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about the murders the

4:26

victims were targeted by serial

4:29

the came to be known as bible

4:31

job from nineteen sixty

4:33

eight to nineteen sixty nine three

4:35

women in their mid twenties

4:37

early thirties were murdered in

4:39

the scottish industrial city of

4:42

glasgow their names were patricia

4:44

docker my mom mcdonald

4:47

n helen potter separately

4:50

they all had gone out for

4:52

a night a dancing and socializing

4:54

before they were merch the cases

4:57

had many similarities including

4:59

the fact that they were all mothers

5:02

they were also all brunettes

5:04

the women had all been savagely

5:06

beaten and raped before being

5:08

strangled to death in all in

5:10

the same air the i would call

5:12

those similarities gibbs i

5:14

would do the you have women

5:17

around the same age right

5:19

same these range right

5:22

somewhere ages the manner

5:24

of that is similar

5:26

they're all found in and basically the same

5:29

area i think you would

5:31

as law enforcement the

5:33

have to believe there

5:35

are some connection yeah between

5:37

the three and were renault learn

5:40

about a few other similarities one

5:42

them constraints the body

5:44

of each victim was found not long after

5:47

they failed to return home the

5:49

sister of one of the victims was believed

5:51

to have been the only confirmed witness

5:54

site later telling police

5:56

the man who killed her sister loaded

5:59

extensively the from the by during

6:01

their conversations on the nine question

6:04

this is what tesla the

6:06

this mystery killer been

6:09

dubbed bible job the murders

6:11

resulted in one the biggest some best

6:13

the gazans and scottish history

6:15

over the years several persons of

6:17

interest have been identified including

6:20

another serial killers but no one

6:22

has ever been sharks and the killer's

6:25

identity remains hotly debated

6:27

to this day that's a pretty popular

6:29

unsolved case mean it's been

6:31

out there since sixties then

6:34

there's some strange facets yes

6:36

to this case and lotta

6:38

times that is what

6:41

draws people man in

6:44

a good investors right

6:46

in what's going on they might even start

6:48

researching it themselves the

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com can what we always

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put the pieces together themselves

