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I Survived

2:05

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 336

2:08

of the True Crime All The Time Unsolved podcast.

2:11

I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my

2:13

partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Give

2:15

me how are you? I'm doing okay man. How

2:17

about you? I'm doing great. That's good.

2:20

You and I have a lot going on. We do. This

2:22

weekend in the form of episodes.

2:25

We have a Patreon episode

2:27

that came out Saturday night on

2:30

Sahara Fakir and Sahara

2:32

murdered a 66 year old

2:34

man in his Georgia home. It

2:37

was a very strange, bizarre case.

2:39

It shocked the community. And

2:41

once they finally figured out who it

2:43

was and how they figured it out, very,

2:46

very fascinating. And then

2:48

on True Crime All The Time, we have an episode

2:51

out right now on Alfred

2:53

Hunter. Hunter murdered

2:56

his ex-wife. Then he stole a small

2:58

plane and he flew around

3:01

Boston for about three hours,

3:03

terrorizing the city, dive

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bombing Fenway Park and shooting

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an AK-47 out the window. Yeah,

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it's crazy. Yeah, it is a very,

3:12

very

3:14

wild story. Very, very

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wild. Hey, don't forget this weekend I got

3:18

my one man review at

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the

3:22

Dayton Senior Building. Yeah,

3:24

I heard tickets are sold out and have

3:26

been for some time. I'm thinking maybe

3:29

you and the family bought some, you guys are going to come down. No,

3:32

no, I have no idea who buys those tickets.

3:34

I really don't. Yeah, they are pretty cheap. I

3:37

know the number of thong changes is

3:40

staggering from what I've heard. I've

3:42

not witnessed it and will not, but

3:45

I've seen some of the reviews on

3:47

Google

3:48

and just

3:50

how many times you come out

3:52

in a different thong. Impressive. It

3:55

is. It really is. Hey,

3:57

let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We

3:59

had Tiffany Burrell. Hey Tiffany Renee

4:01

Davis on Renee Christian appreciate

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that Christian Roman Hernandez. There's

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Roman Shannon ass. Hey Shannon Asia

4:09

Hoiser, what's up? Oh, yeah, Megan

4:11

Taylor. Hey Megan, Angelina

4:14

Angelina Jolie Erica

4:17

Wica Erica Douglas Michaud

4:20

was up Douglas Aaron gray. Hey

4:22

gray Jeanette Borgenstrand

4:26

Sit tough one up Borgenstrand. I

4:28

thought it was pretty easy. Really? Yeah. Okay,

4:31

William Kramer. What's going on William? Katie

4:33

Lee Haley be nasty.

4:35

Well nasty. What's up? Amanda

4:38

massage. Hey Amanda Aussie

4:40

Emma Aussie and

4:43

David Hager jumped out at our

4:45

highest level. Well, David. Thank

4:47

you and go talk to be nasty Kind

4:50

of you know show some good. So if

4:52

we go back into the vault This

4:55

week we selected Claire Colin.

4:57

Hello.

4:58

Hey Claire

4:59

So much appreciation for all the

5:01

new support to continued support All

5:04

right, buddy. Are you ready to get into

5:06

this episode of true crime all the

5:08

time unsolved? Yeah, I'm set we're

5:10

talking about Chilino

5:13

Sanchez Chilino was a popular

5:16

Mexican singer known as the

5:18

king of Carita. He was murdered

5:21

at the height of his fame 31 years

5:23

later his case remains unsolved

5:26

But many believe that Chilino

5:28

Sanchez was warned about his death

5:31

when he received a mysterious note

5:33

in the middle of his final concert

5:36

I love mysteries like that, you know, like

5:39

what did the note say? Well,

5:41

there's definitely some mystery here That's

5:43

for sure. Chilino Sanchez

5:45

was born on August 30th 1960 in

5:49

a small village near the city

5:51

of Kulaikan

5:53

in the Mexican state of Sinaloa.

5:56

He was only 31 years old when he

5:58

was murdered Sinaloa sounds

6:00

very familiar, isn't there a big Sinaloa

6:02

cartel? I've

6:03

heard of that.

6:05

I don't talk about cartels. Oh,

6:07

that's right. That's right. Probably best

6:09

not to.

6:10

So

6:11

his full name was Rosalino

6:13

Sanchez Feliz, but

6:16

he thought his name sounded too feminine.

6:18

So he preferred to be called

6:20

Chilino. He was the youngest of eight

6:23

children. His father died

6:25

when he was just six years old. His older

6:27

brother Lucas helped take care of

6:29

the younger kids. Pretty tough.

6:32

Eight kids. Father dies when,

6:35

you know, he's pretty young. The

6:38

rest of them are still pretty young as well.

6:40

Puts a lot of burden on

6:43

the older kids for sure. Oh, big

6:45

time. Yeah. Kind of takes away from your

6:47

childhood. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

6:50

Chilino left home as a teenager

6:53

to look for work, but it was difficult

6:55

to find job opportunities in his

6:58

area. At the age of 15, he

7:00

allegedly killed him, but

7:02

he was never charged for this crime. Sources

7:06

report that he waited

7:08

several years to kill the man

7:10

who raped his sister. He allegedly

7:12

approached the man at a party and

7:15

shot him. So we don't know if

7:18

this is absolutely true.

7:20

There are sources that, you know, have reported

7:25

you and I often talk about

7:28

what we would do, what some

7:30

people actually do to get justice

7:34

for their loved ones when

7:37

the courts don't. And I would

7:40

like to think that I wouldn't take

7:42

the law into my own hands, but I don't think

7:44

anyone knows that

7:46

for certain,

7:48

depending on the situation and

7:51

just exactly what happened. I

7:53

think it could be a very tough judgment

7:55

call. Now, I don't condone shooting

7:58

and killing anyone.

8:00

But if this did happen, in my

8:02

mind, there's no doubt that his reasoning

8:05

for it was that he was

8:07

out to get the man who raped his sister.

8:10

Cholino then moved to Los Angeles

8:13

to live with an ant in the mid to late

8:15

70s. He worked on farms

8:17

for a while, then moved to Inglewood

8:20

and did various jobs, washing dishes,

8:23

selling cars, and selling small

8:25

amounts of marijuana and cocaine

8:27

to his friend. He also reportedly

8:30

helped his brother Armando with

8:32

an immigrant smuggling business, according

8:35

to LA Weekly. Well, the drug trade

8:37

was kind of starting to ramp up around that time,

8:39

right? You know, in the 70s, pushing into the

8:41

80s. And maybe so was

8:44

the smuggling business.

8:46

Armando was killed in Tijuana

8:49

in 1984. That same

8:51

year, Cholino spent eight months

8:53

at the La Mesa Prison in Tijuana

8:56

for petty crimes. Can't

8:58

remember. Did you go to Tijuana? I did.

9:00

I thought you did. Have you ever been? I've

9:03

not been to Tijuana. Okay. I haven't

9:05

been in many, many years. It's probably been 20 years since

9:07

I've been there. It was a little scary.

9:10

Yeah. Let's just say that. Not

9:13

so much as in I thought I was going to be

9:16

harmed, as in what

9:18

I saw going on that would

9:21

be not just illegal here

9:24

in the US, but so morally reprehensible.

