

53:07

can't afford rent on her own. And.

53:09

There had been break up and get back to

53:12

gathers and. Seriously. Lindsay. Get

53:14

your shit together man. like worse. Boyfriend

53:16

award. Oh I forgot to talk about

53:18

his infidelity. So good. Guess so

53:21

on the Buckingham next album Quotes: she's.

53:23

Away a lot elisa he probably gets

53:25

lonely. She's. Away a

53:27

lot, working odd jobs, losing her job.

53:29

it in his underwear yes, hi, I'm

53:31

play guitar as he's probably very lonely.

53:33

She should focus more on him seediness

53:36

as a songwriter, right? So there's a

53:38

definite reference on bugging him next to

53:40

him sleeping around in her songs. Like.

53:43

The relationship is rocky. It is bad in

53:45

Stevie. Nicks is beyond done. You have taken

53:47

advantage of me for as long as I

53:49

am willing to go bucko and now see

53:51

the next wants to bail. She's.

53:54

Like you know what? My. Parents will let

53:56

me move back home. I can

53:58

go back to school. Okay,

54:00

eat out and Fleet. I can just

54:02

go study some books and take the

54:04

pressure off. Everything that I

54:06

have tried to keep together for

54:09

years now. Fear.

54:11

Never helps relationships does. Handy

54:13

heavy like tip. Okay,

54:16

So. Stealing. Lindsay are

54:18

already on the outs even before

54:20

they connect with Fleetwood Mac. This.

54:23

Is what the song landslide is about. See.

54:25

The next rights that like shit if I dumped them,

54:27

I lose all of it. But. I'm hungry,

54:29

but if I leave, all of that

54:32

work is gone. And at

54:34

that time it's worth staying together to

54:36

keep the music together. They had this

54:38

musical connection. Have. Sacrificed as

54:41

little bit more and then the phone

54:43

call comes in from Mick Fleetwood. you've

54:45

done that episode Rag as he met

54:48

the sound engineer who had recorded their

54:50

album I Think is that little camera

54:52

and lens. He's like yeah, I'll be in

54:54

your bambee that isn't my girlfriend Sue and. But

54:58

it is Stevie Nicks that pushes Lindsay

55:00

and adjoining. Stevie. Nicks lays down.

55:02

She's like. I. Am done.

55:05

Unless. You do that. She's barely hanging on.

55:07

Lays it all on the line. Tar.

55:09

To be in a waitress? Let's.

55:11

Go! We're here to make music.

55:14

Sorry you're going to have to put on pants.

55:17

And leave the house and actually

55:19

do something with have analyzed man.

55:23

Talented musician. Kind

55:25

of a lousy boyfriend. Lindsey.

55:28

Buckingham is like okay, so it's on.

55:31

Stadium Lindsay by the summer nights

55:34

And Seventy Five or millionaire. By.

55:37

The end of Nineteen Seventy Five, they

55:39

have broken up. Cds like

55:41

I'm out amount of us. There's nothing that

55:43

can be done to put us back together

55:45

again that you and I are staying in

55:48

this band and you are going to wear

55:50

pants and we're going to work together every

55:52

day to keep this together. Us breaking up

55:54

does not ruin the thing that we have

55:57

worked so hard to get here for or

55:59

I need you to suck it up and

56:01

turn on some pants. But. We're

56:03

done. Over. They

56:06

wrote some great songs about the break the.

56:09

Rumors. Is the divorce to

56:11

every until gas slider lesser extent.

56:14

On earth had heard a better trashy

56:16

divorces themed alec. Really amazing and when

56:18

you get to the end. Like

56:20

and. If it doesn't make you feel

56:22

better about your trashy break up, start

56:25

the album. I'll over again, right? So

56:27

good. Okay, Lindsey Buckingham will blame Fleetwood

56:29

Mac for the loss of see the

56:31

next. He. Says they would have been

56:33

married with kids and at a different life.