7:00

twenty five year old nurse patricia

7:02

doctor was born in the early nineteen

7:05

forties and grew up with parents john

7:07

and paul lean in the lang

7:09

side area of glasgow in

7:11

nineteen sixty three patricia

7:13

married a royal air force pilot

7:15

name's alex the couple

7:17

welcome the sun and nineteen sixty four

7:20

but by nineteen sixty eight they

7:22

were strange patricia in

7:24

her four year old son moved back home

7:26

the live with repair according

7:28

to the scottish here she

7:30

worked at moans kirk hospital

7:33

in renfrewshire last

7:35

job the city one the evening

7:37

of february twenty second nineteen six

7:39

year patricia told parents

7:41

she was going to the majestic ballroom

7:44

dancing the on hope street and

7:46

they agreed to baby sit there grants

7:49

when i'm patricia didn't come home that night

7:52

her parents assumed she'd stayed

7:54

over at a friend's abreu

7:56

news like to go to the ballroom sundance i

7:58

was a ballroom dancer that

8:01

one point in my life if they

8:03

called you lefty it's not something that i

8:05

talk about lot but there

8:07

are couple of things here gives a jump out

8:09

meets your first of all it's

8:11

amazing to have family those

8:13

by when you have young children

8:16

because there almost

8:18

always willing to help out with

8:21

watching the the child or the children

8:23

so you can go out and

8:25

do something in in a second

8:28

thing is the person doesn't

8:30

come home that night the parents

8:32

weren't overly worried they

8:34

assume that she'd stayed overnight at

8:36

a friend's house i get that

8:38

maybe she adds the little bit too

8:40

much to drink and didn't

8:43

want to catch a ride all the way back

8:45

i don't know what the particulars are

8:48

in this was

8:49

korea cellphones rights is somewhat you're gonna

8:51

pick up persona sites a mom

8:54

i will be knocked on more players not like you're

8:56

going to be able to reach out to for

8:58

right don't wear to call that's

9:00

the one thing that cellphones do they

9:03

give you then have fixed number

9:06

yeah essentially wherever you are

9:08

for people to get hold of for

9:10

that the somebody didn't know exactly

9:12

where you were there's no reason

9:14

to try to call somewhere be as you

9:17

don't know where your goal right it's funny

9:19

you know are you talk about that the

9:21

lid off the subject but was or heard a comedian

9:23

the other day say relationships back

9:26

in the sixties and seventies we're

9:28

so much better because the husband

9:30

went work or wife both

9:32

parties and eight o'clock in

9:34

the morning until they came back together six o'clock

9:37

they didn't talk to each other that man

9:39

had all this time you know to has

9:41

some conversations and stuff you know but today

9:44

the probably talk to your spouse over

9:47

dozen times before even get home from work

9:49

or you're both working from

9:51

home yeah then

9:54

oh yeah nighttime rolls around what

9:56

, you have say in some

9:58

instances girl talked out

10:00

on the morning of february twenty

10:02

third man on his way to fetch

10:04

his car from secure parking

10:07

garage and carmichael place in

10:09

the battlefield area of glasgow

10:12

wow patricia naked body he

10:14

was lying face up in the garage

10:17

is doorway not far from our home

10:19

one of her shoes was found near her body

10:22

there was little physical evidence

10:24

of the crime all law patricia

10:27

his belongings were miss the

10:29

clothing her handbag

10:31

enter watch her father was

10:33

the one who made the formal identification

10:36

of her party what we say

10:38

we know that gonna be tossed salads gotta be

10:41

you know one of worst things that

10:44

the parent ever have to do

10:46

now some poured state that patricians

10:49

clothing was never found according

10:51

to the daily record newspaper

10:53

her dress code and handbags

10:56

were found by the river by a police

10:58

died teams and or watch was

11:00

found a pool of water not

11:02

far from the crimes this

11:05

is something that you and i battle on

11:07

routine basis your as

11:09

you're researching a cakes source

11:11

is often very yeah line

11:15

the information then you know much

11:17

more so as you go back in time

11:19

but we just had this on t cat on

11:22

a story that was just about twenty years

11:24

old there was a lot of information

11:27

that conflicts depending

11:29

on what source you were looking

11:31

the post mortem examination confirm

11:34

that's patricia had been killed shortly

11:37

after leaving the damsel the

11:39

had been sexually assaulted and

11:41

sustained significant blunt force trauma

11:43

to the face and head he was then

11:45

strangled to death with the luggage sure

11:48

wage police thought could

11:50

have been about over a very brutal

11:52

murder the i think when you get

11:54

into the area blunt force trauma

11:57

the face and head and then than

11:59

obviously no strangulation

12:02

with some type of liquor true whether was robe

12:04

about i think they could probably

12:06

tell the difference between rope bow judging

12:09

by the the marks on the neck but either

12:11

way i grew see a very brutal there

12:14

was also reported that patricia

12:16

was on her period when she dies

12:19

and her sanitary pad was found near

12:21

her boss these conducted a door

12:23

to door surge in the area where

12:25

patricia his body was found but no

12:27

one heard anything unusual

12:29

the night before except

12:32

for one resident who said

12:34

she heard a woman scream leave

12:36

me alone i'm guessing she didn't

12:39

go out and check on that screen this

12:42

is something i think plays into a number

12:44

of unsolved cases right

12:47

a neighbor somebody

12:49

nearby here's some that

12:51

it's always what do they make of

12:53

that right the also if

12:56

you think something dangerous is going

12:58

on do you want to go out and investigated

13:01

and put yourself potentially and in

13:03

harm's way my thought is okay

13:05

leave me alone depending on

13:08

the kitchen and what it sounded

13:10

like could just be you

13:12

people kind of are you fight are

13:15

you know messing around with each

13:17

of yeah war it

13:19

could be real cry for help but

13:22

it's not a gunshot though there

13:25

there is something that's a little

13:27

bit open to interpretation as

13:29

police retrace patricia last

13:31

movements they discovered that she hadn't

13:33

gone to the majestic ball the

13:36

summary instead she

13:38

went to another dance barrow

13:41

land ballroom which held

13:43

in over twenty fives night

13:45

for singles on the night that patricia

13:48

died he wasn't until several

13:50

days into the investigation that

13:52

police discovered the treasure

13:54

had gone to barrel

13:57

the not the majestic then it's

13:59

a big deal because i

14:01

think just based off what

14:03

she told her family the assume

14:06

that she had gone to majestic

14:09

though the last several

14:11

days worth of valuable time it

14:13

had hurt the investigation someone investigators

14:16

theorize patricia messer

14:19

till the the barrel land

14:21

the for the pair laugh together at

14:23

some point the killer tried

14:26

to forced himself on

14:28

patricia what she fall back then

14:30

the a casual punched and kicked her

14:32

in the face as she screamed

14:34

for help the killer raped patricia

14:37

and strangled her the death before stripping

14:39

her naked and taking her clothes

14:42

and hand and like you said

14:44

gibbs brutal yeah

14:47

mean just the description is

14:49

absolutely bird thirty

14:51

two year old single mother of three july

14:54

mcdonald was born in nineteen