9:27

Yeah. There was some really

9:29

kind of nasty stuff going on. Right. I

9:32

have no idea what it's like today. I

9:34

also remember as a pretty

9:36

young kid going to Juarez, and

9:39

that might have been the scariest time of my

9:41

entire life. Yeah. Well, you

9:43

wouldn't go there today, I don't think. No. It's

9:46

been pretty bad there. No, I don't think it was great when

9:48

I was there. And I think it's probably

9:50

worse today, but it was, I

9:52

just remember feeling scared. And

9:54

I think I had a camera around my neck, and I remember

9:57

my dad saying, make sure you hold onto that

9:59

camera. people were looking at it. Yeah.

10:01

Like they were going to run over and take

10:04

it from me. Now, why my dad thought

10:06

it was a good idea to take me to Juarez, that

10:08

part, I'm not sure

10:10

about. You'll never understand. I'll never

10:13

understand. According to Juan Carlos

10:15

Ramirez Pimienta,

10:18

a professor of literature and cultural studies

10:21

at San Diego State University,

10:23

it is difficult to verify information

10:26

about Chilino's time in prison. In

10:28

an interview with the outlet El Pais,

10:31

Ramirez Pimienta

10:33

said it was common for people

10:36

to use fake names at this prison.

10:39

Wonder how that works. Cause it doesn't work here,

10:42

but you know, maybe that's just how the prison system is

10:44

down there. Well, again, we're talking

10:46

what the 1980s. Did

10:49

they care what your name was? As long as you

10:51

were in there serving, whatever it is you were supposed

10:53

to be serving, I don't know. It does

10:55

seem like it would make it very

10:57

hard to keep track of people

11:00

and their crimes and take

11:03

that into account if they committed

11:05

yet another crime, but. I just

11:07

want to make sure they had everything right. So I could get back

11:10

out when it was time, you know? Well, that's true too. Like,

11:12

yeah, you don't have the fancy computers here. I probably

11:14

got this, one of these roll a deck

11:16

card

11:17

file systems or something maybe, and I want to

11:20

make sure when it comes up, I'm out. Did you just

11:22

say roll a deck? Roll a deck. I'm

11:24

pretty sure it's roll a decks. What

11:26

if they only have one? And I guess

11:29

it would just be a roll a deck.

11:31

Uh,

11:33

while incarcerated, Cellino started

11:35

writing songs at the request of other

11:38

inmates, and this really kind

11:40

of basically was the beginning of his

11:42

music career. After he got out of

11:44

prison, he married a woman named Mari

11:47

Sala

11:48

Vallejo,

11:49

who worked at a sewing factory with his

11:51

aunt. Cellino had two children.

11:54

A son named Adon and

11:56

a daughter named Cynthia

11:58

Sanchez-Biejo. Cynthia

12:01

is still alive. Adon was killed

12:03

in a car accident in 2004. He

12:06

was just 19 years old. He was a singer

12:08

like his father and had

12:10

a pretty large audience in both Mexico

12:12

and the US. Cholino moved

12:15

to Los Angeles and continued writing

12:17

songs. He first wrote a

12:19

Corrido about his brother Armando.

12:23

And basically Corrido's are storytelling

12:26

balance that originated in the mid 1800s.

12:29

Cholino wrote a specific type

12:32

of Corrido called narco

12:35

Corrido. Narco Corrido's

12:37

contain themes about the drug

12:39

trade. Probably not too hard to figure

12:41

that out since it has the narco in

12:44

it. For some

12:46

context, Cholino Sanchez

12:48

started his career during

12:50

the rise of the second generation

12:53

of the Sinaloa cartel, which

12:55

included the infamous drug

12:57

lord El Chapa. I remember El

12:59

Tupple. I do. And now that's why

13:01

I remembered the Sinaloa cartel.

13:05

Nacho Hernandez, who played in Cholino's

13:08

band, said to LA weekly, he didn't

13:10

write songs about people like you and

13:12

me. He wrote about people

13:14

who were in the life. And I'm

13:16

taking that to be in the drug

13:19

life, in the drug trade. Cholino

13:21

turned songwriting into a business.

13:24

He was sometimes paid with valuable

13:26

items like gold watches and pistols.

13:29

According to the LA times, some

13:31

of the people who paid Cholino to write

13:34

were drug traffickers. All

13:35

right.

13:36

They probably got a lot of money. Want a

13:38

song about themselves? Maybe.

13:40

This kind of reminds me a little

13:43

bit about that movie, The Accountant. Did

13:45

you see that? Within Affleck? Yeah,

13:47

there's a part, a second one coming out.

13:49

Oh, is there? Because I actually really liked

13:52

that movie. Yeah. Yeah. But if you

13:54

remember, for jobs,

13:57

he was often paid in like. very

14:00

valuable item, instead

14:03

of money. He had that very

14:06

expensive painting that somebody

14:08

gave him as a form of payment.

14:11

It's a good way to do that, right? I mean, that's how

14:13

we were talking about my one-man review

14:16

at the senior home. And

14:19

in lieu of payment,

14:22

but cash or coin, I'll

14:25

suggest that they can pay me in some other valuable

14:28

method way

14:30

items. Yeah. I'm sure you,

14:32

you've got a lot of fix it in

14:34

poly grip, C bond. You

14:37

probably said for

14:39

maybe the rest of your life on that. Now,

14:42

Cholino's career would only last about

14:44

four years, but his music made

14:47

a lasting impact on his fans. LA

14:49

weekly described Cholino as an

14:52

authentic folk hero and one of the most

14:54

influential musical figures

14:57

to emerge in Los Angeles in

14:59

a decade. That's, uh, some

15:02

pretty good accolades. Alkalades

15:05

accolades. I said accolade. Okay.

15:09

It's pretty high praise, right? It really

15:11

is. If you think about, you know, all

15:13

the musical figures that came

15:15

through Los Angeles in a decade

15:19

and this person is putting him up there. Okay.

15:22

Impressive. Angel Parra, the engineer

15:25

who recorded most of Cholino's

15:27

albums told LA weekly in 1998

15:30

without exaggeration, 50% of the

15:32

Mexican music that's recorded

15:35

in LA is based on his

15:37

legacy. Wow. That's, that's

15:40

amazing. That is now you can,

15:43

you know, maybe make the same argument

15:45

about

15:46

Elvis. Right.

15:48

Early rock and roll, how much of it was

15:51

influenced by him. I would

15:53

say a very large percentage. Talk

15:56

about the Beatles. Yeah. You know, how

15:58

much of the bands that came. after them,

16:00

did they influence? And it's

16:03

probably a pretty large person. But

16:05

these are legendary performers,

16:09

people that everybody

16:11

in the United States knows. I

16:13

don't know how many people listening have

16:15

ever heard of Cholino Sanchez,

16:18

because I had never heard of him. And

16:20

you are a pseudo-musician.

16:23

Did you say musician or magician? Both.

16:26

You combined them. I did. I like

16:29

it. When I heard Cholino had written his first set of ballads,

16:31

he asked the local band to record them.

16:34

The band was slow to get to work, and his

16:36

clients were asking for songs, so Cholino

16:39

decided to sing them himself.