56:36

I. Don't think Lindsey Buckingham. As ever,

56:38

not going to be mad. About

56:40

this. Stevie. Nicks.

56:43

says. Destiny didn't take the that way.

56:46

Both. Of us would have thought a

56:48

lot harder at different times and our

56:50

relationship if we were meant to be

56:52

together. It works out exactly

56:54

how it should. He. Was

56:56

my great musical love. He. Was

56:59

also controlling. And jealous and

57:01

all together city. That. Musical

57:03

always connect us. So.

57:06

Even though stadium as he will continue. To.

57:10

Fight. Worked. Together,

57:12

be angry at each other, work at

57:15

all out for the next, However,

57:17

many decades. The. All

57:19

Love affair. With. Stadium Once you're done.

57:23

right? After that break up, Steve is

57:25

not wasting any time. Let's date another

57:27

rock star. City. Says

57:29

don't take rock stars never and as

57:32

well as a this seems largely be

57:34

true yeah for hims. Well and really

57:36

gotta live the lives of that to

57:39

give out that kind of advice and

57:41

know that. In your trashy

57:43

trashy soul. State. Is gonna

57:45

move on to Don Henley. Drummer. And

57:47

vocalist for The Eagles. They're

57:50

gonna run post Breakup with Lindsey

57:52

Buckingham. T Seventy Eight, Seventy Nine.

57:55

Stealing. It's again very kind will

57:58

say about Don Henley. He always. The

58:00

did her like a wife. He. Was so

58:02

concerned for her care and comforts. Which

58:05

is a really nice thing to say, especially.

58:07

After the advice of don't They Rock

58:09

stars. It's. Always going to end badly.

58:12

What? Happens here. Since.

58:15

Information as come to light and as kind

58:17

of time marches on. Both.

58:19

Don Henley and Stevie Nicks have talked about

58:21

a pregnancy and that relationship. And

58:24

the abortion that Stevie did have

58:26

cause. Heavily. Into

58:28

a substance misuse. Cycle.

58:31

Ended Dixon is t the will talk about

58:33

it. I was in no way ready to

58:35

have a child. There. Was drugs. There

58:38

was my health. We were touring. There was the

58:40

music, Even. Just last week. She

58:43

reserve resurfaced a little bit and the

58:45

news in an interview where she talked

58:47

about the importance of access to legal

58:49

and safe abortions. And. The

58:51

reminder that we do not want to

58:53

return to the back alley format of

58:55

women's health care. Timely.

58:58

Seen. It on a loss. For a while,

59:00

leather and lace they're going to do together

59:02

right? Will. Always be a

59:05

testament. To that relationship. But.

59:07

There's some stuff going on in that time to

59:09

in the seventies little Cd. There's. The

59:12

Mick Fleetwood Thing. And. The

59:14

the had romance their while he's

59:16

is Mary order a yeah marrying

59:18

Jenny Boyd divorcing again but before

59:21

he gets married to Sarah Oh.

59:24

Steve. He's also going to have a little romance

59:26

with Jd. Salinger. So they jerry Brown

59:28

also future Governor of California are

59:30

it. And as the night to

59:33

any one rolls around she could have been the First

59:35

Lady of California. How amazing with that have been. Cds

59:38

getting married After that. everyone. Gets

59:40

slowing. Dresses: Everyone's a new

59:43

uniform as a boy in

59:45

the Calgary California thing. Here's

59:47

your flowing dress. Is

59:51

has wings. Again, Nineteen.

59:54

Eighty one rolls around and this is when Stevie

59:56

Nicks will marry for the first and only time.

59:58

To. A guy named him. Yeah, Kenneth,

1:00:01

the widowed husband of Stevie his

1:00:04

best friend. And for real

1:00:06

the story is tragic. Seen his best friend

1:00:08

Rob and they been best friends since they

1:00:10

were fourteen. The. Year Before

1:00:12

Nineteen Eighty, Robin is diagnosed

1:00:14

with leukemia. Robin. Is

1:00:17

married to Kim. Two. Months

1:00:19

into her diagnosis, season remission

1:00:21

and then she gets pregnant.

