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Hello, everyone and welcome depths of

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to forty seven of the true crime all

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the time unsolved podcast. Mike

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1:59

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2:01

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2:04

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3:34

I am ready we're talking about

3:36

the two thousand six unsolved

3:38

murder of Candace Hills.

3:41

Seventeen year old Candace Hilts was

3:43

enjoying life. The at a large group

3:45

of good friends. He did

3:47

exceptionally well with her college

3:49

courses, have job she enjoyed

3:52

as well as loving family. Which

3:54

included her eleven month old

3:56

baby girl. He and his was described

3:59

by some. Sassy or

4:01

address. Candice was

4:03

on the side of the underdog. And

4:05

she wouldn't hesitate to step in

4:08

if she thought that the underdog

4:10

was receiving poor treatment. You

4:12

wouldn't tolerate both. Especially

4:15

where her disabled brother was concerned.

4:18

This worked well for Candace. He

4:20

really believed Gibbs that she was

4:22

making difference in the world, are

4:24

you know what the world needs more people like that,

4:26

yeah, when you hear somebody described

4:29

as sassy? Okay, that

4:31

might bring up. Certain connotations,

4:34

the word "aggressive" might bring up

4:36

different connotation, your

4:39

I kind of took it as.

4:42

She just wasn't gonna put up with any be, yes,

4:44

yeah. The end. She

4:46

was going to look out for the

4:48

underdog. Yeah, think you're right.

4:51

We need more people in the world like

4:53

that. Who are not afraid?

4:55

The stand up to the bullies of

4:57

the world. Speak your mind. As

5:00

reported by curved Middle of

5:02

the Denver Post. On August,

5:04

ten two thousand six lieutenant

5:07

Robert done a fremont County

5:09

deputies drove up to the whole,

5:11

says home and copper golds, Colorado.

5:14

The question Dolores Hills, his son

5:16

James about trespassing

5:18

and Robbery complained that had been made. One

5:21

of the hell's his neighbors reported that

5:23

someone had broken into their home. And

5:26

stone some tools. Including

5:28

several hatch. Debbie

5:30

Dodd believe the James Hilts may

5:32

have committed the burglary. In wanted

5:35

to speak to James about. James,

5:37

his mother Dolores knew that there was

5:39

no way the James had committed

5:41

the crime. The explained deputy

5:43

da the James suffered from

5:45

severe social anxiety. In

5:48

other mental health disorders. The

5:50

symptoms were so severe that he

5:52

couldn't tolerate. Living in the

5:54

family home. Though he stayed

5:56

in small, our building behind the family

5:58

home. The and. Weighted himself

6:01

from every. He said there was

6:03

no way the James could tolerate

6:05

entering another person's home. When

6:07

he was nearly unable to be in his own

6:10

families. Despite his

6:12

explanation from doors. The

6:14

odd continued to assert that James was

6:16

suspect in the robbery and he insisted

6:18

on questioning. Seventeen

6:21

year old Candace James his sister.

6:23

stood near window. Listen

6:26

to that conversation. He became

6:28

upset and to tone the deputy

6:30

used with her mother. Then and the things

6:32

that he said about her, bro. We talked

6:34

about give'sanders sanders was not

6:36

the type of person. To tolerate

6:39

bullies. Especially those

6:41

who picked on her loved one. Then

6:43

she's not going to be quiet about this

6:45

known she was an I'd get certain

6:48

point. "You just couldn't take it

6:50

anymore what was being said and

6:52

she shouted that the deputy" Well.

6:55

Let's face it. The ip these police

6:57

officers law enforcement in general.

7:00

They're not real keen on that know, and

7:03

this Deputy wasn't either he

7:05

threatened to arrest Candice, but

7:07

she was defiant. She held out her hand and

7:10

she told him that she had witnessed,

7:12

am accepting envelopes

7:15

from drug dealers in town. Deputy.

7:21

Even more and he stormed out

7:23

of the hills home later. Dolores,

7:26

said, Candice had lot of spunk and

7:28

she really showed it that day

7:32

is. You can say, you know, is it a

7:34

good idea to go

7:36

at the police like that? Well,

7:38

maybe not, but

7:40

I took it as you really felt that

7:42

this guy was bullying, her. and

7:46

she's. They had to step in there.

7:49

The says you sassy and can be aggressive.

7:51

Let's take a deep dive into

7:54

Candice's backgrounds, she became

7:56

mother at young age. The dad

7:58

didn't stop her from him. The new really

8:00

trying to better for sale. Her

8:02

daughter was born with spine abyss. Candice

8:05

wanted to spend as much time with her she could.

8:08

The and his was gift deadly,

8:10

intelligent child. Skipped

8:13

several grades in school. The

8:15

of the age of seventeen. She

8:17

was about to graduate from Brigham

8:20

Young University. Where's she

8:22

participates in an online program

8:24

so she could be with her daughter? Then

8:27

she plan to attend Stanford law

8:29

school after that. That's really

8:31

impressive. I mean, you

8:33

know, this is Doogie Howser, like

8:35

stuff here, know he probably went when he was fourteen,

8:38

but. The and seventeen

8:40

years old.

8:41

We wrap it up for years of college at Saw,

8:44

it's really impressive, yeah.

8:46

The man.

8:47

Then the plan to go on to

8:49

Stanford law school. Okay.

8:52

Very ambitious. Sanders

8:54

had a dream to serve as justice on

8:56

the Supreme Court wonder. The

8:59

no doubt she was very bright student. They

9:01

also had very large group of friends.

