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Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you? I'm doing good,

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man. How about yourself? I'm doing really good. You

2:09

know, before I forget, I want

2:11

to tell everybody that you and I are taking

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a vacation next week. We are. Um,

2:16

I think pretty well deserved. I don't know. We

2:18

don't take many of them, but you know,

2:20

we figured it's about halfway in the

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middle of the year. That's right. It's

2:25

the 4th of July weekend and

2:28

it's good time. Yeah. To take off

2:30

and then we'll probably take another one off

2:32

around Christmas like we normally do. I

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hope you got me a nice room where we're

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not, we're not doing anything together. So

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don't even put that out there. That's not good. Um,

2:41

but it, it should be

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a good time to, to try

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to recharge. We have so much

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out Gibbs right now on

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Saturday, we dropped the new patron episodes

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on the murder of Jacob Hendershott. Jacob

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went to Florida in 2011 to

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reconnect with his biological mother.

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He met a girl there

3:03

that they started dating.

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A few weeks later he went missing. You

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the relationship with this girl. She claimed

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she was a vampire and there's

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a whole lot, a lot going

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on, a lot going on in that episode. And

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then on TCAT, we have an episode out

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on Roswell Gilbert

3:23

and a very different type

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Roswell was convicted of murdering

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his wife of 51 years.

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The prosecution, you know, said

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that he planned it. His wife suffered

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from Alzheimer's and had osteoporosis.

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He said it was a mercy killing. And

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true crime all the time unsolved I'm ready we're

5:00

talking about the unsolved murder

5:03

of Alyssa Hummel

5:04

Alyssa Hummel went fishing by

5:07

herself on June 1st 2015 she kept her friends

5:11

updated about what she was doing via

5:14

snapchats and texts less

5:16

than an hour after her last communication

5:19

Alyssa was found dead in the Missouri

5:22

River and eight years later her murder

5:24

remains unsolved

5:25

Alyssa Hummel was born on June 27th 1985

5:29

her parents are Laura

5:31

Fulkars-Gilliam and

5:34

James Wand Alyssa and

5:36

her sister Erica Camp were

5:38

raised by her grandparents Jane

5:40

and Dwayne Fulkars in Sioux City

5:43

Iowa

5:43

Alyssa graduated high school in 2004 she graduated

5:46

from South Dakota

5:49

State University with a BS in human

5:51

professions and clinical

5:53

sciences human development

5:55

and family studies psychology

5:58

that's a lot it is a whole lot going

6:00

on there. After graduation,

6:02

she continued studying and

6:05

got another BS in communication disorders

6:08

at the University of South Dakota. I also

6:10

have a BS in communication. That's

6:13

funny, because

6:13

I'm pretty sure that's what my daughter has.

6:16

I know you don't. You are

6:18

a BS in communication. Exactly.

6:21

I got a different BS. Disorders.

6:23

Laurie Gilliam told the Des Moines

6:25

Register that Alicia loves school

6:27

and would have gone to school her whole

6:30

life, if she could have. Alicia's

6:32

grandmother Jan told Dateline that she

6:34

was proud of how much Alicia

6:37

loved to learn. There are certain

6:39

people just love school and just love

6:41

to keep learning, learning, learning, learning, and

6:44

I get it. Not me,

6:46

personally? Not me either. But I know people

6:48

that are like that. Yeah. So there are

6:51

people that, if they could, would spend

6:53

their whole life

6:55

in academia in whatever

6:58

way. Teaching, going

7:01

to school, and just keep getting degrees and

7:03

degrees and degrees. For me, it was always,

7:06

how do I get through this? How do

7:08

I get done with this so that I can keep

7:10

going? Move to the next step.

7:13

Yeah. On June 30, 2011, Alicia married Tony Hummel. Her

7:15

friend Bethany Svezina introduced

7:18

the

7:21

pair in high school.

7:23

Alicia was looking into getting a master's

7:25

degree at the time of her death. Her

7:27

friend Jody Hansen told Dateline that

7:30

Alicia loved children so much she

7:32

decided to get a teaching job at

7:35

a preschool. She had been working at

7:37

Sooland Family Center in Dakota

7:40

City since 2013.

7:42

She taught early Head Start classes

7:45

for infants and toddlers. Alicia

7:47

loved her job and looked forward to going

7:49

to work every day.

7:51

Now if that is true,

7:52

if you're a person

7:54

who absolutely loves your job and

7:57

you get up in the morning bubbly

7:59

just thinking about... getting to work. That

8:01

is great. That is great. That is not most

8:03

people. It is not. It was never

8:06

me. Well, that's for sure. First

8:08

of all, I'm not a very good morning

8:10

person. It takes me six cups

8:13

of coffee before I'm even tolerable.

8:15

Yeah. Let's be 100%

8:17

accurate. Everybody

8:19

at the office knew when you came in,

8:22

pretty much just leave you alone. Just

8:24

give me a little bit. Let you get your coffee

8:27

at the office. And we don't know how much you had before you

8:29

even came there, but we knew you had to get that

8:31

coffee at the office and before you were presented

8:34

with any problems. Yeah. When I was working,

8:36

I never drank coffee at home. I always drank

8:38

it at the office. So I didn't have any in

8:40

me. So it wasn't a good tactic.

8:43

Alicia was loved by

8:45

everyone who knew her. Her friend, Amanda

8:48

Abram told the Sioux city journal that she

8:50

became close with Alicia because they

8:53

helped each other through some tough times.

8:55

Amanda said that Alicia had a happy

8:58

and bubbly personality. She was able

9:00

to stay positive and keep smiling

9:02

no matter what was going on in her life. Other

9:05

said that Alicia was loving, loyal,

9:07

and was a trusting person who always saw

9:10

the best in people.

9:11

All right. So a lot of great

9:13

things said about Alicia

9:16

Hummel. I used to say, well, what

9:19

are people going to say exactly about someone

9:21

who goes missing and is found murdered

9:24

and all that, but we've done at least

9:26

a few episodes

9:28

where people have come out and said some pretty horrible

9:30

thing about the victims.

9:32

It's not the norm, but

9:35

you know, it does sound like she was a very

9:37

personable person. She loved

9:40

her job. People loved her and she

9:42

got along with people, you know, to

9:45

stay positive, to stay bubbly,

9:48

no matter what is going on in your life.

9:51

That's not the easiest thing to do. It's

9:53

not, you know, a lot of us

9:55

kind of wear our motions on

9:57

our sleeves or, you know, on the outside. outside

10:01

on that way. I have a hard time

10:03

smiling through something that's going really

10:07

wrong in my life. It's hard for me.

10:10

It is hard for you and others,

10:12

you know, and

10:13

there's those people that do bottle it up and act like

10:15

everything's happy. Yeah. You

10:18

know, and, and, and, you know, that's not good

10:20

either though, because eventually those

10:22

feelings go somewhere or they need to go somewhere.

10:24

They're going to break out and something bad's

10:26

going to happen.