1:00:24

Robin goes off all treatment. She's.

1:00:27

Like I'm gonna die, but I'm gonna leave

1:00:29

a child behind. And. Sure enough,

1:00:31

a son is born. And. Robin

1:00:33

does passed away in Stevie,

1:00:35

his grief stricken and so

1:00:37

is ten. This reminds. Me: a

1:00:39

lot of Elizabeth Taylor. And Eddie Fisher getting

1:00:41

together after the death of my tied

1:00:43

because they're not so much in love

1:00:45

with each other's they were in love

1:00:47

with the person that they both loved.

1:00:50

Which. Right brings them. Together.

1:00:54

And Stevie is gonna convince Kim.

1:00:56

Yes, we really need to get married. This

1:00:58

is what Robin would have wanted. And

1:01:01

upon retrospect, she's like. To

1:01:04

do that. He did take

1:01:07

her son or her husband to do

1:01:09

that. Her words, not mine. It was

1:01:11

so insane. But Greece makes you do

1:01:13

weird things. Yes, it does. This.

1:01:16

Marriage only last three months. There's a

1:01:18

moment three months and were Stevie goes

1:01:21

and to check on the baby And

1:01:23

normally when she goes into the baby's

1:01:25

room the crib is always rocking. And.

1:01:28

Stevie will think oh Robbins here.

1:01:30

In our robbins here watching out for us

1:01:32

and three months in one day, Cd goes

1:01:35

into the ladies room and the crib isn't

1:01:37

rocking. And. Stevie Slide.

1:01:40

Robbins gone. And

1:01:42

she talks about hearing the literal

1:01:44

click in her head. Of

1:01:47

O. O.

1:01:51

C. B has on up to the kitchen to

1:01:53

wait for him to come home. Where.

1:01:55

she says i don't love you you don't love

1:01:57

me you may think you love me but you

1:01:59

don't Neither one

1:02:01

of us was thinking, we've

1:02:03

got to end this. This isn't a thing. Right. And

1:02:06

that is kind of the story of her three-month marriage. She

1:02:09

stayed close to that kid though, right? She's just

1:02:11

about to say. Okay. She will put that kid

1:02:13

through college. They're super close now.

1:02:16

She's still very much a maternal

1:02:18

influence to Robin's child, but

1:02:21

she didn't need to be married to Kim to know that. So

1:02:24

that is the brief marriage

1:02:26

and trashy, tragic divorce of the humans. Yeah, that

1:02:28

one's – yeah, I don't know if that's trashy

1:02:30

so much as completely

1:02:32

understandable that you could confuse

1:02:35

your shared grief. Yeah. Yeah.

1:02:37

Grief makes you do weird

1:02:39

things. Okay. Maybe

1:02:41

the best thing, maybe the very best thing

1:02:43

that we got out of that marriage

1:02:46

for us happened on their

1:02:48

wedding day. There's a trashy musical

1:02:50

connection to another legend here, Prince,

1:02:53

who's also a fellow Gemini, just

1:02:55

like Stevie. Stevie

1:02:58

and Kim get married, and they're driving up to

1:03:00

Santa Barbara after the wedding. Top

1:03:03

down. Everybody's got their flowing

1:03:05

sleeves. It's my wedding day. This

1:03:08

is the first day Stevie hears Little Red Corvette.

1:03:11

It's the first – it just knocks

1:03:14

off her face. She's like, whoa.

