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All the Time where we're talking about

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Roderick and Mark Newell, two

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brothers who became suspects

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when their parents disappeared.

3:10

There's a financial component, but

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it's a different type

3:15

of case. There's a

3:17

lot of nuances to

3:20

it. First of all, it took the police

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many years to figure the story

3:24

out. And then even after

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each brother had in

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what ultimately happened to their

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right, buddy. Are you ready to get

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into this episode of True Crime All

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the Time on the Salt? I am.

3:46

We're talking about the murder of Henry

3:49

McCabe. Henry McCabe was

3:51

a loving husband, father, and

3:53

a hardworking employee of the

3:55

Minnesota Department of Revenue after

3:57

a night out with friends celebrating.

4:00

operating Labor Day weekend, Henry was dropped

4:02

off at a gas station. He

4:04

went missing for nearly two months.

4:07

Then his body was found in a

4:09

lake seven miles from where he was

4:12

dropped off. Investigators said

4:14

there was really no evidence of

4:16

foul play. But in the early

4:18

morning hours on the day of his

4:20

disappearance, Henry left his wife and

4:23

brother a disturbing voicemail that

4:26

suggested something was

4:28

wrong and that

4:30

possibly he was attacked and shot.

4:33

His family and friends believe Henry's

4:36

death was not accidental. They

4:38

believe he was murdered. You ever been to

4:40

Minnesota? I don't believe

4:42

I have. And

4:44

if I go, I'm not going to talk like that.

4:47

Why? That's how they're going to talk when you're there. They're

4:50

like, welcome to Minnesota. Because I'm

4:52

going to do it wrong and somebody's going to punch me in

4:54

my face. I've been there once.

4:56

Have you? Yeah. To

4:59

the Twin Cities, was it St. Paul, Minnesota? Minneapolis.

5:02

Is that the Twin Cities? I think so.

5:04

Yeah. Yeah. Used to

5:06

be the home of, what's it, Northwest

5:09

Mortgage or something like that. Is that

5:11

why you were there? I can't

5:13

remember why I was there, to be honest. But I

5:15

did end up going to the Mall of America. Yeah.

5:18

Because there, they were shooting a Mary Kate

5:21

and Ashley movie. I was like, hey, Mary Kate

5:23

and Ashley, how you doing? They didn't take kind of

5:25

that. And they didn't offer you a

5:27

part or anything? No,

5:29

they did not. Is that how you got the restraining order?

5:32

Yeah, maybe. Okay. Yeah.

5:36

All right. So. Henry Toby McCate

5:38

was born on September 16th, 1983. He

5:41

was only 32 years old when

5:43

he died. Henry was originally

5:46

from Liberia. According to

5:48

his profile on Find a Grave, Henry

5:50

moved to Ghana. As a

5:52

teenager and graduated high school there,

5:54

he was elected senior class president.

5:57

Just like you. I

6:01

was not senior class president. That

6:03

would have been responsibility Something

6:06

that I was not a fan of in

6:08

high school took you a very long time to learn that didn't

6:10

it? Yeah Not

6:12

long at all Henry's cousin told

6:15

the Minnesota spokesman recorder that they

6:17

spent years in a refugee camp

6:20

in Ghana Henry was

6:22

seen as a father figure He helped

6:24

people manage money sent in by their

6:26

relatives and advised them not to spend

6:29

excessively Sounds like a

6:31

good guy. Yeah, and you know, that's good

6:33

advice I could not imagine

6:35

what it would be like to live in

6:37

a refugee camp. Well, it's not gonna

6:39

be the four seasons That's for sure. Henry

6:42

moved to the United States in early 2003

6:46

He and his cousin traveled to California

6:48

where Henry lived for several years Henry

6:51

met his future wife Kareen

6:53

Wade in February Kareen

6:57

recalled meeting Henry at a party

6:59

where numerous librarian people were

7:01

in attendance Henry approached

7:04

her and asked for her number

7:06

Kareen said spur per the spokesman

7:09

recorder I would normally give out

7:11

a fake phone number when a

7:13

guy asks, but before I

7:15

knew it I had given him my real

7:17

number and I know that's Something

7:20

that some women have

7:22

to do because they're constantly

7:25

Harassed I know you've

7:27

have so many fake phone numbers

7:30

in your phone that you don't even know

7:32

what's real anymore Eight six

7:34

seven five three. Oh nine. I don't

7:36

know why so many but I got that but

7:38

I understand Why that

7:41

would happen, you know imagine Being

7:45

a woman at a bar and

7:47

you're just being constantly harassed People

7:50

are trying to come up to you. They're trying to talk

7:52

to you You know, that would be

7:54

a nightmare situation for me because I don't

7:56

like to be bothered. Yeah Now

7:58

I would never happen. To me, But

8:00

if I was a woman, Donated.

8:03

I would I would hate it and

8:05

I'm sure a lot of women he

8:07

did as well. and. This. Probably

8:09

so many people coming up to

8:12

them they're not interested in. Know

8:14

they're not interested. You're either going

8:16

to say. No. Can

8:19

have my phone number or here's my phone

8:21

number and it's a. Fake if

8:23

the. Leave me alone. Henry.

8:25

And Corinne gotten married on August

8:28

Six two thousand and forth. They

8:30

were married for eleven years and

8:32

had to.named even I'd. He

8:35

was ten and Id was just

8:37

one. When. Their father.

8:40

Corinne. Said that Henry Toder

8:42

how to cook African food. She.

8:44

Joked that. She. Made him

8:47

skinnier when she practiced cook.

8:50

Prime member The days of teaching your daughter out

8:52

of cook as I know at abuse I totter.

8:54

My. Youngest? Yes, Yes, my oldest never

8:57

was into a but my my

8:59

youngest loves to cook. But.

9:01

When I want to talk about. His.

9:04

Her making him skinnier.

9:07

When. She practiced er cook.

9:09

Something. That I experienced after

9:11

first being married. yeah to

9:13

my wife who could not

9:15

cook a lick when we

9:17

first got married in really

9:19

still can't authorities and snow

9:21

the settings. That

9:24

Nc is in would admit to

9:26

any ones who hates the kurds

9:28

is not as she can't She

9:30

does dislikes it so much and

9:32

to really. Prepare. A

9:34

good does he got a poor little.

9:36

Levin. To do would you like to

9:39

cook? It's it's hard to do that. According

9:42

to the spokesman er quarter she

9:44

said about her husband, he just

9:46

cares about people's needs. Pushing.

9:49

For paid parental leave Cheering

9:51

for those that are oppressed

9:53

and in need material things

9:55

were not Sit. Down.

9:58

With. Think about where he came from. what went

10:00

through to get to the spot

10:02

he's at now. I mean, he saw some things

10:05

and, uh, you know, to, to grow up in a, and

10:08

to live in a refugee camp for awhile, you're

10:10

going without a lot of the things

10:12

that we take for granted. And I

10:14

don't know if that helped shape

10:17

his views. I'm sure it did

10:19

in some part. Maybe he already

10:21

had some of that even

10:23

before that, but you can

10:25

tell by the way

10:27

that Kareem talks about

10:29

Henry. This was a guy who really

10:32

cared about others. Henry

10:35

was determined to build the successful

10:37

life for himself and his family.

