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episode

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one authenticity it he started

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to fix

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welcome to the faith educated than know

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that where we dive into some of the research

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costumes stories and he generally

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interesting consensus things

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that went into trust forgotten

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i am raffaello my pronouns are see

1:20

her and they them on i have one of the writers

1:22

on for forgotten and also excites me

1:24

the directors and series for

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our first episode i am absolutely thrilled to

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be joined by me email and april

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nemo in april would you introduce yourselves

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with your pronouns on sell us a little bit

1:36

about your relationship to the so

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sure i'm nema martin my

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are they them and i am third creator

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of christ

1:44

and the lead writer vs

1:47

yes a relationship to the says kind of an understatement

1:49

see a for yeah i'm the captain

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really and this is my serve and

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on for explosives hers of

1:56

yeah soaring but some pain bottle

1:58

by roughly at the home

1:59

and i'm wishing

2:02

, no way for them i would feel oh

2:04

god i've most oh metaphor metaphor

2:06

instance i just got

2:10

an april yeah so

2:12

a popular high in the executive fraction

2:14

of sequel so all the shows that we make

2:16

i basically overseas and

2:19

make sure that they have said and utensil the themes

2:22

send a delight working with both of you

2:24

lovely it for off as ssh

2:27

today thought we talk a bit

2:29

about ideas around accuracy

2:32

and and authenticity and

2:34

issues around the things that might arise

2:37

in making it's not just have just have

2:39

fiction thought especially in

2:41

historical fiction like cs which

2:43

i think it's fair to say have a slightly alternate

2:46

history vibe to it that

2:48

is definitely your

2:51

regular pirate narrative and said in a non

2:53

western something and predominantly

2:56

player characters so what

2:58

does it authenticity and accuracy what

3:00

are they things actually mean when we make

3:02

this kind of historical fiction i

3:04

wanted me my to start with you it's

3:06

all about look authenticity

3:08

and on for see kind of meant to you

3:10

when you were conceiving this and may

3:13

put off little bit about pitching the

3:15

so it's really interesting how

3:17

authenticity

3:18

to me during this whole process

3:21

so i bet a below deck

3:23

sacks when i was fast pitch english so

3:25

it was a lot more based food orientated

3:28

and i mean there's still quite lawsuit

3:30

mentioned in the show as is now but though

3:32

the mom

3:33

after about it and solo the reading that was doing at the beginning

3:35

was about colonization assessed

3:38

on suit and global

3:40

food and stuff like that and one thing that

3:42

really helped me when i was thinking about the show

3:44

was article i read by curly

3:48

they always centro terrorising

3:50

trust agustin as a quote unquote

3:53

authentic show was squaring

3:55

the thought that authenticity

3:58

is a strange

3:59

word to use when

4:02

human culture has always been about exchanges

4:05

and conversation

4:07

and relationship

4:10

in karoly

4:12

the article one quote stood out to me was the

4:14

idea of authenticity one institutional

4:17

individual has the power to define what is authentic

4:19

while others do not my mantra

4:21

and price forgotten had always been

4:24

read as much own voices as

4:26

i can read about the relationships

4:29

that people have hat throughout time especially

4:31

ones that aren't super written about

4:33

four and a lot of media and

4:37

explorers relationships i guess and

4:40

became more authentic was to me

4:42

so in in light of that then maybe

4:44

this is a nice segue and talking

4:47

about the that

4:49

went into this because it's the flip side

4:51

of that is even oh that's easy seen

4:53

nemo is funny

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word talk about in the context exchange

4:58

and not something that we found really

5:01

really applies to this universe that

5:03

you've created nonetheless

5:05

them huge amount of research that you did

5:07

with of

5:08

privileged to look at the reams

5:10

of research that you did for that to

5:13

the point where i'd like current google document

5:15

is about a hundred and fifty pages

5:17

of courts

5:19

and that's not, i don't

5:22

quite a lot for eating i don't

5:24

even know where to start with a i

5:26

guess there are like such a different

5:28

groupings and reading and research that

5:30

i've done for it so one

5:32

of the big things is that i what

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for seven years at natural history museum and

