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get. Your Podcasts. Hello

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everyone and welcome to episode 365 of the

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True Crime All The Time Unsolved Podcast. I'm

2:41

Mike Ferguson and with me as always is

2:43

my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Hey,

2:45

I'm doing good. How about you? Doing

2:48

great, man. Having a great week. My

2:51

wife's almost done with

2:53

her school year, so she's really

2:56

excited about that. My youngest

2:58

is home from college. My oldest is

3:01

still in graduate school, but yeah.

3:04

So they got some vacation time coming up. Yeah, we

3:06

got some more family time too, and

3:08

so that's always exciting. Let's

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go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We

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had Christina Wilson. What's going

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on, Christina? Tara Souter. Hey, Souter.

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and Nurse Betty. Well, hey, Furious

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3:28

hi, Candy. Nicole. Hey,

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good old Nicole. Ray Herron jumped out at

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our highest level. What up, Ray? And

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last but not least, Ann Gurdie. There's the Gurdies. And

3:37

then if we go back into the vault. This

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week we selected Ari Ansborough. Hey, Ansborough.

3:43

Hey, Ansborough. So appreciate the

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new support, the continued support. We also

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had a great PayPal donation from Linda

3:49

Higginson. Hey, appreciate that, Linda. Yeah, thank

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you to everyone who helped support the

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show. Love you all. So

3:56

next weekend, Gibbs, we will be

3:58

at CrimeCon. And for

4:01

anybody who's going, I just

4:03

wanted to mention, again, that we're having a

4:05

meetup Saturday night, Yeah. 9

4:07

o'clock at either Fuse or Fusion,

4:09

I all of a sudden forget

4:11

the name of the bar. And Morphes buying.

4:13

And Morphes buying everyone's drinks. That's what he

4:15

said. But it is one of the bars

4:17

inside the hotel, so it shouldn't

4:19

be that hard to figure out. It is a

4:22

very large hotel. It is a large hotel, though.

4:25

I remember when we were there, what was it

4:27

now, six years ago or something? The

4:30

amount of walking really adds up.

4:33

It was pretty extensive. It was, to

4:35

get from our room to kind of

4:37

like where Crime Con was held. Yeah.

4:40

I mean, it was

4:42

like going from Tomorrowland

4:44

to Adventureland or

4:47

something. It was like some track in Disney.

4:49

I needed to get up early. I had

4:51

that stuff wrapped in a little

4:53

bandana on a stick, and I started my-

4:55

Your bundle? My bender-y bundle. My bundle, yeah.

4:57

Well, the fact that you ended up getting

4:59

a rascal, I thought was way over the

5:02

top. Is that too much? I thought it

5:04

was. Yeah. Because you didn't need

5:06

it. Well. So we have an

5:08

episode out right now on True Crime All the

5:10

Time, where we're talking about Dan White and

5:13

the murder of Harvey Milk

5:15

and San Francisco Mayor George

5:17

Moscone. Pretty famous case. Pretty

5:19

famous case. This

5:21

is where you get the Twinkie defense, and

5:24

there's really a lot going on. So if you

5:27

haven't listened to it, make sure you check it

5:29

out. All right, buddy, are you ready to get

5:31

into this episode of True Crime All the Time,

5:33

Unsolved? I'm ready. We're talking about the disappearance of

5:36

Christopher Hoy. In May, 2022, 33-year-old Christopher

5:38

Hoy left

5:41

his home and never returned. His truck

5:43

was found on a bridge overlooking

5:46

a river, but there were no signs of

5:48

him anywhere. Two years later, Christopher

5:50

still has not been found. His

5:53

family has no idea what happened

5:55

to him, but they have speculated

5:57

about the possibility that Christopher was

5:59

harmed. by someone or that

6:02

he possibly even ran away to start a

6:04

new life. And I think we've

6:06

talked about it before, but you know, when you

6:08

really have no idea, what are you left

6:10

with? Speculation. That's

6:13

all you have. What else can you do

6:15

but to speculate as to what could have

6:17

happened. And, you know, there

6:19

are a number of different things,

6:21

but you know, really comes

6:23

down to accident,

6:25

foul play, voluntarily

6:28

running off. And a

6:30

lot of these disappearance cases, that's what

6:32

I truly believe. I agree with

6:34

you. This is what it narrows down to. And

6:37

for me, as I've often

6:39

said, that kind of voluntarily

6:42

running off to start a new

6:44

life avenue is usually

6:47

towards the bottom of my list.

6:49

Now that's not to say that it doesn't

6:52

happen because it does. Yeah, we know it

6:54

does. But more often than not, in

6:56

the cases we do, there is

6:58

evidence that kind of makes it seem

7:01

as though that would just be

7:03

so unlikely. Christopher James Hoy

7:05

was born on March 16th, 1989. Chris

7:09

grew up in Peoria, Illinois. He

7:11

was described as an energetic boy who

7:14

liked to make people happy. He

7:16

played baseball in high school and enjoyed

7:18

watching games with his dad. Chris

7:20

also worked a local paper route to

7:22

make some money. You ever work

7:25

a paper route? I did. Yeah. I worked

7:27

at maybe three years.

7:30

I actually used to do the weekly paper,

7:33

like the community paper. Then I branched out

7:35

to the big paper in

7:37

this area and delivered it daily.

7:40

Wow. And even the Sunday too. That's

7:42

a big daddy one. Yeah, that was better

7:44

money. Yeah. So I've had a

7:46

lot of jobs in my life, but Paperboy

7:49

was not one of them. Really?

7:51

Yeah. Yeah. I think dad

7:53

entailed getting up very early in the

7:55

morning from what I understand. It did,

7:58

which has never been my strong. suit,

8:00

but you know, I made some money and then

8:03

I branched out

8:05

into long care service. That did not

8:07

last very long though. Not

8:09

a fan. Well, it was too much responsibility

8:12

at an early age. I mean, people really depended

8:14

on you getting there to cut their grass. As

8:17

opposed to receiving their paper. Like,

8:19

you know, I mean, okay, so I didn't get my

8:22

tip this week because you didn't get your paper on

8:24

time, but they got kind of upset when you didn't

8:26

cut their yard on time. Yeah. It's pretty noticeable. Yeah.

8:29

When your grass was not moved after

8:31

graduation, Chris was interested in

8:33

hands-on work with cars and

8:35

heavy machinery. He started

8:37

working for Caterpillar Inc, but he

8:40

didn't like working in a controlled

8:42

environment. Chris decided he wanted

8:44

to be his own boss. So he

8:46

started flipping houses. There's a lot

8:48

of people that don't like to

8:50

be working in a controlled environment.

8:52

No. And, and I think if

8:55

you ask people and they were honest. A

8:58

lot of people would say, I

9:00

really want to be my own boss. Sure.

9:03

Now it's oftentimes much harder

9:05

than people think it is, right?

9:07

Or there's much more work involved

9:09

or, you know, more responsibility involved

9:12

than people think about, but it

9:14

can also be very rewarding.

9:17

Now this idea of flipping

9:19

houses, you know, depending on how

9:21

the market's going

9:24

can be super lucrative for sure.

9:27

It's about all my wife watches

9:29

on HGTV. Yeah. Either

9:31

flipping or redesigning or flipping,

9:34

flopping. I don't know. They're always,

9:36

they're always doing something. But

9:38

I also know a lot of people who

9:41

have done it over the years and

9:43

got really burnt when the market turned.

9:45

Yeah. You could be stuck holding some

9:48

inventory that maybe you wish you didn't

9:50

have. Yeah. Cause it's no longer worth

9:53

anywhere near what

9:55

you bought it for and then put a bunch of

9:58

money on top of it into. Or

10:00

you start the renovations and you run into

10:03

bigger problems they didn't know that were

10:05

there like code problems and needing all

10:07

new electrical and all

10:09

that Chris enjoyed renovation

10:12

projects and it seemed like this

10:14

career was a good fit for him And

10:16

I do think for a lot of people there there

10:18

is a draw to working with your

10:22

hands right to Doing

10:25

something that at the end

10:27

of the day you can say Or

10:30

you can actually see this is what

10:32

I've done right and a lot of jobs

10:34

don't offer that You can't

10:36

really point to something and say

10:38

look here's what I did. You're

10:41

just doing stuff all day long But it's

10:44

really hard to see Chris

10:46

got into a relationship and had two

10:48

children a son and daughter One

10:51

source listed this woman's name is Cynthia,

10:54

but other sources didn't use her name at

10:56

all Chris's family was not

10:59

too fond of Cynthia and

11:01

the relationship didn't last long Chris

11:03

got full custody of the children, but

11:05

sources didn't say why and

11:07

I always have that question I mean, I

11:10

think not always but

11:12

very often the mother Gets

11:15

custody of the children. You're right.