10:27

Bethany told state line, people get so

10:29

wrapped up in their own lives. They forget to

10:32

be there for others. Alicia

10:34

didn't. She always made time for those she loved,

10:36

even when she may have needed their support

10:39

more than they needed her and

10:41

that's kind of an amazing statement

10:44

about somebody. You know, I know

10:46

people like that, sure that they're

10:49

so giving of themselves that

10:52

they are more apt to kind of come

10:54

to your aid when they know that you're

10:56

not doing well, than

10:59

they are to ask for help when

11:01

they're not doing well. Right. Yeah. Um,

11:04

now you can say that's good and bad. Cause

11:06

I think it is, but it

11:08

seems like that's the type of person

11:11

that she was. It was also said

11:13

that she had a lot of hobbies. She enjoyed

11:15

scrapbooking, going to concerts

11:17

and participated in

11:19

the Sioux city roller dames

11:22

roller derby team. Those

11:24

are fun. I used to watch, uh,

11:27

what was it? The Bay city rollers or

11:29

then they used to have roller derby on TV.

11:31

They did.

11:32

And I used to watch, I was fascinated by it.

11:34

There's actually a, uh, uh, Derby

11:37

team in Dayton. Is there? Yeah. I don't know

11:39

if it's real

11:40

or if it's more like professional wrestling.

11:43

Cause there seem to be a lot of theatrics going

11:45

on in the roller derby

11:48

scene, or if it's kind of

11:50

half and half, I really don't know. I think there needs

11:52

to be some type of show. Yeah. There's gotta

11:54

be some, if you want an audience

11:56

to show up. So I kind of thought it was part

11:58

professional wrestling.

11:59

where, you know, there's people

12:02

getting hit, but they're not getting hit the

12:04

way that you would think they are and controlled.

12:07

You have to learn how to do it and how

12:09

to fall. Right.

12:10

I couldn't do it though. Cause I can't roller skate. I used

12:13

to be able to when I was little, but

12:15

not anymore. Somehow

12:18

I've lost coordination. The older I've

12:20

got. Yeah, that happens.

12:22

It was also sad that Alicia loved to

12:24

spend time outdoors doing things like camping

12:27

and fishing. She enjoyed fishing

12:29

to find peace of mind according to

12:31

the Sioux city journal. So

12:34

now this is something that I can really relate

12:36

to. I used to

12:38

play golf and find

12:41

that to be somewhat peaceful. If

12:43

I was playing halfway decent, but you

12:46

know, I've got some bad shoulders. I can't

12:48

play golf anymore. I do find

12:50

a lot of peace and fishing.

12:52

Yeah. You know, you're, you're out on the water.

12:55

Sometimes my daughter and I will go, we

12:57

don't have to talk a lot

12:59

and it's just relaxing. It's

13:01

peaceful. It's been something consistent

13:03

in your life. I think fishing. I've fished

13:05

since I was a little kid.

13:07

It was not uncommon for Alicia

13:09

to go fishing by herself.

13:11

According to Bethany's Fisina,

13:14

Alicia liked to go on spontaneous

13:17

adventures. For example, in the past

13:19

she had suddenly decided to go to concerts

13:21

a few hours from home or to

13:24

travel to a shrine in Nebraska.

13:27

So the Siena told the Des Moines register,

13:29

her life was very much by the moment,

13:32

very much spontaneity. She

13:34

just went with things. Alicia's

13:36

grandmother Jan Fulkers told kilo

13:39

land news that Alicia had no fear, which

13:41

was why she didn't hesitate

13:43

to go places alone. You

13:45

know what? And nothing wrong with that.

13:47

You know, I mean, sometimes you got to

13:50

just be happy with who you are and what

13:52

you want to do. And it sounds like that's what she was

13:54

doing. Yeah. I

13:56

will say that I don't know

13:59

a lot of people. like this. You

14:01

know, a lot of people in my life are

14:03

very scheduled. You know, they like to

14:05

schedule things and they like

14:07

to have a plan. There's not many people

14:10

in my life that come to me and say, Hey,

14:12

in five minutes we're driving two

14:14

states over to go see the biggest ball of

14:17

twine. That does not happen

14:20

very often. No. Now when people

14:22

say she had no fear,

14:24

I think that's a good thing and a bad thing.

14:26

It can be both. Yeah. I don't think a little

14:29

fear is, is such a bad thing

14:31

because if you're completely

14:33

without fear,

14:34

then are

14:35

you on guard? Do you even know what's going

14:38

on around you because you have no fear whatsoever

14:40

of anything bad happening to you

14:43

now by the same token,

14:45

you can't live your life in fear. No, you can't.

14:48

To the point where it stops you from

14:50

doing things and debilitates

14:52

you. But I think a little fear

14:54

is good. Yeah. That way you at least have your head on a

14:57

swivel. Exactly. Alicia and her

14:59

husband, Tony separated in 2014 and

15:02

we're preparing to get divorced. Alicia

15:04

was living with her grandparents in 2015.

15:08

Amanda Abram told the Sioux city journal

15:10

that at the time of Alicia's death,

15:12

she was finally on the path to find her

15:15

own happiness after everything

15:17

that she had just went through.

15:18

And then that was just taken away from

15:20

her. I mean,

15:21

she didn't really get to fulfill

15:24

any of it. And you know,

15:26

we say this about so many victims,

15:28

you know, especially younger victims

15:31

because they have so much

15:33

life to live. And I think we're

15:35

going to see the same thing with Alicia.

15:37

Then there's that whole question of, okay,

15:40

what would they have gone on to do? It

15:42

sounds like she was really starting kind of a new chapter

15:45

in

15:45

her life after the divorce

15:48

and just kind of getting back on track, figuring

15:51

out who she was.

15:52

Alicia's 30th birthday was coming

15:54

up in June, 2015. She

15:57

had plans to go out for the night with

15:59

friends in.

15:59

Sioux city.

16:01

According to the news website and forum,

16:04

Alicia had just accepted a new position

16:06

and had a month off work between

16:08

jobs. Other sources make it seem

16:10

like Alicia was on summer vacation from

16:13

her job at the family center. So there's

16:15

a little bit of

16:16

conflicting information out there, but I

16:19

think whichever one it was,

16:23

she wasn't working at the time she

16:25

had some time off. And she was going to enjoy

16:27

that time. Yes.

16:29

On June 1st, 2015, Alicia

16:32

went fishing in Myron Grove,

16:34

also known as the Highline area of

16:36

Clay County, South Dakota. Alicia

16:38

had been to this area by herself in the past.

16:41

As far as anyone knows, Alicia

16:43

went fishing alone that day.

16:45

Clay County, South Dakota. My

16:47

family is from Clay County, Kentucky. Coincidence?

16:51

No, just a fun fact. Just a

16:53

fun fact. Have you ever been to South Dakota? No,

16:55

I never have. Oh, okay.

16:57

I never have. You need to get there. I

16:59

do. I do. There's a lot of places

17:01

I need to go that I have not been to in the

17:03

United States. Just have to

17:05

find your way out of this basement. That is

17:07

true. That's the first step. That's the first step.

17:10

Well, the first step is admitting I have a problem. That's

17:12

true. The second step is getting out of this basement.

17:14

Yeah. On May 31st, 2015, Alicia

17:18

posted on Facebook, I want to

17:20

go fishing at 10 53 AM. The

17:23

next day she posted first

17:25

day of vacay. I'm going fishing.