9:04

She cared about others and we mentioned it

9:06

right, she'd special place in her

9:08

hard for the underdog. Those

9:11

people who are unpopular. Those

9:13

people who were marginalized

9:16

and I see. It was. The

9:18

obvious that she learned much

9:20

of this by watching what

9:22

heard disabled brother James

9:24

and her daughter endured

9:26

on a daily basis. No doubt

9:28

Candace was not shy about speaking

9:30

her mind. She held some pretty

9:33

strong opinions and she was not shy

9:35

in expressing. Then I think that benefit

9:37

of her through life. It certainly can.

9:40

Now, sometimes it can backfire on

9:42

you as well. You know one of the

9:44

things that I've talked with

9:46

my daughter's about over

9:48

and over. This. The

9:50

number one you have to go after

9:52

the things that you want, yeah? Then.

9:55

You have to make your intentions

9:57

know you have to. You

9:59

know? How people what you want people

10:02

just aren't going to hand you

10:04

say no never. If you want

10:06

something. That say

10:08

want this and I'm going to work hard

10:10

to get it, and those are things that are

10:13

trying to teach them. Now openly

10:15

speaking your mind about certain things

10:17

come back, fire there's no doubt

10:20

even more, so think in today's times.

10:23

Depending on what side of certain

10:25

issues you fall on this very true? You're

10:28

gonna get some backlash. The

10:30

Times, but you have to admire

10:32

somebody that. The willing to put.

10:35

They fill up there and live with the consequences,

10:37

yes, yeah, agree to you do

10:40

have to admire those people. Because

10:42

they know. Maybe what they're

10:44

saying is not going to be popular

10:47

with this group or that groups,

10:49

but it's what they believe. Then are willing

10:51

to say what they have the say.

10:54

The even knowing that there's the possibility

10:57

they're gonna say some backlash. The

10:59

probably sleep in Okay night, according to

11:01

the Denver Post three days

11:03

after the with Deputy

11:06

died. The hilts has found

11:08

their dog murdered in the woods behind their

11:10

whole. He had been tied to a tree with

11:12

blood-stained rope and killed

11:15

with an axe that would you take

11:17

that you

11:18

come home? You can't find your dog

11:20

is Wonder out in the woods and you find

11:22

him tied to tree murdered, why?

11:23

I think you. First of

11:26

all, your heartbroken sure, you

11:28

know, any time you lose. a

11:30

beloved pet, it breaks your heart. To

11:33

find that your pet

11:35

has been murdered. I think done

11:38

something. completely

11:40

different. And given

11:42

what had happened just three days prior.

11:45

Doesn't have the into your mind that

11:47

may be there's a correlation

11:49

there there's some type of connection, something.

11:52

They get asked that question. Two

11:54

days after that gruesome event

11:56

on August, fifteenth, two thousand

11:59

said. Laura's hills left

12:01

her home and around noon to run some

12:03

errands and she returned around

12:05

three thirty p.m. The entered the

12:07

house and immediately noticed blood

12:09

spatter. In pools of

12:11

blood all over the for. There was

12:13

no sign of can't. Who had remained

12:16

at home with her and sind da? The

12:18

moors heard her granddaughter page

12:20

screaming, but there was no sign of

12:22

Kinda. The war's new, the candice

12:25

would never have laughed her baby unattended.

12:28

Though she continued to search the home,

12:31

she eventually found candice

12:33

under canvases bet.

12:34

The have been brutally and violently killed

12:37

in her own home. The killer

12:40

had wrapped her body and a green blind. And

12:42

shoved her under the bed.

12:44

Witnessing something that no parents

12:46

should ever have to see. The more

12:48

saw that Candace was missing about

12:51

seventy five percent of or school.

12:53

The killer had pulverized it during

12:55

the attack.

12:56

The Morris tearfully later recalled

12:59

I held her hand. Then she said

13:01

goodbye to her murdered daughter.

13:03

The man. It's extremely

13:05

ross, I mean.

13:07

In the span of what's

13:09

three days? The family

13:11

dog is murdered. The

13:13

mother. Leave the home

13:16

to go, run some errands and returns

13:18

and finds her daughter more. The

13:20

murdered and. And especially

13:23

brutal way. The

13:25

fremont County sheriff's office and

13:27

corner were called out to investigate.

13:30

Than eleven page report. Was

13:32

generated the detail that the

13:34

autopsy performed on Candace.

13:37

revealed that she had been shot multiple

13:39

times. Though than her fraud and

13:41

back in that two shots

13:44

had been fired simultaneously. The

13:46

indicating the presence of multiple

13:48

killed. And is was hit

13:50

with a shotgun blast to her nose.

13:53

She took five small caliber shots

13:56

to her back, and one medium

13:58

caliber bullet was fired. The third

14:00

gone into or hard. The report

14:02

also noted that some of the shots came

14:04

from someone standing on the sofa,

14:07

most likely since the shots

14:09

were fired at downward and. The

14:11

medical examiner stated that.

14:14

Three killers were possibly and ball.

14:17

Investigators with the fremont County

14:19

Sheriff's Office immediately focus on

14:21

James Candice's brother. We

14:23

mentioned it James suffered from extreme

14:26

social anxiety. Which made it

14:28

impossible for him to spend time

14:30

with either his sister or

14:32

his eight brothers, let alone

14:34

strangers. It was this crippling

14:36

condition. The drove him out of the

14:38

family home to live in isolation

14:40

and building behind the whole. Two

14:43

detectives were in charge of Candice's

14:45

murder case, deputy briscoe

14:48

and deputy lieutenant that. The

14:50

immediately put out bowler.