11:18

So When a father

11:20

gets full custody, I'm

11:22

always curious as to why obviously

11:24

there there's something going on there

11:27

Throw that reason. Yes. Yeah, there's a reason

11:29

for that But we

11:32

don't know what it is on November 3rd

11:36

2017 Chris met his wife Alicia at

11:38

a bar in Illinois she

11:40

was waiting for a friend when Chris

11:43

approached her and struck up a conversation

11:45

and they continued talking throughout the evening

11:48

Alicia said in her Interview for the

11:50

show disappeared that she might

11:52

have fallen in love with Chris that night You

11:55

were falling in love with somebody in one night. I

11:57

know your wife listens to this so, you

11:59

know the Correct answer, probably too many

12:01

times. But

12:05

it wasn't really love. Yeah. You

12:07

know, when I was younger, you meet

12:10

somebody at a bar, wouldn't call

12:12

it love. I might've back then. Yeah,

12:15

but could have been the amount of beers

12:17

that Frank the Tank had. That could have

12:19

had something to do with it. But when

12:21

you're young, do you really know what love

12:24

is? I just had my

12:26

28th year anniversary. Right.

12:30

So, love to me is different

12:32

at this point in time than what it was when I

12:34

was 20, 21 years old. Absolutely.

12:37

You know, and even younger, right? I mean,

12:39

yes. It changes over time.

12:41

What the definition or how

12:43

you perceive it is. Or the intensity. And what it

12:46

really means. Alicia

12:48

met Chris's kids early on. She

12:51

thought he was a sweet, caring

12:53

father. Alicia had a daughter

12:56

named Zoe from a previous relationship.

12:58

Zoe was a teenager when she met

13:00

Chris. Chris became a father

13:02

figure to her as her dad

13:05

was not involved in her life. And they

13:07

developed a really close bond. In

13:10

April, 2019, Alicia found out she

13:12

was pregnant. By this point,

13:14

she and Chris had already picked their wedding

13:16

day. They had a small backyard ceremony with

13:18

their kids. And Alicia's

13:21

cousin officiated the wedding. Chris

13:23

was ecstatic to have another baby. He

13:26

and Alicia created a happy blended

13:28

family. Reminds me of that movie,

13:30

Blended, which I love so much. You love that

13:32

movie. I do. I think I just talked about it the

13:35

other week. But what I do

13:37

wanna talk about is, you

13:40

know, this relationship, these

13:43

people. I mean, it sounds

13:45

like they were very in love. It

13:48

sounds like they were good

13:50

parents. You know, he even

13:52

got along well with her teenage daughter.

13:54

They formed a close bond. I

13:57

mean, we got a real Brady Bunch

13:59

situation. going on here. Yeah, they

14:01

were happy. It sounds like. And

14:04

they're gonna have another bake. By this

14:06

point Chris owned several rentals

14:08

and Airbnb's and Peoria. He

14:11

and Alicia had been working to grow the

14:13

business and they were making around

14:16

$10,000 a month in 2019. They're

14:19

doing good. Yeah, that's very good

14:21

money. Unfortunately, they lost

14:23

this source of income. When

14:25

the COVID pandemic started in

14:27

2020, Chris and Alicia struggled

14:30

to pay their bills and

14:32

some of the properties went into

14:34

foreclosure according to Chris's aunt. And

14:37

they weren't the only ones. Yeah,

14:39

it was a pretty devastating time for the

14:42

world. It was. It

14:44

was and you know it's hard to

14:46

believe that we're four years from

14:49

the start of it. Yeah, true.

14:51

Because wasn't it around this

14:54

time? Around May? Yeah, well.

14:57

Yeah, something like that. Yep,

14:59

early May. So four years

15:01

have gone by and and we're still

15:04

struggling in some aspects.

15:06

But you know it hit a

15:08

lot of people very, very hard.

15:10

In 2021, Chris and Alicia made

15:13

the difficult decision to sell their

15:15

properties and move. They decided to

15:17

move almost 300 miles to

15:20

Dixon, Missouri. They planned

15:22

to start homesteading on a farm property.

15:25

Do you ever homestead? No. No.

15:27

I also wasn't alive in the 1800s.

15:31

Maybe I should have asked you to provide

15:33

me the definition of homesteading. Because

15:36

I'm not exactly sure what it is. I've

15:39

only heard it really in like old

15:41

westerns and old shows. I

15:44

don't think it includes DoorDash. Oh,

15:46

then I'm out. Yeah, I'm out. Chris

15:49

and Alicia hoped it would be a new

15:51

chapter for their family. Alicia's

15:53

daughter Zoey remained in Illinois because

15:56

she was engaged and enrolled in

15:58

nursing school. Chris, and

16:00

Alicia spent the first couple of

16:02

months getting settled. They bought chickens,

16:04

goats, and ducks to get their

16:06

homestead started. They also decided

16:09

to homeschool their kid. So,

16:11

it does sound to me as though

16:13

you mentioned no door dash, but

16:16

it sounds to me like this is really kind

16:18

of like a, we're living

16:20

off this land, we're providing

16:22

everything for ourselves or some

16:26

situation like that. Yeah, you would have to take care

16:28

of the goats, the chickens, and the ducks, and I

16:30

don't see you doing that. No, I'm out. Yeah. You

16:33

might go collect the eggs to have

16:35

in the morning, but I don't know if you

16:37

will go out and do that. No, right

16:39

now they get delivered to my house in a

16:41

little carton. What else

16:43

do I need? Chris seemed

16:45

happy with this new simpler life,

16:48

but he was also struggling

16:50

with the loss of his successful business.

16:52

The couple were still having money

16:55

problems, and Chris most likely felt

16:57

ashamed by this. I

16:59

don't know how many people have gone through

17:01

this. When you go from making

17:03

X amount of money to

17:06

a much lower amount of money,

17:09

that is a real blow. Whether

17:13

you lost a job, you

17:15

lost a business, or something

17:17

like that. Most

17:19

of us, we get a custom to a

17:22

certain lifestyle, whatever

17:24

lifestyle that our salaries

17:27

will afford. If

17:29

a big chunk of that money goes away,

17:32

it's a dramatic change.

17:34

I do feel like for Chris,

17:37

it very well could have felt shameful

17:40

that he had lost that,

17:43

where he was able to provide a certain

17:46

life for his family. Now

17:48

that it's a different life, maybe

17:50

not at the same level. Right. I think

17:52

a lot of people just had a tough time

17:55

trying to figure out where they were at with

17:58

their life during that initial stage of life. of

18:00

COVID. And yeah, through

18:02

it and after it. Because,

18:04

you know, they lost

18:06

businesses, and that's not even talking

18:09

about like the actual

18:11

human life toll. But we're talking

18:13

more about people losing

18:16

businesses and their livelihoods and

18:18

things like that. You know,

18:21

that took a tremendous toll as well. When

18:23

Zoe came to visit them, she said they

18:26

had everything they needed for homesteading and

18:28

had done some work on the house.

18:30

The kids were excited about their new home.

18:32

However, Zoe noticed that something was

18:34

off with Chris. He told her,

18:37

I'm going through it. Okay, what

18:39

do you make of that? So he's saying,

18:41

look, I've got a lot of things going on,

18:44

and I'm going through it. And maybe, you

18:46

know, for him, it wasn't easy at

18:48

that time. Yeah, I took it to mean

18:50

that he was struggling with some things.

18:53

Now what those things were, besides,

18:56

you know, what we've already talked about, I don't know. Alicia

18:58

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Chris Hoy was last seen in Dixon, Missouri

22:16

on May 19, 2022. It

22:20

was a normal Thursday morning. Chris

22:22

and Alicia woke up at 6 o'clock.

22:24

They drank coffee together. They

22:27

did their morning chores and Alicia went to work.

22:29

When she got home, the Dixon area

22:32

was under a severe thunderstorm warning. So

22:34

she and Chris went outside to do

22:36

some flood prevention around the property. When

22:39

they finished, Chris told Alicia he was going

22:41

to take a shower. She went

22:43

inside to check on the kids and was in

22:45

the kitchen. When Chris came out of the bathroom,

22:48

she told him she was going to milk

22:50

the goats, which they kept in their basement.

