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1:17

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1:19

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1:21

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1:23

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1:34

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1:38

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1:57

Twisted Humans. wanting

2:00

to know more about the latest

2:02

murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting, then

2:05

this is the podcast for you.

2:08

I'm Alisha. And I'm Sierra.

2:10

And this is Twisted and

2:12

Uncorked. Hello

2:15

and welcome to episode 155. Today, I'm

2:18

telling you all a story based on

2:20

your chosen special

2:26

topic of celebrity crimes.

2:29

But as I have

2:31

already covered a celebrity crime for my

2:34

most recent episode of an unsolved case,

2:37

I've decided to misunderstand the assignment.

2:39

Just slightly. Just slightly. I had

2:41

a feeling you were going to

2:43

go that route. We record

2:45

Wayne and Vance guys. And when you

2:47

voted on that, she was like, God

2:49

damn it. I was literally in the

2:51

middle of researching the case that

2:53

I did. I think I had just finished the research. I was like,

2:55

I'm not doing this again. So yeah.

2:59

I'll back it up to 153 if

3:01

you haven't listened to our OJ episode

3:03

yet. Sierra did a really good job.

3:06

Multiple people reached out and was like,

3:08

I've heard this story multiple times and

3:10

you did a really good job. So

3:13

kudos to you. I was so nervous

3:16

to, I don't know, put salt

3:18

on the wound. You know? You

3:20

cover the bravest stories of the two

3:22

of us. So kudos to you. You

3:24

do. You really do. You did the

3:26

research for West Memphis 3. You did

3:28

this. You dig through the, me

3:31

making it up to you is doing serial

3:33

killer notes because that's a whole other dark

3:35

rabbit hole, which we have next week for

3:37

you guys. But I'm excited to hear what

3:39

you have for today. So this

3:41

is actually going to be about, I

3:44

mean, it's still about celebrities who

3:46

have experienced crimes, but today's story

3:48

is going to revolve around a

3:50

particular house, a haunted house with

3:53

a shocking connection to not one,

3:55

but two major celebrity

3:58

deaths. Before we

4:00

get started. I'm so excited. I know

4:02

that's such a horrible thing to say, but I'm

4:04

so excited. Do you

4:06

have a fun fact for us, Alicia?

4:08

I do. I actually, Sierra

4:13

does not have a laptop anymore, guys, RIP,

4:16

but on most Windows computers on

4:18

the left-hand side, there is a

4:20

little search button that you

4:22

could search things on your computer or it'll

4:25

bring up a search for the interweb. Oh

4:28

my God. On the internet, and

4:30

every day there's little

4:32

symbols in the bottom left

4:34

corner, about whatever they want

4:36

to teach you about. And so the other day

4:39

there was this weird little, and it's like a

4:41

cartoon version. Somebody knows what I'm talking about. Like

4:43

for example, today there's a little mug in

4:45

the corner. And if I click on it,

4:48

it's like, skip the cafe, make

4:50

your own matcha latte at home. Well,

4:52

two days ago, it was about something

4:55

called a sunfish. And

4:58

I am obsessed. They're

5:01

horrifying because I'm afraid of everything in the

5:04

ocean, but they get thirsty.

5:06

Nice to meet you. Because they

5:08

are super long, like super round

5:10

and big. They're like six feet

5:12

by six feet around to eight

5:15

feet. And they're

5:17

almost like flat with like little fins.

5:19

Are you googling a sunfish right now?

5:23

They're kind of horrifying. They're

5:26

kind of horrifying, but they're deep

5:28

water fish. Like everything that

5:30

they eat is deep water, but

5:33

they come up to the surface and

5:35

lay on their sides and suntan. And

5:38

I was like, what? That is so

5:40

weird. Are you seeing a photo of

5:42

them on the surface of the water? No,

5:45

this one. Oh God. Looks

5:47

like he's wearing

5:50

a tutu. Oh,

5:52

he's got eyes. I wonder

5:54

if that's a male one. I think all the ones

5:56

that feed are females, but people

5:58

often check safety. them for

6:01

being dead because they float at the

6:03

top of the water on their sides

6:05

and sometimes they have their eyes closed.