17:28

Alicia left from her grandparents

17:31

house. Jan told Dateline about

17:33

Alicia's decision to go fishing saying

17:36

she knew the divorce was coming closer and

17:38

just wanted some time away for herself

17:41

to think.

17:42

And that's one thing that I think fishing

17:44

really offers you, especially if you go

17:46

alone. Sure. There's a ton of solace

17:49

there. You got

17:50

plenty of time to think or reflect

17:52

on life and decisions and you

17:55

don't need to check your iPhone.

17:57

You don't need to have some.

18:00

Something blaring you just sit

18:02

there. Star out that water. Exactly.

18:05

Watch your bobber. But the other

18:07

thing about this case that we've

18:09

seen in cases that we've done that

18:11

are more recent is

18:13

that social media aspect,

18:16

right? People are tracked

18:19

by their social media posts,

18:22

times, days. They're

18:24

actually saying what they're getting ready to do. You

18:26

wouldn't have had that in the past, you know,

18:29

pre social media. Of course not. No. What

18:31

you would have had is, okay,

18:34

so-and-so called me on the phone and said

18:36

they were going to do that. Right.

18:38

Or someone left a note on the table. Hey, yeah,

18:40

gone fishing. Yep, exactly.

18:42

On her way out, she asked her grandfather

18:44

if he would help her clean the fish she caught

18:47

once she got home. This was the last time

18:49

her grandparents saw her a lot.

18:52

And I always think about that.

18:53

You know, unfortunately in every one of

18:55

these cases, there's always

18:58

a last time. Yeah.

18:59

That a loved one saw

19:02

the victim alive. And

19:04

in that moment,

19:05

that would have been such a benign

19:09

conversation.

19:10

Yeah. Right. Hey, will you help me clean

19:12

the fish? Yeah, sure. No problem.

19:14

And that's the end of it. Never dreaming

19:16

that that's going to be the last conversation

19:19

you have. Those last words that you would

19:22

hear from her. Yeah. With that person,

19:24

Alicia texted Amanda Abrams daughter

19:27

Angel to ask if she wanted to join her.

19:29

According to the Sioux city journal, Angel

19:31

said she would come later.

19:33

She waited for Alicia to reply, but

19:35

she never did.

19:36

Angel said that Alicia

19:39

likely decided to go fishing without

19:41

her and possibly meet up later. This

19:43

was normal for her to do. Alicia

19:46

often posted about her day on social

19:48

media apps like Facebook and Snapchat.

19:51

She posted Snapchat stories

19:54

and sent snaps to friends that day.

19:56

One of her first Snapchat stories

19:58

of the day was a picture. of her fishing

20:00

pole sticking out of her sunroof with

20:03

the text, when your pole

20:05

doesn't fit in your car. Kind of like

20:07

that. Kind of funny. Yeah.

20:09

She also took a picture as she was driving

20:12

into South Dakota at 12 51 PM.

20:15

She sent a message saying that she

20:18

couldn't find her tackle box

20:20

at 1 0 6 PM. Alicia stopped

20:23

at Walmart in Vermillion,

20:25

South Dakota to buy a fishing license

20:27

at one 19. She sent a text about

20:30

the person who gave her the license. The

20:32

worker said he hoped she caught a big

20:35

one.

20:35

Okay. So she really was a

20:37

person who was into kind of

20:41

documenting everything. It sounds like

20:43

either through text

20:45

or Snapchat or on Facebook

20:48

or whatever it is. She took a third

20:50

picture as she entered Myron Grove

20:52

with the text. Finally, I've been waiting

20:55

since fall.

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23:02

Alicia took a few Snapchat selfies

23:05

on a boat dock in Myron Grove. No

23:07

one else was seen in these photos.

23:09

Alicia sent a Snapchat of the dock

23:12

at Myron Grove at 1.30 p.m.

23:14

Then at 1.45, Alicia

23:17

sent a text to a friend stating that she

23:19

saw two people having sex in a car.

23:22

According to Sulan Proud, she

23:24

wrote, apparently it's a nice day to get

23:26

it on in the car midday

23:28

to LMAO. So

23:31

midday rendezvous at some

23:34

dock for this couple

23:36

in the car. I guess so. Maybe

23:38

they didn't expect anybody to be there. I

23:41

don't know why not. It was like 1.45 in the afternoon. At

23:45

a major. It wasn't three o'clock in

23:47

the morning.

23:48

But then less than an hour later,

23:51

Alicia's body was found in the

23:53

water.

23:54

So I think it's part of the reason why some

23:57

of this digital information is so important.

23:59

Sure. Is there anything so far

24:02

that, that really

24:03

points us in a direction? Well, no,

24:06

but

24:06

it does kind of give a timeline

24:08

of where she was, what she

24:10

was doing at these certain points in time during

24:12

the day, which you

24:15

would think in any investigation would be very helpful. Sure.

24:18

Because at least you have what

24:19

might appear to be a starting time.

24:22

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's better

24:24

than nothing. Yeah. Absolutely. Alicia's

24:27

body was found near the boat dock at Myron

24:29

Grove. The one that was shown

24:32

in a Snapchat photo. The dock

24:34

is located in a remote area along the Missouri

24:36

river, seven miles west

24:39

of Vermillion, South Dakota, a

24:41

game fish and wildlife boat

24:43

ramp attendant

24:44

found her in the water around 2pm.

24:47

Both the state worker who found Alicia

24:49

and a nearby resident saw a vehicle

24:52

leaving the area.

24:54

So is that, you know, a possible

24:56

clue or is that just somebody who

24:58

was there and knows nothing

25:00

about it? You don't know.

25:02

Just like these people having sex in the car. Is that

25:04

important? Yeah,

25:06

we don't know, right? Where they, did they see something?

25:09

Could they have been involved? We

25:12

don't know. Yeah.

25:12

Were they having a tryst

25:15

and saw that

25:17

they got caught and panicked?

25:19

You know, a lot of things go through your mind

25:22

as possible theories. And

25:24

I think in these cases, you

25:26

never want to just throw anything

25:29

out until you know what it means. The

25:31

problem is

25:32

we don't know what a lot of this means

25:34

and neither do the authorities.

25:36

Alicia's car keys were found on the front

25:39

seat of her vehicle. The window was

25:41

down. Her

25:42

fishing pole was missing and

25:44

has never been found

25:46

as far as the public knows. So if it,

25:48

that has been found, it's something that the police

25:50

haven't disclosed. There

25:52

was about 15 minutes between

25:54

Alicia's last text and the time she was found

25:57

Clay County Sheriff Andy Howe told me that she was there.

25:59

in form in 2021,

26:03

we believe that we have a very narrow

26:05

timeframe between her arriving in

26:07

the area, her being killed,

26:10

and her being discovered. A very

26:12

narrow timeframe. And I would

26:14

say that's true based on the

26:16

communications that she sent out

26:19

and the time that her body was found. I mean, 15

26:21

minutes. A lot can happen in 15

26:24

minutes? A lot.

26:25

But in the grand scheme of things, it's a very

26:27

short amount of time

26:29

as it relates to, you know, a murder investigation

26:32

for sure.

