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I'm Alicia. Stacey here,

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and I have the best story today.

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One of my very favorite old Hollywood

0:53

legends, Olivia de Havilland.

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Two divorces not necessarily trashy on

0:58

the divorce side, but let me

1:00

tell you about her sister Joan

1:03

Fontaine, her affair with John Huston,

1:05

and Olivia de Havilland

1:07

taking on the Supreme Court

1:10

and winning. Wow. What

1:12

an extraordinary life. We have no

1:14

time to waste, Miss Olivia de Havilland.

1:17

Let's go, go, go. So,

1:25

Alicia, you expressed

1:27

a great deal of sorrow at the passing

1:29

of a renowned actress

1:31

the other day. I did.

1:34

This week with the passing of Olivia

1:36

de Havilland at the well-lived

1:38

age of 104. It's

1:41

pretty remarkable. Pretty

1:43

remarkable. She's a

1:45

badass. I would not be any kind

1:47

of trash candy goddess if I did

1:49

not tell the story of

1:52

Olivia de Havilland. Olivia

1:54

and her sister, Joan,

1:56

Joan Fontaine, have been

1:58

the subject for a sister's story. research

2:00

spiderweb of mine for the longest. But

2:03

the world spins like it does and things switch

2:05

up. So I'm going to

2:08

take the Olivia angle today, as

2:10

she would insist that I should as

2:13

the older sibling. So

2:15

you're saying maybe a bit of a rivalry? Oh, the

2:19

rivalry between Olivia and

2:21

Joan is intense. It

2:23

was intense all the time from Joan's

2:25

birth throughout each of their lives. They're

2:28

the only sisters in history to

2:30

have both won Best Actress

2:32

Oscar Awards. Well, that is quite

2:34

a thing. We're going to

2:37

talk about it. We're also going to

2:39

talk about what a totally badass

2:41

chick Olivia de Havilland was. Two

2:44

marriages, two divorces, two kids,

2:46

49 feature films, five

2:48

Oscar nominations, two wins,

2:51

and for real, a life on her own terms. She's

2:53

a badass. Let's get into it.

2:56

Olivia, born July 1st, 1916. She's

2:59

a cancer girl. Her parents

3:01

are well to do English folk. They

3:04

live in Tokyo. They're embedded

3:06

in the international district. And

3:09

dad is a professor. He's

3:11

also a lawyer for a bunch

3:14

of patent holders. Mom

3:16

was an actress back in England. I

3:21

mean, she's a Victorian lady. So

3:24

actress, she'll train at the Royal

3:26

Academy of Dramatic Arts. Okay. But

3:29

mom has many ambitions, but

3:31

as a proper Victorian lady, you

3:35

don't really get to live all

3:37

your particular dreams. So mom is

3:39

going to give up her career

3:41

dream for marriage and babies. Seems

3:44

like a normal choice one made. But

3:47

maybe like so many other stories that we've

3:49

heard on our trashy

3:52

little podcast, plants all

3:54

of those missed opportunities

3:56

and ambition seeds into

3:58

her daughters. So

4:01

here comes baby Olivia July 1st 1916 and super big

4:03

surprise 15 months later on October 22nd 1917 here

4:06

comes another daughter Joan who's a

4:08

Scorpio. All

4:19

right so a little Irish twin action more or

4:21

less. Joan's born within the

4:23

cusp of drama. Typically,

4:27

Cancers and Scorpios really

4:29

get along. They get each other.

4:31

This is a terrific pairing. But I

4:34

think we are looking here at birth order being

4:37

a more significant factor than

4:40

astrology. And thus

4:42

the rivalry begins. Like

4:45

from this moment. Joan

4:48

will say that it was because

4:50

of the Japanese culture they were in.

4:53

And Olivia was not properly introduced

4:56

to Joan in the major

4:59

Domo style of Japanese

5:01

culture. See, Joan is a

5:04

sickly kid. And so she is

5:06

always put away. And Olivia is

5:08

told like stay away from the baby. So

5:11

the baby's not a play thing.

5:13

Olivia is mad. Kind of the Jones there. From

5:16

15 months onward like intense

5:18

competition. I can imagine there's

5:20

some intense competition for the affections

5:22

of both parents. Because

5:25

their marriage is going South

5:27

quick. OK. Mom wants

5:29

the hell out of Tokyo. Joan

5:31

is sick. There's not the care

5:33

we need to give her here.

5:36

So in 1919, post

5:39

World War I, the family packs

5:41

it on up and they begin to head

5:43

back to England to get kids

5:46

proper medical treatment. And they are

5:48

way late in California on the

5:50

way back over. And hey, San

5:53

Francisco is pretty nice. Let's

5:56

hang here for a minute and get the girls healthy.

5:58

It's a warmer climate. Sunshine. and

6:00

oranges and all that shit. Dad's

6:02

like, I know, I'm gonna go

6:04

on back to Tokyo. So the

6:07

parents are done. Dad goes

6:09

back to Tokyo and

6:11

will, after

6:13

the divorce from mom, marry

6:15

again to the former housekeeper that

6:18

they had in Tokyo. Yeah, hard

6:20

to see why they would've, the

6:24

wife would've wanted to get out

6:26

of Tokyo. So

6:28

now you have divorced mom, two

6:31

kids, two children, two girls, like

6:34

four and three, like they're little.

6:37

They'll move from San Francisco down

6:39

to Saratoga and there's so many

6:42

feelings, all the feelings. Wait,

6:44

Saratoga, New York? California. Yeah,

6:47

it's a suburb of, it's like a

6:49

fancy-tancy suburb of San

6:52

Francisco, Saratoga. Okay. It's

6:54

like the Aiken Winter Colony. All right. It's

6:57

fancy. They stay in

6:59

Saratoga, California. Okay. And

7:02

mom is super determined that her girls

7:04

are gonna be all proper like. Like

7:07

she was rat-a-trained,

7:09

right? Joan

7:11

will say their mom was concerned

7:14

with any possibility of

7:16

sloppy speech from the two of

7:18

them. So Olivia and Joan

7:21

were made to recite Shakespeare from the

7:23

time that they could read and

7:25

they had to do it properly. If they did

7:28

not do it properly, their knuckles would get wrapped

7:30

if they slurred or mispronounced

7:33

words or cadence. They're

7:36

taking ballet lessons from about the

7:39

age of five, piano lessons, singing

7:41

lessons, French lessons too. Joan

7:44

will say later in life, all

7:46

of this made she and Olivia

7:48

perfect equipment for their careers,

7:50

right? Mom also

7:53

will reveal to Olivia later that

7:55

she may have actually been professional

7:58

acting and her best performance.