6:08

They look like they're dead. So people are like,

6:10

oh my God. But because they're deep

6:12

water fish, people don't often see them unless

6:14

they're doing that. So that's why they got

6:16

the term sunfish because they sun tan. And

6:19

I thought that was kind of cute. And

6:21

this is coming from somebody that's horrified of everything in

6:23

the water. And if you're watching

6:25

this on YouTube, Sierra's face is horrified. It's

6:29

weird. I don't

6:31

like it. I don't like it. It

6:34

doesn't have a tail. It just

6:37

has the weird little tutu thing.

6:39

Yeah. And two fins, one on

6:41

top and one on bottom that

6:43

looks like its legs are outstretched.

6:45

How does it feel like that?

6:48

No. They're fucking huge though. They're

6:50

fucking huge. Like if you look

6:52

at them next to a human, I'm like, absolutely not.

6:58

They're so big. Yeah.

7:02

But what is your fun fact? My

7:04

fun fact is about a sort

7:06

of celebrity. Do you guys have

7:09

McGress the crime dog in Canada?

7:12

I can't speak for all of Canada because I've

7:14

been yelled at in the past, but it

7:16

wasn't a big thing for me

7:19

until I started listening to Sutter

7:21

Stirhood. Because they are big. He was like the dare dog.

7:26

He came and talked about drugs

7:28

and alcohol and guns and

7:31

stuff like that. He came to

7:33

schools. The actor, because

7:37

they did like a, I don't know

7:39

if it was a show, but it was like

7:41

commercials and stuff of McGress the crime dog. The

7:43

actor's name is John Morales, the one who voiced

7:45

McGress. And

7:48

he has been in jail since

7:50

2011 because

7:54

police discovered he had a

7:56

thousand marijuana plants, 27

7:58

weapons and nine. 9,000

8:01

rounds of ammunition at his house. McGrath

8:05

has not taken his own advice. I

8:07

was gonna say the irony in that.

8:09

The irony. Oh

8:11

my gosh. Yeah,

8:14

McGrath's in jail. Okay. He's

8:17

a bad dog. Oh

8:22

my God. Yeah.

8:24

That's not a good look for a crime dog. To

8:27

have a thousand marijuana plants.

8:32

In 2011 too, like it was not legal. Not

8:34

legal anywhere at the time. Oh

8:38

my gosh, I love it. Oh

8:41

no. Well, I- Sorry,

8:45

I was gonna say, that's why he's telling

8:47

the kids not to get the drugs and

8:49

guns because he wants them all for himself.

8:52

Hoarder. He's

8:55

like, just save that for me.

8:57

Everything's fine here. Nothing to

8:59

see. Or is

9:01

he like, I'm already too far

9:04

deep. Save yourselves guys. Yeah, maybe.

9:07

I didn't save the link. I just screenshotted

9:09

the information, but I'm pretty sure it said

9:11

he also had like grenades. Like

9:14

for what? Why? What

9:17

are you looking at for? Sir. Yeah,

9:20

right? That's gross. No,

9:23

you know what? I'm wrong. It wasn't

9:26

even, it was grenade launchers. Like

9:29

even more fly. Yeah,

9:34

I mean, it's maybe a good thing

9:36

that he's in jail because what's he

9:38

gonna do with those grenade launchers? Ponder

9:41

on that. Well, you sip

9:44

on a sangria. Yeah, perfect

9:46

segue. I'm actually not drinking my

9:48

own sangria recipe and I

9:50

say that hesitantly because

9:52

I really wanted it, but I haven't

9:54

eaten dinner yet and that feels irresponsible.

9:57

So I'm drinking a white cloth instead.

10:00

And my cousin is coming here this weekend

10:02

with her son and it's her

10:04

birthday next week. So I thought that

10:06

it would be a perfect little backyard

10:09

sipper with her. So I will report back

10:11

on how it tastes, but

10:14

it is a summer

10:16

sangria, sorry, a summer

10:18

strawberry sangria and

10:20

it has strawberries. You can put

10:22

sugar in it. You

10:24

can admit it if you'd like or simple syrup.