10:40

He earned a bachelor of science

10:42

degree in both

10:44

economics and accounting from

10:46

California state university. Henry

10:49

worked in finance. He

10:51

completed an internship and then accounting firm

10:53

in the Bay area in 2009 from

10:55

2010 to 2011. He

11:00

was an independent contractor and

11:03

did insurance premium audits in

11:05

2011. He was

11:07

hired as a financial analyst for

11:09

target. And this is really kind of a, a

11:12

feel good part of the

11:15

story. You know, here's a guy who,

11:17

like you mentioned, living in

11:20

a refugee camp, eventually made

11:22

it to the United States,

11:25

ends up getting two degrees and

11:28

is really making a life for himself.

11:30

He's thriving. Yeah, he's doing very well.

11:33

Henry and his family moved

11:35

from California to Mounds View,

11:37

Minnesota. In early 2012, he

11:39

was hired as a corporate

11:42

auditor for the Minnesota department

11:44

of revenue. Henry enjoyed

11:46

his job and was described as

11:48

friendly and outgoing in the workplace.

11:51

His coworkers remembered him as a loving

11:53

father and someone who was always willing

11:56

to help others. Henry

11:58

liked to socialize during. and

12:00

was known for sharing his food with

12:03

his coworkers. You know who didn't share

12:05

their food with coworkers? You. I

12:08

was gonna say, no one would

12:10

ever say that I was known

12:12

for sharing my food with

12:14

coworkers. I don't like to share

12:16

my food with anyone. I'm a very

12:19

giving person, except for

12:21

when it comes to food and

12:23

beverages. You didn't

12:25

even want people in your office while you ate.

12:28

You would close your door to make

12:30

sure that, you know. That had

12:32

nothing to do with the food. That was

12:34

just because I didn't wanna talk to anybody. Oh.

12:37

Henry enjoyed discussing politics with

12:39

other people. It was said

12:41

that he had an open

12:43

mind and was interested in

12:45

local and international issues. You

12:48

really get the feeling that Henry

12:51

was a good guy. He

12:53

was a caring, individual, open-minded,

12:58

willing to help people in need.

13:01

He sounds like a great dude. Yeah,

13:03

well-rounded. Brian Church, Deputy

13:06

Commissioner of the Minnesota Department of

13:08

Revenue said about Henry, "'It

13:10

is really striking in that short

13:13

time "'the impact Henry had.

13:15

"'If you're greeted by Henry in the morning,

13:18

"'you're greeted by an unforgettable

13:20

smile. "'He would cook and share

13:22

with people around him. "'People just

13:25

like to hang out with Henry.' "'It

13:27

was Henry's magnetism that

13:29

makes him a natural leader." And

13:32

I know I've said this before, maybe not exactly

13:34

in this way. But when you're

13:37

in, let's say, an

13:39

office environment, there are some

13:41

people with whom you

13:43

want to socialize, and

13:45

there are others, and I'll say

13:47

it delicately, that you

13:49

don't, and maybe go

13:51

out of your way to avoid. Yeah,

13:55

because maybe they're negative all

13:57

the time. You know they're not gonna have it.

14:00

anything nice to say. They're just

14:02

not fun to be around.

14:04

So why be around them, right? Yeah,

14:07

people are drawn to magnetic

14:10

people with good

14:12

personalities who share and help

14:14

others. That's just a fact.

14:17

Now to be fair, I will say, back

14:19

in the days when you were in the office, people

14:21

were drawn to you. I have

14:24

a very magnetic personality. You had

14:26

something. That's all I can say. In

14:29

early 2015, Henry participated

14:32

in the search for

14:34

10-year-old Barway Collins, a

14:36

boy who went missing in the nearby city

14:38

of Crystal, Minnesota. Collins disappeared

14:41

on March 18,

14:44

2015. His family reported that he went missing after

14:47

the bus dropped him off at his home,

14:49

where he lived with his father. Collins's

14:51

body was found in the Mississippi

14:53

River. On April 11, his

14:56

feet and torso were wrapped in duct

14:58

tape. His father, Pierre Collins,

15:01

was charged with the murder and

15:03

pleaded guilty in August 2015. He

15:06

was sentenced to 40 years in prison.

15:08

Henry McKay disappeared a month

15:11

later. And I think, you

15:13

know, Gibbs, as we walk

15:15

through this case, we're

15:17

going to have to see if that could

15:20

possibly mean anything. Could

15:22

there be a possible connection there, or

15:25

is it just a coincidence that

15:27

he was helping with the search of

15:30

this missing boy and then he

15:32

himself went missing just a month

15:35

later? He's also found in the water. Henry

15:38

went missing on Labor Day, September

15:40

7, 2015.

15:43

After a night out with the Queenses, his

15:45

wife, Corinne, took the girls

15:47

to California to visit their grandmother.

15:49

So Henry was home alone that

15:52

weekend. And every now and then,

15:54

I get a weekend like that. And

15:57

sometimes those are nice. Very

16:00

quickly, I miss my wife, I miss

16:02

my girls, but it's nice to

16:04

have the house to yourself every now and then.

16:07

Well, you tell me all

16:09

the time when that happens. The pizza

16:11

guy starts showing up, you

16:13

have more of like a continuous

16:15

cycle where they're bringing the pizza.

16:17

Just bring me a pizza every four hours.

16:19

Yeah. Henry was out

16:21

with an acquaintance named William Kennedy

16:24

and another unnamed individual. According

16:26

to Kennedy, they rode to

16:29

the club together. They left

16:31

a club called Pavliski's on

16:33

Highway 65 in

16:35

Spring Lake Park early on September 7th.

16:39

Kennedy said that at around 2.15 a.m.

16:42

he dropped Henry off

16:44

in nearby Fridley, Minnesota

16:47

at a Super America gas station on

16:49

73rd Avenue. Minutes

16:52

later at 2.23 a.m., Henry

16:55

called his wife and left a

16:57

disturbing voicemail. He also called his

16:59

brother, Tim Borbor, who received

17:02

a similar voicemail. While

17:04

it's difficult to understand what's going

17:06

on, his wife and brother

17:08

believe Henry was in distress. When he

17:10

called them, it seemed like it

17:12

was possible it could have been a pocket

17:15

doll. So we're going to

17:18

play the voicemail now and

17:20

then we'll discuss it. All

17:23

right, girls. Prettyong

17:25

bad news, Mr. Administrative Chief?

17:27

Unbelievable! The

17:31

Galileo program,

17:33

the five-year

17:43

program there- summarize

17:46

it. Aghh! So

19:27

that voicemail is about two minutes long.

19:30

It's very hard to figure

19:32

out what is happening.

