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get into this episode of true crime all

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the time and saw i'm writing man that's

3:30

the case that we'd have on our list

3:33

for a long time we're talking

3:35

about the disappearance and presumed

3:37

murder of crystal rogers

3:40

it was in mid two thousand and fifteen

3:43

that crystal disappeared from bardstown

3:46

kentucky in nelson county about

3:48

forty miles south of louisville

3:51

or who was fill or lewisville as you

3:53

like to say the mother of

3:55

fun lived with her boyfriend

3:57

the last or crystal before going

4:00

the back that when he woke up in

4:02

the morning he was gone the

4:04

was her car no one came

4:06

forward with any information about

4:08

what happened to crystal there was

4:10

little to suggest if

4:13

she had been abducted let

4:15

alone who may have

4:17

been responsible what winner

4:19

car the containing her belongings

4:21

was located the couple days after she went

4:23

missing concerns began

4:26

to grow for her well for

4:28

the gibbs is something that you see and

4:30

a lot of unsolved cases sure

4:33

you know when someone

4:35

has not been heard from though

4:37

is presumed to maybe have

4:40

gone missing okay

4:42

there's always that point where it's a little

4:44

up in the air raids they

4:47

make the decision to head down to the

4:49

casino for a few days or

4:52

is there something rule he nefarious

4:55

that the kind of happens the here you

4:57

have a mother far right and as a you

5:00

have to take that into account right off

5:02

the bat you what mother

5:04

of five is going to it

5:07

just kind of take off leave

5:09

her children not let anyone

5:11

know

5:12

that just doesn't seem right no doesn't

5:15

it and we know that certainly can

5:17

be bought though that can lead their kids serve

5:20

in there are five ever likely

5:22

it's unlikely and i think it's not

5:24

the first thing that you would gravitate

5:27

towards and then you have the point

5:29

where the car is bad and

5:32

then he had to me that's kind of a different

5:35

the point in

5:37

the store surely snooze year in the story

5:39

is moving along because okay

5:42

now it's even less like that

5:45

a person just decided

5:47

to can have go off and do

5:49

something on their own maybe

5:51

be a little bit selfish my call

5:53

it than raise your i want to do something

5:56

i'm not telling any body well

5:58

now the signs are really pointing

6:00

away from that her when that

6:02

cars found all love

6:04

her personal belongings are in theirs is

6:07

it takes a different narrative yeah and

6:09

i think it takes a much

6:11

more ominous i'm

6:13

sure does a few months after

6:16

a crystal disappear police identified

6:18

her boyfriend as their prime suspect

6:21

the i think that's very natural we see that

6:24

in a ton of cases glad

6:26

the investigation moved pretty slow

6:28

the first the police treated the case

6:31

as a runaway again something

6:33

we often see in these unsolved cases

6:36

and it frustrated crystal

6:38

spam and had to write a mean you're thinking

6:41

why are we even looking at it as a runaway

6:43

still because as we just talked

6:46

about right the signs don't really think

6:48

to runaway bride the

6:50

war you last of

6:53

her own volition five

6:55

kids no car

6:58

okay not seeing you

7:00

just took off on a joy ride

7:04

went to go see somebody but i'll be

7:06

back i agree it

7:08

later became apparent that local law

7:10

enforcement was under resourced when

7:13

it came to expanding the investigation

7:16

it was really crystals form the

7:18

took on a lion's share of the leg

7:20

work in the initial stage

7:23

what her family was dealt a devastating blow

7:26

when one of the main activists

7:28

searching for her we shot

7:31

and killed the under mysterious

7:33

circumstances less than eighteen

7:35

months after a crystal

7:37

disappear then i've been gives a lot

7:39

of people believe that these two cases

7:41

are linked the and connected

7:44

along with three other murders committed

7:46

in bardstown within the

7:49

span of about are you noticed as noticed as

7:51

years absolutely there's a lot of buzz about

7:53

that crystals body has not

7:55

been found according to current

7:57

news reports local state

8:00

the national law enforcement are

8:02

getting closer the making

8:04

an arrest in the matter of crystals

8:06

disappearance and presumed murder

8:09

it's largely because of crystal

8:11

stay in fact that the case

8:13

remains in the public eye they

8:15

do a really good job of keeping the

8:18

awareness after but that's exciting

8:21

right the almost hate to use the word

8:23

exciting race when you're talking

8:25

about an unsolved case

8:27

of disappearance a mother

8:29

of five who i think

8:31

most people believe at this

8:34

point is no longer alive

8:36

what the prospect the

8:39

police closing year and one

8:42

exactly what happened and may

8:44

be an arrest the me that is

8:46

a it it's it's a good that yeah

8:48

i'll put it that way sir right so

8:50

let's start our deep dive into this case

8:53

thirty five year old crystal murray rodgers

8:56

was a loving and committed mother to

8:58

five children born in

9:00

may nineteen eighty two tommy and

9:02

sherry ballard she was the oldest

9:04

of three kids crystal married

9:06

yeah and had two children

9:10

rom her first marriage then

9:12

when she was entertaining the married

9:14

again in had two children

9:16

with her second husband but that

9:18

second marriage didn't last in

9:21

the couple separated crystal moved

9:23

into a rental property and bardstown

9:26

which was managed by a local man

9:28

named brooks how works

9:30

had a career in residential real estate

9:32

development and own day construction

9:35

company and the pair

9:37

of actually began date the this

9:39

guy has a lot in common with you gives

9:41

you had a career in residential

9:44

will say development i did you

9:46

are also part owner of a construction

9:48

company i was its ears

9:51

how many similarities

9:53

you share with a lot of the people

9:55

that we talk about in these cases

9:58

part of that is just because had

10:00

such a forest gump

10:02

tight life is life think

10:05

i mean you've done so many things you've

10:07

been so many different places have

10:09

you know you know you across the country i've

10:12

done all that i did i made that

10:14

smiley face t shirt the

10:16

bumper stickers it's been a good

10:18

life man it's been an interesting

10:20

one for sure yeah by two

10:23

thousand and fifteen crystal was

10:25

living with brooks and bardstown by

10:27

this point in time the couple had a two

10:30

year old son together works

10:32

mother rosemary own the two hundred

10:34

and fifty acre farm where are the

10:36

couples spend time with the kids everyone

10:39

who knew chris knew that she

10:41

was a dedicated mom then

10:43

someone who was always there for her friends

10:46

but they get the same time everybody

10:49

can he came out later and said you

10:51

this relationship that she had

10:53

with brooks yeah for we had

10:56

it's ups and downs having

10:58

a lot of couples have ups and downs

11:01

so you know i think any

11:03

relationship when people

11:05

are honest with themselves the

11:07

who has ever had a relationship

11:10

that has just been the

11:12

ops the guy does see

11:14

a besides mean you yeah because that's

11:16

how we are yes in

11:18

all seriousness the marriage

11:21

dating you know unless you're

11:23

in the first couple of weeks okay

11:25

so maybe that's all love but eventually

11:28

there's going to be a fight is going

11:30

to be a disagreement then

11:33

there's going to be some loans

11:36

in any relationship as really are you define

11:38

early shipwright how to get through

11:40

those love sure because the highs

11:43

are easy there's no problem traversing

11:46

the high road it is when

11:48

you hit a rough patch

11:51

a rocky passers a little bit of adversity

11:54

how do you deal with that and yet through i

11:56

think you're exactly right on the

11:58

evening of july second two thousand

12:00

and fifteen christos at home with

12:02

brooks and three of the kids including

12:04

their young son that they had together according

12:07

to a version of events given by

12:10

brooks he went to bed around

12:12

midnight the crystal stayed

12:14

out playing games on her

12:16

phone he later told police

12:18

that when he woke up the following

12:21

day crystal was gone Along

12:23

with her car on maroon 2007,

12:26

Chevrolet Impala. Okay,

12:28

maybe he woke up thinking bad.

12:35

She was up late playing Candy, Crush or whatever

12:37

game she was playing on her phone

12:39

maybe she's got up morning and decided

12:41

to take a drive or Google. Visit a friend

12:44

or whatever. The

12:47

a number of times. I've woken up.

12:49

I find out that my wife is gone.

