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on salt omri we're talking about

3:39

the murder of honey malone vanessa

3:42

honey more was an outgoing kindhearted

3:45

eighteen year old girl on october

3:47

twenty third two thousand twelve

3:49

you went to a friend's apartment

3:51

in was fatally shot in the back

3:53

and chest for body was

3:55

found in a closet in the apartments

3:57

main bed

3:59

the police bully

3:59

that honey walked in on an armed robbery

4:02

then was tragically in the wrong place

4:05

wrong time but honey family believes

4:07

there's much more to the store vanessa

4:10

murray malone was born on february

4:12

eighth nineteen ninety fourth everyone

4:15

who knew her called her hundred

4:17

people quarter honey because when she

4:19

was a little girl he told her mother

4:22

that

4:23

the nasa murray was to point they

4:25

wanted to be called honey instead

4:27

the good name honey

4:29

you know it's

4:30

it's a cute story here

4:33

i can picture the soda girl they

4:35

and her mom nice just to plane

4:38

i want something a little more jazzy

4:40

i'm going to be special and want something

4:43

that you know kind of denotes

4:45

my personality

4:47

honey grew up in stone mountain ga

4:49

a suburb of atlanta with her mother

4:52

floor i'm alone and her sister

4:54

cassandra kinda lauren

4:56

cassandra have spent years sharing information

4:59

to keep honey case and the public

5:01

off switch you gotta do yeah we've talked

5:03

about it time and time again

5:05

when it comes to these unsolved case

5:08

that's part of the reason why you and i do

5:10

what we do why we have an unsolved

5:13

podcasts because yes

5:15

we're trying to

5:16

put out in entertaining show the

5:19

same time there is a level

5:21

of importance

5:23

i think when it comes on solve

5:25

cases because the getting

5:27

the word out there you're keeping the word

5:30

out there

5:31

your

5:32

you're putting information

5:34

the people who may have not heard of this

5:36

case where who

5:38

knows somebody listening

5:41

may just happened the know something

5:43

it could happen yeah it's

5:46

good at her pharmacists are

5:48

advocating for her

5:50

honey was a very sweet and

5:52

our going girl when she was young

5:54

she told her mother that everyone would

5:56

know her name and that she

5:58

would be on the news

5:59

there

6:00

tragically she would be on the news

6:02

but the all the wrong reasons honey

6:05

family posted on her facebook page

6:07

that she liked to help out at a local

6:09

nursing home she did been go

6:12

see helped paint residents nails

6:15

and she just talk to them

6:16

when they needed com at

6:18

a time of her death honey had plans

6:21

to get her driver's license and was also saving

6:23

up to go on a cruise with her sister

6:26

that was like an outgoing young lady

6:28

the two things i'm taking away from this

6:31

number one it seems to me that

6:33

from a very young age he

6:36

was a person who wanted the be

6:38

someone them by that i mean

6:41

the plan shared goals soon

6:44

to be on the news she wanted to be maybe

6:46

in the in the spotlight

6:48

or something like that and number two

6:52

she was someone who was willing to

6:54

give up her own time

6:56

the help others

6:58

the mean you you gotta respect that

7:00

to the utmost agree i know i do

7:02

yeah

7:03

the more letter day how we absolutely

7:05

do

7:06

more malone told nbc news

7:08

that honey could sometimes be

7:10

nice he was a social bowl

7:12

and outgoing person who love talking

7:15

to people she was friends with everyone

7:17

sondra headed to the statement saying

7:20

honey had a smart mouth in could

7:22

have said something to like if

7:24

someone said i'll shoot you

7:26

she'd say do with

7:28

the great speaker my

7:30

or stand up for herself yeah

7:32

i'm getting advice i'm also

7:34

drawing some parallels to my

7:36

own daughters

7:38

sometimes i see a little

7:40

bit of naive attack

7:42

i don't think that's pretty normal

7:44

also have one daughter the has a very smart

7:46

mouth oh yeah she's quigg she's

7:48

witty very what he can catch yeah

7:51

to the bone sometimes

7:53

you got me a few times yeah it's

7:55

not hard but yes yes he has been able

7:57

to do that saunders kennedy

7:59

told

7:59

crime watch daily that honey

8:02

friends were cool what did

8:04

what she called extra activities

8:07

as they are apart the cow

8:09

police officer courtney brown one

8:11

of the first detectives it's a scene said

