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day we're talking about another

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really big case it is and that's

4:20

the disappearance of siren for

4:23

though in this case as

4:25

well as the james bolger case

4:27

both of those have been

4:29

in a really high on the list of

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the most requested cases that

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we've had for a number of years earlier

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in june two thousand and ten seven

4:40

year old car and disappeared from

4:42

portland oregon the

4:44

second grader live with his father step

4:46

mother and baby sister iran

4:49

was last seen by his stepmother after

4:51

she walked him inside to school to

4:54

drop off a project for the school

4:56

science for hi run never

4:58

made it to his first class first

5:01

his family knew of his disappearance was

5:03

when he failed to arrive home

5:05

on the school bus and

5:07

gives I know that you've talked about on

5:10

a number of podcast

5:13

me kind of looking out the window

5:15

when my daughters were younger seen

5:18

them, get off the and

5:20

then I would follow them

5:22

until they made

5:24

it to the front door. I made sure

5:26

that they got inside. If

5:29

one of my

5:30

Girls failed to get off the bus, I'm

5:34

about it right now. The feeling

5:36

bad, I would have

5:38

in the pit of my stomach wondering

5:41

what's going on, actually,

5:43

I've had that feeling before. i

5:45

remember one time my youngest had to say

5:47

at school for something

5:49

after school right then

5:51

everybody forgot to tell me about it oh

5:54

me i was freaking out

5:57

i called my wife on the phones

5:59

obviously the quickly told me

6:01

what it was so my anxiety

6:03

level came down but in that first

6:06

instant those first couple of minutes

6:09

i would panic stricken sure the

6:11

bearable panic the case of

6:13

the young missing boy resulted in the largest

6:16

criminal investigation in

6:18

oregon history every resource

6:20

of a was invested in finding

6:23

out what happened to cairo the

6:25

logo and state police along

6:27

with the f b i combining

6:29

their efforts in an attempt to

6:31

locate not long after

6:33

firing disappear the focus

6:35

turned to his stuff he

6:38

was the last person said to have

6:40

seen him i there was nothing directly

6:43

linking her to his disappear and

6:46

the investigation lost momentum as

6:49

time passed the surface

6:51

the current step mother had allegedly

6:53

put out a contract the on

6:55

tyrants father in the months

6:57

before firing disappear this

7:00

shocking development wasn't the only thing

7:02

keeping the story in

7:04

the headlines hiring mother

7:07

initiated legal proceedings against

7:09

his stepmother claiming that

7:12

she was responsible for his disappear

7:15

the even this failed to yield any

7:17

information the about sirens

7:20

were by further suspicions

7:22

were raised possibly implicating

7:24

one of tyron step mothers friends

7:26

in the case you were going to get

7:28

into all with this right as

7:30

we dive deeper into this episode i

7:34

ran home and remains missing to this

7:36

day dedicated investigators

7:38

are committed to finding out what happened

7:40

to him his parents hold out hope

7:43

that he saw live despite

7:45

the lack of significant breakthroughs

7:48

in recent years the became

7:50

a tough case big always

7:52

tov when you're when you're talking about a

7:55

a a young child what i will say

7:57

this is a case and the

8:00

the all really going to

8:02

they they get fascinated by

8:05

use some of the details it

8:07

is led to a lot of speculation

8:10

the bow the just who

8:12

was involved in his disappearance

8:15

and it continues this day

8:18

hiring horman was born on september

8:21

nine two thousand two and poor

8:23

lends to his parents chain

8:25

and deseret it was an only

8:27

child the time of tyrants

8:29

birth his parents' relationship

8:31

had broken the the divorce

8:34

proceedings were already underway

8:37

this time caine was already dating

8:39

someone new thirty two year old

8:41

substitute teacher harry

8:44

molten who already had

8:46

an eight year old son james from

8:48

her first marriage according to

8:50

the william met we kane

8:52

and deseret agreed to have a shared custody

8:55

arrangements for tyron the on

8:57

the time that he was born in two

8:59

thousand for deseret required

9:02

intensive medical treatments for

9:04

kidney cells given

9:06

the fact that she would be traveling to canada

9:09

you receive life saving treatment

9:11

the couple agreed that kane would have

9:14

sole custody of car when deseret

9:16

return to the u s c continued

9:18

to be heavily involved in sirens

9:20

why in april two thousand

9:23

and seventeen and terry gotten

9:25

married in in december of the

9:27

following year the couple had a daughter

9:29

named cheer hiring

9:31

and started school would skyline elements

9:34

in a rural area in northwest

9:36

portland about two miles

9:38

from the form and home here he

9:40

was very involved the entire

9:42

ends up he volunteered

9:45

at a school she took him to swimming

9:47

lessons with his step brother and

9:49

baby sister in february

9:51

two thousand and ten terry son

9:54

james moved out of the home in

9:56

lived with terry's parents

9:58

after and argument between

10:01

mother and son so there's

10:03

a lot going on here there is then

10:05

i do think we need to unpack a

10:07

little bit of it karen's

10:10

pairs marriage was essentially

10:12

over bro intents

10:14

and purposes by the time he

10:16

was born yeah exactly then

10:19

you know his dad was already dating

10:21

somebody new

10:23

who he would later marry

10:25

harry

10:26

the man you know a couple of years

10:28

after he was born his mother

10:31

the about kidney failure and

10:34

so she's traveling

10:36

to another country to get this life saving

10:39

treatment then

10:41

tyrants father has sole custody

10:44

which means that terry is playing

10:46

a very big role a huge role not

10:49

only step mother but really

10:51

along with kane then

10:54

i'm raising yeah

10:57

because unfortunately his mom just

10:59

couldn't be they're all that

11:01

much the you get a lot of family

11:03

dynamics going on here sir events

11:06

you know terry's son from

11:09

her first marriage moves out lives

11:12

with her parents because they can

11:14

get along the i think it's important

11:16

to can of paint the picture of

11:18

the family dynamics the environment

11:21

that the know hiring grew

11:23

up in the players the actors

11:26

everyone involved on june

11:28

four two thousand and ten here

11:30

he drove cairo and school the

11:33

it was noted that he usually took

11:35

the bus that on this day

11:37

he had a project with him that

11:39

he had to drop off at the school science

11:42

fair before his classes

11:44

started then i remember those days

11:46

you know my my kids like i said normally

11:48

rode the bus there were

11:50

those days where they had a a big

11:52

project doom when i say big i mean

11:55

too big to take on

11:57

the bus though the

11:59

new the be driven yeah to school

12:01

and dropped off it just it just had to

12:03

be done a member i had

12:05

to be driven back and take is always

12:08

took the bus

12:09

remember i had to science fair

12:11

project rights and as big sheet

12:13

of plywood where i decided to do

12:15

the the biography of

12:17

asia the the wow

12:20

god always bags of soda some

12:22

how old is glue and i was making all

12:24

this like typography is how

12:27

would lay out anna you

12:29

know good the do i the

12:31

the the the plywood and all that on

12:34

it got into my grand mom's

12:36

van kana didn't

12:38

hold the way said how they are just kind of west

12:40

oakland a slide

12:42

though you weren't that great with the glue i

12:44

don't know what impresses me more about that

12:46

story the fact it's you

12:48

know the word typography it was

12:51

rough and used it correctly there for

12:53

that you chose to to do a to

12:56

hi guys are now so it's

12:58

maxime impressed by the whole thing

13:01

that it was reported that tyron had been

13:03

working hard on his exhibit it

13:05

was about the red i'd prefer