16:42

In 1989, Cholino and a band

16:44

went to a recording studio and

16:46

recorded 15 songs. Six

16:48

months later, he recorded 15 more.

16:51

He only had 15 copies made of

16:54

his first two cassettes. When

16:56

it was time to produce his third cassette,

16:59

he asked for 15 copies as

17:02

usual, but the next day, he

17:04

requested 25 more because his

17:06

clients wanted to give them out to their

17:08

friends. Soon, it seemed like

17:11

Cholino was requesting more copies

17:14

almost every day. So it was kind of taking off

17:16

in that arena. Yeah, it sounds like

17:18

it's taking off very quickly. Sound

17:21

engineer Angel Parra told LA Weekly

17:23

he'd get his order. Then he'd call again

17:26

the next morning. He'd say, he'd say,

17:28

he'd grab a pencil. I need

17:30

more cassettes, but I just gave

17:32

you some last night. They're all sold.

17:35

So that's a good problem to have. Now,

17:38

he didn't just sing about the drug trade.

17:40

He's saying about topics that many

17:42

people could relate to, such as growing

17:44

up in poverty, family feuds,

17:47

corruption, and violence.

17:50

Pretty well rounded on topics. Yeah,

17:52

I would say so. But what I'm taking

17:54

from it is that, number

17:57

one, he's singing about what he knows

17:59

because he is. had experienced a lot of this

18:01

throughout his life, but it's also

18:03

so relatable because

18:05

so many other people went through

18:07

some of these same things. Cholino

18:10

was able to quit his various jobs. He

18:12

formed a company called RR Records.

18:16

According to LA Weekly, Cholino began

18:18

selling cassettes full time and

18:21

working regularly with the band. You

18:23

ever miss cassettes? No.

18:26

No, I don't either. Yeah. I don't miss

18:28

records. I know a lot of people are into records.

18:31

They're like back in style now,

18:33

but even CDs, the

18:35

ability to listen to any

18:38

song you want to while you're in your car still

18:41

amazes me. Oh, yeah. And half

18:43

the time I just hit a button and I tell Siri

18:45

what I want to hear. And

18:48

she'll play it for you. Yeah. Yeah.

18:51

See, the thing about cassettes I always ate is when the cassette

18:53

player would try to eat it. Oh, and then you'd

18:55

have to try to fix it. You'd take that pencil, put pencil in

18:57

and rewind it. They

19:00

were definitely better than 8 Track though. Yeah,

19:03

I don't really remember those. Yeah. Those

19:05

were a little before my time. He eventually

19:07

started working with an independent label

19:10

owned by Pedro Rivera, a composer

19:12

and singer. At this time, it was

19:15

difficult to get started in the Latin

19:17

music industry because there were only

19:20

a few major record labels and it cost

19:22

thousands of dollars to start working

19:24

with them. And so, Rivera and other independent

19:27

labels used a different type of

19:29

record distribution system. They

19:31

sold cassettes at small businesses

19:33

and swap meets. Cholino was able

19:35

to sell thousands of cassettes in

19:38

this alternative market. He

19:40

became very successful despite

19:42

not conforming to industry standards.

19:46

Several people said he wasn't that

19:48

great of a singer. Sound engineer

19:50

Angel Parra told LA Weekly, he

19:53

had a voice you had to get used

19:55

to. That's not always the best way you want

19:57

your voice to be described. I don't think

19:59

they... He said that about Adele,

20:02

Celine Dion, Whitney Houston.

20:05

You didn't have to get used to those voices.

20:07

They just blew you away. Cellino

20:10

himself even said, I don't

20:12

sing, I bark. But hey,

20:15

man, if people were buying it and they

20:17

dug it, that's all that matters.

20:20

A young singer named Saul Vieira

20:23

described how people first reacted

20:25

to Cellino's music, saying at

20:28

first when he came out, no

20:30

one really liked him. Myself, I was like,

20:33

where the hell did you get that guy? But

20:35

then you pay attention to what

20:37

he's saying and you start liking

20:40

him. It's like gangster music

20:42

about people getting shot, battles

20:44

with police, growing marijuana.

20:47

Just the message that they liked. Yeah,

20:50

and I think it's how relatable it was.

20:53

When we were talking about the

20:56

topics, it did remind

20:58

me of gangster

21:01

rap back in the day. I

21:03

had a phase where I was really

21:05

into that.

21:06

Now,

21:07

my situation was I couldn't

21:09

really relate to what they

21:11

were talking about. I just liked it.

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24:40

Cellino appealed to a lot of people because

24:43

he didn't try to come across as a perfectly

24:45

composed celebrity. He

24:48

was known for being friendly and generous, but

24:50

he was also known to fight if

24:52

someone challenged him. And

24:55

that doesn't surprise me one bit. He grew up rough.

24:57

You know, I'm sure he fought throughout

25:00

his life and had to sometimes.

25:02

I was gonna say, I think you probably didn't have

25:04

the option to not fight in

25:07

a lot of those cases. Band member

25:09

Nacho Hernandez said about Cellino

25:11

per LA Weekly, he had the reputation

25:15

of being a valiente.

25:18

He was a very nice guy. I guess

25:20

valiente means brave.

25:21

Yes.

25:23

You'd come up to him, greet him, say, Hey,

25:26

how are you? He'd say great. But

25:28

if you came up to him with the intention of fighting,

25:31

he'd get into it. He was very

25:33

delicate

25:34

that way.

25:35

So it sounds to me that

25:37

you had to come at him a certain

25:39

way. Yeah. You had to probably approach

25:42

him carefully. Yes. And if he came

25:44

off, you know, the wrong way, you better

25:47

be prepared to back it up. In 1990,

25:50

Cellino had his first big performance

25:53

at the El Perol nightclub

25:55

in Southgate. So many people came

25:57

to see him that the staff had

25:59

to turn people away. After this performance,

26:02

he had club, bar, and dancehall owners

26:05

bidding to have him play at their establishment.

26:07

So his career's really taken off. Yeah,

26:10

it really sounds like it was. Months

26:12

before his death, Cholino was involved

26:15

in a deadly shooting at a nightclub.

26:18

On January 20, 1992, he booked a performance with the Plaza

26:23

Los Arcos nightclub in Coachella.

26:26

On January 25, a 32-year-old man named

26:28

Ed word

26:30

Gallegos shot at him while he

26:32

was on stage, and Cholino

26:34

shot back. The shooting started just

26:37

after midnight. There were over 400 people

26:39

inside the club, most of whom

26:41

were there to see Cholino perform.

26:44

Cholino would tell the police that someone

26:47

gave him a 10 millimeter pistol as

26:49

he walked in because they wanted

26:51

him to wear it on stage. This was

26:53

something he often did as part of his image.

26:56

However, band member Nacho Hernandez

26:59

told LA Weekly that the gun

27:01

was Cholino's and that he always

27:03

took a gun to his show. Always

27:06

be prepared? Well, yeah.

27:08

I mean, most singers don't need

27:11

to be strapped

27:14

while they're on stage. I mean, they

27:16

have security, they have an entourage,

27:19

but it sounds to me like

27:21

he was kind of promoting this

27:24

type of image.