5:38

so through that i

5:40

talked to talked lot of people a lot and

5:43

the staff there about people

5:46

that they had found in the margins of

5:48

their own research and so the

5:50

i did start with idea of like

5:52

therapy were behind the white people and

5:55

that was really foundational like to

5:57

all these people behind people white people who

5:59

were the the quote unquote boys

6:01

who were outside doing the research

6:03

collecting the recommend putting

6:06

down knowledge that they had known

6:08

for hundred years like culturally have known for the

6:10

to be is thought it only became

6:13

scientific fact when written down

6:15

by a white man

6:16

he wanted to explain the concept since

6:18

the the bullies the local boy

6:21

is there sure that sir as

6:23

embodied by seaver in our said

6:25

i think the first person i found true

6:28

quote unquote was considered a

6:30

boy to a naturalist as a bicycle

6:32

highly [unk] while it and he was

6:34

he was cool child

6:37

when naturalist could alfred

6:39

russel wallace and he met this quake

6:41

what early and gave him his surname

6:43

wallace and so

6:46

this person's job ali his job

6:48

was to basically go and

6:50

find specimens birds fish

6:53

whatever plants and bring

6:55

them to alfred and alfred

6:57

wage then write down

6:59

what they were and seen a d comparisons

7:02

and stuff like that and that's just one

7:04

person we have named and i was so

7:06

interested in this that does a because

7:10

i'm sure the early was

7:13

i mean eventually became eventually man's race

7:15

but it's such a colonial practice

7:17

to cool colonized men

7:20

boy as boy as of holding power

7:22

over them and ensure like

7:24

any knowledge that they have is lesser

7:27

serve and little that yeah

7:29

exactly and receiver that was always a thing

7:31

like one of the big things with see

7:33

with off his shoes off

7:36

as a boy like how

7:38

he transforms when he understands

7:41

what it means to be termed

7:43

like that

7:44

funny

7:47

and my headlights

7:47

you know i'm i'm quite in fandom in those like

7:49

the concept of like this is my little sweet little

7:52

pluto or now my boy

7:54

my child and it's like really difficult

7:56

for sunlight actually one of the fundamental things about

7:58

character is that i don't

7:59

him to be a boy five he doesn't like

8:02

cinnamon people consider him a

8:03

it's about growing right exactly

8:06

yeah

8:06

but at the same twice a

8:08

year you don't

8:10

need to grab on if i'm right

8:13

the around going to go in a different it actually

8:15

think that brings up a good point because

8:18

particularly well we're talking malik authenticity

8:20

and like what that means with these stories

8:23

is like it is a fictional story

8:25

that were telling but at the same time like sees

8:27

people and identities and circumstances

8:31

are very real things that happened these

8:33

are like real people in concept

8:35

anyway who have dealt with these kinds

8:38

of situations of being infant eyes

8:40

were recalled of work but that doesn't take away from

8:42

the fact that like you , that

8:44

characters truth good athlete is that they

8:46

still have going to do that that

8:49

is separated from my

8:51

has a fairly their that put

8:53

upon them from like the colonists

8:55

circumstance circumstance i

8:57

read the first pitch that came in for see if i

8:59

put up with called seventies and how he says if it makes

9:02

a riot title the way my

9:04

ass what about the vomit like great i

9:06

think one of the things that we

9:11

now my getting into added a can really

9:13

sing of the episode has been

9:15

treating these characters with like real

9:17

wait for their through

9:18

rio individual

9:21

of incidentally for like five for

9:23

the fence about into he comes through the fact

9:25

of

9:25

the mode the research that nemo data

9:27

at the initial concept fade and like i'm writing

9:29

say to throughout that but also like

9:31

all the work that's gone in from the

9:33

production stage through our historical consultants

9:36

since seventy consultant to make sure we

9:38

have as many you and are writers like ruff

9:40

and morgan also er episodes for us

9:42

to make sure that we had lots of people

9:44

with lots of different experiences that can put

9:47

their voices into the skirt fear

9:49

factor tickets fear spoiler to say

9:51

that one of the big thing

9:53

per season at least is

9:55

the characters are all struggling against

9:58

the stereotype that has been for

9:59

one them

10:01

they interact

10:03

with the world where the time the is

10:06

legitimate have

10:08

to act a certain way in order to survive

10:11

the story and the have changed quite a

10:13

lot since i initially pitched it

10:16

especially causes the cavity

10:18

and things that i'm

10:20

and has never considered there

10:23

are story arc that have been

10:25

the really taken out and

10:27

walked away from or hedged

10:29

for further research before

10:31

we could put it in i mean i've definitely

10:34

expanded the of my knowledge i know that i'm not

10:36

consent perfect know and can

10:38

be nevada nowhere to hide

10:40