10:29

Raspberries, orange slices, orange

10:31

juice, orange liqueur. And

10:34

if you would like, you can use a

10:37

rose or a sparkling rose. And if you

10:39

don't have a sparkling rose, you can just

10:41

pop it with a little bit of

10:43

soda water. And it sounds super

10:45

refreshing, super sweet. And

10:48

I don't know about any

10:50

of you listeners, but our strawberries

10:52

have been really good lately. California

10:56

is doing it right. They're not grown here, let's face

10:58

it. Yeah,

11:00

they're not grown in my backyard either because they're

11:02

not growing. You

11:05

don't have flowers, do you? I

11:07

do. I have flowers. That's a good sign. And a little

11:09

green comes out and then it

11:12

goes back and then shrivels up and I'm like,

11:14

what's happening? I think it might be

11:16

too hot here already. The

11:19

strawberry comes out. The strawberries are

11:22

springtime. Yeah, it's like actually just

11:24

kidding. Oh, that

11:26

changes. I can't grow strawberries

11:28

on my balcony because it's not hot

11:31

enough. So I tried

11:33

the first year that we lived here and that

11:36

was an epic fail. I didn't even get flowers.

11:38

So I believe in you. You got

11:40

this. And you

11:42

mentioned that you are maybe drinking something

11:44

else or do you just have water?

11:46

Yes, I am drinking apple

11:49

cider vinegar tea. Which

11:51

so before you shot it, it's

11:53

actually very good. It

11:55

is really good. It tastes like apple cider, like

11:58

warm apple cider. kind of

12:01

like sugary. Yeah,

12:03

it's hot water with apple

12:05

cider, honey, a little

12:07

bit of lemon juice and cinnamon stick and

12:09

it's great. And

12:11

it's great for your gut. And

12:14

it's supposed to help you fall asleep better. So

12:17

after this, I should be able to go

12:19

right to sleep and not be thinking about books all

12:21

night long. We had

12:24

a little rant before this, but if you want

12:26

to hear about everything that we're reading, you

12:28

can come and check out our

12:30

Patreon page and follow along

12:32

with us because we are

12:35

apparently book obsessed. I

12:37

don't get to read as much as Sierra does,

12:39

which makes me sad, but I

12:42

did recently finish a recommendation of hers and it

12:44

was so good. So we are going to talk

12:47

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Okay. So today's

15:03

story starts with the purchase

15:05

of the alleged haunted house

15:08

in July of 1932. Ooh,

15:11

she had an old-timey case.

15:14

Old-timey for now. Paul

15:18

Byrne bought a house

15:20

as a wedding gift for his new

15:22

bride, Jean Harlow. Two

15:24

months later, he'd be found dead inside

15:26

of that house. Paul

15:31

Byrne was born Paul Levy in 1889 in

15:33

Germany. When

15:36

he was young, he, his parents, and

15:38

five siblings moved to New York to

15:41

escape the rise of anti-Jewish views in

15:43

Germany. In

15:45

New York, he developed a love

15:48

for acting and claimed the stage

15:50

name Paul Byrne. While

15:53

he acted on stage sets for a

15:55

while, he eventually realized that in front

15:57

of the scene wasn't where he belonged.

16:02

Paul wanted to be behind the

16:04

scenes as a stage manager, director,

16:06

producer. He moved

16:08

to Hollywood in the 1920s

16:10

and worked his way up

16:12

from film editor to screenwriter

16:14

and eventually became a major

16:16

producer for MGM Studios. Maybe

16:19

you've heard of it. Maybe.

16:22

Jean Harlow was an up-and-coming actress,

16:25

born Harleen Harlow Carpenter in 1911

16:27

and known

16:30

for her quote-unquote bad girl roles.

16:32

I'm smiling because I know who Jean Harlow is. You

16:35

know me. I'm a sucker for old Hollywood

16:37

women. She

16:40

actually had no interest in being an actor

16:42

as a child. Her

16:44

mother, Jean Carpenter, was the one who

16:46

moved them to Los Angeles so that

16:49

she, the mother, could pursue acting. At

16:52

the age of 32, though, she was

16:54

having trouble finding any gigs. They wanted

16:56

younger actresses. It's

16:58

bullshit. Harleen

17:00

went with a friend to an audition

17:02

one day and caught the eye of

17:04

some executives. They took note

17:06

of Harleen's beauty and asked her to audition.