14:56

thirty seven he was one of

14:58

seven children he was

15:00

determined to give her kids the best

15:02

life past according to the

15:04

blog old glasgow murders

15:07

jim i'm experience violence at hands

15:09

of her partner as result

15:11

she chose to raise your children on earth

15:14

rather than expose

15:16

them to a violent homework sometimes

15:18

us what you have to do come first

15:21

kids come vs lot always an easy

15:23

decision to make it your

15:25

now a single mother raising

15:27

three tears you don't have a lot money

15:30

the like we said the term and

15:32

to give her kids the

15:34

best life past my nineteen

15:36

sixty nine gym i'm a was living

15:38

in small two room apartment in

15:41

the suburb of bridgeton with her

15:43

kids she loved attending

15:45

the barrel and she could the

15:48

get away for a night out dancing

15:50

and fun when out for dancing

15:52

is visible time for one

15:54

august sixteen nineteen sixty nine

15:57

the mama left her three children with

15:59

her sister margaret while

16:01

she went out to the barrel land

16:04

but when jim i'm he didn't come home

16:06

make contact margaret began

16:08

to work the next day no

16:11

sign of sister margaret

16:13

her local rumors that a group of neighborhood

16:15

children had been over her talking

16:18

about finding a bomb in a

16:20

rundown apartment building on

16:22

mac history margaret

16:24

went to the abandoned apartment to

16:26

see if what she had heard was true

16:29

they probably running through her mind gibbs

16:31

was there is my sister

16:33

hurt the see out there

16:36

to see need my help when

16:38

margaret walked inside her

16:40

worst nightmare came true i'm

16:42

i'm as lifeless body lay

16:44

face down on the ground she was close

16:47

water underwear was torn in

16:49

her stockings and shoes were

16:51

lying beside her boss the

16:53

rough discovery anybody

16:56

but specially for your sister the

16:58

ip we talked before about

17:00

you what does it do to some

17:03

to find the dead body

17:06

an antique a lot times most

17:08

times that discoveries made

17:10

by someone who probably

17:13

doesn't even know the victim still

17:16

wacky be easy are

17:18

you have a woman who finds her sister

17:20

death so obviously would just be

17:22

such a traumatic discomfort

17:25

so they are found strange was as

17:27

he heard this rumor can't

17:29

figure out why the police the

17:32

go to the spring for she got there what

17:34

we don't have any indication that the police

17:36

heard the room right or had

17:39

any knowledge of that information

17:42

found by she overheard something

17:44

dot well i better go check it out

17:47

house to pay you

17:49

can call the police and ask

17:51

them to check it out there but it sounds

17:53

like she was just so worried about her

17:55

sister not taking

17:57

she was going to find her murdered obviously

18:00

thinking i better get over there

18:02

because she might need my help the

18:04

post mortem examination determined

18:06

jamire had been murdered around thirty hours

18:09

or so before she was found meaning

18:11

that she was killed

18:14

probably not long after leaving

18:16

the barrow land to go home she

18:18

had been raids and viciously been with

18:21

the attacker specifically

18:23

targeting her face for killer

18:25

strangled her with one of her own stock

18:28

like patricia darker the

18:31

minor was also on period when

18:33

she was killed an herb

18:35

sanitary pads was found near

18:37

her boss so you mentioned

18:40

it earlier gibbs that there

18:42

was gonna be another in

18:44

a strange connection

18:46

right where these

18:48

victims this is exactly

18:51

what you were talking about could

18:54

it be a coincidence that who

18:56

women the raped and

18:58

murdered it happened to be on

19:00

their peers could could i

19:03

think the detail that

19:05

really made it

19:08

to me seen not

19:10

coincidence is the

19:12

path been found

19:15

near the bot the description

19:17

was very similar in

19:19

both of these

19:22

then again neither vicious attack right sure

19:25

this killer really goes after the victim's

19:27

face previous

19:29

victim was kicked and punched this time

19:32

then you you have to ask question what

19:34

does that mean there's a rate there's

19:37

a stranger lace there's

19:40

also what seems to

19:42

be this deliberate targeting

19:44

of of the face with blows

19:47

blunt force trauma does

19:49

that mean something the guy

19:52

angry with the women the victims here

19:54

for the does angry with women

19:56

in general the any taken it out on these

19:58

victims it is good question

20:01

and then you know kind of dovetail

20:03

linda that okay within

20:06

that anger why specifically

20:09

the face how does that player we

20:11

had lead in july miss case

20:14

several eyewitnesses told police that

20:16

they'd seen her with a young slender

20:19

well dressed man on the evening

20:21

and question at the barrel and he

20:23

appeared to be between

20:25

twenty five and thirty five years old

20:28

was around six foot to six

20:30

foot two in had knee

20:32

short dark brown hair the

20:34

had a strong glaswegian

20:36

accent and was heard quoting the bible

20:39

during conversations you're

20:41

my main her campaign left the dance

20:43

hall around twelve forty eight according

20:46

to the glasgow evening times

20:49

they responded walking towards either

20:51

bane street more land

20:53

dressy street towards

20:55

your mom is house when police conducted

20:57

door door searches on the street where

20:59

her body was found one resident

21:02

recalled during woman screams on

21:04

night in question the had no idea

21:07

what time it could have been please

21:09

focus their efforts on the description of

21:11

them last scene which i'm i'm

21:14

and conducted a reenactment

21:16

of her final known move before

21:19

they could make much progress there

21:21

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25:17

nine year old mother of two when

25:20

potter lively outgoing

25:23

it said she had a love for music

25:26

the was born around nineteen forty

25:28

by nineteen sixty nine she

25:30

was living in an apartment on url

25:32

street with her mother in the neighborhood

25:35

of scots her husband

25:37

george was in the british in

25:39

couple had to young son george

25:42

was stationed elsewhere but

25:44

returned to glasgow regularly to

25:47

see his young family on october

25:49

thirtieth nineteen sixteen the

25:51

own told her husband she was going out with

25:53

her sister jean to the barrow

25:55

land we're helen love

25:57

to dance after having some

26:00

during sad to traders tavern helen

26:02

gene continued to the barrel once

26:05

they made the acquaintance of two men who

26:07

didn't know each other but both

26:09

gave their names as job the

26:12

john who dance with jean told

26:14

her that he lived in the castle milk

26:16

area of glasgow he

26:18

later became known

26:20

as castle mil jong

26:23

the other man who dance with helen

26:25

didn't you now there's no details

26:28

he was well spoken but

26:30

made no mention of where he live eventually

26:34

for people decided to head

26:36

home they left the dancer

26:39

half a mil john walk to george

26:41

square where he caught a boss according

26:44

to the glasgow evening times

26:46

gene helen in the other john

26:48

plot attacks from glasgow

26:51

cross they decided to drop

26:53

gene offers the live

26:55

twenty minutes away and nice when

26:57

the cab derived dad kelso

26:59

street got out and

27:02

she said good he watches

27:05

the cab continued towards url

27:07

street in headed towards

27:09