going to have of the knowledge of the a

10:44

is not how old these characters on characters different

10:46

almost all of them are like hit face in some

10:48

way or have some type of mixed

10:50

influence mixed influence lives which

10:52

i think that was really a good way for you to kind

10:55

fell into that picking up on that

10:57

face those things mentions is

10:59

no person can hold all of

11:01

the knowledge on also a

11:03

plan as you said the huge team

11:05

of people have come to work on this in

11:07

terms of sensitivity consultant

11:09

sentence while consultants on

11:11

language who have how

11:13

to speaking different languages

11:15

the way that the show has progressed

11:18

i wondered if you do if you wanted to talk about

11:20

that has reposting as well

11:23

we've kind of revised to some of these characters

11:25

are with that with that

11:28

have the option of without outweighs the plans

11:30

kind of both or i will we've got a

11:32

starting point actually

11:34

we're going to greatest through the people who were involved

11:37

as writer i void

11:39

kind of person she loves

11:41

it act has come in and

11:43

co actually i think this is what my

11:45

character would you say it's and i realize

11:47

how yet a slight go for it this

11:49

is again touching on authenticity and stuff like that

11:52

it's really frustrating sometimes i've been

11:54

commissioned quite a few times to only talk

11:56

about being a british mixed race

11:58

weiss and japanese

11:59

and who a non binary who

12:02

is near orange avast

12:02

what kind of things and things

12:05

yourself mean i don't want to reach

12:07

homicides myself every time by any

12:09

right about this one something and it was a of

12:11

like you know i've

12:13

like boasted that but i have

12:15

friends i like to write about my friends

12:17

i have experienced the your family

12:20

ideology so twenty faces i have friends

12:22

you like

12:22

i don't i believe

12:25

, are but

12:28

the have friends who have never seen themselves

12:31

and media and i seen

12:33

the pool lament things that they

12:35

wish they could have

12:38

and i like to write

12:40

third things about them and when

12:42

an actor comes on and say

12:45

all over coaches that i am not part

12:47

of and they say actually i

12:49

really like it to be like this and i'm

12:51

like it speaks to you and a certain way

12:54

than it should to you and a certain way

12:56

and you can build on this and

12:59

i haven't been apart of the recording five

13:01

been like because to because like telling me

13:03

about their experiences and what

13:05

been writing and i'm like that fundamentally

13:08

the spirit of the show bringing

13:10

all of these people's excitement

13:13

and changing our language and stuff like that so

13:15

yeah some of my favorite conversations we've

13:17

had during especially

13:20

early on for obvious reasons have been accent

13:22

and a lot of iraq to is

13:25

not , them but the a fair chunk of iraq to the

13:28

speaking languages of the characters

13:30

that they don't speak themselves or are

13:32

encountering pronunciations

13:35

for the first time and those

13:37

have been very vocal conversation

13:40

while the yankees have either gone i

13:43

can go and talk to someone who

13:46

this , language that they sneak i'm going to listen

13:48

to them or they've come in and and rightly

13:50

gone i can well my character says this

13:52

but actually this is a second language

13:54

for them or this is you this is not

13:57

originally where they come from and being

13:59

a [unk] the work through the idea of horrible

14:01

horrible cliched but that this region and

14:04

of the indian ocean is that is a melting

14:06

pot of lows the city who

14:08

people from not so different places

14:10

who has not just a primary

14:12

or language but a secondary and tertiary

14:15

and of sorcery one i

14:17

don't know what the could put course it

14:19

won't be any of our characters are from

14:21

like of one singular place where

14:23

are you know haven't left to

14:26

nose into other cultures of things like oh yeah

14:28

absolutely you get lovely current tonight

14:30

for you get to hear apparent

14:32

said before you language the is what

14:34

for to one of that sort of us languages and

14:36

then another speaking the same and you know that is

14:38

not fast as as if of guinness affects

14:41

you know do they know how to pronounce this accurate

14:43

sli to go back for that was one

14:45

of my favorite times

14:47

the time i learned from my southeast

14:49

asian friends cause projects languages

14:52

and thorough jack is i followed

14:54

in indonesia and it's like kind of likely

14:56

to get like a mixed salad that

14:58

you mix it together and sir roderick languages

15:01

like a like may

15:03

be used in malaysia indonesia singapore

15:06

which has like so many again

15:09

quote unquote

15:10

the language is where everything is like

15:13

tossed together into a beautiful tasty

15:15

salads as it says unlike some

15:17

people you learning

15:19

languages and the kind of recall

15:21

languages trying to find identity

15:24

when you're taken out of the that's

15:26