22:53

I see right there is where you're going to have your

22:55

first problem. Goats in my

22:57

basement? They don't carry your basement with anything,

23:00

let alone some goats. No, because goats make

23:02

a lot of noise. That's

23:04

your concern? Yeah. The

23:06

noise they make? Well, there's also a lot

23:09

of cleanup involved, but I was thinking noise

23:11

at first, but now I'm thinking smell and

23:13

cleanup. Alicia heard Chris's

23:15

truck start up and leave their driveway

23:17

while she was down in the basement.

23:20

She ran upstairs and saw that the truck

23:22

was gone and the gate was open. Alicia

23:25

asked Chris's son where his dad went. He told

23:27

her, I don't know. He told me to go

23:29

to my room. That was all Chris

23:31

had said to him. Alicia was

23:33

both annoyed and worried. It

23:35

wasn't like Chris to leave without telling her

23:38

where he was going. He always told her

23:40

goodbye, gave her a kiss and told her

23:42

he loved her. She wondered what

23:44

kind of errand he needed to go on

23:46

that would cause him to leave so abruptly.

23:49

What did he see or what caused

23:52

such a, what seemed like a rush

23:54

decision or rash decision? To leave the

23:56

house? Yeah. I'm just putting

23:58

myself in this position. my wife

24:01

were to leave suddenly without

24:04

saying anything to me, that would

24:06

be very out of the ordinary. Now,

24:08

I could find out that she told me an

24:10

hour ago she was leaving and where she was

24:12

going. And I had already forgot. That

24:15

would be more realistic here. That has happened

24:17

a number of times a day. Alicia

24:20

also noticed that Chris left his

24:22

wallet and phone on a

24:24

table on their porch. And again,

24:26

when you're talking about signs or,

24:28

you know, things that

24:30

don't seem to make sense. Well,

24:32

obviously both of these, you

24:35

would put in that column. Yeah, they,

24:37

it doesn't really add up, right? Now

24:39

it's not to say that people don't forget

24:42

their wallet and phone when they leave, but

24:44

by and large, most people, you know, they

24:46

take their phones with them. They take their

24:48

wallet. What happens if you need gas? Does

24:51

it add to the mystery

24:54

that this person has left so

24:56

quickly without saying goodbye or without

24:58

telling you where they're going, that

25:00

they also left their phone and wallet. And I,

25:03

and I would say, yes, it does. And there's

25:05

no doubt that she thought it was very

25:07

strange. She called a friend to watch the kids so

25:09

that she could go look for Chris. She

25:12

had a strong intuition that she needed to go to the

25:14

river, which was less than a mile

25:16

from their house. She thought

25:18

that if Chris needed to get away, he

25:21

would go to the river because he liked being in nature. Alicia

25:23

found Chris's truck at the veterans bridge off highway 28

25:26

next to the Gaskinade

25:29

river. The first thing she noticed was that

25:32

Chris left the truck unlocked with the

25:34

keys and the ignition.

25:36

There was nothing else inside except a

25:38

single cigarette, but she didn't

25:40

see any footprints around the truck to

25:42

indicate what direction Chris

25:45

went. When she looked around, she saw that he

25:47

had parked at the spot where they normally saw

25:49

the truck. The

25:52

spot where they normally took the kids

25:54

swimming. So are you suspicious at this

25:56

point? Are you kind of like, I

25:58

don't know if you're suspicious. But I think

26:01

if you are Alicia, you're

26:04

curious. You're maybe even worried,

26:06

you know, as to what's

26:09

going on. Why would he leave the keys in

26:11

the truck? Why did he

26:13

park at this specific spot where

26:16

they park when they take the kids swimming, but

26:18

you know, he's nowhere to be found. The

26:21

Gaskinade river is deep and fast

26:23

moving and the water was especially

26:25

high after the storm. Alicia

26:27

feared that Chris was in the water. So

26:29

she called the police to report her husband

26:31

missing. I think that's a smart thing to

26:33

do. I mean, that should be a big

26:36

concern. She felt like

26:38

the police were taking her report

26:40

seriously because they started search efforts

26:42

immediately. It looked like Chris had

26:44

parked on the bridge with the

26:47

intention of getting in the water. So

26:49

his disappearance was treated as an emergency

26:51

from the beginning. Militia

26:53

also helped search the woods, but it was

26:55

too dark to search for long.

26:58

Around 9 AM the next morning, a

27:00

detective came to the house and told Alicia

27:03

they had a search team set up.

27:06

50 officers were sent out to search

27:08

the woods and riverbank. So it's

27:10

a pretty good search effort. But you

27:13

know, what I want to talk about is

27:15

what's that night like

27:17

for Alicia? You know, she

27:20

sees her husband or hears her

27:22

husband drive off, has no idea

27:25

what's going on, finds his truck. He's

27:27

nowhere to be found. Right. They

27:29

search. It gets too dark. She

27:32

has to go home. That's going to

27:34

be a really rough night. Probably

27:36

not sleeping. Probably not. You

27:38

know, and he probably got, you know,

27:41

a child crying because they're upset

27:43

because they don't know where their dad is. Yeah. Yeah.

27:45

It's going to be tough on her for sure. Alicia

27:48

called for an update around five

27:50

o'clock. A detective told her

27:52

they had used drones and search three

27:54

miles up and down the stream, but

27:57

they found no sign of Chris. The

27:59

police all. brought in divers and

28:02

dragged the river for five miles, but

28:04

they still found nothing. So I mean unlike

28:07

a lot of the cases that we do,

28:09

you know, the one

28:11

thing that you can't say is

28:13

that this search effort

28:15

wasn't immediate and pretty extensive.

28:17

Yeah, I feel like they

28:19

really went all out

28:21

with their efforts. Yes, I do too.

28:24

Now, we are talking about

28:26

2022, you know, the

28:28

technology as such today that

28:31

man, you can cover a lot of

28:33

ground with these drones and... I mean these

28:35

drones are really cool. I mean, I love

28:38

mine because I can always see what you're

28:40

cooking on your barbecue. Yes. To determine my

28:42

show-up time. Mm-hmm. And see me give you

28:44

the bird because I

28:46

can hear your drone flying over. Yeah,

28:48

that does happen now. So, but it

28:50

is really cool with some of

28:52

the technology updates. Man, it

28:54

doesn't mean a drone would catch

28:56

everything, but you know, can you

28:59

cover more ground than

29:02

people interlocked with

29:05

their arms like you used to see, you

29:07

know, in older video clips. And not that

29:09

they still don't do that, but walking

29:12

slowly covering, you know, all

29:14

this area. Yeah, but

29:16

I definitely feel like there's an advantage to

29:18

having that bird's-eye view in the sky. You

29:21

might see something very quickly. Yeah. That would

29:23

take you days to uncover

29:25

if you were doing more

29:27

of a grid search. Right. But I

29:29

also, you know, think the divers

29:32

and dragging the river was

29:34

important because it seemed

29:37

very early on that the

29:39

thought was he might have

29:41

possibly gone into the water. Now,

29:43

it said they dragged the river for five miles.

29:46

You know, if this river is as fast

29:48

flowing as what they said it was, you

29:50

know, a person's body could travel

29:53

quite a ways overnight.

29:55

Yeah. Maybe more than five miles.

29:57

No, I'm thinking so. evidence

30:00

of foul play and the

30:02

circumstances surrounding Chris's disappearance were

30:05

unclear. Initially, the authorities

30:08

considered the fact that Chris chose to end

30:10

his life. And I think

30:12

you have to at least consider that. Because

30:15

the financial struggles? That plus,

30:17

you know, he parked on a

30:19

bridge, left his keys there,

30:21

he's right by the water. What

30:24

else is he doing? Why would you park

30:26

on a bridge? Yeah. Unless

30:29

your plan was to jump into

30:31

the water. But is that going to help

30:33

your family out? He was concerned about

30:35

making sure that his family was okay.

30:38

And by doing something like that, I think

30:41

you're leaving them in a worse position.

30:44

No, obviously, it's not going to help

30:46

his family. It's

30:48

never going to help. It's going

30:50

to be very tough on the

30:52

family, if that's what he actually

30:54

did. But Alicia didn't believe

30:56

Chris would do this, although

30:58

she did acknowledge that the events of

31:01

the past two years did

31:03

weigh on him. He was not as

31:05

vibrant as he once was. And he

31:07

told her he was sad about the

31:09

loss of his businesses because he

31:11

wanted to build something to leave for his children.