13:08

which terry helped him taken the school

13:10

just after they arrived around

13:13

eighty hi run was also

13:15

due to participate in the schools talent

13:17

show that day the now was scheduled

13:20

from one to two forty five

13:22

pm though terry entire and

13:24

first went into sirens classroom

13:27

where he dropped off his cone his backpack

13:30

before heading to the science

13:32

fair which was being held

13:34

on school grounds the president

13:36

of the school pts later

13:38

told police that she saw terry

13:40

and fire and to gather around

13:43

eight fifteen am the ending

13:45

in front of sirens exhibit where

13:47

terry took some photographs

13:49

the way no one ever took photos of my

13:52

science projects ever how

13:55

could they sound like most of it ended up in

13:57

you friend's mom's me

14:00

he did but still photo would have a nice the

14:02

and take a photo of the floor of the many banned

14:04

us this is what it was going

14:06

to be there is asia according to

14:09

terry's account he stayed for

14:11

another half an hour before leaving

14:13

at age forty five am when

14:15

the bell rang she watched is

14:17

tyron walk down the hall to his classroom

14:20

and then she went off to run some air

14:23

iran always took the bus home from

14:25

school any usually arrived

14:27

around three thirty pm later

14:30

that day after school harry

14:32

kane and sierra walk

14:34

to school bus to meet him the

14:37

wasn't there i think gibbs

14:39

they were confused and

14:41

probably extremely worried

14:44

when the bus driver told them that siren

14:46

hands on on the boss in the first four

14:49

the was around three forty five pm

14:51

that are worried terry called the school to

14:54

see where siren was her

14:56

anxiety only increase when she was

14:58

told that he hadn't been in

15:00

class sad day at all and

15:02

was even marked as absent

15:04

that morning by his home room teacher

15:07

that's a huge problem who'd well

15:10

especially when you put his in

15:13

the context of so much

15:15

time has a lot so

15:18

obviously now this is not a situation

15:21

where he just missed the bus ride because

15:23

we're going all the way from

15:26

your three thirty pm

15:29

that to eight forty five am

15:32

the seven hours because he never

15:34

showed up to his first class after

15:38

terry called the school the

15:40

school secretary called nine

15:42

one one the report kira

15:44

miss and obviously in his family

15:46

was extremely concerned

15:49

the was said to be acquired introverted

15:52

kid the was now boeing

15:54

he was an adventurous so

15:57

it would be completely out of character

15:59

the him to a just wandered off from

16:01

school on his you don't have

16:03

the some some you've talked about many times

16:06

writes the first twenty four hours

16:08

the first forty eight hours after someone

16:10

goes missing are extremely

16:13

critical in any investigation

16:16

yeah the army i think you want to

16:18

the investigation as soon as possible hi

16:21

everybody and still recall

16:24

what happened that day what they saw

16:26

where the solid few things like that because

16:28

we know that as time passes the

16:30

bulls memory that

16:33

that great the recall is not that strong

16:36

the guy run was reported missing

16:39

by the been time he was

16:41

gibbs it's been almost seven

16:43

hour though he

16:45

likely to say right there are there is

16:47

some time that is law following

16:50

the call reporting his disappearance

16:52

two teams of officers arrived at the school

16:55

and the corpsman home just

16:57

after four thirty pm those

16:59

locations were searched extensively

17:02

including crawl spaces storage

17:04

areas and out bill no

17:07

sign of tiring and about an hour

17:09

later the schools and out a text

17:11

message to the families of all

17:13

skyline students informing

17:16

them that siren was missing search

17:18

arrangements began to be coordinated

17:21

between seven and seven forty five

17:23

pm the sheer contacted

17:26

the f b i to alert them

17:28

of tyrants disappearance his

17:30

photo and physical description

17:32

was distributed to local media

17:35

outlets though mean

17:37

one thing that does jump out at me is

17:40

with in about three hours

17:43

the sheriff had already reached out to the

17:45

spr things are moving that a good

17:47

pace yeah well this is something

17:49

that i do like to bring

17:51

up the local

17:53

agencies reach out for help if

17:56

you can get the help of the f b i

17:58

this more power absolutely take

18:00

that help death so to reach

18:02

out you know within just a few

18:04

hours really says a lot to me

18:08

about how seriously they took

18:10

his disappear here he

18:12

told police that after saying

18:14

goodbye to cairo around a forty

18:16

five am she went to

18:18

fred meyers to get groceries

18:21

that to separate location they

18:23

also explain that her daughter

18:25

kiera had in years so

18:28

carry drove her daughter around town

18:30

from ten ten the about

18:32

eleven forty am in

18:34

an attempt to help alleviate the

18:36

pain which she claimed the

18:39

held by the constant motion of

18:41

the zero

18:42

mm or got my kid around just trying to get in

18:44

the fall asleep because they had that

18:46

colic but

18:48

the robot iraq yeah i mean that that

18:50

did kind of jump out at me i'm with you

18:53

you're riding in a vehicle puts me to

18:55

sleep yeah and it definitely helps

18:57

put my kids sleeps at certain

18:59

times when we needed that

19:01

assistant i've never heard

19:04

of the constant motion

19:06

of of the a goal being good for

19:08

an eerie maybe that's something

19:11

that works i don't know the afterward

19:13

terry said she went for workout at

19:15

a local gym where she stayed until

19:18

twelve forty pm before going

19:20

home at one twenty one pm

19:23

he posted the photos on facebook

19:25

that she'd taken of tyron at the science

19:28

fair that more this is like she has

19:30

a the detailed timeline of what occurred

19:32

that day kira went missing the

19:34

early detail now it's also

19:37

hurricane and i'm sure that's something

19:39

we're gonna talk about as we move forward within

19:42

two days of tyron been reported

19:45

missing the massive surge was

19:47

under way the personnel arriving

19:49

from washington in california

19:52

search parties covered a two mile radius

19:54

or the school grounds and

19:57

the surrounding wooded area police

19:59

interview the whole staff and three hundred

20:01

students at the school but no

20:03

one recalled seeing tyrants

20:05

after the bell rang at a forty five

20:07

am one student claimed

20:10

that they saw kira near the school southern

20:12

entrance but this citing was

20:15

later retracted why the malt

20:17

know my county sheriff's office harry

20:19

took the face but letting people

20:22

know that she'd ordered one

20:24

thousand flyers which volunteers

20:26

could collect from her home to disturb

20:29

the we know terry said she last

20:31

saw car and and a forty five now

20:33

they've interviewed staff

20:36

and students the know one they

20:38

they saw him hi there well

20:40

i'm assuming it was because he was not

20:42

there after eight forty

20:44

five why the evening of

20:47

june six

20:48

sure if it escalated the disappearance

20:51

to a missing endangered child

20:54

stop short of categorizing it

20:56

as an abduction the in the first

20:58

seventy two hours police were inundated

21:01

with around twelve hundred tips

21:03

that's like that's a big number

21:06

the new and i have done a

21:08

myriad of case we

21:10

we we talked about john

21:13

list yeah couple of weeks

21:15

ago the profound him

21:17

on america's most wanted and

21:19

i think the guy who are three hundred tips

21:22

the her so are you put that

21:24

into perspective twelve hundred is

21:26

a very large number five

21:28

days after siren went missing

21:31

his family released a statement to the press

21:34

they thanked the public for their support

21:36

and they appealed for people to continue

21:38

the search efforts by looking

21:40

over their own proper okay

21:43

oh stuff that i think you

21:45

know any family would do you

21:48

need the public support because you

21:50

need the public's help

21:51