all like beer store is obviously

15:28

a big thing this year it was

15:30

really exciting that i got to

15:32

write this i say

15:35

as if i didn't pitch for us

15:37

that dumb segway and something

15:39

lovely which is that the i've been since about in relation

15:41

to these ideas and authenticity

15:43

inaccuracy which is i'm you know aside

15:46

word that sometimes comes into this position is

15:48

he a universality them for the

15:50

universal which is a really tricky

15:52

and i think more problematic than not

15:54

concepts cook very often it's everything

15:56

gets collapsed into inexperience

15:59

solve being a white western

16:01

man and those experiences a universal

16:03

how much as for you to vote for the next that

16:05

there are certain things are you know i

16:08

just think he about that the day of spring

16:10

experiences my family's

16:13

suis some one side and italian on the other side

16:15

and when i was writing been either said

16:17

see when he visited money money

16:20

as i wrote her is based on my italian nana

16:22

and the scene of cooking and it's

16:24

a seen all of a

16:27

grandmother grandmother figure being had no

16:29

, for me there

16:32

are some saints of experience

16:34

saints of that tory across different

16:36

african different army yeah global

16:39

experiences and it's it's finances

16:41

in a similar to what you think it was kind of

16:43

dentist doesn't go gonna really do access my

16:46

my to cope with through food yeah

16:50

the outfit is clearly fluid

16:52

trim for us so i won't go

16:54

back and pick up on something else as he

16:56

said name because it would definitely right hedges and

16:59

colonization in the alternate

17:01

history universe but that is enough

17:03

of our hands breath away from away

17:05

from universe so i wondered

17:07

if we could will save took little more about

17:09

queen current things within this universe

17:12

but also i know is wow

17:15

that was deathly got near a diverse characters

17:17

in this so without necessary

17:19

the language of saying that

17:21

said you're a diverse sort of comes to father

17:24

he has been really interesting for curve

17:26

like i know

17:27

that it going to be fairly obvious that

17:30

lot of these characters are autistic

17:33

and that is on purpose really

17:35

hard when you don't have

17:37

the like in the universe language

17:40

to talk about those things know is

17:43

like written down on their character sheet

17:45

as being non binary but that's

17:47

said as a word on the shown and

17:50

it not that i think that these

17:52

didn't exist at the time or these

17:54

concepts didn't exist at the time for

17:57

is just been a really interesting conversation

17:59

about language

17:59

and how we use it and

18:02

a sexuality is a big thing i've

18:04

been about thinking these

18:06

wow

18:08

than nurse i mean elizabeth

18:10

in the first episode lives with doesn't

18:12

use any pronoun

18:13

and it's really hard when

18:16

i as a human being and

18:18

you know and a lot my writing that say the contemporary

18:20

period which has characters to say

18:23

my pronoun five a them or i don't

18:25

use pro tools and this i had

18:27

elizabeth be like call me doctor

18:30

and that is respect

18:31

it or not it would foundational when we're

18:33

creating this bible i was like whenever don't

18:35

have a transfer but hate

18:37

crimes happen

18:38

warner nor is jen did

18:40

in a certain way an episode

18:44

there's never going to be like

18:45

oh you're a trans person and for

18:47

i'm attacking me for that same

18:50

way of race i mean it's kind of

18:52

kids were talking about colonization and

18:55

all of the characters in this ago

18:56

the ultimate time period have

18:59

to consider what race they are

19:01

proposed that the world that they live in i

19:03

think that brings up a really good point too because

19:06

one of the things that we discussed a few and

19:08

i think part of why we wanted to add in

19:10

these sort of blue decks like context episode

19:13

is a that we can talk about the things that

19:15

we don't necessarily want to have explicitly

19:17

about in the series for multiple

19:19

reasons because i know that there's a lot

19:21

ideas that without for the characters amount of we

19:23

wanted particularly around like race

19:26

and gender die if we were

19:28

actually explore authentically within

19:30

series couldn't debris traumatizing some

19:32

people so we have to sort of take some

19:34

creative liberties in order to make sure that

19:36

like were being able to make something

19:39

that is entertaining and something that people

19:41

engage was while still not looking

19:44

at sorts we'll aspect

19:47

that would have existed around like trans

19:49

identity and racial identity

19:51

is particularly in exploring those within

19:54

colonial contests and we

19:56

i seen has done a

19:58

lot to try to me

19:59

sure that we're addressing them

20:02

without harmful and i

20:04

i think that that's something that we've been really active

20:07

about making sure that we're sort of focusing

20:09

on throughout the whole series but

20:11

, think that it's been really good that it's been a decision