8:00

performance may have been in Tokyo

8:02

for the visiting Duke of Knaats. Olivia

8:06

will say, "...Mummy never told

8:08

me until much later. She

8:10

didn't want me to know she had actually

8:12

worked professionally, as opposed to the amateur

8:14

theatricals I had been aware of." Because

8:16

the amateur acting is fine, but

8:19

professional acting is, you're a

8:21

fallen woman. Olivia

8:24

goes on, "...When I was five, I

8:26

discovered a secret box that contained

8:28

Mummy's stage makeup. It

8:31

was like finding buried treasure. I

8:33

tried the rouge, the eyeshadow, the lipstick,

8:36

but I couldn't get the rouge off. Mummy

8:38

spanked me terribly. Never

8:40

do this again, she yelled at me

8:43

and ordered me never to tell my

8:45

sister." Joan

8:47

feels like mom loves Olivia more. Olivia

8:51

resents the attention she's

8:53

lost for mom that's given to

8:55

Joan. They slap each

8:57

other. Healthy. They fight

9:00

a lot. Olivia gets

9:02

mad that Joan is getting

9:04

her clothes hand-me-downs. So

9:07

Olivia will cut them up into

9:09

pieces before Joan can get them,

9:12

leaving Joan to learn a new

9:14

skill of domestic abilities and learn

9:16

how to sew. This

9:18

is where the stories diverge, okay?

9:21

Because Olivia says before the

9:23

acting feud, they were affectionate

9:25

and loving. Olivia

9:28

will recount how she adored playing Big

9:30

Sister. Joan would climb

9:32

into the bed with her and put her

9:34

little head on my shoulder and ask me

9:36

to tell her a story. And

9:38

Olivia would tell fairy tales

9:40

about rabbits and other creatures

9:42

and Joan loved them.

9:45

And Joan gets the first view

9:48

of Olivia's talent, right?

9:51

Apparently her animal imitations are

9:53

a big thing. They continue throughout her life.

9:57

Olivia will say this is such a tender little story like I had

9:59

done I don't know if I'm with this. Joan

10:01

was so sick and depressed. The thing she

10:03

loved most was her patent leather cat, which

10:06

somehow lost its voice. When

10:08

you squeezed, it used to meow, but it

10:11

broke. So I began

10:13

meowing when Joan squeezed the cat.

10:16

And she loved it and it got

10:18

better. She was so darling with these

10:20

adorable freckles on her nose and a

10:22

duct tail of blonde hair cute as

10:24

a button. I loved her so

10:26

much as a child. And

10:28

then we grew up. No, well, apparently

10:30

the seeds are, if the

10:33

seeds hadn't already been planted with birth order,

10:35

the seeds are planted here because Olivia and

10:37

Joan are taking private art lessons and

10:39

the teacher has a pool in

10:41

their backyard. And one day on break,

10:44

Joan, who's playing in the pool,

10:47

she's five, calls over

10:49

Olivia, grabs her by the

10:51

ankle and tries to pull her in the water.

10:54

Olivia says she had

10:56

never been rambunctious like that before. So

10:58

it took me completely unaware. Olivia

11:01

is stronger than Joan. So Joan,

11:05

instead of pulling Olivia into

11:07

the pool, Joan

11:09

ends up chipping her own collarbone

11:11

on the pool ledge and has

11:13

to wear a cast. Olivia

11:16

gets punished for that. Not

11:19

Joan for trying to murder her sister,

11:22

but Olivia gets punished because Joan got

11:24

hurt in her attempts

11:26

to murder Olivia. There was

11:29

some light roughhousing and

11:31

a fairly normal kind

11:33

of injury that might happen from a

11:35

little roughhousing happened. Right. Right. And instead

11:37

of both of the kids being in

11:39

trouble for roughhousing. Olivia

11:42

says this is when it starts.

11:46

Now, Joan in her memoir says

11:48

this story

11:50

takes place 10

11:53

years later when they're teenagers. I was

11:56

gonna say that that's awful. Like five

11:58

and six just seems like a very. early

12:00

age to begin not

12:02

forgiving people for minor

12:04

infractions. You'd like to think so. But there's

12:06

this fantastic little story in Life Magazine in

12:08

1942. This

12:11

is the year of the sisters

12:13

competing for the Oscar, 1942. That's

12:17

that year. This life

12:19

profile quote, at the age of nine,

12:21

Joan decided she would kill her sister. She

12:24

thought it all out very carefully. She

12:27

would let Olivia hit her once and then again

12:29

in silence. But

12:31

after a third blow, she would plug Olivia between

12:33

the eyes. Joan would

12:35

plead self-defense and that would be the end

12:37

of Olivia as her problem.

12:41

Plug as in like shoot? Possibly.

12:43

I don't know. Okay.

12:46

Like Joan wants to kill Olivia. Mm-hmm. Okay.

12:49

That's normal. So mom- Good

12:51

stuff. No, this is where I'm really intrigued

12:53

because mom continues to pit them together in

12:56

this weird sort of, they're always

12:59

competing. Mom is not happy.

13:02

Mom has fighting girls. Things

13:04

are going pretty shitty. So

13:06

let's go ahead and throw some fuel into the

13:08

fire. Mama's gonna hook up

13:10

with this dude. He owns a department

13:13

store and Saratoga. His name is

13:15

George Fontaine. Mom

13:17

and George are gonna get married in 1925. Olivia's

13:21

eight, Joan's seven. Give or

13:23

take some months. But stepdad is

13:25

a dick. He is a super dick.

13:28

He is strict. He is harsh. He's mean.

13:31

They, oh God. Olivia

13:34

calls him the Iron Duke and

13:36

he likes to beat them. He'll

13:39

give them a choice of punishments. So

13:41

you can have a tablespoon of cod liver oil,

13:43

which will make you throw up. You

13:45

can get whacked on your shins with the wooden

13:48

clothes hanger. One time

13:50

Olivia has 22 bruises

13:52

on her legs and

13:55

the school intervenes. Well,

13:57

to the stepdad. Like, you need to

13:59

see. cease and desist. He does not

14:01

cease and desist. And

14:04

Olivia and Joan, instead of pairing

14:06

together to defeat the

14:09

Iron Duke, competitive,

14:11

go against each other. So

14:14

they'll provoke each other to

14:16

getting into trouble just like the pool thing.

14:18

I'm gonna provoke you and get

14:20

you punished for something I do. Okay.

14:23

There's some attempts to run away from both of

14:25

them. Mom is pretty

14:27

sick most of the time and hospitalized.

14:30

So here Dickhead abusive stepdad

14:32

has two troubled teens

14:34

in his home and he isn't

14:37

helping anything at all. So this

14:39

is where Olivia de Havilland kind

14:41

of begins her streak of I'll

14:43

do it myself thanks. So

14:45

she's gonna disobey stepdad and

14:48

joins the cast of a school play.

14:51

Stepdad finds out and he

14:53

gives her an ultimatum thinking always

14:56

give your kids an ultimatum because it's

14:58

gonna go exactly the way you think

15:00

it's gonna go. It always does. Always

15:02

does. You need to

15:04

quit the play or leave the

15:06

house forever. Olivia de Havilland is

15:08

16 and she's like, bye bye.

15:10

You'd never ask. 22 bruises asshole.

15:12

See ya. Yeah, she's out. So

15:15

she's living on her own. And

15:17

Joan is like a year

15:19

younger but Joan's like cool. I wasn't

15:23

aware that was something a person

15:25

could do because I'm out of

15:27

here too. So Joan takes off to live

15:29

with dad and new

15:32

wife in Tokyo. Seriously? Wow.