14:53

For James Hills. the told

14:55

the public that he was an armed

14:57

and dangerous man who should not be approached.

15:00

What if he was seen? You

15:02

call the fremont County Sheriff's off. When

15:05

James was found three days following

15:07

his sister's murder. The been going

15:09

through difficult time. In avoided

15:11

contact with every one. Though.

15:14

The hadn't yet been told. His

15:17

sister more. It was said gives

15:19

that he was told the news during his

15:21

interrogation. What way to find

15:23

out that year. This there's been murdered.

15:25

Assuming he didn't have anything to do with it

15:28

is. This would be an

15:30

unbelievably. Half

15:32

time for him for number of different

15:34

reason. Like you said, very

15:37

tough way to find out that your sister

15:39

was murdered for. My thought is

15:42

person who had some

15:44

of the things that. James

15:47

experience. Would have very

15:49

tough time. Inside police

15:52

station. In an interrogation

15:54

room. Being talk to buy,

15:57

you know, couple, detective's just

15:59

on that. "The love, yeah, just based

16:01

on all the things that it was", said.

16:04

He had going on, right? That

16:06

would be for Matt. Let alone,

16:09

you know finding out that your sister had been murdered

16:11

year. Though James was brought

16:13

into the fremont County sheriff's office

16:15

building and question, he wanted

16:17

to know why police had brought man.

16:20

Than was casually told that he was

16:22

suspected of killing his sister. James

16:25

insisted that he had nothing to do with

16:27

her, Marie. Despite James, the

16:29

Nile deputies Briscoe and

16:31

Ah. Hold him that they knew

16:33

he had done. They just wanted to know

16:36

why he did it. The James

16:38

continued to insist that he

16:40

was innocent. The again, assuming

16:42

that James's. The in true for.

16:45

Is already? Dress now.

16:47

Being they're stressed out because he found

16:49

out his sister's been murdered.

16:51

Now the stress level as to be even higher.

16:54

Because you're being told we believe

16:56

you did it. You're guilty. You

16:59

killed your sister. That's be the worst

17:01

scenario for somebody like James, yeah,

17:04

I mean, have social anxiety.

17:06

You know that I've talked about it before

17:08

I don't know if I've talked about on this podcast or

17:10

not. But don't have extreme

17:13

social anxiety to the level that.

17:16

James. Obviously.

17:19

Does? The way it was described

17:21

in the way that we've tried to relay is. If

17:24

this was so extreme. That

17:26

he couldn't even hang out with his family,

17:29

yeah. The how's he going to

17:31

function in wears a couple

17:33

of detectives, your rights this

17:35

had to be the worst possible scenario for

17:37

him and then. You heap

17:40

on top of it. The fact

17:42

that they are saying, "Hey, we know you killed

17:44

your sister, just tell us why you did grow

17:46

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17:48

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When investigators as to lloris for

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the name of James's friends,

20:16

she told them honestly that he hadn't.

20:19

Not even a single friend. How

20:21

could he have any friends with the type of disorder here?

20:24

Yeah, I would imagine it would be very

20:26

difficult. Jane Held remained

20:29

the investigator's number one suspect

20:31

in Candice's murder. Despite

20:34

the fact that he didn't know. War,

20:36

have access to a firearm. The

20:38

didn't have any friends. You

20:41

could have participated in the crime.

20:43

The U.N. investigators found no evidence

20:46

linking him to the murder. The

20:48

moors has been critical regarding

20:51

the investigation performed by the

20:53

sheriff's deputies. As reported

20:55

by Kurt Mitchell after the investigators

20:58

completed processing the crimes. The

21:00

more sound and anew shotgun shell.

21:03

In her grand daughter's cribs and

21:05

boards near the fireplace. You

21:07

noted that they left behind the blood

21:09

drenched blanket. Used

21:12

to wrap Candice's body. The

21:14

also failed to taken to evidence

21:16

bloodstained town. That

21:18

she assumed was handled by

21:20

one or more of the sauce.

21:22

And I think this assumption Gibbs

21:24

comes from the. The more

21:26

saying that she left the pile

21:29

of laundered towels on top of the

21:31

dryer. Those cows

21:33

were handled. The least she

21:35

believes they were by at least one of the killers

21:37

in the home that day. The Queen

21:39

himself off. The use towels

21:41

were found in a garbage bag on Trail

21:43

fifteen which was local roads

21:46

and Dolores later identified them

21:48

as belonging to her. Subsequent

21:51

DNA testing of the towel show that

21:53

it belonged to an unknown male and

21:55

did not come from any one in the same. However,

21:58

despite this evidence. The hills

22:00

is the only person. Known

22:02

to be investigated as suspect

22:04

in the murder. The gives we've got lot

22:07

going on here. No, do more

22:09

saying that. You found

22:11

shotgun shell? Woods

22:13

near the fireplace. The

22:15

already left behind this blood

22:18

drenched blanket. Okay, if

22:20

that's true. The pretty shoddy

22:22

police work. You'd have to say that.

22:25

Yeah. It's hard not to think

22:27

that at the very least there might

22:29

be some evidentiary

22:32

value. To some of those

22:34

things. I would think you want.