17:10

Originally, she said no, but

17:12

her friend dared her to do it, so

17:14

she did. And she

17:16

put her mother's maiden

17:19

name down as her own, Jean

17:21

Harlow. She

17:23

was a hit. They called her

17:26

back for further auditions multiple times, and

17:28

her mother eventually talked her into acting.

17:33

In the early 1930s, Harleen,

17:35

now known as Jean Harlow, met

17:37

Paul Byrne, and they began a

17:40

friendship. They had

17:42

an 18-year age difference, but Paul

17:45

saw in Jean a wonderful actress

17:47

with potential to become a star

17:49

in leading roles. Other

17:52

producers and executives only saw a beautiful young

17:54

blonde and one of her specifically for

17:56

the sexy roles. She

17:58

admired Paul for she was a beautiful young woman. seeing her potential

18:01

outside of her beauty. I'm

18:03

just going to say she was all on bombshell,

18:05

if I remember correctly. Yes. He

18:09

was often described as a short,

18:11

kind of nerdy older man by

18:13

this point. So when Jean took

18:15

interest in him as a romantic

18:17

partner, many people were shocked. They

18:19

didn't look like they'd be a fit couple.

18:23

But their romance hit hard and

18:25

fast. They started dating in early 1932

18:29

and were married on July 2nd of

18:31

that same year when they moved into

18:34

their home that Paul purchased for Jean.

18:38

But on September 5th, 1932, Paul Byrne

18:41

was found dead in this home with

18:43

a single gunshot wound to his head.

18:46

Officially, his death was ruled a

18:48

suicide, but everything about it

18:51

is weird and we will probably never

18:53

know for sure. Here

18:55

are the details. When

18:58

he was found by staff of

19:00

the house, Jean was not home.

19:03

She had stayed at her mother's house the

19:05

night before, possibly because they were having an

19:07

argument. Many reports said that

19:09

she told him she was leaving him.

19:12

The first people that the staff

19:14

found him called were the NGN

19:17

studio execs, not the police. And

19:21

the NGN execs allegedly

19:24

said they could not have a murder

19:26

investigation on their hands because that would

19:28

cause bad threats for all the movies

19:30

that were about to come out that

19:32

Jean Harlow was to be starring in.

19:36

There was a suicide note found in the

19:38

home, maybe. The note

19:40

said, dearest dear,

19:43

unfortunately this is the only way

19:45

to make good on the frightful

19:47

wrong I have done you and

19:49

wipe out my abject humiliation. I

19:52

love you, Paul. You understand that

19:54

last night was only a comedy. However,

19:59

it was not a crime. not present when the

20:01

police finally did arrive. The

20:05

execs who were there first gave it to

20:07

the police, saying they originally did

20:09

not need that information to be made public,

20:11

but decided against keeping it from the police.

20:14

Some people claim it's not written in Paul's

20:16

handwriting, so maybe the execs, or

20:18

even the actual killer, if this was a

20:21

murder, wrote it to make it look like

20:23

a suicide. The

20:26

story is that Paul was cheating on Jean, and

20:28

that's why she was leading him, and stayed at

20:30

her mom's, and that is what explains the suicide

20:33

note in his death. It makes sense. But

20:36

then here's another weird thing. A

20:38

woman named Dorothy Millett died

20:41

by suicide the very next day,

20:43

September 6th, after

20:46

she jumped off a riverboat into the

20:48

Sacramento River at 3am. And

20:51

Dorothy Millett was Paul Burns' actual

20:54

legal wife. Paul

20:59

and Dorothy stole

21:02

what? He's already been legally married

21:04

to Jean. Okay. She had a

21:06

wife like this. Sir! Also,

21:09

that's so sad. You

21:12

can't just marry two people. No, you

21:14

can't do that. Blonde bombshell or not,

21:17

that's a dick move. Paul

21:19

and Dorothy had met many years ago when he

21:21

was living in New York and doing stage acting.

21:24

She was also a stage actress. They

21:26

fell in love and married, but she became ill

21:29

with a mental illness and was sent to live

21:34

in a sanatorium in Connecticut. Oh God,

21:36

we all know how that goes. When

21:40

Paul moved to Hollywood, he continued to

21:42

support Dorothy. He sent her

21:44

the equivalent of $5,000 in today's money every

21:46

month, and wrote her letters

21:49

about his life and hopes for her to be happy.