1:03:18

Stevie is going to write

1:03:20

that day what will become

1:03:22

the debut song of

1:03:24

her second solo album. She writes, Stand

1:03:26

Back. Okay? That's

1:03:29

how much she loved Prince's song. But

1:03:32

she goes to record her song,

1:03:34

Stand Back, and keeps thinking like,

1:03:36

shit. I probably need to tell

1:03:38

Prince that I'm doing this song

1:03:40

because it sounds a lot

1:03:42

like his jam, and I would

1:03:45

feel a lot better if I could

1:03:47

give him co-creator credit and

1:03:49

some rights on this. That's

1:03:52

how strongly she feels that Prince was

1:03:54

instrumental to her making this piece

1:03:56

of music. So Stevie next is

1:03:59

going to call Prince a up. Hey

1:04:01

man, I really like you and

1:04:03

I wrote the song and I just got married

1:04:05

and you're blah blew my face

1:04:07

off and then I wrote that. Okay.

1:04:10

20 minutes later, Prince is walking in

1:04:12

her recording studio. Stevie

1:04:15

Nick says he walked

1:04:17

over to the synthesizers that were set up

1:04:19

and was absolutely brilliant for about 25 minutes

1:04:22

and then left. He spoiled

1:04:24

me for every band I've

1:04:26

ever had because nobody can exactly

1:04:28

recreate, not even with two

1:04:31

piano players, what Prince did all

1:04:33

by his little self. So

1:04:36

Prince is going to come in in that 25

1:04:38

minutes and do all of the rhythm and

1:04:40

the keyboards and basically the entire like

1:04:43

music of Stand Back, which

1:04:45

when you know this, when you hear Stand Back,

1:04:47

you're never going to listen to that song in the

1:04:49

same way again. Just saying. Sure.

1:04:53

So after the marriage to Kim

1:04:55

ends and while working on Bella Donna,

1:04:58

Stevie is going to date the producer

1:05:00

of that album, Jimmy Iovine. After

1:05:02

that, she's going to dip back into the

1:05:04

Eagles and date Joe Walsh for a

1:05:06

little while. Wow. She's not

1:05:09

done with Rock Stars. Flying high, wasn't

1:05:11

she? She dates Dave Stewart too. From

1:05:13

the Eurythmics. From the Eurythmics in the

1:05:15

80s. Interesting. She'll also date Paul Fishkin,

1:05:17

who's the executive who sort of founded

1:05:20

Motown Records. Wow. Rupert Hein as well.

1:05:22

80s is a busy time. So

1:05:25

yeah, okay. So when she says don't date

1:05:27

Rock Stars, she knows what she's talking about.

1:05:29

She ain't lying. She's telling you. She's telling

1:05:31

you. I've dated all of them. It didn't

1:05:34

work out. I can categorically state.

1:05:37

Don't date Rock Stars. It doesn't end well. You

1:05:39

can try just keep going through them. So

1:05:44

definitely Stevie's had some tough

1:05:46

times dealing with some substance

1:05:48

misuse, dependency, as well as

1:05:50

getting clean and claiming

1:05:52

what is her best life. She's

1:05:54

always writing. She's always writing new

1:05:56

music. Her vitality is unparalleled. She

1:05:59

never stops working. And she's very

1:06:01

good to herself. Seriously, her self-care

1:06:04

is top-notch. Her

1:06:07

self-care is so good that she has

1:06:09

Yorkshire's who wear cashmere too. Because

1:06:12

that's how Stevie Nicks rolls. She

1:06:14

is living her best life and so

1:06:16

are her dogs. Her dogs were cashmere

1:06:19

sweaters. Yeah, I'm there for that. Ruby,

1:06:22

do we need to upgrade your shirt

1:06:24

selection? Nobody tells Stevie

1:06:26

Nicks what to do. Or her dog. I

1:06:29

believe that's true. Oh my gosh, Stevie writes every

1:06:31

day. She has been writing every day since she was

1:06:34

a teenager and I love this so much. She's

1:06:36

like, at the end of every day, I write down what happens

1:06:39

to me at the end of every day. Not like

1:06:41

every detail, but it's so easy to

1:06:44

forget the daily moments that make up

1:06:46

our lives. You can forget

1:06:48

anything and everything. You can forget the most

1:06:50

magical moments of your life if you don't

1:06:53

write them down. She's

1:06:56

just a prolific writer. Dreamy

1:07:00

and so clear-eyed as well. We

1:07:04

continue to find out more and more about

1:07:06

Stevie Nicks and I'm here for that.