22:36

All those items. As reported

22:39

by Kurt Mitchell, Hills family

22:41

relatives later found Candice's sir.

22:43

Outside the house. stained

22:46

deliberately with her blood. The

22:48

Morris explain that to crime scene

22:50

was left unsecured for three days. When

22:53

fcs so investigators failed

22:55

to use crime scene tape and that

22:57

they left the house on lot during this

22:59

period of time. This is all true.

23:02

They did a really bad job with

23:04

the investigation. It is true. I

23:07

mean. We're only. The

23:09

fading.

23:10

What was reported to curb

23:12

Metro and then what he reported right,

23:15

that's all we can do right.

23:17

With the assistance of one of her sons,

23:19

Delors purchased a large plastic

23:21

bin. The into which she placed

23:23

all the evidence she says was overlooked

23:26

by the fcs so and

23:28

she took it to the sheriff's office. Five

23:31

months after Kansas was killed. The

23:33

lawyers filed a complaint with the attorney

23:35

general's office regarding the careless

23:37

manner in which they investigated Candice's

23:40

slayings and their mishandling

23:42

of the evidence pertaining to

23:44

her case. The day we record

23:46

reported that two years after the murder. Green

23:49

Hills face burglary charges but

23:51

was found not guilty. Hi

23:53

reason of insanity and

23:55

was placed at an inpatient mental hospice.

23:58

The each time, James. This review to

24:00

see if he could be safely release. Prosecutors

24:04

in the sheriff attended the reviews to

24:06

argue against. Saying

24:08

he was store's suspect in his sister's

24:10

more. The more hills told reporters,

24:13

Kirkman. The long believe

24:15

that the fremont County Sheriff's Office.

24:18

Sadly, bungled the investigation

24:20

into her daughter's death. The'and and

24:22

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involvement. The suspect's other

26:01

than her son. The in late two

26:03

thousand and sixteen. The guy, by

26:05

the name of Rick Ross last,

26:07

had a side gig that sometimes

26:09

made him money. The purchase storage

26:12

units that the runners had abandoned.

26:15

They would be offered for sale. Helping

26:17

the store's owners recoup some of their losses

26:20

while getting someone else to clean out the unit

26:22

for new run. The person

26:24

buying the unit, hope to find die

26:26

you bore at least reasonable, goes

26:28

with it. The like funding the do. Yeah,

26:31

I mean they've made reality shows that

26:33

been a number of. Pretty

26:35

successful reality shows about.

26:38

beating on the storage units

26:40

hoping to find of goldmine

26:43

with then. The time you find

26:45

bunch of crap and sometimes you find

26:47

something that's worth lot of money or probably

26:49

find bunch of crap I would do is probably

26:52

why you and don't do it there it.

26:54

would be cool the finally Jimmy

26:56

hoffa His. Actual body,

26:58

you like, you know, someone put him in a storage

27:01

unit, I gotcha for thirty years or whatever

27:03

it's been there, and finally someone

27:05

forgot to make that one payment. didn't know

27:07

you were going to go that macabre on

27:09

me by sir, I'm a psych any like any.

27:12

I finally solved it, people. The

27:14

ago. It would be nice

27:16

if you solve the mystery of Jimmy, half give

27:19

you that. In December, two thousand and

27:21

sixteen Rick Ross laugh.

27:24

Or just a storage unit at Dawson

27:26

Ranch, many stores for fifty dollars

27:29

after the Renner sell behind

27:31

in his room. The man tried

27:33

to pay what was owed with bad check. Wrap

27:35

last, cut the lock on the unit and.

27:38

Looked inside to see

27:40

why he could find. What he experience

27:43

was strong and pleasant odor. Then

27:45

you smell before he even put one

27:47

foot in saw. Searching out

27:49

the source of the odor, Rick found an axe

27:52

bloody row. Source

27:54

said had been soaked in blood. The inside

27:57

of manila envelope labeled

27:59

as. According to Curb Mitchell

28:02

at the Denver Post. Rick

28:04

Ross laugh as he went through the contents

28:06

of the storage unit. Also found

28:08

stacks of red and blue police

28:10

lied several Brown shares uniform,

28:13

some bearing Robber Dog's name.

28:16

The boxes of court documents, in

28:18

addition to the blood soaked, died.

28:21

It gives there's no way that Rick

28:23

could have known. That what

28:25

he had just discovered. Was

28:27

about to touch off firestorm

28:29

of controversy in Candice's

28:32

case. The after he notified

28:34

the fremont County sheriff of the spine.

28:37

The in an investigation was conducted

28:39

to determine who own the unit. It

28:41

was soon discovered that the owner.

28:44

There's none other than deputy lieutenant

28:46

Robber done. It was also discovered

28:48

that the blood soaked as it. Came

28:51

from the murder scene of Candace Hills.

28:54

The I blew some people thought maybe the rope

28:56

and the axe might have been from.

28:59

When the family dog was murdered.

29:01

This evidence apparently had been

29:03

stored in the basement of the sheriff's office

29:05

at one point before being moved to

29:07

this personally. The doors, yeah.

29:10

What the big question gives everyone

29:12

was asked? Was why would

29:14

Dodd store evidence in his

29:16

personal store, June?

29:19

There, you know, we done several cases

29:21

where we've had this issue with. The evidence

29:24

be moved. You know, or

29:26

been destroyed. The girls.

29:28

The place their house. It

29:31

gets flooded or gets destroyed

29:33

or someone decides to throw it out.