21:51

But he never spoke about her to others. It

21:54

was a secret that he had kept all those

21:56

years. According to

21:59

correspondence with Dorothy, she was

22:01

going to be traveling to California

22:03

that night of his death. And

22:06

he was going to be paying her way, the

22:08

trip, the hotel she'd stay in, all of it.

22:12

Some think that she was the one who came

22:14

to his home and killed him, and

22:16

then killed herself. Others

22:19

believe that she killed herself because she

22:21

was sad that he had died. Sad

22:25

because she still loved him, and because she knew that

22:27

now that he was dead, she

22:30

wouldn't have her monthly payments and support from him.

22:35

The case was closed as a suicide,

22:37

then reopened 30 years later because of

22:39

rumors that it may be a murder.

22:42

But upon looking into the case, the district attorney at

22:44

the time said that it appears to have

22:46

only been a rumor and there is no new

22:48

information or evidence in the case that would lead

22:51

to a different decision. And so

22:53

it was closed again. So basically, like,

22:55

maybe this was a murder, but at

22:57

the time they didn't have evidence of

22:59

that, whether they

23:01

didn't look for it or just didn't

23:03

have it. So there's a possibility. Yeah,

23:06

for sure. Five years after

23:08

Paul Burns' death, Jean Harlow passed

23:10

away of kidney failure at the age of

23:12

26. So did

23:14

she. She had contracted scarlet fever

23:16

as a child and doctors

23:19

believe that this had put a strain on

23:21

her kidneys ever since. However,

23:23

rumors suggest that Hallburn had

23:26

abused or even slowly poisoned

23:28

Jean while he was alive,

23:30

which resulted in her death. Other

23:33

rumors suggest that her mother was a

23:35

Christian scientist who didn't believe in

23:37

surgeries and her illness would have been

23:40

treated and she could have survived if

23:42

they had acted sooner and had

23:44

treatment and surgery. Either

23:47

way, it was a sad day for

23:50

everyone and at the MGM studio,

23:52

the entire company was shut down to

23:55

attend her funeral. The

23:58

saddest part. of

24:00

all of this was that Paul was laid

24:02

to rest in one place. His

24:05

legal wife was laid to rest

24:07

in some other place, Dorothy,

24:10

so that his new wife, Jean,

24:12

could eventually be laid with him.

24:15

But Jean married again after Paul's death. So

24:17

she was laid to rest. That's grave

24:20

moving. That's bad

24:22

energy, guys. Stop doing this. She was

24:24

laid to rest, separate

24:26

of Paul, where her new husband would be

24:29

laid. But he too remarried

24:32

before he died, so he was

24:34

not laid to rest with Jean. All

24:37

three of these people were

24:39

buried and remained alone. Oh

24:43

no. That could be a monster right there.

24:46

Which could be a reason why they might decide to

24:48

visit and haunt the last place they were. This

24:51

haunted Benedict Canyon

24:54

House. And I know that I

24:56

just told you about three deaths, but this was

24:58

only the first instance of a celebrity death being

25:00

related to this house. The

25:03

other happened 30 years later in the 1960s. In 1963,

25:05

that same house was bought and

25:07

moved into

25:11

it by a man who was actually quite

25:14

intrigued by its history. His

25:16

name was Jay Sebring.

25:19

Jay Sebring was born

25:21

Thomas John Coomer in 1933

25:24

in Birmingham, Alabama. But he grew

25:26

up in Michigan.

25:31

After graduating high school, he served in the

25:33

U.S. Navy for four years and then moved

25:35

to Los Angeles to attend beauty school and

25:38

became a hairstylist and changed his name.

25:42

Jay Sebring became a

25:44

renowned hairstylist, changing the way men's

25:46

hair was cut and styled in

25:49

Hollywood. While most

25:51

barbers were charging just a few

25:53

dollars for men's haircuts, Jay

25:55

was able to charge 50 or more

25:57

for the techniques that he knew and had

25:59

clients like Frank Sinatra and

26:01

Sammy Davis Jr. who paid

26:04

them to travel to them.