31:14

Chris also had a hard time dealing with

31:16

the fact that they were struggling to pay

31:18

their bills. When speaking

31:20

to producers for the show disappeared,

31:22

Chris's aunt Teresa spoke about how

31:25

he was under a lot of

31:27

pressure. After moving to Missouri, homesteading

31:30

costs a lot of money up front. And

31:32

it takes a lot of work. And homeschooling

31:34

the kids added more

31:36

pressure for Chris and Alicia. I

31:39

think that would be a lot

31:41

of pressure. I know a lot of

31:43

people did the homeschooling during the COVID time

31:45

period. Not only homesteaders,

31:47

but just regular, everyday

31:50

parents, because they were forced to

31:52

do it because their kids weren't allowed to be

31:54

back in school. Well, you know, life

31:56

is hard. This is something my kids and

31:59

I talk about a lot. lot, you know, they're

32:01

getting older, they're experiencing

32:03

more of life on

32:05

their own. And they're starting to

32:08

see that obviously

32:10

it gets hard at

32:12

certain points. I think what we're

32:15

talking about here was pretty

32:17

extreme for Chris, right?

32:19

He goes from running some

32:22

successful businesses to losing all

32:24

of that completely

32:26

up roots, moves

32:29

to a different state, and

32:31

really embarks on a

32:33

completely different lifestyle. And,

32:35

you know, when you talk about not

32:37

being able to pay your bills or struggling

32:39

to pay your bills, that type

32:42

of financial pressure is

32:44

really tough on people. You got to

32:46

eat. Your kids have to eat.

32:48

Sure. Yeah. And when you're struggling

32:51

to make that happen, that

32:53

takes a toll on you mentally. You

32:55

don't feel like you're a good

32:57

father, a good parent, a

32:59

good husband. Yeah. Alicia's daughter

33:02

Zoe noticed that Chris was consistently

33:04

depressed and wasn't bouncing back like

33:06

he normally did after going through

33:08

a hard time. And

33:11

I think that's an interesting

33:13

statement because we all go through hard

33:15

time. Most of us, we

33:17

bounce back. Yeah. We're resilient.

33:20

Most people are. We get knocked down, we get

33:22

back up again. Nothing's ever going to keep

33:24

me down. But I'm

33:27

getting the picture that this guy,

33:29

Chris, wasn't as

33:32

resilient as he had been.

33:35

People around him were seeing that.

33:37

He wasn't bouncing back, struggling.

33:40

He was struggling. He was

33:42

depressed. The week before

33:44

Chris disappeared, he told Alicia he didn't

33:46

want to do this anymore. She

33:48

told him she would do anything

33:50

he needed to help him feel better,

33:53

but he couldn't say exactly what

33:55

was wrong. Alicia said communication

33:57

was not Chris's strong suit.

34:00

I get that you know i think you can

34:02

you can feel down you can feel at a

34:04

loss. What you don't know

34:06

how to fix it you don't know how to communicate that

34:08

you just know you feel this way and. You

34:10

know you can say i'm sorry i know you

34:13

want more communication from me but i don't have

34:15

it to get. I know i've

34:17

gone through a couple of times in

34:19

my life where i knew that i didn't

34:21

feel right. What there was no

34:23

way for me to put my finger on

34:25

exactly what it was and

34:27

tell my wife why no for sure

34:30

this is why. Alicia told disappeared

34:32

i felt like there was stuff on

34:34

his mind something big in his head

34:36

and he wasn't sharing in that week

34:39

weather was you know some outside force

34:41

or his own thoughts. This

34:43

day i can pinpoint what was going

34:45

on i didn't know what

34:48

to do i felt like things had

34:50

changed something had changed. I

34:52

think it's a very tough spot for her to be

34:54

in as well no doubt she

34:56

wants to help her husband. In

34:59

any way she can but it's really

35:01

hard to help someone when they

35:03

can't tell you what's wrong. Are they

35:05

you know they can't shed light on

35:07

what would help them yeah yeah

35:10

i mean if you don't know what the

35:13

problem is. Are the root of

35:15

the root you can't help

35:17

try to cure it. Alicia pointed out

35:19

that chris made plans for the future

35:21

before he disappeared he want to

35:23

clean out their basement in he

35:26

had talked about becoming a notary. And

35:28

she said chris was the type of person

35:30

who always follow through on his phone. And

35:33

why is this important well

35:36

if you're saying that he's somebody that always commit

35:38

to his plan and follows through

35:40

why would he end his life. Yeah

35:43

something we talk about quite a bit

35:45

right would someone you

35:47

know by two weeks worth of groceries

35:50

right before ending their life

35:52

possibly but i do

35:55

think it's something you have to talk about

35:57

you have to keep in mind he's.

36:00

depressed, but he's also making plans

36:02

for the future, which

36:04

would lead someone to believe

36:07

that he wasn't thinking possibly

36:10

about ending his life. If not,

36:12

why are you making all these plans? Yeah, I

36:14

think that's a really good point. But I

36:16

also think sometimes the mind is

36:19

a bizarre thing. It's

36:21

a little mysterious, and it

36:23

could be that someone makes

36:25

that kind of fateful decision

36:28

very, very quickly. Right.

36:30

After these plans are

36:32

made, you just

36:34

don't know. You don't know what activities

36:37

happened right before that would drive a decision. Another

36:40

search took place on May

36:43

29, 2022. A K-9

36:45

unit was deployed to find a

36:47

scent trail, and the search dog

36:49

picked up a trail leading away

36:52

from Chris's truck towards the highway,

36:54

but the trail ended suddenly. That's

36:57

a little twist. It does,

36:59

and I always love

37:01

when we bring the dogs in.

37:03

Unfortunately, it's in sometimes some very

37:06

sad scenarios or

37:08

stories, but we

37:10

know these dogs are amazing with

37:12

what they can do, but we

37:14

hear this quite a bit. You

37:17

have a dog who picks up a scent, but

37:20

that scent disappears, let's say,

37:22

right in the middle of

37:24

a street. Well, what

37:26

does that make people think most of

37:28

the time? And to me,

37:31

it's that maybe this

37:33

person got into a vehicle, someone

37:36

else's vehicle, and that's

37:38

why their scent disappeared where it

37:40

did. And the family wondered

37:42

this as well, whether

37:45

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37:47

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40:00

Alisha considered

40:02

the possibility that someone forced Chris out

40:05

of the house, lured him away, and

40:07

he went to try to protect his

40:09

family. And I thought the same thing. Just

40:12

when you hear him tell his son,

40:15

go to your room and then take off like that.

40:17

It seemed like there

40:19

was a sense of urgency. As

40:21

we mentioned earlier, there were no signs

40:23

of blood or violent struggle inside the

40:25

truck. But there was that one cigarette

40:27

butt. It wasn't a brand

40:29

that either Chris or Alisha smoked,

40:32

which she thought was strange.

40:35

And who wouldn't think that was strange? You

40:37

and I are not smokers, but if

40:39

I was a smoker and I found a

40:42

cigarette butt that wasn't the brand that I

40:44

smoked, I would think

40:46

that was weird because smokers,

40:48

I believe, are pretty loyal

40:50

to their brand most of

40:52

the time. Yeah. I mean, it would

40:55

definitely throw you off. Especially

40:57

when the person driving

40:59

that truck goes missing. And

41:01

there's this one cigarette butt in the

41:03

truck. And this cigarette butt is

41:06

one of the only pieces of physical evidence

41:09

in Chris's case. When asked about

41:11

people who might want to harm Chris, Alisha

41:14

recalled a disturbing incident from December,

41:16

2021. According

41:19

to her, Meph is pretty common in

41:21

their area. About six months

41:23

before Chris went missing, they

41:25

were woken up at 4am by

41:28

their dogs barking. Chris went

41:30

to the front door and saw someone

41:32

walk down the driveway and get into

41:34

a red car. He decided to

41:36

follow them and confronted at least two

41:38

individuals. He told them to stay off

41:40

his property. According to local

41:43

reporter Andrew Sheeley, those arcs have

41:45

been heavily affected by meth and

41:48

the opioid crisis. When

41:50

someone moves to the area, it's common

41:52

for criminals to check out their property,

41:55

to see if they have anything of value.