29:36

Why would a deputy? Though the need to

29:38

take it. The evidence room in basement

29:41

and put it in his own personal stores, you know?

29:44

Yeah, it's kinda hard to figure out

29:46

why. There would be

29:48

the need to do something like that. The

29:51

moors told the paper that the evidence found

29:53

hidden away and dodge storage units

29:56

meant that she no longer had

29:58

to fear. That her son. The was

30:00

going to be framed for Candice's

30:02

that. I know for all that time, gibbs,

30:05

she was so worried. That.

30:08

Her son James was gonna be charged

30:11

dance, maybe even exist.

30:14

Candace is Marie. He said he saw

30:16

him as an easy target. Because

30:18

of is fragile emotional state. Because

30:21

he lived in our building in the woods.

30:24

Due to his extreme phobia, bother to. Something

30:27

that would enrage his sister. If

30:29

she had been alive to learn of.

30:32

(image) Ten years writing years that

30:34

they had to. Go through this.

30:37

Well, with that kind of hang over.

30:40

Everyone's head. Right, he's the prime

30:42

suspect. Are they

30:45

going to charge him? The

30:47

just a matter of time.

30:49

That's a lot of stress on sandwich,

30:51

your, yeah? The discovery of

30:53

the storage unit. Made his way back

30:55

the dad. And according to.

30:58

The matter, what the Denver Post?

31:00

This prompted some of God's family

31:02

members to. Contact.

31:05

That's laugh to try to buy. Fact,

31:08

the contents of the store's unit from him. Ref

31:10

lap decline or offers. That's

31:13

laugh", told reporters Kirk Mitchell that.

31:15

The called cheer Biker" to come down

31:18

to the unit. regarding the

31:20

evidence that he had found.

31:22

Last last recorded this interaction to

31:24

have a record of what was said.

31:26

Like, are confronted him into storage unit

31:29

and warned him to keep quiet about

31:31

the items that. Then warned

31:33

him that his wife to be in danger. The

31:35

biker looked around the storage unit, RA's

31:38

last said that. Michael pointed

31:40

to a backpack. The said

31:42

it was also linked to the Hilt's

31:44

murder case. He told RAF

31:47

laughed open it. Inside

31:49

was kinda, says bloodstains sure.

31:52

The work on weird is that the US, when the

31:54

share of gets there, he points out that backpack

31:56

and as rest laugh. Open it up.

31:59

In their bodies. In there when seven is,

32:01

why would you want anybody to touch evidence?

32:04

Not to mention the fact that he said,

32:06

"Hey, keep quiet, don't tell anybody

32:08

about the stops and warned

32:10

him that his life" Could be

32:12

in danger. I would you like the in danger.

32:15

Yeah. Then. Then do the right

32:17

thing. We talked about the eleven

32:20

page autopsy report earlier.

32:22

It states that to or possibly

32:25

even three individuals were

32:27

involved in causing candice's that.

32:29

The an article written by serum mater.

32:32

For the daily record. Highlights

32:35

several years contained in the official

32:37

eleven page report. Intersection

32:39

labeled scene investigation. The

32:42

report states that Candace his boyfriend.

32:44

Was not identified by name and the

32:46

report. Was the one to discover

32:49

her body in the Hills home? wage

32:51

dolores claims is untrue. Because

32:54

it was her. The found her daughter.

32:57

The underneath the bed. The more is

32:59

further explained to the reporter that's

33:01

the son of one of her friends was

33:03

at the house before the war's left

33:05

a runner. That he was not

33:07

Candice's boy for. The report

33:10

also stated that Candice's boyfriend

33:12

entered the home to find baby page

33:14

screen. Though he took her out

33:16

of the home, in handed the baby to

33:18

is why. Her friends on did

33:21

not remove page from the home and

33:23

is not mere. The Daily

33:25

Record article also

33:27

mentions additional details from the

33:29

autopsy that the Hills family believes

33:32

are incorrect. One is that

33:34

the report states that. Three

33:36

different caliber bullets were used

33:38

in the slaying. The war's believes

33:40

only two different calibers read. Including

33:43

shotgun and twenty two.

33:46

The Moore's believe that two people were involved

33:48

in her daughter's murder and that one

33:50

of them was standing on love seat in the room.

33:53

Which cause some of the shot gun? Howard's

33:56

to be angled sharply downward,

33:58

as described in the. The report. Gibbs

34:01

we mentioned earlier when talking about the

34:03

autopsy, that? It included.

34:07

Since about two shots being

34:09

fired simultaneously. Which,

34:12

they said, indicated the presence of multiple

34:14

killers that really stuck

34:16

out it. I don't know how their determination.

34:20

Could be made. I'm no expert,

34:22

so maybe somebody whoa, you know? Correct

34:25

me, just don't know how someone could

34:27

determine that shots

34:29

were fired. simultaneously

34:32

The in an autopsy.

34:34

Later on, yeah, if you weren't there

34:36

to witness anything, I would you determine

34:39

that, yeah, don't get it.

34:41

Now, initially, deputy lieutenant

34:43

Dodd with the fcs I was

34:45

placed on paid administrative leave.

34:48

Wow, the cbr investigated.

34:51

He's hiding of crime scene evidence

34:53

and his storage. The later retire.