26:33

Hal also said that the game

26:35

fish and wildlife employee who found

26:37

Alicia's body was not named, but

26:39

he was questioned and was helpful

26:41

to investigators. He gave a description

26:44

of a vehicle that he saw before he found

26:46

Alicia, but could not identify

26:48

the make and model.

26:49

And I do think that's a tough thing

26:52

for many people. You know, a lot of people are

26:54

not good with makes and models

26:56

of cars. So some people are great.

26:59

My father-in-law could tell you

27:02

every car from like the 1930s

27:05

to the, to now. Yeah. I

27:07

swear. You know, we go to a car show

27:09

or something. He's like,

27:12

that's a 1934 gram

27:14

with a something, something engine,

27:16

ZZ top carburetor. I don't

27:18

even know what he's talking about.

27:20

He knows his cars. He does. Alicia's

27:23

family and friends reported her missing

27:25

at 5.20 PM. They learned

27:27

about her death by 10 30 that evening,

27:30

Amanda Abram recalled hearing from

27:32

friends who were saying no one had heard

27:34

from Alicia in a while. Amanda told the Sue

27:37

city journal. She was one of those people

27:39

who was attached to her phone.

27:41

She hoped that Alicia accidentally dropped

27:43

her phone in the water and that was why she

27:46

stopped communicating with her friends. She

27:48

was known for being somewhat clumsy.

27:51

Yeah. There are those people that just cannot put

27:53

their phone down, you know, that it's in

27:56

their hands while they're eating dinner,

27:59

why they're when they work,

28:01

when they do this, they do that. So I

28:03

get it, you know, their friends are probably like, man,

28:06

just take a break from that for a little

28:08

bit. But hopefully it falls in the water, you can't use it. Well,

28:11

but to me, there's two different types

28:13

of those people. There's one type

28:16

who's just glued to TikTok

28:19

or Instagram or

28:22

visual things, but they're not actually

28:24

communicating. My daughters

28:26

fall into that category. They

28:28

don't communicate with anyone. They're just watching.

28:31

But they're just watching something all the

28:33

time.

28:33

Now it sounds to me as though

28:36

Alicia was glued to her phone, but

28:38

she was very much a communicator,

28:41

texting, Snapchatting,

28:43

you know, posting on Facebook, things like that.

28:46

And so for a person like that,

28:49

if you don't hear from them, you

28:52

know, somebody that is constantly

28:54

posting or texting or whatever, well,

28:56

yeah, you're gonna start to worry a little bit. Yeah,

28:59

you're gonna ask, what's going on? What's happened?

29:01

If I don't receive a text from my daughter in

29:03

a day or two,

29:04

I'm not worried because I'm

29:07

not expecting one. Yeah, she doesn't text you a

29:09

lot. She's not a great communicator

29:11

as far as texts or calls

29:13

go.

29:14

You don't get a text from your wife though. If

29:17

my wife doesn't call me on the way home from work,

29:19

then I'm worried. Sure. Because

29:22

it's like, it's a routine. It's like, it's known, right?

29:24

As soon as she gets in the car, she's calling

29:26

you.

29:27

Alicia's grandparents received a call

29:29

from a detective informing them

29:31

about her death. Jan Fulkers told

29:34

Kilo Land News, he broke

29:36

up and he said,

29:37

we're going to catch this son, this

29:40

SOB. He stopped himself.

29:42

Authorities investigated Alicia's

29:45

death as a homicide. Her autopsy

29:47

was performed on June 2nd, but

29:49

the results were not immediately available.

29:52

Clay County Sheriff Andy, how said Alicia's

29:55

husband, Tony was not a suspect.

29:57

According to the Sioux city journal, Tony

29:59

had a

29:59

an alibi.

30:00

He was in Pierre, South Dakota

30:03

at the time Alicia was murdered. According

30:05

to Kilo Land News, Pierre

30:08

is about a four hour drive

30:10

from Vermilion, South Dakota.

30:13

Okay, so that gives him a pretty decent alibi,

30:15

I think. Yeah, four hours given

30:18

that timeframe. So what's special

30:20

about Pierre? I don't know. I

30:22

think it's the capital of South Dakota. Is it? I

30:25

think so. I don't know. For some reason, I think

30:27

it is. I don't know. I think it's going to be really

30:29

good with capitals, but...

30:30

I've only been to Mitchell, South Dakota. I've

30:32

never heard of that. But I think this is important

30:35

to the investigation, right? Because

30:37

Tony's going to be looked at very

30:39

quickly. Of course, yeah. Husband

30:42

going through a divorce. Definitely

30:44

going to be on police radar.

30:46

Tony declined to give a comment

30:48

to the Sioux City Journal after Alicia

30:50

was killed. Bethany Spasina

30:53

would later tell Kilo Land News

30:55

in 2021. You just hope

30:57

it's really bad coincidence that

31:00

they were talking about divorce and they were

31:02

going to go potentially sign

31:05

papers in the next week.

31:06

And again, that right there is going

31:09

to make him a person of interest.

31:11

Just those circumstances alone. On

31:14

top of the fact that, you know, husband,

31:17

soon to be ex-husband. But

31:19

then you add on that you're getting

31:21

ready to sign papers next

31:23

week. Okay. The timing is

31:26

not good. But Alicia has a good alibi.

31:28

You know, we've seen

31:30

other cases where it looked like it was a good alibi,

31:33

then it alibi eventually fell apart.

31:35

But

31:36

currently, as it stands right

31:38

now in the case, alibi looks pretty good

31:40

to the authorities. It does.

31:42

South Dakota authorities were searching

31:44

for a dark sedan with tinted windows

31:47

and a loud exhaust system that may

31:49

be connected to the case. As we mentioned

31:52

earlier, witnesses reported the vehicle

31:54

in the area around the time of

31:56

Alicia's death. Investigators

31:58

were also searching for a dark sedan.

31:59

for her cell phone.

32:02

Sheriff Howe said on June 3rd, as

32:05

quoted by the Sioux City Journal,

32:07

there are several people we'd like to talk

32:09

to, but there isn't anybody I'd

32:11

name as a suspect at this time.

32:13

And I think you have to be really careful about

32:16

calling someone a suspect.

32:19

I think so. Strong. Sure it is. To

32:21

come out and say that, you can

32:24

say there are people that are

32:26

persons of interest or this person or this

32:28

person we'd like to talk to.

32:30

Howe said the people in the car were

32:32

not necessarily suspects, but

32:35

they wanted to talk to them to ask if they

32:37

saw anything suspicious. Alicia's

32:40

preliminary autopsy findings were made

32:43

public. On June 9th, it was

32:45

determined that she suffered blunt force

32:47

trauma to the head and incision

32:50

wounds to the neck.

32:51

Okay. Learning a little bit more?

32:54

Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, very

32:58

descriptive, I would say. Doesn't

33:00

necessarily tell us how she

33:02

died, but obviously incision

33:05

to me means instrument. Now

33:09

maybe I'm right on that. Maybe I'm wrong.