ensconced we're hello live

27:12

about a ten minute drive away when

27:15

helen failed return home her

27:17

husband george became worry

27:20

the next day a man walking his dog

27:22

at the rear of the apartment building

27:24

we're haven't lived discovered her

27:27

partially naked body beside

27:29

a drain pipe in the backyard killer

27:32

had strangled her with one of her stock

27:35

and she suffered severe injuries

27:37

from being beaten the contents

27:40

of her purse were found near

27:42

her body there was no sign of

27:44

the bag itself the man scuffling

27:47

was also found near her body there's

27:49

no doubt how and put up the

27:52

fight of life gives against

27:54

her attacker this was evidenced

27:56

by grass stains

27:58

on her shoes the even had

28:00

some on the souls of her feet as

28:03

officer scour the area for clues

28:05

they found signs that someone

28:07

had tried to run up a nearby

28:10

railway embankments but

28:12

it slipped in had fallen

28:15

or had been dragged back down so

28:17

i'd be based on that it was theorize that

28:20

helen had attempted to escape

28:22

heard attacker the she

28:24

tried to run up this

28:26

embankment five she

28:29

was overpowered dragged back

28:31

down then murder times

28:34

have you seen something like that the

28:36

movie or tv show you

28:38

know one times how

28:40

terrifying and as to me the guy

28:42

you ramos away only to

28:44

be grabbed it and hold back

28:46

down there the lot people

28:48

have dreams like that where

28:51

there either running

28:53

up hill and they they just

28:55

can't get it they they're they're sliding

28:57

back it means something i can remember

28:59

my wife has a yeah every known don't

29:02

think she has one where she being pulled

29:04

or dragged back down disconnect crest

29:06

she just can't no matter what she does

29:09

she keep get to the top of this hill

29:12

the and as with patricia and

29:14

gemayel oh and had been on

29:16

her peers at the time of murder

29:19

her sanitary pads was found

29:21

lying underneath her left arm the

29:23

post mortem examination sound

29:26

helen had been raped and

29:28

she'd sustained a deep bite

29:30

marks on her upper right side

29:32

this time friends governance was

29:34

banned in the form of semen

29:37

left on helen stockings by

29:39

her killed tragically

29:42

you'd she had been within sight

29:44

of her own home when she was

29:46

murdered according to the scottish

29:48

harold where'd the first victim

29:50

patricia doctor investigators

29:53

didn't find any viable they

29:55

appealed widely for information

29:57

from the public patricia

29:59

is murder when on so when

30:01

you're my mom and dad was murdered

30:03

eighteen months later the circumstances

30:06

of her death were strikingly

30:08

some those women had failed

30:10

to return home after attending

30:12

the barrel land there killer

30:15

had beaten and strangled them to death

30:17

with a literature before stealing

30:19

the women's him back both

30:21

victims had also been sexually assaulted

30:24

and both were on their peers but

30:26

despite these similarities initially

30:29

both murders were not considered

30:31

to be blink the don't

30:33

understand yeah i'm i'm having

30:35

trouble with it as well obviously

30:38

when you bring in the third murder

30:40

rate i think then it becomes

30:43

crystal clear but to me

30:45

it's it's pretty clear with the tumors

30:47

now they are eighteen months apart

30:50

the barrel lane the rain

30:53

the bead the granulation

30:56

those women run their periods

30:58

and we did the similarities

31:01

a hard to get past wow

31:03

i witnesses to jamire as murder

31:06

were able to describe the appearance

31:08

of the man she laugh with no

31:10

one recognized it wasn't

31:12

clear whether he was local more

31:14

visitor to the area though he

31:16

did seem to know the area

31:19

the that would probably lean

31:21

towards someone who either

31:24

lived in that area or the very least

31:26

around it was very familiar

31:29

frequent it frequent in that area

31:31

quite often however the

31:33

description the man was detailed enough

31:35

that's following jim i'm as murder

31:37

a composite drawing was distributed

31:40

to scottish media for national

31:42

publication it was said gives

31:44

that this was the first time this had ever

31:47

occurred in scott hundreds

31:49

of tips poured in from the

31:51

public they claim they recognize

31:54

the man but know these tips led

31:56

to the killer and again this

31:58

is something that you see a lot this is

32:00

your once that compiles it comes out

32:03

i think a lot of people look

32:05

at a picture the drawing

32:08

yeah c someone

32:11

they know oh for sure it's

32:13

not photograph this is it's much

32:15

different the your mind

32:18

works differently if

32:20

i see photograph and somebody says

32:22

his escape obviously i know

32:24

if it's you are not throw that is

32:26

some a draws a picture

32:29

okay does it kind of look like you

32:31

maybe maybe can i say it's

32:34

you no am i

32:36

gonna call the police and say to just

32:38

probably the meeting

32:40

for a little saturday night fun just

32:42

the knowledge that police are going to knock on your

32:44

door and ask you few questions worth

32:47

you know is funny the first time

32:50

that time was like still

32:52

funny but fifteen years later skyn

32:54

real all really is it

32:56

according to the bbc scottish

32:59

police made public appeals that barrel

33:01

lance for information what

33:03

the same time they were conducting

33:06

a covert operation the

33:08

see if they said flush out dismay

33:10

but they came up empty handed the

33:13

publicity around the murders meant

33:15

that patrons of the barrel

33:17

and we're very aware of

33:19

the police presence which kept

33:21

a lot of people away i

33:24

think not only police presence

33:27

when it's reported that the

33:29

people who visited the barrel land

33:32

for murder okay if i'm worn out

33:34

dancing i'm going to the majestic

33:37

yeah i'm not going to the barrel and

33:39

was going to avoid for now do i

33:41

know that somebody is specifically

33:43

targeting the emails that the

33:45

barrow land know the i want

33:47

take that chance absolutely not

33:50

no way

33:50

eventually the taxi driver

33:53

who had driven hell and her sister

33:55

jean and their male campaigns

33:58

home team to driver

34:00

said he dropped off hell and in the mystery

34:02

man around one am

34:04

on all three not far

34:07

from where home probably

34:09

the best lead detective god

34:12

the description provided by

34:14

helen sisters who had

34:17

interacted with her sisters

34:19

killer gene told police the

34:21

man was slender well dressed

34:24

around twenty five to thirty years old

34:27

he adds neat auburn reddish

34:29

hair and was around five

34:31

foot he also said that he

34:33

had distinctive crooked front

34:36

teeth the been dressed in white

34:38

shirt well cut blue

34:40

read and taylor brand soon they

34:43

badge on the lookout according

34:45

to the book scottish murder stories

34:47

by author molly whittington

34:49

egan the told police

34:51

the man talked about frequenting

34:54

pups in glass goes

34:56

joker district and spoke about

34:58

working in a laboratory the

35:01

remembered man saying his name was either

35:03

john templeton john

35:06

simple son or john

35:08

amherst the john something john

35:10

something the either a ton

35:13

or a son at the end of it

35:15

the told detectives that at

35:17

the end of night as the group

35:19

was leaving the barrel land this

35:21

may and referred to as as

35:24

an adulterous den of iniquity