27:28

Like a bad guy, not a bad guy,

27:30

but a tough guy. Now, when you put out

27:34

that tough guy image, sometimes

27:37

there's people who are going to want to test

27:39

that. And it sounds like somebody

27:41

did and they took a shot. What was

27:43

so amazing to me was that he's

27:46

up on stage performing and

27:48

he whips out his gun and he fires back.

27:50

Yeah, I don't care who's out in the audience. I'm shooting back. I

27:53

mean, there's 400 people there. What if he hits, you

27:55

know, a bystander?

27:58

Coachella police Sergeant Vince cholino

28:03

explain the facade, the showman,

28:05

the Corrido's, the macho thing

28:07

with the gun, the tough guy attitude. That

28:10

was expected, especially of someone

28:12

from Sinaloa, but he seemed

28:15

like one who hadn't been bit by the fame

28:17

and starter. He still had the presence

28:19

of mind to say that that was

28:21

the showman part of him and he was really

28:23

a normal person. Well, kind

28:25

of like what you just said a little bit ago, right? You've

28:28

got to live up to his reputation.

28:31

Yeah, we've seen that in the rap game as well, right?

28:34

Over the years. Sometimes,

28:36

you know, people getting in trouble, maybe

28:39

just to get more street cred. Yeah,

28:41

it makes them more popular.

28:44

It can. It has. So

28:47

Cholino was on stage taking song

28:49

requests from the crowd. Edward

28:52

Gallegos leaped onto the stage

28:54

and shot at Cholino with a semi automatic

28:56

handgun, according to the desert

28:59

sun. Gallegos was high on

29:01

heroin and had been drinking that day. According

29:04

to El Pais, Nacho

29:06

Hernandez said that Gallegos

29:08

was angry that Cholino didn't play

29:10

a song titled the rooster

29:13

of Sinaloa. You know, those fans get

29:15

pretty ticked off sometimes when the magician,

29:18

when the band doesn't play

29:20

the song that you want to be played. Yeah,

29:22

I get that. I mean, most people don't jump

29:24

on stage and pull out a semi automatic

29:27

pistol, but yeah, I get

29:29

being disappointed. Yeah. When

29:31

Barry Manilow doesn't play Mandy,

29:34

I know that really upsets you. Okay.

29:38

He gets me fired up. Witness

29:40

Raul Ouseves told the desert

29:42

sun, he just pulled out his gun and shot

29:44

it. Everyone started screaming and running.

29:47

Cholino was hit twice in the upper arm

29:50

and chest. In response, he pulled

29:52

out a handgun and fired back

29:54

at Gallegos. He missed and

29:56

hit other dancers. So kind

29:58

of, you know, like what we were saying before.

29:59

four.

30:01

Now I get it. You've been shot twice.

30:04

We mentioned why he thought maybe he

30:06

needed the gun or wanted the gun

30:08

or, you know, wanted to promote his image,

30:11

but anytime you shoot

30:14

at someone and there are multiple

30:16

people behind them, you

30:19

are running the risk of hitting

30:21

someone else. I don't care what the situation

30:24

is. That risk is always

30:26

there. Yeah. It was said that

30:28

the two men fired up to 15 shots

30:31

and both of them fell to the ground. Based

30:33

on witness statements, the police

30:35

believe that someone grabbed Gallegos

30:38

and tried to restrain him, but he kept shooting.

30:40

That person took his gun, shot

30:43

him in the mouth, kicked him a few

30:45

times, then took the gun and ran.

30:48

All right. This is a tough crowd. It's a lot of chaos

30:50

going on here. There is. And

30:52

it sounds to me like there's a lot of people in this

30:54

crowd that you might not want to mess with. Yeah,

30:57

I think that's a pretty tough crowd. This guy took

30:59

Gallegos his gun away from him,

31:02

shot him in the mouth and then kicked him and

31:05

took off running. You ruined my concert.

31:08

Eight other people were injured and one

31:10

man was killed. 20 year old

31:12

Renee Carranza was shot in the right

31:14

thigh. The bullet hit a major

31:17

artery and he died hours later. His

31:19

wife Anna was wounded, but survived.

31:22

At a civil trial in 1993, Anna

31:25

Carranza testified that she was shot

31:27

in the hip. The bullet came out of her stomach

31:30

and she blacked out. She said,

31:33

pro the desert sun, I remember waking

31:35

up and being on the floor and

31:38

people stepping over me. She

31:40

had to be carried out by her friends.

31:42

So, you know, pretty terrible. She

31:44

shot, but her

31:47

husband is shot in the leg and

31:49

and it's so strange that, you know,

31:51

when you hear about shootings, someone

31:54

could be shot two or three times in the,

31:56

in the chest, the stomach and

31:59

survive. But man, you

32:01

get shot in one of those arteries. It

32:04

can be over very quickly. And

32:07

just think, I mean, they just went out for a night on the town,

32:09

right? Let's go hear this band play. Yeah.

32:12

And it ended very, very badly.

32:15

The nightclub owner, promoter, and security

32:17

firm were later found guilty of negligence.

32:21

The victims were awarded 1.3 million total in damages.

32:26

Chilino and Edward Gallegos

32:28

were both in critical condition, but

32:30

eventually recovered. Six of the

32:32

eight additional injured people were treated and

32:35

released from hospitals quickly. ABC

32:38

World News Tonight covered the shooting the

32:40

next day, and this only caused

32:43

Chilino's cassette sales to increase.

32:45

And one of his songs was played on

32:47

the radio. And this kind of goes back

32:50

to what I was just talking about. Whether you want

32:52

to call it street cred or

32:55

just notoriety, there's

32:57

a shootout that he's involved

32:59

in. Right. And the next

33:01

day, people are buying

33:04

up his cassettes, and they're playing his songs on

33:06

the radio. Good PR, bad PR. Either

33:08

way, it sells those cassettes, you know? On

33:10

January 31, 1992, Edward Gallegos was arraigned

33:15

on 10 counts, including murder, attempted

33:18

murder, and assault with a deadly

33:20

weapon. He was charged with the murder

33:22

of Renee Carranza because he

33:24

started shooting first. However, the

33:26

police actually suspected that

33:29

Chilino fired the larger caliber

33:31

bullet that hit him. Deputy

33:34

DA Henry Martinez said that

33:36

Chilino was acting in self-defense and

33:39

was therefore not criminally responsible.

33:42

And I had mentioned it, but 10 millimeters is

33:45

a pretty good-sized caliber. Yeah. I

33:47

mean, I get it. Self-defense, if

33:50

he didn't shoot, he was probably going to be potentially

33:52

killed himself. You can make that

33:54

argument. Yeah. Now, that's criminally

33:57

responsible. Could you be held? Civili.

34:01

Yes. Responsible and obviously

34:03

the answer is yes. That day Chilino

34:06

spoke from the hospital and claimed he

34:08

didn't know Gallego sang Pro the

34:10

Desert Sun. I think he's crazy

34:12

or else he was on drugs. Well, we know

34:15

he was on drugs. Yeah, we do know that. On

34:17

February 13th in 1992, public

34:20

defender Jeffrey Schwartz representing

34:23

Edward Gallego discussed 45 minutes

34:25

of footage that he had recently received

34:28

from the DA's office. According

34:30

to the Desert Sun, he described

34:32

the footage as pretty inconclusive

34:35

and said it's really too early

34:37

to tell the significance of the tape.