12:51

Her car is gone. i

12:54

don't normally think anything about

12:56

it other than she gotta have

12:58

she chose to run some errands

13:00

and you know maybe eye color and see

13:02

hey were you add or or something like that

13:04

race that happens quite a bit that

13:07

that day gibbs crystals family

13:09

tried everything to get in touch with her there

13:12

was no response to their calls or

13:14

tags really wasn't any trace

13:17

of were crystal could be the

13:19

then you would be alarmed right why didn't he

13:22

that cutting back why did she answering recalls

13:25

yeah what you said i wouldn't

13:27

be alarmed if i got up

13:29

and my wife's car was gone the i

13:31

just make the assumption that she chose

13:33

to run out maybe to the grocery store run

13:35

some errands whatever go see your mom but

13:38

if i'd try to call her or texture

13:40

all day long and i get and no response

13:43

just like you said well then

13:45

i start to get a little weren't sure because that

13:47

would be very unlikely and

13:50

that's exactly what happened here are

13:52

so instead of relaxing

13:55

the being able to celebrate

13:57

the fourth of july weekend this

13:59

is the family spent their time nervously

14:02

waiting for her to call hoping

14:05

that she would make contact but

14:07

she never did then i

14:09

think as what happened with

14:11

any more the the level of concern

14:14

through hour by hour the

14:17

i think your wondering maybe

14:19

she just the motor phone

14:21

yeah then you're wondering the

14:24

something happened to her

14:26

then i think you're onto something did

14:28

happen to her because why wouldn't she called back

14:30

by now it's kind of the way

14:32

that the mind works

14:34

the to me i think a lot of situations

14:37

okay to start off with you're

14:39

not you work well as

14:42

more and more time passes and

14:44

you don't hear from someone

14:46

It's natural for the

14:48

mind to go those darker

14:50

places because you

14:52

just can't understand why someone's

14:54

not answering your phone and I calling you

14:56

back now responding to

14:58

tax. Okay, something must be really wrong.