26:09

When Jay bought this haunted house in 1964, 63,

26:15

I think I just

26:17

said 63 and I changed it to 64.

26:19

How does this happen? 1963. He

26:24

had just started a new relationship

26:26

with an actress named Sharon

26:29

Tate. Don't

26:34

worry, don't worry, don't worry. I'm

26:36

not gonna go that far. I

26:38

mean, I am but I'm not. I'll get to

26:40

it. Sharon

26:43

Tate was born in January of 1943 in Texas.

26:45

As a child, she and her family moved

26:50

around a lot and she attended

26:52

school in multiple cities, Texas, Washington,

26:54

and even Italy. Her

26:56

first acting roles were in Italy after going

26:59

to a film set and catching the eye

27:01

of an actor and filmmaker, George Baemer, who

27:03

encouraged her to get into acting herself.

27:07

When she finally moved to Los Angeles

27:09

in 1962, she called Richard's agent, Richard,

27:12

George. I

27:16

don't know what I was doing.

27:18

I was probably reading a book

27:20

while I was doing this. Is

27:22

one of the characters' names? No,

27:25

definitely not. Richard

27:28

was the friend, not George Baemer.

27:31

She called Richard's, what

27:35

is it called? Grandma Agent and

27:38

he helped her to land a few gigs. Okay.

27:41

This led her to meeting Jay Sebring.

27:43

Okay. Is the theme of this

27:45

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29:25

and Jay had a great

29:27

relationship, but an even stronger

29:29

friendship. At one point,

29:31

Jay did propose to Sharon, but

29:33

she declined the marriage proposal, saying that

29:35

she intends to retire from acting when

29:37

she marries, to give her full attention

29:40

to her husband, and she's not ready to do

29:42

that yet. Even

29:44

after their relationship ended, though, the

29:46

two remained great close friends. Like

29:50

so close that her new boyfriend

29:52

in them hung out all the time. Okay.

29:57

Let's get back to the house. In

30:00

1968, Sharon was interviewed for a

30:02

magazine. In the

30:04

interview, the Hopes was asking Sharon

30:07

questions, one of which was

30:09

about psychic or supernatural experiences. Sharon

30:12

said that she had a weird dream once,

30:15

but it turned out not to be a dream,

30:18

and she didn't quite know how to explain it.

30:21

She said she was staying in

30:24

Jay Sebring's Benedict Canyon home, the

30:26

one that used to belong to Paul Byrne and

30:29

Jean Harlow, when Jay was

30:31

out of town for work. She

30:34

was in the master bedroom where Paul would have

30:36

been shot and was having a hard

30:39

time sleeping. She

30:41

said she had a funny feeling that disturbed her

30:43

and so she rolled over and turned on the

30:45

bedside lamp. When

30:47

the light was turned on, she thought

30:49

she saw something or someone moving outside

30:51

at the bedroom door. She

30:54

couldn't tell if she was awake or dreaming,

30:56

but assumed she must have been dreaming. She

31:00

watched the door and saw a

31:03

strange little man enter and

31:05

start waving all around the room. She

31:09

didn't know what Paul Byrne looked like,

31:11

but thought the figure looked like what

31:13

she had heard him described as, like

31:16

Paul Byrne's ghost. She

31:21

said he never tried to approach her, just walked

31:23

about the room, but it scared her enough to

31:25

jump out of bed and run out of the

31:28

room towards the stairs. Then

31:31

she said, again, this isn't a fucking

31:34

interview, like this is all

31:36

documented. She said, quote,

31:38

I saw something or someone tied

31:41

to the staircase, whoever

31:43

it was, and I couldn't tell

31:45

if it was a maiden or a woman, but

31:47

knew somehow that it was either

31:49

Jay Sebring or me. He

31:53

or she was cut open at the throat.

31:56

End quote. Then

31:59

that she She said she ran down the

32:01

stairs to their bar and poured herself a

32:03

drink. But while down there, something

32:05

kept telling her to pull the wallpaper off the

32:07

wall at the base of the bar. So

32:10

she did. And

32:12

then she decided she was definitely dreaming because

32:14

this was just weird. And she went back

32:17

upstairs, passed the weird creepy

32:19

thing that was tied to the railing, passed

32:22

the ghost in the bedroom, laid down

32:24

and fell right to sleep. She

32:28

said that she told Jay about the dream when she

32:30

got back from his trip and they left a weird

32:32

dream that was. She

32:36

thought she was already sleeping. Yeah, but

32:38

still. I don't like it. The

32:43

two of them laughed about how weird of a

32:45

dream that must have been. But

32:47

later they noticed that the wallpaper at the

32:49

base of the bar had been pulled up.