35:26

while or that word a long time

35:28

no because lot people don't talk

35:31

like that the commented that

35:33

married women who attended the dance

35:35

hall we're the don't

35:37

trust though to

35:39

me that is very ah this

35:41

guy went there i'm

35:43

assuming with the intention

35:46

of having fun then

35:48

kind of talks about the place

35:50

in when i guess you would have call not

35:52

so right nice

35:54

the terms sorry but didn't go

35:56

further and say specifically

35:58

married whim who go to this

36:00

place we're adulterous

36:03

have you hear a guy talking like that then

36:06

you're married woman i think

36:08

there would be cause for concern absolutely

36:11

but i don't think it was because obviously

36:14

they laughed with this guy

36:16

they got into a taxi with

36:18

this guy they must not have taken

36:21

it that way jean said

36:23

that on the taxi ride home he

36:26

noticed this man was well spoken

36:29

what he had a habit of calling from

36:31

the old tests the also mentioned

36:33

that he likes to golf then

36:35

he didn't drink due to his

36:37

upbringing explaining he

36:39

preferred to pray instead

36:42

of drinking alcohol the

36:44

also told detectives that during

36:46

the taxi rides this guy's

36:49

manner made it clear that he was irritated

36:51

by her press he died

36:54

he wanted to wrong because he wanted

36:56

to be alone with hell in

36:58

our the journey continued is

37:01

this position changed he got aggressive

37:04

and she said he got mood wonder

37:06

if he was aggressive movie because the

37:09

frustration just kept growing the

37:11

warning to be alone with alan thou

37:14

gene around for

37:17

his frustration was growing

37:19

his anger was growing there's

37:21

anger that was going to

37:23

make him do what we know he

37:25

ultimately done i

37:28

don't know it's good question

37:30

when police cross reference genes

37:33

description of the man with that provided

37:35

by bouncers at the barrel lance

37:37

they stated demand they saw with helen

37:39

was short with black in

37:42

updated color sketch was release

37:44

based on jeans script despite

37:47

genes detail about

37:49

this man having crooked front

37:51

teeth good is critical

37:53

piece of information which really

37:56

probably could have helped with

37:58

the identification of this

38:00

wasn't include it makes me wonder why

38:02

they left that out rocket t he

38:05

was like an important the tell to

38:07

include yeah i think

38:09

it is was it an oversight

38:12

the the fact it the person

38:15

didn't know how to draw the crooked the

38:17

i have no idea police

38:19

received a report from a bus

38:21

driver and conductor who told

38:23

investigators they saw passenger

38:26

consistent with jeans description on

38:28

nine question according to the

38:30

book scottish murder stories the

38:33

passenger got off the boss around two

38:35

a the junction of

38:37

dumbarton road and

38:39

grace the man appeared

38:41

to shovel why he'd just been in

38:43

fight the jacket was stained

38:45

with mud then he had

38:47

a red mark honesty the

38:49

after got off boss said dumbarton

38:52

road and darby streets

38:55

the man walked towards the public sphere added

38:58

across the river clyde to the

39:00

south side of glasgow then

39:02

we mention it gives right detectives didn't

39:04

immediately length helens murder and

39:07

just like we said after

39:10

the murders are patricia enjoyment

39:13

after helens murder detectives

39:16

didn't immediately link

39:18

them all together despite what

39:20

you'd have to call remarkable

39:23

similar all three were

39:25

mothers their handbags were missing

39:28

the ammo is the same the

39:30

victims raped and beaten before

39:32

being strangled to death by liquid

39:34

shirts and we mentioned it right they

39:37

had all been on their period at the time

39:39

of their debt the media

39:41

seized on the religious aspect

39:43

the case dubbing the unknown

39:45

tiller bible john according

39:49

to the glasgow evening times

39:51

around one hundred detectives work

39:53

the case and we mention the fact

39:55

that this was a huge investigation

39:57

a lot and sector that is one hundred

40:00

they question more than five thousand

40:03

potential suspects only twelve

40:05

months into the investigation gives

40:07

it was said that helen sister jean

40:10

candid over three hundred lineups

40:13

mean as be exhausting three

40:15

hundred mean how many de

40:18

the luck and i mean i've probably been in way

40:21

and fifteen lineups noon and last

40:23

month yeah can imagine him

40:25

go there witness but she never

40:27

saw the face of her sisters killer

40:30

among any of abdomen though

40:33

three hundred how many think are in line

40:35

up at least six right yeah would

40:37

say at least six man at

40:39

the very least as probably twenty four hundred

40:41

men she looked at in

40:44

didn't find her sister's kill eventually

40:47

maybe that starts to blend to right yeah

40:50

i mean tyrosine first more you could just get

40:52

tired depending on

40:54

how many a d

40:56

she's having to go through a day

40:59

this year's canvas every single

41:01

business and institution the

41:03

hairdressers taylor's taxi drivers

41:05

and dentist i'm sure they

41:07

work the the dentist angle looking

41:10

for patients who had

41:12

a very crooked front teeth one

41:15

of big problems they had was

41:17

getting witnesses

41:19

from the barrow land to come

41:21

for the man known as castle

41:23

milk john never came from and

41:26

you know densely the case when cold you

41:29

can get when system the mountain

41:31

speak to you ruff it

41:34

always does now is there

41:36

a reason some

41:38

of these people would not want to come

41:40

from i'm going through some outage

41:43

if i was someone who was that the barrow land

41:45

on one the night of these move don't

41:48

have any information really right wasn't

41:50

involved in the murder you i really

41:52

wanna come for no

41:55

wing there's pretty

41:57

sadistic rapist

42:00

murderer on the loose

42:02

the i want my name who

42:04

accidentally get around

42:07

that having talk to police province

42:10

i just say that i do think sometimes

42:13

there or things to consider

42:15

right that people do consider when

42:17

they're making that decision your

42:20

do i come forward and tell

42:22

the police i was there that night or

42:24

not

42:25

the negatives might not want to specially

42:27

when we dive into one of the series old

42:30

due to use very strange the castle

42:32

most john never came

42:34

forward fear i can't imagine

42:36

he didn't know han police

42:39

were wanting to talk

42:41

to him now running

42:43

through his mine maybe was they're

42:46

gonna think i had something the do

42:48

it right or maybe all three of maybe

42:51

was must be at the barrel and and nine the

42:53

he can have very different reasons for not

42:55

wanting to come forward through may

42:58

be was married as one

43:00

his wife to know where he was that

43:02

who knows in nineteen eighty

43:04

three thirty five year old

43:06

man contacted the police according

43:08

to the glasgow evening times

43:11

the man claimed his friend was

43:13

bible g this man told detectives

43:15

the pair had both regularly

43:17

attended the bearer land at the time

43:20

the murders that you didn't realize

43:23

into reading a newspaper article

43:25

in nineteen seventy that his

43:27

friend who he said used

43:29

to dress well maybe

43:31

the killer this man

43:34

his suspicions onto the police but

43:37

they didn't believe the same newspaper

43:39

reported that this man was

43:41

later found living in the

43:43