15:01

that around five pm on july six

15:04

this was your a few days after brooks

15:06

last all crystal her car

15:09

was found by a family member

15:11

according to the kentucky stand the

15:13

vehicle was parked near mile marker

15:16

of fourteen the on the

15:18

blue grass parkway the road

15:20

that you and i both know very well no course

15:22

here the core had a flat tire

15:25

in inside was crystals purse

15:28

her cell phone which had a dead

15:30

battery and a diaper

15:32

bag the and the keys were

15:34

in the ignition

15:35

though you have to wonder her getting

15:37

a flat tire was that we'd

15:40

the result of her been dr

15:43

by somebody coming along to help

15:45

her out the war the the

15:47

flat tire be the way

15:49

to staged vehicle

15:51

yeah i think those are both good questions

15:53

the other thing that i'd sign of

15:55

thought about was okay you

15:57

have a flat time and

15:59

me you're not able to flags on one down

16:02

so you have to start walking the

16:04

seeing that kind of really takes me out

16:06

of that one is are you going leave

16:08

your purse behind are you going

16:10

to leave your cell phone behind probably

16:12

no no it if you're

16:14

going to walk down the highway

16:17

trying to flag down someone

16:19

to give you a ride or try to make

16:21

to the next um the nearest

16:23

exit to get help you're not leaving

16:26

that stuff behind you're car now stuff you're

16:28

going to need so naturally gives

16:30

when her family found this out

16:33

they were scared her mother series

16:36

reported her missing to the police according

16:39

to dobie ha ass eleven

16:41

news the police announced a twenty

16:43

five thousand dollar reward for

16:45

information leading to crystals whereabouts

16:48

the sheriff's office and a canine team

16:50

out to the park way none of the dogs

16:53

detected crystal said anywhere

16:55

around the vicinity of the car the

16:58

guy eliminates the are the

17:00

river walking the park

17:02

way to find out yes i think it does

17:05

i think if you're an investigator in

17:07

your armed with that fact

17:10

what would you say most likely

17:12

that she was taken right

17:14

there at the car in

17:17

another vehicle and so

17:19

they're there really is nothing for

17:21

the dogs too the gop

17:23

there is no trail though because

17:25

the trail ends right by the car

17:28

if she's abducted input into

17:31

another car and that car drives off right

17:33

or if she didn't even drive the car there

17:35

as someone else

17:36

drove the car they're made of look i shared

17:39

a flat tire the band in the car

17:41

the course the dogs aren't gonna pick a person

17:44

yeah that's a great point two so you're

17:46

like in all the unsolved cases

17:48

that we do we're going to be talking about

17:51

a lot of what is for

17:53

what could be because it's

17:56

just a big part of these unsolved case

17:59

no doubt gibbs this

18:01

discovery though they were probably

18:04

already thinking it's but this discovery

18:06

of her car and her belongings

18:09

must have meant to them that something was

18:12

very wrong i think at that point

18:14

you have to know that something

18:16

bad his hat we mention

18:18

it right she had five kids it

18:20

was entirely out of character

18:23

for her to leave her kids you

18:25

would not have abandoned her car she

18:27

would not have left her belongings behind

18:30

and to not be reachable on

18:33

herself it's just really none

18:35

of that was her

18:39

they make any sense crystal family

18:41

said out that night in

18:43

the door then picked her way

18:45

through thick grass and trees

18:47

near where the car was found they

18:50

didn't find anything the between the canine

18:53

dogs and the family coming

18:55

up empty

18:56

where do your thoughts go from there well to

18:58

me it goes back to the

19:00

was either taken right there

19:03

in placed into another car or

19:05

like you had suggested possibly

19:07

some i drove the car out there the

19:10

the car a flat tire and then jumped

19:12

into another car the someone

19:15

in and sped off good

19:17

as we know with a lot of the cases

19:19

that occur in relatively small

19:21

towns bardstown was a tight

19:23

knit commute large town had a

19:25

population of just under thirteen

19:27

thousand people at the time if

19:30

any one didn't know anything they

19:32

didn't come for who police though

19:35

you can look at that a couple of different ways

19:38

either there were very

19:41

few people the new any

19:43

saying maybe it was just to

19:45

the person responsible for her disappearance

19:47

right person involved or

19:50

if other people did know

19:52

they didn't feel all the comfortable

19:55

coming forward the either because

19:59

who were so white involved or

20:01

they don't want to ran out someone else

20:04

they didn't want to put themselves

20:06

in danger i mean there's a there's a number

20:08

of different scenarios there's well sir

20:10

or there

20:11

could have even been concern about going

20:13

to the police maybe they fell there are some

20:16

no involvement the police

20:18

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21:36

trace crystals last move on

21:40

the last day that she was known

21:42

to have been seen alive she

21:44

had gone to local walmart at four

21:46

thirty six pm the where she

21:48

bought some food the t ball

21:50

played a junior sniper

21:53

air rifle in two boys

21:55

teacher some of crystals

21:57

routes is recalled seeing her with three

21:59

of her to the to store when crystal

22:01

in the kids laugh she dropped

22:04

off to have her children after father's

22:06

house before heading to a property

22:08

inspection around five pm later

22:11

that evening crystals believed to have gone

22:13

out to the hawks family farm

22:15

with brooke that he later claimed

22:17

that the to said the cows

22:20

with they're young sign before returning

22:22

home then obviously we know

22:25

the next day she was gone

22:27

so if you you were going to abandon your family

22:29

your kids the you actually

22:31

then time at walmart

22:34

buying stuff for them for

22:36

them and out doesn't make any sense the

22:38

i grew see a number one it doesn't make sense

22:40

we've already said is it was out of

22:42

character for her or a

22:44

people thought no way would she have abandoned

22:47

her tears anything it's

22:49

in one of those things that's important as you

22:51

go through these cases what

22:54

makes sense what doesn't what

22:56

is plausible what

22:58

is not those are important

23:01

factors to me there as

23:03

i run through the fact

23:05

that are known of a certain case

23:08

five days after crystal went missing

23:11

while her family was desperately trying

23:13

to find her the nelson

23:15

county sheriff's brought books in for

23:17

question we've already said right that

23:19

he was kind of the prime suspect

23:22

and why wouldn't he be he's a boyfriend

23:24

he lived with her last one the sea or last

23:26

one to see her now he

23:28

claimed that he was not overly concerned

23:31

about crystal failing to come home

23:34

or even to make contact saying

23:36

that she'd some time spend

23:38

the night and her cousin's place

23:41

or stay with other roles the

23:43

from his point of view gibbs as

23:46

with a lot of relationships sometimes

23:48

couples just need a break from each other

23:50

the revealed to investigators that

23:53

the relationship could become stress

23:56

which is what resulted in crystal

23:58

staying somewhere else for

24:00

a night maybe two nights can't

24:03

there is stress in in just about

24:05

any relationship or from you can't get

24:07

away from it now what

24:10

he means when he

24:12

says their relationship

24:14

could be calm stress there's

24:17

not really know right there is no

24:19

further elaboration on it then

24:21

i think you can take that in a number

24:24

of different direction you

24:26

can look at that as though it's just the

24:28

normal stress of any relationship

24:31

or you could take it a step

24:33

further a the say that

24:35

they were going through a rough patch they

24:38

were fighting and

24:40

when it happens she would take off

24:42

and leave and i get it because it could be tough

24:44

you know i mean i think about your

24:47

marriage do i have to

24:51

or maybe not sorry honey the or maybe

24:53

you know and you've set of times

24:55

before it says it's always nice

24:58

perfect what you get through things

25:00

as a couple and you move on but

25:03

i'm sure it could be really tense

25:05

maybe for ham and her the

25:08

a two year old having

25:11

four kids from

25:13

previous marriages yeah good

25:15

good cause a lot of tension serve you know

25:18

a financial tensions are were as well

25:20

that's what amounts to feed yeah i mean

25:23

to me to kids can be stressful

25:25

i would imagine five kids can be

25:28

the even more stress him let's

25:30

not forget the fact you're not married right

25:33

the boyfriend and girlfriend they do have a

25:35

son together right right he's

25:37

kind of at certain points

25:40

probably having to play that

25:42

dan yeah to these for other children

25:45

you and i talked about it before that's

25:48

not an easy situation because

25:51

you don't know what your limitations or there

25:53

you don't always know where the boundary as right

25:56

what can you do have you establish

25:58

those boundaries of you know how

26:00

do you discipline for kids

26:02

who are not yours neck creates

26:04

a lot of attention so there's a lot

26:07

going on works participated

26:09

in a polygraph test but the results

26:11

were inconclusive according

26:13

to the kentucky standard he

26:16

told police that he and crystal had left

26:18

the farm around midnight when

26:20

they arrived home around twenty minutes later

26:23

he went to sleep that around

26:25

twelve twenty on july third

26:28

he woke up at seven am the next

26:30

day the find his two year old

26:32

son in bed next to him but crystal

26:34

was gone works told the detective

26:37

he took their son back out to the farm

26:39

later that more one thing

26:41

police raised with brooks

26:44

why the very short phone

26:47

call that he had received

26:49

around midnight i think

26:52

gibbs with them he was a little a basic

26:54

saying he wasn't sure who

26:56

would have called him at that hour the

26:59

didn't really give them any details us

27:01

to me from the research it's though he

27:03

acted as though he didn't remember

27:06

the car didn't really take the force

27:08

just got brushed it off yeah what

27:10

brooks's police interview the

27:13

kind of a strange turn when

27:15

his brother nick who was a

27:17

bardstown police officer called

27:20

and instructed brooks not to

27:22

participate in the interview any further the

27:24

key of to wonder how

27:27

that look to the the

27:29

other officers in detectors at the

27:31

police station the i mean for

27:33

me as a you can look at that a couple of different

27:35

ways yes investigators detect

27:38

is would be like okay

27:40

you're one of us why are you telling your

27:42

brother not to

27:45

help us out not to the

27:47

system the in this investigation

27:50

the from the standpoint of a brother

27:53

you could possibly see how the

27:56

word not one

27:59

works to get the heart rate

28:01

here maybe some type

28:03

of detective trap that

28:06

he probably all too familiar with

28:09

the you can goes back to the

28:11

attorney advising his client just

28:13

not to talk ray guess is you're going

28:15

to say something and they're going to take it the wrong

28:18

way and maybe that's what his brother

28:20

was thinking you're better off not

28:22

throwing anything out there because

28:25

they are already looking at you and

28:28

you say the wrong thing even if it doesn't

28:31

mean exactly

28:33

he oh the way it's coming

28:35

out it it's

28:37

just gonna ratchet you up the her the

28:40

old suspect meter the for you

28:42

this is a case where blood is thicker than

28:44

whatever thicker be with your one

28:47

water was the as as as i think the or

28:49

does normal saying his blood is thicker than

28:51

water there the difference here

28:53

is it's not your return

28:56

that's a fellow officer telling

28:58

you someone is being interviewed

29:00

not to participate

29:02

with his fellow officers so you

29:05

can see where that might create

29:07

might create tense syllabus inside

29:09

the ad depart there is

29:11

video of brooks's police

29:14

interview it's available on line

29:16

courtesy of the nelson county gazette

29:18

you tube channel the we recommend

29:21

checking that out if you're interested in

29:23

in watching it hearing the

29:25

day after brooks gave his interview

29:28

he went public going into

29:30

the nancy grace yo to

29:32

protest is enough the provided

29:34

a version of events that had him

29:37

you're going to bed while crystal was playing

29:39

games on your phone with their

29:41

son so away that being

29:43

cared for by chris the is

29:45

a couple of things here for me i

29:48

think some of these things can be viewed

29:50

different ways why i

29:52

know there are people listening who

29:54

are gonna say why would you

29:57

call in to nancy grace

29:59

to say how innocent

30:01

you are though because

30:04

i know there are people that look at that

30:06

and say that kind of screams

30:09

of you're trying too hard

30:12

yes the wizard shakespeare

30:15

who said i i think i think daft

30:17

you protest too much or something my

30:19

shakespeare's not great but it's

30:22

something along those lines of

30:24

basically saying when you

30:26

protest too much you're

30:28

kind of giving off the opposite box wow

30:31

to not protests how much

30:33

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30:35

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30:38

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30:40

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30:42

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30:46

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30:48

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30:51

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30:53

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31:02

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31:04

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31:06

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31:08

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31:11

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31:17

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31:20

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31:22

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31:24

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slash wind though i didn't get when