in looking for your lost child

21:54

yeah you want keep it fresh you don't want it allowed to get stale

21:56

just because you don't want people to

21:59

lose the entrance you

22:01

need them you do you need the

22:03

volunteers you need the help of

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wind the search for firing

24:37

continued for ten days

24:40

and it included portland

24:42

mountain rescue it also

24:45

included the national guard that

24:47

less than two weeks after his

24:49

disappearance it was scaled back cnn

24:52

reported on born force months announcement

24:55

that's the case was being upgraded

24:57

from a missing person who

24:59

a criminal investigation there

25:02

was an appeal for video footage

25:04

of traffic on several roads

25:06

in the portland area near

25:08

the vicinity of the school please

25:10

divers also searched the waters

25:12

off the banks of the malt noma

25:15

channel north of the

25:17

saw the island bridge on saw

25:19

the island but didn't provide any

25:21

information as to why they were focusing

25:24

on this area that is a couple

25:26

of things here dibs the less

25:28

than two weeks after siren

25:31

disappear the scale back

25:33

was the appeared to be a pretty

25:36

massive search effort again

25:39

that type of massive search africa

25:41

cannot continue in decimal

25:44

the just can't notes the costly

25:47

yes costly from a

25:49

law enforcement perspective

25:52

but also you have a lot

25:54

of volunteers you can't spend

25:57

month after month after month the

25:59

bond the the time the a lot

26:01

of people can only do that for so long and

26:04

then you have resources like mountain

26:06

rescue the national guard okay

26:09

there are other things that they need

26:11

to be doing yeah the

26:13

researchers somewhere else your the all

26:15

this has to be extremely

26:18

tough on the same not only is

26:21

tyron missing but then you're seeing

26:23

the efforts can have dwindled

26:26

as the days go by that

26:28

so now all the sudden

26:30

it appears as though they're focusing

26:32

on specific roads

26:35

specific bodies of water what

26:37

they're not saying why why

26:40

are you doing at why over there right now

26:42

maybe they were communicating some of this

26:44

to the family i don't know not

26:47

made public but it's the family didn't

26:49

know okay there's another

26:52

level love the anxiety

26:54

sure is that mean that

26:56

you received a tip that the

26:59

leading you to that area it's gonna be some

27:01

three on june seventeen rumors

27:04

spread across social media is a sirens

27:06

body had been found the law enforcement

27:09

dismiss this as being an accurate

27:11

the speculation was extremely distressed

27:14

for the form and family of course meanwhile

27:17

police distributed questionnaires

27:19

to the skyline elementary community

27:22

asking for information

27:25

about whether anyone saw kyron

27:27

terry or or the white

27:29

ford f two fifty pick the he

27:32

drove on june four

27:34

we know if we want all the information they can get

27:36

naked weed through that determine what's good information

27:38

what's bad information what do we say

27:40

have an information the maybe there's something

27:43

in that that can help investigation

27:45

on june twenty first nbc news

27:48

published an open letter from

27:50

deseret to her missing some the

27:52

read i would give anything to

27:54

run my fingers through your short hair

27:57

again i miss having you'd a

27:59

hog any time the my one night

28:01

time is always hard for me i

28:03

miss you so much and once you

28:05

back here so that i can protect

28:08

you from all the horrible things in

28:10

this world i just can't believe

28:12

that you aren't still with us i

28:14

pray that you come back to me because i'm afraid

28:17

that i can't live without i

28:19

miss you every second of every

28:21

day i would give my life for

28:23

years i just want you back

28:26

say you must come back

28:28

to us though i mean that's

28:30

tear jerker it is gives is is no way

28:32

around it

28:33

you can feel you the paying

28:36

or long mean who want

28:38

her son back yeah as

28:41

rain keen started making media

28:43

appearances the help get their

28:45

son story out there

28:47

like you said you don't want it get still right you got to keep

28:49

it fresh got people interested

28:52

in the story otherwise it can be

28:54

easily forgot

28:55

the tribute to cairo was created

28:57

that skyline elementary very

29:00

quickly the chain link fence

29:02

known as the wall of hope was filled

29:04

with cards flowers blues

29:07

and rubber from the war

29:09

would later be relocated to a field

29:12

in front of to walton valley

29:14

fire and rescue fire station three

29:16

sixty eight on northwest skyline

29:19

beloved though good the thing

29:21

you know by this time investigators

29:24

were pretty confident that

29:26

it wasn't a stranger who

29:28

had abducted car they had

29:30

done some investigation they

29:32

had checked phone records it

29:35

also check the movements of

29:37

everyone and sirens family on

29:40

the day in question harry's

29:42

accounts of her death her

29:44

movements on that day inflicted

29:47

with her cell phone records the

29:50

ray it also grown suspicious as

29:52

teary had been referring to siren

29:55

in the past tense ever since

29:57

he'd gone missing alarming him

29:59

in the point i get why that

30:02

would cause suspicion no what

30:04

family member once to

30:07

believe that their loved

30:09

one is gone for ever

30:11

right the past tense kind

30:13

of denotes go on forever

30:16

most family members don't speak like

30:18

that hazard yes

30:20

yeah the present tense he

30:22

is she is he

30:25

will be he will be police

30:27

interviewed any one who had regular contact

30:30

with the family or who

30:32

had visited their home including

30:34

the families former landscaper

30:37

rudy sansa rudy told

30:39

investigators that in january two

30:41

thousand and ten round six months

30:43

before tyron disappeared harry

30:46

approached him the offering him

30:49

money to kill her

30:51

husband case higher and farther

30:54

the soccer well this is know

30:56

a a plot thickener this

30:59

is where in the

31:02

the time so it would go

31:04

bomb bomb bomb right because

31:07

is a bombshell yeah right this

31:09

is true you could commit one crime

31:11

maybe even commit another crime the him

31:14

definitely the offering money

31:16

to someone to kill someone else

31:18

is a crime is that actually

31:20

for the detectives so good

31:22

pretty seriously they felt that it

31:24

was in teens best interest to know

31:27

when he was told about this

31:29

shocking piece of information yeah

31:32

he didn't waste any time

31:34

he moved out of the family home on

31:36

june twenty sixth taking

31:38

eighteen month old sierra

31:41

with though it doesn't sound

31:43

to me like he had

31:45

a lot of doubts that this

31:48

probably took place the

31:50

key felt like a yeah think she might have

31:52

a this or that up so i'm outta here

31:55

but investigators one to take it further

31:57

so they convinced worry to agree

32:00

where wire and confront

32:02

terry about the alleged contract

32:04

killing the same day came

32:06

moved out rudy knocked on

32:08

terror door that law enforcement

32:10

agents watching from covert

32:13

vantage points the ask

32:15

for the money that she'd promised

32:18

what the operation didn't go as planned

32:21

harry call my mom more saying

32:23

someone was that are door demanding

32:25

ten thousand doll according

32:28

to the charlie project terry called

32:30

my mom one twice a day wanted

32:32

five seventeen pm which

32:35

was classified as a

32:37

threat score and then again

32:39

at eleven thirty nine pm which

32:42

was said to be related to

32:44

child costs he had

32:46

gone by the time terry made both call

32:49

the police questioned terry yeah

32:52

right dinner ever making an

32:54

offer to rudy to kill her

32:58

solder restraining order against terry

33:00

any filed for divorce two days

33:02

later so you're like i said

33:04

is this guy didn't mess around the

33:07

obviously took all this very

33:09

seriously or he

33:11

was ready to move on anyway i mean you can which

33:13

had a couple different ways but i

33:15