nether though i have no idea

43:46

what does me as it relates

43:49

to whether or not this man

43:51

could have been bible jaws what

43:53

do know is that nothing really ever came

43:55

out of it it's going to be hard

43:57

for something to

44:00

now when you don't believe the person

44:02

who's telling you that the tip giving

44:04

is is it right the fact

44:07

that in nineteen eighty three

44:09

disguise living in the netherlands doesn't

44:11

really mean anything when i would

44:13

like to know his wife least didn't leave

44:15

this guy there could been a very valid

44:17

reason i just never saw

44:20

according to the daily record the

44:22

killers profile the indicated

44:24

that his desire carry

44:26

out violent acts wasn't

44:28

limited to inflicting harm on of

44:31

after reviewing man who had died

44:33

by suicide in the years following

44:36

the murders investigators

44:38

decide in nineteen ninety six to

44:40

zoom the body of man named

44:42

john macinnis beginners

44:44

had taken his own life and nineteen eighty at

44:47

the age of forty one now this

44:49

guy hadn't initially been

44:52

assessed why it was said

44:54

that one of his cousin one

44:57

the dna sample was extracted

44:59

from mckenna says zoomed

45:01

remains for comparison the

45:03

semen samples found on helen

45:06

the attacks that the

45:08

tests came back in some clues then

45:11

after scotland's most senior state

45:13

prosecutor determined there was insufficient

45:16

evidence linking macinnis the

45:18

helms murder the dead man

45:20

was officially cleared of any

45:22

inbox investigators

45:24

that that something for corporate

45:27

time but here's something that i struggle

45:29

with i get that there's insufficient

45:32

evidence how does that translate

45:34

into smearing someone

45:37

involved the cats were inconclusive

45:40

how does a clear any one i never

45:43

understand the roads and we have

45:45

seen that in a number of

45:47

case the

45:48

say they did it doesn't say they didn't daughter

45:50

had you you're coming out

45:52

saying they didn't do exactly i

45:55

just don't get the in two thousand

45:57

four police started testing

45:59

the dna

46:00

they are the select group of men

46:02

in custody in the hope that they

46:04

could find a genetically who

46:06

the semen sample one

46:08

man arrested on a petty a sense

46:10

provide the sample that was said

46:12

to have been and eighty percent

46:15

mack though you're

46:17

at it was reported this man the man

46:19

was likely related who

46:22

the person who that that

46:24

semen sample the problem is

46:26

gibbs there really wasn't much

46:28

else about it i'm not

46:30

sure if the police made any

46:32

further inquiries oh

46:35

my how are they took pretty

46:38

close eighty percent eighty

46:40

percent now this is two thousand and four the

46:43

day this sounds

46:45

to me like the genetic

46:47

genealogy that is being used

46:49

to solve so many cases

46:52

that unfortunately there just wasn't much in

46:54

the research about

46:57

four in two thousand

46:59

and five it emerged that man named

47:01

john edwards who bore resemblance

47:04

to the police sketch at been arrested

47:06

following an argument with a young

47:08

woman in the barrel land

47:10

during that time frame of the murders when

47:13

edgar was taken to the hospital for

47:15

stitches following this altercation

47:18

the game hospital staff a

47:20

fake name of john why for

47:22

escaping while his hand costs

47:25

were removed when edgar voluntarily

47:27

provided a dna sample more

47:29

than thirty five years later he

47:32

was ruled out as bible john

47:34

they're just looking at everybody seems

47:37

like my in they should

47:39

be i mean this seems like some

47:41

pretty good police work to me didn't pan

47:43

out to

47:45

gone back to this eighty percent match

47:48

and then you we just don't find anything else

47:50

about right media assume that

47:52

there is nothing else follow up on that's why

47:54

we haven't heard anything

47:56

then maybe we'll talk about the dm but

47:58

it seems like with way technology

48:01

is today they should be

48:03

able to go back and maybe look

48:05

at this again in two thousand

48:07

said investigators launched

48:09

operation anagram the

48:11

research the background of convicted

48:14

serial killer peter hope

48:16

then compare his movements who

48:19

and number of unsolved murders

48:21

and bring tobin was born in scotland

48:23

and met his first wife had the barren

48:25

land in nineteen sixty after

48:28

marrying the couple moved from glasgow

48:30

blade romney south coast

48:32

of england in nineteen

48:34

sixty nine they lived there for

48:36

the next twenty then moved

48:39

between braden in glasgow between

48:42

nineteen ninety one and two thousand

48:44

said oh been murdered a teenage

48:46

girl and two young women in

48:48

south east england the also

48:50

drugged and raped to

48:52

thirteen year old girl the

48:55

monster the games or i think

48:57

lot of people view look on

48:59

line you can go through

49:01

forums and and read wire

49:03

the bore thinking the lot

49:06

of them are thinking that tobin is

49:08

is a good possible suspect

49:10

he was in his early twenty's at time

49:13

of the barrel land murder so he

49:15

was the area yeah

49:17

we know use in the area the

49:20

age range why season there

49:22

for twenty twenty

49:24

five to thirty would to

49:26

thirty five people don't

49:29

really always do real well

49:31

with with ages when they give descriptions

49:34

we just said he lived in glasgow

49:36

he met his first wife at the barrel more

49:39

circumstantial evidence came to light when

49:41

it emerged that all three

49:43

of turbans x was later told

49:46

police that he regularly

49:48

job to salted and rate during

49:51

their marriages but one the most compelling

49:53

pieces of circumstantial evidence

49:56

incriminating him where the

49:58

planes made by his why is that

50:01

if they were on their years

50:03

when tobin wanted to have sex this

50:06

drove him into rage resulting

50:08

in physical five this

50:10

could explain why

50:12

these three victims or been

50:15

so savagely maybe

50:18

i will john during his the

50:20

tag

50:21

when he found out they run appear it just went

50:24

into rage

50:25

according to the scotsman tobin

50:28

was a religious man the wind

50:30

by as many as forty

50:32

different listen one

50:36

which was said to have been john

50:38

simple and would go back to

50:41

helen sister jean that

50:43

sounds very similar

50:45

the one of the names that

50:47

she said viable john

50:50

gave her and she's ever john sultan

50:53

yeah

50:54

running a guy that goes by forty

50:57

different aliases might just added

50:59

c o n on one of course that's

51:01

lot alias sir that

51:03

as many as you have but it's lot it is

51:06

the goodness i have that app on

51:08

my phone the alias generator

51:10

yes now there are some reasons

51:13

why peter tobin

51:15

might not be as killer he

51:17

was living in brighton at the

51:19

time the murders were committed

51:22

also tobin seal

51:25

the bodies of his victims

51:27

by bearing though

51:30

obviously much differ bible

51:32

john left the bodies

51:34

of his victims out in

51:36

the open in public

51:38

places he had to have known

51:40

gives they were going to be discovered very

51:42

very quick coburn

51:45

the had much different hair then

51:47

what bible john has the police

51:49

sketch investigators ran

51:51

turbans dna against the semen

51:54

sample the problem is

51:56

the sample had great overtime

51:59

the nauseum he is

52:01

it also the sad

52:03

that it wasn't appropriately