41:57

Surely want to steal it and sell it. By

42:00

meh, yeah, also makes me think of

42:02

that show the Ozarks great show great

42:05

show. I was sorry that

42:07

it ended the person who showed up

42:09

at the hoy property in the middle

42:11

of the night was likely casing the

42:13

house for a future burglary. For

42:16

the next six months according to

42:18

alicia the car regularly drove past

42:20

their house at all hours and

42:23

the driver haunted them and flip them off.

42:26

Well you know what wouldn't go well if

42:29

that was your house and that

42:31

car did that to you know

42:33

it wouldn't but here's my thought.

42:35

If you're driving by to

42:37

case for a future burglary

42:40

hunking and flipping off the owner.

42:43

Doesn't seem to be

42:45

the way to go about it you're really

42:47

drawing a lot of attention to yourself yeah

42:50

but you know some people are. Brazen

42:53

enough to do that I

42:55

guess but it doesn't

42:57

seem like what

43:00

a seasoned. Burglar

43:03

would do you're trying to

43:05

not draw any attention to

43:07

yourself not going to be running

43:10

my red car up and down the

43:12

road hunking and flipping the

43:14

owners off every day yeah not a good

43:16

thing to do. But you could look

43:18

at it is though these

43:21

people were not happy for this person

43:23

or people who are whoever was they

43:26

weren't happy that chris had caught

43:28

them had confronted. And

43:31

maybe they were sending a message of that

43:33

they weren't happy if you're chris you're

43:35

gonna be on guard yeah if i if

43:37

i caught the card for am. End

43:39

the person seemed as though they were leaving

43:41

my property and now they're racing

43:45

by every day yelling at me cussing

43:47

at me and flipping me off. My

43:50

head is gonna be on more of a

43:52

swivel than it normally even is yeah. One

43:55

day chris had enough he went to the

43:57

fence and got into a shouting match with

43:59

the driver. Alicia approached and heard

44:01

the man say, you're lucky

44:03

you have kids here, otherwise

44:06

I'd burn your house down. That's

44:08

a pretty big threat. Yeah, the

44:10

cussing, the flipping off is one

44:12

thing. But this I'd burn

44:15

your house down, that is a

44:17

direct threat. You know, words

44:19

and gestures, okay, nobody likes

44:21

that kind of stuff. It would irk

44:23

you, but I don't think

44:26

it would make you fear for your safety

44:28

the same way it would as if somebody

44:30

said, you know, I'd burn your house

44:32

down. But after this incident, the

44:34

harassment stopped. Police were

44:36

not sure how or if

44:38

this situation was connected to

44:40

Chris's disappearance. Yeah, I mean, it's not

44:43

a good situation, but is it related to

44:45

what happened? Well, yeah, there's

44:47

no way to know. I think you

44:49

would have to investigate it though, right?

44:52

It's a strange incident. There

44:54

was a threat made. There was

44:57

some harassment. Blake Potter,

44:59

Zoe's fiance told Disappeared, he didn't

45:01

think Chris was forced to leave

45:04

because Chris would have fought back to

45:06

protect his family. Chris owned multiple

45:08

guns and was prepared to

45:11

defend his property. On June 2nd,

45:13

2022, a detective called Alicia and

45:16

informed her that the mother of Chris's

45:18

first two children wanted to pick

45:20

the kids up. Alicia was surprised

45:23

because she hadn't seen the children

45:25

for well over a year. That

45:27

would be surprising, man. That all of

45:29

a sudden she wants to come get her kids?

45:32

In March, 2020, when the family was

45:34

still living in Illinois, Chris's acts

45:37

wanted to see the kids, but she told

45:39

Chris she had moved in with a new

45:41

boyfriend. Chris wanted to know more

45:43

about this man before he let her take

45:45

the kids, but she refused to tell Chris

45:48

his last name. Chris would not

45:50

allow her to have her scheduled visitation

45:53

until she told him the man's name. She

45:55

finally did tell him five months

45:57

later. Okay, now we have a question.

46:00

a new wrinkle. Sure. To

46:02

me, this is strange

46:04

because if you really want to

46:06

see your kids, what is

46:08

preventing you from telling your ex the

46:10

name of the man you're living with?

46:13

Is it because he might have a past with

46:15

Chris or maybe some type of

46:17

past with law enforcement? Yeah, I think

46:20

those are a couple of possibilities, but obviously

46:22

there was something there because

46:24

if you really want to see your

46:26

kids, you don't wait five months

46:30

to give a last name, to give the name. Chris

46:32

pointed out that she hadn't seen her kids in months

46:34

and that it wasn't good for the kids for her

46:37

to be in and out of their lives. Chris

46:39

told her she would have to take him to

46:41

court if she wanted visitation, but she

46:43

never did. And she never tried to

46:45

see the kids again. Yeah, but with

46:47

Chris out of the pictures, things are going to change now. Well,

46:50

and I think that's a speculation

46:53

or an avenue that

46:56

you definitely have to look at.

46:58

I'm not accusing anybody

47:00

of anything, but I mean,

47:02

that's what we have to do in some of these

47:04

unsolved cases, right? We don't have a lot to go

47:07

on. So you really have to

47:09

dissect what you do have. Could

47:12

it be that she didn't

47:14

want to take Chris to court, but

47:16

she really did want the kid and

47:18

that getting Chris out

47:21

of the way would make that

47:23

happen. It's a question that has

47:25

to be asked. It's something that has to

47:27

be looked into. Chris's ex girlfriend

47:29

called Alicia and informed her that she was

47:31

coming to pick up the kids the next

47:34

morning. Alicia pleaded with her

47:36

not to telling her she'd be taking

47:38

them away from the life they knew

47:41

after they just lost their father. But

47:43

Chris's ex could not be deterred. When

47:45

Alicia told the kids they had to leave, they

47:48

screamed at her not to make them go. But

47:51

Alicia didn't have a choice. The

47:53

children cried when she gave them to

47:55

Chris's ex girlfriend. The next morning, Chris's

47:58

family was suspicious. I

48:00

was ex girlfriend because they hadn't told

48:02

her that chris was missing when

48:05

alicia asked her how she found out

48:07

she wouldn't tell her. Okay

48:09

so that's another level of suspicion

48:11

yeah i think it adds a

48:13

new wrinkle because, why

48:16

all of a sudden if you

48:18

know nothing about the fact that chris

48:20

is missing do you want to come

48:22

pick up the kid and when

48:24

you call, why are you

48:26

not asking to speak to chris i

48:29

kinda had that thought as well is

48:31

it because you knew that wasn't

48:33

a possibility. Alicia did

48:35

some digging on facebook and learn

48:37

that the woman was in missouri

48:39

the weekend chris disappeared staying just

48:41

an hour away from the family's

48:44

home. Okay find that

48:46

little strange yeah there are some things

48:48

that are adding up here that that

48:51

obviously don't. Make this situation

48:53

look great. Yeah

48:55

i can see where maybe chris is at the

48:58

door looks out sees his ex

49:00

and turns to their son and

49:02

says hey go to your room. Angelina

49:05

you know run out the

49:07

door to go confront her i

49:10

can see that happen and play what are you doing here

49:12

on my property you're

49:14

not getting our son. That could happen

49:16

yeah i can see that as well.

49:19

So no doubt alicia thought that this

49:21

was a strange coincidence right the fact

49:23

that she was in missouri. And

49:26

she was very suspicious of chris

49:28

is acts as well additionally the

49:31

detective alicia was working with told

49:33

her that beyond the initial contact

49:35

chris is x was refusing to

49:37

answer his phone call. Okay

49:40

does that mean someone's guilty no

49:42

does it make him look great no

49:45

no it doesn't know. I

49:47

mean one point she was in a relationship with

49:49

chris they had a child together wouldn't

49:52

you want to try to be

49:54

cooperative. Yeah the detective called

49:56

you and said hey your ex

49:58

is missing the phone. father of

50:00

your child, your children, whatever is

50:03

missing. This is a person who

50:06

obviously at one point you love.

50:08

Now maybe that love is gone,

50:10

but still there's got to

50:13

be a special place, right? It

50:15

may be down really, really deep, but

50:18

you think you would want to

50:20

at the very least help

50:23

the police. So when people

50:25

don't, warranted or not,

50:27

it makes them look suspicious to a

50:29

lot of people. It's important

50:31

to note that no one has ever

50:33

been named as a person of interest

50:35

in Chris's case. And that

50:38

doesn't surprise me just because

50:40

I think there's so very

50:42

little to go on here. You know, everything

50:45

we've talked about has been

50:48

circumstantial. Sure. Now if

50:51

they had DNA from

50:53

the cigarette but because that really

50:56

is, like we said, the only physical

50:58

piece of evidence in this case, it

51:01

still wouldn't prove anything, but it

51:03

might lead in

51:06

a better direction. But

51:08

the rest of the stuff is all either

51:10

a weird coincidence or

51:12

could mean something. But at the

51:14

very least you'd have to say

51:16

it's all circumstantial. Now

51:19

another possibility is that Chris left

51:21

home to start a new life.