19:35

The sound quality is not great, but

19:37

that could be because maybe the

19:39

phone is in his pocket or

19:42

something like that. It

19:44

does sound like there's growling

19:47

sounds. I

19:50

mean, some of that is something

19:52

that you might hear

19:54

in a scary movie where somebody's

19:56

possessed. That's what it almost sounded

19:58

like to me. And then

20:00

at a certain point, it does

20:02

sound as though maybe somebody

20:05

is moaning in pain. There's

20:07

pained sounds. And

20:09

then at a certain point, I

20:12

heard somebody say, stop it. In

20:15

her account to the spokesman recorder,

20:18

Karen said she heard her husband

20:20

screaming. She thought she

20:22

heard Henry say someone shot him.

20:25

I thought maybe there was something like that, but it

20:27

was a little hard to make out. And

20:29

then she said she heard him

20:31

shout, stop it before the call ended. Karen

20:34

said he was walking and

20:36

his cell phone called me and he

20:38

made a noise as if he was

20:40

hurt and his cell phone went off. And

20:43

that was the last time I heard

20:45

of him. I think it's hard to figure

20:47

out what is going on. I mean, one

20:50

point I thought, well, is he just intoxicated? And

20:52

I thought, okay,

20:54

sounds like maybe he's possessed.

20:58

And then I thought, okay, now it kind

21:00

of sounds like he's struggling or

21:03

something's going on and that

21:05

you hear that growl and

21:08

that other noises that were coming

21:10

out of him. Some of

21:12

it didn't even sound human. No, it

21:14

didn't. Natural. No. And

21:17

I think that's what made it

21:19

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Corinne told the local outlet KSTP

22:21

that she tried to picture where

22:23

Henry was and what circumstances would

22:25

have caused such distress. Corinne

22:28

called Henry's brother, Tim, to tell

22:30

him what happened when Tim

22:32

listened to the voicemail on his phone.

22:35

He thought he heard Henry crying. Tim

22:38

reported Henry missing to the Mounds View

22:40

Police Department. I will say, you

22:42

know, his wife heard this. His

22:45

brother heard it. The two people that know him

22:47

the best, right? Know what he

22:49

sounds like. Know what

22:52

he would sound like if he was hurt more

22:54

so than anybody else. Yeah.

22:57

I mean, you kind of, kind of taken

22:59

a little bit of consideration on how they

23:01

interpret it. Now, what we

23:03

listened to, I believe was the voicemail that

23:06

his wife got. Yeah. I

23:09

couldn't actually find the voicemail that his

23:12

brother got. But I think

23:14

if you're either Corinne or

23:17

Tim, you're very concerned.

23:19

I mean, I think anyone who

23:21

would get something like that or

23:24

hear something like that and believe

23:26

it's from their loved one, there's

23:28

no possible way you couldn't be concerned.

23:31

That either that person is going through

23:34

something or something really bad

23:36

has happened to them. Yeah.

23:39

Henry didn't show up to work. On

23:41

September 8th, 2015, after

23:44

the police launched their investigation, the

23:46

Minnesota Community Policing Services

23:49

or MCPS got involved and

23:52

started working with the family. The

23:54

MCPS is a nonprofit that

23:56

acts as a mediator between

23:58

families and law. enforcement.

24:01

Sounds like a good service to have. Yeah,

24:03

because sometimes you do

24:05

need someone to

24:08

facilitate or you know

24:10

mediate between the two

24:12

parties. Henry's two acquaintances who

24:15

were with him at the club

24:17

had no knowledge of his current

24:19

whereabouts. However, according to

24:21

the spokesman recorder, William

24:23

Kennedy had Henry's key and

24:25

the unnamed friend had Henry's

24:28

wallet. Okay, if that is

24:30

true and the spokesman

24:32

recorder said that, that

24:35

is strange. Yeah,

24:37

I find it bizarre too that somebody has his

24:39

keys and somebody has his wallet. Well,

24:41

you could make the argument that you

24:44

know if Henry had driven

24:46

to the club, well maybe

24:48

his friend took his keys

24:50

because he wanted to make sure he didn't

24:53

drive. But in the reporting

24:55

it said they all rode to the

24:57

club together. So I don't know

24:59

that that was the case. Maybe

25:02

the other friend took the wallet because

25:04

he didn't want Henry to buy any more drinks.

25:06

Yeah, I mean you can make

25:09

some arguments but then you have to look

25:11

at the flip side. You're going

25:13

to turn somebody loose at

25:15

the Super America with

25:18

no wallet. Okay, you're limiting

25:20

their options of what

25:23

they can do. Also, how's he

25:25

planning to get home from the Super

25:27

America? Exactly. Karen told investigators

25:29

she was contacted by one of

25:31

Henry's friends who said he was

25:33

at a club in Spring Lake

25:35

Park on September 6th and

25:37

was dropped off at a gas station

25:40

after 2 a.m. on September 7th. In

25:43

his police interview, William Kennedy

25:45

said he and the unnamed friend

25:48

took Henry's wallet to try

25:50

to stop him from buying more drinks because

25:53

he was very intoxicated. According

25:56

to a search warrant, after

25:58

they left the club, William and Henry

26:00

got into Williams car. He

26:02

was going to take Henry home, but

26:05

Henry asked to be dropped off at

26:07

the Super America gas station and freely

26:09

instead. So,

26:11

you know, that does kind of

26:13

go along with your theory. Hey,

26:15

we got to figure out how to keep this

26:17

guy from buying more drinks. If

26:20

that story is to be believed,

26:23

and it also answers the question, at

26:25

least on the part of William Kennedy, well, why didn't

26:27

you take the guy home? Yeah,

26:31

why stop there. And according

26:34

to William, it's because that's where

26:36

Henry wanted to go. But why

26:38

would he want to go there? He's not going to be

26:40

able to do anything. He's not

26:42

going to be able to buy anything.

26:44

Maybe because he drank so much, he

26:47

didn't realize that they had taken his

26:49

wallet. Yeah. I mean, look, it's

26:51

fun to hang around. I'll Frank the tank for a

26:53

little bit, but oh,

26:55

it can get old real quick. Yeah. I've

26:57

been on both sides of it. Oh, I know.

27:01

The local police volunteers in

27:03

the Minnesota community policing services

27:05

initiated search efforts. There were

27:07

multiple searches, but none of them

27:10

proved fruitful. Based

27:12

on statements, the Mounds View police believed

27:14

Henry was given a ride and dropped

27:16

off at the Super America on

27:19

73rd Avenue north of Fridley.

27:23

Officers requested surveillance video

27:25

to try to determine Henry's whereabouts.

27:28

They were also waiting information from Henry's

27:30

cell phone provider to track his

27:32

phone on the night of his disappearance.

27:35

And to me, those would be two

27:38

very logical places to

27:40

start. And you think there definitely would be

27:42

some video from the

27:44

gas station. Yes. And

27:47

they should be able to track him using

27:49

his phone. A search warrant

27:52

filed in the Ramsey County District

27:54

Court states that Henry is

27:57

heard yelling, screaming and making

27:59

noises. in the strange voicemail

28:01

from September 7th. And

28:04

I think all of that is true. Making

28:07

noises is a

28:09

pretty broad category because

28:11

those were some very strange,

28:13

some of them strange

28:15

noises. Oh, it is very hard for

28:18

me to decipher what was going on.