32:52

She had actually done that part of

32:54

the supposed dream. So

32:57

was the other stuff real? This

33:01

dream happened in 1967. In

33:06

1969, a worse reality

33:09

was faced by the two. It

33:12

didn't feel like the right time to say nice, but

33:14

nice. By

33:19

1969, Sharon and Jay were just

33:21

friends and Sharon was actually dating

33:23

another man, Roman Polinski, Polanski,

33:28

and was eight months pregnant with his child.

33:32

On August 8, 1969, Roman was out

33:34

of town for an acting gig. Sharon

33:37

was at her home that she shared

33:39

with Roman just up on the street

33:41

from Jay's Benedict Canyon home with

33:44

her friends, Jay, Loycek

33:46

and Abigail. They

33:49

had gone out to dinner together and then back

33:51

to Sharon's place. At

33:53

about midnight, a group of people from a

33:56

cult group came into Sharon's

33:58

home and began a new dream. a

34:00

killing spree. A friend

34:02

to the caretaker of the home, Steven

34:04

Parent, was shot and peeled outside the

34:06

house. Abigail tried to

34:09

escape the home and was stabbed 28 times on

34:11

the front lawn. Vojchek was

34:13

stabbed more than 50 times and shot

34:15

twice. Jay was

34:17

shot, kicked in the face, and stabbed multiple

34:19

times. And Sharon was stabbed

34:21

16 times before being

34:24

hung from a support

34:26

beam in the living room with her

34:28

on one end of the rope and

34:31

Jay on the other. Kinda

34:34

just like her dream. I

34:36

did not know any of that last

34:38

part. What?

34:40

That's horrific. Yeah.

34:43

And she had a dream about

34:45

either her or Jay hanging from

34:48

a staircase. She had a premonition that

34:50

something bad was going to happen. I'm

34:54

not going to go much farther into this

34:56

particular case because this is one that needs

34:58

its own episode or two. But

35:01

the culprits were eventually captured and

35:03

jailed. The motives, they said, had

35:05

nothing to do with the victims,

35:08

just with the house they were in, as

35:10

it was the former residents of someone they knew.

35:14

Sharon Tate, a beautiful,

35:16

blonde, talented actress, died

35:19

at the young age of 26. Just

35:23

like Jean Harlow. Stop it! Was

35:26

the dream that Sharon had at Jean's old home a premonition on

35:35

what was to come that she couldn't have changed?

35:38

Was it a warning to do something different? Or

35:41

was it a curse that was placed on

35:43

her for simply being in the haunted

35:46

house? We'll never

35:48

know. And we

35:50

see these weird curse

35:52

anomalies in history

35:54

all the time. And it's like, there's

35:57

an energy, there's a source.

36:00

bigger than we are. It

36:02

can't be explained any other way. That's super weird.

36:05

Yeah. Yeah. I was researching

36:09

celebrity crimes. What am I going to do?

36:11

And I found Gene Harlow and Paul Byrne

36:13

and I was like, okay, this is just

36:15

kind of unsolved. That's interesting. Yeah. You and

36:17

I love Hollywood too. Love that. Obviously,

36:20

when you're Googling celebrity crimes, Sharon Tate, Sharon Tate,

36:22

Sharon Tate. And I was like, I could just

36:25

buy the bullet and do the big one, but

36:27

it's a big one. I really don't want to

36:29

do all that. And then I saw Jay Sebring

36:31

owned the house, the Byrne Harlow house. And I

36:34

was like, wait a minute. What? These

36:37

are connected somehow. And then I found her

36:39

interview and I was like, oh

36:42

no, this is scary. That's

36:45

super scary. Yeah.

36:47

I love it. Ripee

36:50

Eshtit. Yeah. No kidding.

36:53

Great job. Thank you.