8:14

that these activities were solyndra that

8:16

there was high traffic it is apartments

8:19

because they were selling drugs inside

8:21

the airport the police believe honeys

8:24

friends sold marijuana and

8:26

cocaine in some of her friends did

8:28

have criminal records it

8:30

was reported that she was friends with some

8:32

men with nickname such as

8:34

spoon or see and yeah

8:38

lol people have nicknames yeah

8:40

some of them are more understandable and on

8:42

understand those at all but i

8:44

was in that group

8:46

don't know why they got the names nope they

8:48

could be they could make perfect sense but i

8:50

have no idea eighteen year old

8:52

honey milan

8:53

was murdered on tuesday october

8:56

twenty third two thousand and twelve the

8:59

was a normal night for

9:01

him alone pig tiny out from her job

9:03

at address store and drover home when

9:05

he got home honey told her mom

9:08

is she was going and she often went

9:10

out with your friends so the

9:12

like a lot of us for didn't think too much

9:14

others

9:15

honey often went to a friend's apartment

9:17

close to her house she liked to play spades

9:20

and hang out with her friends

9:22

the pretty normal activity

9:25

the war and eighteen year old it

9:28

was some friends the cards

9:30

i love spades when my favorite

9:32

games i've never played it i

9:35

could you never have played space some never

9:37

played it have you played euchre the

9:39

long time ago

9:40

okay

9:41

we need a sim card games

9:43

what i'm near viewing this as

9:45

pretty normal routine

9:48

type teenager behave

9:51

now we don't know what exactly

9:53

is going on at the apartment

9:55

that she's going to if it

9:57

was in fact the

10:00

high traffic area where

10:02

cocaine and marijuana was being sold

10:05

don't normally see you risk factor rosa

10:07

officer yeah more did

10:10

remember that honey was very tired

10:12

after work so she thought of a little bit

10:14

strange that he

10:17

suddenly wanted to see for

10:20

no no one knows who exactly

10:22

honey was going to see why

10:25

or

10:26

how she got to the apartment where

10:28

she was shot

10:29

honey his mom and sister believe that someone

10:31

either taxes are called

10:33

the lure her

10:35

who the apart honey didn't

10:37

tell her mom where she was gone the

10:39

left the house but then return just

10:41

a few minutes late then she told

10:43

her mom that she wanted

10:45

or dinner

10:46

he loved her

10:47

image she would be right back

10:50

that might be alarming for some parents

10:52

you know your kid doesn't do that often or

10:54

these and comes back few minutes later

10:57

just say

10:58

the mom

10:59

the lobby her mom did

11:01

tell papers that she thought it was unusual

11:05

now does she think it was unusual at the time

11:08

what did she look back on there

11:10

there you go a any never know because

11:12

it doesn't always say that in the reporting

11:15

diggin instances like this

11:18

where there's a tragic situation

11:20

megan lot of things that people look back

11:22

on that maybe at the time

11:25

they saw we're fairly normal

11:27

didn't think much about now

11:29

that looking at those things in a different

11:32

light because of what ultimately

11:35

the point

11:36

according to cbs forty six honey

11:38

went to the hamptons village apartments

11:40

on tree mountain park way a

11:43

very short distance from or how less

11:45

than thirty minutes later floor malone

11:48

heard a loud noise that she

11:51

later said sounded like gunshots

11:54

or firecrackers or something he

11:56

said that she called

11:58

honey

11:59

she wasn't answering her phone laura

12:02

initially thought the loud noises

12:04

were found

12:06

she decided to call honey to check

12:08

on her cassandra told dateline

12:10

nbc my mom is like this

12:12

when she hears something like that she

12:15

always causes to check in and make

12:17

sure we're okay not unique

12:19

for a parent to reach out to the kid the

12:21

see they're okay

12:24

you're out of just

12:25

sir no i don't think it is wrong

12:28

the outer you i find get a spidey

12:30

sense

12:32

i don't even know exactly what it means

12:34

yeah police a phone call a heartbeat

12:36

i didn't want to hear a voice and

12:39

the maybe that's the true crime podcasting

12:42

for so long maybe that's all

12:44

the research by

12:46

you know

12:47

i do year

12:48

i guess a com feelings

12:51

not bad the ominous