1:07:09

She was asked, why haven't you ever written a book?

1:07:12

I love her answer here. Stevie

1:07:14

says, because I wouldn't be able to tell

1:07:16

the whole truth. The world is not ready

1:07:18

for my memoir. I guarantee you. All

1:07:22

of the men I hung out with are on their

1:07:24

third wives by now and the wives are

1:07:26

all under 30. If I were

1:07:29

to write what really happened between 1972 and

1:07:32

now, a lot of people would

1:07:34

be very angry with me. It'll

1:07:36

happen someday, just not for a very long

1:07:38

time. I won't write a book until everybody

1:07:40

is so old they no longer care. She

1:07:44

will go on to add that she is loyal to

1:07:46

a fault. I have a certain loyalty to these people

1:07:49

that I love because I do love them and I

1:07:51

will always love them. I cannot

1:07:53

throw any of them under the bus until

1:07:55

I absolutely know that they will not care.

1:08:01

She's a class act. We're

1:08:03

gonna do a whole Stevie spinning around

1:08:05

side episode this week on Patreon.

1:08:07

There's so much more to talk

1:08:10

about. That is essentially

1:08:12

the narrative of Stevie Nicks, not at all

1:08:14

trashy divorce. Naria trash

1:08:17

can in sight for that one, but on

1:08:19

the other hand, the supremely trashy

1:08:21

relationship with Lindsay Buckingham.

1:08:24

Yeah. No,

1:08:27

you came in last night into my office and

1:08:29

were like, hey, I need you to go to

1:08:31

YouTube and look up Rhiannon for like

1:08:33

a particular show. Have you seen me twirl? Perhaps

1:08:36

you don't know I took ballet lessons. This

1:08:39

was like one of their first live

1:08:42

shows. Anyway,

1:08:44

I didn't get 60 seconds into it before I had

1:08:46

to stop and just be like, you know what surprises

1:08:48

me is that Stevie Nicks was

1:08:50

not even more famous than she's

1:08:52

been. Well that's

1:08:54

the thing. Fleetwood Mac oozes.

1:08:57

She's just eminently watchable.

1:09:00

Fleetwood Mac gets together right

1:09:02

74 and then they make their Fleetwood

1:09:05

Mac album their debut and

1:09:07

they tour Mick. Let's all stay in

1:09:09

the same beach house and right.

1:09:13

We'll do everything with our coworkers, which you

1:09:15

wonder why rumors happen. The

1:09:20

premiere, the first time the

1:09:22

world sees Stevie Nicks. It

1:09:25

is on a show called

1:09:27

Midnight Special and

1:09:30

it airs on the weekend at midnight.

1:09:32

So you've got a bunch of drunk

1:09:34

people, a bunch of high people who

1:09:36

have only heard Fleetwood Mac both on

1:09:38

AM and FM. They're kind

1:09:40

of a crossover. They're playing both

1:09:42

ends of the radio dials.

1:09:45

So people have heard Stevie

1:09:48

Nicks but nobody's ever seen Stevie

1:09:50

Nicks and here she comes out.

1:09:53

We've got a follow up on this. Rhiannon is just, Stevie

1:09:56

Nicks is a goddess. She's

1:09:59

definitely a witchy woman and I'm

1:10:01

so thankful to share a world with her.

1:10:03

That same here. I'm

1:10:05

proud of Stevie for getting out of

1:10:07

that toxic first relationship like

1:10:09

you don't know until you do and

1:10:12

then you decide that you may be

1:10:14

worth more than supporting your musician

1:10:16

boyfriend and lifting

1:10:18

the entire load financially and

1:10:20

emotionally. So Stevie

1:10:23

Nicks, sorry not

1:10:26

sorry. Halos. All

1:10:28

the shiny shiny halos. I'm giving

1:10:30

Lindsay Buckingham unlimited trash comb filled

1:10:33

with the remnants of

1:10:35

crochet that Stevie Nicks has

1:10:37

left behind when she dusted him

1:10:39

like the gold dust woman

1:10:42

that she is. Did

1:10:44

she shadow your illusions of love Lindsay? Get

1:10:47

over it. It's been 50 damn years.