34:40

You just get a little snippet of the incident

34:42

and so it is out of context.

34:45

The video showed people on stage

34:47

and in the wings, one person

34:49

was captured walking towards Chilino.

34:53

Schwartz said that the video appeared

34:55

to be the beginning of the incident.

34:57

The video was reportedly taken by the

35:00

photographer who was filming the band

35:02

and dancers that night. They likely

35:04

stopped once the shooting started.

35:07

On April 14th, 1992, Chilino

35:10

Sanchez pointed out Edward Gallego

35:13

as the shooter at his preliminary hearing.

35:16

Chilino testified that he was on stage with

35:18

four other people when Gallego

35:20

walked up and started shooting at him from

35:23

about four feet away. Okay,

35:25

that's pretty close. Yeah, it's pretty scary right

35:27

there. So no wonder that he was

35:30

shot a couple of times. It's

35:32

pretty hard to miss from four feet. He

35:35

couldn't say exactly how many shots

35:37

were fired. He pulled out a pistol

35:40

that someone had given him earlier in the

35:42

evening. He shot the pistol once and

35:44

then threw it at Gallego's because

35:46

it wouldn't fire anymore. The

35:48

gun hit Gallego's in the face. Chilino

35:51

then jumped off stage and started crawling

35:54

across the floor. He ran for the exit

35:57

when someone grabbed Gallego's.

36:00

So he's telling a version

36:03

of events. It seems to contradict

36:06

what some other people have said.

36:09

Maybe. He's saying he fired

36:11

the gun once and then it wouldn't fire

36:14

anymore. Maybe it's true,

36:16

maybe it's not. You know, sometimes

36:18

when things like that happen,

36:20

I think it's gonna be confusing.

36:23

It's gonna be hard for people to remember exactly how

36:25

things went down. Oh, yeah.

36:28

Chaos, panic, everything's going on.

36:30

Not to mention the fact you've been shot twice. You've

36:32

been shot twice. Already. And you think you're gonna

36:34

be maybe shot again. So maybe you

36:37

think you did something when you didn't do it. Yeah. You

36:40

know? It could be that he's not even lying.

36:43

Right. He could just have remembered

36:45

it that way and other people remembered

36:47

it differently or maybe that's the way

36:49

it really did happen. But the one

36:51

thing that's for sure is

36:54

that Chilino's friends and family

36:56

noticed that he changed after

36:59

the shooting. He gave away his

37:01

guns to his friends and he negotiated

37:04

the rights to his music with Musart

37:06

Records. So maybe he decided

37:09

the tough guy gun-toting

37:12

image wasn't the

37:14

best course. Yeah, I

37:16

think he figured, you know what? I

37:19

don't wanna have to worry about this happening every time I do

37:21

a show. So he wanted this

37:23

company to promote him so he could focus

37:25

on booking performances. By

37:28

this point, he was earning 10 to $15,000 a weekend

37:32

playing at different venues. I

37:35

would say that's really good money in the early

37:37

1990s. Yeah, if he's making

37:39

that consistently, he's making over a

37:41

half million dollars a year, right? Yeah, I mean, it's

37:44

not Garth Brooks' money, but

37:47

I'm sure it was more money than, you know, he

37:49

had ever had in his entire life. Talino

37:52

was distrustful of big businesses.

37:55

Instead of royalties, he wanted

37:57

upfront payment.

37:58

He sold all the rights.

37:59

to his songs with no royalties

38:02

provisions for $115,000. Man,

38:06

they got a good deal there, didn't they? They did. And

38:09

we've seen people make kind of bad

38:11

deals like this before in the past.

38:14

And this one turned out to be a bad

38:17

one because his royalties now are worth

38:20

somewhere in the million. Fernando Gonzalez

38:22

from USART told LA

38:24

Weekly, the quantity of money that

38:26

this man lost was incredible. I

38:29

think he was already thinking that he

38:31

was going to die. And there

38:33

was something to that. Cellino

38:35

had been receiving threats since the

38:37

shooting. Yeah. His wife

38:40

Maricela said in her 1998 interview

38:44

with LA Weekly, the atmosphere

38:46

in the bars and Cantina's is dangerous.

38:49

And he knew it. He did what anyone

38:51

does when you realize that you

38:53

can die at any time. He put his life

38:55

in order. He never thought his records

38:57

would sell as well as they did

39:00

or would have helped us out

39:02

as much as they would have. He never felt

39:04

like an artist. He never knew the magnitude

39:07

of what he would become. And

39:10

I think that's true for a lot of people. And

39:12

I'm not even just talking about

39:14

musicians.

39:15

You know, when someone is starting

39:17

out in something and they're making

39:20

a little bit of money, let's say you

39:22

opened up a food truck.

39:24

Yeah. And it was doing pretty good. People

39:26

liked the food. And someone came

39:28

along and said, you

39:30

know, I don't want to buy it. I'll give

39:32

you X for

39:33

it.

39:35

And that amount was more

39:37

money than you ever had in

39:40

your entire life. Yeah. Do

39:42

people take that or do they

39:44

continue to build and

39:46

have that continued stream of income,

39:49

maybe open up a franchise

39:52

of food trucks? And it's just a

39:54

decision that people have to make. And sometimes

39:56

they choose right. And sometimes

39:58

they don't. Sometimes what they choose at

40:01

that moment is the right thing for them at the

40:04

moment. And then they might have like

40:06

regrets later when they think about,

40:08

but you never know how things could turn out. No, you

40:10

never do. It's like that story

40:12

about, um, the

40:15

person who worked for Walmart.

40:18

And I don't remember the story exactly,

40:20

but they were given like

40:22

so many shares of stock and

40:25

they needed a new lawnmower and

40:28

they sold the shares of stock to buy

40:30

like a riding lawnmower and it's

40:32

the most expensive riding lawnmower

40:34

in the history of the world because the stock

40:37

is, would have is now worth millions

40:40

and millions and millions of dollars, but they

40:42

didn't know that probably at the time. There's

40:45

no way they could have done.

40:48

Cellino purchased a home for his family

40:50

in Paramount and he started doing live

40:52

performances again, just one

40:55

month after he appeared in court

40:57

to testify against Gallegos

40:59

Cellino Sanchez was murdered in

41:02

May, 1992. Cellino

41:04

was offered $20,000 to

41:06

perform in Kulaikon,

41:08

the capital city of Sinaloa.

41:11

That's a good chunk of change back

41:13

in 92 to do a performance. Well, $20,000

41:16

when he sold his royalties for 115. Yeah.

41:22

So that is a, that's a lot of money. And I think

41:24

it, it just shows you maybe

41:27

what his thinking was. I

41:29

don't know. I'll get this money,

41:32

this big amount upfront, but I still

41:34

keep doing these. These shows

41:36

and keep making good money too.

41:39

I'm not sure his wife didn't want

41:41

him to go because the city was dangerous,

41:43

but Cellino had already asked for 50%

41:45

of the money in advance. So

41:49

he was pretty much obligated to perform

41:52

on May 15th, 1992. 2000 people

41:55

came to the salon.

42:00

Chilino's final concert. In

42:02

the middle of his performance, a

42:04

man from the audience handed Chilino

42:07

a note. He stopped and read the paper.