32:11

you look at this case very early

32:13

on i don't know

32:15

that brooks was

32:18

being looked at very hard as it is

32:20

a suspect i'm i'm sure police

32:23

had to say okay we have to talk to

32:25

him because like we said he was

32:27

the last person to see her eyes

32:29

these over these course of time though

32:32

things changed a little bit sure any

32:34

became more and more of a suspect

32:37

in the eyes of law enforcement yeah

32:39

and then they have their interview with i'm and

32:42

you've got a little funky like we said

32:44

when his brother called and said the

32:47

talking and they had to be a little ticked

32:49

it the brother yet to way

32:52

kentucky state police wanted to speak

32:54

with nick about is called to

32:56

brooks he refused to

32:58

cooperate with their inquiries next

33:01

car we use grew increasingly suspicious

33:03

of stonewalling and

33:06

i teach you have that escalate

33:08

they they just started thinking sums

33:11

not right here why's he intervening

33:14

why is he so

33:16

adamant about his brother

33:18

not talking to us when not

33:21

cooperate with this investigation but

33:23

no doubt that the him not

33:25

wanting to cooperate you

33:28

know on top of him not wanting

33:30

to his brother to cooperate it's

33:32

kind of put him on the radar

33:35

more and for it also didn't

33:37

help that security video

33:39

footage the our property near

33:41

the farm showed burke's driving

33:44

out to the property on the night of july

33:46

third being followed

33:48

by nick mostly behind at

33:50

around eleven twenty pm the

33:53

camera picked up the brothers vehicles

33:55

again leaving the farm

33:57

together though now

34:00

you got somewhat of a contradiction

34:02

sir because brooks is already told

34:04

his story that he and

34:06

crystal went out to the farm they did

34:08

this they did that then they went home the

34:10

my understanding know where in there was

34:13

oh and by the way my brother nick was

34:16

was out there to or

34:17

it means the family farm also they can go out

34:19

there anytime they want do whatever they want

34:21

but it just seems a little the

34:25

was it seems bizarre if you're leaving

34:27

out those types of details

34:30

in your conversation with police

34:32

on july nine next police car

34:35

was sent for forensic testing and

34:38

he also testified before granger

34:40

the week later he was interviewed again

34:43

he was informed that a significant

34:45

amount of bodily fluids were found

34:48

on a blanket in the course

34:50

from nick again

34:52

denied any involvement or knowledge

34:55

of what had happened to crystal the

34:57

maintain that his brother brooks could

35:00

not have been involved he eventually

35:02

agreed to take a polygraph tests

35:04

which was conducted about who

35:06

and a half weeks after crystal disappeared

35:10

and gibbs it's been reported by

35:12

various news outlets that he

35:14

failed this polygraph test and

35:16

obviously that didn't look good the

35:19

his fellow law enforcement officers

35:22

no i can't imagine it did

35:24

especially since they were already

35:26

kind of checked with him they were already a little

35:28

suspicious of him now

35:31

they're saying that he failed a polygraph

35:33

test then you think about

35:35

crystal spam i

35:37

think there is no doubt gibbs they were concerned

35:40

hi brooks is casual

35:42

attitude to

35:44

his girlfriend's disappearance their

35:47

daughter there's sister their

35:49

route you know their family member crystal

35:52

the them he didn't even seem

35:54

to care that the mother of his

35:56

child had just up in vain the

35:59

i mean i'd say i think they were pretty

36:02

suspicious from the starts

36:04

i think that the spacing

36:06

grew as time

36:08

went on basically

36:10

to the point where they knew

36:13

that he new

36:15

more than he was letting off yeah according

36:18

to a b c news crystal

36:20

sister brooke was openly

36:22

critical of brooks to the media

36:25

he said he seemed so

36:27

on effect hi crystal disappearance

36:30

that see ensured things

36:32

continued full steam ahead as his

36:34

word the construction company

36:36

completed the building of several homes

36:38

in a new subdivision they

36:41

weren't happy that he was

36:43

continuing his wife are working

36:45

every day the and things like

36:47

that i can see their

36:50

point of view what also can see

36:53

why somebody would want to try to keep

36:55

some form of normal

36:58

see

36:58

in their everyday life yeah i mean this

37:00

is off right from the families point

37:03

of view everything kind of

37:05

stuff the guys all

37:07

they care about is figuring out what happened

37:09

to crystal now you have a

37:11

boyfriend who this

37:14

continuing the

37:16

go on right for soy has a business

37:19

that he probably doesn't want to

37:22

the rapper dies that you can

37:24

get it right from the families point of view

37:26

it's just like oh he's back to normal

37:28

yeah he's doing what he did before and

37:32

you can have opposing views on than i

37:34

and i in definitely see how that

37:36

would happen for sure crystal

37:38

dad tommy made it his mission to

37:40

find out what happened to his daughter and

37:42

who was responsible together

37:44

with his wife cherie and local resident

37:47

angie bishar homie

37:49

established a community activist group

37:52

called team crystal members

37:54

of the group and sure that crystals

37:56

case had regular media attention

37:59

the try to get the answer they needed as

38:01

reported by the website the daily

38:04

beast this will family went above

38:06

and beyond in publicizing their

38:08

daughter's disappearance they

38:10

erected signs and billboards and prominent

38:13

places around bardstown to

38:15

keep the investigation at the forefront

38:17

of residents more one

38:19

time was even erected not far from

38:21

the house farm asking

38:24

the question rock how where

38:27

is crystal ranch the

38:29

yeah i think any of us would

38:31

do some of these things

38:33

right we'd stop at nothing to find

38:36

out what happened to our loved one our

38:38

daughter we seen a lot of

38:40

cases where the people have

38:42

a erected billboards this

38:44

one is very sweet you

38:47

are literally calling this guy

38:49

out the near a

38:51

reckoning a billboard very

38:53

close to his farm with

38:55

to his name on it right and you're

38:58

asking him hey what

39:00

happened to crystal runs or yeah it's

39:02

pretty direct it's kind of hard to

39:05

hide that the night there's

39:07

really no the old intentions

39:10

here for i am a year we're putting your cards on

39:12

the table when you do some like that exactly

39:14

and neo he has to drive by that everyday

39:16

look at that meanwhile nick

39:18

how was suspended from his job

39:21

in early september according

39:23

to wave three news crystals

39:25

family friends and residents of

39:27

bardstown searched everywhere

39:29

they could across nelson county in

39:32

the neighboring counties are the room

39:34

marianne in washington the

39:37

bodies of water worry big focus

39:39

because i think it was strongly suspected

39:42

that she might be sounds in a pond

39:45

or some other type of waterway

39:47

that a lot of work

39:50

to undertake searching that many counties

39:53

in

39:54

that many waterways but we're not talking

39:56

about a small area ray when you're

39:58

talking about four counties regardless

40:01

of how big those counties are four

40:03

counties gonna be a fairly large

40:05

area yeah and some of that terrain in those

40:07

counties are not that easy to navigate

40:11

on october sixteenth two thousand

40:13

and fifteen the sheriff's office formally

40:15

announced the they believed

40:18

that based on the available evidence

40:20

crystal was dead and that brooks

40:23

was the only sauce following

40:25

high profile administrative proceedings

40:27

his brother nick the fired from his job

40:30

it the bardstown pt for

40:33

interfering with the investigation and

40:35

failing to conduct himself

40:37

as a police officer sir this

40:40

is kind of a a big deal yeah the

40:42

first thing that jumps out of me gives his were

40:44

only about three months the

40:47

after her disappear when

40:49

police make this formal announcement

40:52

it doesn't surprise me that nick

40:54

was fired like we said law

40:58

enforcement could not have been have weird

41:00

what he did in trying

41:03

to intervene on behalf

41:05

of his brother then after that

41:07

you things went pretty cold there really

41:09

weren't any meaningful breakthroughs

41:12

but then as reported by w d

41:14

r b news a white b a

41:16

this track down which had been

41:18

part of the health farm on the night

41:21

of crystals disappear roxanne

41:23

next eighty two year old grandmother

41:26

and a wide sides had owned a

41:28

similar vehicle the no doubt

41:30

gibbs police wanted to test this

41:32

car for dna it it was

41:34

revealed that anna had sold

41:36

the car weeks after

41:39

crystals disappearance after

41:41

taking a statement from in a police had

41:44

sufficient reason to believe the vehicle

41:46

may have been used to transport

41:48

crystals body for being clean

41:51

and then sold to an unwitting

41:54

third party the disposal

41:56

of that in june two

41:58

thousand and sixteen and the subpoenaed