12:53

really they're just i should

12:56

check hi to feelings

12:58

and so to satisfy that

13:00

ceiling i had to pick up the phone

13:02

in mexico no everything's

13:04

okay yeah and as soon as i hear that

13:07

humboldt

13:08

honey didn't answer the phone

13:10

according to nbc news hindi

13:12

said at first she didn't think anything

13:14

up

13:15

this it happened before where honey

13:17

cell phone was turned off but

13:19

when she started to see emergency vehicles

13:23

the called again

13:24

in honey didn't take up this

13:26

time mom was freaking out

13:28

the man i absolutely yeah

13:31

the guys you don't know exactly where

13:34

the daughter is but doesn't

13:36

take up now i see emergency

13:38

vehicles

13:39

the your anxieties through the roof yeah there

13:41

can be some panic there's no doubt

13:44

florida next heard someone banging

13:46

on door would you i'm the dobbs she

13:48

saw two men outside a man

13:50

named de kevin who's honeys

13:52

ex boyfriends and the cabins

13:54

friend chris they told her

13:56

that something had happened on

13:58

and eleven thirty i'm cassandra

14:01

kitty received a call from

14:03

her mom floor

14:04

more was crying and told her that honey

14:07

had been shot more went to the crime

14:09

scene and cassandra arrive

14:11

shortly after that police wouldn't

14:13

give them any information the floor

14:16

gave the police a description of honeys

14:18

appearance and the task to the she

14:20

had on her him they still would not

14:22

identify the person who's kill

14:25

man up we had the protocol and the

14:27

they ever do and process

14:29

mobile app which are flora cassandra just

14:32

beside themselves yeah i'm i'm certain

14:34

it's a good aftertaste

14:36

that were that your tapes not gonna home

14:39

the gonna go through that door yeah no

14:41

doubt if i truly believed

14:43

or if somebody had told me that

14:46

some have no my daughter great that

14:48

you're gonna have to take me pepper spray

14:50

me the about four officers on

14:52

it older down yeah i just think

14:54

i'd have a hard time comply

14:57

not knowing i'm his kiss sit around

14:59

stand around

15:00

until you tell me yea or nay

15:03

honey malone was found dead in the closet

15:06

at the hampton village apartments

15:08

public information officer shearer

15:11

campbell told a line that honey

15:13

was shot in the back then

15:15

put in a bedroom closet then

15:17

shot a second time in the chest honey

15:20

malone died there at the

15:22

crimes

15:23

the police spoke to the living victims

15:25

at the crime scene and learned betty

15:28

group of masked gunman kicked

15:30

in the door

15:31

for honey even gone to the apart

15:34

there were somewhere between

15:36

three to six armed robbers

15:38

in the apartment

15:39

the exact number has never been

15:42

publicly confront strange

15:44

but we're talk about that later

15:46

these robbers tied up to apartment

15:48

residents and put them in the bathroom

15:50

the couple living in the apartment told

15:53

the police that

15:54

they were lying in bed

15:55

the men dressed in all blind

15:58

holding handguns inside

15:59

the

16:00

the down there too

16:02

then entered their part

16:04

the victims claim they were beaten

16:06

and tied up with a belt and

16:08

an electric razor the

16:11

man living in the apartments said that the

16:13

intruder stole his wallet then

16:15

tied them up and put them in the bathtub

16:18

the woman told police that she

16:20

heard honey enter the apartment

16:23

the after they retire

16:24

honey screamed and then there were multiple

16:27

gunshot

16:28

in the intruders last

16:30

after

16:31

the couple in the bathroom waited hi

16:34

each other and escape

16:36

seems a little strange that they

16:38

survived this ordeal the

16:41

honey did

16:42

yeah and i'm a if we're talking about

16:44

the new the strange meter

16:47

you know who has entered the apartment

16:49

you hear this person screen

16:52

would you run out without tracking

16:54

on her

16:55

does that make sense is that not make sense

16:58

are you so fearful for your life

17:00

you're not thinking about anything else

17:02

and signed away everything

17:04

you not

17:05

know exactly where the gunman are

17:08

were days you know

17:10

whether they've left the apartment oh no

17:13

oh now

17:14

i guess we'll have to

17:15

measure the strange meter

17:18

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the police found the couple outside