28:21

Mounds View Police Chief Tom Kenny

28:23

later said, investigators were

28:25

unable to make any definite

28:28

conclusions about the disturbing voicemail

28:30

per ABC. And I

28:32

don't know how they could. I mean,

28:34

you could listen to that thing a thousand

28:36

times. It's going to be

28:39

hard to make anything out of

28:41

it. Yeah, I don't even know if an

28:43

expert could figure it out. Well,

28:45

the audio was sent to the FBI for

28:48

further analysis and cleaning up. Investigators

28:51

listed other factors in the search

28:53

warrant. The warrant stated that Henry

28:55

didn't have much money and

28:57

bounced a rent check before his

28:59

disappearance. He was reportedly having trouble

29:02

at work and received a bad

29:04

review. None of those are good signs.

29:07

No, not when somebody disappears.

29:10

Now, what do they really mean

29:12

though? Okay, you bounced

29:15

a rent check. Plenty of people

29:17

have done that. Plenty of

29:19

people have run short on money. Plenty

29:22

of people have had trouble at work

29:24

and received a bad review. Yeah,

29:26

and in most cases, they turn

29:28

it around and bounce back. Sure, but

29:31

you probably look at those a

29:33

little differently in the context of

29:36

someone going missing. You're trying

29:38

to figure out, does that

29:40

have anything to do with it?

29:43

Any of that stuff. Yeah, is it a driving

29:45

factor? Yeah. As the days

29:47

passed, Henry didn't access his bank

29:49

account. He also didn't reach out

29:51

to his family, friends, or employer.

29:54

So he didn't have his wallet either. That

29:56

is true, but I think you brought

29:59

it up on this. weeks, true crime all

30:01

the time episode. It

30:03

just never seems to be a

30:06

good sign, right? When

30:08

someone goes missing and

30:11

there's no activity on

30:13

the financial side of things, what

30:16

are you to make of that? People need money

30:19

to subsist. So

30:21

either they have a lot of cash

30:24

in their pocket or something bad happened to

30:26

them. Another search was conducted on

30:28

September 19th, 2015 near the Super

30:32

America gas station in Fridley. Teams

30:35

searched the area between the gas

30:37

station and Henry's home, which is

30:40

approximately a 35 minute walk.

30:43

They were checking potential routes

30:45

Henry might have taken if

30:48

he decided to walk home. And to

30:50

me, that makes it even stranger

30:53

that he would want to be dropped

30:55

off at the Super America, you know,

30:58

you've been out partying,

31:00

you're intoxicated. Who

31:02

wants to take a 2

31:05

a.m. 35

31:07

minute walk home? Yeah, I don't

31:09

think anybody would want to, but maybe he

31:11

was like, drop me off here. I'm

31:14

going to go in and get me a six pack or

31:16

a, you know, a 40 ounce

31:18

or something like that, and I'm going to drink

31:20

it on the way home or have it when

31:23

I get home. Yeah, that could be. Maybe

31:25

he wanted one of those Super America hot dogs, you

31:27

know. Well, let's face it. We

31:30

don't always make the

31:32

best decision when we're

31:35

intoxicated. That is true. Very true.

31:38

And something that would make no sense

31:40

to you if you were stone cold

31:42

sober might make perfect

31:44

sense at 2 a.m.

31:47

When you're pretty drunk. Been

31:49

there a few times. And I know there's people

31:51

listening saying the same thing. Oh

31:54

yeah. Remember that one time. That made sense

31:57

at the time. At the time. But we

31:59

don't know. you know how

32:01

that factors into Henry's case. You

32:03

know, if he was pretty

32:06

intoxicated, it was just

32:08

not thinking as clearly as

32:10

he normally did. And that very well

32:13

could be. Karen told the spokesman

32:15

recorder on the day of the search,

32:17

the children are in California right now with

32:20

my mother and I wanted them to be

32:22

stable. I just tried to stay

32:24

focused. I tried to keep my mind

32:26

focused on finding him and making

32:28

sure he is OK. Hey, I

32:31

think that's a perfect response. Yeah,

32:34

and I was thinking it seemed like a

32:36

pretty smart thing to do, right?

32:38

If you have somebody to watch the

32:41

kids, leave them in California

32:43

because you need to devote

32:45

all of your energy to finding

32:48

your husband. And you can't

32:50

do that if you're going to have to care for your

32:52

children. At the same time, it's

32:54

going to be difficult. Henry's coworker,

32:57

Akia Carrington, told news

32:59

outlet KARE11, this

33:01

is a crisis. Henry

33:04

is not the type of person to not show

33:06

up to work or to

33:08

not show up to his community

33:10

functions or his union functions. He's

33:13

always around, always there. He's

33:15

that friendly face that you would see in

33:18

the crowd, someone who would make you feel

33:20

at home and welcome. And this

33:22

is something that we hear about a

33:24

lot of people. When you

33:26

have someone who is extremely

33:28

dependable, the fact that

33:30

they miss something, they

33:33

don't show up to something, that

33:35

is a huge red flag to

33:37

people who know them because that's just

33:39

not who they are. It's not what they

33:41

do. The one thing I'm wondering

33:44

is, you're hearing all these great things

33:47

about him at work. I just find it

33:49

a little strange that he got a bad review.

33:52

Yeah, I was curious about that as

33:54

well. It could be that his

33:57

coworkers love him, think

33:59

he's great. But maybe

34:01

there was something else going on where his

34:03

performance wasn't as good as it had been

34:06

before I don't know, but

34:08

it did seem strange. Yeah, and

34:10

I think it's a question to ask, you know, how

34:12

does it play into? His

34:15

disappearance if it had anything to do with it at

34:17

all Investigators soon

34:19

learned that William Kennedy statement

34:22

about where he dropped Henry off was

34:24

not accurate When the police

34:26

checked security footage from the Super

34:28

America gas station his car was

34:30

not seen Kennedy said he might

34:32

have dropped Henry off at a different

34:35

gas station. Okay, that's a problem It

34:38

does seem to be a problem and

34:40

and here's why I don't

34:42

know how much this guy had to

34:44

drink Hopefully not much at

34:46

all because he was the one Driving

34:49

I would think that if

34:51

you found out the next day that

34:54

your friend was missing Where

34:56

you dropped him off would be? Set

34:59

pretty concretely in your mind. Yeah, you

35:01

would hope right? This is the time

35:03

that I dropped him off This is

35:05

where I dropped him off now the

35:07

time I see, you know that as

35:09

maybe fluctuating a little

35:11

bit but the location

35:14

that Seems like it

35:16

would be something pretty easy to

35:18

recall and we're not talking six years

35:21

later, right? That would be

35:23

different according to Fox 9 Surveillance

35:27

video showed that Henry was dropped

35:29

off at a holiday gas station

35:31

off Central Avenue and Hackman Avenue

35:33

in Fridley early on

35:36

September 7th however According

35:38

to the Twin Cities Pioneer Press

35:41

and the Minnesota spokesman recorder when

35:44

authorities reviewed the security footage From

35:47

various gas stations in the area. None

35:49

of them captured Kennedy's vehicle.