do say if police come to

33:17

you then they say the

33:20

we have information that

33:23

your wife may have put a hit out on you

33:25

okay some you might want to take seriously

33:28

and obviously he didn't have a gun want to the

33:30

hang around the see how goes in the future

33:33

i don't know if i want to be alone and have a talk

33:35

and you try to that it

33:37

out the mean of mean moon

33:40

test your food every time you eat it sleep

33:42

one one eye open

33:44

don't drink that gateway to make

33:46

sure everything seal in

33:48

his applications for divorce came

33:51

stated that he believes

33:53

terry was responsible for sirens

33:55

disappear as an that he also

33:57

feared for his wife the divorce

33:59

was granted the court ordered

34:01

terry to have no contact with kane

34:04

tyron tear up more

34:07

her teenage son the news came

34:09

on the heels of teens allegation

34:12

harry attempted to abduct

34:14

here from daycare only

34:17

two days after the restraining

34:19

order was grants the theater

34:21

violate a restraining order according

34:23

to a b c news came made

34:25

some other allegations these

34:28

included terry starting

34:30

an affair with another man

34:32

only four days after team

34:34

moved out the and giving his

34:37

new address to her new part

34:39

when the press learned of terror is alleged

34:42

murder for hire plot involving

34:44

came the nother skills

34:46

and so out of the claws as reported

34:48

on the news sides oregon live

34:51

the man identified only as shot which

34:54

the possibly an alias the

34:56

that when he was dating terry and ninety

34:59

nine the two of them were walking

35:01

in a local park the important one

35:04

in stopped at a picnic table the have

35:06

lunch he said that as

35:08

they were seated their man jumped out

35:10

of the bushes in pointed

35:12

a gun and shot he said it carry

35:15

then yelled he's here for you

35:17

that the gunman chickened

35:20

out and ran away without firing

35:22

a single shot

35:23

okay that is true that will be relationship

35:26

and or set i'm assuming that

35:28

the that's why they are

35:31

broke it off her that's why he broke it off

35:33

with her

35:34

right because nothing really ever came

35:36

from the incident the never

35:38

reported to the police at the time

35:42

i'm telling you right now for guy comes out of the bushes

35:44

holding a gun whether he fires one

35:46

off or not having to least

35:48

i'm gonna do is make a call to the authority

35:52

going on and on record really

35:54

it was only after he learned of

35:57

the plot terry was accused of

36:00

the against kane that he

36:02

came forward with this information sean

36:04

was an inmate in the county jail the time

36:07

and it's already took him to the park to attempt

36:10

to corroborate a store not

36:12

really known you know what the outcome

36:14

was up these efforts because

36:16

terriers never been charged in

36:18

either alleged murder for hire

36:20

applied it is possible

36:22

that sean story didn't hold a whole lot

36:24

of weight with the police well maybe

36:27

where he was imprisoned maybe thought if

36:29

i could die capitalize yeah

36:32

on what's going on yeah

36:34

i mean not calling this guy a wire

36:37

but wire will say though

36:39

it is kind of unusual

36:41

when you think about the time okay

36:44

so my pops out of the bushes and

36:47

the is the tentatively their

36:49

to murder you then you know

36:52

alert the police you only

36:54

bring it up after this then

36:56

a new revelation comes out about

36:59

terry it's somewhat

37:01

suspicious that you would have to

37:03

say things don't look road rage

37:06

you know as as far as serious concern

37:08

there's there's a lot of suspicion on her

37:11

serious at this point in time there

37:13

have been quite a few allegations

37:16

that have been made against her in

37:18

in gives i think things even

37:20

looked worse when it came out the

37:23

terry failed not one but

37:25

two different polygraphs there

37:27

was also said that she later walked

37:29

out on a third test and

37:31

allegedly commented to a friend that

37:34

she was done cooperating with won't

37:36

force the analysts he

37:38

has said in some interviews that he

37:41

has a bad year the you can't

37:43

really hear well out of it in that one

37:45

year is where the faster

37:48

would offer the questions

37:50

the she says she couldn't really understand

37:52

what the questions were the then a tester

37:54

would sit closer to her make

37:57

sure that she could hear him

37:59

or them better the

38:01

claim is that she just couldn't really understand

38:04

the question so she answered the best a secret now

38:06

you would think if you made

38:09

that know

38:10

that they would make an accommodation

38:12

for you yeah and maybe sit on the

38:14

other side or you

38:16

know something like that fell

38:18

once or twice the

38:21

get frustrated on the third the temp

38:23

for probably because you know that

38:25

you were going unfilled that one as well again

38:27

it all goes back to

38:30

it didn't look none

38:32

of this stuff is really actionable

38:35

right from the standpoint of

38:37

law enforcement and we'll

38:39

talk about it probably later but definitely

38:41

from the standpoint of public opinion

38:44

the make you look good the

38:46

new kind of combine all

38:48

these say according to the book

38:51

boy missing by author rebecca

38:53

yours around the same time

38:56

it also emerged that the day

38:58

siren disappeared harry

39:00

washed his jacket and bank

39:02

i would you do that i don't know

39:04

the reasoning i can tell you what

39:07

a lot of people would

39:09

surmise her and it would

39:11

be that you would do that

39:14

to possibly get rid of any

39:16

incriminating evidence or something

39:18

like that a month after

39:21

siren witness deseret

39:23

along with kane and tony

39:26

made an impassioned public place or

39:28

terry to cooperate with the

39:30

investigation instead terry

39:33

move back to her home town of rose byrd

39:35

oregon which allowed kane and

39:37

kiera to move back into

39:39

the family home around the same time

39:42

a grand jury subpoenas some of

39:44

terry's close friends the including

39:47

a woman named dd spicer

39:49

according to cnn there's a raise

39:52

cain described dd is

39:54

having had close contact with terry

39:56

and advising teary in a way

39:59

based so the not in tyrants

40:01

best interests one point

40:04

law enforcement search dd condom

40:06

the and vehicle and found her what

40:09

they called extremely quiet currently

40:12

give she sat through hours and

40:14

hours of questioning from detectives

40:17

according to a b c news dd was

40:19

at work on the day in question

40:22

preparing for a garden tour at a large

40:24

nursery on germantown road

40:26

in northwest portal witnesses

40:29

claim that around eleven

40:31

thirty eight he laughed work

40:33

and was absent for ninety min this

40:36

is something that dd has denied

40:39

cbs news reported that did

40:41

he had moved in with here the

40:43

support her then helped her purchase

40:46

an untraceable self he

40:48

told detectives she had no knowledge of

40:50

tyrants disappearance and

40:52

she defended terror she

40:55

believed was entirely innocent so

40:57

weird he said that investigators

41:00

appealed to the public no

41:02

asking people to come forward if they

41:04

had seen tyron harry

41:07

terry's pick up i think after

41:09

all this came out they had a dd

41:12

the into the mix yeah saying hey

41:15

you know if you saw her between

41:17

nine forty five am and one

41:19

pm on the day in question let us

41:21

know i think we want to have that a countability

41:24

for that ninety minutes the in late

41:26

july according to the associated

41:29

press a twenty five thousand dollar reward

41:31

offer for information leading to

41:33

the discovery of tyrants was

41:35

increased to fifty thousand dollars

41:38

the in early august two thousand and ten

41:41

there's raise cain and skyline

41:43

school principal testified

41:45

to a grand jury it emerged

41:47

that witnesses spotted a second

41:49

on identified a dog in

41:51

terry's pick up when tyron

41:53

disappear though in response law

41:56

enforcement ask people to come forward we'd

41:58

seen terry driving the pick up the