20:14

i think web based you've found the

20:16

balance of the he be pleased that these

20:19

queer characters get to live that queer live

20:22

live no certain

20:24

t v shows like a i could name that like

20:26

it's so it's so beautiful because see

20:28

implant but we never we but

20:30

yeah so you we never get to see queer

20:32

characters doing anything queer and

20:35

the absence of contemporary language in

20:37

the talking about this idea

20:39

of talking about maybe wouldn't

20:42

have use the time non binary think

20:44

probably would have you something dissimilar

20:46

to that there are some characters that are

20:48

coming out that i think

20:49

draft really well with i i

20:53

pacific non binary as pro

20:55

down he was of cars console

20:57

com the names and but we've never lived hard to

20:59

say who in the future episodes we will

21:02

them in romantic and sexual

21:04

relationships with people have the same gender

21:06

and you know when we're not using

21:09

specific was from the lgbtq

21:11

plus acronym but

21:13

there is a very hesitant have using

21:15

the word freedom because i sound like it's an argument that

21:17

kind of you again innocent clear way

21:20

but there is a lovely very

21:23

transgressive and freeing

21:26

about having a cast of characters

21:28

who would like yeah i mean just going

21:30

around live in my gay life you know

21:34

and it's there and it's on the page and is

21:36

in in the port yeah and in

21:38

think that that from the radical protected

21:40

when we were actually looking at

21:43

what seriously want the commission and what we want to work into

21:45

one the things we were particularly drawn to that is like

21:48

particularly nemo how he spoke about the project

21:51

your obvious knowledge and research that went into it

21:53

but also it concept of

21:55

the fact of like they're absolutely work where

21:57

people in the seventeen eighteen hundreds

21:59

and being able to actually

22:02

explore what those lives might have been

22:04

like for like quote has been like it's just

22:06

a really great thing to actually did it feel to and

22:09

show a little bit right on stops actually

22:11

a very nice into i wouldn't give

22:13

out to ask you a specific historical question

22:15

name a new research which is the

22:18

time period awareness listen to the mouth and the

22:21

my substantive a couple of centuries

22:23

the i'm just putting their parents being

22:25

says something that kind of kind lot of the can

22:28

m can e challenge this from a historical perspective

22:30

but that like that lot of the very

22:32

the very binary christian

22:35

moral code colonization is a victorian

22:37

product on with low

22:40

key please forgive them so far

22:42

as we're marching i up to

22:44

actual kind of periods in history

22:47

did that come into it at all

22:48

they legally so there's a concept

22:51

called pax britannica it's

22:53

a period

22:55

between eighty athena nineteen

22:57

fourteen which is britain's imperial

23:00

century and so

23:02

they eagerly in my head the

23:04

show has aspects

23:07

of it that are on the early side

23:09

of that so eighteen sixteen to eighteen

23:11

forty there's no specific date that

23:14

really upset by i would say eighteen

23:16

forties is kind of where

23:19

we are and it's really

23:21

fun time states are really have to be very

23:23

specific because of things like when was

23:26

slavery abolish like

23:28

that is a while i

23:30

think him a date it's not see not

23:32

one was slavery of ice is a really difficult

23:34

question it's very long insisted

23:36

seismic question but like there

23:38

are certain states where states law went

23:41

to pass and things like that

23:42

and i didn't really want

23:44

us to be like having to sit

23:47

things into like this specific thing

23:49

happened on aug the fourth eighteen

23:51

thirty three but equally

23:54

like things that

23:55

it for me for things like stamps

23:58

name

23:58

i have friends t

24:02

oh

24:06

my god this story one of the things

24:08

i did when i was researching the statements

24:10

i was year one of those web

24:13

the fine and it is like clearly

24:15

made and

24:16

the early two thousand and it's got loads of

24:18

like little kids

24:20

yeah they are the abundancy

24:22

as cities the acer room

24:24

in the internet yeah yeah

24:26

yeah

24:27

and it v stamp collection

24:28

that i found

24:30

he had loads of like original

24:32

stamps from like eighteen thirties

24:35

and stuff like that and for i was like

24:37

no way that this email still works like

24:39

clearly because been abandoned hundred years ago

24:42

like if you will probably dead

24:44

europe really nice couple were on was

24:47

like hey if i was trying to send

24:49

a letter from head hair and this time

24:51

period what stamp what they've you

24:53

may go talk to me and like an hour

24:55

and were like hi we're healthy

24:57

that dot the do this but we're going to look through every but

24:59

right now will come back to you and a couple of hours

25:02

like four hours later they were like

25:04

that that they would he it's it's a mistake

25:07

is late scanned copy

25:09