35:52

Okay, this is kind of Shifting a

35:54

little bit. Yeah, so Investigators

35:57

Decided to look into will You?

36:00

Kennedy's story Further, would you know

36:02

they have to do So far

36:04

it hasn't checked that yen to

36:06

you can verify what he's saying

36:08

actually occurred. Course. You get to

36:10

keep checking it out because otherwise it looks very

36:12

suspicious. Well. Looks suspicious

36:14

because. The biggest party

36:17

your story. Is where you

36:19

dropped him off. And now

36:21

they're saying that can't be

36:23

true. In Mountain. You

36:25

Police Chief Tom Kenny told the

36:28

Twin Cities Pioneer Press bad piece

36:30

of information. Isn't. So

36:32

one hundred percent that we

36:34

can discount his verse. There.

36:36

Are technical thing. For. Example:

36:39

if there's a problem with the surveillance

36:41

system or if the car just isn't

36:43

captured on camera. Does. That

36:45

mean they were never there. says.

36:47

He is one of others associated

36:50

with Mr. Mccabe that we need

36:52

to establish their past that night.

36:55

And a D C is making a good.

36:57

Point. You. The absence

36:59

of something. Doesn't. Always

37:02

mean. The. Same as

37:04

the presence of something. It's

37:07

and make sense says. If.

37:09

You saw his vehicle. Vote

37:12

for. Sure he was there. But.

37:14

Not seeing the vehicle on camera.

37:17

Does. It one hundred percent.

37:20

Mean that he couldn't have been

37:22

there that night. Know could he

37:24

have pulled? then. To. A

37:26

spot that. He a wasn't covered

37:28

by it's him. Again, not knowing

37:30

the camera lay out in the coverage

37:33

than and all that. But

37:35

it's. Possible there and boozer.

37:37

Can. He did say that's William Kennedy

37:39

was not a person of interest in

37:41

his statement was one of many being

37:44

investigated. At. One point, he went

37:46

with investigators to show them where

37:48

he dropped Henry off. So it's

37:50

not like this guy was not

37:52

being cooperatives. He. Was. While.

37:55

The police body just wasn't being honest.

37:57

The. i do believe they they thought that Now

38:00

you have Chief Kenny coming out and

38:02

saying he's not 100% on that.

38:06

But you would have to say it doesn't look great. Henry's

38:10

phone data confirmed that he was

38:12

in Spring Lake Park and Fiddly.

38:15

However, the last ping, which occurred

38:17

around the time he left the

38:19

mysterious voicemail, indicated he

38:21

may have been near Creekview Park

38:24

in New Brighton, Minnesota. New

38:26

Brighton is about 7 miles from

38:29

Fiddly, where Kennedy said he

38:31

dropped Henry off. Well,

38:33

7 miles is a pretty good distance

38:35

to walk on foot. Yeah, it's a

38:37

lot farther than I'm comfortable walking,

38:41

totally sober. It's definitely not

38:43

something I would want to do at 2, 3

38:46

o'clock in the morning after I've

38:49

been drinking. And I would think it

38:51

would take a couple hours to walk that? Yeah,

38:54

I don't know exactly. That sounds pretty

38:57

reasonable, but I would also think

38:59

it might take even longer if you were

39:01

drunk. You might be stumbling a

39:04

little bit. You might go

39:06

the wrong way at a certain point in time.

39:08

Or you're not walking a straight line. You're not

39:10

walking a straight line, that's for sure. Phone

39:14

records showed Henry's phone made three

39:16

calls after he was last seen

39:18

per the Twin Cities Pioneer Press.

39:21

The press noted that William Kennedy

39:23

could not be reached for comment.

39:26

And you can make of that what

39:28

you will. You know, a lot of

39:30

times you see that in a documentary where

39:34

there are less than flattering things said

39:36

about an individual. And at the end

39:38

it says this person would

39:40

not return our phone calls or could not be

39:42

reached for comment. Yeah, I'm sure those

39:45

individuals just want this to go away. Whatever

39:48

it's around, right? In this case, William

39:52

probably just, can this just go away?

39:54

All I did was give a guy a drive to a

39:57

gas station. Well, if that's what he

39:59

did. Yeah, or it could just

40:01

be that he didn't feel like talking to the paper But

40:04

there are some people who

40:06

would look at that and say well, this

40:09

guy has something to hide True

40:11

if not, then why would

40:13

you not talk to the press and

40:16

another angle on that is maybe his attorney said?

40:18

Hey, don't say nothing to

40:20

anybody. It's not in your best interest According

40:24

to the spokesman recorder Henry's phone

40:26

was never turned back on after

40:28

it disconnected on September

40:30

7th 2015

40:33

and I think you know just like the not

40:36

accessing His bank account

40:39

that's not a good sign either There

40:41

were two searches in late September

40:44

one search team checked the area around Pavlitzky's

40:47

Club on highway 65 one

40:50

of the locations where Henry was last seen

40:53

Volunteers also searched around the

40:55

New Brighton neighborhood park in

40:57

New Brighton Where a pair

41:00

of black gloves was found during an

41:02

earlier search? David Singleton

41:04

the chief executive officer of

41:06

Minnesota Community Policing Services said

41:09

the search would continue around Silver

41:12

Lake Road and Mississippi Street

41:14

near the park where Henry's

41:16

phone picked but another

41:18

month passed with no answers

41:21

on November 2nd 2015

41:24

Henry McCabe's body was found in

41:26

Rush Lake in New Brighton,

41:28

Minnesota a person kayaking

41:30

in the lake found the body and called

41:32

the police at 4 30 p.m the

41:35

body was found about four minutes from

41:38

a previous search area and minutes

41:41

from Henry's home in

41:43

Mounds View again, it

41:45

was about seven miles from where he

41:47

was Allegedly dropped

41:49

off in Fridley and

41:51

here's yet another example of

41:53

you know someone out Having

41:56

fun going about their day Doing

41:59

a little comedy I'm kayaking and they

42:02

stumble upon a dead body. I

42:05

just cannot imagine what

42:07

that does to a person. You

42:09

didn't have anything to do with it. You didn't

42:11

do anything wrong. Still going to

42:13

shake you up. It has to. I just wonder

42:15

how long it stays with you. It

42:18

haunts you and I'm sure it varies

42:21

person to person. What

42:23

I don't think is someone sees that and goes, oh, there's

42:26

another body. Yeah, it's

42:28

going to be an event that

42:30

you'll never forget. Earlier

42:33

that day before Henry's body

42:35

was found, David Singleton

42:37

from the MCPS said they

42:40

cut ties with Kareen McCabe.

42:42

They'd had a shaky relationship for the

42:45

past few weeks. Singleton

42:47

alleged there were inconsistencies

42:50

regarding Henry's disappearance.