18:33

the apartment honey was found

18:35

inside unconscious not

18:37

breathing lying on her right

18:39

side with several gunshot wounds

18:42

to the bar

18:43

yeah i think the police theory quickly

18:45

became that honey walked

18:47

in while these burglars

18:49

were ransacking the apartments she

18:51

turned billie

18:52

in one of them saunter in the back when

18:55

he was then drag to a closet and dumped

18:57

face down on a pile of dirty clothes

19:00

there was three hours later

19:02

when police told floor the

19:04

news that know parents ever

19:07

wants to hear her daughter had been

19:09

killed

19:10

i mean she can a new right and she was

19:12

at the scene based on

19:14

what chinese ex boyfriend

19:17

said the new most

19:19

likely that was her daughter in

19:21

the sit there and wait for three hours

19:24

the find out for sure there and

19:26

then the moment that you're told

19:28

complete devastation sure

19:31

the dekalb county police detectives

19:33

interviewed honeys friends and family that

19:35

night sergeant lynch you the

19:38

lead detective spoke to the victims

19:40

analyzed evidence have the crime scene

19:43

there were nine millimeter showcase

19:45

sound inside the apartment

19:47

detectives found shoe prints on the

19:49

door that showed where the gunman

19:52

kicked the door then there were more

19:54

shoe prints and the gravel outside

19:56

the apart

19:57

there also drops of blood outside

19:59

it was determined not to be

20:02

on his blood one neighbor saw

20:05

the suspects sleazy apart neighbors

20:08

said that there was a confrontation

20:11

between the sauce bags and and

20:14

someone else we don't know who or how many

20:16

the one of the man we shot

20:19

in the way

20:20

neighbors said that they saw someone

20:22

helping a man into a car

20:24

oh please contact at all the hospitals

20:27

in atlanta and surrounding counties

20:29

nobody came in on the night

20:31

of the twenty third or the next day

20:33

with a gunshot wound to the leg

20:36

meaning

20:37

the suspect either traveled

20:39

out of state

20:41

the war

20:42

had the wounds treated

20:44

if you want to avoid please

20:47

how between it and having just by

20:49

watching movies we've learned

20:52

that if you're trying

20:55

to avoid the police the last

20:57

thing you want to do was go to the hospital with

20:59

a gunshot way

21:00

that's like the biggest red flag

21:03

there can be it's why i always go to a veterinarian

21:06

honey murder was considered a botched

21:08

armed robbery the police said

21:10

that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time

21:13

and have possibly walked in

21:15

on a drug deal gone bad when

21:17

asked about a possible motive to kill

21:19

honey officer corny brown later

21:22

told crimewatch daily collateral

21:25

damage she saw more than

21:27

once she needed to see

21:28

they were there to do a drug transaction

21:31

either by some drugs or

21:33

selling large quantity of

21:35

drug

21:36

and while in the midst of doing

21:38

that drug transactions honey

21:41

walked in

21:42

and she saw too much

21:44

honey cell phone was eventually found

21:46

about half a mile from the crimes

21:49

the phone stayed in that spot until the

21:51

battery dot sergeant schuler

21:53

said that he believes the phone was so

21:56

because bones are easy to resell

21:58

on the street but honey family doesn't

22:01

think that that was the most on

22:03

his mother responded to a face but

22:05

comment in march two thousand and twenty

22:07

and said that they do not know

22:10

if the police still have the phone or not

22:12

laura has said that she didn't

22:14

know who would want to kill honey

22:17

or why there was a small girl

22:19

who couldn't defend herself from an attacker

22:21

she didn't drive a car and she didn't have

22:24

many valuable items to steal

22:26

lord doesn't know what information

22:29

honey could have known that would give

22:31

someone motive to suit

22:34

honey family wonders why the other

22:36

witnesses weren't too the most

22:38

likely new just as much if not

22:40

more than honey that's

22:42

a good question you know as if you're gonna kill

22:45

one one on

22:46

everybody else in the place

22:47

well

22:48

if you're sticking with the police

22:50

fear

22:51

she was killed because she walked

22:54

in on a botched

22:56

robbery a drug deal gone

22:58

bad something along those lines

23:01

then i agree with you these people

23:03

are willing to kill honey why

23:05

would they leave the other two people who they

23:08

have to believe witness

23:11

just as much or know just them as

23:13

much about the situation

23:15

in

23:16

if they knew who those vent individuals were

23:18

now know that they were the person murdered

23:21

honey yeah and so even more reason

23:24

to get rid of him

23:25

one and i envision a scenario

23:27

where you can make the argument

23:30

that the two people tied up

23:32

we're much more likely to have known

23:35

who these individuals actually worse

23:38

than honey sure

23:39

though

23:40

obviously of floor is not buying

23:43

the

23:44

walked in on a situation

23:46

and was killed there

23:48

based on some for com answer

23:50

and all that it's not just

23:52

for i think honeys entire

23:55

family doubts you can

23:57

as the the police's bully

24:00

that honey just happened to walk into

24:02

the apartment in the middle of

24:04

an armed robbery cassandra

24:06

told cbs forty six the

24:08

drug a trail of blood of my sister

24:11

on the carpet put her in the closet

24:14

you don't take the time to do that it

24:16

it was just a random robberies

24:19

as i say

24:20

no one was pissed aware nobody

24:23

was stabbed nobody was hurt

24:25

yeah a very valid point

24:27

the issue

24:29

the money back drag them or

24:31

way back to the bedroom what i'm in a closet

24:33

shoot him again the kill him the not

24:35

dutch anybody else before you leave

24:38

interesting

24:39

interesting strange

24:42

the very least there's one

24:44

question in an interview

24:46

with dateline nbc saunders said

24:48

i don't believe that was around the only

24:50

thing that was stolen was honeys wife

24:53

and her salsa i assume

24:55

someone called her over there you

24:57

told my mom she was tired when she

25:00

was picked up from work why would you

25:02

choose to leave the house if you're that

25:04

time

25:05

another good point i mean we've all

25:07

come home from work exhausted

25:10

when you worked in the the you know the second shift come

25:13

home you tired we wanna do is get in

25:15

bed the gonna take something really

25:18

important to have you

25:21

i decided to go out that was it because

25:23

you wanna see somebody or

25:25

it because the threat was made

25:28

if you don't come over

25:30

we don't know not we don't cbs

25:32

forty six crime scene investigators

25:35

cheryl mccollum said why

25:37

would honey be the only one hurt not apart

25:40

no one else was even slapped but

25:42

she was shot twice and

25:44

her family deserves to know why

25:46

honey family believes she was lured

25:48