42:00

to testify the for

42:02

grand jury but she refused

42:04

to cooperate taking the system

42:07

him though daily to your

42:09

grandmother's not cooperating you know

42:12

you know i when everybody's

42:14

lips are sealed makes it very difficult

42:16

to do any type investigation that

42:19

is true but when you say every

42:21

one this is why one

42:23

family yeah right so brock's

42:26

his brother neg now their grandmother

42:29

at the very least you would they

42:31

it's suspicious that the very

42:34

least yeah even if they didn't

42:36

have the any wrong doing here it

42:38

certainly does look suspicious i

42:40

think the problem is far as

42:43

the vehicle was concerned is

42:45

that we just don't know a lot of the details

42:48

there's a court order restricting the

42:50

publication of information

42:53

regarding his involvement according

42:56

to w l k y news

42:58

all court documents relating to the vehicle

43:00

relating the the what we do know

43:03

is that in august two thousand and sixteen

43:05

law enforcement executed a search

43:07

warrant on and his home investigators

43:10

surge knicks home the and

43:12

rosemary far where they were

43:14

accompanied by eighteen cadaver

43:17

dogs and it dies why

43:19

are we don't know what if

43:21

anything they found the following

43:23

month brussels mom and dad

43:25

tom and sure wow for custody

43:28

of kristen brooks two year old

43:30

son the lot going on there there's

43:32

a lot going on the and

43:35

again all of these searches

43:39

our center the rounds roxanne

43:42

his family yeah the

43:44

that's a major the operation

43:47

when you're searching with eighteen dogs

43:50

that's what i'm saying and eighteen cadaver

43:52

dogs that is a big operation

43:55

air but emails you're out it the

43:57

former has two hundred fifty acres

43:59

he ran the

44:00

la da and some other locations of

44:02

that would make sense that you eventually maybe

44:04

need that many dogs but in a dive

44:07

team to me do this osiris

44:09

oh we said it right brooks is a prime

44:11

suspect there's no doubt

44:14

everything that we talked about police

44:16

are focus in on him

44:19

and his family the fact

44:21

that the parents sir they were we

44:24

want custody of our grandson

44:26

the we know fill

44:28

they would you having him know because they obviously

44:30

believe that works

44:33

with them off

44:34

right in the disappearance of their daughter

44:36

yeah sucks they don't want their

44:38

grandchild in his custody

44:41

sir according to w l

44:43

k y news one development

44:45

that serviced in late two thousand sixteen

44:48

involved a friend an employee of

44:50

brooks named danny singleton

44:53

the any was charged with thirty eight counts

44:55

of lying under oath to a grand

44:58

jury in the matter of crystals

45:00

disappearance the later pleaded

45:02

guilty but served only about

45:04

six months in jail that's

45:07

a lot accounts thirty eight counts of line

45:09

edits big time slot and lying

45:11

in front of a grand jury now

45:14

we don't have all the details around

45:16

what questions were asked what lies

45:19

he told then again

45:21

he's connected to brooke yeah

45:24

oh doesn't look at it doesn't look good

45:27

and i think that's kind of important

45:29

in this case rice how this suspicion

45:33

wayne again so works

45:35

when everything that is happening

45:37

every thing that the police or uncovering

45:40

it makes him look the opie

45:43

in there are more like i said at

45:45

the very least it's very very suspicious

45:48

gradually soon struck crystals family

45:50

again in the morning hours

45:52

on november nineteen two thousand

45:55

and sixteen crystals fifty

45:57

four year old father tommy drove

45:59

with there's ten year old grandson out

46:02

to some family property in an area

46:04

near the bluegrass park way to

46:06

go hunting this before seven

46:08

am after tommy and his grandson

46:10

arrive the an unknown person

46:12

saw tommy once in the chest from a

46:15

distance killing this

46:17

a little murky but there's

46:19

absolutely nothing to suggest tommy's

46:21

grandson killed him intentionally

46:23

or even accidentally he was

46:25

ruled out possible

46:27

suicide has been eliminated

46:31

given the fact that tommy gun was

46:33

fired homies brother my

46:35

described him as a devoted family

46:37

person he loved his wife

46:39

he loved his kids it is hard working

46:42

he was the type a guy who would do anything

46:44

for any his wife sherry

46:47

told w d r b news that tommy

46:49

had confided in her that

46:51

he felt as though someone

46:54

was following him in

46:56

the weeks leading up to his death

46:59

police were initially reluctant to classify

47:02

tommy's death is a murder instead

47:04

of an accident that was very

47:07

tough for his widow siri

47:09

there's no doubt gibbs she was convinced

47:12

the commies death and

47:14

crystals disappearance and likely

47:16

murder we're both like kentucky

47:19

say police were determined to get to

47:21

the bottom of what happened in

47:24

july two thousand and seventeen detective

47:26

searched and a whitesides property

47:28

again according to the courier

47:31

journal newspaper invests

47:33

here's looked for firearms the

47:35

or anything else related to tommy's

47:38

that that's a man's books

47:40

new girlfriend the

47:43

strangely to me gibbs also

47:45

happened to be name's crystal very bizarre

47:47

was arrested for stealing some of the signs

47:50

erected around bardstown hi

47:53

crystal family works his

47:55

girlfriend was ordered by the court who

47:57

send a written apology to

47:59

show this was according to

48:01

w d r b news strange

48:04

right driving around taken down

48:07

it's very strange to me i mean okay

48:09

you have a new relationship sir the

48:11

end your new boyfriends

48:15

previous girlfriend the disappeared

48:18

was likely murdered according to law

48:20

enforcement in her family has

48:22

put up all these bubble and

48:25

he had or chew the point

48:27

where you feel the need to go drive

48:29

around and take them down

48:31

this drink it is trying to mentally

48:33

you don't want to be happy about it you know up to

48:35

agree with what the signs and billboard

48:37

say but physically remove

48:39

them the again it doesn't help

48:42

the perception of the family know

48:45

though he makes it seem like you're doing that on

48:47

behalf of your boyfriend because i

48:49

think from the point of view

48:51

of the public again and maybe even hours

48:53

and people listening there is still i'm

48:56

a young mother of five who

48:58

went missing in is presumed to

49:00

have been murdered who would not

49:02

want to get to the bottom of that

49:04

mystery solving bring

49:06

the person responsible to justice

49:09

unless you're part of us him lee that

49:11

was somehow and ball as as the

49:13

only people that don't want to see that happen

49:16

on march twenty first two thousand eight

49:18

two a revolution was passed

49:20

by the kentucky house of representatives

49:23

and the state so this was intended

49:26

to publicly honor crystal

49:28

and tommy in some other recent

49:30

unsolved das a bardstown residents

49:33

including jason hours and mother

49:35

and daughter cathy and samantha

49:37

netherlands they will expand on

49:40

these cases a little bit later the

49:42

in mid july two thousand eighty brooks

49:45

was arrested for phony sound

49:48

the were allegedly stealing more

49:50

than two hundred bundles of roofing

49:52

singles from a lowes home improvement

49:55

store the previous a the

49:57

water bottles of roofing most of the

50:00

that's a lot of weight they

50:02

would be best if that's you

50:04

know if i was going to steal something

50:06

he wouldn't be something bad

50:09

would require that much heavy

50:11

lifting their i get it he's

50:13

in construction is he did

50:15

it that would have benefited him greatly

50:17

from that respect sir but

50:20

that's a lot of work man the

50:22

size of not an easy task to steal

50:24

no i actually have actually job

50:26

i think home from college one year where

50:29

i carried singles oil

50:31

and that was probably about

50:34

that and bailing hey they are those

50:36

were the the two jobs where

50:38

i think i was the most sought the

50:40

always give the young guy the yeah vandals

50:42

of singles to carry up the

50:44

ladder to the roof oh yeah oh i didn't know how

50:46

to do roofing myself they

50:48

just paid me probably what four dollars

50:50

an hour to suits fierce do

50:53

nothing by carrier singles

50:55

if there was a good deal for them works

50:57

was released on a twenty five thousand

50:59

dollar bond that eventually

51:01

he was found not guilty that

51:04

same month the according to w l

51:06

k y news the total reward

51:09

in crystal's case stood at one

51:11

hundred thousand dollars for any information

51:14

related to her disappearance and

51:17

as a big number is a big number that

51:19

is a number that we often see and our

51:21

australian cases in in other

51:23

cases abroad obviously

51:26

there are some cases in the us said get that

51:28

high but many don't it's

51:30

a good range to make those people

51:32

sitting on edge of their couch come

51:35

forward yeah yeah because one hundred thousand

51:37

dollars lot of money in in

51:39