42:53

And I thought this was

42:55

a very interesting statement. Remember,

42:57

this guy works for this

42:59

agency that's supposed to be

43:03

kind of the mediator between

43:05

the family and the police. And

43:08

he is saying we've

43:11

cut ties with the

43:13

wife. And he's alleging

43:15

that there were inconsistencies. Now

43:18

he doesn't come right out and say

43:20

that the inconsistencies are on her part,

43:22

but you kind of have to

43:24

put it together that way, don't you? I

43:27

would think so. Or else, why

43:29

cut ties? So does that

43:31

make either her or the police look bad? Or

43:33

is it just one of those

43:36

situations where no one's going

43:38

to be able to help smooth things over? So

43:40

there's no reason for them to be involved. What

43:43

the time, you know, he didn't

43:45

come out and say what the

43:47

inconsistencies were. So it's a little

43:50

hard to figure out. Are

43:52

these inconsistencies on

43:55

the part of Kareem and

43:58

the statements that she's made? It

44:01

makes it seem that way or

44:03

else why cut ties. The

44:05

other question I have is, are

44:07

these inconsistencies that would then

44:09

possibly put her on police

44:12

radar? The police weren't sure how

44:14

long Henry's body had been in the lake,

44:16

but it appeared that it had been there

44:18

for a while based on

44:21

decomposition. Henry's body

44:23

was officially identified on November 3rd.

44:26

The Mounds View Police Department issued a

44:28

statement. At this time, the

44:30

death does not appear to be suspicious,

44:33

but the cause of death

44:35

is still undetermined pending toxicology

44:37

results. The police department

44:39

wishes to thank the numerous volunteers

44:41

involved during search efforts the last

44:43

several weeks. Kind of a

44:46

generic statement, right? It is. Now,

44:48

depending on the decomposition,

44:51

could they tell that

44:54

there was no gunshot wound, there

44:56

was no knife wound? There was

44:58

nothing on the outside

45:00

of the body that would make it

45:03

seem as though he was

45:05

murdered. And therefore, what

45:07

they are waiting on are the

45:10

toxicology reports to see what's in

45:12

his system. But I don't

45:14

know that for sure. It's the way

45:16

it makes it sound. David Singleton

45:18

from the MCPS said, as

45:20

quoted by the spokesman recorder,

45:23

he doesn't appear that

45:25

he will come here to Rush

45:27

Lake on his own. It appears

45:29

that someone has brought him to this location.

45:33

Individuals probably would have been aware of this

45:35

location or tracked it some type of

45:37

way. It's not a

45:39

location that you can get to easily just

45:41

off the main street. Based on

45:43

the evidence we have, we believe

45:45

he was not brought here on

45:48

his own free will. And isn't that

45:50

a little bit different than what

45:52

the police are saying? Well, I think

45:54

it's different from the

45:56

standpoint of the police say

45:59

the death doesn't appear to be

46:01

suspicious, this guy saying he

46:04

wasn't brought there of his own

46:07

free will, then that

46:09

leads you to believe that there

46:11

was something suspicious about his death.

46:14

Now, I think from the police

46:16

viewpoint, they're looking more

46:18

at maybe the body

46:22

than they are the location. Yeah, I

46:24

think that's a fair assessment. And

46:26

maybe at the time, they didn't

46:29

want to say more because the

46:31

toxicology results were still pending.

46:34

But let's really break down what this guy is

46:36

saying, right? This is not a

46:39

place or an area, at

46:41

least to him, that he thought

46:44

Henry McCabe would have walked

46:46

to voluntarily. Maybe

46:48

somebody gave him a

46:50

ride as he was walking that

46:53

direction and tried to

46:55

mug him, rob him. Were they

46:57

going to rob? Well, they didn't know though,

46:59

right? Oh, that he didn't have his wallet? Yeah, I

47:01

mean, I'm sure we'll get

47:03

into theories, but that's

47:05

possible. The problem with a case

47:08

like this is there's a lot of things that

47:10

are possible. Over 100

47:12

people attended a vigil for Henry

47:14

later that month. His

47:16

mother, who lives in Liberia, spoke to

47:19

the spokesman recorder over the phone. She

47:21

wanted to know what happened to Henry and

47:24

stated, someone killed my son.

47:27

And we've actually had this in a number of episodes

47:31

recently. And the same

47:33

thing in the Rebecca Correa case

47:35

where people were notified

47:37

that their loved one was killed, but

47:40

they're in a completely different country. That's

47:43

got to be so difficult. Yeah, it must be a

47:45

very, very helpless feeling. But she's

47:47

also not mincing words. She

47:49

firmly believes someone killed

47:52

her son. Pastor Marie Van

47:54

said at the vigil, per the

47:56

spokesman recorder, Henry was

47:58

not an isolated In

48:00

the middle of the dark Henry had

48:02

a life Henry had a family He

48:04

had children and he had a mother

48:07

Henry had brothers Henry had

48:09

friends before Henry died He

48:12

was pleading to someone who dropped him in

48:14

the dark Henry paid for

48:16

you to learn the lesson when

48:19

he got off from that car and

48:21

that morning He had no idea that

48:23

he was going to die. I want you

48:25

to go and tell Henry's friends We're

48:28

not accusing them, but we're

48:30

disappointed in them. Well,

48:32

I hate when people are disappointed with me Yeah,

48:35

I do too. I'd almost rather

48:37

somebody be upset or mad at me. Yeah

48:40

Disappointed is a tough

48:42

emotion. It was when I was a kid.

48:45

Nobody wants your parents to be disappointed

48:47

with you No, no, not at

48:49

all. Just go ahead and get the

48:51

switch and get it over with but

48:53

don't be disappointed But I

48:55

really want to go back to you know

48:58

what this pastor said we're

49:00

disappointed in Henry's friends but

49:03

we're not accusing them disappointed

49:05

why because they Dropped

49:08

him off at some gas station That

49:11

can't be proven and

49:13

allowed him to Walk

49:16

home instead of just driving

49:18

him home, you know Forcing

49:20

the issue. No, we're gonna drive you

49:22

home We're gonna take you where you can

49:25

just walk up to your door You know, you're

49:27

safe and I think it's a

49:29

good point, you know, I get it This

49:32

guy comes out and says Henry wanted

49:34

to go to super America Hey,

49:36

I've had friends who wanted to do a lot of

49:39

things that Didn't make sense

49:42

and I think you can Make

49:44

an argument that if

49:46

this person is your friend It's

49:49

kind of incumbent on you in that

49:51

situation When

49:53

you know that they're intoxicated to

49:56

help them out in making the

49:58

right decision and like You said maybe

50:00

even forcing the issue if you have to.

50:03

I know you wanted to go to super America, bud,

50:05

but that's not what we're

50:07

doing. I'm driving you home and I'm

50:10

going to watch you walk in the front

50:12

door so that I know you're safe. Yeah.

50:15

I mean, if they're that intoxicated, I mean,

50:17

just roll right past the gas station.