34:56

Then left the fcs a rather

34:58

than face being officially fired from

35:00

his position with the surf's up. Then

35:03

moved out of state. On June

35:05

twenty eighth, two thousand and eighteen. After

35:08

being found guilty of three offenses,

35:10

Dad was sense to one hundred ninety

35:12

days and given credit

35:14

for. One hundred and sixty five

35:17

days so we only had to do

35:19

fifteen days in jail. Then he

35:21

was ordered to pay fourteen hundred dollars

35:23

in fun. So, like bunch

35:26

of. Yeah, well, I know the whole

35:28

family was disappointed that what

35:30

they considered a very light sends,

35:32

the told that, too. New

35:35

station, Kayo, five.

35:38

They were hoping the dog would receive

35:40

much longer sales and.

35:43

The judge gave him and ninety one percent

35:45

reduction on his sens. It really

35:48

didn't give an explanation for the reasons

35:50

behind his decision. The

35:53

tourney than asked the court to allow

35:55

Dodd the service since and. Then

35:57

the court denied this. That.

36:00

The lady even further by filing

36:02

multiple appeal. Which allowed

36:04

him to remain free on bail. They

36:06

awaited the decision of the Higher Courts,

36:08

which all denied his appeal. I

36:11

guess was his right. Obviously

36:13

to file appeals. first

36:15

thought was, man, you really got

36:17

off pretty light. We do fifteen

36:20

days and be done with it, yeah, one nobody

36:22

even.

36:23

Maybe pill once in that lab, you're your at

36:25

me to do fifteen days and be done, I guess

36:27

he was just trying to delay doing

36:30

the fifteen days.

36:31

As reported by Rick Salinger for

36:33

CBS News for in a court

36:36

hearing, it's inclusion of the C.B.

36:38

b Eyes investigate. God

36:40

was convicted on three of the for charges

36:42

brought against him. For mishandling

36:45

evidence. Including abuse

36:47

of public records and two counts of

36:49

official misconduct. When

36:51

Salinger encountered the detected outside

36:54

the courthouse, he asked us. Why

36:56

he had the evidence in his personal storage?

36:59

The dod refused to explain replying,

37:02

"know come" However, Dad told

37:04

the cannon city daily Record. That

37:06

he held on to the evidence so

37:09

he could take more photos of it at a

37:11

later date. What he never got

37:13

around to. Okay, so he gave an

37:15

explanation. Not great

37:17

explanation. It might be true. I

37:20

don't know, but it doesn't make

37:22

you look good. don't have

37:24

it all that believable, Gibbs. No,

37:27

them, a lot of people listening or gonna hear that

37:29

and say, oh yeah, that makes lot of

37:31

sense. Reporter Rick

37:33

Sounds You're also reported that.

37:36

The year before. On May eighteenth

37:38

two thousand and seventeen. Evidence

37:41

was recovered in landfill outside

37:43

of Kin and City by one of their employees

37:46

that apparently came from other cases.

37:48

In were allegedly thrown away by

37:50

dawn. The including evidence of

37:52

murders and sexual assault involving

37:55

at least twenty girls and women. Some

37:58

who were under the age of eighteen. The

38:00

evidence recovered from the landfill included

38:02

computer and on below marked

38:05

evidence that contained DVD.

38:07

And on bloke that contained paper work related

38:10

to an ongoing investigation, videotape

38:13

that had recorded interviews.

38:16

related to sexual assault investigation.

38:19

The'and and tackle box labeled fremont

38:21

County Sheriff's Office Crime

38:23

Scene You'd.

38:25

What's going on here, but that's none

38:27

of this is good know.

38:28

Again, the word allegedly is being

38:31

used by the reporter, so you have

38:33

to take that into consideration. What

38:36

if any of this is true?

38:38

This is. That a much

38:40

higher level. Why?

38:42

You know, reminding me of Newman

38:45

putting all of his mail. The

38:47

in hiding it. Because he can't

38:49

deliver. Another

38:51

good the. Seinfeld reference.

38:54

It here we're talking about investigations

38:57

into. murderers

38:59

sexual assaults. I mean,

39:01

this is. The horrible stuff.

39:05

How about people's lives? Though this

39:07

employee went to his boss, asked

39:09

him what he should do. How he

39:11

should proceed? His boss told

39:13

not to get involved. And told him

39:16

just put the items back in the lancet.

39:18

What the employee instead went to see Rick

39:21

raffle? Then put him in touch with

39:23

the CBS. The agent handling

39:25

the investigation into Dodd's

39:27

conduct regarding the storage.

39:31

An investigation by the CD into

39:33

these events was launched soon after

39:35

the evidence was recovered. According

39:37

to the Daily Record, the Hill's murder investigation

39:40

led to a two thousand and seventeen campaign

39:43

to remove Sheriff Biker from office

39:45

while eleven other sheriff's

39:47

officers were placed on administrative

39:49

leave. The charges ranging

39:52

from child abuse to routine

39:54

procedure or mistakes. The group

39:56

called the fremont Freedom fighters tried

39:58

but failed to get by. The removed. From

40:01

his position as share. The biker

40:03

did not seek reelection for sister

40:06

on just and jersey when the been reelected, why

40:08

might have been pretty tough with all the negative

40:10

press? The Hills family has

40:12

started the foundation to raise

40:14

funds to hire private investigator.

40:17

The try to solve Candice's murder.

40:20

donations can be made any branch

40:22

of Pueblo Bank and for us.

40:24

The lawyers, Hills, believe that is the only

40:27

way the murder of her daughter will

40:29

be sold.