36:55

Also, I couldn't find who probably

36:57

because they weren't celebrities or actresses, but

37:00

also allegedly like three different people have

37:02

died in the pool at that house.

37:05

So he was haunted as fuck. Why

37:08

would they burn that house to the ground?

37:10

Yeah. I was trying to figure out if they were blonde

37:14

26 year olds, but I don't know who

37:16

they were. So that would be insane if

37:18

they were. I guess,

37:20

yeah, it's not public knowledge at that

37:22

point when people mysteriously die in their

37:25

own homes. But yeah, weird.

37:29

I like, we

37:31

talk about paranormal stuff all the time.

37:33

I'm like, paranormal energy can hold onto

37:35

an object or a place or a,

37:38

like just a part

37:40

of time. Like I just, maybe

37:43

it's time to let this house

37:45

go. Hollywood. Maybe it's time. I

37:48

mean, I think, I thought that they did after

37:50

events at first, but

37:53

I guess not. That wasn't in that

37:55

house. The dream. Right. It's down

37:57

the street. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Down the street.

38:00

at that Roman Polanski's house, and they did

38:02

tear it down and rebuild

38:04

from scratch. That, yeah. Okay,

38:06

that's what I was thinking, but they didn't

38:08

tear down this house that

38:10

had weird deaths involved? Yeah.

38:14

Oh, creeping dreams. Yeah,

38:17

I'm on a tear that bitch down

38:20

mindset right now with our

38:22

serial killer research. So I'm just like, stop

38:25

trying to, just tear it down.

38:27

It's just better that way.

38:29

It's gotta go, like the Chris

38:31

Watts house, tear it down. Like just

38:35

stop trying to sell it. Just let

38:38

it go because this kind of

38:40

stuff happens. And that's super weird.

38:44

It is super weird. I find it weird to do. And

38:48

I was thinking for a second, like, okay, maybe

38:50

the Manson

38:52

family saw that interview and

38:57

they purposefully made this

38:59

thing that way. And

39:03

you can't fucking trust the Manson's family. But

39:05

they said- They were high as shit. I

39:07

don't think they retained anything. Well,

39:09

also they said that they didn't plan

39:12

to kill Sharon Tate specifically. They planned to

39:14

kill whoever was in that house. The

39:16

motivation was not Sharon Tate. That ad was gonna

39:18

do either. Yeah. That's

39:22

true. But again, you can't trust

39:24

them. Who knows? I

39:27

don't know. Anybody that's willing to carve

39:29

symbols into their own forehead should be

39:31

listed. But we will

39:33

get there at some point, but great

39:36

job. Oh my God. That's

39:38

amazing. Well,

39:41

you know what? Since we've touched on it today,

39:43

listeners, let us know. Do we

39:45

consider the Manson family a cults or

39:47

serial killer? Because

39:50

some podcasts have covered it one way and some

39:52

podcasts have covered it another way. So curious

39:55

to know what you guys think and how we should cover

39:57

it. There we go. Yeah.

40:00

And we read your

40:02

messages about suggestions. Thank

40:04

you. Definitely. Um,

40:06

oh, I don't

40:09

even know what to do with myself right now. I

40:12

love, that's my Roman

40:17

Empire is old Hollywood. I just love

40:19

the glam and the glitz of it

40:21

all. I love like the 1920s was

40:23

my favorite era. I just, when

40:28

I have my own podcast studio,

40:30

my goal is to have like

40:34

a bad ass ladies, like art

40:37

wall of like all of

40:39

Thomas's like model shots, like

40:41

a couple of them. Yeah.

40:44

Monroe. Cause I think it's

40:46

cool. I think that they're people

40:48

to look up to in some way cause

40:50

they paved the way for everybody else coming

40:52

in now. Right. And also we

40:55

should never word to the wise,

40:57

go back to the 1930s eyebrows slash the 1990s eyebrows

41:03

of looking them super thin. Please never

41:05

do that again. If

41:07

anyone is listening to this at a hundred years,

41:09

please mark my words. Don't do it. It's

41:13

not a good look, not a good look. I'm

41:15

pretty sure that's coming back. No,

41:17

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41:20

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42:22

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42:25

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42:29

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42:57

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42:59

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43:01

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43:03

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43:06

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43:08

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43:10

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