to the apartment to silence or because

25:51

the killers thought honey new or saw something

25:54

and she was going to report more

25:57

pointed out that it wasn't like honey

25:59

to

25:59

walk into a very suspicious

26:03

see

26:03

in the door it already been kicked in

26:06

when she got to the apartment

26:08

the founder kennedy believes that the home

26:10

invasion was just a santa

26:12

the get away with killing on

26:15

yeah i think if anybody walked up

26:17

to an apartment when the doors then kicked

26:19

in the you seen people

26:21

ransacking the apartment

26:23

the

26:24

i would even put a foot in the door but even

26:26

as he put a foot in the door think you'd turn around

26:28

and get out there soon as possible

26:30

it seems like

26:31

she stepped into the poor man then

26:33

turn around and got shot i don't know the

26:36

people would even go into the apartment yeah i'm

26:38

with him

26:39

the problem that police had

26:41

was that potential witnesses

26:43

refuse to cooperate in

26:45

the case when cold

26:46

on his facebook page was set up on

26:49

friday october twenty six two thousand

26:51

and twelve within just a few dates

26:53

the page had almost one hundred and

26:55

twenty two thousand one

26:57

the borders on social media began

27:00

using the justice for

27:02

honey hashtag on twitter this

27:05

is one thing that that we definitely see

27:08

the streams through the years sir

27:10

in a with the

27:12

the invention of social media

27:14

and the proliferation of so me different

27:17

the absence systems and

27:19

and things like that it definitely

27:21

makes

27:22

getting information out easier

27:25

it seems that the definitely make

27:27

rallying support

27:29

the easier yeah

27:31

the for social media you will

27:33

get some support from your town

27:35

from from your local people

27:38

the now usually get support from

27:40

all over the world

27:42

through social media according

27:44

to aj see dot com floor and

27:46

malone posted on facebook

27:48

i just know many others

27:50

do know and won't tell i

27:53

can say how sweet she was

27:55

or house he was getting her life together i

27:57

wish i could create a curse that

27:59

would

27:59

those involved with this senseless

28:02

death get so sick

28:04

with the good

28:05

that it was too painful the even bring

28:08

i hate the fact they are walking

28:10

having a good time and fun i'm

28:13

getting better and i hate that i

28:15

want to celebrate her wise not

28:18

mourn her death

28:19

the idea what she's saying you know she wants

28:22

people would did this to her daughter to answer

28:24

for the crime painfully

28:27

yeah i mean talk about getting

28:29

better

28:30

i can see that happening you've

28:33

lost your daughter and you know that the

28:35

people responsible for her death

28:37

or around living there lot that

28:39

would be hard to live with cbs

28:42

forty six reported extensively

28:44

on the honey malone case the

28:46

as i atlanta part of cbs

28:49

forty six worked with honey family

28:51

to keep her case in the public eye sandra

28:54

praised there were saying i

28:56

believe that's what help the case as

28:58

a you guys pushing the detectives

29:01

and the dekalb county police department

29:03

the osi and lana shared all

29:05

their new lease with the dekalb police

29:09

in january two thousand and seventeen

29:11

honey family spoke to channel to accidents

29:14

in appealed to the public for information

29:16

the progress out front great public

29:19

involved there is something

29:21

you have to do crimewatch daily

29:23

covered the honey malone case in two thousand

29:25

and seventeen

29:27

they reported on the curry same

29:29

the

29:30

the unknowingly moved into the

29:32

former crime scene

29:34

they hope to just move away from the busier

29:37

parts of atlanta and live somewhere

29:39

little more peaceful after

29:41

they moved in they noticed a trail

29:44

of read stains on their curb

29:46

the stains when from the front door

29:48

to the dining room to the hallway

29:51

and into their bedroom clause the

29:53

nasa landlord about it the

29:55

landlord told them it was fruit

29:57

juice they put peroxide

29:59

it on the spot in if foam that

30:02

meaning that disdain was blood

30:04

they had no idea that their apartment

30:07

was a former crime scene hundreds

30:09

or the law landlords do not have

30:11

to tell tenants if a murder has taken

30:13

place unless the tennis

30:16

asks about a specific

30:18

yeah

30:19

that's a strange law email

30:21

how lieutenant want

30:23

to know to ask about a very

30:26

specific death

30:27

the never saw it on the news or

30:30

there weren't from that area out she

30:32

was that landlord not to do the right thing and

30:34

pull that corporate often replacement

30:36

places you know discourages

30:40

the worry about

30:41

i'm watch daily reported in two thousand

30:43

seventeen as honeys friends

30:46

yak in merced word

30:48

the to who were tied up in

30:50

the apartment they said they

30:52

were not considered suspects at the

30:54

time

30:55

sergeant sure though told crimewatch

30:57

daily that mercy was a

30:59

mean person of interest because the

31:01

was very involved in selling drugs

31:04

and ran the business out of the apart

31:07

cuellar things the drugs and money

31:09

belong to mercy so the

31:11

most likely knows who would have

31:13

been out to get

31:14

mercy was charged with theft

31:16

or receiving stolen property

31:18

in possession of a firearm by

31:20

infected zone and an unrelated

31:23

case he pleaded guilty and received

31:25

one year in jail

31:27

yeah pleaded guilty to violating

31:29

the controlled substances act and

31:32

tampering with ever

31:34

though

31:35

we're reviewing some more information

31:37

ny i think early on we were

31:40

the little dubious

31:42

this situation these two

31:44

individuals being tied up but

31:46

not being harmed in it wasn't just sauce

31:48

right right honey family came

31:51

out and said the same thanks and

31:53

now we're finding out that police

31:55

did consider at least

31:57

mercy the be a the

32:00

person of interest we knew

32:02

that are some criminal activity going

32:04

on at the apartment we talk about

32:06

it it was thought that that's what was going

32:08

on

32:10

crimewatch daily also reported that

32:12

in two thousand and sixteen the dekalb

32:14

county police received information

32:16

about a gun that was season

32:19

and unrelated case

32:20

one person identified as a person

32:22

of interest was arrested with a nine

32:24

millimeter gun nine millimeter

32:27

shell casings were found at the crime scene

32:29

the gun was sent to the georgia

32:32

bureau of investigations for

32:34

test sergeant schuler told

32:36

crimewatch daily dad

32:38

the gone

32:40

was associated with a

32:42

showcase that was founded

32:44

to seen

32:45

honey case was featured on doctor

32:47

aunts on march tenth two thousand twenty

32:50

when honeys family appeared on the show

32:52

it was a significant development

32:55

the case because it's right

32:57