42:09

This was captured on video. You can

42:12

see his reaction to the note. He

42:14

appears stressed. Even

42:16

wiping what appears to be sweat

42:19

off his forehead, he then crumples

42:21

up the note and continues singing.

42:24

To this day, no one knows

42:26

what the note said. It has become

42:29

known as the death

42:31

note. So it makes you wonder, right? Everybody's

42:33

going to wonder what was on the note. What

42:36

did it say? Well, I know a lot

42:38

of people have thought

42:40

that it was some type of warning,

42:43

but if it was, then

42:45

he didn't pay a lot of attention to it.

42:48

In the early morning hours of May 16th,

42:51

Chilino left the concert in a vehicle

42:53

with his brothers, Espiridian

42:56

and Francisco, his cousin,

42:59

Carmelo Felix, and a few

43:01

women. They were stopped at a traffic circle

43:04

by two Chevy Suburbans. A

43:06

group of armed men surrounded the vehicle.

43:09

One of them presented police identification.

43:12

Chilino and his brother, Espiridian,

43:15

were removed from the car. Carmelo

43:18

would later say, as quoted by Police

43:20

Magazine, maybe one or two

43:23

were policemen. The others might have been

43:25

Madrinas, which meant godmothers.

43:28

He was referring to a form of corruption,

43:31

where criminals are employed as police

43:33

officers to work for the authorities

43:35

or drug cartels. The group tried

43:37

to offer them money to let them go,

43:40

but they wouldn't accept the offer. Chilino

43:43

was told by someone, my commander

43:45

needs you. Okay.

43:47

Little ominous. It is. Scary.

43:50

He pleaded with the men not to take anyone

43:53

beside him. According to Chilino's

43:55

bandmate, Nacho Hernandez, Espiridian

43:59

was only a man. released because Chilino

44:01

lied and said he had just met

44:03

him at the show. Okay, so that's pretty

44:07

brave, pretty gallant. Yeah,

44:10

he's trying to offer

44:12

himself up to save everyone

44:14

else. He lies about

44:17

this guy being his brother to try

44:19

to save his life. Just let all these

44:22

guys go, take me. That's what I would

44:24

say. Let me

44:26

think about that for a minute. For some reason, I had it

44:28

playing out differently in my head, more

44:31

of a take everyone else but

44:33

me. If you let

44:35

me go, I'll tell you everything

44:37

you want to know. Something like

44:39

that. Something like that. No, you're very brave. Chilino

44:42

was then driven away in one of the vehicles.

44:45

That was the last time anyone saw

44:47

him alive. Hours later,

44:50

his body was found near an irrigation

44:52

canal, near a highway. He

44:54

was shot twice in the back of the head with

44:57

a .38 caliber gun. He

44:59

was blindfolded and had rope

45:01

marks around his chest.

45:04

Not really too hard to figure out

45:07

what happened right from that description.

45:10

This wasn't a gun battle. This

45:12

wasn't an accident. When

45:15

you're blindfolded, you're tied up

45:17

and shot twice in the back of the head, that's

45:20

a hit. It is a hit.

45:23

That's what people thought. Chilino was

45:25

the victim of a professional hit, but

45:27

the motive has never been established.

45:30

Word of his death spread to Los Angeles

45:33

and nearby cities quickly. The

45:35

DA's office in Coachella sent detectives

45:38

to Sinaloa to confirm his death.

45:41

Back in 1992, the desert

45:43

sun reported that a woman accompanying

45:46

Chilino that evening was not

45:49

injured by the assailant. She

45:51

had not spoken with the police as

45:53

of May 19th, according

45:55

to Mexican state judicial police detective

45:58

Jose Luis Martino. Martinez Sanchez,

46:01

Detective Martinez Sanchez speculated

46:04

that the killers were from Los Angeles.

46:07

He said, per The Desert Sun, we're

46:09

investigating the shooting. It's possible

46:12

he had problems with somebody. They

46:15

came just for him. So he's mixed

46:17

up in that world, right? You know, he's

46:19

got songs that he's

46:22

written for some of the cartel

46:24

in the past. He's climbing

46:27

the ladder of fame. You got people

46:29

that probably don't like to see that. You

46:31

got other people that might feel like maybe he

46:34

stepped on them on his way up. I

46:37

mean, you got so many different

46:40

angles for somebody to not want

46:42

him around. Yeah, no, I get that.

46:44

You know, we also talked about the fact that he

46:47

was quick to fight if

46:49

challenged. You know, did he

46:52

provoke the wrong person? Did...

46:55

I thought that too. Did one of the songs,

46:58

you know, that he wrote for one

47:00

of the cartel figures

47:03

not go over well or did he not

47:05

deliver on something that he was supposed

47:08

to? Again, I think you're right.

47:10

A lot of different angles, a

47:12

lot of different roads to go down.

47:15

Many have questioned if the shooting involving

47:17

Edward Gallegos was related to Chilino's

47:20

murder. In December 1993,

47:23

Gallegos was ruled incompetent to

47:25

stand trial due to substantial

47:28

mental defects per the desert

47:30

sun. He was later convicted and

47:32

sentenced to 20 years to life. And

47:35

I think you have to look at that angle

47:38

as well. You know, were these family

47:41

members of this guy or

47:43

was he connected to some

47:46

rough people and they decided

47:48

to exact their revenge? Yeah,

47:51

they might have said, hey, we don't like how

47:53

that turned out. And now our

47:56

friend, brother, whoever is in prison

47:59

and you're out here.

48:00

Still singing, making all this money. In

48:02

August of this year, the LA Times

48:05

released an article about Gallegos

48:07

and the murder of Chilino Sanchez. Gallegos

48:10

was released on May 9th. He

48:12

spent 31 years in prison. He's

48:15

now in his 60s. The LA Times

48:17

reported that he was facing deportation,

48:20

but his whereabouts are unknown.

48:23

He first came up for parole in 2012. He

48:26

had two more hearings in 2017 and 2022. He

48:32

explained that at the time of the shooting,

48:34

he was struggling financially, his marriage

48:37

was failing, and he was struggling

48:39

with heroin addiction. At his

48:41

parole hearings, he gave two different

48:43

stories about why he shot Chilino

48:46

Sanchez. He said that on the day

48:49

of the shooting, he attended a cockfight.

48:51

By the time he arrived at the Plaza

48:54

Los Arcos Club, he'd had 30

48:56

beers and used heroin.

48:59

He was also carrying a pistol with

49:01

him. So he was definitely pretty

49:04

wasted. 30 beers?

49:06

Now,

49:07

in my younger days, in my

49:09

Frank the Tank days, I could

49:11

put away some beer. Not 30

49:14

beers. A lot of beers. That is a lot.

49:16

And I've never used heroin, so I have no idea

49:19

how the two of those would

49:21

mix.

49:22

At the 2012

49:24

hearing, Gallego said he

49:26

wanted Chilino to give him his gun so

49:29

he could shoot it on stage while

49:31

he sang. But Chilino

49:33

got scared. He didn't know Chilino

49:36

had a gun. They started shooting each

49:38

other at the same time.

49:40

Okay.