42:01

long north west springfield road

42:03

northwest skyline boulevard springville

42:07

to newbury road or along

42:09

old german town in germantown road

42:12

between ten fifteen and eleven thirty

42:15

that day two months after siren

42:17

disappear law enforcement resume

42:19

the ground search focusing on

42:21

the old germantown road lou to

42:24

the home where dd was gardening the day

42:26

siren was last seen they really

42:28

are trying to focus in what

42:30

was going on with harry that

42:32

day right yeah they are but

42:35

is the really bringing dd into

42:37

the mix specifically

42:39

you know searching around the area

42:41

where she was thought to

42:43

have been that day hi this

42:45

stage of the investigation more

42:47

information emerged about

42:50

terry's relationships and

42:52

there was no good

42:53

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44:00

had distance herself from the

44:02

investigation he was no

44:04

longer providing a

44:06

united front with kane deseret

44:09

and tony then i think we all

44:11

can understand why based on what

44:13

we talked about in

44:15

an exclusive interview with the oregonian

44:18

he detailed how carry suffered

44:21

post partum depression following

44:23

tear his birth the interior often

44:25

clashed over disciplining cairo

44:28

especially in the year leading up to his

44:31

disappear the said terry

44:33

was relentlessly critical the

44:36

schools teaching staff and

44:38

that she just kind of seen them happy

44:40

overall if she was a

44:43

the to teacher so obviously

44:45

she probably had her own that's about

44:47

how they should be teaching the she had

44:49

post partum i mean maybe

44:51

she wasn't happy at all that post partum

44:54

depression can be pretty rough the in

44:56

the months the fall

44:57

right things return to saw

44:59

the island twice but found nothing

45:02

he was fighting terrorism location

45:04

to have unsupervised visitations

45:06

with sierra according to

45:08

the oregonian kane told the court

45:11

the terry haddon alcohol abuse problem

45:14

and undiagnosed personality disorder

45:17

and was in emotionally disturbed

45:19

individual focus on her own needs

45:22

rather than the needs of kiera or

45:24

my missing time he bullied

45:26

clear wasn't safe would tear in

45:29

may have witnessed some unimaginable

45:31

act of horror when tyron

45:33

witness there's a raid publicly

45:36

accuse terry of heating car then

45:38

she also criticized cane for making

45:40

what she described as poor choices

45:43

meaning marrying a very yeah

45:46

i mean everybody's against harry at this

45:48

point in time right is it seems

45:51

like the point where he

45:53

or she moves out of the home moves

45:55

back to her home town

45:58

my assumption is keen probably

46:00

wouldn't even have argued

46:02

that he made a poor choice based on his

46:05

axe your surf zone and what he was told

46:07

the court and stuff the i

46:09

agree with you i did there's two

46:11

thousand came to an end the

46:13

total cost of the search is

46:15

up to that point amen

46:17

is around one point four million

46:19

dollars and it's a lot the a

46:22

to put ever put a price tag on searches

46:24

right

46:25

still has to be accounted for our money

46:27

is a factor

46:29

in a perfect world it wouldn't be

46:31

right you'd have unlimited resources

46:34

to throw at every case said every

46:37

you know missing persons case

46:39

abduction whatever

46:41

it is we live

46:43

in the real world and we know that that's

46:46

not how we're and despite

46:48

receiving over forty two hundred

46:50

tips the either tyron

46:52

nor any evidence relating to his disappearance

46:55

had been set the wanted to ups

46:58

forty two hundred this then

47:00

we mentioned the grand jury right the convened

47:03

a grand jury the problem

47:05

they had was a lack of compelling

47:07

ever and so because

47:10

of that there were no indictments

47:12

returns six months into

47:14

the investigation in late

47:17

january two thousand and eleven another

47:19

unsuccessful survey was conducted

47:21

in rural north and west poor

47:23

one with canine teams

47:26

across both know mechanic

47:28

into washington in colombia

47:30

counties according to the oregonian

47:33

the search focused on private plan

47:36

for mostly logging land

47:38

a long northwest skyline

47:40

boulevard between rocky

47:42

point road and low

47:44

heat rail road the and around

47:46

dixie now kane and deseret

47:49

the lack of answers was heartbreaking but

47:52

they were assisted by six f

47:54

b i agents who were working the case

47:57

in late more searches return

47:59

to a stretch the are northwest skyline

48:01

right than a gravel road in

48:03

the dixie mountain air do

48:06

a lot of search a lot of searches

48:08

we said you know it's the end of two thousand

48:10

and ten one point four million

48:13

dollars had been spared i

48:15

want to talk about the specificity

48:18

have you some of these locations

48:21

my assumption is gives it he came

48:23

from some of those forty two hundred

48:26

yeah yeah because the

48:28

divers the search teams

48:31

it seems as though they were really

48:34

focus on very specific

48:36

roads and or location

48:38

some a non think you're gonna rain and we go out to

48:40

surf spots right the i

48:43

think you do some times and serves

48:45

as you can have huge

48:47

swaths of land and searchers

48:50

holding hands and you seen that on t v

48:53

but we're talking about your very

48:55

specific defined air is

48:57

defined air and

49:00

yeah you can say the wooded areas

49:02

around the school okay well that that makes

49:05

sense like you're gonna wanna start there

49:07

and work your way out but these

49:09

forty two hundred tips had to have

49:11

led to some of these detailed

49:13

searches who years after

49:15

tyrant van deseret

49:18

filed a civil lawsuit against terry

49:20

seeking ten million dollars in damages

49:23

and claiming the terry was responsible

49:25

for sirens disappear according

49:28

to the statesmen journal two months

49:30

later harry's motion to delay

49:33

the lawsuit was denied by the

49:35

court the jury wasn't the only

49:37

one facing scrutiny under this

49:39

lawsuit her friend dd refused

49:41

to answer any questions put the

49:43

hers part of the proceedings this

49:46

included clarifying her whereabouts

49:48

on the dane question the

49:50

and any contact she may have had

49:52

with tear instead dd assorted

49:54

her fifth amendment right under the constitution

49:57

not to incriminate her so

50:00

late august two thousand and thirteen hey

50:02

to you tv reported that the

50:05

rate dropped her lawsuit against here

50:08

kane and deseret decided to

50:10

turn to the doctor social the

50:12

raise awareness of tyrants case

50:15

you're a reiterated her belief that

50:17

carry was somehow involved in tyrants

50:20

disappearance motivated by

50:22

a grudge against siren causing

50:25

a rare in terry and keynes mere

50:27

the other allegations against terror included

50:30

her sending emails to friends saying

50:32

she hated time that

50:34

she as deseret to have focused

50:38

though gibbs the hits just keep calm

50:40

and right against terror now

50:42

came and deseret you know we're on the doctor

50:44

phil show it seems

50:46

as though every allegation been

50:49

levied is being levied against

50:52

terry rights all fingers are being

50:54

pointed at her the now we

50:56

have a motivation being brought

50:58

forward and this motivation

51:01

is that harry was mad

51:04

the hiring head cause

51:06

the strain in herman

51:08

cain's mirror yeah because up

51:10

until this point my thought was what

51:13

on what is the motivation it

51:15

for terry to have add anything

51:17

to do with tyrants disappearance

51:19

well now at least something

51:22

has been brought forward whether it's true or not

51:24

we don't know or not we can't say

51:27

in december two thousand and thirteen kane

51:29

and carries divorce was finalized six

51:32

months later caine was awarded for

51:34

custody of tierra with

51:36

terry having approved supervised

51:39

visitation the in june two thousand

51:41

and fifteen he told reporters

51:43

that he firmly believe his

51:46

son will come home he

51:48

talked about how every year the purchase