33:12

I don't think a medical examiner would call,

33:14

you

33:14

know, falling into

33:17

the water and cutting yourself on

33:19

the side of the dock. Right. An

33:22

incision wound. Maybe, maybe they

33:24

would. Could you hit your head on a rock

33:27

and therefore get blunt force trauma

33:29

and drown and all of that? I

33:31

don't know. I'm taking incision wound

33:34

to be like a cut made

33:36

by a man-made instrument.

33:39

That's

33:39

why I'm taking it as well.

33:40

Investigators still didn't have her

33:43

cell phone at this point, but Sheriff Howe said

33:45

several unidentified pieces of evidence

33:48

were being processed in this state crime

33:50

lab. Well, I think the cell phone would

33:52

be a big piece of

33:54

evidence there to have. Well, me

33:56

too. And I was potentially kind

33:58

of thinking that.

34:00

She was such an avid poster

34:03

and it sounds like she took a lot of pictures.

34:06

Could there possibly

34:08

be a picture on that phone? Maybe

34:10

even a movie, a quick video, right?

34:13

Maybe it was a picture of these,

34:15

of the car, of the people that

34:17

were, you know, having sex in the car or

34:20

we don't know, but I'm with you. There

34:23

could be a very important

34:25

piece of evidence

34:26

on June 24th, 2015. The

34:29

authorities released new information about

34:31

Alicia's final autopsy report.

34:34

Alicia died of drowning

34:36

with contributing circumstances

34:38

of blunt force head injuries and

34:40

an incised wound on her neck. According

34:42

to a release from the South Dakota

34:45

attorney general's office, she tested

34:47

negative for alcohol or controlled

34:50

substances. So there's not much

34:53

new there other than she died

34:55

of drowning. They list the

34:57

contributing circumstances,

35:00

uh, blunt force trauma

35:02

and this incised wound on her

35:05

neck, which I'm still not sure

35:07

about exactly what that

35:09

entails. But the important thing

35:12

is that she died of drowning. So was

35:14

she knocked out, fell into the

35:16

water or placed in the water and then

35:18

obviously that's when the drowning it. Yeah.

35:21

Or did she fall in the water, hit her head?

35:23

I mean, you know,

35:24

you can look at it a couple of different ways. Investigators

35:27

have not released Alicia's autopsy

35:30

to her family after the release

35:32

of her official cause of death.

35:34

Sheriff Andy Howe said there were

35:37

no suspects, but they were checking Alicia's

35:39

phone records, suspicious vehicles

35:42

and tips. He confirmed again,

35:44

that Tony Hummel was not a suspect.

35:47

According

35:47

to the Sioux city journal, how said

35:49

it was obvious that there was an assault.

35:52

Although the injuries from the assault,

35:55

didn't cause her death. Although I'm

35:57

certain that they may have contributed to

35:59

the drowning. He also noted we're

36:01

following up on quite a few leads. It's

36:04

very time consuming. We're fairly

36:06

active

36:07

at this point. Okay.

36:08

All good things, right? You want to hear that

36:11

from the

36:12

police. Sure. We're following up on

36:14

leads were active. But

36:15

the other important thing is that he's coming

36:18

out and saying, this was no

36:20

accident, right? Very obvious

36:23

in his words that there was

36:25

an assault. There's a crime here. Yes.

36:28

In 2016, local

36:31

college students found Alicia's purse

36:33

on a sandbar in the river. Her cash

36:36

credit cards and other personal items

36:38

were still inside,

36:39

but her cell phone was missing. So

36:42

it's kind of amazing that they found it, you

36:44

know, the next year. And

36:47

to me, this kind of probably rules out robbery

36:50

as the motive because there's cash

36:53

there. There's,

36:54

and that alone to me kind of rules

36:57

it out. So you're right. Yeah. It doesn't sound like it's robbery.

36:59

You know, it just makes you wonder how did the purse

37:02

get there? Was it just on her person

37:04

when she fell in the water and eventually found

37:06

its way to the sandbar or does

37:09

somebody toss it towards that direction?

37:12

Or yeah. Place it in the water in a, in a strategic

37:16

location. We don't know. There

37:18

were still no arrests or official suspects.

37:20

A year after Alicia

37:22

was murdered, Clay County Sheriff Andy

37:24

Howe assured the public that tips were still

37:27

coming in. He told the Sioux city

37:29

journal, we're following up on a lot

37:31

of tips and leads that are pointed at

37:33

certain people. It's something we're working

37:36

on so often. It's still an active

37:38

case.

37:39

You know, it has to be frustrating though. There

37:41

was a 15 minute window of time

37:44

of opportunity and here we are just a

37:46

little more than a year later with

37:48

no answers. Well, you know, I think

37:50

one of the big problems is this

37:53

wasn't an area teaming with

37:56

people.

37:56

So you're not going to have a ton of witnesses.

38:00

You

38:00

had a couple people who said they saw

38:02

you know a car and they

38:04

didn't give much of a description of

38:07

the car not like you had a license plate

38:09

number didn't have the making model.

38:12

I did think it was interesting that you

38:14

know the sheriff came out and said that. Lot

38:17

of tips and leads coming in but he

38:19

said they're pointed at certain

38:22

people so the question that ran through my

38:24

mind was are they getting a lot

38:26

of tips about. A few people

38:28

right or

38:30

does each tip naming

38:32

somebody different we don't know. They're

38:35

really holding everything pretty close

38:37

to the vest aren't they.

38:38

Which I think is fairly normal we talk about

38:41

it quite a bit

38:42

you know in an unsolved case how

38:44

much do you really want to put out there

38:47

it's a fine line right you gotta put some

38:50

stuff out because you need the

38:52

public's help you need the leads and

38:54

tips. But

38:55

you don't want to put anything out

38:58

that would you know maybe name

39:00

someone or obviously

39:03

hurt the investigation in any way

39:05

right.

39:07

How said he could not comment

39:09

on the lab analysis of evidence crime

39:12

scene he did say that his office

39:14

had received help from the south decoded

39:17

division of criminal investigation.

39:19

In the fbi for help with profiling

39:23

DNA evidence and compiling

39:25

psychological

39:27

profiles.

39:28

My first thought is a psychological

39:30

profile is probably going to be pretty

39:33

tough I think so in this one

39:35

I just don't know that you have a lot to go

39:37

on. Alicia's friends jody

39:39

hansen and bathenese for zina

39:42

set up a facebook page called fighting

39:44

for justice for alicia hummel to

39:46

raise awareness about her case this pages

39:49

still active. Two more years past

39:52

without any real new information in the

39:54

case

39:55

that he said in a phone interview with

39:57

the dumwoyne register in two thousand

39:59

eighteen. We

40:00

don't have any more news than we did

40:02

on June 1st, 2015.

40:04

That's the hardest part. We don't have answers.

40:07

Will there be answers? Her grandparents

40:10

are getting older for the family. You

40:12

pray there are answers. Absolutely.

40:15

And you hope that answers come in, but

40:17

again, it's been a pretty good amount

40:20

of time with nothing new, no

40:23

new information. So either the police

40:25

don't have anything new or the police are

40:27

just not willing to share it. Yeah.

40:29

Yeah, it could be either one. She

40:31

also said, if you did that brutal

40:34

of a murder, what's going to stop you

40:36

from doing it again? That's what's

40:38

scary to being that close to that community.