49:41

If I'm an entertainer and

49:44

I'm on stage and a guy

49:46

jumps up on the stage with

49:48

a gun, is my first thought,

49:50

oh, he wants to give it to me so

49:53

that I can fire it off while

49:55

I sing my songs. Yeah, I'm not thinking that

49:57

at all. No, I'm thinking... This

50:00

is approaching me with a gun and he's,

50:03

you know, about to do me harm.

50:06

Now, you know, why you get a metal wand up

50:08

and down your body before you go into the concert today.

50:10

Yeah. And you know, this whole explanation,

50:14

I don't know how true it rings,

50:16

you know, they started shooting

50:19

each other at the same time. Well,

50:21

yeah, maybe that's true, but would

50:24

Cholino have ever pulled

50:26

his pistol if this guy wasn't

50:28

walking across the stage pointing

50:31

one at him? Probably not. My

50:33

other thought is where are the

50:36

the bouncers, the stage

50:38

security? I mean, apparently

50:40

there was none. Anybody and their brother

50:42

could just jump on stage and hang

50:45

out with the singer, I guess. I guess.

50:47

Or maybe they said, Oh, he's

50:49

got a gun. This guy's got a gun. This

50:51

job ain't worth it. Right. In 2012 and 2022,

50:53

Gallego said that Cholino walked by his table on his

50:55

way to the stage. He

51:02

asked Cholino to perform a specific

51:05

song. Cholino agreed, but he never

51:07

played it. Gallego said he

51:09

became angry and got onto the

51:11

stage and then shot at Cholino.

51:14

Yeah, I don't know if that's a reason to shoot

51:16

somebody, but maybe also wait. Maybe

51:20

he was planning on playing it later in the night.

51:23

Was the concert over? Yeah. Yeah,

51:25

I have no idea. I'm with you.

51:28

It doesn't seem even

51:30

remotely like

51:33

a reason why you should get on

51:35

stage and shoot someone. But

51:37

does it sound more plausible

51:40

than the other scenario

51:43

he gave him? And to me, it kind of

51:45

does. You know, if you've had 30 beers

51:49

and you've ingested heroin,

51:52

maybe your fuse is pretty

51:54

short. Yeah, maybe. And maybe you're embarrassed

51:57

because you told your friends that.

52:00

He's gonna play that song for me and then he doesn't

52:02

play it. Yeah. Now. I look like an ass I'm

52:05

not I'm not saying it it makes any sense

52:07

It just seems to make a little

52:10

more sense than the other version. I

52:12

guess to me deputy da

52:14

Terry Wyatt said in 2022 per

52:16

the LA Times eight

52:18

people were shot because this inmate

52:21

says the singer didn't play a song

52:23

he wanted That's ridiculous

52:25

senseless violent and I don't

52:27

think we're getting at the exact Motive

52:30

here. So I mean this guy is saying

52:33

neither one of them

52:34

makes sense to him and

52:35

It's kind of hard to argue with

52:37

that. Yeah, but sometimes things just don't

52:39

make sense sometimes, but it's also

52:43

very hard to tell when

52:46

You know, some of these people are telling the truth.

52:48

They give so many different stories How

52:51

do you figure out if the

52:53

first one's right the second one's right

52:55

or they're lying about both of them Yeah, that's

52:57

the problem right when you start off with

53:00

a lie Nothing ever sounds like the truth

53:02

when it actually is the truth. Yeah, police

53:04

commissioner William Muniz Ask I ago's

53:07

if he went to Plaza Los Arcos

53:10

intending to kill Cellino But guy

53:12

who goes claimed that he didn't know who

53:14

Cellino was which Contradicted

53:17

an earlier statement that he

53:19

knew about Cellino's music Again

53:22

makes no sense. How are you going to ask

53:25

him to perform your favorite

53:27

song? When you say you don't

53:29

even know who the guy is That's

53:32

a really good point. How could you say

53:34

something like that? If you don't even know who he is It doesn't

53:37

make any sense to me, but isn't

53:39

it interesting, you know when

53:41

they document What this guy's

53:43

saying? year after year

53:46

and how things change and it it

53:49

doesn't make sense and then So,

53:52

okay, I change it that doesn't really make sense

53:55

either at the 2022 hearing

53:58

guy goes finally admitted that

54:01

he was trying to kill Cholino when he shot

54:03

at him. He also admitted responsibility

54:06

for the death of Renee

54:09

Carranza.

54:10

And it's hard for me to think that there's

54:12

not a, a, a correlation

54:15

between him finally

54:17

admitting that he,

54:19

you know, purposefully did this and

54:22

then him getting out. Yeah, because we've

54:24

talked about it many times. Pearl

54:26

boards don't like it

54:28

when they think you're lying

54:31

to them. Or you won't

54:33

take responsibility for your actions.

54:36

They're going to keep you in there. And so he

54:38

admits what he did

54:40

in 2022, whether

54:43

it was the truth or not, he admitted to it

54:45

and he took responsibility

54:48

for the death of Renee Carranza. And

54:50

then he got out this year, the next year.

54:52

So now what I think a lot

54:54

of people have wondered

54:57

over the years is whether Gallegos

55:00

was hired by someone to kill Cholino

55:04

in January, 1992. But if he was, I

55:08

think there's very little chance, especially

55:11

now that he's out of prison that he would

55:13

ever admit to that. Because

55:16

if you ask me, that probably

55:19

makes more sense than any of the

55:21

other stories that he's told. Given

55:24

the fact that Cholino was

55:26

murdered later on. Yeah. So

55:29

it was, you know, was this the first attempt,

55:32

but it was botched. Cholino

55:35

didn't die. This guy took

55:37

the fall for it. And then, and

55:40

then they find someone else finally carried

55:42

it out later. There are

55:44

many people who believe that

55:46

Cholino angered someone, perhaps

55:49

a powerful drug trafficker, and

55:52

they hired people to murder him.

55:54

You know, we talked about that angle

55:56

earlier. It's been noted that some

55:59

of the musicians, who's saying narco

56:01

Corrido's live pretty

56:04

dangerous lifestyle. And I don't

56:06

know how you couldn't

56:08

say that. If you're interacting

56:10

with notorious cartel

56:13

leaders, that in and of itself

56:16

is dangerous. Extremely dangerous.

56:19

Whether you're a musician

56:22

or someone directly involved

56:25

in the drug trade, if they don't like

56:28

something that you do, we've

56:30

seen it. They don't really have

56:33

a hard time ordering

56:34

your death. No,

56:36

they won't hesitate. Billboard

56:38

described the murder of Cholino Sanchez

56:41

as the first high profile murder of

56:44

a regional Mexican singer in

56:46

the modern era. Since his death,

56:49

at least a dozen famous singers have

56:51

been murdered. Billboard reported

56:54

in a 2015 article that

56:56

these murders are an acknowledged

56:59

risk for performers of the

57:01

genre.