51:50

new clothes and age appropriate

51:53

toys for tyrants in preparation

51:56

for his return out of called that

51:58

be they are you here a picture

52:01

a mother a father a you're

52:03

going to the store taking

52:05

our close estimating

52:08

you know what their son

52:10

or daughter would wear

52:12

what size would they be now

52:15

the toys would they want to play with at

52:17

this age image is absolutely

52:20

breaks your heart for sure the

52:23

on the fifth anniversary of tyrants

52:25

disappearance a candlelight vigil was

52:27

held at the wall of hope the

52:29

following year deseret wrote an

52:31

open letter saying the

52:33

she hoped the evil person who

52:36

took tyrants would grow a conscience

52:38

and do the right there now up

52:41

until this point we

52:43

haven't really talked a lot about carry

52:46

the opening up to the meat i think

52:48

that all kind of changed in two

52:50

thousand and sixteen that's when

52:53

terry you're really going broke her

52:55

silence she started doing media

52:57

interviews protesting her innocence

53:00

he talked about how she had

53:02

relocated california

53:05

to escape all of the public scrutiny

53:07

but yet in january

53:09

of that year she spoke with people magazine followed

53:12

by an appearance on the doctor phil show

53:15

in september during the taping

53:17

terry denied having the any

53:19

involvement in sirens disappearance

53:22

she alleged he was kidnapped

53:25

by a man in a white pick up hard

53:27

cathy sam and eleven on

53:29

highway thirty according

53:32

to be kg debate eight news

53:35

she felt the man was behaving strangely

53:37

in one of the convenience store employees

53:40

spoke to the after he'd been pacing

53:42

back and forth in front of the store

53:45

for about an hour during carries

53:47

interviews also revealed he'd

53:49

exchange explicit text

53:51

messages and photos with

53:53

one of kings friends only weeks

53:55

after sirens disappear okay

53:59

these opening up the coming

54:01

out to the media she sang hey i

54:03

didn't have anything to do with it the

54:05

rain keen went on dr phil

54:07

so she's going to go on dr phil

54:10

the kind of combat some the things

54:12

that you have been rome

54:15

at her the thing that really

54:18

jumps out to me is

54:20

this story about

54:22

the man in the white pickup our

54:24

dad seven eleven

54:27

you know her saying that she

54:29

believes this man kidnapped

54:32

time k i will like

54:34

six years yeah far more combative

54:36

now exactly that

54:38

information is real the been

54:40

interviewed by the authorities

54:43

how many different types right

54:45

she's been polygraphs twice

54:48

walked down on a third why

54:50

would that information not have come

54:52

on the in one

54:54

of those in or unless it did

54:57

it just was not made public bus

54:59

i don't know following the airing

55:02

of the doctor phil episode local

55:04

law enforcement conducted a surge

55:06

near the wildwood golf course

55:08

off us thirty and fortunately

55:11

no details were available about

55:13

exactly what they were looking for

55:15

according to the oregonian in

55:18

december two thousand and sixteen harry's

55:21

boyfriend accused her of holding a knife

55:23

to his face and threatening that

55:25

something would happen to him or spam

55:28

that same month she was due to appear

55:30

and a california courts on charges

55:32

of stealing her roommates gun the year

55:34

before and feeling to

55:36

appear in court okay again

55:39

the hits just keep on coming the

55:41

anything to never stop though

55:44

didn't i think you have to ask the question

55:47

is everyone out to get

55:49

this woman more are

55:51

her actions causing people

55:53

to say i

55:55

don't like what you doing here

55:57

in some of this is criminal then

56:01

i allege acts we're

56:03

talking about a lot of allegations

56:05

here then i want to stress that word

56:08

allegations but as a certain

56:10

point don't you have to look in kind of

56:12

examine the see

56:15

your what's the common denominator

56:18

the only thing right oh

56:20

you're right is terry yeah now

56:23

does that mean she had anything

56:25

to do with tyrants disappearance

56:27

not necessarily know but

56:30

can you make the argument that she's in

56:32

the middle of the whole bunch

56:34

of firestorm yeah

56:36

you can make that argue the chaos

56:39

going on sure in may two

56:41

thousand and seventeen the f b i

56:43

erected digital billboards across

56:45

words and hoping to john

56:47

people's memories and prompt them to come

56:49

forward investigators told

56:52

kgw aid news that's

56:54

despite the the

56:56

job the case it was so act

56:58

is not cold more

57:01

searches were conducted two months later

57:04

the more north west springfield road

57:06

and skyline boulevards

57:08

about five miles from the school but

57:10

least they're not given up right there

57:12

constantly searching they're constantly

57:14

searching but these two

57:17

roads in particular rose

57:19

we've already talked about there's something

57:22

keeps bringing them back you

57:25

too

57:26

these areas to these our

57:28

roadways

57:29

unfortunately nothing mean fourteen out

57:32

of the search efforts the oregonian

57:34

public comments by one county judge

57:37

who said that in his opinion

57:40

harry was quote a prime

57:42

suspect they also said the deseret

57:45

was organizing her own

57:47

private searches the

57:50

when a newspaper reports that

57:52

a county judge for whatever reason

57:55

the opining it's your

57:58

the prime suspect in this case the

58:01

that's pretty big as a judge

58:03

i would think you're extremely

58:06

careful with your work you

58:09

to bear you'd you'd have to fly from

58:11

a legal standpoint so the

58:13

you to make that the

58:16

statement the get a grand

58:18

it's an it's an opinion so it

58:20

does seem a big

58:22

deal the eighth anniversary

58:25

of sirens disappearance kgw

58:27

eight news reported on a facebook

58:29

post deseret had made

58:31

saying stay to something

58:34

big is coming i promise harry

58:37

isn't going to get away with staying silent

58:39

about weird siren is and

58:42

not have to answer for so

58:44

here's the other sir right to me

58:46

is that you're all these people

58:49

it's not as though they're backing

58:52

down the deseret in particular

58:54

has been extremely vocal

58:57

the saying that he believes

58:59

terry was involve in

59:02

her son's disappear as having kane is

59:04

said that too the like i mentioned

59:06

so many people pointing the finger at

59:08

her hiring case is an

59:10

ongoing act is investigation

59:14

we talked about right there had

59:16

been a lot of attention iraqi

59:18

that certain individuals

59:20

terry to a lesser extent

59:23

dd yeah the problem is

59:26

is far as we know there's no physical

59:28

effort or at least not

59:30

to the point where detectives have

59:33

been able to charge any one

59:35

the malt know my county sheriff told

59:37

kayo i am six news

59:40

that even if tyron is in

59:42

fact it doesn't mean that

59:44

an arrest can't be may well as true

59:46

right we seen that many cases be so

59:48

sure is it harder yeah i

59:50

think it is well it's not

59:53

harder to arrest somebody you can arrest

59:55

somebody give up but to get a

59:57

conviction i do think it's harder it

59:59

is possible to put the evidence

1:00:02

to go i think for us

1:00:04

we need to look at some possible scenarios

1:00:07

based on what we know we

1:00:09

to consider whether sirens disappearance

1:00:11

somehow resulted from an accident

1:00:15

having one thing that people point to

1:00:18

that kind of you know moves

1:00:20

away from the accident

1:00:23

theory is that his body has been

1:00:25

set we talked about it right he wasn't

1:00:27

an adventurous kid right it's

1:00:29

very unlikely that he just wandered

1:00:32

off the for is

1:00:34

that the child who

1:00:37

you know suffered some type of fatal

1:00:39

accident most likely

1:00:41

would be found relatively quickly

1:00:43

and we know this or stereo good

1:00:45

for you now on the other hand

1:00:47

some people have asked the question what

1:00:50

is tyron suffered an accident

1:00:53

wow under the supervision of an adult

1:00:56

and that a dull needed to cover

1:00:58