that we found four years i hope

25:11

that answers your question please let us know

25:14

says the nothing else that you want and just like

25:16

be people who'd love stamps and

25:19

it's , really excites nazism delightful

25:21

people were yeah yeah so so

25:23

in this series weren't see the

25:25

exact stamps that i'm talking about but

25:28

no the i know what stops there

25:30

are on the letters are being seen as much

25:32

as a very important behind the scenes

25:34

that yes know that

25:36

i am clear which characters are autistic

25:39

and autistic and what stamps for

25:41

you

25:41

very important information

25:44

i , feel like again

25:47

can that how authenticity versus

25:49

accuracy accuracy thing from

25:51

that exposes that they are different things

25:54

exactly the fun of he said he made

25:56

the when not

25:58

having to

25:59

they

25:59

well this law was enacted on this date

26:02

i've worked out is exactly three years

26:04

and seven months since that happened

26:06

in the of the show but we'll see

26:08

you have thumb ball

26:11

he was i have is so

26:13

many of the communities that are represented

26:15

in the show was all real

26:18

historical communities as people

26:20

often mix communities

26:22

of people that came together to on things able

26:24

purpose because didn't potentially

26:26

transport is potentially feature up said that

26:29

mix communities if if that came skyn

26:31

that lived together blew

26:33

through you know the last few hundred

26:35

years on being able to place

26:37

them side by side allows

26:40

you to make to make out

26:42

of them in a way that kind of very

26:44

sort of done domestic bowing

26:46

to like know it's it's our universe and these

26:48

of the dates wouldn't allow three months

26:51

even stories these days like

26:53

it's almost a troupe of itself nowadays

26:56

that you have like the single

26:57

the person of color friend who a slate

27:00

themselves in a friendship group

27:03

and like families especially

27:05

media

27:05

that don't explore like this poorer

27:07

stuff like that there have been some really

27:09

beautiful films and

27:11

tv shows that have come up recently that our

27:14

own voice

27:14

it should everything

27:17

everywhere all at once recently made

27:19

me cry quite a lawyer was very relevant to

27:21

me but like but

27:23

i've never really of

27:25

like which i

27:27

have families are far singaporean

27:31

, who lives in

27:33

vietnam who are mixed race

27:35

and i have family who are japanese

27:38

some full of japan and i have families

27:40

who are white australian and

27:43

her family who are on com chinese

27:46

and my

27:47

the school when i was in secondary

27:49

school my friendship group

27:51

the majority afro caribbean

27:54

second generation or for like

27:56

and second generation all could

27:59

traci

28:00

and that friendship group by

28:02

with the whitest classes i'm

28:05

i really just wanted to have wanted

28:07

friendship flesh family group

28:10

that was like mine

28:12

and a have these people

28:14

has failures

28:17

and not just be alive

28:18

here it a glorious

28:20

the color you can do no wrong like they go

28:22

on each of his mouth and safe

28:24

as each other off and they don't know how to

28:26

interact as each other of other of time but

28:29

fundamentally i do think that do love

28:31

each other

28:32

the learning how to love each other in

28:34

a in a while back haven't allowed them to love

28:36

themselves i really wanted

28:38

them to like support each other

28:41

maybe because they've

28:42

that being supported by other people

28:43

and yeah i mean

28:46

that was

28:46

they were created the shirt

28:48

all emotional from this i guess i love listening

28:50

to it

28:52

i'm loving this year because everyone's getting

28:54

an inside insulate working on

28:56

serious for like a year and a half now i think

28:59

my leg was like

29:00

you christmases ago whatever that we actually

29:05

the person that you have faced

29:07

with these characters and like

29:09

that's why

29:10

make them often think that's what brings the

29:12

reality to because they're real

29:14

feel and like their hopefully if

29:17

you are audiences as there was listening to

29:19

it it becomes real so that i have

29:21

for

29:21

their neighbor lsd up

29:27

a better than real and i know

29:30

every sucks about them and and scientists

29:32

if and have if i of i need make

29:34

my own survival

29:37

i do as is a sort of a side

29:39

note but duty to my and seven so i follow

29:41

a lot of that does artists and

29:44

i think they get that way about their oh sees sometimes

29:46

original characters may be like know i

29:48

know everything about them and

29:50

they're wonderful and i need everyone else to love

29:52

them to and by i think

29:54

these characters have some real life to them and

29:57

i also love the i'm

29:59

really

29:59

the fighter flight i hope

30:02

that that will see people

30:04

who enjoys characters as much

30:07

as i do and and working

30:09

with rason look and as well was so beautiful

30:11

because they have developed

30:13

a lot since i first wrote them and