november two thousand eighteen there was

51:41

another blow down to sherry

51:43

bowers according to w

51:45

d r b news a court ruled

51:48

she was no longer permitted to see

51:50

her now five year old grandson the

51:52

last thing a little bit when you lose

51:55

visitation to when you

51:57

break it the long time

52:00

bob losing your husband here to

52:02

a mysterious shooting death which

52:05

was on top of losing your daughter

52:07

musso lot to hand in

52:10

a relatively short period of time i

52:12

think it would be so hard to handle for most people

52:15

oh yeah for for anyone from

52:17

my point of view gibbs one

52:19

of the reasons this case has

52:21

received increased publicity

52:24

was because of the bardstown

52:26

podcast that gave reporters

52:29

say mcallister in just

52:31

an old did a pretty extensive

52:33

deep dark into multiple

52:36

unsolved murders in the town

52:38

from two thousand and thirteen the

52:40

two thousand and sixteen including

52:42

crystals disappearance and tommy's murder

52:45

so to good podcast

52:47

you might want to check it out sure now

52:49

i think we need to look at some

52:52

of the possible scenarios that

52:54

have been discussed in this case some

52:56

of which we've already talked about right the sheriff's

52:59

office initially focused on the theory

53:01

that crystal had run away as

53:03

we said the likelihood of that

53:06

seems though

53:08

almost zero given the

53:11

fact that she had five children

53:13

right given the fact that

53:15

her family and friends were so adams

53:18

that it was out of her character

53:20

for heard a just up and leave without

53:23

telling anyone they just

53:25

there was no way it would never have to

53:27

make any sense and why was she spun

53:30

day before going the walmart and doing

53:32

all that kind stuff if she was planning

53:34

to leave her kids and the fact that she

53:36

didn't take her purse her phone

53:39

that was found in the car

53:41

even if you wanna leave i still think

53:43

you'd want to have some type of identification

53:45

some money cash

53:48

maybe have your cell phone with yeah just in case

53:50

of emergencies ser jaime

53:52

really having the kids is

53:54

the big one not leaving

53:56

them behind then you

53:58

know if you think about it if she

54:01

did leave phone

54:03

terribly year

54:04

then she basically left with

54:06

nothing but the photos the she was wearing

54:08

that day and who does

54:10

that why would you do that

54:12

when you don't have to i think

54:14

that's a big question that comes up in

54:17

a lot of disappearance case because

54:20

as you said it just doesn't make

54:22

sense we also need to consider

54:25

whether kristoff was involved in an

54:27

accent or whether

54:29

she could have even taken her own life there

54:32

was some type of acts of the

54:34

pretty hard i think at this point

54:36

to even theorize what's

54:38

that that have been yeah

54:40

mean even if

54:42

the say she did drive her car

54:44

out to the parkway got a flat tire got

54:46

out whatever reason in

54:49

something didn't go right and had an accident

54:51

nobody would have been found yet as we know the canine

54:54

team was out there we know that her family

54:56

in other members router searching that area

54:59

you would think that something would have been found

55:02

yeah yeah i agree and i see

55:04

when you look at the

55:07

possible suicide angle

55:09

you have that same question okay

55:12

then where is her body yeah

55:15

we mentioned how many different cadaver

55:17

dogs tracking dogs were used

55:20

the extensive searching that was done

55:23

you would thing that most likely they

55:25

would have found her bought yeah then

55:27

i think her five children come

55:29

into that angle as well if

55:32

you're not voluntarily going to

55:34

leave

55:35

because you don't want to leave your your five

55:37

children behind the family

55:39

and friends thought it was unlikely that she

55:41

would take her own lives and leave her five children

55:44

behind as well obviously we

55:46

need to talk about the possibility that

55:49

either an acquaintance or even a stranger

55:51

decided to harm crystal and

55:53

even after include her previous partners

55:56

or they have set of the her

55:59

relationship with bro there's

56:01

a possibility there's

56:03

there's really nothing to be sound

56:05

and the research suggests

56:07

that any of these men were involved

56:10

weather was previous boyfriends

56:12

her ex husbands during

56:15

breaks police interview he explained

56:17

that crystal occasionally worked for

56:20

sitting with evictions on

56:22

some of the rental properties that he manage

56:25

but even in those interviews he

56:27

didn't think that any former

56:29

tenants could a band so upset

56:32

with crystal personally it's that they

56:34

would have

56:35

harmed her a look mean you ever victor

56:37

lot of people in our or unfortunately

56:40

yeah not to fun it was not the fun

56:42

part as of our john are now

56:44

by i don't think anybody ever would want

56:46

to

56:47

harm us checkpoint that they would one

56:49

is dead that's not true

56:51

well does remember that guy that threaten me

56:54

of that's true you personally it's you did

56:56

have one person there yeah but

56:58

by and large i mean people

57:00

i understand that are you know if you're

57:02

not gonna pay your mortgage eventually you're

57:05

gonna have to leave right

57:07

what they deserve it is a scenario

57:09

that i think you have to talk about you

57:12

know if you're assisting with evictions there

57:14

are gonna be some people that are not very happy

57:17

right with the situation that

57:19

would they have wanted to take it out

57:22

on crystal personally dividing

57:24

it's rare and i don't think brooks thought

57:26

that that was a possibility right

57:29

i do think when you talk about strangers

57:32

though one scenario is

57:34

that the fact that she had a flat tire

57:36

may be why she was sitting there

57:39

waiting for help or maybe she got out and was thinking

57:42

about changing that tire that

57:44

a stranger came by that

57:46

stranger was a very bad

57:48

individual know prevnar yeah who saw

57:50

an opportunity here's a woman

57:53

alone i will

57:55

seen

57:56

the interest in helping her possibly

57:59

changed the higher i'm parked

58:01

right next to her i get her

58:03

and my vehicle and boom were gone exactly

58:06

yeah that is a definite possibility a half

58:08

to keep that one on the tape

58:11

the never do you have to look at brooks yeah

58:14

i'm in there's a lot of suspicion

58:16

that the ah those

58:18

law enforcement and crystals

58:21

family the failed to report

58:23

her missing and according to crystals

58:25

family he didn't appear

58:28

all that motivated to want to

58:30

find her to want

58:32

to participate in the searches

58:36

crystal family filed a missing

58:38

persons police report several days

58:40

later and i think you have to

58:42

ask that question what type of

58:45

person what type of boy for this

58:47

reluctant to report their partner

58:51

and the mother of their son was not forget that

58:54

the missing we

58:56

can this is this he just

58:58

vanished off the face of the or having

59:00

is really suspicious yeah i think

59:02

anybody that would look at it would think

59:04

that as well detailed

59:06

in the bardstown podcast there

59:09

was some tension between brooks and

59:11

crystals family to time then

59:13

we just saw earlier read the couple's

59:15

relationship hadn't always

59:17

been a smooth one the to family

59:19

apparently knew that she was unhappy

59:22

a lot of the time and births

59:24

was reported to have felt like an outsider

59:26

when it came to his interactions

59:29

with the bow the able even

59:31

with all that still strange

59:34

that you wouldn't do anything when

59:37

it came to year girlfriend missing

59:39

yeah i agree let's say

59:42

i couldn't stay in my inlaws

59:44

yeah which is not the case or i love

59:46

them but let's say we didn't get a

59:48

long they hated me i hated

59:50

them if my wife went

59:52

missing would i not want

59:54

to participate in

59:56

searching for her just because

59:58

i didn't get along with her for

1:00:00

family no i wouldn't care about

1:00:02

that it off now he put those differences

1:00:04

a saucer there's more important things at that

1:00:06

moment

1:00:07

gibbs we also mentioned alleged

1:00:09

links between crystals das

1:00:12

and tommy's murder than

1:00:14

those of other local cases

1:00:16

as well this includes the murder of jason

1:00:18

hours a thirty three year old police

1:00:21

officer and married fathers to we've

1:00:23

been with the bardstown pd

1:00:25

since two thousand and six one

1:00:28

night in late may two thousand and thirteen

1:00:30

while driving home after his ship jason

1:00:33

noticed tree branches obstructing

1:00:36

exit ramp thirty four of

1:00:38

the bluegrass parkway and

1:00:41

he was a good guy raves a police officer

1:00:43

so he pulled over to clear

1:00:45

the branches off the roof when

1:00:47

he got out of his car jason

1:00:50

was shot several times and he does we

1:00:53

suspect is someone intentionally

1:00:55

put the branches on the road though

1:00:57

that jason would stop then

1:01:00

he could be and it's

1:01:02

very calculating it is i get

1:01:04

it it's a theory now there's