it up that could possibly

1:01:01

explain why his body has not

1:01:03

been recovered we've seen cases

1:01:05

like that in the past we have any

1:01:07

big you have to talk about the stranger

1:01:09

abduction now you

1:01:11

do have to talk about it in the context

1:01:14

of no one scene

1:01:17

higher and leave nobody

1:01:19

seeing anybody else with him

1:01:22

in two thousand and ten the school

1:01:24

was a real strict apparently

1:01:26

about enforcing the use of visitor badges

1:01:30

it was also reported that the world nine

1:01:32

on locked doors at the school which is a

1:01:34

lot it's a lot it's also allowed

1:01:37

pretty much any one off the street the

1:01:39

access the building our noses

1:01:42

the you have the allegations made by

1:01:44

terry tyron was

1:01:46

abducted by this guy driving the white

1:01:49

pick up it again as

1:01:51

we talked about with terry

1:01:53

there's there's no evidence to back

1:01:55

that up then you have terry's

1:01:58

friend dd and the can looting

1:02:00

accounts of her movements one

1:02:02

the morning kiruna went missing

1:02:05

dd claims she never left her gardening

1:02:07

job but others have said that she

1:02:09

was missing for about ninety min

1:02:13

the women of add no contact since

1:02:15

two thousand and ten harry told

1:02:17

dr phil that this was on the recommendation

1:02:20

of both of their a turn the

1:02:22

here's the thing gibbs there's really nothing

1:02:25

to suggest he

1:02:28

was in but release from an evidentiary

1:02:31

stand if you got the

1:02:33

women who are close friends and both of them the

1:02:35

publicly stated that neither of

1:02:37

them were involved then it's i there

1:02:40

be no further contact given the circumstances

1:02:43

yeah and i i understand what you're saying

1:02:45

obviously the police look at with

1:02:48

and maybe so are looking at both of these

1:02:50

women they both lawyered

1:02:53

up in their attorneys recommended that

1:02:55

they have no contact okay not

1:02:57

sure why we don't have that information

1:03:01

maybe they were playing it safe or

1:03:03

i don't know

1:03:05

i'm big on what do what your turn he says to

1:03:07

seems like you know he didn't have

1:03:09

anything wrong the do

1:03:10

live your or life and your friends or your friends

1:03:14

i don't know neither one of us have ever been

1:03:16

under scrutiny a disappearance

1:03:18

investigation so maybe we with act

1:03:20

a little differently probably you and i would have

1:03:22

to distance ourselves i mean i don't know

1:03:25

i think the bottom line we know law

1:03:27

enforcement is most closely focus

1:03:29

on terry i'm hoping jersey doubt about

1:03:32

that harry was in a new

1:03:34

addition to the family he'd

1:03:36

helped raise kiruna since he was

1:03:38

born we talked about

1:03:40

some of keynes criticisms of tears

1:03:42

parenting or alcohol

1:03:44

dependency the racy text

1:03:47

messages and photos that she

1:03:49

sent to his friend following

1:03:51

tyrants disappearance they don't

1:03:53

see my he string we odd behavior

1:03:56

right in the context

1:03:58

of your step son

1:04:00

has just gone missing the

1:04:03

am okay you're having

1:04:06

difficulties in your marriage may be

1:04:08

but you're still insert

1:04:11

mode to right you're not in

1:04:13

let's start sex thing and send

1:04:15

racy hicks there

1:04:18

we bad judgment at the very

1:04:20

least raise any and you could

1:04:22

do it simply is that then

1:04:25

i don't think people do i think people

1:04:27

look at all these things they put

1:04:29

all of them together and say

1:04:32

something's that way given

1:04:34

all that authorities haven't formally

1:04:37

named any one is the sauce back to

1:04:39

really even a person of interest kane

1:04:41

has alleged terry is responsible

1:04:44

for tires disappearance as

1:04:46

maybe of way to get back at him

1:04:48

somehow kane also

1:04:51

the has stated that he thinks terry

1:04:53

may have had help from someone else

1:04:55

though he's not sure who we've

1:04:58

talked about desert she's

1:05:00

been the unwavering

1:05:02

pretty much from jump street in

1:05:05

her believe the terrorism ball i

1:05:07

definitely want to stresses we

1:05:09

have all these things that may

1:05:11

indicate here he is made

1:05:14

poor choices will have says

1:05:16

and judgment then there

1:05:18

are a ton of people who believe

1:05:21

she most likely had something to do

1:05:23

with sirens disappearance the

1:05:25

problem is a case against her

1:05:28

is circumstantial at bat officer

1:05:32

it it was and they would have charged

1:05:34

they would have if they had anything

1:05:36

they would have just one

1:05:38

of the legacies that came out of

1:05:40

tyrants case is an overhaul of school

1:05:43

security measures throughout portland

1:05:46

these days any visitors the skyline

1:05:48

elementary can only access

1:05:50

the building through one online

1:05:53

toward the front the required to sign

1:05:55

in oh elementary schools

1:05:57

rob portman have indoor and outdoor

1:05:59

so they want cameras installed the

1:06:02

reading this is starting

1:06:04

to be calm or maybe now by this

1:06:06

point has become the norm

1:06:09

i know when my kids

1:06:11

were and like middle school it

1:06:13

was like fort knox mean you

1:06:15

had to be buzz then to

1:06:17

one door yeah and then be

1:06:19

let in a second door like

1:06:22

a public debate the naryn

1:06:25

you know looking out for bank robber mode

1:06:27

right but to me those

1:06:29

are good that the we should not

1:06:32

be allowing people to just roam

1:06:35

really the whole

1:06:37

the schools were or

1:06:39

children attend to be a safe haven but

1:06:41

it's like everything else we talk about gibbs

1:06:43

right the take something

1:06:46

horrible yeah some times

1:06:49

who put the thorn in someone's head that

1:06:51

we need to do at rice time for change

1:06:53

yes and i mean it's sad

1:06:55

but it's just kind of the way that of words

1:06:58

if we could be proactive all

1:07:00

the time that would be great but

1:07:03

you can't think of everything the

1:07:05

van all bad

1:07:07

things from her the even with

1:07:09

all the security measures in place

1:07:11

it's not going to stop every

1:07:14

bad thing from happen in june

1:07:16

two thousand and nineteen ray

1:07:18

told the oregonian that police

1:07:21

it narrowed down their search area to

1:07:23

about one hundred acres that's

1:07:26

roughly seventy six football

1:07:28

fields so a lot of

1:07:30

our area to cover it is but

1:07:33

she didn't reveal or couldn't reveal

1:07:35

where they were searching specifically

1:07:38

on the eleventh anniversary of

1:07:40

sirens disappearance and two thousand

1:07:43

twenty one three posted

1:07:45

a message to social media criticizing

1:07:48

multnomah county law enforcement

1:07:50

she said things are too quiet this

1:07:53

is not acceptable and

1:07:55

i will be taking it to their doorstep there's

1:07:57

or a continues to organize her own friday

1:08:00

searches for tyron harry

1:08:02

has since remarried though

1:08:04

you know she's moved on with her life

1:08:07

but i imagine

1:08:09

that she still has this all

1:08:12

this stuff hanging over her head yeah

1:08:15

i'm telling you when you search his case online

1:08:18

the vast majority of people

1:08:20

who comment or who have really looked

1:08:22

into this case we've

1:08:25

that he either had

1:08:27

something to do with sirens disappearance

1:08:29

or she knows what really

1:08:32

happened price then i

1:08:34

think there there's no way around

1:08:37

that know whether she did or not i don't know

1:08:39

i what i'm saying that's

1:08:41

what most people believe the assumption is see

1:08:44

know something yes the and or

1:08:46

did something or exact if

1:08:48

you have any information on the disappearance

1:08:51

of tyron you can contact

1:08:53

the mold know my county sheriff's office

1:08:55

in oregon the five zero

1:08:57

three the two three

1:08:59

three three three three four the

1:09:01

local tip line at five zero three

1:09:04

two six one two eight four

1:09:06

seven the

1:09:07

you can also submit an anonymous

1:09:09

tip online at tips docs

1:09:12

the f b i dot gov the

1:09:14

good that's it for our episode

1:09:16

on siren for men it's

1:09:19

a case you know like you said

1:09:21