30:15

kind of

30:16

the memo over harassing morgan

30:19

i wouldn't scare to to

30:20

because i love them both

30:22

as writers and the way

30:24

that these characters flourished

30:26

under them as well robin

30:28

, pesticides i'm like i read them

30:31

and are like wow these are my super assists

30:34

and like the characters journey

30:36

they on and stuff yeah and so

30:38

i'm really excited to see how

30:41

listeners will interact with us as lol and

30:43

are these characters will flourish

30:44

in fact it was like i really

30:46

excited for that the rest of the succumbing

30:49

see months the and levin i

30:51

will say when ,

30:53

ask me to come on boards with the series

30:56

was on see thrilled knows little bit scared us

30:58

at all i feel like i'm entering into

31:01

a universe into a know anything about apart

31:03

from like a lot pirated i'm

31:06

on as soon as i read the survival i was

31:08

like i know who they are energy

31:10

characters on in this

31:13

has been one of the most fun writing job

31:15

i've had like and honestly gives the

31:17

at they're just so let's

31:19

clear and allies in

31:21

who they are and then also than

31:24

having the privilege of going to be the director

31:26

of the series is wow that you see you see

31:29

new things mccarran says that the offences bring

31:31

see as this

31:33

whole side of know that gg

31:36

you plaisance was going abroad them were

31:38

of is almost up me like i need

31:40

my assistance i've written like rewriting

31:43

little

31:43

from the flight and agree with you like you

31:45

could you say this getting to watch the

31:48

actors and how much they've that evil

31:50

flee sold on and put into the search has been really

31:52

great and this casting

31:54

process like circle bucks i think we talked

31:56

a little bit too about casting was

31:58

the like the casting process for the

31:59

a long time probably

32:02

twice as as are are normal casting processors

32:05

because we really wanted to make sure that we we

32:07

thought into like the right people for an idyllic

32:09

nilo really great job of assists

32:11

sitting down and being know like i we get

32:13

a better person for the thrall and

32:16

i think the casket we've had and getting watch

32:19

them spring those character so i think getting

32:21

to watch like what you've been able to pull out of the raf

32:23

my phone at absolute treasure

32:25

ha treasure a

32:28

it

32:31

yeah i know like fit who plays

32:33

baker i know like that with one of

32:35

the ones where we actually were in

32:37

in changed a little bit of backstory

32:40

because if it was so right for that character

32:43

i we wanted to make sure that way

32:45

there were no workmen take for

32:47

the person's between that character that the guy was

32:49

probably one of the ones that obviously it to

32:51

be touched on and stuff later but yeah we've

32:54

sort of changed some directions

32:56

little we're going with some of the characters to make sure that

32:58

fit with the people who were playing and

33:00

that's been a really great thing to get

33:02

to be of i'm like you know those

33:04

costing things kind of made me go

33:07

back to a research and think

33:09

about push your father i guess actually

33:12

the

33:13

i am really excited

33:15

to think about these characters again

33:17

and to develop from father

33:20

and

33:21

yeah it's just so cool

33:23

to a commission either this or they're

33:25

just gonna be like be like working on this saturday

33:28

instead to on another one it when we

33:30

were we were

33:31

voting day i'm one of our thoughts

33:33

members specific is he lost his sense

33:36

of how many how feet is

33:38

it's been said

33:39

i'm

33:41

twenty years is

33:44

reading his kit the other day i

33:46

was bit so

33:49

it's spreading spreading through the x

33:51

to do approval very emotional

33:54

all the time i'm looking forward to making

33:56

more

33:56

god it's

33:58

so i guess

33:59

this your own

34:01

like i mean this is my

34:03

first

34:03

real and

34:06

, was so scared

34:08

as as throughout this process

34:11

because as a reiser have

34:13

written things for for and have

34:15

seen in some

34:18

writers rooms before but

34:20

i've never been the show runner before

34:23

and of a created like as if a harsher

34:25

that i've created have so many

34:27

people work on it and

34:30

that is really exciting that's not what this

34:32

episode of below decks as of out for

34:34

i have left law had grown along and i'm

34:36

pretty excited and thank you

34:38

to read rusty quell smith

34:41

the been born here like had

34:43

the cleaner production credits to be like

34:45

yeah whoop foot time effort and money

34:47

behind us

34:48

her pitching if you ,

34:50

an extremely generous so runners

34:53

and also have not yet got annoyed at

34:55

we must in you going on since it

34:57

has been currency gg say like

34:59

this like this is

35:01

would

35:02

the make a movie currency

35:04

undercapitalised talking about authenticity

35:07

and accuracy my god if anyone

35:09

who has a special interests than current

35:12

what's that second come on food specifically

35:14