52:05

preserved there was

52:07

enough data to conclude

52:10

that it was in a match to

52:12

what this degradation of

52:15

the semen sample might

52:17

make hard to do what i suggested

52:20

which you know why is the

52:22

use this kind of genetic

52:25

genealogy to figure out the

52:27

family and the narrow down to

52:29

the actual perpetrators them

52:31

i have a a tough time doing

52:34

maybe one day they're gonna have the fire

52:36

and in it too regenerate

52:40

dna that will be great

52:42

their raw razor pretty smart

52:44

people out there that people come up with

52:47

amazing things all the time when

52:49

helen sister jeanne was shown

52:51

photos of tobin she was sure

52:54

that he was not the

52:56

same man he encountered

52:58

on the night helen was killed though

53:01

i didn't when you take everything

53:03

and put it together he doesn't

53:05

seem like that individual

53:08

yes he said doesn't

53:10

seem likely to be

53:11

bible jones and i seek investigators

53:14

believe that and have eliminated

53:16

him as a suspect over

53:18

the years multiple one have

53:20

reported being sexually assaulted by

53:23

men they'd mad at the barrel

53:25

lands in the late nineteen sixty

53:28

in two thousand seven it emerged

53:30

that one woman named hannah marie alleged

53:33

she was assaulted by man she

53:35

met at to dance or in april

53:38

of nineteen sixty nine is

53:40

detailed in the both the last british

53:42

serial killer by criminologists

53:44

david wilson the attack left

53:47

hand of pregnant and she gave birth

53:49

to a baby girl in january

53:51

nineteen seven than

53:53

his father force her to give the baby

53:55

up for adoption and kicked her

53:57

out of the house helen potok

53:59

says there the died

54:02

in september two thousand and ten he

54:04

didn't the only living person believed

54:06

to have come face to face with

54:09

this perpetrator known as

54:11

bible job his two thousand

54:13

and thirteen book dancing with the devil

54:15

former police officer paul harrison

54:18

alleged that bible john was

54:20

never apprehended because was

54:22

a police officer also

54:25

claimed investigators were aware of

54:27

this factor bouncers

54:29

that the barrel land reported that man

54:31

who regularly attended code

54:34

other patrons are a warrant car

54:37

which is the scottish equivalent

54:39

of police id there

54:41

was another theory that the killer

54:43

was enlisted in the armed force then

54:46

he couldn't be located because he was

54:48

out of country but even distributing

54:50

the composite sketch to british

54:52

armed forces bases worldwide

54:55

didn't help it was as though bible

54:57

john had disappeared into center harrison

55:00

told the daily record he knows

55:02

who the man is and where he lives

55:04

but for now is unable

55:06

to name him public the

55:09

strange state well

55:11

it's interesting yeah and also

55:13

strange i would use that word as

55:15

well suited to me it really

55:17

comes down to to to say either

55:20

does have really good evidence

55:22

right are of who the killer is

55:24

but not enough evidence that he

55:26

feels comfortable publicly

55:29

naming the sky the view name

55:32

somebody as a killer the

55:34

really putting yourself out there better

55:36

be built back it up in your opening yourself

55:38

up for a great deal of liability

55:40

i guess that the the alternative

55:43

is he have hunch

55:45

of who it is and therefore don't

55:48

really have evidence nowhere

55:50

near enough evidence to the

55:53

some i didn't we want he'll

55:55

come for we have to time he

55:58

the be interviewed to the daily right obviously

56:01

this man was alive the he said

56:03

he knows where he lives the gives

56:05

this cases well over fifty

56:07

years old though the

56:10

just based on that you

56:12

would think the perpetrator would

56:15

be somewhere between seventy

56:18

the to maybe than eighty five years

56:20

old right if they were so what

56:22

if maybe the

56:24

you still live and until he passes the

56:27

guy's gonna stay quiet when someone

56:29

dies the big your liability

56:32

changes some was sir saying

56:34

certain things about no

56:36

one of the things and best years or dad

56:38

it's time was whether

56:40

any of the victims were murdered by

56:43

their partner send you would expect that

56:45

should be first person the one the first

56:47

individuals that the police look

56:49

aggro the cursor dockers

56:52

ex husband provided a solid

56:54

alibi he was excluded

56:57

helen's husband to was excluded

56:59

early on although he really wasn't

57:02

that what our was based

57:04

on there was nothing to suggest

57:07

that helen george were having

57:10

marital problems or or anything like that

57:12

then we always have to explore the possibility

57:15

that more than one killer

57:18

was operating in

57:20

glasgow the time preying

57:22

on women as the barrel

57:25

lands i don't know you can completely

57:27

discount that the erie

57:30

we can i don't believe gives everybody

57:33

one hundred percent believe that

57:35

all of these murders or there's

57:38

one theory that the same

57:40

individual killed july

57:42

mcdonalds and helen pathak

57:44

but that patricia dockers killer

57:47

was someone completely that

57:49

gears have received some criticism

57:52

what some people have called tunnel vision

57:54

and focusing on only the theory of a single

57:57

perpetrator i can

57:59

understand in this case

58:01

why they believe all

58:04

three women were killed by the same

58:06

person i find it hard believe

58:08

that they weren't just been here it all

58:10

adds up to me that they would be please

58:12

all the time our criticized

58:15

for handled his sure

58:17

most time when we talk about

58:19

it's it's because they've locked in

58:21

on a suspect very very early

58:24

on to the exclusion

58:26

of looking at other people

58:29

which is back the news case i

58:31

am have hard time disagreeing

58:33

with the single killer

58:36

fears agree with you seems

58:38

most logical now what i do

58:40

find extremely interesting

58:43

there's that bible john

58:45

is not believe to be responsible

58:47

for any further no

58:50

murders around scotland

58:52

or britain it's hard for me to

58:54

bully that man like this

58:57

who committed the the

58:59

rapes and murders he did

59:01

in the way that he did we

59:03

just all the sudden say nope

59:06

it's it not going to

59:08

do that anymore yeah i'm

59:10

good now yes i find that

59:12

hard to believe based on all the research

59:15

that you and i have done on serial

59:17

killers that's definitely not

59:19

the norm make it good either

59:22

moved on the morales read

59:25

was arrested on something or

59:27

he died one in think the

59:30

other thing that ran through my mind was

59:32

that could he have kept

59:34

doing the same thing maybe

59:36

not targeting women at the parallax

59:39

switched it up switched it up dot

59:41

quoting bible verses because the

59:43

paper was calling him bible

59:46

january changed up his

59:48

ammo the little bit then

59:51

it would be much tougher i think for

59:53

police to lane this

59:56

killer with those three murder yeah

59:58

because everything would be so different

1:00:01

he could have moved somewhere

1:00:03

and and kept doing it and then again

1:00:05

it would have been harder to put together as well we

1:00:09

mentioned it over fifty years have passed

1:00:11

but the investigation remains open

1:00:14

some detectives still

1:00:16

maintain a someone in

1:00:18

the killers inner circle knows

1:00:22

what he's done knows who he is

1:00:25

but is protecting courses

1:00:27

possibility has always possibility