1:01:07

a lot of things that have to happen you have to assume

1:01:09

that this person's going to stop for

1:01:11

a i don't know the exact

1:01:14

the two ways and maybe these were

1:01:16

very large branches there was no way

1:01:18

you to get around i'm i don't know why

1:01:21

he would be kind of an ingenious way

1:01:25

to create can have a an ambush

1:01:27

scenario for will be less

1:01:29

than a year later in april two thousand and

1:01:32

fourteen large town elementary

1:01:34

school teacher cathy netherlands in

1:01:36

her sixteen year old daughter samantha were

1:01:39

murdered when cathy didn't turn

1:01:41

up for work on april twenty second samantha

1:01:44

miss school the same day a family

1:01:46

member checked on the parents are home and

1:01:49

they found a horrifying

1:01:51

scene mother and daughter had been

1:01:53

tied up and torture happy

1:01:56

had been stabbed and shots samantha

1:01:58

had been badly beaten stabbed

1:02:01

before having her throat

1:02:03

cut cctv footage

1:02:05

sees by police from a location

1:02:07

near the home captured a black chevy

1:02:09

impala i don't think it's known

1:02:12

for sure whether there's a relationship

1:02:14

between that vehicle and and the slayings

1:02:17

it may or may not be linked to the

1:02:20

murders the for a small

1:02:22

town

1:02:23

of less than around thirteen

1:02:25

thousand people at that time the

1:02:27

salon

1:02:28

yeah has a lot of can a bizarre

1:02:31

murders then in july

1:02:33

two thousand and twenty human

1:02:35

remains were discovered by a landowner

1:02:38

close to creek near the border of nelson

1:02:40

in washington county according

1:02:42

to the usa today the

1:02:45

location was not far from

1:02:47

where crystal had been lassie

1:02:49

the evidence was sent to the f b i

1:02:51

and quantico virginia for testing for

1:02:54

months later the after an agonizing

1:02:56

wait for crystals family the

1:02:58

remains were found to belong to

1:03:00

a woman the wasn't crystal

1:03:03

oh man that would be agonizing two that

1:03:06

would be a very fast bomb

1:03:08

for month there thinking

1:03:11

you know is is our daughter in

1:03:13

in heartbreaking right to

1:03:16

have it come back that it's

1:03:18

not heartbreaking that

1:03:20

another woman yes was killed

1:03:22

law enforcement continues to search for evidence

1:03:25

to help them solve crystals disappearance

1:03:28

in the summer of two thousand two thousand the

1:03:30

f b i officially took over the investigation

1:03:33

it remains a multi

1:03:35

disciplinary affair with kentucky

1:03:38

state police the nelson county

1:03:40

sheriff's office and the united states

1:03:42

attorney's office or having input

1:03:45

the into ongoing inquiries into

1:03:47

crystals disappear according

1:03:50

to nbc news around one hundred

1:03:52

and sixty state and federal law enforcement

1:03:54

officers descended on bars town

1:03:57

taxied nine federal search warrants

1:03:59

and conduct more than fifty

1:04:01

interviews south's that

1:04:03

is a lot that's a major operation says

1:04:05

so i mean there's no doubt the mid business

1:04:08

among the location surge was

1:04:10

a storage unit crystal had rented

1:04:13

as well as next house

1:04:15

home investigators also

1:04:17

launched a dedicated website to serve

1:04:19

as a central point of information the

1:04:22

public about the investigation in

1:04:24

august two thousand and twenty and then a year

1:04:26

later and mid two thousand twenty one

1:04:29

the f b i executed to more searches

1:04:32

in the area including the farm

1:04:34

in the home brooks had shared with chris

1:04:37

according to w d r b news

1:04:39

and w l k y news the

1:04:42

i r f also joined the f b

1:04:44

i in searching brooks home after

1:04:46

a ten our search the

1:04:48

arrest agents were seen leaving the property

1:04:50

curing boxes computer hard

1:04:52

drives in gun according

1:04:55

to the courier journal the second

1:04:57

surge was restricted specifically

1:05:00

to two to three homes in

1:05:02

the residential subdivision of woodlawn

1:05:04

springs built by the works

1:05:07

construction come these homes

1:05:09

have been completed after crystal disappear

1:05:11

south's we don't really know any details

1:05:14

about the outcome of

1:05:16

these recent searches the f b

1:05:18

i announced that they recovered several

1:05:21

items of interest from inside

1:05:24

the homes and after

1:05:26

ripping up one of the drive the

1:05:28

we don't know what the items are but

1:05:30

we know that they have been sent away

1:05:32

for forensic tests yeah

1:05:35

now the first thing that really

1:05:38

pops into my head gives is

1:05:41

you have an individual in

1:05:43

brooks who own day construction

1:05:46

company we talked about it right

1:05:48

in the midst of this

1:05:51

search for for crystal

1:05:53

the is completing residential

1:05:56

homes the fact that they dug

1:05:58

up a driveway right the

1:06:00

i think everybody's minds are probably

1:06:02

going to the same place where

1:06:05

better to hide a bot

1:06:07

sir in under a bunch

1:06:09

of thumb for yeah i mean you go back

1:06:12

to the jimmy hoffa theories and

1:06:14

all that other cases were done with axes

1:06:16

had the body attorney serve concrete

1:06:18

bad patios you know

1:06:20

driveways things like that

1:06:23

and and and i you know i saw an article out

1:06:25

there were the f b i this

1:06:27

last month said they feel

1:06:29

that day will solve this case soon

1:06:32

but and you kind of get that feeling yeah

1:06:34

right from the recent developments

1:06:37

there's things that of been sent off for testing

1:06:39

now they're not giving us all the information right

1:06:41

of course not and and rightfully so

1:06:44

what he does see though

1:06:47

this thing is heading towards a resolution

1:06:50

i don't know if this will be unsolved

1:06:52

for all that won't the should

1:06:54

be a great thing the in conjunction

1:06:56

with the most recent surge

1:06:59

the fb i now see twenty five thousand

1:07:01

dollar reward for information leading

1:07:03

to the identification arrest

1:07:06

and conviction of any one responsible

1:07:08

for crystals disappear about

1:07:11

family is also offering a separate ward

1:07:14

for information about families more then

1:07:16

you mention it gives you a it seems

1:07:19

to me though law

1:07:21

enforcement it's pretty cool that

1:07:25

the know what happened to crystal

1:07:28

according to w d r b news

1:07:30

it suspected that something may have

1:07:32

happened to her the farm and

1:07:35

as it is was so many of these cases

1:07:37

that we do it's really now

1:07:39

just a matter of obtaining sufficient

1:07:42

compelling evidence to bring charge

1:07:45

b b i went so far as to tell w

1:07:47

d r b news that law enforcement

1:07:50

doesn't even need to locate crystal's body

1:07:52

for the nelson county prosecutor's

1:07:55

office to bring state and federal charges

1:07:58

the yearns to ever may be response though

1:08:00

they do believe she will eventually

1:08:02

be found i mean

1:08:04

this is something that you and i talk about in

1:08:06

a lot of unsolved cases who

1:08:08

ever murdered crystal yeah and

1:08:11

whoever was involved in

1:08:13

whatever happened to her they gotta

1:08:15

be shaking in their boots a little bit

1:08:17

and actor the be nervous for

1:08:19

sir is no way at this

1:08:21

point did they believe they got away

1:08:23

with the perfect crime here there's too

1:08:25

much going on there's a lotta

1:08:28

he there's a lot of smoke and

1:08:30

i think pretty soon there's gonna be far

1:08:32

yeah i think i think this is this was more than

1:08:34

one person the trying to make a deal

1:08:36

right now you always say right

1:08:39

the first one to make a deal the f

1:08:41

b i also commented that they're

1:08:43

confident the people in the local

1:08:45

community know what happened in

1:08:47

a publicly asked anyone with information

1:08:50

to contact investigators

1:08:52

you back to your point even if you weren't

1:08:54

involved maybe you were involved

1:08:56

after the fact right it's

1:08:59

going to come out sure will

1:09:01

now the perfect time come forward

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say what you know

1:09:05

get your immunity

1:09:07

in and testify against the people

1:09:09

that committed the

1:09:12

the murder or of whatever it is

1:09:14

the f b eyes asking birds town

1:09:16

residents who may have been in the vicinity

1:09:19

of poplar flats road and

1:09:21

form away drive in the early hours

1:09:23

of july fourth two thousand and fifteen

1:09:26

the current act maybe they saw

1:09:29

something they heard something

1:09:31

they don't care how insignificant

1:09:34

the information may be that's

1:09:36

one of the things that you and i talk about quite a bit

1:09:39

he could seem to someone

1:09:41

as though there's no way

1:09:43

that law enforcement would

1:09:45

want to know that i heard

1:09:47

something weird or the you know i

1:09:50

saw something on even know what i saw air

1:09:52

i saw i saw a crew working on july fourth

1:09:55

that in taking worried about occurs i'm sure

1:09:57

they were just trying to get that patio

1:09:59

and well maybe

1:10:02

the construction company said we didn't really work in

1:10:04

that day

1:10:05

that's some it's gonna be something is gonna

1:10:07