15:35

So there's a lot happening in the family

15:37

dynamic. Okay, so Livy's out. She's

15:40

gonna finish high school anyway. She's

15:42

gonna do so well in high school

15:44

that she gets a scholarship to Mills

15:46

College which is like the

15:49

Ivy League of the West Coast for

15:51

Girls, right? Like whatever

15:53

ass face stepdad. I don't need you.

15:55

I'll do it myself. Thanks.

15:58

She's gonna go to college. She's gonna train. to be

16:00

a teacher, which is your career of choice. Well,

16:03

if you're a woman and you wanted a

16:05

career. Okay. Awesome. But, uh,

16:07

what was the nursing school all full up?

16:12

But Olivia to Haviland doesn't get an

16:14

Oscar for being teacher of the year.

16:16

What happens? Right. We

16:19

will answer all of these questions and more

16:21

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by Real Fan Posts. Which

17:29

is awesome. She likes

17:31

to do amateur theatricals, right?

17:35

And this season, the company in Saratoga

17:37

is producing a Midsummer Night's Dream. And

17:40

Olivia is cast as Hermia.

17:43

Awesome. She's delightful. And

17:46

one night during the run

17:48

of that local community theater,

17:51

the assistant to Max Reinhardt,

17:54

legendary director producer is in the

17:56

audience. An assistant man dude

17:59

is like, what? But

20:00

Olivia is like about to be a big star

20:02

and that's not gonna work for Joni. Joan

20:06

returns from Tokyo, finds

20:08

her sister about to

20:11

be a movie star and

20:13

Joan is like, uh, nobody

20:16

and Olivia is

20:18

like, Joan, you're a kid, go

20:21

to finishing school. You're a society

20:23

lady, not an actress. Like, you're

20:25

gonna be so great being a

20:27

society broad in San Francisco I'm

20:30

gonna leave that to you. That's your place.

20:33

My place is here in Hollywood as

20:35

a famous actress and Joan

20:38

is like, nobody, I'm

20:40

gonna do what you're doing. So

20:42

Olivia, oh my god, is doing

20:46

great. Things are about to really break

20:48

out for her. Mom is living

20:50

with Olivia and Joan moves

20:53

in too. Joan

20:55

gets a little resentful cuz she's,

20:57

you know, chauffeuring Olivia around. Wait,

20:59

so did mom ditch Dickhead

21:03

stepdad? To come and momager Olivia. Yeah,

21:05

even though Olivia will say like my

21:08

mom didn't manage me but yeah, mom

21:10

came down and lived with Olivia and Joan

21:12

in the early part of her career. Mm-hmm

21:16

Okay, Joan moves in to

21:18

help Olivia and

21:21

Joan is like wanting to make

21:23

her own career now cuz she wants

21:25

to be an actress too. Joan

21:27

said no, thanks. I don't want your tuition

21:29

money Olivia to go to a proper school. I

21:32

want to beat you. Now Olivia

21:34

has claimed to Haviland as her acting

21:37

name and Olivia is like, oh hell

21:39

no. You're not gonna take

21:41

the name to Haviland and you're not gonna work for

21:43

Warner Brothers. I'm not sharing my studio with

21:45

you. And Joan, Scorpio

21:47

is like, okay, I'll do it my own

21:49

way. So Olivia

21:51

is breaking out in

21:54

films beginning in 1935 with Warner

21:57

Brothers new star Errol Flynn. She

22:00

is his love interest in nine films.

22:03

Nine. And these are like the Independence

22:06

Day Armageddon. These are the summer

22:09

blockbusters. They're swashbucklers.

22:12

They're production out the hilt. And

22:15

their chemistry is super intense. Like

22:18

they flirt. Like they have a thing

22:20

on screen and it's no wonder she

22:22

gets cast in nine of these films

22:24

because they're magnetic. But Errol

22:27

Flynn is married. And Olivia

22:29

thinks he's super sexy and everything, but

22:31

she refuses to be the other woman.

22:34

Not gonna happen. It almost

22:36

happens in 1937 after three years of this intense. Right,

22:41

right, right. Because

22:43

Errol Flynn is finally separated from his

22:46

wife and Olivia and Errol have a

22:48

romantic night at the Coconut

22:50

Grove Lounge and she's like,

22:52

it's great that you're separated, but you really

22:54

need to get divorced for this to happen.

22:56

And he will not. Errol Flynn will reunite

22:58

with his wife leaving Olivia

23:01

to Haviland single and ready for

23:03

something. It

23:06

appears the 98 pound

23:09

Olivia to Haviland by

23:11

this point is also probably suffering from

23:13

anorexia, even though nobody called it that

23:15

then. But she's

23:17

busy and she's tired because she's worked on stop

23:20

and she's in the Hollywood system and mom

23:22

is like, Olivia, you need a break. Let's

23:24

go to England. Everyone

23:27

will stay behind because

23:29

Joan has somehow talked

23:31

her way into a role on

23:33

George Kooker's The Women. Mom

23:36

and Olivia will sail on the Normandy. This

23:38

is supposed to be a vacay, but Jack

23:40

Warner, who is a total dickhead, tells

23:43

the press because Errol

23:46

Flynn and Olivia to Haviland have

23:48

starred in the adventures of Robin

23:50

Hood and it's about to be

23:52

released. Gotcha. Okay. So

23:55

Jack Warner lets the British press know

23:58

and they are waiting at the Docks,

24:00

Olivia hides in the

24:02

bathroom. She

24:05

and mom take their vacay, they go to plays,

24:07

they visit Stratford upon Avon. Olivia

24:10

will eventually end up giving in to

24:12

Jack Warner and the media. She does

24:14

this press junk at day, one day

24:16

at the Savoy. But she

24:18

returns to America, still 98 pounds,

24:21

but rested and ready for her

24:23

next adventure. Okay. Just

24:26

spiderwebs. So

24:29

she gets back and one night there's this party at

24:31

the home of one of her former boyfriends.

24:33

He's a British actor. He's also a pilot.

24:35

His name is Brian Ahern. Olivia

24:38

takes Joan to the party. At

24:40

the party there's also a fortune teller who

24:43

tells Joan that she

24:45

will find her huge success

24:48

if she has a name that is eight letters

24:51

long and begins with an F. And

24:54

there's Fontaine. Stepdad's

24:56

name. So Joan Fontaine has

24:59

her new acting

25:01

name. The fortune

25:03

teller will also predict that Joan will

25:05

marry the host of the party, which

25:08

she does. She marries Brian Ahern

25:10

in 1939, Olivia's ex-boyfriend, who is

25:12

15 years older than her. Because

25:17

that's a surefire way to get to my

25:20

sister, huh? Dude,

25:23

it is always... She got married first? Like

25:26

there's this famous line that she has about,

25:30

I got married first, I had the first kid. If

25:33

I die first, she'll be jealous of that too. We'll

25:36

talk about it. Oh my god. Okay.