information to a large national

32:59

honors

33:00

and how many times have we said

33:02

the bigger the show

33:04

the bigger the audience the

33:06

more people you're gonna reach obviously we

33:09

talk about the law with like america's most

33:11

wanted and you know shows

33:13

like that rodgers great man

33:16

any time you have a national

33:18

audience as bit

33:19

lane as a big area it is

33:22

cbs forty six is only going

33:24

out so far slower i

33:26

requested to listen to the nine one one

33:28

call from the night honey was murdered

33:31

the police

33:32

according to a statement by men

33:34

schuler hold the asylum

33:37

that the recording was available the

33:40

family could listen to it if they wanted

33:42

to because it didn't have any relevance

33:44

in solving

33:46

when the family requested to listen

33:48

to the tape before the taping

33:50

of the doctor osho they were told

33:52

they couldn't because the case was

33:54

still lope the doctor oz producers

33:57

were also told they couldn't listen

33:59

to the take the thunder kennedy

34:01

told doctor officers a few things that

34:03

come across as a discrepancy

34:06

in my opinion one according to

34:08

the police report

34:09

one said it was three assailants one

34:11

said it's five or six one

34:14

said they were tied up with the black belts

34:16

and according to police report the other was

34:18

tied up with an unknown object

34:21

every conflicting information the

34:23

think if somebody

34:24

came into your

34:26

harmon new know

34:27

there

34:28

two three four five or six the

34:31

give you say i know there were two

34:33

to six people in here i think

34:35

you would have a better headcount yeah

34:37

are you them

34:38

the founder added so just seem like something

34:41

happened in that apartment and then

34:43

they try to come up with a possible

34:45

robbery source that's what it sounds

34:47

like to me according to cbs

34:49

forty six crime scene and basket or cyril

34:51

mccollum added to cassandra

34:54

state

34:55

as soon as a sen you would

34:57

think they would flee the scene but they

34:59

don't

35:00

they drag her through the entire

35:02

apartment into the primary

35:04

back bedroom nothing else in

35:06

the apartment stone nobody

35:08

else in the apartment as her the column

35:10

noted that the only thing stolen was

35:12

honey self

35:14

they also gave information about a potential

35:16

lead in sacramento the

35:18

dekalb county police

35:20

the man had been arrested in sacramento

35:23

and charged with murder there's not

35:25

been much information published about

35:27

this

35:28

most likely to protect the investigation

35:31

less than a month after the premier

35:33

of the doctor oz episode it

35:36

was finally a break in the case we

35:38

we mentioned it were for many years honey

35:41

the case was cold

35:43

then in april two thousand twenty one

35:45

individual was arrested on

35:48

april third of that year thirty

35:50

four year old bomb or backs was arrested

35:52

in stone mountain ga he was

35:54

charged with second degree murder

35:56

and concealing facts

35:59

the added

35:59

previous criminal record for aggravated

36:02

assault norm robbery ass

36:04

went by the nickname mercy

36:07

we're going somewhere well things are coming

36:10

the circle a little bit

36:12

the new honey but not

36:15

well

36:15

the his eyes your mccollum told cbs

36:18

forty six that she had asked

36:21

ass about the night of honeys murder

36:23

several times

36:24

the pressure the police to investigate

36:27

when as had never met with her

36:29

and purse this was just

36:31

one of the multiple p inside

36:35

the apartment sergeant when sure

36:37

said we do believe that multiple

36:39

people responsible for this crime

36:42

in the investigation is ongoing

36:44

we hope more rest will follow flora

36:47

posted on facebook after the arrest

36:50

encouraging others to come forward saints

36:52

you still have time to do the right thing

36:54

and speak out

36:56

i'm just saying you would make you feel better

36:58

and help get all those involved

37:01

arrest

37:02

this is right

37:03

well she is right yeah

37:06

people with information have a guilty

37:08

conscience i don't know

37:10

that everyone would

37:12

the other thing is

37:13

to come forward

37:15

then to say what you know

37:17

the put your wrist these

37:19

are things that

37:21

i thing

37:22

people way all the time who

37:24

have a little bit of information

37:27

maybe small maybe big they

37:29

got away the repercussions

37:33

that you

37:35

love for them to come forward do right i

37:37

do the right thing tell the police what

37:39

you know i know is

37:41

not as simple as that know in every situation

37:44

and maybe find a way to give an information without

37:46

giving yourself up just just enough

37:50

the investigators in the right direction get

37:52

there are plenty of ways to give

37:54

information anonymously nowadays

37:58

what what's the motive or what is

37:59

the

38:00

then the incentive for

38:02

someone to come forward

38:04

she's saying it'll make you feel better i

38:07

don't know that everybody

38:09

links that where you're right in else probably

38:12

some people it

38:13

importantly just don't care don't

38:15

care or don't care enough

38:18

the put their rear ends on

38:20

the line potentially have

38:22

to go to trial and testify

38:24

road again

38:26

what may be some really bad

38:28

individuals is just something did

38:30

so keep in mind

38:33

as as we're talking about the

38:35

dekalb county police pursued leads

38:37

and the honey malone case for years

38:40

the police department credited extensive

38:42

detective work

38:44

that helping them make the arrest

38:46

according to eleven live sergeant

38:49

when schumer said after ashes arrest

38:51

our homicide detectives have spent

38:54

hundreds of hours

38:55

investigating this crimes and have

38:57

never given up chasing every lead

38:59

that has been present

39:01

and those are great words

39:03

what you hope is that all

39:06

of that is back truly

39:08

the accurate it seems to be because

39:11

something happened right and arrest

39:13

was made they're just using that

39:15

logic you can say what

39:17

they didn't give up

39:19

in is no added yeah now

39:21

was every lead

39:23

chase down

39:25

the way for us to know it

39:27

was sad that officer spent hundreds

39:29

of hours investigating honeys

39:31

case they followed leads all

39:33

over the southeast

39:35

the reviewed all case files and

39:37

looted the evidence analyzed by

39:40

the gbr

39:41

which ultimately led to the

39:43

arrest

39:44

on august sixteen two thousand twenty

39:46

donald ass was released from jail

39:49

on and eighty thousand dollar bond is

39:51

required to wear an ankle monitor and

39:54

stay home except for it's

39:57

with his attorney doctor

39:59

or four

39:59

the religious right that

40:02

very seriously

40:03

there have been no further arrests and

40:06

no trial date has been sad for

40:08

donald and because honey cases

40:10

still open inactive police

40:13