50:20

They probably won't even know. Yeah. They want to know where

50:22

you can say, Oh, shoot, they're close. Even

50:24

though everyone knows that super America is open 24

50:26

hours a day. Well, you know, maybe

50:28

you can get it past them. I don't

50:30

want to put too much on these people. Obviously,

50:33

if they didn't have anything to do with it, if they had something to

50:35

do with it, we'll put everything on

50:37

them. But we don't know that

50:40

to be the case. So I don't

50:42

want to hammer them too

50:44

hard, but I think you can

50:46

make that argument that that would

50:49

have been the better course

50:51

of action. Does it make them

50:53

bad people because they didn't? It's

50:56

hard to argue that. Or

50:58

does that make them responsible for his death?

51:00

It's really hard to argue that. Just

51:02

maybe a bad judgment call. Yeah. You could have

51:04

made a better one. Henry's

51:07

wife, Kareen said, until

51:09

the police walked to my door, I

51:11

was certain he was alive. I want

51:13

him to be. She noted that

51:15

her daughters would have to experience

51:18

Thanksgiving and Christmas without their father.

51:21

Yeah. I think when you hear things

51:23

like that, it really brings it home.

51:25

Number one is heartbreaking for

51:28

a wife, for children

51:30

to lose a husband, father.

51:34

Then you start thinking about, okay,

51:37

the first Thanksgiving, the first

51:39

Christmas, the anniversary, the

51:41

birthday. There's so many

51:43

events in our lives. Sure. Yeah.

51:47

That he's not going to be at any more. The

51:50

first time and then every year after.

51:53

A friend of Henry's pointed out to

51:55

the spokesman recorder that he

51:57

couldn't have driven to the lake where his body

51:59

was. And we talked about it, right?

52:01

He didn't have his keys with him and he

52:04

was driven by his friend that night.

52:07

So my thought was that even if he made it

52:09

home, he couldn't have gotten into his

52:11

car and driven and they would have found

52:13

it anyway. Absolutely. Other

52:15

people at the vigil expressed their belief that

52:18

Henry was put in the water on November

52:21

19th, the new Brighton

52:23

department of public safety announced that

52:25

Henry's cause of death was

52:27

probable drowning in fresh water.

52:30

The Ramsey County medical examiner found

52:33

no signs of trauma or

52:35

foul play. And I understand

52:37

what they're saying. If

52:40

you don't find any signs, you don't find any signs.

52:42

But here's the thing to me

52:45

with drowning. Could you

52:47

drown someone who was extremely

52:50

intoxicated and there

52:52

would virtually probably not be any

52:54

sign of it

52:57

that somebody else made it happen?

52:59

And my thought is, yeah, I agree with you.

53:01

It could occur that way. If

53:04

you held somebody's head under

53:06

the water, what marks would

53:08

you leave? What evidence would

53:10

you leave that would support

53:12

a theory of homicide? Yeah,

53:15

I think you're right there. You

53:17

could apply some pressure to

53:20

someone's head, hold them underneath water and no

53:23

one would know that. Well, and depending

53:25

on how intoxicated a person

53:28

was, they may not be

53:30

able to put up the same type

53:33

of struggle, the same type of fight

53:35

that they would if they were sober. But

53:38

if you're a medical examiner, you have

53:41

to go with the facts. Yeah, just

53:44

the facts, Jack. Yeah, and the facts

53:46

are that there were no

53:48

signs of trauma or foul play. That's

53:50

what they said. It doesn't mean that

53:52

there couldn't have been foul

53:54

play. There's just no signs

53:56

of it. So you can't suppose

53:59

that. there was because

54:01

they deal in fact law

54:03

enforcement told the press that

54:05

the investigation remained open at

54:08

a meeting on November 25th the

54:10

family asked the police chiefs of

54:12

mounds view and knew Brighton about

54:15

Henry's manner of death they were

54:17

told it could have been a

54:20

homicide or suicide but the police didn't

54:22

have an answer but I think they also

54:24

could have said it could have been accidental yeah

54:26

I'm surprised that those

54:28

were the two options now

54:31

are they ruling out accidental

54:34

because they didn't believe

54:36

that Henry would have made it

54:39

to that area on his own

54:41

accidentally and then fallen in

54:43

but how could they say that if

54:45

they're gonna say suicide is an option yeah

54:48

and I think it goes back to if

54:51

you don't know you don't know but you're

54:53

right to limit it to those two

54:56

don't seem a little strange was

54:58

there a reason why they were

55:00

totally discounting and new

55:03

Brighton police chief Bob Jacobson said

55:06

we may not be able to tell you everything

55:09

we're not trying to hide anything we

55:12

still want to know what happened and

55:14

I think that part is true they don't know

55:16

what happened they'd like to know Jacobson

55:19

added we hope that the Liberian

55:21

communities and all communities

55:24

inclusive can understand what happened

55:26

to McCabe and have

55:28

confidence that we're going to investigate

55:30

this fully and I think reading

55:33

between the lines there this

55:35

guy is saying we want

55:37

to make sure that everyone know that

55:40

we're not going to skimp

55:42

on this investigation because

55:44

of the color of this man's skin I

55:47

think that's what he's saying without

55:50

actually coming out and saying yeah

55:52

over 500 people attended Henry's

55:55

funeral on December 19 Henry's

55:58

older brother Tim quoted by

56:00

the spokesman review is saying, my brother

56:02

was found in rush Lake. I

56:05

believe he was murdered. It's his

56:07

brother saying that his mom has already

56:09

said that, you know, just

56:11

to back up for one second, 500 people.

56:15

That tells you a lot about someone's character

56:18

and the effect that they had on

56:21

people because this guy hadn't lived

56:24

here his entire life. No. So

56:26

that means that in the short

56:28

time, relatively short time that he

56:31

was here. He did have

56:33

an effect on people. Henry's 10

56:35

year old daughter also spoke at the

56:37

funeral and said, why did he

56:39

have to die like this? And

56:42

again, that is a heartbreaking

56:45

thought. She described her

56:47

father's death as the

56:49

worst punishment ever before she

56:51

returned to her seat and tears. It's

56:54

tough to listen to that. Yeah. And I

56:56

wish I knew more about what she

56:58

meant about that. I sure

57:01

hope that she

57:03

doesn't believe that her

57:05

father's death was related to anything that

57:07

she did or, you know, some way

57:09

that she acted at some

57:12

certain point. I hope that's not

57:14

what she meant and didn't carry it like that. Kareen

57:17

said at the funeral, I want justice

57:19

for my husband. He didn't deserve

57:21

to die. Someone did this to him.

57:24

There is a guy. And he knows

57:26

what happened and hates an injustice.

57:28

Whoever did this, God will

57:30

deal with you. So as we wrap

57:33

up this episode on Henry

57:35

McCabe, I think one of the

57:38

shocking slash

57:40

disappointing things is

57:43

the lack of recent articles

57:46

about the status of the

57:48

investigation. Couldn't find really

57:51

anything on the

57:53

toxicology results. There just

57:55

really hasn't been much

57:58

out there in the public. about

58:01

the death of Henry McCabe since his

58:03

body was found. That's a shame. It

58:06

definitely is, but it's something that we

58:08

have seen in

58:10

many unsolved cases. You

58:13

know, there can be a flurry

58:15

of media activity, but at a

58:17

certain point, it seems as though it

58:20

trails off. Now maybe that's

58:22

just because the police aren't releasing

58:24

anything, there's nothing really to report

58:26

on, but it

58:28

could also be because people

58:31

have moved on to other stories

58:34

that have more to them. More

58:36

headlines. More headlines, more real

58:39

information. So we talked about

58:41

the fact that there were no physical signs

58:43

of foul play. We

58:46

talked about the way that Henry

58:49

supposedly disappeared, and

58:52

obviously we heard the very strange

58:54

voicemail. And I think all

58:56

of that has led his family

58:58

and friends to believe he was murdered.