25:39

It's always a competition. And Joan right

25:41

now sees herself as winning in the

25:43

sister game. Joan

25:45

has wormed her way on to

25:47

the women. Joan will also

25:49

go on the following year to

25:52

be cast in Rebecca, which

25:54

is a magnificent movie. Joan

25:57

will also go on to say that because she was cast in Rebecca, she

25:59

was cast in Rebecca. in Rebecca, she

26:02

graciously offered the part of

26:04

Melanie Wilkes and gone with the wind

26:06

to her sister Olivia as

26:08

the cast off. I'm

26:10

cast, you can't have me, but would

26:12

my sister do? Right, I'm very busy.

26:15

The truth is, have you heard about my

26:17

sister Olivia? Yeah, the

26:20

truth is a little more complicated. I'm

26:22

sure. Yeah. Olivia is under contract

26:24

with Warner Brothers, and Jack Warner, as we have

26:26

already seen, is not the greatest guy in the

26:28

world, and he's not gonna let her out

26:31

of playing the love interest to Errol Flynn and

26:33

the block, I mean, that's

26:35

bankable guaranteed money, right?

26:38

But Olivia de Havilland is like, I can

26:42

do more than this kind of role. I'm

26:44

an actress, and all I'm,

26:47

like, this is a waste of my

26:49

time. I'm not being used to

26:51

my potential. There's some

26:53

behind the scenes things where

26:56

Olivia will end up inviting Jack

26:58

Warner's wife Anne out to the

27:00

Brown Derby for tea, and there's

27:03

some lady finagling, and then

27:06

there's a horse trade with

27:09

Jimmy Stewart getting

27:11

lent to Warner Brothers in

27:14

return for Olivia getting

27:16

lent to David

27:18

O'Celznick for Gone with

27:20

the Wind. So

27:23

yes, it was more complicated then. Way

27:26

more complicated. So

27:28

Olivia takes the character of Melanie

27:30

Wilkes. He was kind

27:32

of a, like, what

27:34

could totally be a rotten character and

27:37

turns Melanie Wilkes into a

27:40

thing of beauty and deservedly gets

27:42

the best supporting actress nod, along

27:45

with most of the cast and crew for

27:47

the cinematic achievement that Gone with the Wind is.

27:50

Olivia will lose that best supporting actress

27:52

Oscar to her co-star Hattie McDaniel, first

27:55

black actress to receive an Oscar great

27:57

for Hattie. Sad for Olivia. until

28:00

two weeks after just

28:02

abject misery about losing,

28:05

Olivia wakes up and she has an epiphany.

28:08

Quote, My whole perspective

28:10

changed. I realized why it

28:12

was destined that I lose. I

28:15

was nominated as Best Supporting Actress,

28:18

but that was the wrong category.

28:20

I wasn't supporting,

28:23

I was the star

28:25

too. That was just deployed by

28:28

David on behalf of Vivian. Hattie was supporting,

28:30

but she was the best. Plus,

28:32

it was wonderful that she should win. Once

28:35

I understood the system, I didn't feel

28:37

horrible at all. There was

28:39

a God after all. Unquote.

28:43

Olivia's like, I'm not supporting. I'm

28:46

an, I'm Best Actress. Wow.

28:49

Yeah. I guess that's one way to, I

28:51

guess having a little psychotic break there is

28:53

a fine way to get over your misery about

28:56

not winning. Okay. Okay. I am

28:58

glossing over the Gone with the Wind part

29:00

because this would take over the

29:02

entire episode. I started

29:04

this week actually intending on

29:07

telling y'all about the trashy

29:09

divorce of Irene Selznick

29:11

and David O. Selznick, which has all the Gone

29:14

with the Wind stuff in there. So

29:17

it's not forgotten. Don't tell me all your fun

29:19

Gone with the Wind facts. They're coming.

29:21

It's a much more interesting

29:23

story. I think that fits along in

29:26

the Selznick narrative better. I'm

29:28

not ignoring it. I'm not ignoring your

29:30

plane of cries for trash. It

29:32

just doesn't belong in the story. Okay. So

29:35

Olivia, happy for Hattie. We'll

29:37

go on to forget

29:40

the supporting nonsense. It

29:42

is Best Actress or Nothing. So

29:45

here she's got star treatment with Selznick

29:47

and Gone with the Wind and heads back

29:49

to Warner Brothers and they're giving her the

29:51

same shitty roles that she

29:53

had before. A few other

29:55

things to mention here. 1938 Olivia

29:57

de Havilland has a new boyfriend. Your

30:00

favorite guy, he of

30:02

the jewelry tray. Oh. Howard

30:04

Hughes, who has been super

30:07

dumped. I was like Rudy Giuliani?

30:12

The man with the jewels. He

30:14

has been super dumped by Catherine Hepburn. And

30:16

he's kind of lonely. Olivia

30:18

sees Howard dancing with Dolores Del

30:21

Rio at the Trocadero one night

30:23

and like swoons. Maybe

30:26

she just sees the jewelry tray. I

30:28

don't know. It's probably the jewelry tray. But Howard

30:30

Hughes likes him classy and he's just

30:32

been dumped by Catherine of Arrogant. So

30:34

he's gonna wine and dine Olivia for

30:37

like a hot minute. Olivia also

30:40

is gonna date a

30:42

pilot named James Stewart,

30:44

not the actor Jimmy Stewart. Totally different

30:46

James Stewart. James Stewart will

30:49

propose marriage and she's like, no, I'm

30:51

not ready to settle down. I'm good.

30:54

He gets shipped off to war. That love

30:56

affair is over. She and Howard fizzle out

30:59

not before she becomes a

31:01

certified pilot though. Interesting.

31:03

That's fun. Okay. Oh,

31:05

so she flew away. Okay. With

31:09

Oliver Jewells. Now

31:12

Olivia is going to begin now

31:15

a love affair with John Houston

31:17

who is terribly

31:19

married and for Olivia

31:21

not wanting to be the other woman with

31:23

Errol Flynn all those years ago. She

31:26

is totally about to be with

31:29

John Houston. She says

31:31

he was the love of her life. John

31:33

Houston is a Leo man August

31:36

5th. He is 10 years older

31:38

than Olivia. He is directing

31:40

a movie that she is starring in along

31:42

with Betty Davis called In

31:44

This Our Life and

31:46

wow, Olivia is

31:49

getting all the

31:51

good camera angles and Betty

31:53

Davis is really really mad

31:55

about to where there is

31:57

a conference Olivia and Betty.

32:00

are both shown the dailies and

32:02

John Huston has to reshoot parts

32:05

of the movie. Wow. Because

32:07

that's how awesome Olivia looks

32:09

and how rotten it was like

32:11

ruining the film, his infatuation with

32:13

Olivia de Havilland. Right. Don't

32:17

know if you've heard about John Huston, he

32:19

is a notorious womanizer. And

32:22

Olivia de Havilland, in

32:24

the famous words of all women,

32:26

those four famous words, I

32:28

can fix him. Got it. The

32:31

trick with John Huston is you don't like him too

32:33

much. If he's

32:35

chasing you, he needs that chase.

32:39

He has to have the chase. You can't like

32:41

him too much. If you like him too much, he

32:43

didn't like you. It's bored, yeah. Olivia

32:46

de Havilland is wrapped.