40:40

It could be someone going to the grocery

40:43

store.

40:43

That's a terrifying thought. Yeah. Right.

40:47

Someone killed Alicia

40:49

Humble. Now, is that person

40:51

a part of the community?

40:52

Is this a person that you see every

40:55

now and then shopping at the local

40:58

convenience store, the supermarket,

41:01

the hardware store, maybe. Makes

41:03

you look at people a little differently. It does.

41:06

Law enforcement have said over the years that

41:08

they cannot release more information because

41:11

it's still an open case.

41:13

Sheriff house said in an interview with

41:15

the Des Moines register in May, 2018, there's

41:18

certain information you want to

41:20

make sure is unknown, except

41:22

to us in the killer.

41:23

The goal is to successfully

41:26

prosecute the case. And we hear that all

41:28

the time. We do. Right. From law enforcement.

41:31

We can't give you everything we've got

41:33

because that would hurt us down

41:36

the road. If, and when we

41:38

find someone and try to prosecute

41:41

them. We'd like to share it. Sure. Yeah,

41:43

but we can't.

41:44

Sheriff house said he was puzzled as

41:46

to how nobody would have been at Myron

41:49

Grove on the afternoon of June 1st, 2015, because according

41:51

to him, it's

41:54

a relatively busy area

41:56

and no one had come forward to report

41:58

seeing anything strange. that day. According

42:01

to the Des Moines Register, the only

42:03

road in or out of Myron Grove

42:06

forks a few yards before the dock.

42:09

One road branches to private properties

42:12

and another road branches to a public

42:14

fishing and water sport area. There

42:17

are two parking lots separated by

42:19

a line of trees, a smaller

42:21

parking lot near the ramp, and

42:23

a larger one to park trucks

42:25

and boat trailers. There

42:27

is room for one boat to be loaded

42:29

into the water next to a dock, but

42:31

in the

42:32

summer the dock area is hidden by trees.

42:35

It's not visible until you were

42:37

on the water. This is an unstaffed

42:40

area. The only people who regularly go

42:42

to the area are game fish and

42:44

parks employees who walk through

42:46

and pick up trash.

42:48

And I think for a lot of places like this, it's

42:50

not out of the norm.

42:51

You got a boat ramp. Sure. It's

42:54

not like they're paying somebody to stand there.

42:56

No.

42:57

And direct traffic or, you

42:59

know, help people. Most of the time when

43:01

you go to put a boat in the water, you're on your own.

43:04

And that may be different at some

43:06

lakes, big lakes or whatever, but the

43:08

lakes that I'm used to, there's nobody

43:11

standing there. No, you're on your own. Yeah.

43:13

And most of these places don't even have surveillance

43:16

cameras up. No, I would think

43:18

not. But I want to go back

43:21

to is Sheriff How saying this is a relatively

43:23

busy area.

43:25

Okay. It's 1 45, 2 PM.

43:28

How many people were there? And

43:31

if there were more people, why

43:33

haven't some of those people come forward? Yeah.

43:36

Is it possible that they didn't know that

43:38

something tragic happened

43:40

and that the police would have liked to

43:42

talk to them?

43:44

I'm sure this received a lot of coverage. Yeah.

43:46

I think you just never know. Probably out there, right? Because

43:49

they should have heard about it. Should have

43:51

Sheriff House said they were still receiving

43:53

tips about the dark vehicle that was reported

43:55

at the crime scene. Some people called and

43:58

claimed they saw a dark colored car.

43:59

driving on the interstate. And others

44:02

said they knew someone

44:04

with a dark car who would do

44:06

something like this. And these are the kind

44:08

of tips that, you know,

44:11

obviously police have to wade through. Yeah.

44:13

You

44:13

know, you have a vendetta against

44:15

somebody,

44:16

you think they're

44:18

a likely killer

44:20

and they happen to drive a dark car. Yeah. So

44:22

you call them in. It's a lot of time. It

44:25

is. Because, you know, those people have to

44:27

be vetted, those tips have to be vetted.

44:29

How emphasize that the case hadn't

44:31

gone cold saying it's not a cold case.

44:34

If we're following up on leads, we've maintained

44:36

this as a focus. He also

44:39

said that after Alicia's husband

44:41

was ruled out as a suspect, investigators

44:44

moved on to her family and friends

44:46

who were also

44:47

ruled out as suspects.

44:49

Time continued to pass without

44:51

any answers. Investigators have provided

44:54

updates about the case, but those

44:56

updates don't reveal many

44:59

details. And that's something we see in a lot

45:01

of unsolved cases. It's frustrating,

45:04

but it is somewhat normal.

45:07

The authorities may have more details.

45:10

They're just not

45:11

keen on, you know, throwing them out.

45:13

In 2019, Sheriff Howe

45:15

told the Sioux City Journal that

45:18

a murder weapon was never found. He

45:20

said they were still sending evidence

45:22

to the forensics lab and still

45:24

investigating several suspects,

45:26

but any additional information was being

45:29

kept private to protect

45:31

the investigation.

45:32

This evidence that they're sending, I wonder

45:35

what it is. Yeah, I did

45:37

too because why now? Is

45:40

this new evidence that they've

45:42

just acquired? Or has it taken

45:44

them this long to send it to

45:47

the forensics lab? Yeah, and

45:49

what is it? Yeah, I don't know.

45:52

In 2021, Kilo Land

45:55

News reporter, Angela Kaneki,

45:57

spoke with Sheriff Howe for updates in the

45:59

case.

45:59

He told her, there are people we have not

46:02

ruled out. We do have suspects,

46:04

but we don't have a case.

46:06

Canacki asked how if perhaps

46:08

Alicia was killed by someone she knew. He answered,

46:11

we don't have any indication that that was

46:13

the case, that this was anything

46:15

other than a stranger and a crime

46:18

of opportunity.

46:19

Yeah, I wonder if these are the same suspects

46:21

he had back then in the beginning of

46:24

the investigation. Or completely

46:26

different ones. We don't know. Or

46:28

a mix. But

46:30

you can have all the suspects you

46:33

want. He said, we don't

46:35

have a case. If you don't have a case against

46:37

anyone, then you don't really

46:39

have anything. Then you can do about it.

46:41

Law enforcement contends that Alicia

46:43

might have seen something on the day she was

46:45

killed, and that was why she

46:48

was murdered. However, her

46:49

friends and family have difficulty

46:52

believing she was killed randomly.

46:55

So, I mean, I think there's a couple of theories

46:57

here that he's throwing out.

46:59

Stranger

47:00

crime of opportunity.

47:02

We know that happens. We've covered it many,

47:04

many times. I do feel

47:07

like that would be a strange place

47:10

to just hope that

47:12

a woman comes along alone to go

47:15

fishing. Yeah. I mean,

47:17

who knew she was there, right? Besides people

47:20

that follow her on her social media accounts,

47:24

the clerk that handed her her fishing

47:26

license at a little

47:29

after one o'clock, wished

47:31

her luck on getting the big one. But did he

47:33

even know where she was going? Yeah, did

47:35

she tell him? Maybe in conversation? We don't know.