59:02

I don't know what the

59:04

police believe. I don't think

59:06

they have enough facts to come out

59:09

and really say much. And it's

59:12

actually smarter than not to say much

59:14

if they don't have anything. It better

59:16

hold it close to them until they're ready

59:19

to release that information. But

59:21

that leads to a lot of frustration for

59:23

friends and family of someone who

59:25

has died in what

59:28

you'd have to call a very mysterious way.

59:31

Where are things at? And there could

59:33

be things happening behind the scenes. The

59:36

police don't come out and say everything.

59:39

You actually heard that guy say it. We're not

59:41

gonna tell you everything. Oh, they need to have

59:43

that just in case down the road, they

59:46

get somebody that could be a potential suspect. They

59:48

wanna be able to see if their

59:50

story matches what they know. And

59:53

they could already have somebody

59:56

in their sight. Yeah. You

59:58

don't wanna let that out. to let

1:00:00

out why it is you have that

1:00:02

person in your size, you don't want

1:00:04

to scare that person. And so

1:00:06

there are a lot of reasons why

1:00:08

police would not want to disclose certain

1:00:11

things. But you know,

1:00:13

I think going back to

1:00:15

this voicemail, I just don't

1:00:17

know what to make of it. You know,

1:00:20

was this Henry being

1:00:22

taken by somebody to this area?

1:00:25

What were all the strange noises,

1:00:28

almost like growls? Was

1:00:31

it a, you know,

1:00:33

fighting, tussling with someone?

1:00:35

You know, they said

1:00:38

that he wasn't shot. Nope.

1:00:41

But it did sound like he was in pain

1:00:44

at a certain point. It sounded like he was

1:00:46

almost like moaning. I think

1:00:48

it's one of the big mysteries in

1:00:50

this case. What really does

1:00:53

that voicemail mean?

1:00:55

What are those sounds? Well,

1:00:57

maybe eventually somebody with the really

1:01:00

good quality audio equipment

1:01:02

will be able to analyze it. Well,

1:01:04

that's the other thing, right? The paper said

1:01:07

that they sent it off to

1:01:09

the FBI, but then there was no reporting

1:01:11

after that. So were they able

1:01:13

to clean it up? Did they hear anything? We

1:01:16

don't know. And if they did, maybe the

1:01:18

police don't want to release it. That could

1:01:20

be as well. That could be as well. According

1:01:23

to the spokesman review, the Minnesota

1:01:25

community policing services is offering a

1:01:27

$5,000 reward for information leading to

1:01:32

the arrest and conviction of those responsible

1:01:35

for the death of Henry McCabe. You

1:01:37

can call 651-485-9211 or

1:01:43

email David Singleton at community

1:01:45

policing services at gmail.com.

1:01:47

You can remain anonymous. Well, that's good.

1:01:49

You know, I mean, somebody could have

1:01:51

seen something that night, you know, they

1:01:54

could have been driving around, walking

1:01:56

around, and maybe

1:01:58

they've been scared to say anything and

1:02:01

just, it's time to say something, help, help this,

1:02:04

uh, investigation out. Yeah. I

1:02:06

still think it's strange that they

1:02:08

never saw William Kennedy's car on

1:02:11

any of the, the surveillance

1:02:13

footage from the gas stations.

1:02:16

Again, does it mean 100% that he wasn't at

1:02:19

any of those? No,

1:02:22

but you would think he'd

1:02:25

have been caught on one

1:02:27

camera at least. Yeah. But that's

1:02:29

it for our episode on Henry

1:02:31

McCabe. We've got some voicemails, Gibbs. You

1:02:33

want to check those out? Let's hear them. Hi

1:02:36

guys. My name is Sarah. I'm calling

1:02:38

from Comanche, Oklahoma. Just love

1:02:40

the show. And I was hoping that

1:02:42

you could feature a case for my

1:02:44

hometown, um, that could really use some

1:02:47

help in gaining attention, um,

1:02:49

and hopefully to, um, push

1:02:51

for some more answers, the

1:02:54

cases for just for Noah

1:02:56

press growth from Comanche, Oklahoma,

1:02:58

he was found dead on

1:03:00

the highway after a labor

1:03:03

date, um, after a labor

1:03:05

day party, um, with a

1:03:07

group of friends, their medical

1:03:10

examiner has just released

1:03:12

the full autopsy report

1:03:14

on May 13th. Um,

1:03:17

there is a Facebook page justice for

1:03:19

Noah press grove. There's lots of information

1:03:21

out there. Uh, but at

1:03:23

this time, the family and the town,

1:03:26

uh, is asking for

1:03:28

answers. It's a very sad case. Um,

1:03:30

lots of small town gossip, uh,

1:03:34

would make great contact, uh,

1:03:37

but really, um, asking for some

1:03:39

additional help and, um,

1:03:41

maybe getting the word out about this case,

1:03:44

love you guys. Love the show. Thanks so much.

1:03:47

All right. It's one that we will definitely check

1:03:49

into. It sounds like it's there's something or

1:03:52

things are happening. Sure does right

1:03:54

now. So we're definitely

1:03:56

checking out this era. I'm

1:04:00

Mindy from Oklahoma and I've

1:04:02

been listening to your podcast

1:04:04

for years and I'm going

1:04:06

back for you the episodes

1:04:09

from 2017-18

1:04:12

where he

1:04:14

got his motorcycle and you went to go

1:04:17

see him for lunch and I'm imagining you'd

1:04:20

be getting on the back of the motorcycle and

1:04:22

he's got himself in the back of the house

1:04:24

and he's cracking me up. Anyway,

1:04:26

keep your own time ticket and

1:04:28

let you guys, I'm definitely Team

1:04:31

Gibby. Thanks. Well,

1:04:34

one thing I can say for sure

1:04:36

is that Gibby never rode on the

1:04:38

back of my motorcycle. Ever?

1:04:41

No. You drove, I rode

1:04:43

the bike, we went separately and met

1:04:46

up at the... I don't

1:04:48

ride that way. Nor should

1:04:50

you? No. I'm not going to put my hands

1:04:52

around your waist. It's not your hands

1:04:54

I'm worried about. I don't want you

1:04:57

pressed up against me in

1:05:00

any form or fashion. That's

1:05:05

a bumpy road, sorry buddy. Not going

1:05:07

to happen. That's funny though.

1:05:10

Alright buddy, that is it for another

1:05:12

episode of True Crime All The Time

1:05:14

Unsolved. So for Mike and Gibby, stay

1:05:16

safe and keep your own time ticking.

1:05:45

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