32:49

Like head over heels. Oh no. She

32:51

does not make the chase very hard. This

32:54

is the dude that she wants to marry.

32:57

She won't marry him, but it's not for lack of

32:59

trying. There's a lot happening

33:01

in 1941. Remember,

33:03

both Olivia and Joan were

33:06

big in movies that year. Joan,

33:09

after Rebecca, will go on to start

33:11

another Hitchcock film, Suspicion. Olivia

33:13

has done a movie called Hold Back the Dawn.

33:16

So just know that's brewing in the background.

33:19

Also, Olivia is filming This Is Our Life. This

33:21

is with Bette Davis. They're

33:23

playing sisters. This is the

33:27

film right where John

33:29

Huston is head over heels in love with Olivia and giving

33:31

her all the good shots. They're

33:33

both made to bring in the dailies

33:36

and they hate

33:38

each other. Bette is already

33:40

not a fan. Olivia really admires

33:43

Bette Davis. Bette Davis is like,

33:45

what are you doing? You peasant.

33:48

Nothing. The

33:50

studio is like, John Huston, you need to

33:52

work this out. John Huston goes to Bette

33:55

Davis and he's like,

33:57

Hey, you know, all of

33:59

that unrequited. love you have for

34:01

William Wyler because he's married too

34:03

and you love him so much

34:06

and it's an impossible situation. That's

34:09

just the way that Olivia loves me.

34:12

I'm married and it's an impossible situation

34:14

and it turns out that you two

34:17

are two dames on

34:19

the same sea on the same ship.

34:22

Apparently this nonsense works because

34:25

Olivia and Bette Davis become good

34:27

friends. They're gonna appear together again

34:29

in this film in 1964 called

34:32

Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte as sisters again

34:34

and it is as close to a

34:36

horror film without being a horror film.

34:38

It is excellent. It

34:41

plays on, it's very

34:44

Dexter like. Okay. Okay, cuz

34:46

you know like it has that

34:48

same kind of psychological effect.

34:50

It's a really good film. Not,

34:52

that's 20 years down

34:55

the road. Okay. 1941, both

34:59

Joan, first suspicion and Olivia,

35:01

four hold back to Don, nominated

35:04

for best actress Oscar. So

35:07

let's get to the Oscar

35:09

Awards, February 1942 and it

35:12

is awkward enough. Two sisters

35:14

nominated for best actress but

35:17

there's John Huston in the audience

35:20

sitting with his wife, Leslie

35:22

Black, who's making googly

35:24

eyes and blowing kisses at

35:27

Olivia de Havilland the whole time. Awkward.

35:31

Not classy, dude. Okay,

35:33

which gets the press riled up in the

35:36

second place because they're already riled up

35:38

with all the sister rivalry. Olivia

35:41

and John Huston are like the

35:43

worst kept secret in Hollywood. Everybody

35:45

knows they're doing it and similar

35:47

to Douglas

35:49

Fairbanks and Mary Pickford. The

35:52

press roots for them, right? Well, of course they

35:54

should be together. So the press is like, well,

35:56

of course Olivia is gonna be the next Mrs.

35:58

John Huston as soon as... this one gets

36:00

out of the way. Don't blow

36:02

kisses at your mistress at the Oscars,

36:04

dude. No. Okay. So,

36:07

Joan and Olivia both nominated for Best

36:09

Actress sitting at the same table. Olivia,

36:12

who has dreamed since her

36:15

defeat of Best Supporting Act, it's

36:17

not Best Supporting I Am. Right.

36:20

I'm Best Actress. She's convinced she's going to

36:22

win this year, but she does not. Joan wins. And

36:26

Olivia is so excited at the table. She

36:29

claps and she says, we got it.

36:31

Oh, God. When she's excited for her

36:33

sister, Joan ignores

36:36

her. Or at

36:38

least that's what the press captures.

36:40

Right. In photos. It's a

36:43

total and complete snub from Joan

36:45

to Olivia, which only throws

36:48

fuel on the sister feud. Sure.

36:51

Okay. Well, because Joan's been fantasizing

36:53

about murdering her sister since- Pretty much since Child. Since

36:56

Child. Okay. Joan will later say

36:58

that she was paralyzed. She had paralysis. She

37:00

didn't think she was going to win. I

37:03

never saw her. Like the room went- I

37:06

didn't see her. It was not an

37:08

intentional snub. It could be true. I'm

37:10

sure that's a really weird moment. Is

37:13

I have not won an Academy Award yet? I

37:15

don't know for sure. But

37:17

I bet it's probably weird. Bet it's pretty weird.

37:20

But with the snub and

37:23

the win and it gossip

37:25

call- I mean, you got Lou Ella Parsons. You

37:27

got Hedda Hopper. Like it

37:29

is the trash candy of the day and the

37:31

press is going to make this feud into

37:35

a big thing from here. A

37:38

lot of stuff gets made up. Some

37:40

of it's true, but you have two

37:42

sisters competitive from birth now

37:45

in the same pool of swimmers.

37:48

Yikes on bucks. Okay. Joan

37:50

will say they tried

37:52

to get us in the same picture often, but

37:54

that would have been another Hiroshima. Yikes.

37:58

Another of my favorite. Joan Fontaine

38:00

quotes, She's a lion and

38:02

I am a tigress and they do not get

38:05

along. Joan doesn't do

38:07

herself too many favors in this. Okay,

38:09

so John Huston at this point called off

38:11

to war and Olivia de Havilland is at

38:13

home and, you know, maybe needing something a

38:15

little, you know, to do. Feeling

38:18

cute. Might take on the Supreme

38:20

Court and Warner Brothers later. I

38:22

don't know. Because she does. Yeah,

38:25

you heard that right. Olivia de

38:28

Havilland versus SCOTUS. That

38:30

story coming back after a quick commercial break.

38:33

Olivia de Havilland is so tired of getting

38:35

crap parts. She is

38:37

finally in 1942 coming up on

38:39

her end of the seven year contract that she

38:41

has with Jack Warner and Warner Brothers. And

38:44

remember, Jack Warner has been rotten to her all

38:46

those years. Yeah, of course, you're going to do a

38:48

press junket when you're on vacation. Okay,

38:51

so Olivia has waited for seven years to get

38:53

out from under the thumb of Jack Warner. She

38:56

wants better roles, better parts, better money.

38:59

And she's on her way out the

39:01

door. And Jack Warner is like,

39:03

not so fast there, little lady. Remember

39:06

all those times you turned your little nose up

39:08

at those crap scripts I was offering you? You

39:10

know, because you wanted to control your image in your

39:13

career. And when you turned your

39:15

nose up at it, you decided to be suspended.