1:10:49

Put on some pants. Has

1:10:53

Fleetwood Mac let him back in the band yet?

1:10:55

Nope. He's still out. Yikes. I

1:10:58

don't think he's coming back. Probably not.

1:11:00

I don't think he's invited. I

1:11:02

think Mick Fleetwood is the boss

1:11:05

who genuinely believes it when he

1:11:08

tells you this workplace is like

1:11:10

a family. He doesn't believe

1:11:12

it. And then can't figure out why

1:11:14

everything goes to hell. Quite

1:11:18

the people manager that Mick Fleetwood. Seven

1:11:20

miles of cocaine. Whoo. Halos.

1:11:22

Trash cans. No

1:11:25

pants. Holy

1:11:27

cats and wowza. I mean

1:11:29

what 2024

1:11:31

looks like against our younger selves but

1:11:34

Stacey weren't we a hoot? So young.

1:11:36

So much less gray in my hair.

1:11:38

My hair too. Hey my

1:11:40

big takeaways going back and listening

1:11:42

to these to edit them to put them out. How

1:11:45

much of these musical

1:11:47

repetitions and themes are living within

1:11:50

my girl Taylor Swift's tortured poets

1:11:52

department? It's a lot.

1:11:54

I'll be manifesting that one out over

1:11:56

for a Patreon audience after this episode

1:11:58

when hopefully we have have a new but

1:12:01

old car. And no car payment.

1:12:04

That's been the sticking point for us.

1:12:06

What a mess. I feel that we

1:12:08

soon must be manifesting to the flip

1:12:10

side. We gotta be coming close. Speaking

1:12:13

of the flip side, we're gonna be back this

1:12:15

weekend with a brand new trashy divorces coming

1:12:17

your way. Between now and

1:12:19

then, if you like what we did here from

1:12:21

many moons ago, you may wanna check out our

1:12:23

other trashy ventures. We

1:12:25

do go all over the place connected

1:12:28

through trashy. First up, trashy royals, which

1:12:30

is us doing exactly this kind of thing.

1:12:33

And if you're into high society and

1:12:36

Dominic Dunn, my Monday Done and

1:12:38

Done podcast is a thing you may wanna

1:12:40

check out. We are in the divorcing

1:12:42

dodges this week. Quite a bit of

1:12:44

trashy divorces tie in between the

1:12:47

Dodge episodes over the last few weeks. Shall might

1:12:49

like that. And one other place

1:12:51

to hear about Stacey, the thing that

1:12:53

you are probably the most passionate about

1:12:55

in the world. I am fairly passionate

1:12:58

about the American chestnut tree, which was

1:13:00

decimated by chestnut blight. And I got

1:13:02

to hang out with Sam and Allie

1:13:04

at I'm Horrified and share

1:13:06

that story and hopefully how the tree will

1:13:09

return and how the loss of the tree is probably

1:13:11

contributing to a lot of the discontent in America today.

1:13:14

So today on I'm Horrified, you can hear

1:13:16

Stacey. Chestnut blight. Talking about the chestnut blight.

1:13:18

Chestnut blight. It's a thing. It's a sad,

1:13:20

sad thing. It's my favorite

1:13:22

tree tragedy. You

1:13:25

know, not a lot of people have favorite tree tragedies. I know. I'm

1:13:28

special that way. We do things different over

1:13:30

here. Friends, as always, thank you for listening

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1:13:46

maybe we call our new car Stevie. You

1:13:48

don't know. You don't know. Until

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we meet again, friends, thanks again

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for being awesome. Keep

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