make some light bulbs go off yeah i mean

1:10:09

it is it could be something so

1:10:12

little

1:10:13

that i think a lot of people would take

1:10:15

well the police will think i'm done if

1:10:17

i come forward and tell them i don't want

1:10:19

to feel dumb right the could

1:10:21

be the very thing

1:10:24

you know we're allowed them to put

1:10:26

that final piece in their area

1:10:29

in a makes everything else makes him them

1:10:32

gary bauer continues to honor the memory

1:10:34

of her husband and missing daughter

1:10:36

i working hard to get answers about what

1:10:39

happened and why the have any

1:10:41

information on the disappearance of crystal rogers

1:10:43

you can contact the f b i tip line

1:10:46

at one eight hundred to two five

1:10:48

five three two four or visit

1:10:50

w w w dot crystal

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rogers task force dot com

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slash tips to submit

1:10:57

an anonymous tip the

1:11:00

good news we wrap up this case

1:11:02

this is one that a lot of people have been asking

1:11:04

us to do for quite some time

1:11:07

you can throw out a number

1:11:09

of theories in this case as you can

1:11:11

do with any unsolved case

1:11:14

week with this one though i

1:11:16

would say the majority of people only

1:11:19

that the most likely

1:11:21

scenario involves brogues

1:11:24

and his the family yeah

1:11:27

some members of his family i

1:11:29

didn't police believe that and i think

1:11:31

they been working hard to try

1:11:33

to find the evidence to prove

1:11:36

that now the f b

1:11:38

i got involved your these

1:11:40

different agencies got involved the

1:11:42

one thing that is exciting about

1:11:44

this is that there's been so much

1:11:47

recent activity and

1:11:49

i do feel very strongly that

1:11:52

this case that not only

1:11:54

will be solved but move may be solved

1:11:57

fairly quickly yeah it has like some scum

1:12:00

now in in the near future so yes

1:12:02

one to keep an eye on and obviously

1:12:05

it's sad that you a mother five

1:12:07

disappeared the rightfully

1:12:10

so the conclusion

1:12:12

the almost have to be made dead at

1:12:15

this point the dead most

1:12:17

likely murdered right then we're just

1:12:19

gonna have to wait for the

1:12:22

day where law enforcement feels

1:12:24

as though they have enough who

1:12:26

bring about charges but it

1:12:28

will be very interesting the

1:12:30

find out the full story or for

1:12:32

sure you know who was involved

1:12:35

who all played a part in covering

1:12:37

it up i will definitely

1:12:39

be following this case oh

1:12:42

the is that's it for our case

1:12:45

on the disappearance of crystal rodgers

1:12:47

we've got some the most

1:12:49

give you a check those out of yes sir those voice

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mails

1:12:52

mike i'm giving this is kevin from

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idaho is ,

1:12:57

is a year sassy real starters

1:12:59

episode it really good job on

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it he nailed pocatello

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and chavez chavez

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listening to follow your podcast

1:13:09

euro your job is their own time

1:13:11

second thanks bye

1:13:14

it short and sweet but we appreciate the kind

1:13:16

words we do we always do makes

1:13:18

us feel good that people

1:13:20

enjoy the show that they think we do a

1:13:22

good job there are some people that

1:13:25

think we don't and they

1:13:27

let us know those two is inevitably voice

1:13:29

mails though know because i would plan

1:13:32

people probably think all your for he

1:13:34

doesn't play the bad voice mails voice would

1:13:36

those just nuke normally come in the form of email

1:13:39

they do it

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hi david

1:13:43

, intelligent as common

1:13:45

to see if you guys are going to vegas the

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here for a crime kind the

1:13:50

trying to schedule my vacation and

1:13:52

the compound where i won't be

1:13:55

but only if you guys are going to either so there's

1:13:59

no the later the

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growth and take it

1:14:02

you're we will definitely be there we will

1:14:05

we're looking forward to it we probably don't talk

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either going be good time

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the a be is going to bring

1:14:25

a bunch of suitcases cause he's got

1:14:27

different now says he's gonna break

1:14:29

out rex were sees gotta

1:14:31

another our said that he doesn't want to talk

1:14:33

about now yeah

1:14:35

i need a whole suitcase for my furry

1:14:37

suit that's true and so

1:14:40

make vegas is the place to break it out man

1:14:42

then i got to make sure get my seat at the right

1:14:44

table exactly yeah before

1:14:46

you get kicked out are wearing

1:14:49

only ass was chaps in

1:14:51

the casino which i think is a known hey

1:14:53

myron seven i just call them

1:14:56

a minute ago and now i feel bad

1:14:58

because i was pushing ,

1:15:00

episode and i realized

1:15:03

i said i hope you guys ever nice

1:15:05

deserved break but now i realize

1:15:07

that that not really getting a break

1:15:09

guy you guys are very hard

1:15:12

and now i didn't say game sorry

1:15:14

about that on out the other

1:15:16

a nice break from regular season

1:15:18

and season is that means anything

1:15:21

are deployed stayed in absolutely

1:15:23

love to go as far as a drive three

1:15:25

hours or days of work on a

1:15:27

drive all the way the indianapolis and as

1:15:29

a whole and said shut down right now

1:15:31

though as a mazda i wasn't

1:15:33

you guys all day word

1:15:36

a drive home and dry there is

1:15:38

all the time i don't know what i do

1:15:40

those guys aren't as good as the bass

1:15:42

and yeah he groans on second

1:15:45

i appreciate voicemail that will say

1:15:47

we didn't get a complete brag but we got

1:15:50

a pretty big bird

1:15:51

compared two our normal work load

1:15:54

you know i i took two weeks off on

1:15:56

criminology you and i took two

1:15:58

weeks off on t cat we're not taking any

1:16:00

time off on saw but that's still a

1:16:04

heck of a lot last it is as far

1:16:06

as far workloads and so we

1:16:08

you have a lot more time to spend with family

1:16:10

and it's really been good takes a lot off myself

1:16:13

with editing yeah yeah

1:16:15

because i know that editing is really tough on

1:16:17

you

1:16:19

the true crime all the time i just

1:16:21

wanted call because i'm wanted listening

1:16:24

to the regional books episode

1:16:26

and i realized

1:16:29

the you getting with saying the

1:16:31

artificial raspberry flavoring

1:16:33

comes from beaver anal glands

1:16:36

and that's actually artificial

1:16:38

vanilla flavoring true

1:16:41

thing but i'm yeah

1:16:43

if you're getting a artificial vanilla you're

1:16:46

probably getting something from beaver's

1:16:48

booty so just wanted let

1:16:50

you guys know that have that great day

1:16:53

though obviously that was a long time

1:16:55

ago sir there has been a lot

1:16:57

of controversy yeah

1:16:59

the around this some people saying

1:17:02

it's the know us some people saying

1:17:04

it's it's raspberry and others

1:17:06

some people saying it's all of that right and

1:17:08

i know you're sticking with the original statement

1:17:10

the minors the reading something

1:17:12

out of a beavers vocally

1:17:14

smell i kinda like that beaver big step

1:17:18

or i give that is it for

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another episode of true crime all the time

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on solves of for might they gave me stay

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safe and keep your own time taking

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he died it's mainly sit for gas

1:18:05

from melissa gorgon on display

1:18:07

and i am very excited

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to give you a little look ensue episode

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two i'm going to be talking to

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1:18:17

and dave plan as who wrote

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i'm so excited to south you i am

1:18:26

the real to be here melissa and i have to say

1:18:28

you have so much behind

1:18:31

the scenes that happened on the real houses in new

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jersey that you've never spoken about before

1:18:35

so i'm ready to get you to open up about

1:18:38

all those things let's make amends for

1:18:40

the t you didn't spell where

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we talked about because you were so nice

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to everybody and i promise

1:18:46

you melissa i'm i'm i'm not going to

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sing on the slave you over and over again but just

1:18:50

know that in my head right now that's

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was playing on repeat of are fitted

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what else would reply in your head right now

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