39:18

All of those months of suspension

39:20

actually attach onto your contract. Oh,

39:22

God. So I actually

39:25

own you for 24 more weeks. And

39:27

that means you can't negotiate with any other

39:29

studio. Oh, my God. Also,

39:33

these are predatory people. Exactly. Also, here's a

39:35

script of the new movie that I just

39:37

let you out for, because I made a

39:39

shit ton of money on your collateral in

39:42

this deal I made with this other studio,

39:44

but you're not going to see any of

39:46

that money. Olivia, a little

39:48

badassy, cancer girl. She's a

39:51

little mad, but she shows up to

39:53

the shoot with their

39:55

little script. Script's not ready. Maybe

39:57

he's not going to start anywhere close to time, which would put her

40:00

contract back even more. And

40:03

she's like, fuck that. So she goes to

40:05

an attorney. The attorney is

40:07

like, hey, I've looked at all the

40:10

big fat books on my shelf. And

40:12

turns out California law says that a

40:14

contract can only last seven years, calendar

40:17

date to calendar date. There's

40:19

no special add-ons. There's no

40:22

provision for anything different than

40:24

usual. What

40:26

Jack Warner's doing is against the law. It's

40:28

illegal. So Olivia de

40:31

Havilland is going to sue Warner Brothers.

40:33

Now other stars, Bette Davis, Humphrey Bogart

40:35

back in the 30s, tried taking on

40:37

the studio system but never with this

40:39

particular law. They tried

40:41

it in other ways and were defeated

40:43

and just went back into the cycle. Not

40:46

Olivia de Havilland. Olivia

40:48

de Havilland is in court for

40:51

two years. It will go to

40:53

the Supreme Court in a unanimous

40:55

decision from the Supreme Court,

40:57

the thing called the de Havilland law

41:00

is created given her

41:03

name which limits the power of

41:05

studios over their stars. It

41:07

gives stars greater freedom to seek

41:10

projects that they feel suit them and

41:12

sets a precedent for workers not only

41:14

in entertainment and

41:17

acting but also in

41:19

music and in sports.

41:22

Most recently Jared and Shannon

41:24

Lido of 30 seconds to

41:26

Mars sued using the de Havilland

41:28

law and won. Hm. All

41:30

right. Takes on the Supreme Court and

41:32

wins. She's Olivia de Havilland.

41:36

She's a badass, the de Havilland

41:38

law, right? Also

41:40

during this time John Kennedy

41:43

comes back. He's visiting

41:45

Robert Stack after

41:47

his PT-109 cruiser days

41:50

and Olivia de Havilland turns them down. She

41:53

says sorry I gotta rehearse man. Sorry.

41:56

Okay. Olivia

41:58

taking on the Supreme Court. Court

42:00

is super great. Great for

42:02

the future, crappy for then because she's not

42:05

working. She's ousted. She

42:07

gets no roles for like two years. She'll

42:10

screw this. She'll join the USO.

42:12

She'll take off and support the soldiers fighting.

42:14

She's going to get really sick when she's overseas.

42:17

So she is kind of bedridden for a

42:20

few months along the way. She's still longing

42:22

for John Huston. He was also

42:24

in the war effort, essentially sleeping

42:26

his way around the world.

42:33

John Huston will not divorce Leslie Black

42:35

until 1945. Incidentally that same year when

42:39

the war ends, when he has to

42:41

return to her. When he has to return

42:43

to her, he will finally divorce her. Also

42:46

1945 is the year that

42:48

Joan Fontaine's first marriage to Brian

42:50

Ahern falls apart. Okay. Okay. So

42:53

Joan who was winning, I have the

42:55

Oscar, I have the husband. The kids

42:58

and the husband is your ex-boyfriend.

43:01

Right. Olivia is like, um,

43:03

yeah. I have a Supreme

43:06

Court decision. I changed Hollywood

43:08

for everyone and I'm

43:11

just getting started. Okay. After

43:14

the war, Olivia comes on back. She'll get

43:16

a new three picture deal contract. Her life's

43:18

back on track and Olivia

43:20

and John will reunite kind of on

43:22

and off and Olivia just continues to

43:24

kind of wait on the vine for

43:27

him. Like, all right, you're divorced. It's

43:30

definitely time for us to get married. Let me

43:32

chase, chase, chase you. And that

43:34

doesn't work because John Huston goes even dirtier.

43:36

He will get married in the summer of

43:39

1946. But not

43:42

to her. Not to Olivia, but to her

43:44

Gone with the Wind co-star Evelyn Keys who

43:46

played Sue Ellen. Dirty.

43:49

Olivia, brokenhearted,

43:52

big piece of advice. Don't get

43:54

married because rebounding will

43:56

marry the guy that she is dating.

43:59

Now she has husband like a few weeks after they

44:01

get married. She rebounds into marriage.

44:03

This is 1946. This

44:06

guy's name is Marcus Goodrich. He's

44:09

a Texan. He's a Navy vet. He's a

44:11

journalist. He wrote this World

44:13

War I battleship novel called Delilah.

44:16

He's 18 years older than she is. Wow.

44:19

Weird choice, okay. I

44:22

guess I need to be married too. Okay, 1947, year

44:24

after. Olivia

44:28

de Havilland does finally get

44:30

her best actress Oscar for

44:33

To Each His Own. And

44:35

Joan's there. And Joan, for

44:37

the last year since Olivia got

44:39

married, has been badmouthing her all

44:41

over town. Quote, all

44:44

I know about him about Marcus. Quote,

44:46

all I know about him is that he's had

44:48

four wives and written one book. Too

44:50

bad it's not the other way around.

44:53

She's trashing Olivia's husband all over town.

44:57

Joan is seriously a fine one

44:59

to talk because she has remarried

45:02

in 1946 as well to this

45:04

guy named William Dozier, another actor. When

45:08

Olivia wins her award, she

45:11

will snub Joan in that Oscar

45:13

ceremony. I'm certain. Just like that.

45:16

They don't talk for five years

45:18

after that. Olivia and

45:20

Marcus have a kid, Benjamin, in

45:23

1949. And Olivia's like, dude, I've

45:25

been working for a long time. I'm going to step

45:27

away, get out of the limelight. I'm going to be

45:29

a mom for a little while. Stay at

45:32

home, which gives her a ideal

45:34

opportunity to realize that she does

45:36

not like her husband very much

45:38

at all. Wow. Jump

45:41

ahead to 2020 and like

45:45

how many people have discovered that their

45:48

spouse, their children,

45:50

it's all bad.

45:52

Olivia and Marcus divorce by

45:54

1953. Olivia is

45:57

kind of over the States. The

45:59

fifties international. are way more

46:01

exciting than what's going on in

46:03

Eisenhower's America, and I have a lot

46:05

of access. So where should I go? Well first,

46:07

in 1952, as the marriage is

46:11

falling apart, she takes herself and Benjamin

46:14

to France. She's

46:16

a guest at the Cannes Film Festival that year,

46:19

and even before she gets there it's kind

46:21

of a ruffle because she asked the film

46:23

committee for two tickets, and

46:26

they're like, nah dude, we're not

46:28

flying your lover out here. There's plenty of

46:30

sex right here in France. And

46:32

she's like, nah, it's for my kid. And they're

46:34

like, oh, okay. So

46:37

this becomes a

46:39

thing. So she is met by a deluge

46:42

of press when she arrives. She's

46:44

endeared to the French because of

46:47

this, and everybody's

46:49

waiting, all the French press,

46:51

including a Frenchman named

46:53

Pierre Galant, who is the editor

46:55

of Paris Match magazine.