51:23

Something that comes up in

51:26

many unsolved cases, the

51:28

cigarette butt in the truck suggests

51:30

that someone else was there.

51:33

So investigators wondered if Chris

51:35

had a secret relationship. Alicia

51:38

went through his Facebook and email. She

51:41

was shocked when she saw that

51:43

all his emails before May 19th had

51:46

been deleted. This was Chris's

51:48

primary email account and

51:50

he'd never done anything like this

51:52

before. I mean, that again, just adds

51:55

another layer of mystery. Yeah,

51:58

it does because, you know, I think

52:00

about my daily routine.

52:04

I have thousands of emails in

52:06

my personal account. I don't go through and delete

52:08

them all. Now I may do

52:10

cleanup every now and then, but

52:13

if somebody got on my

52:15

email account and they knew

52:17

that I'd never really deleted much in the

52:19

way of emails, but all of

52:22

my emails from

52:24

right before I went missing were deleted, that's

52:27

gonna be a big red flag. Yeah, definitely

52:29

would be really strange, especially in your

52:31

case, because I know when I go into

52:33

your email, like you said, there's thousands

52:35

of them in there and I've

52:38

never been in your email where you've not

52:40

had any emails, like you

52:42

deleted them. No, it just would never happen.

52:45

Once again, please uninstall the

52:47

spyware that allows you to get into

52:49

my computer. I've

52:52

told you this many, many times. It

52:54

was said that Chris didn't delete anything else

52:57

on his phone. He didn't delete text

53:00

messages or Facebook messages. It

53:02

was just the emails. And police

53:05

told the family that they could not

53:07

retrieve the deleted email.

53:09

So again, when you're talking about things that

53:11

are strange, you gotta put that

53:14

on the list because I think

53:16

it makes people wonder, was there

53:19

an email or maybe a series

53:22

of emails, an email chain

53:24

that shed light on

53:28

someone Chris was having either

53:30

a problem with or

53:32

a secret relationship with?

53:35

Or your previous partner

53:38

knew how to get into your email account

53:41

and knew that there was some messages,

53:43

emails in there that didn't

53:46

look good. Or would possibly

53:48

be incriminating? Yeah, I get that. Alicia

53:51

did not believe that Chris would have an

53:53

affair because all his

53:55

prior relationships ended with Chris's

53:57

partner cheating on him. how

54:00

painful it can be to find out

54:02

your partner is cheating. So he most

54:04

likely would not do this to Alicia.

54:07

Plus, Alicia said she and Chris

54:09

were still deeply in love with

54:11

each other and we're happy together

54:14

despite Chris's recent depression. And

54:16

I get all of that. I mean,

54:18

I don't think most people

54:21

believe that their partner is going

54:23

to cheat on them. If

54:25

they find out that they are,

54:28

most times it comes as a shock because

54:30

you're like, I can't believe I never thought you

54:32

would do that to me. Right. Never

54:34

saw that coming. Ashley Madison. Yeah,

54:37

it felt bad for you when that

54:39

hack occurred. It really disclosed

54:42

a lot of information. It

54:44

did for a lot of people and

54:46

you specifically know. The

54:49

remaining months of 2022 passed with

54:52

no updates in the case. In

54:54

early 2023, Alicia's daughter

54:56

Zoe and her fiance

54:58

Blake Potter moved to Missouri. In

55:01

March 2023, Blake went

55:03

to a job interview in Lebanon,

55:05

Missouri, about 50 miles from

55:07

Dixon on his way home. He

55:10

was driving in the left lane and

55:12

saw a man driving a truck in the right lane.

55:15

Blake looked again and saw that the driver

55:17

looked just like Chris. He said

55:19

even his mannerisms were the same.

55:22

By the time Blake made the connection,

55:24

he was taking an exit and the

55:26

man was pulling into a gas station.

55:29

He did not try to go back and

55:31

speak to the man. And he

55:33

later told, disappeared that he

55:35

regrets this decision because he might've missed

55:37

a chance to find Chris. He

55:40

said he stops at the gas station every

55:42

evening on the way home from work, hoping

55:44

to see the man in the truck, but

55:46

he's never seen him again. A

55:48

few weeks after this sighting, Alicia visited

55:50

her local feed store. The woman

55:52

working that day said a

55:55

customer recently came in and told her

55:57

he thought he saw Chris in Lebanon,

55:59

Missouri. This was the second

56:01

alleged sighting in Lebanon and

56:04

both sightings occurred within weeks of each

56:06

other. It's a little strange. I

56:08

mean, maybe he's got a doppelganger, but.

56:10

Yeah, and that's the thing. You know,

56:13

you're in a moving vehicle. You look over

56:15

from the left lane to the right lane.

56:19

Things are happening pretty quickly. You see

56:21

someone. How sure are you?

56:23

And maybe you're missing that person and, you

56:25

know, a lot of things might appear

56:28

to be him. Well, sometimes you might

56:30

see what you want to see, if

56:32

that makes sense. And I'm thinking if I

56:35

wanted to disappear, I don't know if I

56:37

would just go 50 miles up the

56:39

road. Yeah, I think we talked

56:41

about that in another case, but

56:43

it actually turned out to be true. If

56:46

you remember that one, the guy left

56:48

to start a new life and it was like,

56:51

I think, less than an hour away from where

56:53

he up and left his family.

56:55

So, I mean, the one thing

56:57

that you can do is completely take it

56:59

off the table. No, you can't. The

57:26

South Dakota stories, volume seven. My trip to South Dakota

57:28

was the best summer ever. Now

57:38

I don't need to go to

57:41

Mars because I've been to the

57:43

badlands and I caught a bigger

57:45

walleye than dad when we went to the Missouri

57:47

River. Then I rode my bike

57:49

through these huge rocks called needles. Oh,

57:52

I also saw my first herd of

57:54

bison, even a fuzzy furry baby one. I

57:56

can't wait to go back and see more.

57:58

There's so much more. much South Dakota,

58:01

so little time. Chris's

58:04

family wondered if he was still alive

58:06

and well, but they questioned why he

58:09

would start a new life somewhere so

58:11

close to home. I mean, again, things

58:13

that, you know, we just talked about. Alicia

58:16

called the detective to ask him to

58:18

look into the sightings. The

58:20

detective was non-committal and said

58:22

it would be difficult to

58:24

find someone without identifying information.

58:27

Alicia was very reluctant to

58:29

believe Chris left willingly. They

58:31

had a strong marriage, but even if

58:33

they were having problems, she knows Chris

58:36

wouldn't have abandoned his children. He

58:38

loved being a father. And

58:40

I do think that's something you have to look at.

58:43

If he would not have just been

58:45

leaving her, he would have

58:47

been leaving his children as well. Not

58:49

to say that the guys haven't done it

58:51

or women, they have done it. They have.

58:54

I think it just would be hard in this case,

58:56

knowing that they were kind of struggling

58:58

already. And then you have this individual

59:01

in the red car driving by causing

59:04

some issues. Would you want to leave your

59:06

family knowing that they're going to struggle

59:09

more without you being there and

59:12

not be there to help protect them? Meanwhile,

59:14

you're going to drive 50 miles up the

59:16

road and camp out. I don't know. Well,

59:19

to be honest with you, it's, it's never,

59:21

you know, my first choice, usually, you know,

59:23

not even my second choice when it comes

59:25

to the possibility. Yeah. Even

59:28

though we've seen that it sometimes

59:30

turns out to be true. In

59:32

the spring of 2023, it was reported that over 100 missing people in

59:35

Missouri were

59:38

not added to the national

59:41

missing and unidentified person

59:43

system database. NamUs. NamUs

59:46

is funded by the federal government. Law

59:49

enforcement, medical examiners, and the

59:51

public are able to access

59:53

information about missing people. NamUs

59:55

is a critical resource because it

59:58

stores important information like. DNA,

1:00:00

dental records, and fingerprints. Only

1:00:03

13 states require law enforcement to

1:00:06

upload cases to NamUs, which means

1:00:08

many missing person cases are not

1:00:11

in the database. Missouri is

1:00:13

one of the states that does not

1:00:15

require police to upload cases. I

1:00:18

think that's a shame. Yeah, it

1:00:20

doesn't make a lot

1:00:22

of sense to me. You have this

1:00:24

valuable tool. I get it.