40:30

That she might be right about that gives

40:32

you is if all these things are correct.

40:34

That. Have been uncovered

40:37

right the mishandling of evidence, we know

40:39

some of it it. We don't

40:41

know we couldn't find.

40:43

What the c be eyes

40:45

investigation into? The

40:47

evidence that was found in the land so

40:50

right. Resulted and we just couldn't find

40:52

it anywhere. I think it's kind

40:54

of pass. The have.

40:57

Then. That the FCS so.

41:00

The going to do much of anything. regarding

41:02

the investigation of T indices murder.

41:05

Let me Italy's from the perspective of

41:07

the whole spam with what else can they

41:09

bully? You can only believe what you seen

41:11

up to this point.

41:13

What you have seen up to this point is my good

41:15

way doesn't inspire a lot of

41:17

public trust trusted you can you

41:19

definitely have to say that.

41:21

Candice Hills is two thousand six

41:23

murder remains open. That

41:26

is a cold case.

41:28

Really, you know when you think about is it wasn't

41:30

for? The flu purchase

41:32

of a storage unit. This case

41:35

might have had a much different in.

41:37

Right now it's an open court case.

41:40

Without the E. revelations

41:43

from their storage unit. It's

41:45

very possible.

41:47

James hilts could have been

41:49

railroaded into prison

41:51

for the murder of his sister. Very

41:53

true, I don't think that's outside of the

41:55

realm of possibility at all, most

41:58

think it was. The push that way for.

42:00

Then there's so many unanswered

42:02

questions. In this case. The

42:04

mean, I think most of them center

42:06

around the. The actions

42:09

of Robert Die. We

42:11

know that he had some evidence. The

42:13

in the storage unit. He said

42:16

he will there so that he could

42:18

take pictures of it later and then he just never

42:20

got around to it. There are definitely

42:23

some much more sinister.

42:25

scenarios that you see floated

42:28

on line for, sir. Some

42:30

people questioned whether. Though

42:33

he actually was involved in.

42:36

The indices murder. Then keep her

42:38

from revealing what she knew about him

42:40

accepting. The money from

42:42

drug dealers. Some people

42:45

have claimed that. The enlisted

42:47

the help of drug dealers. To

42:49

silence Candace. Well,

42:51

that's true right of. The was.

42:54

Right out that he was helping these drug

42:56

dealers that would be a backlash. The

42:59

on him and the drug dealers right, nobody would

43:01

want that and maybe they would have.

43:03

The reason I. The want to

43:05

silence or?

43:07

I will go as far as to say

43:09

that think she was involved

43:11

in her murder. Definitely

43:13

say that. It doesn't

43:15

appear as though. He

43:17

was a very good police officer. I'm

43:20

I think that's self explanatory

43:22

when. That you've got. All

43:25

this critical. Crime scene

43:28

evidence that. Just

43:30

locked up in your personal storage

43:32

locker that you're not even paying on

43:34

the ran on, you don't know what's gonna happen

43:36

to add. think the

43:38

other thing that's a parent. There's

43:40

that. His actions.

43:43

The have made it. Very tough.

43:46

The think that. Prosecutors

43:49

would be able to get conviction.

43:51

"Against someone in the future" The,

43:54

and I think that maybe that's something I'm

43:56

not a lot of people talk about. The

43:58

defense attorneys going to.

44:01

Twenty, oh? That a field

44:03

day with that if it ever came around. The

44:05

million.

44:06

There's no way you can get a conviction on

44:08

this person, bray when you think about

44:10

evidence and chain of custody and

44:13

all that stuff.

44:15

A good defense attorney is probably going

44:17

to be able to get. The DNA

44:19

throw now a lot of that stuff.

44:21

The even if it. Would

44:24

ultimately prove. Their client

44:26

was guilty, it may not be allowed

44:28

to be. Introduced, yeah,

44:31

all because of the actions of this

44:33

one, police off. The care was.

44:35

The for me one of the biggest questions.

44:38

This is why. Why

44:40

was Kinda Hills murdered?

44:43

Then why did Robert Dodd do

44:45

the things that he did? And.

44:47

Are they can that? Because

44:49

a lot of people believe that they are.

44:51

That's clear when you look online for

44:53

a lot of people saying that

44:56

he's involved in some way other

44:58

than just being cheerless.

45:01

Law enforcement officer, right? Look

45:03

at to see Be Eye's website for cold cases

45:06

shows that. He this helps

45:08

murder is not include. Nothing

45:10

that's hard for a lot of people

45:12

to understand. Why is it

45:14

not on their as cold case?

45:17

As we wrap up. This case,

45:19

gibbs. I think the one thing that

45:21

is, sir. This. Candice

45:24

Hills deserves better. He deserves

45:26

justice. The Hill's family deserves

45:28

justice.

45:29

So many wrongs occurred in this case

45:31

that, you know, many people would love to

45:33

see something you're right has

45:36

been for the family and for

45:38

Kings. Something very sad

45:40

is that Candice's daughter. Passed

45:42

away the age of seven. That

45:45

was obviously also very tough on the

45:47

family. The family has stated

45:49

that don't never give up. The

45:51

on finding Candice's killer.

45:54

Okay, do I really do, you know,

45:56

again like you stated it's so

45:59

tragic that? The investigative.

46:01

The efforts were lacking.

46:03

Yeah, I mean, don't think there's any

46:05

way that you.

46:07

They say they weren't.