46:57

He's kind of quiet at first. He's

47:00

tagged along with her and her press agent, and

47:02

then eventually Pierre just kind of shamelessly

47:05

goes for it. He's holding her hand in

47:07

the taxi. He's following her around

47:09

France. He'll get invited to

47:11

every party. She gets invited to Elsa

47:14

Maxwell has put together this like

47:17

society cruise in

47:19

the Greek Isles, and Olivia's on that.

47:23

So is Pierre. Pierre is smitten

47:25

kitten, and he's gonna get his girl.

47:28

Here's the fun thing about Pierre Galant as

47:30

well. He is the editor for Paris

47:32

Match. He's also a matchmaker, matchmaker.

47:34

He hooked up Grace Kelly

47:37

and her Monaco Prince and

47:40

connected them for the romance

47:43

of the century. Well,

47:45

matchmaker. All right. Olivia

47:47

and Pierre get married in April 1955. They

47:51

get a five-story home in Paris. She's

47:53

gonna live there till her death. She lives there from

47:55

56 or 58 on to... Last

48:00

week. Pierre and Olivia

48:02

have a daughter Giselle in 1956.

48:06

Olivia loves life in France. She says

48:08

I loved being around real buildings, real

48:11

castles, real churches. Not ones

48:13

made of canvas. There were real

48:15

cobblestones. Somehow the cobblestones

48:17

amazed me and when I would meet

48:19

a prince or a duke, he was

48:22

a real prince, a real duke. Kind

48:24

of a fun thing. Olivia will head back

48:26

to Hollywood in 1957 for this charity ball. She

48:30

realizes she does not miss anything about

48:33

Hollywood. So she goes to

48:35

the gala and there's this creeper, this old

48:38

creeper. Gaunt, his clothes don't

48:40

fit. Just kind of stalking her. And

48:43

she's doing the best she can to talk to

48:45

other people, but this creeper is still creeping on

48:47

her. And

48:50

it was Howard Hughes. No, I'm kidding. There's

48:53

a... Out of nowhere, there's

48:55

a kiss on the back of her neck. And

48:57

it's the creeper. And she turns around

48:59

and she's like, do I know you? And

49:02

he says it's Errol. Oh,

49:04

my God. Olivia says Errol who? How

49:07

many Errols are there in Hollywood? This

49:09

is how like he was that dull

49:13

and lifeless in his eyes.

49:16

So the bell gets

49:18

called for dinner and Errol is like,

49:20

can I escort you to dinner? So

49:22

great. They here comes Robin Hood and

49:24

made Marian all these years later. This

49:28

is Olivia's telling quote. The

49:30

moment we sat down, the table filled up with seven

49:32

or eight beautiful young ladies. Errol

49:34

comes to life and turns on the charm. Olivia

49:37

continues. Somehow I couldn't help myself

49:39

from being increasingly enraged that Errol Flynn was paying

49:41

more attention to the other ladies at the table

49:43

than he was to me. Here

49:46

I was living in Paris, happily married

49:48

to a wonderful Frenchman, two great children.

49:50

Why was I having a fit of

49:52

jealousy over Errol Flynn? They

49:54

barely speak the rest of the night. When

49:56

the thing's over, she says good night. She

49:58

leaves in a cab by. yourself. From

50:01

this point 1957 onward, Olivia

50:03

is only gonna appear in 10 more feature

50:05

films. Flynn will die two years

50:07

after this in 1959 at the age of 50. That's

50:11

how much he doesn't look like himself. 50.

50:15

50. Yeah, I feel like I had read at

50:17

some point that he had a pretty

50:20

rocky life. So

50:23

pretty much. Olivia writes

50:25

a memoir in 1962 called

50:27

Every Frenchman Has One, recounting

50:30

anecdotes of living as a foreigner in

50:33

France. Now here is

50:35

why Olivia de Havilland is a classy broad. She

50:38

and Pierre separate in 1962,

50:41

but they still live together for like

50:43

the next decade to take care of

50:45

their child. They remain good friends.

50:48

Their divorce is not finalized

50:50

until 1979. Wow. So their

50:54

marriage lasts from 55 to 79, which gives them

50:58

three times the longevity of a marriage

51:00

that was really done in seven years.

51:02

Right. She'll take care of him

51:05

when he's ill and die. Like remain

51:07

grand friends, but no. They just

51:09

stay married for 20 years, but

51:11

yeah. Eventually they do end in 1979. There's so

51:14

much trash. Like there's a big

51:16

thing in the 1963

51:21

Oscars where Bette Davis and Joan

51:23

Fontaine are fighting. That's not the

51:25

story for today. Ooh

51:27

1964, Bette and Olivia

51:30

and hush hush sweet Charlotte. God,

51:32

so good. In

51:34

1965, Olivia becomes the

51:36

first woman to helm the jury at

51:38

the Cannes Film Festival. So that's kind

51:40

of exciting. She and

51:42

Joan still talk. Like they

51:45

are, have this written,

51:47

they stopped talking for a few years after those

51:49

1947 Oscars. But once

51:52

Joan splits from William Dozier in 1952,

51:54

which she's gonna do, she and Olivia

51:58

reunite. They visit throughout. the

52:00

50s, they spend Christmas together in 1961. They

52:04

go to this party in 1967 together

52:06

for Marlena D'Aitrich. Great.

52:09

Joan Fontaine says, the public

52:11

takes glee in this. They don't print the

52:14

nice things. We took our dad's ashes into

52:16

the English Channel at Sunset. No one printed

52:18

that time we had together. Olivia

52:21

came to New York and I gave her

52:23

a party. Nobody writes about that. The

52:25

press makes us feud more

52:28

than we really do because it justifies

52:30

their own feelings that a lot of

52:32

families don't get along. We

52:34

are rivals. We are sisters. We are

52:36

competitive, but we are

52:38

sisters. Okay. They're

52:41

still hanging. The feud

52:43

is in the press, not necessarily with

52:45

them until 1975. 1975,

52:47

their mom is ill with terminal cancer. It's

52:53

bad. Olivia wants

52:55

mom to consult doctors and have

52:57

surgery and do everything she can

53:00

to extend her life. And

53:03

mom wants to die. Mom is

53:05

like, I have terminal cancer. I

53:07

want to die. This is my decision. And Joan

53:10

is like, hey, Olivia, this

53:12

is what mom wants to do. So

53:16

around parent care, this

53:18

is where it all sort of comes to a

53:21

head. Mom will

53:23

pass away. Joan is on tour. Olivia

53:26

sends Joan a telegram that never gets to

53:28

Joan. So Joan doesn't find out mom passed

53:30

away until two weeks after mom passed away.

53:32

Oh my God. Olivia

53:34

does not invite Joan to the memorial service for

53:36

mom held at the Saratoga Community

53:39

Theater where Olivia got her start all

53:41

those years ago that is now named

53:43

after mom, by the way. Okay.

53:45

Joan is going to show up at the service anyway.