1:00:26

You can make the argument whether or not

1:00:28

it should be required, but even

1:00:30

if it's not required, why would you not

1:00:33

want to enter all these in there? Right.

1:00:35

You're missing the opportunity of this

1:00:39

really valuable tool doing its job.

1:00:41

Yeah, take advantage of the resources.

1:00:44

Local news outlet KY3 informed

1:00:46

Alicia that Chris was one

1:00:48

of the individuals whose information

1:00:50

was not uploaded to NamUs.

1:00:52

Alicia submitted his information, and

1:00:55

now Chris has a page on the

1:00:57

NamUs website. By the end of

1:00:59

last year, advocates were proposing

1:01:01

a new state law that could help

1:01:03

fix this problem. Missouri State

1:01:06

Representative Tricia Burns told First Alert

1:01:08

4, I'm just really shocked

1:01:10

that we have this free resource

1:01:13

to find out that law enforcement

1:01:15

across Missouri doesn't know

1:01:17

that it exists. This is so

1:01:19

traumatic and hits everyone's heart. It's

1:01:22

going to be Missourians that will pull

1:01:24

the timeline on this right. I

1:01:27

think she's echoing what we just said. Why

1:01:29

would you not want to use this

1:01:32

thing? She's

1:01:34

going as far as to say that

1:01:37

there's a lot of law enforcement people that

1:01:39

don't even know it exists, which is,

1:01:41

for me, hard to believe. Well, it

1:01:43

also goes to the heart of the

1:01:45

problem, though. If it's not a requirement,

1:01:48

I ask the question, why wouldn't you want to

1:01:50

use it anyway? If you don't

1:01:52

know about it, you don't know to use it. But

1:01:55

I agree with you. It's kind of hard to believe that

1:01:58

law enforcement person. and I don't know

1:02:00

about it, Burns prefiled legislation

1:02:03

that would require the police

1:02:05

to enter case information into

1:02:07

Davis. A year after Chris went

1:02:10

missing, his family spoke about what they think

1:02:12

happened to him. Blake Potter does

1:02:14

not believe Chris was forced to leave

1:02:16

his family. Zoe told

1:02:18

Disappeared, the only possibility

1:02:20

she refuses to believe is

1:02:22

suicide. She thinks foul play

1:02:25

is a possibility, but acknowledged that Chris

1:02:27

might have had a mental breakdown and

1:02:29

left because he needed a break. However,

1:02:31

she does believe he intended on

1:02:34

coming back at some point. So

1:02:36

we have Blake, who thought he saw Chris

1:02:38

in the car. Right, in Lebanon. And I'm

1:02:41

sure that goes a long way in

1:02:43

forming his opinion about what happened to

1:02:45

Chris, because I think he truly believes

1:02:47

he saw him. And if he

1:02:49

really felt like that, then of course that's gonna

1:02:52

be his belief, right? He's

1:02:54

alive, he's hanging out in this other town,

1:02:57

nothing bad happened to him. And then

1:02:59

you have Zoe who says, no

1:03:01

way on suicide, possibly

1:03:04

foul play, but also possibly, you

1:03:06

know, he just left because

1:03:08

he had maybe some sort of mental

1:03:10

breakdown. Alicia told KY3 in 2023,

1:03:15

I don't think he was suicidal. I don't

1:03:17

think he killed himself, but I don't

1:03:19

know. And that not knowing is

1:03:22

what was killing me. Absolutely.

1:03:24

And we've heard that many, many times.

1:03:28

Finding out the end result can

1:03:31

often be very traumatic, but

1:03:33

we've heard from people time and time again that

1:03:36

the years of just not knowing

1:03:38

what happened is sometimes the

1:03:41

hardest part. In that same

1:03:43

article, she was quoted as saying, I feel like

1:03:45

he's alive. And then if more

1:03:47

people knew he was missing, it would bring

1:03:49

him home. Detective Paul Morton

1:03:52

also shared his opinion on the

1:03:54

case saying eventually he should

1:03:56

pop up somewhere. At this point,

1:03:59

we don't have any. reason to believe

1:04:01

otherwise, so he should be showing up here

1:04:03

soon. Morton noted

1:04:05

that Chris lived in several states and

1:04:07

has contacts throughout the region. In

1:04:10

October 2023, Alicia Hoy

1:04:12

organized a fundraiser on

1:04:14

GoFundMe to raise money

1:04:16

for a private investigator.

1:04:19

This page is still active. Part

1:04:21

of the page reads, Chris always put

1:04:23

others' needs before his own, and

1:04:26

he did his absolute best to

1:04:28

make sure his family had everything

1:04:30

we needed. So we're channeling our

1:04:32

grief and agony into finding

1:04:34

Chris. Local law enforcement

1:04:36

has not done much to find Chris.

1:04:39

There are things that could and should

1:04:41

have been done early on in the

1:04:43

investigation but weren't. They seem to

1:04:46

want to believe Chris left voluntarily, but we

1:04:48

know him, and this is not the case.

1:04:51

However, Hoy is still classified as

1:04:54

a missing person. Two years after

1:04:56

he disappeared, Chris has brown

1:04:58

hair and hazel eyes. He

1:05:01

stands 5'6", 5'7", and he weighed around 175

1:05:03

pounds. At

1:05:06

the time of his disappearance, he had

1:05:09

a thick, dark brown beard and mustache.

1:05:11

Chris has scars above his left eyebrow,

1:05:14

on his right knee, on both

1:05:16

forearms, and on his hands and

1:05:18

knuckles. He normally wore

1:05:21

wire-frame glasses with thick lenses

1:05:23

and a black wedding ring. He

1:05:26

was last seen wearing a light

1:05:28

t-shirt, dark gym shorts, either blue,

1:05:30

gray, or black, white

1:05:32

calf-link socks, black sneakers, and a

1:05:34

black ball cap. If

1:05:37

you have any information about the

1:05:39

disappearance of Christopher Hoy, you

1:05:41

can call the Pulaski County Sheriff's Department

1:05:44

at 573-774-4701. So

1:05:50

Gibbs, as we wrap up this case,

1:05:53

I do think we kind of have to

1:05:55

walk through the potential scenario.

1:05:58

Sure. And we talked about... Some

1:06:00

of them but really kind of just

1:06:02

summarize the case number

1:06:05

one you know the possibility

1:06:07

that that this was a suicide

1:06:10

and keep in mind i think all of these

1:06:12

are possible but you look at. I

1:06:15

guess the the pros and cons

1:06:17

of each or the the

1:06:20

plausibility meter of each he

1:06:23

did park on a bridge he

1:06:25

could have jumped into the water. Good

1:06:27

open his body could went much further

1:06:29

than what they thought yeah the drag

1:06:31

for five miles we have no idea

1:06:33

how far that current could

1:06:35

or would have taken his body.

1:06:38

Any was depressed me i don't think

1:06:40

there's any doubt about that everybody

1:06:43

acknowledged he was depressed he

1:06:45

at one point somebody said

1:06:47

he was ashamed of kind of

1:06:49

where. Is life was at

1:06:51

that point time i get that those

1:06:53

are all valid emotions but i

1:06:56

think to your point that you

1:06:58

made earlier. Would he have

1:07:01

left his family behind in

1:07:03

an even worse situation than

1:07:06

what they were it i don't know i

1:07:08

don't know what we're not gonna be able

1:07:10

to say conclusively. Much

1:07:12

of anything about any of these

1:07:15

scenarios because they're just isn't

1:07:17

enough evidence to really put

1:07:19

your finger on anything yeah

1:07:21

i think you have no. Some

1:07:24

type of foul play that has

1:07:26

to be one of the scenarios yeah i

1:07:28

mean if you're looking at things that

1:07:30

could have happened. Why

1:07:33

did he run out so quickly why

1:07:35

did he jump in his truck drive

1:07:37

to where he did was it

1:07:39

to meet someone going

1:07:41

back to. This strange

1:07:43

cigarette but in the truck with

1:07:46

somebody sitting in the truck he was

1:07:48

talking to them they were smoking

1:07:50

a cigarette they put it out in

1:07:52

this truck. Did something happen

1:07:54

before then and that individual

1:07:57

drove his truck to the bridge

1:07:59

make it look. look like. That's a great point.