season there's been some very

35:17

nice topic

35:18

come up and about that i a question for

35:20

processor you

35:22

, mind i'm i'm as good as like in

35:24

terms of as talking about like authenticity

35:26

answer but that means like you've done a lot of

35:28

work bringing under

35:31

represented a few years to stage in and

35:33

say something like that select what does that mean

35:35

to you then and terms of like authenticity

35:37

the characters in from a director's perspective

35:39

or from you know working with these

35:41

these performer circling the characters like you

35:44

he wrote a couple of episodes and now you're ready to direct

35:46

z talk deliver valley some of

35:48

the lines the ones that you bread but like now

35:50

that it's actually we've recorded like are quite

35:53

a bit of the series now i'm wondering sort of your

35:55

thoughts on how that process

35:57

is kind of about physically moving from running to directly

35:59

well the thing i'm always interested in i think

36:02

as right

36:02

the director is surprise

36:05

which hundred his hand in hand with the idea of systems

36:08

that like think that a surprise i i

36:10

like the moment when a scene

36:12

or like or accounts just once in

36:14

a way you're not expecting to swerve

36:17

ah mighty with a real pleasure is an audience

36:19

member being

36:21

able to predict the actions

36:23

of the characters so only so far

36:26

as you can predict of their actions means

36:28

that you know them because anticipate their

36:30

responses to things which means you want

36:32

some them on some level no

36:34

what kind of part to they are and then

36:36

at the moment that is the solution that you

36:38

expect them to do the kings old

36:41

imitating anything seat

36:43

is really the dating sensible the and use especially

36:45

in bringing and did it into character to

36:48

states has sought some auto for

36:50

the a the case may be of says that these

36:52

mean i said have current to

36:54

say he was fighting against

36:57

the stereotypes that that they are perceived

36:59

as or even , it's not

37:01

as kind of consciousness thought kind of as live

37:03

in a world that is happy to

37:05

be productive about them through

37:08

the idea of surprise the idea of

37:10

stepping away from what you

37:12

anticipate that someone is going to the was in

37:14

becomes even more important important

37:17

these characters on actually that both

37:19

ways of spoken of on on a mess

37:22

a level you might com it's a like

37:24

this and go but get a subversive

37:26

expect face in the

37:27

i'm not a ,

37:31

also leads to read

37:32

you think knew about look stupid it's smallest

37:35

car still people of color legs but it

37:37

is flawless qui occurrences but

37:39

as he know some phones the thing that is

37:41

a surprises may make a wrong choice

37:44

themselves someone else so

37:47

, it's a very long on said that that's the thing

37:49

that i'm most in in

37:52

on isis the thing that says these characters

37:55

really well i'm just

37:57

finding an unexpected there are laws make

37:59

them awesome the for me the most and

38:01

six but also just kind of the is that

38:03

of unexpected colors in them sort of going it's

38:05

great to give a character

38:08

may be these be more serious than just throw them very

38:10

funny little lied where you're like oh another

38:13

little so it's about person i didn't know was

38:15

that button to me silver treats allies

38:17

and a for those to discover i

38:20

think we sold his enjoy things oppose

38:23

this has been lovely and unexpectedly

38:26

self gratifying first

38:27

it could have a

38:29

, job as well well

38:33

events and gray and we can do no actually

38:36

all about characters and all of us have flawless

38:38

and know when to protest by those asshole

38:40

for like , so

38:42

the opposite argument the characters

38:44

are flawed and i think the important thing to leave

38:46

off with is that we're not going to get everything right

38:49

we've put a lot of effort into the series

38:51

to make sure that we get things as accurate

38:54

for as authentic sort of as possible

38:56

given the fact that like it is fiction and

38:58

it these characters truth that like

39:00

we are it seeking for any

39:02

any particular people were just trying

39:05

to bring the stories that know

39:07

to life and and make those real i

39:10

what we have shown that is that

39:12

if bring us some new information

39:15

will go you we have

39:17

maybe it'll be about staff

39:19

and middle east if i every

39:22

episode from now his show's going

39:24

to be about stance on can i think that's a thrive

39:27

the like a patron thing maybe we can give you your

39:29

of like stamps so on the to out there

39:31

i am prius one plays that

39:34

as they don't have below decks in which new may have friends

39:38

okay god i am never escape

39:40

sigma slurry has good

39:43

boyfriend me wrong ah

39:46

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39:47

do you think about my

39:50

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39:52

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39:56

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