47:38

We don't know. Then you're telling me he got off that quickly

47:41

and made it out there. So

47:43

that part for me is a little

47:46

hard. I'm not saying it's impossible. What

47:49

maybe to me is more plausible

47:52

is that she did see something

47:55

that someone didn't want

47:57

her to see. Yeah, maybe she

47:59

took a picture. or they thought

48:01

she took a picture of the vehicle that

48:04

these two individuals were in. Maybe

48:06

somebody in that car wasn't supposed to be

48:08

there. Right, that's a possibility.

48:12

Or maybe didn't have anything to do with

48:14

the two people in the car, but it was another

48:17

car and it was a drug

48:19

deal. I mean, you could go down a

48:21

bunch of different

48:23

avenues or theories.

48:24

Jan Folker said she was told

48:26

about a pair of men's shoes that were found at

48:29

the scene that resembled shoes

48:31

worn by a restaurant worker. Jan

48:34

also said that investigators told her they

48:36

put up surveillance cameras and took around 2,000

48:38

pictures, but nothing

48:41

seemed to come from this. Alicia's

48:43

family believes that she tried to

48:45

fight her killer because of her injuries

48:48

that they saw at her funeral. Jan

48:50

Folker said in her interview with Kilo

48:52

Land News, they had her hands

48:54

folded and we could see that one

48:57

of her fingers was broken. So we

48:59

knew that she struggled. I assumed it

49:01

was to hang on to that phone. That

49:04

phone was her Bible. It had everything

49:07

in it. Her family also believes that

49:09

Alicia's fingers may have contained

49:12

DNA evidence because

49:14

her fingernails were black from where

49:16

investigators checked for DNA.

49:18

Hal said in his 2021

49:20

interview with the news outlet Inform

49:23

that no one had come forward

49:25

so far, which led to suspicion

49:27

that the people involved were in

49:29

the dark colored vehicle

49:31

seen at Myron Grove. However, investigators

49:34

have not been able to talk to the individual

49:37

or individuals in the vehicle to

49:39

determine who they are,

49:41

what they might have seen, or

49:43

to what extent they were involved.

49:45

Alicia's texts about the people

49:47

in the car did not provide

49:49

a description of any kind.

49:52

Well, so here's my thought. Obviously,

49:54

if you were a person

49:57

or

49:58

one of the people in that car.

50:00

and you were involved in the murder, you're not

50:02

coming forward. Of course not. So

50:05

you're not gonna be able to talk to them.

50:07

I'm sure they wish that she had a description

50:09

of that car

50:11

and her social media messages.

50:13

Or picture with the license plate

50:16

number, yeah. Yeah, obviously that would

50:18

have been a big help. But if it wasn't

50:21

someone in this dark colored sedan,

50:24

then what are we back to?

50:26

Just a random person

50:28

who saw a crime of

50:30

opportunity. Again, it's not out of the realm

50:33

of possibility. It just seems like

50:35

in that area,

50:37

on a lake near a boat

50:39

dock, doesn't seem like

50:41

a place where someone would

50:44

go hunting for the lack of a better time.

50:47

I mean, the other possibility that we've really

50:49

covered is that someone could have pulled up on a boat.

50:52

Maybe they chose to do something.

50:55

Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say it's

50:57

not a possibility. The problem with the boat

51:00

is that you're not assured

51:02

like a getaway. That's

51:04

true. Like you are in a car. You're

51:07

not assured a getaway. But it's much

51:10

easier to get away from the scene, I think,

51:12

in a car. Again, it's depending

51:14

on how big of a body of water this

51:16

is.

51:18

Because we said there was only one boat dock. So

51:21

you're gonna pull up and kill somebody

51:23

there, but eventually have to take your boat out of

51:25

that same boat dock?

51:27

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't, no. I

51:29

mean, I see where you're going with a possible

51:31

theory.

51:32

Sheriff Howe couldn't say what type

51:34

of evidence they had. He was also

51:37

not at liberty to discuss the murder

51:39

weapon or weapons, but did indicate

51:41

that the cut on Alicia's neck was

51:43

intended to cause harm and was

51:46

not the byproduct of a struggle.

51:48

He wouldn't respond to questions about whether

51:50

or not she was sexually assaulted.

51:53

So I think there's the answer to

51:55

the question that I posed earlier.

51:58

Was this a cut?

51:59

from some type of

52:01

manmade object

52:04

or, you know, instrument. I think the answer

52:06

is yeah. Yeah. This wasn't a cut

52:08

that she sustained while

52:10

falling or, you know, something

52:13

like that.

52:14

According to inform Tony's

52:16

wife, Sarah was questioned by law enforcement,

52:19

but Sheriff Howe said she was questioned

52:21

multiple times and was cooperative.

52:24

So obviously Tony got remarried at some point.

52:27

And it makes sense that they would want to talk to

52:29

her.

52:30

Just to make sure that,

52:31

you know, nothing was disclosed

52:33

to her or why would she give

52:36

it up if it was on December 6th, 2021.

52:40

Sheriff Andy Howe admitted that

52:42

investigators have Alicia Hummel's

52:45

cell phone. It was found at Myron Grove,

52:48

but how wouldn't say how or

52:50

when it was found or what

52:52

kind of evidence they found on the phone.

52:54

That's some pretty big information to let

52:57

out there. It really is. I think what's troubling

53:00

is, you know, we don't know

53:03

when it was found. So we don't know how long they

53:06

had it.

53:07

Did they sit on it

53:08

for, you know, a number of

53:10

years? We just don't know the answer.

53:12

Radio station KYNT

53:15

released a statement from Andy Howe

53:17

on June 1st, 2022. Howe

53:20

said, we've had some new developments

53:22

and leads in this past year that

53:24

have generated quite a bit of interest

53:26

and quite a bit of work for us. So we've

53:29

been actively following up on that information.

53:31

Not a lot I can say about at this point,

53:34

we still want to have a successful prosecution

53:37

when the time comes, but I do have

53:40

considerable optimism that

53:42

we will be getting

53:42

somewhere with this case.

53:44

And I found that statement to be

53:47

very interesting.

53:50

You

53:50

know, there's no reason for him to come out

53:53

and say that. He could just say, we continue

53:56

to work on the case. We work on any leads

53:58

and tips that come in. But to say

54:00

that

54:01

he, you know, has a lot

54:03

of optimism, it almost

54:06

makes it sound like these new developments

54:08

and leads

54:09

are going somewhere,

54:11

but again, everything's so cryptic.

54:13

It's kind of hard to figure out what's really

54:15

being said. Yep.

54:17

There's currently a $5,000 reward for information in the case.

54:21

If you have any information about the murder

54:23

of Alicia Hummel, you can contact

54:26

the Clay County Sheriff's office at 6 0 5 6 7 7 7 100.

54:32

The murder of Alicia Hummel is still

54:34

unsolved eight years later, but

54:36

I think based on Sheriff house statements,

54:38

it seems as though investigators

54:41

are trying to build a solid case

54:44

so that they can prosecute one or more

54:47

individuals for her murder, but

54:49

because of the act of

54:51

investigation

54:53

and the fact that, you know, they, they're

54:55

not releasing everything they have

54:58

Alicia's family, friends, and really the

55:00

public are left with so

55:02

many questions. You and I have a ton of questions.