53:49

It's pretty bad. The feud is

53:51

really, really on now. And

53:55

then in 1978, Joan is

53:57

going to write her book. called

54:00

No Bet of Roses. Olivia

54:03

calls this book No Shred of

54:05

Truth. Joan

54:08

Fontaine is angry and she lets it

54:10

all fly. This is where

54:12

she gives the infamous quote to People

54:14

Magazine during her book presser. You

54:17

can divorce your sister as well as your husband's.

54:19

I don't see her at all and I don't intend to. I

54:22

got married first, got an Academy Award

54:24

first, had a child first. If

54:27

I die, she'll be furious because again, I'll

54:29

have got there first. She

54:33

does die first, yes? She does. Okay.

54:35

She does. Joan

54:38

will say, I regret

54:40

that I remember not one act of kindness

54:43

from Olivia all through my childhood. Olivia

54:45

made up a squeaker sound for your

54:48

patent little leather cat, dude. Like,

54:51

I don't know. Joan will write in Bet

54:53

of Roses, all the animus we felt toward

54:56

each other's children, the hair pullings, the savage

54:58

wrestling matches, the time Olivia

55:00

fractured my collarbone. All

55:02

came rushing back in, kaleidoscopic

55:04

imagery. My paralysis was

55:07

tough. This was about the 42

55:09

Oscars. It's just bad. So

55:11

Joan is giving all these pressers

55:14

trashing Olivia. Olivia is much

55:17

classier about it. Olivia

55:19

will say Joan had a lot of dash

55:22

that men admired immensely because Joan

55:24

is fucking Prince Ali Khan, Adelai

55:26

Stevenson, and Howard

55:29

Hughes. She goes after him

55:31

too, Joan. The

55:33

jewelry tray guy. Olivia

55:36

says, I don't have the flair, dashing style

55:38

of Joan. So,

55:40

no Bet of

55:42

Roses sort of is the final

55:45

break in the two of

55:47

them and they don't talk for near on

55:51

40 years.

55:54

To even where Joan's daughters are mad

55:56

at her because Joan's daughters carry on

55:58

a relationship with Olivia. that's hidden

56:00

to Joan. Olivia famously

56:03

quiet on this subject

56:05

for all of those years. In

56:08

an interview in Vanity Fair

56:11

from 2016, apparently

56:13

they reconnected about

56:17

faith in church. Their paternal

56:19

grandfather was an Anglican priest in

56:22

Guernsey, so they,

56:26

I don't think, I think they

56:28

talked before Joan did pass away,

56:31

which she does in 2013, where Olivia is very sad.

56:37

Olivia says, a feud

56:39

implies continuing hostile conduct

56:41

between two parties. I

56:44

cannot think of a single instance

56:46

wherein I initiated hostile behavior. Sometimes

56:49

I've been defensive. On

56:51

my part, it was always loving, but

56:53

sometimes estranged and in the later years

56:56

severed. Ah, okay.

56:59

What else? Olivia

57:01

de Howland, dude. Livin'

57:04

Livion Rose, happy as an escargot

57:06

in France, man. She

57:09

takes a few more roles. She'll win a Golden Globe in

57:11

1978 for Anastasia,

57:13

the mystery of Anna. She'll

57:16

take a role in Airport 77. Oh,

57:19

both Olivia and Joan are honored at the

57:21

1979 Oscars, but

57:24

they sit on opposite ends

57:26

of the theater. They're nowhere

57:29

close. There's one

57:31

time that Joan Fontaine checks into a hotel and

57:33

finds Olivia's in the suite

57:35

next to hers and demands that

57:37

the room must be changed. 1988,

57:42

Olivia makes her last screen performance, and

57:44

she's in Paris. She writes, like she

57:46

goes out sometimes, but

57:48

she is doing everything she likes

57:51

in the place she likes best

57:53

in the world. Everything's great. She

57:56

will be a presenter in 2003 at the 75th Academy. She

58:01

gets a four-minute standing ovation. French

58:04

love her. They claim her as their own. Sarkozy

58:08

presents her with the Legion to Honor.

58:10

Like, ooh. So

58:13

Ida Lupino, when she dies, she's a famous

58:15

actress. Famous star. Gives

58:18

Olivia de Havilland her teddy bear collection.

58:20

Olivia de Havilland will raffle and sell

58:22

this in

58:25

order to raise funds to restore

58:27

the church. She,

58:30

Olivia has honorary trustees

58:32

and degrees, and

58:35

she's awesome. Olivia

58:37

will attribute her amazingly healthy

58:40

longevity to three

58:43

elves. Love, laughter, and light.

58:46

She did the Times crossword puzzle every day.

58:48

A passion she developed as a

58:50

teenager. Looks at every pain

58:52

or symptom as a mystery to be solved

58:55

and conquered. Not a harbinger of doom. No

58:58

one on Earth is more positive. A

59:00

lot of her precepts for perpetual health

59:02

are those she learned in Campfire Girls,

59:04

where her name was Thunderbird. Olivia

59:07

passed away last week, July 25th, 2020, at the age of

59:10

104. She

59:12

wanted to live to 110. That was her goal. She's

59:15

like, I don't need to write my memoirs yet. It'll

59:18

be the best book anybody's ever written, but

59:20

I don't need to write it yet because I'm gonna live to be 110. Got

59:24

really close, Thunderbird. Got really close. So

59:27

that is the not

59:30

even trashy tale of Olivia de Havilland. It's

59:33

trash candy surrounding her.

59:36

But whoa, class

59:39

beauty changes the Hollywood

59:41

system for everyone. I'll

59:45

do it myself, thanks. She has

59:47

no bad performances. She is a

59:49

wonderful actress. There's

59:52

enduring respect for her work. She's

59:54

the last of a legacy, Olivia

59:56

de Havilland. All right. Sounds

1:00:01

like your sister was kind of a piece of work.

1:00:04

I really did want to focus on Olivia

1:00:06

in this and just bring in Joan where

1:00:09

she was important to the narrative. But

1:00:11

Joan Fontaine is probably a trashy divorces

1:00:14

all on her own. I

1:00:16

think the part that resonates most with me is child

1:00:19

murderer. Leaving America and living out your

1:00:21

life in Europe. Oh,

1:00:25

so Olivia de Havilland becomes an American citizen in

1:00:27

1943. Because

1:00:30

her parents were English, but she was born

1:00:32

in Japan, etc. Yeah? Correct. Okay.

1:00:36

So she's kind of an international kid, but she will

1:00:38

get her American citizenship in 1943 only to live out

1:00:40

the rest of her life in France. Right.

1:00:43

Which I guess if you marry a Frenchman you get dual. I

1:00:46

don't know. Probably. I think if

1:00:48

you're a famous Hollywood star, the

1:00:51

French are more than happy to let you live in

1:00:53

Paris with them. If you're Olivia

1:00:55

de Havilland, they think she is sexy

1:00:57

AF too. And like Olivia

1:00:59

was never like, ooh, she's the sexiest. She's

1:01:01

always like girl next door and just lovely.

1:01:04

But the French? Va

1:01:06

va va voom. They like classy. Olivia

1:01:09

de Havilland, y'all. Hell of a broad. Enduring

1:01:12

legacy. That's all

1:01:14

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1:01:19

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1:01:22

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1:01:26

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1:01:28

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1:01:31

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