1:00:30

yeah nine given the age

1:00:33

given how many years have passed

1:00:36

every year it's more and more likely that

1:00:38

this killer there's no longer

1:00:40

alive in every year as more

1:00:42

and more likely that anybody

1:00:44

who would have known what he did

1:00:47

there's no longer a that's is

1:00:49

how time according to the

1:00:51

daily record as recently

1:00:53

as late two thousand twenty one there

1:00:56

was a movement with other potential

1:00:58

person's adventurous when updated

1:01:00

versions of the police sketch were

1:01:02

released to the public dozens

1:01:04

of tips were received these

1:01:07

were told about one man who regularly

1:01:09

attended glass goes dance

1:01:11

halls the religious and

1:01:13

worked in a glasgow laboratory

1:01:16

before moving to dump police

1:01:18

found out that this man took his own life

1:01:20

in mid nineteen seventies

1:01:23

could he be bible down possibly

1:01:26

yeah now we know i stopped if

1:01:28

it was him if it wasn't the or

1:01:30

even if this killer is

1:01:32

that the there's a the

1:01:34

chance that he is after all

1:01:37

the time that his pass nice

1:01:39

to know that this investigation is so

1:01:41

open it's nice

1:01:43

to know that as recently

1:01:45

as late last year there was movement

1:01:48

i don't know the viability

1:01:51

of you that semen sample

1:01:53

and what they can pause far dna

1:01:56

you could they now get into some

1:01:58

of this net a junior

1:02:00

well gee that's that's being used

1:02:02

possibly hopefully they're give a shot

1:02:05

would you want to see his you know resolution

1:02:07

for the victim's families you

1:02:10

the had sober those children

1:02:12

i'm seen any justice know for

1:02:15

their mothers they were left

1:02:17

to grow up without their mothers

1:02:20

it's brutal cakes and

1:02:22

there's no doubt gibbs that whoever

1:02:25

this guy it was a nasty

1:02:28

there still is the nasty

1:02:30

individually i find it very

1:02:33

hard to believe that after

1:02:36

three rapes and murders

1:02:39

that he committed in in the brutal way

1:02:41

that he did that he would voluntarily

1:02:44

that right

1:02:46

i just find that very hard to believe the

1:02:48

near the fact that probably in

1:02:50

his mind justified

1:02:52

is murderers because of is religious

1:02:55

beliefs the you're on the right track

1:02:58

they can his mind he did if

1:03:00

you have any information on the murders

1:03:03

a patricia docker jeremiah

1:03:05

mcdonald or helen put out you

1:03:08

can make an anonymous report to

1:03:10

crimestoppers uk as

1:03:12

zero eight zero zero five

1:03:14

five five one one one that's

1:03:16

a good for our episode on

1:03:18

the unsolved bible john

1:03:20

murders the tunnel cakes

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that like we said some amazing

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technology for is that we have

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now there will be amazing technology

1:03:30

that comes out

1:03:32

within the next five years ten

1:03:34

years you know i

1:03:36

am more hopeful today there

1:03:39

when we first started this podcast

1:03:42

some of these older cases are

1:03:44

densely going to be saw don't

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always gonna come around to were seen

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it mounting something's gonna come out

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that's a voicemail want check those out for

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she had nail on the head though because you're

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after we record they

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alison i'm calling from new brunswick

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canada has been listen

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almost two years now and

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a loveless seems his eyes a

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, yes shows that

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you're playing a

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lot of stuff has there been a very

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interesting to me and i'm wondering

1:05:26

if if are interested

1:05:29

in a couple of old

1:05:32

cases that are here in new brunswick

1:05:34

canada

1:05:35

no mentors ah from

1:05:39

nineteen ninety

1:05:41

three ninety one and

1:05:45

almas year our allies

1:05:47

year anyway aside

1:05:49

my chances of me having look

1:05:52

at both those are either one of those

1:05:54

and doing have some old blurb

1:05:56

on them ah me

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i know what's going on with okay i

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can rest the world by says

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understand sell their respective

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other way , hadn't a solo

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an issue

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that does are probably solve cases i believe

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i was prime meant for t cabin up or down

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they get so tired of it and i'm like

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be aware unit know what is

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plan is kids now are so in their

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come up and had lot of her hair and

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they wouldn't the know and that's terrifying

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and he's a and i just really

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really sad a hammer home to him

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you have to be aware of nurses

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only i'm only thirty eight five

1:07:00

times when i was throwing us it's

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not like it is now and it's terrifying

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it

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i agree i mean the phone

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thing and i mentioned it to you

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before dibs have gotten out of

1:07:27

the car

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was it a mall in were at

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a job as a know some parking

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lot the wife kids out my daughter's

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get out shut the door

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they're walking they're looking in

1:07:39

phone i'm like okay if i'm

1:07:41

not here who

1:07:43

is looking out the who's got your head

1:07:45

on a swivel yeah nobody them

1:07:48

to what i thought you yes and

1:07:50

i talk about it all the time yeah

1:07:53

i do think it's important i'm not obsessive

1:07:55

about there's maybe i talk about

1:07:57

it too most people think tanks i'm just walking

1:07:59

or swiveling but

1:08:02

i always know when i get out of car who's

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park next to me was going on behind

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me and i'm i'm scanning a senior

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managers moving your address shuffling you're from

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, a little danger can look like our

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