55:04

Yeah. We

55:05

just don't have the answers to them. Who

55:07

would want to kill Alicia

55:09

Hummel?

55:10

We said it very early on. This was a woman who

55:13

had no known enemies, was not

55:15

known to be involved in any

55:17

criminal activity. It seems

55:19

as though, you know, she had some

55:21

things of value

55:23

with her that day in her purse,

55:25

her vehicle was left.

55:28

We know they found her purse, right?

55:31

It kind of rules out the whole

55:33

robbery angle. I think so.

55:35

I keep going back to this possibility

55:38

that we've talked about a number of times where

55:42

it's possible she witnessed something.

55:44

Maybe it was illegal. Maybe it

55:46

wasn't illegal, but somebody didn't want her

55:49

to have seen what

55:50

she saw and that

55:52

someone wanted to kill her to

55:55

keep her from talking, or maybe

55:57

to get their hands on the cell phone.

55:59

if they thought she possibly took a picture.

56:02

Yeah. I just keep thinking of the,

56:05

she sent that text message at 1 45, saying

56:08

she just witnessed a couple

56:10

having sex in a car by two o'clock.

56:13

Her body's found. Found, so that's 15,

56:16

in that 15 minutes. Makes you feel

56:18

like whatever was happening in

56:20

that car, those people didn't like it. No,

56:22

I think they liked what was going on in the car. They

56:25

didn't like that she knew what was going on in the car

56:27

and maybe they or

56:30

somebody in that car confronted her and

56:32

things just got bad. Yeah,

56:34

went south from there. Yeah. But,

56:37

you know, I don't know. There's a lot of questions

56:39

that

56:40

we may never have the answers to, but

56:43

I'm kind of hopeful based on the sheriff's

56:45

statements that

56:46

it seems at least, you know,

56:49

according to him, that there

56:51

might be some updates in the case coming

56:53

up in the next year or so. Sounds

56:56

promising. It does sound promising. Now he could just

56:58

be blowing smoke. It could be.

57:00

Maybe he's just trying to get some individuals

57:04

rocked a little bit too. Yeah, could

57:06

be. Or he just wants the public to

57:08

feel reassured that they're working

57:11

it. So he's saying he's

57:14

optimistic, but really there's nothing solid.

57:16

Again, I don't

57:18

know, but. I feel

57:21

like this could get solved. I do too.

57:23

I do too. I feel like because

57:26

of the amount of time

57:27

and now all of a sudden he's coming out

57:30

and saying,

57:31

okay, we've got new developments. We've got

57:33

new leads. He's optimistic.

57:35

Why say that, you know, essentially

57:38

what

57:39

last year or whenever it was, if, yeah,

57:41

it was just about a year ago.

57:44

If there wasn't something there that

57:47

they were working on. Now it

57:49

can often take quite a while to build

57:52

a solid case. And we know that

57:54

enough to charge somebody with murder. So

57:57

we'll have to wait and see, but that's it for.

58:00

our episode on the unsolved murder of

58:02

Alicia Hummel.

58:04

This is one that, you know, obviously a lot

58:06

of people would like to see solved. We would

58:08

like to see it solved. We'll have to keep

58:10

an eye on it. Don't forget

58:12

no episode next week. That's right. Give me an eye

58:14

or take in a vacation. We've

58:16

got some voicemails though. You want to check those out before

58:18

we go? Let's hear them. Hi guys, it's

58:20

Kenny from Louisiana. I just got

58:22

down with the TCAT all the

58:24

time and I'm starting unsolved and

58:27

I'm noticing why people, people like Gibby

58:29

a lot because he talks a lot more on unsolved.

58:32

But the reason I'm calling is because

58:34

Christine Jessup's murder was actually

58:37

solved. It was her dad's co-worker's

58:39

husband and I didn't

58:42

hear an update on it. So just thought I'd let

58:44

you know if y'all didn't know already and

58:46

team TCAT. Thanks.

58:48

Yeah. Appreciate that voicemail. We did see that.

58:51

We haven't really figured out a great way

58:53

to give updates on

58:55

solved cases that we did on unsolved.

58:58

Yeah. We have to figure out how to

59:00

do that eventually, huh? Yeah.

59:04

Yeah. Yeah. Is that the

59:06

obvious?

59:07

I didn't want to say that. I didn't want to point that out.

59:09

It's just, it's hard because you're doing

59:12

a brand new case. Sure. Do

59:14

you do the update in front of the brand new case?

59:17

Do you do an entire episode

59:19

of nothing but updates? You know, we

59:22

just haven't figured it out yet. Maybe you put like a little

59:24

rubber stamp updated.

59:26

Rubber stamp on what? I don't know.

59:29

You're the genius. No, I don't think that was.

59:33

Hey, Mike and Gibby, this is Joe from Charles, South

59:36

Carolina. Colin was listening to

59:38

the TCAT unsolved. Chris Kremers, Lisa

59:40

and Froon. Case has

59:43

such a difficult one.

59:45

All the theories floating around, what

59:47

could have happened to them? And as I was listening,

59:50

you all mentioned in there about

59:52

the photos that were taken from

59:54

like one in the morning till four o'clock.

59:56

And then it's just, you know, nothing

59:59

but like. the jungle and the

1:00:01

rocks and the bag and all that stuff. And

1:00:04

my theory that I had, that when

1:00:06

I heard about that was, was it possible

1:00:09

because they're in the dark that they were

1:00:11

using the flash to find out where

1:00:13

they were at. And, you know, they

1:00:15

were, maybe they were trying to conserve like the phone

1:00:17

battery because I know the flashlight

1:00:20

on a phone battery can, you know, drain

1:00:22

quick. So maybe they were just taking flash

1:00:24

photography to see where they were at, maybe

1:00:26

try to

1:00:27

find their way through the dark. I mean, that's

1:00:29

my theory about maybe all the pictures,

1:00:32

but I'm super stumped after listening

1:00:34

to that case anyway. Love the show,

1:00:37

keep up the great work, stay safe and keep your own

1:00:39

time ticking.

1:00:40

Now it's a great take. I didn't really

1:00:42

think about that because just kind

1:00:45

of thought, oh, well, you'd

1:00:46

use the flashlight or, I

1:00:48

mean, you could even just hit the phone and

1:00:50

kind of use the glow off the phone. Doesn't

1:00:53

give you a ton of light, but. That's a

1:00:55

good theory. But yeah, the fact that the

1:00:57

flashlight would maybe drain the battery. Now

1:00:59

I would have thought the

1:01:00

flash on the camera would drain the battery,

1:01:03

but I don't know the comparison between the

1:01:05

two.

1:01:06

But I, you know, I go back to that case

1:01:08

and it is,

1:01:09

like he said,

1:01:10

it's a stumper. It is. Because

1:01:12

there's so many different cobwebs,

1:01:16

theories and things that are coming

1:01:19

at you.

1:01:19

It's almost like overload

1:01:22

on that one. That's it for

1:01:23

another episode of True Crime All the

1:01:26

Time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe

1:01:28

and keep your own time ticking.

1:01:30

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