not release much information on

40:15

other potential suspect that's

40:18

something that i would expect

40:21

he can he can put much of that information

40:24

out there no no right now

40:26

honey family and thousands of people

40:28

who follow her case hope that someone

40:30

will finally be brave enough to come from

40:33

there is a justice for honey facebook

40:35

group with over one hundred thousand members

40:38

are i p honey currently

40:40

has hundred and thirty one thousand

40:42

like

40:43

than one hundred and twenty eight thousand

40:45

followers

40:46

on october twenty third two thousand twenty

40:48

one floor posted

40:50

the day makes nine years send someone

40:53

chose to take my baby girls life

40:55

why is the million dollar

40:57

question honestly she was popular

41:00

she was funny she was kind heart

41:03

everywhere we went and dekalb

41:05

county everyone's always speaking

41:08

to her saying hi honey hi vanessa

41:10

high nasa i was always

41:12

like is there anyone who does not

41:14

know you

41:15

and she would last there you

41:18

can see that right you know just

41:20

popular

41:21

then she sounds like a person that people

41:23

wanted to be around

41:25

more also posted that donald

41:27

ashes have swore bond hearings

41:30

image she's reached out there five

41:32

he has refused to speak

41:35

with one reason status

41:37

of day was posted on july twenty

41:39

eighth two thousand twenty two

41:41

the red this is the arrest

41:43

details of honeys cake the

41:45

was murdered october twenty third

41:48

two thousand twelve

41:49

ross was made on april

41:52

two thousand two

41:53

the man is out on bond really

41:55

running the street the today

41:58

there's been no trial date said

42:00

when as we're told coburn

42:03

said d dekalb county court systems

42:06

back by more than a year those

42:08

you know any piece of what happened please

42:10

speak up it doesn't matter why

42:12

you have not so far just

42:15

grow hard intel what have

42:17

we just want the truth on why

42:20

honey is no longer on this earth our

42:22

family misses her deeply and she

42:24

didn't deserve to be gunned down

42:26

by tower she was no threat

42:28

to any

42:29

there's not just dekalb county right cove

42:32

it has had a major impact

42:34

on the chords

42:36

i would say all around the world probably yeah

42:38

definitely in the united states we know that for

42:40

sure your impact space on the

42:43

to that we covered

42:45

but it's tough

42:46

for a mother who

42:48

once answers to have a drag

42:50

on so long then

42:52

you can tell she's very unhappy

42:55

with the fact that this

42:58

as person

42:59

the still out for

43:01

the bitter about that i mean you can just tell a

43:03

by her wire and i

43:05

don't blame

43:06

the gives his we wrap up this case

43:09

you're honey was only eighteen years old when

43:11

she was murdered you would have turned

43:13

twenty eight years old this year

43:15

on february twenty eight

43:17

we say there's a lot but there

43:19

she was a girl who had a lot of potential

43:21

so much life ahead of her

43:24

what we do now the that

43:26

the future of her life was taken

43:28

from her hi

43:30

so far unknown individuals

43:33

laura ask people who follows

43:36

the facebook page to do

43:38

a random act of kindness because

43:40

that was something honey like to do

43:42

for our

43:44

for me

43:45

and i think probably for a lot of people listening

43:48

we hinted at it earlier there's

43:50

a lot of suspicion surrounding

43:53

the two individuals who

43:55

claim to have been tied up in that a poor

43:58

man that's no secret one

43:59

them has been arrested or

44:01

we don't know

44:03

the details of what's going on with the

44:05

other person because as

44:07

in a lot of unsolved cases the police

44:09

keep that

44:10

the press they don't less that

44:12

information out the really

44:15

for me it comes down to where

44:17

their mass intruders or not the

44:20

mast intruders whoever they were

44:23

to kill honey

44:25

war

44:26

whether i'm no mast intruders at all

44:29

these two individuals one of them being

44:31

as they did it all

44:33

right and really had

44:35

something to do or

44:38

the main drivers in

44:40

honey murder

44:41

in i'm not pointing the finger

44:44

at anybody i'm just saying the

44:46

me really comes down to one of

44:48

those two option the remember

44:51

mercy and yeah were tied up

44:53

in the bathroom they found a way

44:55

to get loose before the police got there though

44:58

nobody knows if they were really title

45:00

that all all that yeah that's a good points

45:03

and i go back to my earlier statement if

45:05

you knew that

45:08

the queen serve quote unquote

45:10

friend

45:11

was in the apartment you heard her scream

45:14

and you heard gunshots

45:15

you just run out of the apartments you have no

45:18

concern for that person's well being

45:21

that that really struck me serve as

45:23

being odd from the get go as

45:26

we were going through the stories i

45:28

see we'll find out

45:30

at least as it pertains

45:32

to donald as

45:34

when it's all said and done what

45:36

police

45:37

have on him

45:38

we're going to wait because it's

45:41

it's dragging desk and right now or day

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that's it for our episode on

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the unsolved murder of honey malone

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how long would be unsold have

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we not you know yeah yeah obviously that's

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our home

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wow have to agency we got some voicemail

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you and sectors out assume a

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machine jimmy

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randy from minnesota again

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long , no saw saw

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theory cohen said i'm still listen

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i'm still going strong and i appreciate every

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as do and and has

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gotten me through divorces

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training israel as stuff and moving

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them moving offices to be process

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and he says

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really cute me in tune with the rest

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the world and sounds pretty

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goofy as hell but how it

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works i appreciate and

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know five or guys ah

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oh was listeners and

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other choice his