57:02

And again, we just talked about it. If

57:04

you're going to delve into

57:07

that life, if you're gonna interact

57:09

with people who live that

57:11

life day in, day out, there's

57:14

danger. There's a lot of danger. You

57:16

better be okay with that. A promoter

57:18

told Billboard that artists can

57:20

be killed for many reasons. If they

57:22

play at a party for a rival

57:25

drug trafficker, if they look

57:27

at someone's girlfriend, or if

57:29

they're paid to write a song about

57:32

arrival. And all of that makes perfect

57:35

sense to me. I

57:38

think some of these very powerful

57:40

people feel slighted, just

57:43

slighted. Some very bad things

57:45

can happen. Yeah, and the

57:47

cartel you wrote for might not

57:49

be there to protect you when the song

57:53

airs about their arrival.

57:55

But I don't think they can protect you. Yeah.

57:58

I don't think anyone can protect you.

58:00

If one of these big cartels

58:03

want somebody dead, more likely

58:05

than not, it's going to happen. Alfred

58:10

Corchado from the Dallas Morning News

58:12

told Billboard that drug dealers

58:15

also kill artists because they

58:17

often get away with it and because

58:19

it makes the news. What's true to write

58:22

it's going to make the news and it's a

58:24

way to maybe enhance

58:26

their standing their

58:29

image or standing within their group

58:31

also way to put some fear some people

58:33

to like don't mess with us because

58:36

even entertainers are. Attainable don't

58:39

don't write songs about us yeah that

58:41

we don't want written. But artists

58:44

are often willing to associate with

58:46

drug traffickers because they fund their

58:48

careers anonymous promoter

58:50

provided a scenario saying you're

58:53

a young artist and someone offers

58:55

you a hundred thousand dollars to record

58:57

a song and make it a hit. It

59:00

goes to number one and suddenly

59:02

Univision and Telemundo

59:05

are babbling for you I get

59:07

it it's a quick jump the

59:09

fame. Well there's a definitely

59:11

a big risk reward component

59:15

here you know if you're struggling

59:18

to make it you came from

59:20

poverty someone offers you a hundred

59:23

thousand dollars and a chance to be a star

59:25

that's pretty hard to turn down. Even

59:28

if you know that the risks are

59:30

what they are some people are just going

59:32

to have to roll the dice. Professor

59:36

Ramirez. Pime into

59:38

who spoke with l pay said

59:40

that some singers claim all

59:43

their koritos are paid for and

59:45

that singer sometimes need to ask for permission

59:48

to release a song. This information

59:50

supports the theory that cholino

59:53

had angered a powerful person but the

59:55

exact motives are still unknown

59:58

in two thousand twenty two. Two

1:00:00

journalists, Dardo Neubauer

1:00:03

and Laura Sanchez, worked together to

1:00:05

investigate who killed Chilino

1:00:08

Sanchez. They launched a project

1:00:10

called Archivera in

1:00:13

March 2022. The

1:00:15

purpose is to request public

1:00:17

records for current news and unsolved

1:00:20

cases to provide the general

1:00:22

public with more information. They requested

1:00:25

public records related to the Chilino

1:00:27

Sanchez case from the transparency

1:00:30

unit of the Sinaloa

1:00:33

Attorney General's Office, but were

1:00:35

told their request could not be completed.

1:00:38

They learned that the police were still investigating

1:00:40

the case and that releasing the records

1:00:43

would reveal their strategies and methods.

1:00:45

The Attorney General's Office sent

1:00:47

the public records request to a

1:00:49

transparency committee to keep the records

1:00:52

sealed for another five years. Wow.

1:00:55

So,

1:00:55

you know, that's pretty interesting. If

1:00:58

they are still investigating it, okay,

1:01:01

you could understand why maybe releasing

1:01:04

some of these records would jeopardize

1:01:08

the investigation. But if they're

1:01:11

not, and there's just some stuff in there

1:01:13

they don't want somebody to know, well,

1:01:16

they bought another five years. It's a good way to bury

1:01:18

it for another five years. So we don't

1:01:20

know the

1:01:21

truth about it. It's been 31

1:01:24

years since Chilino Sanchez

1:01:26

was murdered. His fame increased

1:01:29

exponentially after he died,

1:01:32

which happens to a lot of artists. Sure.

1:01:35

And he inspires many artists

1:01:37

today. Many find his case especially

1:01:40

intriguing because of the mysterious

1:01:42

death note and the lack of

1:01:44

information surrounding his murder.

1:01:47

Love to get eyes on that note. Yeah, I think

1:01:49

the note is a big part of it. You

1:01:51

know, the problem is there's just no information

1:01:54

about it. So we have this mysterious

1:01:56

note, no idea what

1:01:58

it said. Was it someone trying

1:02:01

to warn him that they

1:02:03

were, that someone else

1:02:05

was out to get him? Was it

1:02:07

a note, maybe directing him

1:02:10

to a location where he would then

1:02:13

be ambushed? We have no

1:02:15

idea. Maybe it had nothing to do with this murder at

1:02:17

all. That's true. Maybe just said, I love

1:02:19

your music. Yeah. Come to my room tonight.

1:02:21

And he's like, uh,

1:02:22

no.

1:02:24

He has to say, but there had to have been something

1:02:26

to make him crumble

1:02:29

it up and throw it away. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:02:31

that, that's almost like, he

1:02:34

didn't like what he was reading.

1:02:36

Right. So I don't think it was fan

1:02:39

mail. Maybe it said, I know what you do with my

1:02:41

sister. And he's like, Oh man, I know what you

1:02:43

did last summer. Maybe. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

1:02:46

But it is such a, you know, a strange

1:02:49

case. And I learned a lot

1:02:52

about these Caritos.

1:02:55

I had no idea that, you know,

1:02:57

there were these musicians

1:03:00

who were hired and even funded

1:03:03

by some of the cartels to write these

1:03:05

songs. And, um, it

1:03:07

was kind of eyeopening really. You should write one.

1:03:10

No, thank you. Don't be nothing. Nor Corito.

1:03:13

Corito. Oh, just the Corito. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:16

I mean,

1:03:17

you know,

1:03:17

when I look at the possibilities

1:03:20

and there are a lot of different possibilities

1:03:23

of what this could have been, the most

1:03:25

obvious one to me is that

1:03:28

Cholino did something

1:03:31

to anger one of these big,

1:03:33

you know, drug cartel leaders

1:03:36

or someone, whether

1:03:38

it was releasing a song he didn't have

1:03:40

permission to, whether it was

1:03:43

taking money to write one of these

1:03:45

narco Coritos, and he

1:03:47

didn't deliver, it could be a

1:03:49

ton of different things, but it

1:03:51

got him killed. Yeah. And sometimes I think it can

1:03:53

be something as simple as someone got him started

1:03:56

and then he didn't

1:03:59

go back to that. He didn't want to have anything to

1:04:01

do with them. Yeah. Yeah. And they felt slighted.

1:04:03

Exactly. And they're like, yeah,

1:04:05

I'll show you how I take care of that. Yeah.

1:04:08

Then again, you could go down a

1:04:10

lot of different rabbit holes. What

1:04:13

ifs, it could be this, it could

1:04:15

be that. Yeah. And that's

1:04:17

part of what makes a case compelling

1:04:20

and what makes people

1:04:22

continue to look into it for,

1:04:25

you know, 20, 30 plus years. Yeah.

1:04:29

But that's it for our episode on

1:04:31

Chilino Sanchez. That's

1:04:34

it for another episode of True Crime All

1:04:36

the Time Unsolved. So for Mike and Gibby,

1:04:38

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