in the beginning it's very well

1:09:23

known yeah it's a big case

1:09:25

it's a case of i knew we would cover

1:09:28

on unsolved that some point it's

1:09:30

also a very perplexing

1:09:32

case in that really

1:09:35

most of everything

1:09:38

that is now i know wins

1:09:40

in one direction the

1:09:43

you'd you'd have to say that italy

1:09:45

italy's from the outside looking year

1:09:47

yeah you know circumstantially

1:09:49

points to one

1:09:52

direction where's that

1:09:54

smoking gun where's that the

1:09:57

piece of evidence that the

1:09:59

plastic uttar could present to

1:10:01

a jury it hasn't been uncovered

1:10:04

and will we be uncovered

1:10:07

i don't know that i see

1:10:09

the stages and now they

1:10:12

need more pieces to the puzzle the

1:10:14

move for yeah i agree with

1:10:16

i know i don't think there's any disputing

1:10:19

nesn i i did find it interesting

1:10:21

that you know deseret made that

1:10:23

pose to said something big

1:10:26

is common no

1:10:28

idea what she was referring to

1:10:30

now it's been a while ago couple years

1:10:32

so either she thought something

1:10:34

was coming and a didn't materialize

1:10:37

or the other still working

1:10:39

on it

1:10:40

family do right yeah i'm as it takes

1:10:42

a while to it would bring something

1:10:44

for

1:10:45

yeah but you're this the case that you would

1:10:47

love to see soft sure kerry

1:10:50

was involved then she deserves

1:10:52

to face justice if

1:10:54

she was not involved in any way

1:10:57

let's say was a stranger sure i'm just throwing

1:10:59

out the thing then her

1:11:01

name would be cleared should

1:11:04

be free to liberalize yeah td

1:11:06

would most likely you know feel

1:11:08

free or she's got a cloud a

1:11:11

little bit hang over her head based

1:11:13

on people suspicions and and things

1:11:15

like that i know was so many people

1:11:18

keeping an eye on this so

1:11:20

many tips that of come in there

1:11:22

is a great fascination with this case

1:11:25

and so many people really

1:11:28

really want to you

1:11:31

see the the case solved or

1:11:33

fire and sound or

1:11:36

just know what happened then

1:11:38

maybe one day we'll we'll get them as

1:11:40

also we get some voicemail zoo and check

1:11:42

those out this year

1:11:44

hillary and eight i'm from illinois iowa

1:11:47

eyre are

1:11:49

there i think it's help her last name

1:11:51

on on on top and

1:11:53

new rochelle how are

1:11:56

made herself shoe bombers

1:11:58

and body at the same time and why

1:12:00

rubber advertised as they were a few

1:12:02

bullets from fifty times or understand

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know that they enter the body exactly the same

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time right that that part i still can't

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wrap my head around because it was written

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on episode one , is

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two hundred of podcast is where the

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well thank you for the voice mail well always trying to get

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more story telling out of gabby

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about the i know

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the i grew up in the same area

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and i know you the five a little

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bit older than years yeah

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have come the late different

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accents i'm just wondering

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like the different time zone

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are out there aren't that much

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difference or what because

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it's sales today that

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navy he was raised on a farm

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that's right or well he gets

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resolved he all but you're not talking to me

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you like your buddies of mine the

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we're talking to you see we are buddies

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so this one i

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thought was a great voicemail we actually get this

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a lot and it's

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funny because the place

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where i grew up was very small

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yeah who's actually of village it

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didn't become a town and to add on

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number how old i was you said a few people

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neville as yeah i was people is those

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people it was very rural a

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lot of my friends raised hogs

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and chickens and for i showed him

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often for aids and stuff like that

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so if it were actually the opposite

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really are is far as how we

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were raised the how we got our accents

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i don't know you know because

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we were raised what twenty

1:16:53

twenty five minutes away from each other and i

1:16:55

was raised more and more and me

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a little farther south yeah so figure

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that out i don't know if he comes down

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to or my ah that

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side of his family since they were all born

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and raised and i the

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not into but half of my family

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was from a smaller in manchester

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kentucky and the other half is from

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the followed tennessee so no i

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don't however as you more the me for sure they

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don't know how that were so i thought

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that was interesting i know why people find

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i they're mike and gibby a

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my name's kirsten johnson and i'm from

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, wanted to

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say that a really really love your podcasts

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i listen to them every

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much every day i go for

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i wanted to give

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you my age little bit of

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word interesting

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had the voicemail on t

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cat

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this week there was somewhat similar

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on in the episode

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to teach i feel like lately

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i've switched to interesting i'm

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saying that yeah the one thing i can

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say is how you're actually supposed

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