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eyes and now he says

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keep doing this for a long time i

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thanks everyone

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that's awesome we love when

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people get us more listeners this

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can tell you really enjoy the podcast yeah

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the means a lot in when hurt summer

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and in a while so good to hear from me brother

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they might help getting this is just the

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from atlanta georgia so

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happened to be from dayton ohio

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proud peter

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an address pay

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for you and i'll be the case as camera

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forced heard in forsyth county

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georgia i think it has a lot of interesting

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aspects that you've as my signed on when

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fascinating am so i'd love to hear it

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on the cell thanks for everything you do facing

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seat rooms on prison

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the a why the house

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one i just was thinking that

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this cases in her neck of the woods now

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that's true that that

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case she just mentioned sounds very

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familiar to me

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i know that you and i have not covered

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it up so will look at that but

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for some reason the name sounds

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so familiar

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they get up yep no doubt

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then he heard ah i

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just got it's minnesota mainly i

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just sat down listening to so waitresses

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and wanted to give

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you guys a little bit more information

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about st cloud ah it's really

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really add these past couple of years

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i'm you can park your car

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in your driveway right next to your house and

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come out and all your stuff will be stolen

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crackheads will walk up here door and

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found on it interesting that they lived there are

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people get kidnapped from the walmart

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avoid coming to st cloud at all

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costs if you can if you value your safety

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a makes it a little harder to keep your head

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on a swivel but you know we

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we do our about though here but i just wanted to

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comment on st cloud because i have

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personally unique and slightly terrifying

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information about that i'm

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i am one hundred percent humidity

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sorry for every time i hear about

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can be i picture the i currently do

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lifting up a shirt and wiggling around this fat

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and it's he left a

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they further you guys you keep your own time

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the first of all what you don't know

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is that every time we finish

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have recording session

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you be jumps up on the chair lists his shirt

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up and does the truffle

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shuffle

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what i do you know any it does

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take me back you my girls are

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or of an age that

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they watched a ton of i carly

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i've seen every episode so there

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you go and i think it's coming back

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bring back all the they brought a back

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made his yeah i would watch it now

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but i watched the with them along

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interesting

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the issue of of the town she painted

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well

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i can tell you want the visitors

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bureau ah there and st

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cloud is not going to be asking

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her to do any promos

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or

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you know

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advertisements for the city of

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to try to keep it real is emerging would have real

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by it's kind of terrifying it

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is actually do that's

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it for another episode of true crime

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