46:08

If you happen to have any information regarding

46:11

the murder of Candace Hills. The

46:13

are encouraged to contact crime stoppers

46:15

at one eight hundred. Who to tips?

46:18

There may be a cash reward for

46:21

information leading to break in the case.

46:23

That it gives for our episode

46:26

on the unsolved murder of Kinda Silly

46:28

gets voice mails will check those out. This

46:30

year.

46:31

Hi, this is Victoria from Pennsylvania

46:34

think, he says. It on

46:36

I just recently started listening to podcasts

46:39

and htc company during my lonely hours

46:41

of cleaning house after house I,

46:43

just wanted to see don't know she bears actually

46:45

did one yet by some. the

46:49

main line which is also in pennsylvania

46:51

the mainline murders which took place in

46:53

nineteen seventy nine nineteen

46:55

don't know she dies has done a profile done

46:57

that for several books as and Written

47:00

on it, not the least of which is

47:02

echoes in the darkness by Joseph Lombardo,

47:04

my personal favorites on.

47:07

It still remains unsolved.

47:10

The children who were taken

47:12

were never found. And I

47:14

believe to date it is still the largest

47:17

a criminal investigation Pennsylvania.

47:20

The most expensive place

47:22

and the longest running his while the as the I team

47:24

and on. So

47:26

yeah, would love to hear, as thanks have

47:29

a great one.

47:30

I appreciate voice mail we've not

47:32

done that case of not that sounds like something

47:35

we need to make sure we do

47:37

it sounds very interesting. Hello

47:40

to be silly.

47:41

Well he said from Fort Wayne Indiana

47:43

and I just wanted to let you know how much enjoy

47:46

your podcasts both to come all

47:48

the time and to kind of all the time

47:50

I'm soft are. you guys

47:52

just really i'm such a

47:54

part in my life that i'm

47:57

otherwise The very lonely

47:59

I am. The widow life.

48:00

The widow for ten years off

48:03

on feel like I'm still

48:05

young enough to fifty. Nine

48:07

years old and I'm. thinking about

48:09

getting about there in there dating pool returned

48:11

as i hope give me that can find

48:13

someone like uses tests my heart

48:16

so fear of or in fort wayne please

48:18

come and visit me being used as

48:20

appreciate all you guys to and like

48:22

said to have such as these are in

48:24

my heart is Mlb

48:26

slowly days and nights with

48:28

have to face. his sister

48:30

own time picking love you both

48:32

this is so in missouri

48:34

Though that was a very touching voicemail,

48:37

it was I have to things to set, yeah.

48:39

Definitely get back on the dating pool

48:41

because fifty nine. The

48:44

on is the new twenty. The

48:46

actually and secondly.

48:49

The ab is in Fort Wayne Indiana

48:51

every other weekend he,

48:54

does the show. i can't tell you

48:56

where but if you look really hard

48:58

you'll find

49:00

Highlighting good he has, it is why

49:02

some damage.

49:03

Our guns I'd.

49:05

send his father of substances final

49:07

on the time so time went and saw him he did

49:09

the to be up to the case which

49:11

was involved in the quad cities

49:14

for years there are two persons

49:16

of interest now David

49:18

Level and Zones and Slasher has,

49:22

sense identified as person The

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Nokia, I says that are not as

49:28

long as you to stay

49:31

there you to forget

49:33

all the way because she later

49:36

keep your own son system since

49:38

he's or she's a multitasker

49:40

know and love the information

49:43

you wonder things Hannah

49:45

stinks about what we do.

49:47

This is because we're always working on

49:49

what's coming up. The really don't

49:52

have time to go back

49:54

and research old case. United,

49:57

we could right, yeah, I just. You know?

50:00

The now so much content every week

50:02

we're always looking at what's coming up

50:04

but do get emails a good voice mails

50:07

people. alerting us to especially

50:10

on the unsolved because that's where you

50:13

normally new things are going to come on right

50:15

and happen and it's nice when people do that

50:18

Like, maybe my. A area.

50:21

The written here and now I finally

50:23

finished all the regular to thank all the

50:25

time whenever two,

50:27

years later. on

50:30

and off and then it's too hot In

50:32

my hand and. The point that we don't

50:34

care about maybe Hannah said the days of his

50:36

houses, the at home with my daughter, she's

50:38

eleven months, and would I'm a

50:40

t shirt style just as easy as I

50:43

am now I'm listening to

50:46

your grandmother suck on time and saw.

50:49

He right I'm betting relevant for how found

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this is using a mouse so don't have high school

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graduates, ambassador, woman

50:57

thank you for all he didn't you

50:59

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51:02

these people in history and

51:04

the one siren song and Morgan

51:06

Freeman. I'm still in

51:09

an episode frazzled lead, I say it

51:11

is, hadn't commentary about as far as

51:13

much as they see so much keep your

51:15

own time with him.

51:17

Though hopefully she's listening to

51:19

some of the new earns a host, right, because

51:22

if not, it may be while before she hears us.

51:25

Those high gibbs and we've heard this before.

51:27

You people started listening in

51:29

high school? Now they graduated

51:32

now they're graduating college and mean.

51:34

Then we have been doing this for five

51:37

years so. It makes us feel

51:39

good, sir, yeah, I think any

51:41

time someone says well.

51:43

You were there with me through Axe

51:45

right where you helped me get through acts,

51:48

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51:50

is that. I don't know.

51:53

If everybody can really understand

51:57

how it makes us feel. Raising

51:59

it is.

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