1:08:02

Great point. I do think, you know,

1:08:04

all of this stuff with his acts is strange.

1:08:08

And I'll, I'll take it a step

1:08:10

further and say it's either some of the weirdest

1:08:14

coincidences or there's

1:08:16

something more to it. I

1:08:18

just don't know. I just thought all of that

1:08:21

was bizarre. Yeah. I agree with you.

1:08:23

Obviously we can't say that anybody had anything

1:08:25

to do with anything. I just really

1:08:28

thought all of that was strange. If

1:08:30

she really had not been told

1:08:33

that he was missing and

1:08:35

all of a sudden calls up and says,

1:08:37

Hey, I'm coming to get the kids. Yeah.

1:08:40

And if it is a fact

1:08:42

that she was in the area

1:08:44

when he disappeared, a lot

1:08:47

of that stuff, if true,

1:08:49

kind of shifts my plausibility meter, as

1:08:51

I say. And it had

1:08:54

a twist to that one. Maybe he emailed her and

1:08:56

said, Hey, come get your kids. Something's

1:08:58

going to go down here in a week and

1:09:00

then deleted all his emails. Okay.

1:09:03

I liked the fact that you're, you're

1:09:06

putting spins on some

1:09:08

of the scenario and

1:09:10

kind of interweaving some

1:09:13

of the scenarios. I liked that. Spin

1:09:15

master. And then I think the third

1:09:18

and last one is that

1:09:20

everything that was going on was too much for

1:09:23

him. And he just

1:09:25

decided that he couldn't deal

1:09:27

with it anymore. And he took

1:09:29

off to live a different

1:09:32

life. Again, that's never the most

1:09:35

plausible scenario to me,

1:09:37

but we've seen it happen.

1:09:39

It definitely could happen and it could have happened

1:09:41

in this case. He could have said, you know

1:09:43

what, they're better off without me. I'm

1:09:45

going to go. I don't know what I'm

1:09:47

going to do with anything, but I'm not going to stay

1:09:50

here anymore and bring them down. Maybe

1:09:53

she'll find somebody different, somebody new and good

1:09:56

for them. And I'll go do something. But

1:09:58

How does that happen? Drives his truck

1:10:00

to the bridge. He. Has somebody

1:10:03

some good him. And. That's

1:10:05

why the dogs. Has. The

1:10:07

sent from his truck. In.

1:10:09

Only disappears in the road because he

1:10:12

hops in with somebody else. It may

1:10:14

be the did the plan was always

1:10:16

to or. Me: At the bridge

1:10:18

at. Whatever. Time of day. And

1:10:20

I'll take you on to the next town

1:10:22

city, whatever. And maybe that goes with the

1:10:25

emails in the parking of the truck on

1:10:27

the bridge to make it look like. He.

1:10:29

Had jumped. Guess you can

1:10:31

enter. We've some of the staffed.

1:10:34

Throughout all those all of the scenarios and if

1:10:37

you're gonna start a new life, you would need

1:10:39

your wallet so that's why you would leave it

1:10:41

behind. Wallet. Phone, You wouldn't

1:10:43

want any of that now. So. I

1:10:46

don't know. It's a real

1:10:48

head scratcher again. This one

1:10:51

is relatively new. This. Year.

1:10:53

He just disappeared a couple of years ago,

1:10:55

so. Hopefully there will

1:10:57

be more that. Comes. Thought.

1:11:00

About. What happened? Or. Christopher.

1:11:03

Hoy but will have to wait and see. And

1:11:05

come on are you states out there that's not

1:11:07

use name is? Yeah. definitely. we've got. we've got

1:11:09

to get on their get on board. But.

1:11:12

That's as far absurd. On the

1:11:14

disappearance of Christopher Hoist that's voicemail

1:11:16

gives you a check those out

1:11:18

always. A light and

1:11:20

might just as into the him in

1:11:22

the Cave an episode and I think

1:11:24

a voice know a guy be one

1:11:26

as hands down the single most upsetting

1:11:29

things are you've ever put on the

1:11:31

podcast and the Nine One one thousand

1:11:33

dollars in stimulus insurance I'm actually heard

1:11:35

Making The Sun was definitely the sketch

1:11:38

Dying Breath. And so the

1:11:40

guttural noises the hear the is

1:11:42

coming in the movies As someone

1:11:44

who's controlling air. to

1:11:47

be manually strangulated because there's been some

1:11:49

had a trauma in his blood excluding

1:11:52

the airway or what it is then

1:11:54

chest trauma in excess is filling up

1:11:56

with blood and soil at those are

1:11:58

definitely the sounds of someone dying. I've

1:12:02

been a physician for 20 years and that's

1:12:05

pretty unmistakable. My husband has

1:12:07

been an EMT for longer and we

1:12:09

both agree. He didn't even listen to a

1:12:12

voice still. So I don't know how

1:12:15

anybody can think that would be an accidental

1:12:17

death, especially because you don't hear

1:12:19

any flashing noises to indicate that he was

1:12:22

accidentally drowning and

1:12:24

the phone wasn't found at the bottom of the lake. Anyway,

1:12:28

really interesting episode

1:12:30

and I'm so

1:12:37

glad you guys did not recognize what those noises were. Stay

1:12:39

safe and keep your own time ticking.

1:12:43

Yeah, so appreciate the voicemail and calling in

1:12:45

with your experience. I mean, I

1:12:47

understand how that

1:12:50

could be that. Sure. I mean, obviously

1:12:52

you and I have never heard those

1:12:54

sounds. No. And so they

1:12:57

were just brutal. I mean,

1:12:59

I knew that whatever was going on was

1:13:01

not good. Right. But

1:13:05

exactly what the sounds were, I didn't

1:13:08

know. Yeah. Hi, my

1:13:10

name is Jenna and I am

1:13:12

in the auto.

1:13:15

I've called it two times and

1:13:18

I just finished listening to

1:13:20

the Unsolved episode on

1:13:25

Henry and the Cave

1:13:27

and I heard the

1:13:29

lady call about the motorcycle and she made me bring

1:13:33

back the memory that I had lost

1:13:36

in my brain. My dad always

1:13:39

wanted a holiday and my

1:13:43

mom did not and

1:13:46

my dad and I ended up driving from Denver to Cudilia, New Guinea.

1:13:48

It was a

1:13:52

long weekend so we drove all the

1:13:55

way out there. A simple motorcycle came

1:13:57

home. My mom She's

1:14:00

not going to ride on the back of

1:14:02

the bike, so our cross street neighbor did.

1:14:05

And of course, that made my mother jealous.

1:14:08

So she got on

1:14:10

the back of my dad's bike and

1:14:12

they went for a rider on the block. And

1:14:15

she said, I'm never

1:14:17

getting in the back of the bike with you again.

1:14:20

I want my own. So I just

1:14:22

brought up a memory, my parents have

1:14:24

been gone. My dad died

1:14:27

in 2010 and my mom into 2020. So

1:14:30

we just brought back a really good

1:14:32

memory. And I just

1:14:34

wanted to share that with you

1:14:36

guys. So I hope you are

1:14:39

doing well. I am team, team

1:14:41

Cap, T-cat and I love you

1:14:43

both. You're fully and

1:14:46

I hope that you keep your

1:14:48

own time taken and

1:14:51

keep your head down. And

1:14:53

I will continue to listen. Thank you so much.

1:14:55

I hope you guys have a great day. Bye.

1:14:58

Oh, thank you. So glad you called in and

1:15:00

I don't know, kind of a

1:15:03

little heartwarming. Yeah. That it brought

1:15:05

back that memory that she hadn't thought about

1:15:07

in a while. You had a similar story

1:15:10

with, you know, with you and your wife

1:15:12

and your scooters or Vespas.

1:15:14

Yeah. No, we

1:15:16

never had Vespas. I did have a Harley

1:15:19

and, but I, you know, I will say

1:15:21

there are a lot of people who are

1:15:23

afraid to ride on motorcycles and for good

1:15:25

reason. They obviously can be very dangerous, but

1:15:27

when you do ride one,

1:15:30

drive one, there's no feeling

1:15:33

like it. The

1:15:35

exhilaration, the, I

1:15:37

don't know. There's just something

1:15:39

about it. For sure. I just know I

1:15:41

didn't enjoy riding behind you. And

1:15:45

I got the worst end of the deal. So

1:15:48

I don't know what you're talking about. All

1:15:50

right. That is it for another episode of

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